#rockbox 2010-09-25

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#rockbox log for 2010-09-25

00:00:36	*	gevaerts spots something
00:03:38	gevaerts	soap: could you try http://pastebin.com/5sTW07ex
00:03:40	gevaerts	?
00:03:47	soap	one min
00:05:45	slothearn	shuffle2: I did something fairly naughty :3
00:06:14	shuffle2	>#ps3dev
00:06:25	slothearn	they'll ban me :P
00:06:34	shuffle2	BM?
00:06:39	slothearn	testing it now
00:06:47	slothearn	loads, is backing up, etc...
00:06:55	slothearn	gotta test the real function of it next
00:07:16	shuffle2	afaik, "enabling" it is like changing 4bytes or so...
00:07:22	slothearn	yup
00:08:34	*	shuffle2 shrugs
00:08:34	slothearn	0x78, 0x78, 0x78, 0x78
00:08:34	*	gevaerts points out that this channel is about rockbox, not ps3
00:08:34	slothearn	sorrrrryyy again <3
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00:08:44	shuffle2	for the record: i don't care about BM, and i'm only here to forward people to efnet
00:11:23	slothearn	yar, joined
00:11:30	slothearn	dunno why I keep doing that here
00:11:47	AlexP	let's not discuss it, let's just keep on topic
00:11:54	slothearn	so Rockbox
00:11:57	slothearn	that's some pretty good stuff
00:11:58	soap	gevaerts, so far so good.
00:12:10	*	slothearn disappears.
00:12:16	soap	both "issues" appear fixed (fucked playback and hang on track change).
00:12:37	gevaerts	I'm actually surprised you didn't get freezes and other fun things
00:12:44	gevaerts	I mean all the time
00:12:45	soap	want me to press "add this task" anyway so you can get "credit" for killing a filed bug? ;)
00:12:58	gevaerts	don't bother
00:13:06	gevaerts	I'd have to mention it in the commit message and close it
00:13:16	AlexP	we tend to ignore ones that are opened and fixed within revisions anyway
00:13:24	AlexP	In that they don't go in the release notes
00:14:06	soap	ahh, but this is an old, but not reported, bug.
00:14:10	soap	not a new issue at all.
00:14:12	CIA-81	New commit by gevaerts (r28158): Make sure the dsp code has proper resample buffers even if HAVE_PITCHSCREEN is undefined. This makes playback work again without HAVE_PITCHSCREEN
00:14:21	gevaerts	It's not!
00:14:30	gevaerts	There is no bug involving HAVE_PITCHSCREEN!
00:14:44	AlexP	soap: Yeah, maybe - but with my simplistic searching method it wouldn't have gone in the release notes anyway :)
00:15:08	gevaerts	It wouldn't belong in the release notes anyway
00:15:14	AlexP	no indeed
00:15:23	gevaerts	undefined HAVE_PITCHSCREEN isn't a release configuration
00:15:28	AlexP	yep
00:16:11	CIA-81	r28158 build result: All green
00:16:14	soap	It will be when someone forks "Rockbox Doom Edition"
00:16:34	gevaerts	:)
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00:26:20	wodz	changing decompression lib from zlib to tinf reduces png.rock from 47kB to 26kB :-)
00:26:35	wodz	on arm
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00:41:42	shuffle2	Define this if you have a PortalPlayer PP5024 */
00:41:43	shuffle2	#define CONFIG_CPU AS3525
00:41:44	shuffle2	hmmm?
00:42:08	CIA-81	New commit by Buschel (r28159): Implement lineout en-/disable for WM8975 and activate it for iPod nano 2G.
00:43:53	CIA-81	r28159 build result: All green
00:44:23	soap	is there a question there, shuffle2?
00:45:24	shuffle2	why does it say one thing and do another?
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00:47:35	soap	which config .h?
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00:48:18	soap	It appears to be simply a misleadingly vague comment. The PP5024 in that case is on a AS3525 SoC.
00:49:05	shuffle2	sansac200v2.h
00:49:13	soap	Whereas the Sansa e200v1 I happen to be looking at now is a AS3514 / PP5024?
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00:49:47	gevaerts	It's neither misleading nor vague. It's just plain wrong :)
00:50:24	gevaerts	sansac200v2.h was probably copied from sansac200.h and then adjusted where needed, leaving some comments untouched
00:50:33	soap	yea, now that I open it and look it's wrong.
