| 00:02:11 | shuffle2 | HAHA |
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| 00:03:10 | Acorn | does the recorder not detect clipping properly on the clip+? |
| 00:03:39 | Acorn | the peak meter never reachest the top even when it's completely overloaded |
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| 00:07:09 | pamaury | shuffle2: no, the device should send 3 packets (8+8+4) |
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| 00:09:52 | shuffle2 | yes i've been assuming the arc driver/controller magically does this |
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| 00:09:54 | shuffle2 | it doesn't |
| 00:10:04 | shuffle2 | tdlen=MIN(len,16384); |
| 00:10:09 | shuffle2 | ^bug #2 |
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| 00:10:30 | pamaury | is this the reason why your code fails ? |
| 00:10:37 | gevaerts | shuffle2: are you setting the max packet size properly? |
| 00:10:45 | notlistening | Rockbox on the Dell Streak - v.nice :D |
| 00:11:18 | shuffle2 | first bug, which gevaerts found for me, was that ibss is cleared on boot, and the arc device appears to like a static buffer(?) |
| 00:11:35 | pamaury | the arc driver is intelligent but however it can't make the coffee |
| 00:11:48 | shuffle2 | hehe |
| 00:12:37 | * | pamaury doesn't see the link between "ibess is cleared on boot" and "the arc device appears to like a static buffer" |
| 00:12:48 | gevaerts | shuffle2: if you want 8 bytes max packet size, you need to change init_control_queue_heads() |
| 00:13:12 | pamaury | we set 64 for max packet size in EP0 by default, no ? |
| 00:13:28 | shuffle2 | pamaury well the first thing was that i was storing all my usb descriptor data ibss |
| 00:13:38 | shuffle2 | so it would go bye bye, and i'd send all 0s |
| 00:13:45 | pamaury | ah :) |
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| 00:14:29 | gevaerts | But you're not actually allowed to use anything other than 64 for high speed |
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| 00:14:39 | shuffle2 | gevaerts it's fullspeed |
| 00:15:03 | kubiix | Hello, I have an simple question about Ipod USB |
| 00:15:14 | gevaerts | ok, 8 bytes is fine then, if you tell the controller about it |
| 00:15:56 | kubiix | Is there any sleep or spindown timeout when Ipod connected to USB host via Rockbox (no dick mode or Ipod FW)? |
| 00:16:32 | shuffle2 | shouldn't the values be extracted from the usb descriptors? or is this use case a little out of the ordinary? :p |
| 00:16:59 | shuffle2 | but ya, thanks for telling me the proper place |
| 00:17:01 | gevaerts | shuffle2: that would mean that the lower layer driver code has to sniff for descriptors... |
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| 00:17:11 | gevaerts | kubiix: it will use the standard dist spindown setting |
| 00:17:34 | gevaerts | *disk |
| 00:18:10 | kubiix | gevaerts: the setting from rockbox ? |
| 00:18:14 | gevaerts | yes |
| 00:19:06 | kubiix | ok, thanks, i am using it as usb drive for Wii, and the spindown is causing me lockups in some games, when the Ipod is not accessed for a while |
| 00:19:44 | pamaury | yeah, the driver definitely shouldn't sniff the descriptor. At best, it could have a function to set the maximum packet size |
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| 00:23:11 | Eldrek | pixelma: now that I think of it it does seem like the issue started when I installed a new theme. do I have to remove it from the ipod entirely or will just changing themes do? Now I'm just waiting for it to try to sleep again. Is there anyway to force it to sleep manually? or shortening the sleep time even |
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| 00:28:01 | AlexP | Rockbox doesn't have sleep |
| 00:28:13 | AlexP | If you mean idle power off, then yeah, that is a setting |
| 00:28:58 | Eldrek | that, then I guess |
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| 00:31:05 | Eldrek | ok, definitely still experiencing this glitch |
| 00:31:15 | Eldrek | or bug, rather |
| 00:33:24 | Eldrek | I'm fairly sure removing idle power off will sidestep the issue entirely, but I don't want to kill my battery, I just installed a new one too |
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| 00:35:01 | Torne | Eldrek: wait what's the problem? your ipod's going wrong on idle poweroff? |
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| 00:36:28 | Eldrek | yes, the backlight comes on and it wont turn off until I manually power it off with menu and select |
| 00:36:40 | Torne | hm |
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| 00:36:47 | Torne | only on idle poweroff, not if you shut down normally? |
| 00:36:52 | Eldrek | right |
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| 00:36:57 | Torne | and the screen's just blank with the backlight on? |
| 00:37:06 | Eldrek | yep, just a blank white screen |
| 00:37:17 | Torne | what model and build? |
| 00:37:25 | * | Torne tries to remember which releases had which shutdown hack |
| 00:37:39 | Eldrek | 30gb ipod video, rockbox version 3.6 |
| 00:37:45 | saratoga | try the current build and see if it works better |
| 00:37:59 | Eldrek | I thought 3.6 was the current one? |
| 00:38:40 | Torne | 3.6 is the latest release |
| 00:38:46 | Torne | not the current development build |
| 00:39:04 | Torne | 3.6 uses the same shutdown method as current (clearing second half of iram then powering off via pcf) |
| 00:39:26 | Torne | 3.5 does it differently, so that might be interesting to try as well (reboots to OF bootloader in batteryfail mode) |
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| 00:39:43 | Torne | (3.4 does it differently again, since it has neither shutdown hack) |
| 00:40:27 | Eldrek | how long has 3.6 been out? (trying to find out what version I originally installed) |
| 00:40:35 | Torne | couple of months |
| 00:40:48 | Torne | has this always happened, or only recently? |
| 00:40:50 | Eldrek | then I probably installed it to begin with >.< |
| 00:40:53 | Eldrek | only since yesterday |
| 00:40:59 | Torne | odd. |
| 00:41:18 | Torne | and it does it every time? even if you are just sitting in the menu? |
| 00:41:22 | Eldrek | yep |
| 00:41:33 | Torne | hmm |
| 00:41:55 | Torne | that's very odd, shutdown is not exactly complicated |
| 00:42:12 | Torne | it pretty much just cuts the power once it's done with everything else |
| 00:42:28 | Torne | and there's a timer so it cuts the power anyway if the clean shutdown doesn't complete inside of something like 40 seconds |
| 00:42:30 | Eldrek | yesterday I fully disassembled the ipod, but that shouldn't have done anything to it should it? it still works fine with the ipod firmware |
| 00:42:49 | Torne | ...possibly you have shorted aux_pwr or something? |
| 00:42:57 | Eldrek | and it's not the first time I've taken it apart |
| 00:43:02 | Torne | if this only started happening since you took it apart then that's suspicious :) |
| 00:43:35 | Torne | the ipod wakes up when power is applied over the dock connector, or when menu or select are pressed, or when the RTC alarm fires |
| 00:43:45 | Torne | but if it was that it should just boot up.. |
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| 00:44:00 | Eldrek | RTC? |
| 00:44:05 | Torne | realtime clock. the alarm. |
| 00:44:12 | Eldrek | ah, okay |
| 00:44:14 | Torne | but whatever causes it to power on it should just start up |
| 00:44:28 | Eldrek | starting up isnt the problem, though |
| 00:44:34 | Torne | well you say that ;) |
| 00:44:44 | Torne | but there are some problems with startup on some people's ipods, where they ahve to reset sometimes |
| 00:44:49 | Torne | it doesn't normally involve the backlight being on though |
