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#rockbox log for 2010-09-21

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00:00:14kugelthe load_code api is open for codecs&plugins, if you get the compilation right you can just load the library on runtime
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00:02:09notlisteningwill plugins be available on Android..?
00:02:28Zagornotlistening: not decided yet
00:02:38notlisteningfair enough
00:02:56amiconnMost plugins don't really make sense in raaa. Some do though (e.g. PF)
00:03:17notlisteninglol i want doom :D
00:03:25kugelwhich you can have without rockbox
00:03:36notlisteningreally :P opps
00:03:42kugelmany of our plugins are ported to android already
00:03:50notlisteningI see
00:03:50CIA-81New commit by zagor (r28129): Added some missing build information.
00:04:09kugelthere's no technical reason to exclude plugins. making them work for all the screen resolutions is just a lot of work
00:04:36CIA-81New commit by zagor (r28130): Stricter subst to avoid erroneous substitution.
00:04:47notlisteningdid you manage to make a dynamic resizing work..?
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00:05:08amiconnActually a similar problem as optimisation for different arm versions
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00:05:19kugelnotlistening: no
00:05:28kugelI haven't even tried though
00:05:37CIA-81r28129 build result: All green
00:05:55notlisteningkugel, oh not what the wiki said :P
00:06:04amiconn(doesn't just apply to libdemac)
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00:07:22CIA-81r28130 build result: All green
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00:09:15notlisteningI just read take it back ;_
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00:15:32*kugel doesn't understand the logic to play the selected track in the playlist viewer
00:16:33*kugel doesn't understand the logic in the playlist viewer
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00:20:59kugeloh, enlightenment!
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00:24:43kugelour list code documentation is horrible
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01:10:24CIA-81New commit by kugel (r28131): Fix a bug in playlist viewer's list handling, causing superfluous redraws and ...
01:12:02CIA-81r28131 build result: All green
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02:18:45*kugel has nice scrolling on touchscreen working
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02:20:48kugelif anyone wants to have a play:
02:21:35JdGordon|oh, proper touch scrolling?
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02:23:01kugelno acceleration or kenitic'ism though (yet)
02:23:04JdGordon|do a 480x800 apk please?
02:25:54kugeland still line based of course :P
02:27:16kugelJdGordon|: up at the usual url
02:27:23JdGordon|which is?
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03:01:05JdGordon|which is?
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03:27:15DemonXI'm trying to install Rockbox on an iPod Nano 1g, and it is producing the error "Partition not found. Connect usb cable and fix it". I have looked over the site and have not been able to find an answer. Is there any way that I can get rockbox working on my iPod?
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03:43:47JdGordon|DemonX: is it windows formatted?
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03:44:22DemonXI messed around, added partitions, restored in iTunes multiple times
03:44:56DemonX1.3.1 OF, using stable 3.6 for installing rockbox, using RockboxUtility
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04:22:22alexbobPis there a way to increase the maximum volume in rockbox?
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07:02:26mundoChanServ: hi
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07:06:29mundoanyone here?
07:09:40JdGordon|if you have a question just ask, if you dont then read the guidlines link in the topic
07:11:57mundooh hi
07:12:08mundoya, I can not download sansa clip
07:12:18mundoeverything else work just fine, except sansa
07:12:30mundosansa clip I mean
07:13:05mundoif you have the file, can you host/up it somewhere?
07:13:59mundo>"< I prefer the stable version - first time I rock any box
07:15:36JdGordon|well the clip doesnt have a stable version
07:15:47JdGordon|if it did that link you posted would work
07:16:42mundohmm, in the homepage it says Clip v1 does have stable
07:17:01JdGordon|Zagor, hopefully you read the logs :) was the clipv1 stable in 3.6? it looks like byhand.cgi is generating bad links?
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07:17:43factorcool getting my sansa fuze cabel to work with my mini projector. and found this firmware stuff
07:17:45mundomine is clip v1
07:17:48factorcable. ^
07:18:14JdGordon|mundo: yes, the clipv1 wasnt stable when 3.6 was released
07:18:29factorhow can I check what version of fuze I have.
07:18:48JdGordon|check the firmware version
07:19:10factorhow do I check the firmware version?
07:19:26mundowhich one? fuze v1 or v2?
07:19:38factorI dont know which
07:20:17factorhow do I upload the firmware?
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07:20:46mundogo to the manual -> installation, there should be a way to say which is which
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07:23:20factorThanks version 2.03.31A
07:23:31mc2739mundo: there is no stable release for clip yet
07:23:57factormine is Fuze v2
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07:24:27factorhas anyone gotten a usb keyboard / terminal connection
07:25:26mundono idea what it is :(
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07:25:45factorto use the sansa fuze as a terminal
07:26:03factorcheck cpuinfo by typing cat /dev/cpuinfo etc.
07:26:21factorWhat is the chipset of the fuze?
07:27:09mundowow, fuze runs GNU/Linux?
07:27:29factorcan you flash the original fuze back on
07:29:34factorcan you flash the original or get the original firmware?
07:29:59factoror save the original firmware?
07:30:24factorhow do I save the original fw
07:30:41JdGordon|read the manual's installation section
07:30:59factorI see where rockbox let you bot between it and the original firmware.