00:51:42	soap	as there is no 5024 on the v2
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01:24:56	soap	gah, is there a wikipage showing all the edits in any given timeframe?
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01:41:49	Gatz85	shuffle2, You beat me lol
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01:45:56	Gatz85	so shuffle2 would you mind give me one more hand resetDatatoggle usb_drv_recv_blocking need to be set for there chip set could you help me with this opn as3525
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03:12:35	AoEKiller	hello I would like to know if it is possible to use regexp in WPS
03:13:09	Llorean	You can't do anything other than what it explicitly says you can in the documentation.
03:13:21	AoEKiller	owww :(
03:14:16	Torne	use a regex for what?
03:15:25	AoEKiller	with folder name
03:17:24	AoEKiller	for example %d(1) = Artsist_-_Album_Name-DATE-GROUP I want to regex the folder name to get the last arg.
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03:26:18	shuffle2	as far as i can see, it's impossible to arbitrarily set device address on the as3525 usb controller...is that correct?
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03:38:55	luke	Hi Guys!
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03:40:06	Guest30334	Having some trouble compiling in Cygwin. It cant seem to have/see arm-elf-eabi-gcc.
03:40:24	Guest30334	It's not in my path? How does that work.
03:40:28	shuffle2	use tools/rockboxdev.sh
03:40:50	shuffle2	also i highly recommend using a VM if possible, instead of cygwin
03:41:19	shuffle2	21:37 > use tools/rockboxdev.sh < option e, not a
03:41:41	Guest30334	rightio, i'll have a go, cheers.
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03:43:33	Guest30334	do i run that command from the dir i want to build in?
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03:45:12	shuffle2	no, it builds and installs the toolchain you need for compiling to arm
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03:47:05	Guest30334	right, got it running, two errors
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03:47:21	Guest30334	rockboxdev : No Downloader Tool Found!
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03:47:42	Guest30334	rockboxdev : Please install curl or wget and rerun the script
03:48:48	shuffle2	oook have you ever used linux/a package manager before? :)
03:49:17	shuffle2	i think from here on out it's self-explanitory, just google, etc
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03:50:54	Guest30334	right, thanks for that. I'm kinda stumbling through it.
03:52:19	Guest30334	is there a simple way I should be looking for?
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03:53:24	clone4crw	You must not have installed wget when you installed cygwin
03:53:39	clone4crw	re-run the setup.exe and be sure to include it
03:55:58	Guest30334	you lil' ripper! got it! Cheers man!
03:56:37	clone4crw	haha. anytime.
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04:21:35	Guest30334	I reinstalled wget, ran rockboxdev and download the files and still brings up that not in path error
04:24:46	shuffle2	at the end of rockboxdev it should tell you the path you need in your PATH, yes?
04:25:00	shuffle2	type echo $PATH and see if it's there
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04:28:42	Guest30334	it doesn't seem to be there, but it downloaded and seemed to install?
04:30:28	clone4crw	Guest30334: at the end of the output of rockboxdev.sh, it said the paths that needed to be added to your PATH environmental variable
04:30:53	Guest30334	ah ok, might install it again. cheers.
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05:56:48	factor	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11367 looks liek some patches exist to enable line out and dock detect.
05:56:48	factor	but dont work in the latest version of v2 firmware I have.
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06:52:26	Synthbox	one question
06:52:32	Synthbox	when i docked rockbox
06:52:44	Synthbox	can i charge and still use it at the same time?
06:58:17	krazykit	yes. the manual should tell you the keycombo for whatever device you have
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07:34:13	Synthbox	ok e280 manual?
07:34:28	Synthbox	p.n.p.
07:34:29	Synthbox	.
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07:50:12	Ericthegreat	Hey you guys the rockbox file for tthe sansa clip is broken and auto updater can't download it either.
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07:51:00	Ericthegreat	Could anyone send me it or fix the link?
07:58:32	froggyman	you should be able to download the build from here: http://build.rockbox.org/
07:58:59	froggyman	just un-zip it to the "root" (right onto the device, not in a folder) of your player
07:59:32	froggyman	do you have the bootloader already installed (have you used rockbox before)?