| 00:45:11 | Torne | the shutdown hacks i mentioned earlier were attempts to fix the startup problem |
| 00:45:15 | Torne | none of which work fully |
| 00:46:11 | notlistening | amazing how some people know everything ... ;) |
| 00:46:19 | Torne | i'm not sure, i'm afraid.. |
| 00:46:21 | Eldrek | indeed :D |
| 00:46:23 | Torne | it's not something i've heard of before |
| 00:46:37 | Torne | and i don't know everything, i've just spent ages working on ipod startup/shutdown and power/charging |
| 00:46:40 | Torne | :) |
| 00:46:48 | Torne | try the current build. |
| 00:46:59 | Eldrek | alright |
| 00:47:04 | Torne | if that doesn't make any difference, try 3.5 |
| 00:47:13 | Torne | because that handles shutdown differently |
| 00:47:32 | Eldrek | maybe I shorted it like you said |
| 00:47:40 | Torne | Well, maybe, but I don't think that'd really explain it |
| 00:47:44 | Eldrek | but would it still take power from the dock connector if I did? |
| 00:47:58 | Torne | there's two power pins on the dock, one for usb power at 5v, one for firewire power at 12v |
| 00:48:14 | Torne | you may have shorted the 12v one possibly? but i think rockbox would behave oddly while running also then |
| 00:48:20 | Torne | always thinking it was charging, etc |
| 00:48:22 | Eldrek | I thought they quit using firewire in later ipod models |
| 00:48:27 | Torne | they removed the firewire data pins |
| 00:48:33 | Torne | but it can still charge from the 12V firewire power |
| 00:48:37 | Eldrek | I see |
| 00:48:44 | Torne | for accessories and car kits that power it that way |
| 00:49:21 | Torne | anyway, it's probably not that, i was just pondering what could cause it to stay on |
| 00:49:21 | Eldrek | installed current and retrying now |
| 00:49:36 | Torne | the ipod basically cannot turn off while external power on eitehr pin is applied |
| 00:49:39 | Torne | it just refuses |
| 00:49:48 | Torne | so if that's gotten stuck somehow then it might do something like what you see |
| 00:50:02 | Eldrek | hmm |
| 00:50:14 | Eldrek | could I just cut the pin if that were the case? |
| 00:50:26 | Torne | well, you should be able to tell if it is or not by looking in rockbox |
| 00:50:31 | Torne | see what the current build does first |
| 00:50:34 | notlistening | would the OF not turn off aswell? |
| 00:51:12 | Torne | notlistening: i'm not sure; the OF doesn't normally go to sleep while power is applied but I don't think the PCF actually *prevents* it |
| 00:51:16 | Torne | i think it's just a choice.. |
| 00:51:28 | Eldrek | same thing on the current build |
| 00:51:34 | Torne | so maybe if it was a bit floaty the GPIO might read as not connected and the apple firmware would behave ok |
| 00:51:51 | Torne | the PCF's poweron interrupt isn't necessarily triggered at the same level |
| 00:52:07 | Torne | Eldrek: ok, one sec |
| 00:52:12 | Eldrek | GPIO? so many acronyms lol |
| 00:52:14 | Torne | lemme grab mine so i can tellyou where in the debug menu to look |
| 00:52:23 | Eldrek | alright |
| 00:52:30 | notlistening | General Purpose Input Output |
| 00:52:46 | notlistening | I thhink ;) |
| 00:52:52 | Eldrek | so, the dock connector? |
| 00:53:18 | Torne | ok, in rockbox go to system -> debug |
| 00:53:21 | Torne | then view battery |
| 00:53:24 | Torne | then scroll the wheel down once |
| 00:53:42 | Torne | you should get a screen with a bunch of status messages, including "USB pwr:" and "EXT pwr:" |
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| 00:53:48 | Torne | are those both "absent"? |
| 00:53:52 | Eldrek | yes |
| 00:54:00 | Torne | right, so rockbox doesn't think there's any power |
| 00:54:02 | Eldrek | headphone says connected even though it's not, though |
| 00:54:21 | Torne | oh? interesting |
| 00:54:26 | Torne | do you use the pause on headphone unplug thing? |
| 00:54:32 | Eldrek | yes |
| 00:54:37 | Torne | and does that still work? :) |
| 00:55:15 | Torne | (also does it fix itself if you plug in the headphones then take them out again) |
| 00:55:31 | Torne | i can't see any reason why the headphone detect signal being stuck would cause shutdown to fail.. |
| 00:55:40 | Torne | but if it *is* stuck than that suggests you did break something when you took it apart ;) |
| 00:56:06 | Eldrek | well the headphone jack has been in pretty bad shape ever since I got it |
| 00:56:16 | Torne | right |
| 00:56:18 | Eldrek | part of the plastic is chipped, etc |
| 00:56:21 | Torne | so maybe that's not new |
| 00:56:47 | Eldrek | after reinstalling my settings are back to default, where again was the pause on unplug located? |
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| 00:56:57 | Torne | you didn't have to uninstall it |
| 00:57:02 | Torne | or delete the rockbox directory |
| 00:57:03 | notlistening | Get a Sansa Clip+ and 32GB sd card |
| 00:57:06 | notlistening | Sorted :D |
| 00:57:07 | Torne | for future reference. you can just overwrite it. |
| 00:57:13 | Torne | and then your settings will be kept :) |
| 00:57:28 | Eldrek | alright, I figured I would do the whole uninstall incase something I had in there was causing problems |
| 00:57:50 | Torne | yah, ok. |
| 00:57:58 | Torne | anyway i forget where it is, i'm guessing playback settings |
| 00:58:15 | Eldrek | no, it doesnt pause it |
| 00:58:32 | Torne | Heh |
| 00:58:36 | Torne | I think it's stuck, then :) |
| 00:58:51 | Torne | unfortunate but shouldn't, on its own, cause this shutdown thing |
| 00:59:12 | Torne | i'm reading the pcf datasheet to see whether it exposes its idea of what the wakeup signals are, bear with me |
| 00:59:27 | Eldrek | in the meantime I guess I'll try 3.5? |
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| 01:01:05 | Torne | ah, drat, we don't output the relevant pcf registers on the debug screen :) |
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| 01:02:22 | Torne | yeah, give 3.5 a try just to see if anything is different |
| 01:02:34 | Eldrek | I can't find it with the rockbox utility |
| 01:02:38 | Torne | but i'm afraid i'm leaning towards "you broke something when you took it apart" here.. |
| 01:03:15 | Torne | hmm |
| 01:03:34 | Eldrek | heh, well I was messing with the pins so it wouldn't surprise me |
| 01:03:37 | Torne | http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.5.1/rockbox-ipodvideo-3.5.1.zip |
| 01:03:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:03:46 | Torne | there you go :) |
| 01:04:07 | notlistening | Eldrek, why would u want to mess with the pins....? |
| 01:04:39 | Torne | it's just really odd that it would only affect the idle poweroff |
| 01:04:52 | Torne | i'm kinda out of ideas i'm afraid |
| 01:05:09 | Eldrek | notlistening: I was planning to try soldering wires to it and hacking in a micro usb connector |
| 01:05:23 | notlistening | but when u mess with electronic you get stange behaviour |
| 01:05:51 | notlistening | oh okay ;) |
| 01:06:56 | Eldrek | I'm not really concerned about the thing, I just wanted to tinker, see if I couldn't do something interesting :) |
| 01:07:09 | Torne | notlistening: well, you shouldn't get *inexplicable* behaviour, gneerally |
| 01:07:32 | Torne | you might not know specifically what you broke but generally there should be a plausible thing you could've broken to cause the behaviour :) |
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| 01:08:19 | Eldrek | the only thing I broke was part of the casing, which I just super glued in place :x |
| 01:08:35 | Eldrek | I was carving out a space for my micro usb connector when I broke it |
| 01:08:35 | notlistening | true but tracing it might be beyond his equipment facilities |
| 01:08:56 | Torne | anyway.. if you can't work out how to sort this, then turning off idle poweroff is not actually the end of the world.. |
