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| 02:08:05 | JdGordon| | AlexP: bugger! I actually thought/hoped/(preyed) that crash was fixed... |
| 02:08:22 | JdGordon| | if I get time I'll take an axe to that code and fix it good and proper |
| 02:08:30 | JdGordon| | (for hacky definitions of proper) |
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| 02:57:17 | shuffle2 | there's a way to make logf display current time or ticks, right? i saw it somewhere... |
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| 03:16:13 | shuffle2 | ehm anyways. how can i get accurate ms time? |
| 03:21:29 | JdGordon| | current_tick is really the closest you can get... the time from the rtc is 1s resolution isnt it? |
| 03:24:28 | shuffle2 | about rtc: yes |
| 03:25:07 | shuffle2 | i couldn't really tell if current_tick was more accurate or just some timer the kernel updated when it felt like (although that would be counter-intuitive :p) |
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| 03:49:55 | ToHellWithGA | i did not see on the iPod FAQ if support for peripherals was possible |
| 03:50:23 | ToHellWithGA | i would like to use the dock and remote i own to control my 5.5G iPod with rockbox |
| 03:52:13 | JdGordon| | some work |
| 03:54:45 | ToHellWithGA | i guess i cannot know until i try :) |
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| 04:00:16 | shuffle2 | so is there any resolution assigned to the current_tick value? |
| 04:00:32 | shuffle2 | it only increases by one in the period i'm interested in |
| 04:00:47 | shuffle2 | which covers a few logf()s, so it must be pretty long |
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| 04:29:23 | froggyman | is the fuze v2 suppose to have USB stack enabled on current SVN? |
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| 04:32:35 | Flash10 | Whats the link to be voiced here? |
| 04:33:48 | JdGordon| | why do you think you need to be voiced? |
| 04:33:50 | dr_kludge | anyone know what "Undefined instruction at 0002B02C (0)" is trying to tell me with rb 3.4 running on an ipod 3g? |
| 04:34:12 | JdGordon| | no, but you really shold be on at least 3.6 |
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| 04:35:07 | dr_kludge | JdGordon|: tried it after 3.4 started falling down. after install, it reboots, flashes the rb usb logo, then reboots into apple disk mode. |
| 04:35:39 | NickHansonNet | try to reinstall it |
| 04:35:45 | NickHansonNet | Rockbox) |
| 04:36:05 | dr_kludge | did. |
| 04:36:15 | NickHansonNet | Restore it with iTunes? |
| 04:36:19 | dr_kludge | yep. |
| 04:36:27 | dr_kludge | i only hit irc when i'm fresh out of ideas ;) |
| 04:36:36 | NickHansonNet | Whats the error code? |
| 04:37:05 | dr_kludge | "Undefined instruction at 0002B02C (0)" |
| 04:37:30 | NickHansonNet | btw did you reinstall the boot loader |
| 04:37:55 | dr_kludge | i think i did. |
| 04:38:04 | dr_kludge | but i'll try again. nothing to lose at this point. |
| 04:38:05 | NickHansonNet | whats the ipod model? |
| 04:38:09 | dr_kludge | 3g |
| 04:38:12 | dr_kludge | it was a freebie. |
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| 04:38:31 | NickHansonNet | nano? |
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| 04:39:45 | dr_kludge | nah. straight-up, old-school 3g. |
| 04:40:44 | NickHansonNet | dr_kludge, try to submit your error code herehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
| 04:41:06 | NickHansonNet | I have to go |
| 04:41:24 | JdGordon| | no dont do that |
| 04:41:30 | NickHansonNet | ? |
| 04:41:33 | JdGordon| | that number is totally useless on such an old build |
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| 04:43:15 | dr_kludge | JdGordon|: any suggestions? |
| 04:45:17 | JdGordon| | reinstall the bootloader, reinstall the full rockbox.zip |
| 04:47:28 | dr_kludge | is a restore necessary to clean house first? |
| 04:48:10 | JdGordon| | it might help |
| 04:49:02 | dr_kludge | done and done. |
| 04:49:08 | dr_kludge | same result. |
| 04:50:23 | dr_kludge | hmmm... wait a second. lemme try that with the new ipodpatcher. |
| 04:50:34 | * | dr_kludge grumbles at itself |
| 04:53:23 | dr_kludge | ...and i get the same shit as before. |
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| 05:25:20 | Eson_38 | someone can helpme i have iriver h340 and i want to install rockbox |
| 05:25:33 | Eson_38 | if someone can talk in spanish will be great |
| 05:25:36 | Eson_38 | gracias |
| 05:26:38 | BHSPitMonkey | Eson_38: use the installer? |
| 05:26:52 | BHSPitMonkey | la installador... |
| 05:27:15 | Eson_38 | i tried, but say that i need the original firmware to can change it |
| 05:27:42 | Eson_38 | but this one come with the version 2.4 |
| 05:28:07 | Eson_38 | i guess the originas it's ver 1.04 |
| 05:32:10 | JdGordon| | the instructions shuold tell you where to get the origional firmawre file |
| 05:32:18 | JdGordon| | the version doesnt really matter |
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| 05:33:29 | Eson_38 | well, if the version doesnt matter i will try one more time, i hope this time can do it |
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| 06:02:48 | dr_kludge | can anyone tell me why rockbox running on an ipod 3g (old-school, not nano) would think it's connected to usb when it most definitely is not? |
| 06:02:58 | dr_kludge | (versions 3.5.1 and 3.6) |
| 06:03:27 | funman | dr_kludge: does it happen with a current build? |
| 06:03:38 | dr_kludge | errr... other than 3.6? |
| 06:04:19 | funman | 3.6 is the last release, current builds are built with the last source code available (changes everyday), look at the top left of the website |
| 06:04:33 | JdGordon| | AlexP: hmm, your crash is a new one! I need to investigate properly but I dont have any idea why it should crash there, at that point the sbs has loaded (either yours or the fallback one) |
| 06:05:24 | dr_kludge | funman: i c. let's try. gimme a minute. |
| 06:06:46 | dr_kludge | funman: yes. until this morning, it was happily running 3.4. then i tried turning it on after the battery died and 3.4 threw "Undefined instruction at 0002B02C (0)" at me. |