07:32:02JdGordon|bah, you dont need to do anything, the sansa firmware is never removed
07:32:31factoroh ok
07:33:03mundoHey Gordon
07:33:14mundois there anyway I can create playlist on my PC
07:33:28mundoand put it into my clip?
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07:33:39scorcherockbox will read standard m3u playlists
07:34:04mundoor only in some specific playlist folder?
07:34:25scorchewell, the playlist has to be on the device and has to contain the correct paths according to how m3u works
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07:34:49mundothat's all I need :) thank you good sir
07:35:37factorDoes the audio / video pinouts work on rockbox?
07:35:50scorchethat depends
07:35:51JdGordon|audio should, video no
07:36:16factorI would love to make a presenter app for it.
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07:36:26scorcheno one is stopping you ;)
07:37:10factorwould be nice if the video pins where active. will be neat never the less
07:37:27JdGordon|does it even have vieo out?
07:37:37factormine does
07:38:10factorI just bought the video out cable for it. it said sansa fuze specifically
07:38:10mundoGood night ppl
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07:39:01factorwill make some converter for power point to photo images per slide initially.
07:39:35factorbut rockbox would let me change and add a presentation option.
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07:40:26factori.e add the conversion inside the fuze.
07:40:48factorhaving a built in converter for video would be nice as well.
07:41:03factorcan rockbox run ffmpeg?
07:41:21factorany effort to do that?
07:41:31scorchethere isnt really a good reason to...
07:41:39factorwhy is that?
07:42:11factorI would like to store the original video on the fuze and have a .fuze version as well for local viewing.
07:42:46scorchethese do not have the most powerful would be far more time-efficient to get to a computer, convert, and copy back
07:43:18factortrue but if you have no other option
07:44:19scorchethen it still would probably save time to drive somewhere for 20 minutes, convert, transfer, and drive back for another 20 minutes
07:44:21factorI dont have a laptop but usually need the videos copied over on demand ,no real time to covert them.
07:45:18factorthe other option is to add a auto conversion option to abby.
07:48:34factorok will be back later , rockbox is neat will try it out.
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09:27:14JdGordon|Zagor: hey, dunno if you saw above, there is either a problem with the byhand.cgi script, or with people saying ports are stable before a release has been built for them?
09:30:11Zagorhmm, yeah the script assumes stable builds have been released. I thought that was a principle we had?
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09:31:05JdGordon|probably. It really doesnt make sense to put it in the stable area untill it has had a release, so maybe it just needs a reminder
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09:40:06Zagorkugel: is there a reason the (empty) gen/org/rockbox dir is version controlled?
09:40:22kugelJdGordon|: have you tried the build?
09:40:48JdGordon|yeah, scrolling is still a bit awkward, but better
09:41:26JdGordon|the way its drawn makes it feel laggy, but meh
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09:42:33*JdGordon| needs to get his keyboard navigation patch checked in
09:43:47kugelZagor: I guess because git doesn't handle directories
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09:44:28Zagorkugel: huh? I mean it's only an output dir, isn't it? and you explicitly create it in android.make. so it's not really needed in svn?
09:44:48kugelyes it isn't
09:44:56Zagorok, good
09:45:39funmanFS #11621 - Website doesn't distinguish between "stable" and "released" targets
09:45:43kugelI added accidentally, but deleting it yesterday didn't remove the dir (i thought it would)
09:46:27ZagorI'm just polishing the makefile a bit
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09:49:04kugel JdGordon| yea, because everything is still line based
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09:50:28pixelmaJdGordon|, Zagor: I believe there even is a bug reoport for the stable ports and the release script thing. IIRC opened by gevaerts not too long ago
09:50:47JdGordon|I tihnk funman just linked to it :)
09:51:14JdGordon|but I tinhk the problem is more than we shouldnt be calling ports stable untill a release has been done for it anyway
09:51:17pixelmaah, should have read all the way to the end... :|
09:51:27gevaertsYes. Formalising "no stable promotions outside release time' would be a fix though
09:55:26JdGordon|would this Codec2 thing be useful for our voicefiles?
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09:56:05Zagorkugel: what's the story with renaming to in the apk?
09:57:17Zagorsome sort of workaround for apkbuilder limitations? files are the only extra files in an apk
09:57:46b0hoonpixelma: translation committed in r28105 looks ok to me.
09:58:13Zagorkugel: ok
09:58:25pixelmab0hoon: thanks for checking :)
09:58:31kugel(which you can access with file i/o spo)
10:00:07pixelmakugel: what was the story about the list you posted yesterday (pastie link) about some SVN ignore or somesuch, what should be done with it?
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10:01:46kugeladding them to svn ignore would be nice
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10:02:39pixelmais this a file somewhere?
10:02:55pixelmaprobably not
10:03:09funmansvn pe svn:ignore
10:03:25kugelI don't know actually
10:03:30funmanin git it's a file, definitely simpler ;)
10:03:48pixelmaah, so it's an SVN property
10:03:53funmanpixelma: svn pe svn:ignore folder/
10:06:58pixelmaok, I'll look into it later today
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10:19:21funmanJdGordon|: ping
10:19:44funmancan you look at do_setting_from_menu() : oldval is unused
10:20:33JdGordon|oh right! I had an obvjection with your email
10:20:44JdGordon|specifically that unused vars are a sure sign of a bug...