| 01:09:12 | Torne | the ipod's power drain when the disk and screen are off and it's doing nothing is pretty low |
| 01:09:26 | Torne | it won't drain the battery for a long time |
| 01:09:38 | Eldrek | wont it eventually drain it completely though? |
| 01:09:43 | Torne | eventually, yes :) |
| 01:09:50 | Torne | but you can hopefulyl remember to manually power off before then |
| 01:10:00 | Eldrek | and that means no more functional lithium battery heh |
| 01:10:04 | Torne | no.. |
| 01:10:08 | Torne | well maybe |
| 01:10:16 | Torne | probably not though. |
| 01:10:20 | Eldrek | I wont remember heh :P |
| 01:10:20 | notlistening | lol Torne |
| 01:10:27 | Torne | The power controller shouldn't let it get to the point where any actual battery damage occurs |
| 01:10:36 | Torne | if the battery voltage goes super low then it *will* cut the power |
| 01:10:42 | Eldrek | 3.5.1 worked! |
| 01:10:42 | Torne | even if rockbox hasn't noticed |
| 01:10:49 | Torne | Right, that's plausible |
| 01:10:53 | notlistening | rockbox independant |
| 01:10:56 | Torne | since 3.5.1 basically reboots to the OF in order to shut down |
| 01:11:17 | Torne | so if the OF can shut down then that also working makes sense |
| 01:11:20 | Torne | I still don'tknow *why* |
| 01:11:29 | Eldrek | ah well, it's working now |
| 01:11:35 | Torne | sooo. I was considering implementing the 3.5 shutdown method on the current builds, as an option |
| 01:11:42 | Torne | because the problem it's a workaround for still happens for some people |
| 01:11:55 | Torne | so i was gonna give users the choice of using it if they wanted, since there are downsides to both methods |
| 01:12:03 | Torne | so that would help you as well |
| 01:12:05 | Eldrek | so thanks a ton. anything major I'm missing from 3.6? I don't notice a difference tbh |
| 01:12:12 | Torne | unless/until you can work out the actual problem. |
| 01:12:42 | Torne | no problem |
| 01:12:52 | Torne | if you do ever find out what the actual issue is, do come tell us |
| 01:12:58 | Torne | because this is Crazy Weird still |
| 01:13:10 | Eldrek | though I did notice the start up splash screen was different, and it was the one I saw originally. So I guess I just installed 3.6 when it started doing that |
| 01:13:30 | Torne | ah, hm |
| 01:13:35 | Torne | that's particularly weird. |
| 01:13:44 | Torne | If you wer ereally curious to generate more data, you could try 3.4 as well |
| 01:13:50 | Torne | because that's before i started messing around with shutdown at all |
| 01:14:06 | Torne | if 3.4 works but 3.6 doesn't then that means there is a downside to my new workaround after all |
| 01:14:20 | Torne | i have been, so far, assuming the new workaround only fails to fix the startup issue for some folks |
| 01:14:23 | Eldrek | I'll let you know if I find out, but I doubt I will. My main motivations for coming here for help was 1. potential bug fixes and 2. getting my little mod going. heh. |
| 01:14:30 | Torne | but maybe this means that it does actually cause a problem for someone too |
| 01:15:02 | Torne | ok. well, at some point i'll add a setting for the shutdown type and then you can probably use the current builds instead of 3.5 |
| 01:15:15 | Eldrek | many kudos if you do |
| 01:15:43 | Eldrek | I'll give 3.4 a try while I'm at it |
| 01:15:58 | Torne | well it's not particularly hard, i just need to find a little time for it :) |
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| 01:16:38 | Eldrek | ..where can I find 3.4? |
| 01:16:50 | Torne | by guessing based on the url for 3.5.1 |
| 01:16:52 | Torne | :) |
| 01:17:56 | Eldrek | well that was the easy way to do it |
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| 01:18:16 | soap | What if you run 3.6 now that the problem has been "cured" by the 3.5 shutdown routine? |
| 01:18:26 | Torne | soap: interesting |
| 01:18:32 | Torne | i doubt it, though |
| 01:18:36 | soap | Actually, before that, answer this question: Since the problem started have you rebooted into the Apple original firmware? |
| 01:18:46 | Eldrek | yes, soap |
| 01:18:53 | soap | there goes my theory. |
| 01:19:05 | Eldrek | thats the first thing I did, to troubleshoot whether it was rockbox or my hardware |
| 01:19:24 | soap | Theory being that there was still /something/ the OF is doing on shutdown which Rockbox is failing to do (and 3.5 does by nature of calling the OF). |
| 01:19:54 | Torne | well that's still possible |
| 01:19:56 | soap | And that running the OF would clear that out, however it got set. |
| 01:20:04 | Torne | and 3.5's shutdown doesn't really call the of properly |
| 01:20:30 | Torne | it just starts a tiny bit of the bootrom, with memory set to the state that implies "you failed to boot last time because of insufficient power" |
| 01:20:33 | soap | I know, perhaps an overly simplistic description. |
| 01:20:48 | Torne | i wouldn't expect it to be very clever about how it shuts the thing down |
| 01:21:24 | notlistening | Never assume anything |
| 01:21:39 | soap | currently the broadcom chip is just acting as passthrough? |
| 01:21:57 | Torne | er, ish |
| 01:22:03 | Torne | we load its firmware into it now, i think |
| 01:22:05 | soap | (just thought about the broadcom chip as it is a screen-related issue). |
| 01:22:07 | Torne | so that we can shut it off |
| 01:22:58 | soap | Oh, that's right. I forgot how the screen-power off got accomplished. Was that present in 3.5? |
| 01:23:09 | Torne | i think so, it' sbeen there a while |
| 01:23:18 | Torne | i forget he details though, the bcm video scares me |
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| 01:29:50 | Eldrek | same white screen issue in 3.4 |
| 01:30:05 | Torne | ah, so it'snot the iram clearing causing it then |
| 01:30:06 | Torne | that's good :) |
| 01:30:33 | Eldrek | want me to try anything else? |
| 01:32:33 | Torne | can't think of anything, i'm afraid |
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| 01:34:32 | Acorn | Is the stuff in the manual about the OF being loaded when plugging the USB cable into a clip+ outdated? |
| 01:34:51 | notlistening | Acorn, yes |
| 01:35:12 | notlistening | Last time I updated anyways |
| 01:35:23 | Acorn | Is there any way to switch that functionality on? Or do you just have to turn the player off and then plug in? |
| 01:35:49 | notlistening | So you want the OF with power? |
| 01:36:10 | notlistening | power/usb |
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| 01:48:43 | saratoga | Acorn: it was disabled recently because it caused problems for some people |
| 01:50:54 | Acorn | hm, okay |
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| 01:59:33 | Acorn | If I'm not getting clipping being detected when recording, is that because I need to change some settings? |
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| 04:07:15 | puetzk | Darn, it looks like the vmware dev image no longer has the right compiler for clip+ - wants arm-elf-eabi-gcc, but that has arm-elf-gcc |
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| 04:32:55 | soap | puetzk, run rockboxdev.sh to build that compiler. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CrossCompiler |
| 04:33:05 | puetzk | yep, working toward that |
| 04:33:09 | soap | ok |
| 04:33:23 | puetzk | Thanks for the link though, I should have mentioned that I was just griping :-) |
| 04:33:52 | puetzk | I expect building it mac native could be... interesting, so I'm setting up more modern ubuntu VM first to do it in |
| 04:33:54 | soap | yea, I had a feeling you were and I was going to be telling you things you already knew. |
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| 04:56:45 | Hillshum | What's this about the Clip+ having 80% USB support? |