| 06:07:01 | dr_kludge | so i tried upgrading. |
| 06:07:25 | dr_kludge | \ |
| 06:08:33 | dr_kludge | so, yeah, current build, same behavior. |
| 06:09:05 | krazykit | does it happen in the OF? |
| 06:10:26 | dr_kludge | krazykit: nope. the apple fw seems to work just fine. i haven't tried loading any music on it, but it boots cleanly and the menus work. |
| 06:12:01 | funman | i know charging on ipod is special but don't know the details; you might wait until Torne is here, he's the ipod expert |
| 06:12:37 | dr_kludge | hrm. i gotta be off to bed, but i'll check in another time. thanks! |
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| 06:38:18 | Gatz85 | shuffle2, hey i wanted to let you know thank you for that patch i think i might be able to get it to work and i start git-hub just for thank you again |
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| 06:55:32 | funman | btw did doom fans on fuzev1 try a thumb build to see if it reduces memory use? |
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| 07:35:46 | funman | n1s: please take a look at FS #11608 |
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| 07:46:27 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28092): usb_drv_reset() is only used in usb-drv-arc.c ... |
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| 07:49:14 | CIA-81 | r28092 build result: All green |
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| 07:54:38 | funman | what's going on with mpiohd? |
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| 07:56:05 | JdGordon| | looks like builds.pm wasnt updated |
| 07:56:12 | JdGordon| | (I tinhk that is the filename) |
| 07:56:41 | JdGordon| | umm... |
| 07:57:04 | funman | i just checked and it looks ok |
| 07:57:30 | JdGordon| | yeah, I just saw that diff... not sure.. wait for Zagor i guess |
| 07:58:01 | funman | www/buildserver/builds looks ok too |
| 07:58:37 | JdGordon| | does that file get updated on the server automagically thoguh? |
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| 08:37:26 | rfid3 | Hi. |
| 08:38:10 | rfid3 | I was wondering if there is a patch or something similar that will allow my iPod running Rockbox to NOT show the USB cable icon and stop playback when connected to USB? |
| 08:38:48 | rfid3 | I know holding the menu button down does what I want, but it would be nice to have an option that kept it playing |
| 08:38:56 | rfid3 | it = the music |
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| 08:42:18 | JdGordon| | nope, not yet anyway |
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| 08:44:28 | wodz | rfid3: you can't at the same time have usb access and music playback |
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| 08:44:42 | rfid3 | wodz, I only want it to charge |
| 08:45:32 | wodz | ok, but this is why pluging usb stops playback |
| 08:46:13 | rfid3 | it's because the ciggarette lighter connections in my car are lame and short out at times (bumps, some turns, etc), making the iPod stop playback and display the USB icon |
| 08:46:20 | JdGordon| | there have been a few attempted patches at making the usb connection behaviour configurable, but bassiclly noone has come up with a good way to do it that everyone can accept |
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| 08:47:09 | rfid3 | TheSeven, you really need MD5 hashes on your website for the iLoader, etc. downloads |
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| 08:47:46 | rfid3 | just fyi :) lol |
| 08:49:27 | rfid3 | TheSeven, I say this because I attempted to update from 1.x to 2.2 and the update process froze at about halfway through removing the iPod firmware partition. |
| 08:49:47 | rfid3 | I left it for 2 hours... nothing happened. |
| 08:50:00 | TheSeven | that wouldn't have been prevented by an md5 hash |
| 08:50:11 | TheSeven | it means that your ipod apparently had file system corruption |
| 08:50:17 | TheSeven | (a directory loop or something) |
| 08:50:17 | rfid3 | ahh |
| 08:50:47 | rfid3 | well I updated, so does that mean it's fixed? |
| 08:50:59 | TheSeven | at least apparently something made it lock up while attempting to resize the fat32 partition, which consists mostly of changing directory entries |
| 08:51:03 | wodz | after upgrade from (x)ubuntu 8.04LTS -> 10.04LTS usb handling on my thinkpad is screwed up to the point that I am not able to do any serious rockbox development as I am unable to test my changes on targets :/ |
| 08:51:21 | TheSeven | if it froze during the repartitioning process, your fat32 partition is probably damaged now |
| 08:51:34 | rfid3 | lol but it's just a partiton |
| 08:51:37 | TheSeven | but i think iloader-related things should better be discussed at #freemyipod |
| 08:51:51 | TheSeven | and honestly i don't really have time to deal with that right now |
| 08:52:05 | TheSeven | let's figure this out later today |
| 08:52:25 | rfid3 | bleh alright. I'll see how it goes, and if it seems to be having problems I'll drop by #freemyipod |
| 08:52:28 | JdGordon| | wodz: ouch! |
| 08:52:44 | rfid3 | Thanks for iLoader though, TheSeven :) |
| 08:52:51 | rfid3 | great work |
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| 09:15:05 | AlexP | JdGordon|: Always glad to find a new way to break things :) |
| 09:15:10 | AlexP | Cheers for looking at it |
| 09:15:47 | AlexP | It may well be my sbs of course (although it worked with a version a few weeks ago), but still Rockbox should reject it not freeze if that is the case I susppose :) |
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| 09:21:33 | JdGordon| | AlexP: I'm of the general opinion that even if things break, they shouldnt burn the house down :p |
| 09:21:42 | JdGordon| | i.e it shouldnt be crashing even if you really messed up the sbs |
| 09:22:01 | AlexP | yeah, exactly :) |
| 09:22:45 | JdGordon| | although it did lead to some awesome displays when the sbs doesnt load and the wps backdrop is partially displayed |