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08:00:17	Ericthegreat	no but I was able to installl the bootloader
08:01:01	froggyman	okay... try unzipping the clip build onto it and see what happens when you reboot
08:01:51	Ericthegreat	Thank you I was able to download it from there.
08:10:58	Ericthegreat	Hmm says rockbox but file not found then it says insert usb cable
08:11:47	Ericthegreat	I think that zip was just the firmware I need the rockbox files
08:13:56	Ericthegreat	nvm I got it
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08:39:42	Ericthegreat	Is the sansa clip pp502x?
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09:06:40	Dhraakellian	got a whitescreen on my FuzeV1 while transferring over USB
09:06:58	Dhraakellian	Undefined instruction at 30054834
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09:13:15	Dhraakellian	r28157
09:15:19	Dhraakellian	and now it only seems to be mounting read-only
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09:15:30	Dhraakellian	at least, according to what sudo rm tells me
09:15:42	Dhraakellian	mount says rw
09:17:52	Dhraakellian	...although that appears to be on the PC's side, since it's happening w ith the OF too
09:26:03	Dhraakellian	or maybe it's something messed up with the filesystem
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11:22:55	jyf1987	hey , i have a question
11:23:25	jyf1987	is there any pmp which has a jz4755 cpu inside and come with 4.3 inch touch screen?
11:24:24	jyf1987	any guys ?
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11:42:07	markun	jyf1987: you didn't find anything with google?
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11:51:28	jyf1987	markun: couldnt find suitable ones
11:51:59	jyf1987	markun: i could find lots of device based on jz4755 but couldnt find a device that also come with touch screen
11:52:50	yorick	hmm...would my ipod video 5.5g 30GB work with the iflash mk 2 and a transcend CF 32GB 133x
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13:42:47	Amec	I am having trouble building the arm-eabi toolchain on Ubuntu Server 10.4.1. It gives the error "../../gcc-4.4.4/gcc/ipa-reference.c:992: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction". I have searched the wiki/forum and googled to no avail. I would be greatful if someone could provide me with some assistance.
13:43:10	Amec	(using rockboxdev.sh)
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13:50:58	ender`	Amec: what CPU do you have on the server?
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13:51:24	Amec	err
13:51:29	Amec	Some old Celeron.
13:51:52	ender`	if you re-run the script, does the same error happen in the same place?
13:52:00	Amec	Yes.
13:52:13	Amec	processor Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz
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13:53:07	ender`	strange, that's not that old
13:53:38	wodz	does compiler on this machine works at all?
13:54:07	Amec	I would assume so.
13:54:24	Amec	(I don't know, first thing I've really compiled. Only got it last week.)
13:55:00	Amec	Although, gcc does compile a lot before getting to ipa-reference.c
13:55:06	Amec	So I think so...
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13:55:43	wodz	is the processor overcloced or something?
13:55:51	wodz	overclocked
13:56:13	Buschel	do we have a data sheet of the S5L8700 or 8701 ?
13:56:23	ender`	i thought about that, but if it was overclocked (or if there was bad ram), the error probably wouldn't happen in the same place
13:57:00	wodz	Buschel: you mean soc in nano2g? - no
13:57:09	Amec	I'm pretty sure it happens in the same place. I'll run it again to make sure.
13:57:50	Buschel	wodz: yes. I thought I read about somebody referring to the data sheets regarding clock configuration...
13:57:56	ender`	if it doesn't happen in the same place, run memtest for a few hours (www.memtest.org)
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13:58:53	wodz	Buschel: there is datasheet to some similar soc I think
13:59:02	Amec	How does one check the current cpu freq? (I forget if I removed the overclock I ahd before)
13:59:08	Amec	had*
13:59:16	wodz	cat /proc/cpuing
13:59:20	wodz	cpuinfo
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14:00:38	Amec	cpuinfo: command not found
14:00:41	Amec	>_>
14:01:12	wodz	cat /proc/cpuinfo
14:01:17	Amec	OH.
14:01:23	Amec	... I knew that.
14:01:24	Amec	>_>
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14:02:23	ender`	that could be the reason
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14:02:44	wodz	hehe
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14:15:16	Amec	Hmm... It has gotten past "ipa-reference.c" this time. I guess it is the overclock.