| 04:57:42 | saratoga | you can sort of transfer files before it dies sometimes |
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| 05:00:16 | Hillshum | Interesting. Nice to see that the AMSv1 devices have proper USB support |
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| 05:35:47 | VTRay | sup all |
| 05:35:52 | VTRay | need help |
| 05:36:13 | VTRay | is it worth trying to instal rockbox on a v2 fuze |
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| 05:37:52 | puetzk | how so? |
| 05:38:07 | VTRay | if someone could walk me through the upgrade that would be greatly appreciated as I am not very savvy with this stuff |
| 05:38:32 | puetzk | RButil should pretty much do it for you |
| 05:38:59 | puetzk | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility |
| 05:39:13 | VTRay | i have original firmware 2.03.33 |
| 05:39:36 | VTRay | or i meant the sandisk updater updated my fuze to that firmwar |
| 05:41:38 | VTRay | ok i did attempt to use that utility but the complete installtion tab and minimal installation tabs are grayed out |
| 05:41:42 | VTRay | what does that mean |
| 05:41:57 | VTRay | so i cant select them |
| 05:43:38 | VTRay | so any thoughts on that |
| 05:44:31 | VTRay | should i try installing the bootloader? |
| 05:45:46 | saratoga | did you select a device to install? they'l l probably be grayed out if you don't tell it what to install |
| 05:46:57 | VTRay | yes i selected fuze v2 |
| 05:47:08 | puetzk | and it found the mount point too? |
| 05:47:25 | VTRay | i had to choose the mount point |
| 05:48:01 | puetzk | Ok. Then your next step is to patch the original firmware with the rockbox bootloader |
| 05:48:03 | VTRay | the sansa is connect to the pc via a network hub |
| 05:48:09 | VTRay | could that be a problem |
| 05:48:20 | puetzk | Dunno. I probably wouldn't do it for the bootloader portion |
| 05:48:32 | puetzk | It shouldn't hurt, but... |
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| 05:48:55 | VTRay | so how do i patch it |
| 05:49:07 | saratoga | hit install, follow directions |
| 05:49:25 | VTRay | u mena install bootloader |
| 05:49:29 | puetzk | yep |
| 05:49:40 | VTRay | so which firmware do i need |
| 05:49:48 | saratoga | doesn't matter |
| 05:50:07 | puetzk | Whichever one you want it to use when you hit the "dual-boot" key to launch the original firmware instead |
| 05:50:24 | saratoga | bluebroth3r: any chance of a new rbutil release soon? the current version is getting a bit old |
| 05:51:10 | VTRay | ok the bootloader install went throught now what |
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| 05:51:32 | VTRay | install rockbox? |
| 05:51:35 | puetzk | Now your player should be rebooting and flashing itself (if the Fuzev2 works like my clip+ |
| 05:51:49 | puetzk | The next step is to install rockbox, yes |
| 05:52:00 | CIA-81 | New commit by funman (r28105): Update Polish translation ... |
| 05:52:11 | VTRay | it didnt reboot |
| 05:53:00 | VTRay | it just says connected and the sansa colored logo is doing its thing |
| 05:53:16 | puetzk | If install rockbox is enabled, hit that next |
| 05:53:23 | funman | then you need to use mkamsboot, see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS |
| 05:53:26 | puetzk | it won't hurt anything to do them both together |
| 05:53:52 | * | puetzk hasn't done the bootloader in a long time, I may be fuzzy on how rbutil sequences things |
| 05:54:06 | CIA-81 | r28105 build result: All green |
| 05:54:42 | VTRay | ok gotcha |
| 05:54:53 | VTRay | the sansa syas reading right now |
| 05:54:58 | VTRay | now writing |
| 05:55:22 | funman | pixelma: Zagor: I don't get flyspray notifications either |
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| 05:55:29 | VTRay | ok the uitility said it finished successfully |
| 05:55:39 | VTRay | but my sansa is not back to just saying connected |
| 05:55:45 | VTRay | do i need to unplug it? |
| 05:56:00 | VTRay | not= now |
| 05:56:12 | puetzk | yes, unmount it and then unplug it |
| 05:56:23 | puetzk | (unmount == safely remove, or eject disk, or whatever - not sure what OS you're on) |
| 05:56:44 | VTRay | ok im on xp |
| 05:57:10 | VTRay | it is readin firmware upgrade in progress |
| 05:57:13 | puetzk | OK. |
| 05:57:23 | VTRay | upgrade completed |
| 05:57:29 | VTRay | and it turned off |
| 05:57:37 | puetzk | That's as expected |
| 05:57:42 | puetzk | turn it back on and it should be rockbox now |
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| 05:59:26 | VTRay | looks like it worked |
| 05:59:38 | VTRay | so what makes this unstable? |
| 05:59:50 | puetzk | USB, mostly |
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| 06:00:04 | puetzk | You still have to use the OF (or the card slot) to put files on it |
| 06:00:27 | puetzk | OF == original firmware |
| 06:00:45 | funman | if something isn't working (except Doom and what is listed on SansaAMS page of the wiki) it's a bug and should be reported |
| 06:00:55 | puetzk | If you plug it into USB (instead of turning it on first), it should go to the sansa firmware |
| 06:01:04 | puetzk | on my Clip+, holding Home or left while turning it on does the same |
| 06:01:41 | puetzk | I think the Fuze uses the same buttons |
| 06:02:15 | funman | yeah that's the Left button on Sansas |
| 06:02:18 | VTRay | so i take it this will probably eventually be patched |
| 06:03:12 | saratoga | yeah, check out the wiki page above, USB is discussed there |
| 06:03:25 | VTRay | is ther an eta |
| 06:03:31 | saratoga | when it works |
| 06:03:33 | VTRay | on a patch ot still on going |
| 06:06:53 | VTRay | ok so i unplugged it from pc and now it is back to OF |
| 06:07:01 | VTRay | how do i go back to rockbox? |
| 06:07:06 | puetzk | turn it off and back on |
| 06:07:08 | * | lestatar NP: my music player: Balanescu Quartet - Maria T - The Young Conscript And The Moon - (3:39 / 6:41). |
| 06:07:12 | puetzk | it goes to the OF to handle USB |
| 06:07:22 | VTRay | ah simple enough |
| 06:07:23 | lestatar | ooops! sorry wrong window :( |
| 06:07:32 | puetzk | and the OF doens't know it's supposed to reboot back into rockbox when you're done |
| 06:08:44 | VTRay | gotcha |
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| 06:17:55 | VTRay | rockbox is pretty nifty |
| 06:18:22 | VTRay | and rockbox can be removed right? |
| 06:18:36 | scorche | yes |
| 06:18:47 | puetzk | Sure, just flash the sansa firmware back on (like you did when updating it), and delete the .rockbox folder from the top |
| 06:18:54 | puetzk | Not that you'll want to :-) |
| 06:19:33 | puetzk | or use the "Uninstallation" tab in RBUtil |
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| 06:28:00 | VTRay | is it me or does the top part of the screen seem way up there |
| 06:30:01 | funman | fuze screen is often misplaced in the case, the OF reduce height to compensate |
| 06:34:41 | puetzk | ls |
| 06:34:50 | puetzk | wrong window |
| 06:36:15 | VTRay | is see fuman |
| 06:36:25 | VTRay | intersting to kno |
| 06:39:27 | VTRay | do any games have sound |
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| 06:41:01 | saratoga | some do |
| 06:41:04 | puetzk | most let the music keep playing |
| 06:41:06 | puetzk | some have their own |
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| 06:44:38 | VTRay | so i still need to install fonts package, themes, anda gems |
| 06:44:40 | VTRay | games |
| 06:51:44 | funman | games are all contained with rockbox, unless you mean Doom WADs or emulator ROMs |
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| 07:16:27 | VTRay | what are those voice files |
| 07:16:36 | VTRay | on the install utility |
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| 07:23:40 | funman | check the manual it should explain voice |