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| 09:55:11 | Torne | funman: unfortunately the 3g is the funky one we don't know how to manage properly - it doesn't charge from usb and we don't implement usb on it either |
| 09:56:07 | funman | Zagor: editing commit logs isnt possible atm |
| 09:56:45 | Zagor | ok. the hook appears to allow it. |
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| 10:01:05 | funman | % svn pe svn:log −−revprop -r 28078 svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk |
| 10:01:05 | funman | svn: Repository has not been enabled to accept revision propchanges; |
| 10:01:05 | funman | ask the administrator to create a pre-revprop-change hook |
| 10:02:20 | Zagor | oh, silly me. only the hook template exists. |
| 10:03:08 | Zagor | try now |
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| 10:04:28 | funman | Set new value for property 'svn:log' on revision 28078 |
| 10:05:01 | funman | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=28078 <- it's the new msg |
| 10:05:02 | funman | thanks! |
| 10:05:21 | JdGordon| | :< |
| 10:05:27 | Zagor | I'll set up a mail trigger for that too, so we have traces |
| 10:05:44 | JdGordon| | funman: it wasnt a typo anyway |
| 10:05:45 | funman | good idea, will that need changes to buildsystem too? |
| 10:05:51 | JdGordon| | it was a copy/paste snafu |
| 10:05:54 | funman | JdGordon|: ah sorry. feel free to edit ;) |
| 10:06:30 | Zagor | funman: no, log changes doesn't trigger new builds |
| 10:06:31 | funman | btw, git isn't updated, perhaps it's possible to use some magic commands to do that |
| 10:07:23 | Zagor | good question. git rebase doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 10:07:52 | Torne | well, it has no way of knowing, the commit is old |
| 10:08:03 | Torne | you probably have to throw away the history and pull again :) |
| 10:08:24 | funman | yeah right, history is only stored on the server so svn checkouts don't need update either |
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| 10:12:03 | wodz | Zagor: something is still wrong with hd200 build - maybe some file needs to be updated on www |
| 10:12:52 | funman | wodz: what's going on with Ubuntu 10.4 usb? |
| 10:13:28 | Zagor | wodz: hmm, checking |
| 10:16:38 | wodz | 1) For most of the time mpio hd200 doesn't even trigger usb plug event - not even single line in dmesg. If it is detected it mostly works ok. I can't see the pattern when it is detected. It doesn't matter if I use OF or rb bootloader or rb itself. 2) My ipod mini is detected ok but I am unable to transfer files to it. Sometimes it transfer 1-2 files ok and transfer freeze. After couple of minutes I have timeout/resets lines in dmesg. I checked t |
| 10:16:38 | wodz | his devices on other machines and both work ok. |
| 10:17:13 | wodz | as with mpio it doesn't matter if I use rb or apple emergency disk mode |
| 10:17:27 | funman | did you try to force full speed? (rmmod ehci_hcd maybe) |
| 10:18:06 | wodz | it seems that ubuntu decided to build ehci stright into kernel |
| 10:18:41 | funman | ah right, same here |
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| 10:19:01 | wodz | I tried recent fedora live cd and symptoms are the same - so I suspect there were some changes to usb handling in recent kernels |
| 10:19:28 | gevaerts | What kernel version is that? |
| 10:19:45 | funman | 2.6.32 presumably |
| 10:20:03 | gevaerts | I've been running 2.6.32 here for ages |
| 10:20:16 | wodz | 3) using build in SD reader exibits similar behaviour - card is either not detected or transfers fail at various stages |
| 10:20:19 | wodz | 2.6.32-25-generic |
| 10:20:28 | funman | 2.6.35 (ubuntu 10.10) also has CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y (not m) |
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| 10:22:24 | wodz | ohh I got new state - waiting long enough I *got* something in dmesg - hub_port_status failed (err = -32) |
| 10:23:03 | funman | i got that when playing with (buggy) usb for amsv2. the solution is rmmod ehci_hcd; modprobe ehci_hcd :/ |
| 10:23:40 | wodz | the problem is uncommon as google do not throw 1000000000 pages about usb problems on r61 or ubuntu 10.04 |
| 10:23:42 | JdGordon| | I used to get that alot also |
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| 10:25:31 | wodz | usb camera, 2 of my pendrives, toshiba external HDD all work ok |
| 10:28:10 | wodz | the only thing I can think about is that since I had some problems with booting from pendrive I updated bios (as description of update states that this solves problem with usb booting). But I don't know if this was before or after ubuntu upgrade |
| 10:28:53 | funman | maybe try debian testing kernel |
| 10:29:37 | wodz | this is what I get If I wait long enough http://www.pastie.org/1162355 |
| 10:31:04 | * | funman has a strong déjà vu |
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| 10:31:23 | funman | i see this if clipv2 PHY clock is set incorrectly |
| 10:32:11 | wodz | mpio have hardware usb-ide bridge - the chip is know to work on linux (but with some quirks) |
| 10:32:50 | wodz | to me it looks like usb controller is entering some powersaving state or something |
| 10:33:28 | wodz | the problem is that machine stops booting with acpi=off so I can't check this hypothesis |
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| 10:41:35 | kugel | git probably won't see the new commit message even with a new clone. IIUC the new message is stored in the revprops, unlike the original message. and git-svn doesn't really supprt rev props |
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| 10:43:14 | JdGord | We should move to gut then! |
| 10:43:23 | JdGord | Git |
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| 10:46:58 | funman | i should have made this politcal promise for rsb vote: "I will get us rid of subversion!!" |
| 10:47:18 | AlexP | heh, we have campaigning now? :) |
| 10:49:10 | * | JdGord gives all 5 votes to funman |
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| 10:51:04 | wodz | funman: do You experience high load from events/0,1 kernel proceses also? |
| 10:51:46 | funman | wodz: nope, this laptop is running Debian btw (i have ubuntu 10.10 on desktop but it seems to work fine here) |