10:21:07JdGordon|they are *probably* bugs, but just as likely missing or not fully implemented features :)
10:21:08funmanthey are sure a worth warning at least, i fixed an android bug thanks to them
10:21:30funmanif this missing or incomplete feature is not documented it's a bug in itself
10:22:02JdGordon|fair enough :) yeah that one can just be removed
10:22:14kugelfunman: what Android bug?
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10:23:14kugeloh right
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10:25:50CIA-81New commit by funman (r28132): parse_sap_header(): remove write-only variable
10:25:54CIA-81New commit by funman (r28133): lang_load(): ignore unused field from the lang file
10:26:20JdGordon|does that break lang compatability?
10:27:44CIA-81r28132 build result: All green
10:27:52funmanno but we could remove that from the format if breaking compatibility is ok
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10:29:19CIA-81r28133 build result: All green
10:29:50funmanthe warning in selection_to_val() is ony because of ASCENDING_INT_SETTING #ifdef
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10:32:51CIA-81New commit by funman (r28134): eq menu: remove write-only variable present since r8606
10:34:30CIA-81r28134 build result: All green
10:34:55funmanJdGordon: did you try this Codec2 ?
10:35:35JdGordNo. Just read the /. Articfle and its site
10:36:01JdGordSeems like rockbox would be an ideal testbed for it
10:36:10funmanthe bitrate is very low, it makes me doubt it would be suitable
10:36:33JdGordWell half oglf it anyway
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10:54:11funmananother bug: graphical eq doesn't speak changes
10:59:29CIA-81New commit by funman (r28135): playback_callback(): remove write-only old_repeat_mode ...
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11:01:13CIA-81r28135 build result: All green
11:02:15funmanJdGordon: so what about do_setting_from_menu() ?
11:02:32JdGordRemove it
11:03:35pixelmafunman: I *believe* sound settings don't speak changes on purpose so that you can hear the effect. Or do you mean only when leaving the screen?
11:04:02funmanpixelma: i'm not sure but i see the unit being changed is tracked in "voice_unit", presumably to be spoken
11:04:24CIA-81New commit by funman (r28136): do_setting_from_menu(): remove write-only variables
11:04:37JdGordIirc voice doesn't work in low latency mode? Or something like that which is needed for those settings?
11:04:52funmanlow latency?
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11:06:05CIA-81r28136 build result: All green
11:06:08JdGordPcmbuf or something. On phone so can't get the actual name :)
11:06:30pixelmaso that you can hear the sound changes immediately
11:06:55pixelmaI'd be actually annoyed when voice would always tell me -40dB, -41dB etc. when changing sound settings, it would be destracting
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11:08:53pixelmaand distracting
11:10:04CIA-81New commit by funman (r28137): eq menu: remove write-only variable
11:12:38Zagorfunman: nice widget
11:12:41CIA-81r28137 build result: All green
11:12:57funmanit's on
11:15:27LinusNfunman: cool!!!
11:15:48wodzehh - today is a black day - my HD200 stopped connecting with USB, HD300 has broken CF core power supply step-down converter
11:16:06LinusNwodz: ouch!
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11:22:54CIA-81New commit by zagor (r28138): Polished the makefile a bit.
11:24:29CIA-81r28138 build result: All green
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11:25:13kugelZagor: I explicitly removed the zip dependency a while ago
11:25:22gevaertsfunman: that does look useful...
11:25:26Zagorkugel: oh, why?
11:25:26funmannot sure if BSS is here
11:26:01AlexPThat's cool
11:26:46gevaertsfunman: it doesn't look as if BSS is there I'd say
11:27:58JdGordonsee now that is almost useful!
11:28:03gevaertsThe total is close to our binsize numbers
11:28:19funmanbinsize is 380644 bytes
11:29:07kugelZagor: because it's always made ( see also r28068)
11:29:08JdGordonanyone want to completly redo the GUI? that ends up being maybe 65% of the apps binsize
11:29:25funmanlet's throw that and use only voice based interface
11:30:00AlexP"ipod shuffle" mode? :P
11:31:37kugelZagor: it essentially means libmisc is always extracted, which is annoying
11:31:42rasherfunman: great, now add a slider for time!
11:32:02Zagorkugel: extracted? you mean copied?
11:32:36funmanrasher: i know nothing to html & al
11:32:50Zagorit is a fabulous map just for finding your way around the code
11:32:50funmanfunman/clipv1-bloat/demo/demo.html"> < shows BSS (i think)
11:33:34kugelZagor: It's extracted at stsrtup, but only if it is newer
11:33:43funmanram usage is 617696 = 603.2kB, not 612.2kB like the thing says (rounding error?)
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11:34:00Zagorkugel: right. but I think we can assume updated android builds will have updated rockbox code 99% of the time
11:35:37kugelin fact, most of the time is only the binary changed
11:35:57Zagor"the binary"?
11:36:09Zagorohh, I'm silly
11:36:20ZagorI'm confusing the libs/zips
11:36:25Zagoryou're right
11:36:35kugellibmisc has themes&codecs
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11:37:23funmanhaving symbol names inside files would be nice too
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11:42:04funmankugel: why INT_GPIOA() doesn't have interrupt("IRQ") attribute?