14:18:45	Buschel	wodz: found it
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14:20:23	Amec	Oh yay! It works. Thank you ender` and wodz. :)
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14:58:37	bertrik	Buschel, I do have one for the s5l8700x
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14:59:17	bertrik	the soc in nano2g is very similar to that one
14:59:40	bertrik	there are some errors in the document, unfortunately I don't have a list of them
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15:03:40	Buschel	bertrik: thanks, just reading exactly this one :)
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15:09:26	Buschel	just wondering aobut the rockbox clock settings −− those look differet than what the spec says...
15:11:51	bertrik	this could either be 1) a bug in rockbox 2) an error in the documentation 3) a difference between the s5l8700 and the soc in the nano 2g :)
15:12:32	Buschel	yep :)
15:12:38	bertrik	IIRC, the nano2g uses a clock crystal in the MHz range
15:12:53	gevaerts	Or 4) all of the above :)
15:13:21	bertrik	while the s5l8700 in the meizus uses a 32 kHz clock
15:16:02	Buschel	nano 2g uses something by 1.8 MHz?
15:16:30	Buschel	then I would have calculated the clocks the right way :)
15:18:04	bertrik	IIRC, it uses some weird frequency but one that makes it easy to create an exact 44100 sample clock (IIRC)
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15:27:27	amiconn	There is a reason why some SoC use a weird base clock. Another example is the 11289600 Hz for MCF52xx
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18:15:03	Alcoholic	Hi everyone, could someone please tell me if the rockbox is compatible with Cowon S9?
18:15:25	*	gevaerts looks at the list on http://www.rockbox.org/
18:15:29	gevaerts	It's not
18:15:50	Alcoholic	gevaerts it doesn't appear in the list, that's why i'm asking.
18:15:58	gevaerts	The list is complete
18:16:48	Alcoholic	There's a stable,unstable and unusable lists which either have info about Cowon S9
18:17:08	Alcoholic	so how could you tell?
18:17:33	gevaerts	tell what?
18:17:46	Alcoholic	That it isn't.
18:18:26	gevaerts	Either the list is complete, or it's not. Either the S9 is on the list, or it's not
18:18:37	gevaerts	The list is complete, and the S9 is not on the list
18:18:47	gevaerts	Therefore, I can tell that the S9 is not supported
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18:19:55	Alcoholic	OK, thanks for the poetic answer gevaerts :)
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18:41:13	soap	and by "not supported" he doesn't mean "runs, but we disavow all help and support" but "Incompatible hardware, no way to run it".
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18:42:09	gevaerts	Yes, sorry. The old inaccurate wording strikes again :\
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19:00:05	dfkt	bertrik, i just looked at FS #11577, and i thought this might be of interest to you, the �hmann crossfeed - http://www.headstage.eu/Molt_1994_04_SP12.pdf
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19:00:42	dfkt	pdf is in swedish, but it has a diagram on page 48. to me this is the most natural sounding crossfeed implementation i've heard so far
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19:02:56	dfkt	here's some more about it - http://gilmore2.chem.northwestern.edu/projects/showproj.php?file=kemhagen_add_prj.htm
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19:04:42	bertrik	it looks a bit like the meier enhanced bass circuit
19:07:08	dfkt	i have it on a headphone amp, implemented with two intensities, "low" and "high" - the low setting sounds like meier's to my ears, the high setting has more effect, and still sounds natural
19:11:50	bertrik	what I like about the meier circuit is that it's simple to emulate for rockbox (if I did it right ...) and the fact that it is designed by an actual audio guy
19:14:37	dfkt	well, mr. �hman is an audio guy too. :) - i want to try yours now. as i see it, i should try the newer crossfeed.patch you posted - and when i add the meier.diff to it, i get a different implementation?
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19:15:50	dfkt	wait, i misread - i either use the crossfeed.patch from the original post, or the last one you posted, for two different approaches?
19:16:06	bertrik	yes
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19:17:13	bertrik	The first patch allows you to change the delay in the original rockbox crossfeed implementation, the last patch just adds the meier crossfeed option. I should given those patches a different name probably.
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19:36:33	bertrik	how odd, enabling time stretch seems to have an effect on the drawing of the progress bar. With it enabled, I don't see the "outside" of the progress bar, only the filling part.