| 10:54:19 | wodz | I am really out of ideas :/ |
| 10:55:22 | amiconn | Torne: We do implement usb detection on G3 though, in order to reboot into the OF |
| 10:57:00 | amiconn | funman: Does the nano G2 usb code not differentiate between usb charger and actual host? |
| 10:57:13 | amiconn | (re rfid3's problem) |
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| 10:58:55 | funman | did pamaury post a patch for USB audio on flyspray? i can't find it |
| 10:59:10 | funman | fs#11108 |
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| 11:06:37 | wodz | There ware some talk about including png in core - was there any consensus? |
| 11:06:49 | wodz | s/png/png support/ |
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| 12:32:26 | Stummi | hm, does somebody know an gameboy-emulator which can handle the savefiles from gnu-/rockboy and can emulate a gamelink between two instances or so? |
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| 12:47:50 | soap | Stummi, there has been recent talk about just such a thing on the forums. Not being a GameBoy player myself, however, the details escape me. |
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| 12:51:33 | Stummi | soap, hm, i can find some rockboy-topics with search, bot no one, that realy fits to my question. Do you have a link for me? |
| 12:52:26 | Stummi | ah, found something now |
| 12:52:47 | soap | Nope, but the concept of copying rockboy games to a PC-side emulator (for "cheating") and then back was discussed VERY recently. |
| 12:53:28 | Stummi | yes, that was what i found now |
| 12:54:18 | Stummi | so, my dream of becoming pokemon master is not destroyed yet :) |
| 12:58:21 | Stummi | btw, i hacked a playback-control into the menu of rockboy now. It works fine for me for volume control, but i can crash the game by trying to play a song over this menu (sansa fuze v2 has not enought RAM for both, rockboy and playing.) |
| 12:59:11 | Stummi | I hoped using a standalone volume-control instead is as easy as with the playback-control, but that dont seems so. (And my C skills are not very good) |
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| 13:01:00 | pixelma | you mean controlling the ingame sound's volume? |
| 13:01:08 | Stummi | yes |
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| 13:05:07 | wodz | Torne: (for logs) I hit ipod startup issue with r2807 and with some slightly earlier version a few times recently (mini 1G). I haven't seen this problem for ages. |
| 13:06:02 | pixelma | wodz: your revision number is missing a digit (just for accuracy) |
| 13:08:00 | wodz | yeh : r28072 |
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| 13:37:09 | Torne | wodz: yes, it's not fixed |
| 13:37:18 | Torne | wodz: but there's nothing else I can do, really... |
| 13:39:34 | Torne | there's the two optoins for a fix: one of them doesn't work on every device, and one of them doesn't work on every device *and* causes weird cosmetic issues on shutdown *and* causes some people's devices to spontaneously wake up for no reason |
| 13:39:34 | Torne | unless someone works out a third thing to do, there's nothing we can really do about it |
| 13:39:34 | wodz | the point is that while it is not fixed I haven't seen this for very long and now, after upgrade I hit it 4 times within 3 days |
| 13:39:34 | Torne | right, but there's no way i can draw a useful conclusion from that |
| 13:39:34 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Torne |
| 13:39:34 | Torne | it's, probably, something about the state of ram, and/or the state of some other mystery things :) |
| 13:39:35 | Torne | and i'm explicitly clearing most of the iram on shutdown.. |
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| 13:39:54 | Torne | so, i don't think we can narrow this down by any method other than painstaking reversing of the boot code.. |
| 13:40:03 | Torne | which i did for a while but man is that stuff boring |
| 13:40:05 | Torne | :) |
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| 13:41:03 | Torne | soo yeah, not only do i not know how to fix it i don't really know how to work out how to fix it either :) |
| 13:41:48 | wodz | you mean disasembly of apple boot code? |
| 13:41:55 | Torne | yes |
| 13:42:12 | wodz | the main problem is lack of documentation imo\ |
| 13:42:25 | wodz | how big is bootcode? |
| 13:42:25 | Torne | i've been disassembling the latest boot code for the ipod video somewhat, but haven't found out anything useful yet |
| 13:42:29 | Torne | Pretty big |
| 13:42:37 | Torne | 30kb or so |
| 13:42:41 | Torne | lemme check |
| 13:42:50 | Torne | and there are, of course, 30+ versions of it |
| 13:42:54 | wodz | comparable to our bootloader |
| 13:42:58 | Torne | since there's two or three or four versions for *every model* |
| 13:43:05 | Torne | and maybe not all of them are broken in the same way |
| 13:43:14 | Torne | which would explain why some people see it more than others, or not at all |
| 13:43:22 | Torne | and why the workarounds work for some people and not others |
| 13:43:45 | Torne | it's also full of dead code and support for hardware that doesn't exist |
| 13:44:01 | Torne | e.g. it detects a PP processor with model number having a 6 in it |
| 13:44:22 | wodz | is it single thread or rtos kernel + boot task? |
| 13:44:30 | Torne | just a single thread. |
| 13:45:09 | Torne | Oh, wait, it's, like, 600kb |
| 13:45:13 | Torne | though some of that is images, or empty space :) |
| 13:45:21 | Torne | it's not 600kb of code, but the code is not all neatly together either |
| 13:45:34 | wodz | I don't know arm asm nor PP unfortunately |
| 13:45:50 | Torne | the boot code is not a seperate "blob", it doesn't have an entry in the flash's image table |
| 13:45:58 | Torne | so you can't tell accurately which parts of the flash are supposed to be considered part of it |
| 13:46:14 | Torne | only diskmode, diagmode, the apple logo and the video chip firmware are seperate images |
| 13:46:18 | wodz | do we know JTAG pinout? |
| 13:46:30 | Torne | no |