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11:44:54kugelZagor: make apk will have the latest binary, making a new zip for make apk means that always has a new file stamp, and that it's always extracted. that's very annoying when during development
11:45:15Zagorkugel: I agree. I'll revert it.
11:45:49Zagorhowever we need to think if some way around this for the regular builds
11:46:07kugelcan't the build system do make zip && make apk?
11:47:40Zagoryeah I guess we do want a new zip in every build then
11:49:26kugelalternatively we could add a intelligent prerequisite for zip, but I'm not sure if it's worth it
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11:52:22giovanni_I would like to promote the ondas builds to unstable
11:53:05Zagorgiovanni_: is the TargetStatus table accurate?
11:53:49Zagorit lists many things as untested for vx767
11:54:05giovanni_Zagor: for the vx747/vx777 yes it is
11:54:24giovanni_don't know about vx767
11:55:13Zagorso we still don't have access to the internal storage?
11:55:34giovanni_only SD
11:56:43wodzas far as I remember there is problem that we don't know FTL OF uses
11:57:15giovanni_yes, mcuelenaere knows about this kind of things
11:57:26funmankugel: ah only irq_handler() needs this
11:58:13Zagorgiovanni_: but the vx747/777 boots to the sdcard and works as normal against it?
11:59:43kugelfunman: I guess I just forgot about adding it when I moved the function
11:59:45giovanni_can't understand what you mean... rockbox boots from the sd card
12:00:13Zagorgiovanni_: I'm just asking if it is generally usable for non-devs
12:00:34giovanni_oh yes, I'm not a dev
12:00:50Zagorthen I guess I agree with you
12:00:54giovanni_users just needed an sd card
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12:02:21funmankugel: nope none of the others functions need it
12:02:30funmanthey are normal functions called from irq_handler()
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14:13:39ClashTheBunnyI was just stopping by to see if I could get my Wiki account approved
14:14:24ClashTheBunnyWell, added to the WikiUsersGroup. I am RandallMason on the wiki.
14:14:52ClashTheBunnyI would like to edit the MPEGPlayer page to include the latest version of VLC's transcode options.
14:15:11GodEaterClashTheBunny: one second
14:15:14ClashTheBunnyurl has changed to dst for the destination file and −−sout is now :sout.
14:15:20ClashTheBunnyOh, thanks.
14:17:45GodEaterdoes Randal really have two 'l' in it?
14:17:59GodEaterbecause the wiki doesn't think you exist
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14:18:51ClashTheBunnyMy Randall does :-)
14:19:04GodEatercan you give me the url to your wiki page then ?
14:21:19ClashTheBunnyI'm really sorry, NoScript was messing with the reg page.
14:22:23GodEaterok - you're golden now :D
14:23:59ClashTheBunnyThanks so much.
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15:36:25wodzWhat is our policy about typedef? Do we remove typedefs from imported code?
15:37:09gevaertsWe tend not to touch imported code too much
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15:39:14wodzI was thinking about adding support for png in core (to solve problem of gigant theme files for Raaa) and code from apps/plugings/imageviewer/png is heavly typedefed
15:43:16*AlexP asks wodz the question he is sure to get before very long
15:43:20AlexPHow big is it?
15:43:30wodzbig what?
15:43:54AlexPbinsize increase of png in core
15:44:12wodzdunno - it just an idea currently :-)
15:44:22wodzs/it/it is/
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15:55:19pixelmait's unpredictable how much themes as png save, depending how the image is made and what it shows. It also only saves storage wise as far as I understand, not when loaded
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15:57:01pixelmaor better: "the images are" and "what they show"
15:59:37pixelmaI doubt you gain much, someone could try though
15:59:56wodzsum of object sizes compiled for ipod video is 56kB, there is some plugin specific stuff in this so I estimate ~50kB binsize delta
16:00:22wodzhaving patch to try doesn't harm I would say
16:01:03pixelmaI don't mean a patch at the moment. Just saving the BMPs of some themes as PNGs
16:01:20wodzthe easiest test is to take cabbiev2 for big sizes and compress it
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16:04:54pixelmaanother downside I guess is that PNGs would need to be uncompressed when the theme loads and even if it doesn't take too long it can add a noticeable delay to boot time
16:07:17wodzon 1GHz smartphone I think this is not the problem
16:08:46gevaertsNot all smartphones are 1GHz :)
16:09:43wodzfor cabbiev2 320x480x16 compressing graphics to png reduce size from 937326 bytes to 158085 (almost 6 times smaller)
16:10:31gevaertsThat's still storage space. Is 700K storage space woth 60K RAM?
16:11:16wodzIf we choose to support multiple resolutions I think its worth
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16:12:14wodzfor regular DAPs I don't see any benefit
16:13:03MatthewWilkesHy guys, I'm considering buying a new iPod/music player and I'd be interested in putting RockBox on it, are all of the themes, or are there others lurking around the internet?