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19:52:02	darknezz1	Hey guys does rockbox work on ipod classic yet?
19:52:12	darknezz1	160gb silver classic
19:52:52	bertrik	no
19:54:20	bertrik	assuming you are referring to a 6th generation ipod
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20:21:09	yorick	(11:52) < yorick> hmm...would my ipod video 5.5g 30GB work with the iflash mk 2 and a transcend CF 32GB 133x
20:25:36	n1s	yorick: if it's not on the wiki page, it's likely that noone has tried that combo
20:27:17	yorick	hmm...it is
20:27:25	yorick	"works perfectly"
20:27:29	yorick	n1s: thank you :)
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20:28:47	hansbaer	good evening everybody
20:29:15	hansbaer	somebody willing and able to debug a h3x0-problem with me?
20:29:23	likemindead	Afternoon, hansbaer. ;-)
20:29:37	hansbaer	;) ok, afternoon...
20:31:05	n1s	hansbaer: what's the problem?
20:31:39	hansbaer	ok, here�`s the situation:
20:32:35	hansbaer	h320-harddisk died, had iriver firmware v1.29(E) installed, as well as an old version of rockbox (ca. 2007)
20:33:02	hansbaer	now i bought a cf-adapter as well as a 16gb cf-disk
20:33:09	hansbaer	plugged in
20:33:16	hansbaer	and got "ata error -80"
20:33:27	hansbaer	usb-bootloader-mode still works
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20:33:51	hansbaer	booting up original firmware works but gives me "check hdd connection"
20:34:24	n1s	so if you boot the bootloader usb mode you can access the cf card?
20:34:30	hansbaer	if its a problem of the bootloader, how do i flash a new one now?
20:34:34	hansbaer	yes, thats correct
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20:35:00	hansbaer	i can copy any newly modified .hex file on the disk
20:35:08	n1s	so your card is formatted and rockbox is installed on it but that doesn't work?
20:35:18	hansbaer	yep, thats the case
20:35:42	hansbaer	i cannot do a firmware upgrade with the iriver-firmware booted, cause of the "check hdd connection" error
20:36:01	n1s	hansbaer: if the OF cannot read the cf card you cannot update the bootloader as we only support the method of piggybacking on the OF flash image for the bootloader installation on h300
20:36:20	hansbaer	yes, that was my assumption...
20:36:23	gevaerts	Weren't there problems with some CF adapters?
20:36:27	n1s	if you also cannot start rockbox, even a flashing plugin will not help
20:36:48	hansbaer	so theres no other way as to get another harddisk and flash a new bootloader, then retry with the cf-card?
20:36:57	n1s	gevaerts: dunno, but the official bootloader for h300 doesn't have any of the CF related fixes in it
20:37:06	hansbaer	damned...
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20:37:34	hansbaer	i would have done a firmware-upgrade beforehand, but as the original hd died, i had no more opportunity to do that
20:38:43	n1s	hansbaer: i think your only chance is ether getting a hd that works to update to an unofficial bootloader and hope that works or try to find a cf that works with the current bl
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20:39:53	hansbaer	nls: i thought the firmware supports cf-cards, thats how it reads in the cfmodguide wikipage
20:39:53	gevaerts	The easiest way I think is going to be to find someone with a disk you can borrow for a day
20:40:12	hansbaer	"Now that support is in SVN, new bootloaders will not require the hacks described below."
20:40:17	funk	Hey guys, when compiling rockbox (make) I am getting: make: execvp: <source_dir>/tools/version.sh: Permission denied. I've read all the docs... any suggestions?
20:40:35	n1s	hansbaer: only, no new official bootloaders were released
20:40:45	n1s	for the h300
20:40:58	hansbaer	nls: oh... wasnt up to date since 2007...
20:41:03	n1s	funk: is it executable?
20:41:09	wodz	may I kindly ask to test FS #11641?
20:41:49	gevaerts	funk: your source tree seems to have lost executable bits. What sort of environment are you using?
20:42:17	n1s	hansbaer: the current official bootloader for h300 was released july 2006
20:43:22	funk	gevaerts, ubuntu
20:43:30	hansbaer	nls: allright, so i could test with the one linked H300.zip linked in the wiki?