| 13:46:34 | Torne | not sure if there even is one |
| 13:46:56 | Torne | disassemblig it is particularly annoying because there's no single set of PP docs anywhere |
| 13:47:05 | Torne | there's the ipodlinux wiki, and there's bits on our wiki, and there's the source for ipl and rockbox |
| 13:47:12 | Torne | and the source for rockbox is the closest to authoritative of all of those |
| 13:47:27 | Torne | the ipodlinux wiki is the part that's most like normal platform documentation but it's also really incomplete and inaccurate in places |
| 13:48:11 | Torne | i found it waaay harder to get anywhere with than the beast's bootcode which i've reversed a lot more of |
| 13:48:18 | Torne | because the imx31 manual is right there on the internet :) |
| 13:48:25 | Torne | and so is the imx31 WinCE baseport |
| 13:48:29 | JdGordon | alex: can you lionk your theme again please? |
| 13:48:31 | Torne | which most of the beast bootcode is compiled from :) |
| 13:48:49 | JdGordon | oh never mind... still in irc backsrcoll |
| 13:48:50 | AlexP | JdGordon: http://aeparker.com/files/CSB.7z |
| 13:49:00 | AlexP | oh, that's a bit big |
| 13:49:02 | JdGordon | beast right? |
| 13:49:08 | AlexP | It seems I forgot to remove the fonts :) |
| 13:49:12 | AlexP | yep, beast |
| 13:49:33 | wodz | yeh putting togeteher all information about PP would be helpful but it rather boring task |
| 13:50:04 | Torne | wodz: well yes, actually writing a homebrew PP manual would be really useful |
| 13:50:14 | Torne | but the people with the skills *and* patience to do that kind of thing are really, really rare |
| 13:50:31 | Torne | we need to kidnap martin korth and make him do it |
| 13:50:45 | Torne | http://nocash.emubase.de/gbatek.htm <- best reverse engineered manual for undocumented hardware ever |
| 13:51:53 | wodz | hmm we know something about jtag in PP http://www.mail-archive.com/rockbox-dev@cool.haxx.se/msg02049.html |
| 13:53:26 | Torne | well yes but that doesn' tmean those lines are even connected on the ipod |
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| 14:00:34 | JdGordon | AlexP: what on earth have you done! |
| 14:00:44 | AlexP | no idea :) |
| 14:00:47 | JdGordon | you didnt say the sbs partially gets displayed |
| 14:01:11 | AlexP | The screen goes all sort of patchy then the device freezes :) |
| 14:01:13 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 14:01:13 | * | JdGordon likes interesting bugs |
| 14:01:43 | AlexP | At least you can reproduce :) |
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| 14:33:51 | JdGordon | with the std gnu99 change... would there be obvjections to chaning FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) to allow it do put "int i" in the for loop? |
| 14:34:05 | JdGordon | #define FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) for(i = 0; i < NB_SCREENS; i++) => #define FOR_NB_SCREENS(i) for(int i = 0; i < NB_SCREENS; i++) |
| 14:34:29 | JdGordon | probably add a new one to do it though, and use enum screen_type instead of int |
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| 14:36:53 | Shapeshifter | Hello there. Long time no see. I just dug up my precious iRiver H140 because I want to digitalize some vinyl discs I have. I thought instead of hooking my desktop up using a real long cable and worrying about interferences or ground loops, I'll just use this device as I think the sound chip is really good. Now, has anyone got specific tips or watch-out-fors when using the H140 with rockbox for recording? I just did a test recording ... |
| 14:36:59 | Shapeshifter | ... and the lower tones seem quite lacking. I'm recording as WAV, yet the sound played directly from vinyl seems better than playing back what I record back to the amp. |
| 14:37:41 | Shapeshifter | And I'm unsure about how loud I should set the amp. I've set the V options for left and right to 0 and instead turned up the amp louder, thinking that that should give me a wider dynamic range, right? |
| 14:38:18 | * | JdGordon prods petur incase he isnt watching... ^ |
| 14:38:21 | Shapeshifter | Neither do I know what to do with the volume option on the device it self. Turning it all the way up or down? |
| 14:38:31 | * | petur wakes up |
| 14:40:07 | petur | Rockbox takes the bytes from the ADC and puts them in the file, no processing is done. So lack of bass must be a hardware problem |
| 14:40:33 | petur | the volume option is the volume of the earphones you can use to monitor |
| 14:41:17 | petur | if you listen to the headphones, is there also a lack of bass? |
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| 14:43:14 | Shapeshifter | petur: yeah at least I perceive it as such. Turning up the bass fixes it mostly. What should I do with the V options for left and right channels? |
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| 14:44:14 | petur | eh? You have Volume (monitor volume of headphones) and then L and R gain, which is your recording gain. Keep gain below 20dB to reduce noise |
| 14:44:52 | Shapeshifter | okay, but I shouldn't set the gain to 0? I mean, what is the gain for? I can just turn up the volume on the amplifier. |
| 14:45:09 | petur | yeah, in that case set gain to 0 |
| 14:45:29 | petur | what output do you use on the amp? |
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| 14:50:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: did you see the patch i added to one of your skin bugs? |
| 14:51:26 | pixelma | hmm no, I should have gotten a mail from flyspray but didn't yet |
| 14:51:39 | * | pixelma needs to check something |
| 14:51:44 | Shapeshifter | petur: The phono output. On the back of the amp, there also are 3x "REC" and "PLAY" red/white type plugs for "DAT/TAPE", not sure if I could use one of those. |
| 14:53:00 | Shapeshifter | petur: http://images.kupujemprodajem.com/photos/oglasi/1/1/273601/big-273601_603100088_4_Big.jpg this is the back of my amp |
| 14:53:08 | Shapeshifter | well not mine, but I got the same one. |
| 14:54:57 | petur | phono is normally an input... |
| 14:55:48 | petur | how about pre-out or one of the REC outputs (PLAY)? |