16:13:23pixelmaI guess storage is not that important here, more bandwidth when downloading the app
16:13:55Zagorcrazy idea: how about adding an online theme browser/downloader to the android port
16:14:05wodzkugel mentioned once that some android devices are quite tight in storage space
16:14:12AlexPMatthewWilkes: They are the ones we know about, no idea if others have some somewhere
16:14:36pixelmaMatthewWilkes: I don't know. But it's relatively easy to make your own
16:15:49MatthewWilkesAlexP: Ok, I only ask because from what I've seen of the latest iPods they have a pretty damn sexy UI, and that page looked a little disappointing tbh
16:16:02AlexPYou can always make your own
16:16:08AlexPThese are all user contributed
16:16:31gevaertsMatthewWilkes: we don't run on the latest ipods anyway, so that's a false comparison :)
16:16:50Zagorwe're programmers, not turtleneck designers ;)
16:17:16MatthewWilkesZagor: hehe :)
16:17:22MatthewWilkesgevaerts: Oh, don't you?
16:17:39MatthewWilkesI haven't used an iPod in quite a few generations, is 5G not the current?
16:17:43AlexPMatthewWilkes: See
16:18:09AlexPMatthewWilkes: Er, no - Nano is on the 5th gen by now, the big one has 3 gens of classic I think
16:18:15AlexPWe are a few generations behind
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16:18:59MatthewWilkesSorry, I don't know what you mean by classic - hmm - this makes the choice harder then
16:19:36AlexPit is the model name of newer big ipods
16:20:37Zagorit's a jungle. and that page doesn't even include their latest models.
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16:25:16MatthewWilkesriight, ok
16:25:54MatthewWilkesSo, no full size iPods within the last 4 years, basically?
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16:27:21Zagorwell, 3 years
16:27:25Zagorbut yeah
16:28:27MatthewWilkessure, ok, in that case, is there any supported player that's particularly popular?
16:28:42MatthewWilkesI was only thinking iPod for the pretty, I'd rather have FLAC playback than pretty
16:29:45gevaertsI'd say the most popular recent target is probably the Sansa Fuze
16:30:06AlexPThe current ones are really just the fuze and clip+ I think (?)
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16:34:04MatthewWilkeshmm, ok, thanks, seems to be reasonably priced
16:34:13MatthewWilkesSomething to think about, anyway :)
16:35:06gevaertsThere were some on woot yesterday :)
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16:36:14MatthewWilkesgevaerts: I live in Germany, I'd guess it would be cheaper/easier to buy here than deal with customs
16:36:19MatthewWilkesThat, or wait for the SoC mentor summit ;)
16:37:21pixelmayou're going to the summit?
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16:38:16MatthewWilkesYeah, I'm org admin for Plone, you rockbox lot are quite visible in #gsoc so it has been in the back of my mind to try it out for a while
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16:49:29BagderMatthewWilkes: gevaerts and scorche are going there from our camp methinks
16:49:55MatthewWilkesBagder: Ah, cool, I assumed scorche would be
16:50:05MatthewWilkesDon't think I've met gevaerts
16:50:25gevaertsI haven't been there before
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17:28:43engwanHi, how can i flash rockbox into a iRiver h120 with a broken hdd?
17:29:34engwando i need to buy another hdd? or can i just buy the ide to cf adapter and use a cf card? Does the CF adapter work even with stock firmware?
17:29:54AlexPengwan: I don't think you can, you need to get into Rockbox (from disk) in order to use Rockbox to flash Rockbox to flash
17:30:02AlexPBut without a disk, what is the point?
17:30:05AlexPOh, CF
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17:30:33AlexPDoes either Rockbox or the OF not immediately work with CF?
17:31:00engwani read that the CF works with rockbox, not sure with the OF
17:31:15AlexPCF with Rockbox in general is fine
17:31:30engwanthats why i asked.. coz if OF doesnt work then i have to buy an HDD just to flash to rockbox
17:31:32engwanthen use CF
17:31:40engwanwaste of money for HDD just to flash
17:31:47AlexPBut to install Rockbox, the OF needs to read the patched OF from disk
17:31:55AlexPIf it can use CF, then OK
17:31:58engwanyeah, thats my problem
17:32:02AlexPBut I haven't tried this myself
17:32:08engwanhas anyone tried using CF with OF?
17:32:32engwanso i can read the patched firmware from the cf card, and install rockbox
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17:37:52evilnick_Bengwan: Check the forums
17:39:20engwani did.. most of the mods there were done with players which already have rockbox on them, so detecting the CF wasnt much of a problem
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17:54:08HaimNHow long sansa fuze v2 will be stable?
17:54:40HaimNit's safe to install it now?
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18:08:45GottwikAnybody who can modify rockbox?
18:11:51LloreanDepending on what you're looking for someone to do, that could both be a ridiculously low amount or a ridiculously high amount or anywhere in between. Just saying "I have money, anybody here program" isn't likely to get you a lot of good responses though.
18:12:12GottwikHello Llorean
18:12:47GottwikWe would like rockbox to make a sansa clip work as audio tour device
18:13:04Gottwikbasically remove 90% of features like settings or browsing songs
18:14:06Gottwikdevice would turn on, select language, select sight and listen. this plus volume control
18:15:20Gottwikmy guess would be that modifying menu structure would be most of the work
18:15:21LloreanThat's something well within the possibility of doing. Sometimes people show up with offers of cash and crazy requests. I'd honestly suggest sending the idea to the rockbox development mailing list though
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18:15:41LloreanIt will be much more likely more people will see your request.
18:16:16GottwikI've sent an email to the developer mailing list over a week ago with no response
18:16:31Torneyou have? i didn't see one.
18:16:35LloreanNor I.