20:43:37	hansbaer	-linked
20:43:56	funk	n1s was right about executable permissions... now I get an svn error... strange
20:43:57	gevaerts	funk: did you put the source on a FAT filesystem at some point?
20:44:07	n1s	hansbaer: yes, it think that has been reported to work for people, no guarantees of course
20:44:29	n1s	s/it/i/
20:46:14	funk	gevaerts, yes... yes i did :(
20:46:27	funk	mtfs
20:46:29	funk	n
20:47:12	hansbaer	nls: ok, so i`ll check on where to borrow a 1,8" hdd and flash the bootloader first
20:47:17	hansbaer	thanks a lot for the help
20:47:53	hansbaer	although i don`t know who the hell could have another 1,8" disk for that thingie..
20:48:39	gevaerts	hansbaer: people with old enough ipods, or most other DAPs from that era
20:49:03	gevaerts	You could try asking on the forums (or here...) if there are people in your area who can help
20:49:08	hansbaer	gevaerts: ...that let me open their players and "borrow" the hd for a day? ;)
20:49:25	wodz	ok simply check ebay - I bought 1.8" 20GB for ~5 euro recently
20:49:30	hansbaer	anyone from stuttgart/germany in here? ;)
20:49:32	gevaerts	hansbaer: some of them aren't using the thing any more :)
20:49:43	hansbaer	yep, you could be right on that one
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20:50:36	gevaerts	funk: the easiest solution is going to be to just get the sources again. Otherwise I think you'll be stuck fixing issues one by one for a long while...
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20:51:27	funk	i thought so, thanks for the help
20:51:45	wodz	kugel: ping
20:52:06	kugel	wodz: pong
20:53:17	wodz	kugel: You have experience with biger code refactoring and git-svn. How git-svn treat history if you copy one file to some other location?
20:53:55	kugel	it normally keeps the history
20:54:22	kugel	it sees copied/moved files (even though it's wrong sometimes)
20:54:57	wodz	nice
20:57:08	gevaerts	wodz: anything specific to look for in FS #11641 ?
20:59:09	funk	gevaerts, it's working fine now. :)
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21:00:54	funk	make: *** No rule to make target `<source_dir>/build-dir/usbstack', needed by `<source_dir>/build-dir/firmware/usb.o'. Stop.
21:01:03	funk	hah any ideas now? :)
21:01:40	funk	ah wait this MIGHT be an issue with something I did
21:02:50	AlexP	wodz: Sorry, I forgot. Compiling now
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21:03:50	Maggux_	finaly I got Rockbox installed on my SansaClip+
21:05:26	wodz	gevaerts: it works in sim (I tested a few sim targets with different pixelformats) but I don't have any target to test on real hardware
21:06:53	AlexP	wodz: Seems OK on H100 - do you have any particular fiules you'ld like testing?
21:07:34	gevaerts	wodz: seems fine on ipod video
21:07:42	wodz	AlexP: png viewer doesn't work on greyscale at all with svn
21:07:48	wodz	cool
21:07:52	AlexP	I know, I'm using the patch
21:08:17	AlexP	Are there any particular png files you would like testing, that use certain features or anything
21:08:20	AlexP	Is what I meant
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21:09:33	wodz	AlexP: try some broken files (there is archive of test files somewhere on libpng site) to see if decoder handles errors gracefully
21:10:38	AlexP	Any idea where? I'm happy to test but tbh I cba to hunt down test files through that website :)
21:11:03	AlexP	don't worry, I found it after all :)
21:12:09	soap	http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngsuite.html
21:12:12	soap	too slow
21:14:01	AlexP	wodz: The corrupt ones are fine, it gives an error then moves on
21:14:02	soap	though, that suite is really designed for viewing on a browser. Side-by-side comparison is, at a minimum, really needed to evaluate.
21:14:27	wodz	AlexP, gevaerts: I uploaded new version of the patch which changes decompression backend. If You can give it a try...
21:14:31	AlexP	wodz: For transparency though, it seems to show transparency as black but I think it'd feel better if transparency were nothing
21:14:54	wodz	AlexP: good catch
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21:15:32	wodz	AlexP: but what does it mean nothing? white or magic color or what?
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21:15:50	AlexP	wodz: I'm not sure how it works on greyscale actually
21:15:53	AlexP	amiconn: ?