| 14:56:42 | petur | don't tell me you connected the iriver to the turntable directly, that would explain the lack of bass |
| 14:56:55 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28093): skin engine: completly rework the sbs title handing code ... |
| 14:58:14 | petur | s/REC/TAPE |
| 14:58:27 | Shapeshifter | petur: oh uhm, not "phono", I meant "phones" ;) The 6.35mm TRS plug |
| 14:58:49 | petur | ah... still not good... you need a line-out |
| 14:59:02 | Shapeshifter | I see. I'll try one of the REC outputs... |
| 14:59:35 | petur | the line outputs will be fixed, so you need to adjust gain on the iriver |
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| 15:00:08 | pixelma | weird, I'm watching the task (status is correctly listed) and flyspray has the correct mail address. The comment was added yesterday and even if the mail spent a long time at my provider (which it sometimes does), it shouldn't be that long... :\ |
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| 15:04:44 | * | petur goes to sleep again... ping me if needed :) |
| 15:05:00 | JdGordon | Zagor: build should have finished 5min ago? the propset hook didnt break it did it? |
| 15:05:41 | Shapeshifter | petur: this is much better with the line-out. thanks. Now I'll just need to get rid of this horrible ground loop between turntable and amp. |
| 15:05:42 | AlexP | JdGordon broke the build server! |
| 15:06:02 | gevaerts | Shapeshifter: lots of jump cables will help :) |
| 15:06:28 | Shapeshifter | gevaerts: jump cables? I was thinking of buying a ground loop isolator |
| 15:06:43 | gevaerts | Shapeshifter: jumper, sorry. The ones you use to start cars |
| 15:06:55 | gevaerts | Ideal for making ground issue go away! |
| 15:06:56 | Shapeshifter | seriously? |
| 15:07:18 | gevaerts | If you have some lying arounf, definitely worth a try |
| 15:08:18 | gevaerts | Not that I know much about audio... |
| 15:08:50 | n1s | aren't ground loops basically just from a difference in ground levels? |
| 15:08:51 | Shapeshifter | ground loops.... I don't get why devices aren't built is such a way that they simply don't occur. |
| 15:08:58 | petur | the idea is that if all equipment is grounded properly, there can be no such loop |
| 15:09:18 | n1s | => ground stuff properly :) |
| 15:09:25 | gevaerts | n1s: that's how I understand it, yes. And those jumper cables are the easiest way I know of to get them to go away |
| 15:09:36 | Shapeshifter | the turntable doesn't have a ground wire to the power socket, it's just two-wire. Instead, it has a ground wire going along the audio cable to be attached at the rear of the amp. apparently, this isn't doing a proper job. |
| 15:09:47 | n1s | gevaerts: i agree, seems like a KISS aproach :) |
| 15:10:06 | gevaerts | Shapeshifter: is the amp properly grounded? |
| 15:10:29 | Shapeshifter | But I don't get this whole business anyway, because simply *touching* the audio cable from the turntable to the amp induces an even stronger humm. how can that even be, the cable is wrapped in rubber/plastic |
| 15:10:39 | Shapeshifter | gevaerts: mhh, not sure *goes looking. |
| 15:10:54 | petur | you're a living antenna? |
| 15:10:56 | gevaerts | Shapeshifter: if not, another cable to the nearest water pipe or similar :) |
| 15:11:46 | petur | Shapeshifter: the signal from the turntable is very low, so noise can come to it easily |
| 15:12:31 | * | petur always wondered why turntables didn't come with amp and correctionfilter build-in |
| 15:13:12 | JdGordon | becuase the audio equipment wasnt good enough that you would notice the difference? or the tech was too expensive? |
| 15:13:20 | JdGordon | I assume modern ones do have that |
| 15:13:23 | Shapeshifter | well damn. the amp only is two-wire as well. no grounding wire. I guess I could try to just attach a cable to the amps casing and run it to a radiator... |
| 15:14:20 | Shapeshifter | petur: yes but why does touching the rubber coating of the audio cable make a difference? shouldn't it be insulated? |
| 15:14:54 | * | petur thinks the rest of the conversation really belongs in -community |
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| 15:46:03 | JdGordon | I'm going to bed pretty soon... if the builds ends up colourful can someone fix it? or i'll do it in the morning |
| 15:50:54 | Zagor | oops. Perl error: Illegal division by zero at rbmaster.pl line 1078. |
| 15:55:21 | CIA-81 | r28093 build result: 154 errors, 6 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:55:29 | JdGordon | hu? |
| 15:55:41 | JdGordon | oh bugger |
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| 16:12:23 | AlexP | For the beast, which way round do the tone controls work? The manual lists treble and bass, but the actual thing has 5 band tone control |
| 16:12:55 | AlexP | Can I assume that e.g. band 1 = bass if I don't want to arse around with an equalizer, but just wan't a little more bass? |
| 16:13:23 | n1s | AlexP: think so |
| 16:13:45 | n1s | also could you fiel a bug against the manual as that is clearly wrong :) |
| 16:13:48 | AlexP | It is a little confusing to have what are I assume both hardware and software equalizers |
| 16:14:03 | n1s | yes |
| 16:14:04 | AlexP | n1s: If I find out what they mean I'll just fix it :) |
| 16:14:13 | n1s | awesome :) |
| 16:14:53 | AlexP | Especially as the hardware one defaults to "simple" mode (just change the gain), but software one to expert mode (change everything) |
| 16:15:19 | AlexP | I assume we have both as the software one is more configurable, or finer changes, but the hardware one is "free" |
| 16:15:26 | n1s | the whole UI issue with 2 eq's and no bass/treb was discussed both when it was introduced for the ipod video (although the hw eq didn't actually work there) and when introduced for the beast but no good solution was suggested afaik |
| 16:15:49 | n1s | AlexP: yes, that's basically it |
| 16:15:50 | AlexP | Well yes, I'm struggling to think of one, but it is highly confusing |
| 16:16:38 | soap | recap of the argument against simply having parallel UIs? |
