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#rockbox log for 2010-09-30

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00:03:40preglowi'm around :>
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00:04:10preglowbut good and fast resamplers seem to be hard
00:04:28preglowanything even moderately better than what we currently do will be several times slower
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00:18:30wodzAlexP: ping
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01:17:33[Saint]I's is back.
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02:05:53saratoga_preglow: i was leaning towards hermite splines as the next best option, any opinion?
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03:04:16flan_suseI added a custom pattern in the disktidy_custom.config file and selected it to be enabled. It looks like this: *.bmark: yes
03:04:45flan_suseBut when I run the disk tidy app, it results in 0 files being removed, and all of my *.bmark files still remain.
03:05:17flan_suseI am using the Sansa Clip+ version r28182-100928.
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03:44:29webguest69does any one know if the archos vision 2 can run rock box?
03:44:40krazykitdo you see it on the front page?
03:45:06krazykitthere's your answer, then
03:45:20webguest69is there any expermental versions around?
03:46:06krazykitif there were it'd be mentioned on the front page, the wiki, or in the forums
03:48:34webguest69well my issue is the current firmware freaks out with japanese characters and most my music is japanese
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03:50:35krazykitwell, if you want rockbox you'll need to get a supported device (or do the hard work of porting it yourself)
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07:10:46syrnhey question... can i use any mini usb cable for the sansa clip+?
07:11:58syrnthe stock one is way too small but it looks like it has some bulge at the front so is that a resistor that is needed for charging?
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08:36:15wodzWhy on Archos Studio power off is a separate item in main menu? Is it for historical reason or there some technical aspects?
08:36:34wodzs/there/there are/
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08:44:43preglowsaratoga_: i'd rather take a look at the resampler the speex dude wrote, he claims it is fast enough
08:44:58preglowhermite isn't a huge improvement by itself
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08:53:08amiconnwodz: There's a technical reason
08:53:44amiconnWe cannot re-use the hardware combo (long Stop), because it triggers too fast to intercept in software (~1 second)
08:54:02wodzwhat about long on?
08:54:09amiconnWe also cannot use the (neat) double-Off alternative like on recorder
08:55:19wodzI'll look at keymap
08:55:40amiconnON is used for combos, so triggering on long ON is tricky
08:55:57amiconnAlso, powering off with the ON button is sorta illogical.
08:56:24amiconnAnother reason is probably that the hardware cannot be powered off as long as someone holds the ON button
08:56:55wodzok I am conviced now
08:56:55*amiconn didn't verify this, but then there are a few hardware revisions which might even behave slightly different
08:57:52wodzI tested my MAS-cleanup on player and can't find any side effects
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09:17:54wodzTheSeven: on freemyipod wiki there is entry about serching for JTAG pins - what hardware/software was used?
09:18:44TheSevenwodz: I'm not entirely sure, but I'd guess the one that was discussed on the ML once
09:18:48TheSevenlet me check
09:19:27wodzI am thinking about hunting for JTAG on my mini1G and try to understand the shutdown issue
09:23:32TheSevenwodz: seems to be likely
09:25:30*wodz would love to see link to SVN browser in sidebar on mainpage
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09:42:04alex10Good Evening. Is there any way to manually create a configuration file that would disable the usb-hid mode or the usb screen in rockbox?
09:42:23alex10I am using the latest build for the ipod nano 2G.
09:46:45AlexPwodz: Sorry, was asleep again. You'll have to be before midnight to catch me! My H100 is at home, I'll do my best to remember to test tonight
09:46:49alex10My internet connection is unreliable. Could someone confirm that my question was received on the IRC server please?