18:16:46Tornewhat was the subject/sender?
18:16:47Gottwikwrong address maybe?
18:17:11Gottwiksubject is Business offer for a rockbox developer
18:17:18LloreanDid you sign up for the list first?
18:17:21Torneare you subscribed to the list?
18:17:22rasherGottwik: You need to be subscribed or the mailing list software won't let it through
18:17:32Tornerasher: it should send a bounce, though, no?
18:17:42Gottwikoh, that would explain things
18:17:48rasherTorne: those are easily overlooked these days
18:17:58Gottwikprobably spam filter got the bounce
18:18:39Gottwikwould anybody be interested or should i subscribe and send the email one more time?
18:19:10Torneif it's just a one time thing, that you basically want a single custom build with almost all features removed
18:19:15Tornethen that's pretty easy, yes
18:19:25Torneand someone would just ahve to take the time to do it
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18:19:43Gottwikthat is correct
18:19:56Gottwikthe device would be sansa clip v2
18:20:24Tornesubscribe to the list and send it
18:20:43LloreanI'd definitely recommend sending it to the mailing list.
18:20:51Gottwikok, thank you very much
18:21:22HaimNwhem sansa fuze will be stable?
18:21:27Gottwikglad I tried the irc before opting for other solutions
18:21:38HaimNhwo long?
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18:21:49LloreanHaimN: When it happens. There is no timeline.
18:22:27HaimNLlorean: Have suggested?
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18:23:11HaimNhow stable is fuze v2 now
18:23:55LloreanI don't know how stable it is now. I don't have one.
18:24:28HaimNok, thanks!
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18:54:29kugelTorne: I think it could even be a plugin started via autorock
18:55:22kugelremoving most of the features doesn't necessarily help, it could make it worse because builds with features removed are completely untested
18:57:18Lloreankugel: You could just default it to starting in the file browser, and remove the keymaps for any buttons that take you to menus.
18:57:31LloreanThen have the only thing in the root of the player be files for each of the "locations" or whatever
18:58:53kugelI assume these "locations" should be translated, so the file browser wouldn't help then
19:00:05LloreanThat's probably not the best assumption to make
19:00:07kugelI've never used an audio guide in a museum (that's goal IIUC) so I don't kow how this works
19:00:14LloreanIf it's an audio tour, the audio will need to be in the new "translated" language anyway
19:00:19LloreanSo you'd just have a folder for each language.
19:00:51LloreanBut I admit, I'm just thinking bare bones here.
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19:01:08LloreanThey may want some advanced things, such as set tour playlists for different regions of the museum or whatever.
19:01:25LloreanEither way though, it's surely well within the capabilities of most contributors.
19:01:42kugelI think so too
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19:17:54wodzkugel: are theme graphics loaded from sd or are installed into internal memory on android?
19:18:29kugelwell, the shipped themes. other themes would be installed on the sd card
19:18:58wodzso if we support multiple resolutions build all this will be in internal storage right?
19:19:19wodzif so I think png support in core will be very interesting
19:20:16n1swodz: wouldn't something simpler like storing the themes compressed (zip) and unpacking only the one in use be as good?
19:22:51kugelwodz: it would certainly be nice
19:23:33kugelthe png plugin doesn't do greyscale yet, I think that's a problem
19:23:42wodzpng is already in rb (as part of imageviewer)
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19:24:05wodzpng doesn't make much sense for low res greyscale
19:24:58kugelbut there's jpeg for greyscale, and I guess that if we have png in core we also would like to support .png albumart
19:25:51kugel(which implies resizing on load)
19:26:13n1sis png aa used anywhere?
19:26:23kugelI've seen it
19:26:28LloreanWhy would we want .png in core when we've already got .jpg?
19:26:44LloreanIs theme size a problem on android?
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19:28:02kugelwith a single theme no, but IIUC wodz wants a resolution independant build and then a theme for each resolution
19:28:45kugeldoes anyone know if there's a technical reason we don't support jpeg for the theme images?
19:28:49AlexPWould this be disableable? The estimate of 60k in core seems quite high vs. disk space
19:29:08LloreanHow many common android resolutions are there? Would other technical measures be an alternative?
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19:30:14LloreanFor example, the backdrop is just a gradient plus a small "Rockbox" logo right? Could we add "gradient backrdops" that don't use an image (which can slim down some existing themes) and the ability to combine smaller images into backdrops via a backdrop .wps-type file that just positions them? Since most of the devices are probably decently high rez, you can reuse a lot of images for the .wps too, right, just repositioned to changed aspect ratios?
19:30:22kugelif we only use it on android we don't need it in the core, we can just use the (upstream) shared library libpng
19:30:35AlexPah, that sounds interesting
19:30:40LloreanI mean the main problem is the backdrop right now, and we're pretty limited on that anyway and could use improving (must match screen size, can't use a smaller centered image, or anything like that)
19:31:06LloreanThen again, if it's an android-only solution, it's not too big a deal I guess.
19:31:15LloreanBut I expect people will ask "why can only android use .png in themes?" pretty quickly
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19:35:23kugelit looks like all androids have a libpng already on the device but it's not available for apps
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19:54:03factorHow stable is the fuze version 2 stuff?
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19:56:04Strife89DSI have an ssh client here that I can try something with.