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| 16:45:07 | pixelma | AlexP: are there no seperate bass and treble in the sound settings (no equaliser?). Some targets that also do these in software still have them as they are "cheaper" to process than an eq band |
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| 16:45:12 | pixelma | e.g. the Iaudios |
| 16:45:47 | AlexP | no, the treble and bass are replaced with five gain bands (which are also in hardware, so equally cheap) |
| 16:46:14 | AlexP | So there are two equalisers essentially, one hardware, one software, and no seperate treble/bass |
| 16:46:42 | AlexP | IIUC :) |
| 16:46:51 | pixelma | sounds weird (the fact I mean) |
| 16:47:05 | AlexP | The reason the software eq is still there is that it is more fine grained than the hardware one |
| 16:47:39 | AlexP | well it confused me at first :) |
| 16:48:16 | AlexP | It is a good thing to be able to use all the capabilities of the hardware, but the UI question is an interesting one :) |
| 16:48:55 | soap | I don't fully grok what the UI question is. |
| 16:49:31 | AlexP | soap: Just that it is confusing to have what seems to be two equalisers, with no indication of the difference |
| 16:49:45 | AlexP | Also, why does one have a graphical way of setting it and the other not? |
| 16:50:26 | AlexP | And why does one default to letting you just change gain with an advanced menu to change width etc., while the other gives you all options off the bat with a simple menu option to just change gain |
| 16:50:29 | n1s | AlexP: isn't one called hardware EQ or something? |
| 16:50:36 | soap | Ahh, the inconsistency of it. I didn't understand what the trouble was - now I do. |
| 16:50:47 | n1s | also because noone made a graphical interphase for it :) |
| 16:51:04 | AlexP | One is called Tone Controls, the other is called Equalizer |
| 16:51:07 | n1s | anyway bass/treble is a very limited EQ |
| 16:51:59 | AlexP | It jsut isn't clear that e.g. one is hardware the other software |
| 16:52:25 | n1s | oh |
| 16:52:27 | AlexP | It also doesn't help that the manual doesn't have the "tone controls" one, and instead claims that there are treble/bass settings |
| 16:53:04 | AlexP | n1s: If you have two menu items, one called "Tone Controls" and the other "Equalizer", which is hardware? :) |
| 16:53:31 | n1s | AlexP: :) |
| 16:53:54 | AlexP | Especially as the tone controls one then has inside (I was expecting treble/base) "Band 1 Gain", "Band 2 Gain" etc. |
| 16:54:00 | n1s | i never use either of these things so it doesn't really trouble me |
| 16:54:54 | n1s | i don't think theres a way to have all these options and make it obvious what the differences are |
| 16:55:10 | AlexP | No, it is tricky that's for sure |
| 16:55:25 | AlexP | The manual being correct would be a start, I'll do that tonight |
| 16:56:02 | n1s | i think i remember it actually being called hardware EQ at some point, i wonder why it was changede |
| 16:57:43 | n1s | ah, that was the ipod video variant |
| 16:58:40 | n1s | maybe sound settings->EQ->hw and sound settings->EQ->sw |
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| 17:15:22 | preglow | i wish the eq screen contained a switch deciding if the sw or hw eq is to be used |
| 17:15:31 | preglow | i can't see a point in having a separate screen for each |
| 17:15:48 | preglow | or even letting both be active at the same time |
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| 19:13:40 | AlexP | Torne: Do I remember rightly that you implemented the beast tone controls? |
| 19:16:28 | n1s | i think it was jhMikeS |
| 19:16:36 | AlexP | ah right |
| 19:17:03 | AlexP | I'm just after a little explanation of what each item does :) |
| 19:17:36 | AlexP | I guess Band 1 and 5 frequencies are upper and lower bounds respectively |
| 19:17:53 | AlexP | but are frequencies for bands 2-4 centre frequencies? |
| 19:18:44 | AlexP | And then width for bands 2-4 are narrow or wide, do we know/do we want to give an indication to what that means? |
| 19:19:31 | n1s | i would assume the same, the datasheet for the dac should tell you the details :) |
| 19:19:46 | AlexP | damn you! :) |
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| 19:24:35 | AlexP | yes, it is that - starts page 111 of the datasheet |
| 19:24:55 | AlexP | There doesn't look to be a very much difference between wide and narrow if I'm reading it right |
| 19:25:25 | AlexP | I assume EQxBW = 1 or EQxBW = 0 is the width setting |
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| 19:59:06 | * | pamaury tries to resync usb audio but something broke, now the output is weird |
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| 20:14:48 | notlistening | hey bluebrother, how is rbutil comming along these days...? |
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| 20:43:04 | AlexP | n1s: (or anyone else): http://pastie.org/1163357 |
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| 20:46:36 | n1s | looks good to me , maybe s/ potentially// in the introduction? |
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| 20:49:10 | AlexP | n1s: Yeah, I wasn't sure about that - I put potentially as the beast when running slow is still clocked so high I didn't know if the software EQ does actually make any difference :) |
| 20:50:30 | pamaury | fucking usb audio thing !! It doesn't report any underflow but the sound is obviously missing some parts |
| 20:50:31 | n1s | It *does* use more cpu time although it might be relatively little of the total available cycles |
| 20:50:37 | AlexP | OK, cool |
| 20:52:00 | n1s | also even if the beast's cpu is fast it still sucks power and is one of those modern chips where cycles spent sleeping are cheap so saving cycles is important for battery time although i have no idea how much impact the EQ would have |
| 20:52:18 | n1s | a bench of that (on any target) would be very interesting imo |
| 20:52:27 | AlexP | yeah, makes sense |
| 20:54:28 | CIA-81 | New commit by alex (r28095): Manual: The gigabeat S has hardware tone controls instead of bass/treble settings, so update the manual to reflect this. Also update the sound ... |