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| 07:57:39 | puetzk | Anyone here familiar with the AMSv2 recording code? |
| 07:58:09 | puetzk | My clip+ has always been very quiet, and very prone to clipping; I think I've solved the latter, and at least figured out what causes the former |
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| 08:00:40 | puetzk | The clipping is because of the way firmware/drivers/audio/as3514.c:audiohw_set_recvol is using the mic gain and the ADC gain; for some reason it's trying to keep the mic gain as low as possible, even if that means it has to use max gain (+12dB) in the ADC |
| 08:01:09 | puetzk | Which, like settings things above 0dB almost always does, means it will clip |
| 08:02:18 | puetzk | lowering the cutoffs from 36 and 32 to 28 and 24 (so that it keeps the ADC settings <= 0dB if possible) makes that much better |
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| 08:07:38 | funman | puetzk: this file was written for e200v1 and i just made minor modifications for it to work with AMS |
| 08:08:04 | funman | i didn't really looked at recording quality |
| 08:09:07 | funman | do you have the datasheets for as3514/as3543 ? |
| 08:09:38 | puetzk | No; I grabbed the 3525 one off the web, but the others appear to be semi-private |
| 08:09:54 | puetzk | I've never hacked on rockbox before, just decided to dig into this one because it was annoying me :-) |
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| 08:11:19 | funman | they are private but AustriaMicroSystems sent them to us. if you want to work on this and promise to keep them private i can send them to you |
| 08:11:51 | funman | as3514 is almost completely identical to what is described in as3525 datasheet anyway |
| 08:11:57 | puetzk | Sure. puetzk@puetzk.org |
| 08:12:10 | puetzk | Or is there some more formal "promise to keep them private" involved? |
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| 08:14:17 | funman | no that's enough, if you want to steal the datasheets from me all you have to do is fake interest in enhancing rockbox ;-) |
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| 08:18:10 | puetzk | I'll start a flyspray with what I've learned so far and the patch that fixes some of it |
| 08:18:15 | funman | access to these docs usually require signing a NDA but after some email exchange they were kind enough to just give the docs to use without formal documents. (mail sent: ~4.5MB) |
| 08:18:47 | puetzk | Right now I've just changed it globally; I don't know if it should be only for AMSv2 or not, I don't have any other SansaAMS devices |
| 08:20:27 | funman | now i remember this problem might already have been mentioned but i couldnt find the cause |
| 08:20:47 | puetzk | kudos on the toolchain setup, by the way; the VMware image was out of date, but even having to compile it it's the easest cross-toolchain I've ever set up |
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| 08:21:01 | funman | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54060 |
| 08:21:29 | funman | not building a libc makes things easier |
| 08:23:16 | n1s | we know about the vmware image being out of date but noone seems interested in fixing it |
| 08:24:39 | funman | n1s: did you see FS #11608 ? (last comment about tremor) |
| 08:24:59 | n1s | nope, i'll take a look |
| 08:25:41 | n1s | interesting |
| 08:26:22 | n1s | i have a r278something build on my fuze and haven't had any whitenoise or crashes that i've noticed |
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| 08:28:40 | n1s | i'll update it to current and test more later |
| 08:42:57 | puetzk | funman: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11631 |
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| 08:45:45 | funman | puetzk: thanks |
| 08:46:26 | funman | i'll try on clipv1 (AMSv1), if someone can try on e200v1/c200v1 that'd be nice |
| 08:46:55 | puetzk | I can confirm that this used to work right (without the patch) on an e280v1 |
| 08:47:05 | puetzk | but I lost that player (hence bought the clip+) |
| 08:47:11 | puetzk | so I can't check it now |
| 08:47:37 | puetzk | So I suspect the patch will mess up e200v1 |
| 08:47:47 | puetzk | (or at least give it a change it doesn't need) |
| 08:48:17 | funman | if we can use the same code on all models it's better (less #ifdef) |
| 08:48:27 | puetzk | agreed |
| 08:48:51 | puetzk | It might also be that the e200 just had an ADC that could overdrive +12dB without being awful |
| 08:49:34 | puetzk | But it definitely sounded OK back when I had one |
| 08:51:57 | puetzk | It's really a pretty good mic when it's not all mucked up :-) |
| 08:52:07 | puetzk | I'm impressed for what had to be an afterthought |
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| 08:56:40 | funman | which gain did you use in your test? |
| 08:57:04 | puetzk | +12 |
| 08:57:41 | puetzk | The loudest one that doesn't clip with the patch |
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| 09:03:02 | pixelma_ | funman: I wanted to ask wodz or bohoon (or however he's spelled) about the Polish translation first. I think it's better for languages for which we have native speakers as active committers |
| 09:03:08 | funman | it looks ok on clipv1 without the patch |
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| 09:03:51 | funman | pixelma_: ok |
| 09:05:10 | n1s | funman: does fuzev1 have a regular codec buffer or is the whole thing in iram? or is that only the clip? |
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| 09:06:55 | funman | n1s: regular |
| 09:07:23 | funman | codec buffer in iram is for clipv1, m200v4, c200v2 (amsv1 && mem <= 2) and clipv2, fuzev2, clip+ (amsv2, because iram is 1MB) |
| 09:07:32 | puetzk | funman: hmm... |
| 09:08:10 | * | puetzk digs in the data sheets you passed along |
| 09:08:37 | n1s | funman: ok |
| 09:10:38 | pixelma_ | puetzk: btw, the channel is logged, so maybe putting your mail address here isn't such a good idea |
| 09:10:49 | puetzk | pixelma_: yeah, I thought of that after hitting return |
| 09:10:59 | puetzk | so be it, it's posted on my web page and in many list archives |
| 09:11:08 | puetzk | spamassassin has to earn its keep |
| 09:12:00 | pixelma_ | ok |
| 09:12:16 | puetzk | not much to do after sending it anyway :-) |
| 09:13:21 | pixelma_ | maybe someone who has access to the machine that does the logging could manipulate it |
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| 09:15:14 | puetzk | funman: the mic PRE_GAIN values are higher on AS3543, so the calculation would be off for v2 |
| 09:17:15 | funman | oh right |
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| 09:18:21 | puetzk | Only 2dB though, which souldn't any different than just having set asked for 2dB more. So that shouldn't explain wildly different behavior.. |
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| 09:19:53 | puetzk | If anything it should help; my patch made us run the mic preamp up to 12dB hotter so the ADC's input didn't need so much gain. |
| 09:19:57 | puetzk | hmm |
| 09:20:45 | funman | i have trouble comparing with and without the patch on clip+, someone with better ears than me should try :) |
| 09:21:11 | puetzk | Seriously? You can't hear the difference between the two recordings I posted? |
| 09:21:15 | puetzk | Or yours isn't doing that |
| 09:22:12 | funman | i can hear it on your recordings, but i think the source i use for my recording isn't loud enough / or i'm not placing the clip+ at the exact same distance from the speakers in each test |
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| 09:29:53 | puetzk | OK. My source wasn't crazy-loud, just an acoustic guitar. The Clip+ was sitting in my desk a maybe 2ft away |