21:15:59	gevaerts	Background colour or pattern for transparency should be settable!
21:16:25	AlexP	I guess white as that is what it normally is for "clear"
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21:16:56	wodz	I'll look at this
21:17:37	gevaerts	wodz: that doesn't seem to apply
21:17:46	wodz	hmm
21:17:57	wodz	one moment
21:18:02	AlexP	gevaerts: It did here
21:18:09	AlexP	If you mean patching with v1
21:18:30	AlexP	having reverted v0 first
21:19:23	gevaerts	Yes, I did that
21:20:06	wodz	hmm it apply cleanly for me
21:20:16	AlexP	wodz: v1 seems fine on H100
21:20:22	wodz	:-)
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21:20:42	gevaerts	svn stat shows no modified or extra files, and curl http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11641?getfile=22610 \|patch -p1 complains loudly
21:21:27	AlexP	very odd, it definitely applied fine here
21:22:07	shuffle2	anyone familiar with using usb devices in virtualbox? it seems i must plug my ipod into a new usb port on my host computer each time, or else virtualbox does not grab the newly inserted usb device from the host OS
21:22:23	shuffle2	and i've run out of usb ports :>
21:23:32	AlexP	Is that really Rockbox specific?
21:24:25	wodz	shuffle2: click with right button on usb icon after plugging device and select it to grab
21:27:23	shuffle2	wodz always get a failure when doing that
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21:39:54	gevaerts	wodz: it's this $Id$ thing again
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21:43:48	wodz	:-/
21:44:15	wodz	so AlexP used git apply probably - that's why it worked
21:45:12	gevaerts	git apply doesn't help. Using git locally might
21:45:33	wodz	gevaerts: that's what I mean
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21:46:18	wodz	this $id$ thing manifests when patch removes some files
21:46:58	Maggux_	can rockbox remeber the last played pos from a file other the currend one?
21:47:15	gevaerts	Maggux_: look for "bookmarks" in the manual
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21:49:02	bdrung_	hi, can someone add me (BenjaminDrung) to the WikiUsersGroup? i want to add my numbers to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime
21:50:34	gevaerts	bdrung_: done. Welcome
21:50:40	bdrung_	thanks.
21:50:42	gevaerts	wodz: v1 seems to work for me too
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21:51:13	bdrung_	and thanks for developing rockbox.
21:51:31	wodz	gevaerts: thanks for testing
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21:52:54	Maggux	gevaerts: mm well, ive looked for something like the podcasthandling from the original Sansa-firmware. but thanks
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21:57:28	AlexP	wodz, gevaerts: I used patch, but yes, a git repo
21:58:07	*	gevaerts would like flyspray to use diffstat -p0
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22:08:44	AoEKiller	hello I would like to know if it is possible to use regexp in WPS
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22:10:39	bdrung_	i nearly bricked my new sansa clip+. it didn't boot. then i discovered in the sandisk manual that it can be reset by holding the power button for over 20 second. after doing that, it booted again. where should i add this information to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS?
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22:12:53	AlexP	AoEKiller: no
22:13:29	Maggux	if I mess up the .rockbox folder on my SansaClip+, can I still boot the original Firmware?
22:13:50	AlexP	AoEKiller: It hasn't changed since you asked not long ago
22:13:54	bertrik	Maggux, yes
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22:14:22	wodz	AlexP: Current implementation of png decoder simply does not support alpha channel (ignores it). Alpha support is not mandatory for decoder to be png 1.1 compilant
22:14:44	AlexP	ah, OK
22:15:05	wodz	it shouldn't be very hard to implement
22:15:13	AlexP	so it shows black on colour targets too?
22:15:25	gevaerts	yes
22:15:31	AlexP	righto
22:16:21	AlexP	bdrung_: You didn't nearly brick it, it just hung
22:16:31	AlexP	The hold power to force power off is well known
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22:17:20	wodz	AlexP: png stores intensities values (r,g,b for example) and alpha separately. Intensities are non-premultiplied.
22:17:22	bdrung_	AlexP: ok. it would be nice to have this information somewhere on the wiki page.