| 20:54:57 | n1s | awesome to see manual fixing :) |
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| 21:00:52 | pamaury | usbaudio: set playback sampling frequency to %32000 Hz for a requested 44100 Hz |
| 21:01:22 | n1s | that looks um wrong :) |
| 21:01:45 | pamaury | indeed, furthermore, both frequencies are supported by the hardware so my lookup routine must be wrong :) |
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| 23:16:34 | NappyHead3128410 | I've just purchased a Sansa Clip+ I believe Rockbox is working with v1 clips and not v2. So how do I know which one do I have? |
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| 23:17:38 | gevaerts | lordlucan: neither. You have a clip+ |
| 23:18:12 | lordlucan | oh i see! oops |
| 23:18:44 | gevaerts | Rockbox works on all of those though |
| 23:19:18 | lordlucan | the site says its unstable thoug |
| 23:19:24 | lordlucan | *though* |
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| 23:21:36 | gevaerts | Yes, but I think the clip+ isn't very far away from being declared stable. I don't have one though, so I might be wrong |
| 23:21:57 | AlexP | I get the impression it is mainly USB, but that might be erroneous |
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| 23:23:34 | lordlucan | thanks guys |
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| 23:33:31 | froggyman | is there suppose to be USB stack on the current SVN build for the sansa fuzev2 |
| 23:33:32 | froggyman | ? |
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| 23:34:59 | Jerom | froggyman: Yes but it isn't activated by default |
| 23:35:19 | froggyman | Jerom, how does one activate it? |
| 23:35:37 | Jerom | You need to pull the sources and recompile it |
| 23:36:22 | froggyman | okay, what do I need to change in the source though? I already have a build environment setup, and have compiled plenty of times before :) |
| 23:36:42 | Jerom | I did change some defines in firmware/export/config/sansafuzev2.h don't know if it's the best method but it works for me |
| 23:37:03 | Jerom | comment out #define USB_HANDLED_BY_OF |
| 23:37:15 | Jerom | And remove the comment from #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB |
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| 23:38:49 | froggyman | does the bootloader need to be updated then so it won't turn on and boot into the OF if I plug in my USB cable right away? |
| 23:39:12 | Jerom | You don't need to update it |
| 23:39:28 | Jerom | And I don't think it's wise to remove this behavior |
| 23:39:36 | Jerom | You know unstable and such ^^ |
| 23:40:44 | froggyman | alright, I guess that would make sense then. Plus I wouldn't want to mess with the bootloader too much since I've heard plenty of horror stories about how easy it is to brick the fuze |
| 23:42:12 | antIP | Do people typically use a file browser to get music onto their rockbox device? Or is there any software that one could use to 'sync? From the FAQ I got the impression that most people would use a file browser. |
| 23:42:20 | pamaury | back to "normal" situation for usb audio: buffer underflow every 0.1 sec, now I just need to find why.... |
| 23:42:56 | froggyman | antIP, quite a few people do use a file browser to do that, but there are plenty of programs to sync it for you |
| 23:43:06 | froggyman | antIP, what Operating system are you on? |
| 23:43:48 | antIP | froggyman - Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 23:43:54 | Jerom | pamaury: May sound like a dumb question but what is usb audio ? |
| 23:44:21 | pamaury | usb audio is a spec to have a usb audio device act as a sound card |
| 23:44:31 | froggyman | antIP, rhythmbox should be able to sync your music for you then |
| 23:45:27 | antIP | froggyman - Ok. Do people still dual boot with the linux os? (I'm not sure how up to date the FAQ is in this regard.) |
| 23:45:43 | gevaerts | antIP: dualboot what? |
| 23:45:44 | pamaury | so you plug your usb device and it is recognized as a sound card. I implemented this for rockbox (with a highly modified usb-arc driver and a modified usb stack and a new usb driver) and it worked. Two hours ago, I decided to resync with SVN head and it doesn't work reliably anymore :( |
| 23:46:18 | froggyman | antIP, there are people that dual boot between linux and windows (or possibly OS X), but thats not really on topic for here |
| 23:46:30 | Jerom | btw pamaury, nice work on the usb driver. It works well for me |
| 23:46:33 | antIP | gevaerts: According to the FAQ cLinux (or something like that) is used to dual/tripple boot. (iPhone OS, Rockbox, Linux, or even Doom) |
| 23:46:56 | pamaury | Jerom: it fails randomly however... |
| 23:47:18 | antIP | froggyman: I was referring to dual booting on on the iPod (rockbox/linux/iPodOS) ;) |
| 23:48:41 | Jerom | pamaury: Can i notice it when I don't look a log files or such ? |
| 23:49:52 | pamaury | Well yes, randomly it will happen that you plug your device and the usb connection doesn't work. It must be related to the PHY setup because well you plug, it either works perfectly or not at all currently |
| 23:50:18 | pamaury | If it didn't happen to you then you are lucky ;) |
| 23:50:23 | Jerom | ok :) |
| 23:51:03 | pamaury | I have a potential hacky solution but the real problem is probably the PHY setup and I have no idea about how to solve it |
| 23:51:22 | Jerom | Well when I did use the OF I only used the stock cable on the back from my pc or else it wouldn't |
| 23:51:37 | Jerom | work* |
| 23:51:43 | Jerom | Could it be related ? |
| 23:52:00 | pamaury | I also only use the stock cable |
| 23:53:21 | Jerom | Without any extension cord ? |
| 23:53:31 | Jerom | Because it would also fail with an extension cord |
| 23:54:08 | pamaury | I tried with and without and it's the same as far as I can remember |
| 23:54:31 | pamaury | the thing is that it's random and works most of the time |
| 23:55:41 | | Quit jgarvey (Quit: Leaving) |
| 23:55:56 | | Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 23:58:52 | Jerom | anyway, gn folks |
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