| 09:32:11 | puetzk | well, I think I'm going to turn into a pumpkin. There are definitely difference in the microphone preamps circuits between AS3525 and AS3543 in the docs you shared, so I'll investigate more tomorrow. |
| 09:33:32 | puetzk | and update the flyspray if I learn something. |
| 09:33:38 | funman | puetzk: keep in mind that as3543 is a preliminary datasheet and there might be typos or inaccurate stuff |
| 09:34:31 | funman | ok, i'll subscribe to the task |
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| 10:08:09 | n1s | funman, i've now listened through an entire album in ogg on my fuze with no problems and i can not see any problem with the malloc changes in tremor that comment reffered to |
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| 11:13:34 | pixelma_ | JdGordon: I'm not sure, I completely understand your message here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11593 |
| 11:13:56 | JdGordon | which part? |
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| 11:21:39 | pixelma_ | JdGordon (for later): a) isn't switching hold some sort of dynamic? At least it seems to change something, once. (b) if I replaced "Test" with current time in song, should it work? (c) I *think* I tried your code on my M5, replacing the RGB value with grey shade ones and put current time in song below - the text put behind the %Vf doesn't show up and the foreground colour doesn't change. (d) this is with r28095 which is no fun due to the backdrop |
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| 11:54:27 | JdGordon | pixelma: the way the engine works is that some tags are considered "dynamic" which means they are drawn every single update, that doesnt mean thouhg that when they change they cause the rest of the screen to do a full update |
| 11:55:07 | JdGordon | so my code (should) work because %?mh<a|b> when mh changes the conditional is redone completly causeing either a or b to be displayed |
| 11:55:30 | JdGordon | if you put any tag which is considered dynamic into your "test" line then it would work |
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| 11:59:40 | pixelma_ | I tried two things which I think goes along those lines - one to just replace "Test" with a dynamic tag (at least I think %pc is - displaying the current time in a song) and then adapting your example code to greyscale and the way I understood it. I can pastebin the new test.wps if you want. |
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| 12:00:15 | pixelma_ | s/goes/go |
| 12:01:51 | JdGordon | yes that should do it |
| 12:06:25 | pixelma_ | http://pastebin.com/Jp1F47q7 is what I tried directly on target. Neither TTT nor GGG show up (though I don't know if they should) - plus the current playback time doesn't change colours |
| 12:06:59 | pixelma_ | 0 is black and 2 is light grey which should be quite noticable |
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| 12:07:59 | JdGordon | that should work |
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| 12:14:08 | pixelma_ | well, it doesn't ;) Am I allowed to reopen the task? It's not that important but would be nice. |
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| 12:15:59 | pixelma_ | I still wonder why it would work with conditional viewports that define %Vf/%Vb for themselves. Where is the difference? |
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| 12:22:41 | JdGordon | the difference is that viewports which are conditionally enabled to a full redraw when they become enabled |
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| 12:23:52 | pixelma_ | couldn't %Vf/%Vb do that too if they change? Not sure if that is tracked though |
| 12:24:31 | JdGordon | IIRC they could only force that for the line they are on |
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| 12:25:44 | JdGordon | actually maybe for the rest of the current viewport |
| 12:26:20 | PaulJam | hi, i just wanted to compile an ipod video build with cygwin and configure tells me that the correct compiler (arm-elf-eabi-gcc) is missing. this package doesn't seem to be available at http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/ . can someone point me to the instructions how to obtain this crosscompiler? |
| 12:27:42 | JdGordon | you probbaly need to build it yourself |
| 12:28:11 | pixelma_ | you'd need to compile it yourself, running the shellscript and it may need some other packages and on cygwin: patience. I'm not sure but I thing there are some instructions in the wiki and some threads in the forum |
| 12:28:22 | pixelma_ | I think too |
| 12:29:39 | PaulJam | ok, thanks |
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| 12:37:05 | pixelma | JdGordon: ok, reopen the task or add a new? And where can I find which tags are dynamic ones? |
| 12:37:49 | JdGordon | reopen it and link to that paste, libs/skin_engine/tag_table.c |
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| 12:40:06 | will__ | how hard would it be to write a .ROCK that advances the current track by a set amount of time? |
| 12:42:44 | JdGordon | not very |
| 12:43:13 | pixelma | why should it be a plugin - and did you check out the "Skip Length" settings, maybe they already do what you want? |
| 12:43:41 | will__ | yeah, but I want a second choice |
| 12:44:00 | will__ | i was also thinking of making the record button do it. |
| 12:46:13 | will__ | I listen to a lot of talk radio, and during certian parts of certain shows it would be nice to have a 5-minute skip. But I use the 1-minute skip too much to go without it. |
| 12:46:59 | will__ | I'll do some reading. There is a "how to write a rock" page IIRC. |
| 12:50:04 | JdGordon | In that case you should look into making it a hotkey instead of a rock |
| 12:50:26 | will__ | thanks |
| 12:50:39 | pixelma | I imagine starting a plugin to change that is more time consuming than changing the setting - and if you don't want to trawl the menus, you could possibly set skip length as quickscreen items or prepare two .cfgs . I don't know how you imagined the UI though |
| 12:52:05 | will__ | Good idea. Thanks. |
| 12:52:42 | will__ | I can make a .cfg that only changes one setting? (and there fore it will load really fast?) |
| 12:52:51 | will__ | *therefore |
| 12:55:14 | pixelma | yes |
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| 13:20:16 | Acorn | Are there known problems with clipping detection when recording on the Clip+? |
| 13:22:02 | pixelma | JdGordon: out of curiousity. When seperating %Vf/%Vb from the viewport definition, I believe you said that this would make it easier to implement "white on black" modes for monochrome screens. Is that so and how complicated is it? |
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| 13:23:37 | JdGordon | dunno, presumably it just needs a flag for the viewport to set the inverted draw mode |
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| 13:24:14 | pixelma | Acorn:I think in today's logs there is talk about problems with recording gain on AMSv2 Sansas in general (which I think the Clip+ is). Someone started looking into it if I read things correctly |
| 13:26:26 | Acorn | pixelma, ah I see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11631 |
| 13:28:13 | Acorn | Wait.. the bug ticket was opened today? Funny coincidence :D |
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| 13:44:45 | pixelma | JdGordon: sounds more like a new parameter then instead foreground or background "colour", might even be useful for all targets as you could then work with the global colours, or? |
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| 13:46:13 | amiconn | Another option is to make monochrome understand foreground and background colour (just 0 and 1) (needs driver work) |