22:18:11	AlexP	Sure, feel free to add it - but it does nothing about bricking. Perhaps just mention "Holding power for 30 seconds (or more) forces a hardware poweroff"
22:18:19	dfkt	bertrik, meier crossfeed sound very nice :)
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22:19:16	wodz	honestly I am not conviced about adding alpha support to png decoder in rb
22:20:03	AlexP	Why not?
22:22:23	wodz	If we want to use transparency we will have to have knowledge about image it is to be put on. Decoder simply doesn't know where we will put it - this defined by drawing function
22:23:02	wodz	we can add transparency with single background colour however
22:23:32	AlexP	Won't the png viewer just use the set background colour? Or it could just force to white
22:24:00	AlexP	I don't think it makes sense to show it over the backdrop
22:24:13	AlexP	What does it do now, and what does jpg viewer do?
22:24:30	wodz	jpg doesn't have alpha channel
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22:25:01	AlexP	I know, but unless the image is exactly the same ratio as the display, it must show someting round it
22:25:13	gevaerts	Just assume a fixed colour. Make that configurable if you want to be fancy, but more isn't needed
22:25:26	AlexP	I agree
22:25:36	wodz	acked
22:27:07	bdrung_	AlexP: i added a " Hanging, non-responding player" section to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
22:28:29	AlexP	bdrung_: Is that true for all players on that page?
22:30:59	bdrung_	AlexP: good question. it applies to the clip+. let's check the other player.
22:31:24	AlexP	It does for e200/c200 IIRC
22:31:31	AlexP	But don't quote me on that :)
22:32:08	bdrung_	AlexP: and to clip
22:34:28	bdrung_	AlexP: fuze 10 secs, clip 15 secs, clip+ 20 secs, e200 15 secs
22:34:47	gevaerts	"30 seconds" :)
22:35:00	AlexP	bdrung_: The time varies on different players of the same model, so just be safe and say 30 s or so :)
22:35:08	AlexP	bdrung_: But cool, thanks for checking
22:35:16	gevaerts	People don't use a stopwatch for this, so they release too fast, and then come back here to complain that it didn't work
22:35:54	gevaerts	Sometimes we feel generous and say a minute :)
22:35:59	bdrung_	AlexP: 20 secs seems enough
22:36:11	AlexP	not always
22:36:20	AlexP	There have been people around where it takes more
22:36:39	AlexP	but anyway, it is better to say longer than shorter as gevaerts says
22:36:50	AlexP	If it resets before the time is up, all well and good
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22:37:01	bdrung_	ok
22:37:11	gevaerts	Anyway, we usually add "up to"
22:37:45	bdrung_	AlexP: can you confirm that it works for e200? the manual for e200 doesn't say something about reset.
22:38:04	AlexP	It does for v1, I guess for v2 but I don't have one
22:38:20	AlexP	and v1 isn't on that page, so I can't really :)
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22:42:37	bdrung_	AlexP: i can't confirm it for m200.
22:43:33	bdrung_	AlexP: should i add "This may not work on m200 and e200"?
22:44:20	AlexP	I pretty sure it does (on e200 at least), but maybe just "unconfirmed on xxx"
22:44:50	bdrung_	AlexP: or only "unconfirmed on m200"?
22:45:35	bdrung_	AlexP: you have version v1. all player introduces later support it.
22:45:41	AlexP	probably best e200 too, I might be wrong :)
22:49:39	bdrung_	AlexP: ok, done: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
22:50:01	AlexP	cool
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23:30:01	Buschel	anyone else with a nano2g experiences humming of the lcd display?
23:30:31	Buschel	this can be avoided when lowering the voltage supply for the lcd.
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23:41:13	CIA-81	New commit by Buschel (r28161): Disable clickwheel power supply when hold button is active for iPod nano 2G.
23:42:38	CIA-81	New commit by Buschel (r28162): Add some more information to iPod nano 2G debug screen.
23:42:56	CIA-81	r28161 build result: All green
23:43:57	CIA-81	New commit by Buschel (r28163): Remove code that was unintentionally submitted.
23:44:43	CIA-81	r28162 build result: All green
23:46:07	CIA-81	New commit by Buschel (r28164): Reduce LCD voltage supply to 2500 mV to avoid humming noise of nano 2G.
23:46:28	CIA-81	r28163 build result: All green
23:48:12	CIA-81	r28164 build result: All green
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