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20:29:53wodzcurrent png code compiled with -Os instead of -O3 gives 47kB vs 56kB
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20:43:02alexandroshi hi people
20:43:17gevaertswodz: for comparison, jpeg in core added 15KB on arm :)
20:43:17alexandrosi have a question
20:44:27alexandrosis it possible to install RB in fuze with 02.03.33 FW?
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20:44:59factor<alexandros> That is what I have, I see a unstable port for fuze v2
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20:45:09wodzgevaerts: I am inspecting the possibilities.
20:45:11gevaertsalexandros: as far as I can see, yes
20:45:28gevaertswodz: IIRC Unhelpful worked on that a *lot* before committing
20:45:50factor <−−- fuze v2
20:46:15gevaertsalexandros: you might have to use the manual install method though. Rockbox Utility may not handle the newer firmware versions yet
20:50:25gevaertsThat should be described in the manual
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20:57:52Unhelpfulgevaerts: mostly to shoehorn it into the callback API used by the scaler.
20:59:53alexandrosi need help with 2.2.3 step
21:00:19alexandrosbtw i dont have any patched.bin file
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21:00:47kugelUnhelpful: why do we still have a separate jpeg plugin and don't use the core decoder?
21:01:23Unhelpfulkugel: somebody needs to do the work, and the jpeg plugin caches files in memory, but the core decoder can only decode direct from disk.
21:02:27kugelthat's all?
21:02:45Unhelpfulpluginlib contains a decoder built from the same source that can decode from memory already, so that gets you the source consolidation. :)
21:02:53kugelpart of the embedded albumart patch is to load jpeg from ram
21:03:10amiconnwodz: Object file size doesn't tell much because of symbols etc
21:03:31Unhelpfulkugel: ...why? :P
21:03:56kugelbecause "core decoder can only decode direct from disk"
21:04:02amiconnIn order to see what it actually adds, you need to integrate it (in a preliminary way) and check the size difference after linking
21:05:01amiconnkugel: Not all builds have jpeg in core, but still have the jpeg viewer
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21:05:37kugelah yes, right
21:07:04kugelI think we should add all decoders to the core in a codec like fashion (i.e. the actual decoders are loaded at runtime)
21:08:36amiconnDo you think that's a good idea?
21:09:02amiconnYou still need to set aside a fixed buffer to load them, large enough to accomodate the biggest one
21:09:17Unhelpfulkugel: there is no good reason for embedded AA to require decode from memory. none.
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21:09:33gevaertsUnhelpful: latency!
21:09:48Unhelpfulgevaerts: it's still reading from disk first! :P
21:10:17gevaertsYes, but that's asynchronously. You don't have to wait for that when the track switches :)
21:10:22kugelUnhelpful: except the buffering code already has audio file in memory
21:10:54gevaertskugel: if the tag is at the beginning anyway
21:10:58amiconnBuffering doesn't buffer tags
21:11:01Unhelpfulkugel: is it guaranteed to have all of the needed portion in memory already? :P
21:11:28gevaertsWhat if the buffer space is smaller than the jpeg data?
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21:11:34amiconnIt reads and decodes the tags when starting to buffer the file (or even before, on swcodec)
21:12:07kugelbuffer reads the whole audio file, I don't think it strips the tags
21:12:16amiconnIt certainly does
21:12:42amiconnOtherwise one mp3 I once received would have caused a huge gap during playback on my Recorder
21:12:46Unhelpfuland it doesn't read the whole file if it's larger than the buffer. the AA reader needs to do its own reading IMO.
21:13:05amiconnThis file was 7MB in total, 4MB of that being tags including embedded aa
21:13:11Unhelpfulamiconn: what, id3v2 tag size of the buffer? ;)
21:13:20kugelnot stripping the tags doesn't mean playing them back
21:13:27amiconnUnhelpful: id3v2 several times the buffer size
21:13:53kugelbut I'm not too sure, I might be wrong
21:13:56amiconn(the very same, actually quite small, jpeg - added 100 (!) times)
21:14:02Unhelpfuldon't we also have disk-block cache? if we "just read" the tag data won't read be very very fast?
21:14:39Unhelpfulew. :/
21:14:45kugelUnhelpful: so why don't we support embedded aa it right now already?
21:15:02amiconnWe have a fat cache, and dir handles buffer a few sectors of the opened dir
21:15:02Unhelpfulkugel: somebody needs to do the work! ;)
21:15:16kugelI thought there was a larger issue?
21:15:20gevaertsUnhelpful: so all we need is basically the metadata reader telling the AA system a filename and offset?
21:15:21amiconnFile access only buffers the current sector
21:15:22Unhelpfulah, so we only cache metadata, and only a little.
21:15:49Unhelpfulgevaerts: and providing a pointer to a filter function that looks like read() but preprocesses data in a manner appropriate to the tag.
21:16:10alexandrosi double clicked mbamsboot.exe and nothing happend
21:16:40gevaertsUnhelpful: this is in case data might be escaped?
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21:16:49amiconngevaerts: yes
21:17:10Unhelpfulgevaerts: more like *because* data *will be* escaped. id3v2 is the *only* format afaik where we can know it *might* not be.