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| 13:49:14 | pixelma | amiconn: in this case I think (atm) that 0 and 3 would be better because then those themes could work on greyscale just the same (I'm thinking of the M:Robe100 especially). That's probably just a minor detail though |
| 13:51:44 | * | pixelma wonders if this "driver work" would also be motivating to get global fore- and background shades on greyscale ;) |
| 13:52:00 | amiconn | That would be rather arbitrary (the 0 to 3 on 2 bpp is because with two bits you can represent 0..3) |
| 13:52:36 | amiconn | It also wouldn't help themes because if the theme uses 1 or 2, what should the driver do with those? |
| 13:54:14 | amiconn | Global shades is independent of that |
| 13:54:34 | pixelma | I thought about the parser and maybe checkwps (and more about the other way round). If you don't do that you have to take care if "shade" 1 is meant for greyscale or for monochrome |
| 13:54:51 | pixelma | otherwise you'd get grey on black themes etc. |
| 13:55:56 | pixelma | I know it's independent but also driver work I guess, hence I said "motivating" |
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| 15:22:11 | philippp | Hi. Is there anyone who knows anyting about the status of creative Zen porting? |
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| 15:45:36 | bertrik | try http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZEN |
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| 15:50:31 | sevenfourk | hello people! I'm looking for scrobbler.log example/sample, how the file format looks ? Thanks. Ivan |
| 15:52:00 | AlexP | probably easiest just to turn on scrobbling then look at the file it produces |
| 15:53:48 | soap | irc://irc.audioscrobbler.com/#audioscrobbler |
| 15:53:49 | sevenfourk | The thing is my java based old nokia 6151 doesn't scrobble by itself, tired of looking some java app to do scrobbling, mobscrob failed for my cellular |
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| 16:48:51 | gevaerts | huh? How does that happen? |
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| 17:01:17 | preglow | gevaerts: wish i knew |
| 17:02:13 | preglow | sometimes, other tracks also start playing via the default music player activity |
| 17:02:26 | preglow | totally unrelated to what i'm doing |
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| 17:11:15 | * | kugel has neither of that problems |
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| 17:11:23 | kugel | and I use the rockbox app every day |
| 17:11:36 | zeef | is anybody here that can help me with install ? cant get the think working |
| 17:11:49 | zeef | thing* |
| 17:12:26 | zeef | would greatly appreciate it |
| 17:13:23 | notlistening | which player zeef? |
| 17:14:00 | zeef | damned |
| 17:14:03 | zeef | i know the reason |
| 17:14:10 | zeef | doesnt work on ipod classic, does it ? |
| 17:14:25 | notlistening | No. not to my knowledge |
| 17:14:27 | zeef | any alternative for playing flac on ipod classic ? |
| 17:14:29 | notlistening | othersie i'd have one :D |
| 17:17:04 | notlistening | seem converting to ALAC is your best bet |
| 17:17:12 | notlistening | no flac support is possible |
| 17:18:28 | zeef | ok thanks |
| 17:18:38 | zeef | know a good converter for doing that in bulk ? |
| 17:18:51 | notlistening | you using windows? |
| 17:18:51 | zeef | that you dont have to do directory per directory |
| 17:18:53 | zeef | yup |
| 17:19:22 | notlistening | no sorry i converted to Linux about 7 years ago and do not use Windows anynire |
| 17:19:36 | AlexP | Keep on topic please |
| 17:19:43 | AlexP | Rockbox stuff only in here |
| 17:19:53 | zeef | thanks anyway |
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| 17:19:59 | notlistening | Sorry AlexP |
| 17:20:03 | AlexP | no worries :) |
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| 17:33:47 | preglow | kugel: what phone? |
| 17:33:53 | preglow | i'm on a legend |
| 17:33:57 | kugel | htc legend |
| 17:34:00 | preglow | hrm |
| 17:34:24 | preglow | btw, any reason the rockbox amp control and the android native one aren't mirroring each other? |
| 17:35:12 | kugel | the android one is global, the rockbox one is only for rockbox |
| 17:36:00 | preglow | the android one decides volume for all media apps, rite? |
| 17:36:11 | kugel | yes |
| 17:36:28 | preglow | then why not use that? we're a media app |
| 17:36:52 | kugel | we do use that, don't we? |
| 17:37:16 | preglow | oh we do, but i have to use both that one and the rockbox one to adjust the volume to max, for example |
| 17:37:33 | preglow | would be cool if the rockbox volume control just was the android media volume control |
| 17:37:50 | kugel | is that a problem? you can set the rockbox one to max once and only use the global one after that (the way I do it) |
| 17:38:04 | preglow | rockbox consistently forgets its settings here |
| 17:38:08 | preglow | so i have to do that each time |
| 17:38:23 | kugel | your phone seems messed up |
| 17:38:33 | kugel | settings work just fine here |
| 17:38:49 | preglow | nothing special about it, newly reset, rockbox app form your site |
| 17:38:56 | preglow | so unless that has been updated very recently |
| 17:39:03 | kugel | you should install from source |
| 17:39:19 | preglow | meh |
| 17:39:22 | kugel | i don't know how old the one on my site is, nor if it's even in a workable state |
| 17:39:35 | kugel | working* |
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| 17:39:52 | preglow | it works fine enough if i never background it |
| 17:40:13 | kugel | I've not updated the apks on my site since ages |
| 17:40:30 | preglow | but yeah, i'll have to install the android sdk shit on my linux install to roll my own, so guess i'll have to wait a while |
| 17:40:57 | kugel | I can upload new ones later this day if you like |
| 17:41:06 | preglow | well, would certainly be nice :) |
| 17:42:00 | preglow | drop me a line here when it's done and i'll update |
| 17:45:16 | notlistening | the apk runs very nicely on the Dell Streak |
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| 17:45:23 | notlistening | just so you know |
| 17:45:29 | notlistening | then ones from the wiki |
| 17:45:30 | kugel | nice to hear |
| 17:46:07 | notlistening | Good job |
| 17:46:30 | preglow | kugel: btw, did you manage to work around the buggy background task stuff in 2.1 android? |
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| 18:00:31 | wodz | pixelma: I saw in log you wanted me to look at something |
| 18:02:15 | kugel | preglow: no, I think it's impossible |
| 18:02:37 | kugel | it's not a 2.1 bug, it's a htc bug |
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| 18:32:50 | noamsml | Hm, this is odd |
| 18:33:09 | noamsml | On my sansa e200, when I try to copy a folder onto it, it becomes unwritable |
| 18:33:19 | noamsml | But I can write on it again when I remount it |
| 18:33:54 | noamsml | Wait, no |
| 18:34:02 | noamsml | It's just one specific folder |
| 18:34:04 | noamsml | Weeeird |
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| 18:34:58 | noamsml | OK |
| 18:35:06 | noamsml | There's some sort of odd damage to the FS |
| 18:36:16 | noamsml | If I try to ls one of the foldes (Enya-The Celts), which is supposedly empty, it goes nuts |
| 18:37:48 | noamsml | Huh, I managed to delete it from the player and now everything seems to work just fine |
| 18:37:52 | noamsml | Odd |
| 18:38:16 | ender` | do a fsck/chkdsk just to be sure |
| 18:38:34 | noamsml | OK, one sec |
| 18:39:10 | ender` | back in the day, the screenshot feature of rockbox could BSOD windows :) |
| 18:39:15 | noamsml | "There are differences between boot sector and its backup" <−− is that normal? |
| 18:39:44 | ender` | (it created files that had identical short names) |
| 18:39:55 | ender` | <noamsml> "There are differences between boot sector and its backup" <−− is that normal? <- it's not unusual |
| 18:43:14 | noamsml | Grr |
| 18:43:17 | noamsml | I think it's stuck |
| 18:44:28 | noamsml | I tried playing a file and it just keeps saying "Loading" |
| 18:47:58 | noamsml | ender`: Do you know of any way to force-reboot it other than unscrewing the case and temoving the battery? |
| 18:48:34 | ender` | most players have some way to hard reset them - look in the wiki |
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| 19:21:38 | gevaerts | noamsml: hold the power button long enough |
| 19:22:28 | noamsml | gevaerts: Thanks, I figured it out |
| 19:22:35 | noamsml | Still not sure what caused the crash |
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| 20:15:36 | kugel | preglow: new built is up |
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| 20:33:20 | lars_g | Hi rockboxers |
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| 20:46:10 | bluebrother | hmm, is voice file creation not using the multithreading implementation? |
| 20:46:17 | bluebrother | (in Rockbox Utility that is) |
| 20:48:16 | preglow | kugel: same url, ye? |
| 20:50:57 | preglow | kugel: cheers mate, already seems to work better :) |
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| 20:57:10 | skfunnyboy_ | anyone know how to use embios? |
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| 21:13:35 | bluebrother | hmm, doesn't look like limiting the number of threads used for voice creation works as expected? |
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| 21:22:38 | saratoga | bluebrother: did you see my message last night? |
| 21:23:37 | gevaerts | 28! |
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| 22:02:04 | bluebrother | saratoga: yes. We can do a new release soon. I'd really like to get that TTS issue addressed first though. |
| 22:02:23 | bluebrother | that's why I'm looking into that multithreading thing in voice file creation right now. |
| 22:03:44 | bluebrother | however, if I don't figure it this weekend we can make a release nevertheless. It's a known bug and it only affects voice file creation. It's not really great but shouldn't prevent a new release from happening, especially considering the updated to the patchers. |
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| 22:21:18 | Bagder | I got a suggestion today to ask http://translatewiki.net/ about help and volunteers for translations to Rockbox |
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| 22:27:08 | b0hoon | Hi. Can i have admin rights on the FS? |
| 22:28:20 | Bagder | sure |
| 22:29:03 | Bagder | don't you already? |
| 22:29:30 | b0hoon | hum? |
| 22:30:03 | b0hoon | ouch, someone gave me already, thanks |
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| 22:34:36 | wodz | considering new release - I don't think we should release until theme engine stabilizes a bit |
| 22:35:31 | skfunnyboy_ | hey do you think its possible to run rockbox with ibugger or embios on the nano 4g ? |
| 22:36:10 | wodz | skfunnyboy_: If you port rockbox to 4g than yes |
| 22:36:41 | skfunnyboy_ | and how can i do this ? any volunteers ? |
| 22:36:57 | Bagder | if you do it, you are the volunteer! |
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| 22:37:23 | wodz | skfunnyboy_: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/NewPort |
| 22:41:07 | CIA-81 | New commit by bluebrother (r28106): Display number of processors in System Info dialog. ... |
| 22:43:10 | CIA-81 | r28106 build result: All green |
| 22:50:14 | CIA-81 | New commit by bluebrother (r28107): Display number of processors in System Info dialog. ... |
| 22:52:02 | CIA-81 | r28107 build result: All green |
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| 23:23:19 | leavittx | what happened to mktccboot? |
| 23:23:55 | bluebrother | what should have happened to it? |
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| 23:29:39 | leavittx | bluebrother: it moved to rbutil :) |
| 23:31:04 | bluebrother | that's been almost a year now :) |
| 23:32:11 | leavittx | bluebrother: all this time i used an old bootloader and it works now too :) |
| 23:32:33 | leavittx | what is the correct way to build something from rbutil dir outside the rockbox directory? |
| 23:32:53 | bluebrother | you can build the patchers in-tree just fine. |
| 23:33:14 | bluebrother | (same as with the tools in tools/) |
| 23:33:26 | leavittx | and how to build rbutilqt? |
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| 23:33:39 | bluebrother | which platform you're using? |
| 23:33:46 | leavittx | linux |
| 23:33:52 | leavittx | in-tree too? |
| 23:34:00 | bluebrother | cd rbutil/rbutilqt && qmake-qt4 && make |
| 23:34:08 | bluebrother | you don't need to build it in-tree though. |
| 23:34:26 | bluebrother | mkdir build; qmake-qt4 ../rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt.pro && make |
| 23:34:38 | leavittx | cool :) |
| 23:35:07 | bluebrother | or use utils/common/deploy-rbutil.py -d (though that will create you a tarball out of it for releasing) |
| 23:35:07 | Stummi | hm, on submit-form for an patch on flyspray was a foot-note which suggests to discuss the patch on irc.. so i will just do ist :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11632 |
| 23:35:19 | Stummi | *it |
| 23:35:46 | leavittx | bluebrother: thanks! |
| 23:36:20 | bluebrother | Stummi: does rockboy even support audio playback while running? |
| 23:36:50 | bluebrother | leavittx: you're welcome (and prepare that rbutil/ might get moved some time too :) |
| 23:37:55 | Stummi | bluebrother, how i wrote: I only do have an sansa fuze v2. There is it not possible, because it says there is not enought memory for rockboy where i playing music... i am thinking it should be possible on a player with more memory |
| 23:38:09 | leavittx | also, what is the reason why keyboard controls not work anymore in simulator (cowon d2 one)? |
| 23:38:16 | Stummi | s/where/while |
| 23:39:01 | bluebrother | how much memory does the Fuzev2 have? |
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| 23:41:02 | Stummi | hm, i don't know exactly. Where can I see this? |
| 23:43:56 | bluebrother | oh, only 2 MiB according to tools/configure |
| 23:44:13 | * | bluebrother though the fuze had more memory but likely mixed that up with fuzev1 |
| 23:45:25 | kugel | bluebrother: it tools/configure shows 8MB (and it's correct) |
| 23:45:44 | amiconn | Stummi: Music playback in rockboy isn't safely possible |
| 23:46:07 | * | bluebrother can't read |
| 23:46:14 | leavittx | in case of window zoom > 1, i'm not able to control the simulator at all :( |
| 23:46:20 | amiconn | (1) Rockboy uses the audio buffer for loading game roms. (2) Rockboy uses pcm itself |
| 23:46:50 | bluebrother | ok, reading the wrong line usually results in wrong information :o |
| 23:49:58 | amiconn | On targets with 8MB or less it's loaded as an overlay as well, meaning the plugin code itself also resides in the audio buffer |
| 23:51:28 | Stummi | ok, than it would be better to leave out the playback control at all? |
| 23:53:26 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:55:05 | amiconn | The savegame stuff is probably fine; can't really comment on it because I don't use rockboy for real |
| 23:55:29 | Stummi | ok |
| 23:56:43 | Stummi | Than i have to see how to get a standalone volume control in a menu |
| 23:58:34 | amiconn | The plugin api has sound_set(), sound_max() and sound_min() |
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