21:17:25amiconnAfaik id3v2 needs to "unsync" data (so that there is no ssequence in it that looks like an mpeg frame sync)
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21:17:35Unhelpfulfor vorbis you're supposed to base64 binary data for tags
21:17:43Unhelpfulbecause tags are required to be utf8
21:17:43kugelwhat does "escaped" mean in this context?
21:18:40gevaertsalexandros: have you tried just following the installation instructions in the manual?
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21:23:30alexandrosnow i have error from mbamsboot and it says could not open bootloader-fuze.sansa
21:23:54saratogaalexandros: post the command log
21:24:03saratogainto or
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21:26:15alexandrosi did
21:26:27alexandrosbtw im running w7
21:26:41alexandrosdoes it matters
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21:27:16AlexPhe means show us exactly what you type and what the result was by pasting the output from your command prompt into then giving us the link
21:27:45saratogaalexandros: copy and paste the complete result of what you ran into pastebin, i'll look at it, and then tell you whats wrong
21:28:23saratogacan you also do a "dir" so i can see your files?
21:28:56alexandrosu mean a screenshot?
21:29:02saratogano, "dir"
21:29:08saratogarun that command and paste the output
21:29:45saratogaby the way, did anyone get their GSOC shirts yet?
21:34:39AlexPsaratoga: nope
21:34:50saratogaok cool
21:34:55saratogai'm still bitter about not getting one in 2008
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21:38:23alexandrosok i made a pached.bin file
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21:42:13alexandrosyay i installed it
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21:44:14GuyllFyreNot sure if any admins are here who maintain the firmware downloads but there's a problem.
21:44:24GuyllFyre is not found on the server in this location.
21:44:53gevaertsYes, we know. There is no 3.6 for the sansa clip, because it wasn't stable yet when 3.6 was released
21:45:10GuyllFyreThen there should be a note of some sort for those of us attempting to install it.
21:45:14gevaertsOnly the script that builds the index page doesn't handle that case well
21:47:15GuyllFyreWell, hopefully it'll go back to original firmware without issue. Any ideas when RockBox WILL be ready for the Clip?
21:47:32AlexPIt is ready
21:47:36AlexPUse a current build
21:47:49GuyllFyreIsn't 3.6 the current build?
21:48:01AlexPno, that's the latest release
21:48:08*GuyllFyre rolls his eyes.
21:48:13AlexPThere is a new current build everytime the source is chabged
21:48:15GuyllFyreMaybe someone should jsut fix the installer.
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22:09:22bluebroth3rdomonoky: ping
22:12:06alexandroslolz when i turn off it switched back to normal menu
22:12:16saratogadoes rbutil actually try to install rockbox 3.6 to the clip, or was that guy just confused
22:13:28bluebroth3rif we have a Rockbox 3.6 release then Rockbox Utility will try to install it
22:13:43bluebroth3rIf you select to install the release of course
22:14:19saratogaso basically we need a separate list of release and stable targets?
22:14:34saratogaor i guess just not make targets stable until they're released
22:18:26bluebroth3rwe do have separate lists.
22:18:50bluebroth3rthe targets are classified as stable, unstable and unusable. That is shown in the device selection dialog in Rockbox Utility
22:19:14bluebroth3rit also checkes for the latest release available for the selected player. If there's a release then it can install the release.
22:19:37bluebroth3rthough there is currently no distinguishing done for Themes, Bootloaders, and various other additional stuff.
22:20:45bluebroth3raccording to Rockbox Utility the Clip is stable.
22:21:22gevaertsyes, and the cgis assume that stable == released
22:21:47bluebroth3rthey do? I thought the release list is statically
22:22:27gevaertsat least byhand.cgi does that
22:22:48bluebroth3rok, that explains why I saw a broken clip link earlier today
22:24:19AlexPbluebroth3r: I don't know if you saw my question yesterday - I was just wondering if there is anything holding back a rbutil release as there are more and more people with recent e.g. fuzes that it can't do
22:24:33AlexPWhich I believe is already fixed in SVN?
22:24:42bluebroth3ras for the questions about a new Rockbox Utility release: I'd really like to address FS #11496 first, but I guess it's more important to have a new release. I did a workaround (add an option to limit the threads to 1) but I can't really test taht.
22:24:57AlexPheh :)
22:25:00bluebroth3rI might just commit that and push a new release. Any ideas on that issue? domonoky?
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22:26:22AlexPbluebroth3r: My choice would be to work round it and release
22:27:03gevaertsbluebroth3r: the ipod video 64mb handling is gone in svn?
22:27:03*bluebroth3r grumbles at those weird paths on OS X
22:27:08bluebroth3rgevaerts: yes
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23:15:38bluebroth3rchanging the number of threads to 1 doesn't seem to actually change the number of threads used :(
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23:22:02*kugel notices the following limit on his phone "apps/playlist_viewer.c:#define MAX_PLAYLIST_ENTRIES 200"
23:22:33kugelrockbox can crash if you scroll very quickly in a playlist with over 200 entries
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23:30:13saratogaanyone want to comment on that guys build errors using git on the forums?
23:30:18saratogai have no idea what hes doing
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23:34:07kugelsaratoga: I suspect his checkout is broken due to the svn commit message editing, and that errors out because it asks git for the revision
23:34:19saratogaso he probably just needs to start over with SVN?
23:35:49shuffle2as far as version, `git-svn info` can probably provide what is needed...but he'd need to modify the script or smth
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