09:48:38wodzAlexP: ok I'll try to catch later today
09:48:59wodzalex10: you can always look at logs
09:49:39alex10wodz: Hi. I didn't think of that... I will look, thank you :-)
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09:54:13AlexPalex10: No, you'll need to edit the source then compile
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09:54:55AlexPalex10: You can disable USB HID throught the menus though
09:55:25AlexPAnd if you want to charge not connect when you insert USB, then there is a button to hold, check the manual
09:56:01alex10AlexP: Very informative. Thank you very much :-)
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09:56:27AlexPno worries
09:56:44AlexPTo disable USB altogther though you'll need to fiddle with the source
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09:59:19alex10AlexP: Sounds a bit challenging for someone with little computer programming skills. I found how to disable usb mode from the manual by holding the menu button. That's exactly what I needed :-)
09:59:27alex10Thank you again
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09:59:35AlexPYou're welcome
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10:04:37alex10Does anyone have any experience/advice for using an ipod [nano 2G] with a dead battery [for a car stereo system]?
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10:06:47wodzWhat do You think about adding link to SVN brower to the sidebar on the front page? Maybe somethink like 'Source' category and there link to browse SVN or something
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10:09:15wodzZagor: ping
10:09:57alex10wodz: If I may put in my 2 cents, That would be an excellent idea, but I would put an SVN link under the downloads section or change "tracker" to "development" and put it there.
10:10:35wodzcould be - I just need sometimes to fast look at svn logs
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10:12:22alex10wodz: You could do something with "subversion" link under "recent activity" in the homepage or add a link next to it...
10:13:02AlexPwodz: Yeah, a link to the web interface to SVN would be good. "Browse source" or something
10:15:55alex10wodz: Also, if this is just something you need on the site, you "could" use javascript to add a hotkey to jump to the SVN :-D
10:16:09pixelmawodz: by the way, I used a build with your MAS cleanup patch on my Ondio and didn't notice any problems with playback but I always wanted to test recording things (but then didn't :\ ). The player doesn't have recording so that remains
10:16:27pixelmaused it for a while, I meant to say
10:17:28wodzpixelma: Yes I am aware of this and would kindly ask to test recording as I don't have such hardware. I uploaded synced patch to the tracker
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10:20:00alex10Good night rockbox world :-)
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10:20:18pixelmawodz (logs): ok, just received the flyspray notification :) . I'll also try to test the png viewer, I already tested your previous version with the hints how to get it applied on Sunday and it worked but seemed a but dark and didn't do aspect ration correction like bmp does (IIRC)
10:25:14pixelmaa bit dark of course
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11:01:13wodzpixelma: as of imageviewer plugin: 1)I do not use any gamma correction which can be included as a optional chunk in PNG. I don't see the point to support this on such hardware. 2)As of aspect correction - this is strange as I use the same functions to scale as bmp viewer. The catch is that PNG can have optional tag which specify physical dimensions of image (and hence can provide 'correction' for not square pixels). I didn't implemented this also as it s
11:01:13wodzeems to be rarely used
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11:02:01pixelmaI'll try again
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11:28:52preglowgamma correction makes sense on all hardware...
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11:30:47wodzpreglow: I mean if we ever consider including png support in core it should not be bloated
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11:31:40wodzpng is mainly used for simple files, icons, drawings etc.
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11:40:51Zagorwodz: pong
11:41:30wodzI was thinking about puting link to SVN just in sidebar on mainpage
11:41:43wodzthis was rised a few times
11:41:50teruwodz, pixelma: aspect correction in bmp viewer is done when the bitmap is being loaded by resize_on_load(). not by resize_image() after image is loaded.
11:41:59Zagorwodz: link to what, exactly?
11:43:51wodzteru: have you tried v3 patch? With v2 even if You fix crc calculation every field in png which is more then 1byte may be corrupt
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11:44:25ZagorI don't quite see the point. would find that helpful?
11:44:59Torneseveral people have been looking for it recently
11:45:17Torne"people who want to look at the revision history for some thing", i guess
11:45:33wodzfor me personaly? From time to time I have to look at svn history while I am not in front of my workstation where I have everything setup
11:45:44Zagorseriously? we have at least a dozen links to the svn browser on the front page, yet people refuse them and want one that goes to the root?
11:46:21Tornethe recent changes all link directly to changelists
11:47:32Zagorok, fine. I guess we can expand the "tracker" menu section to a more generic "development" with links to svn and perhaps howtocompile or some such
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11:48:01wodzok for me
11:52:04pixelmais reporting bugs considered development? I'm a bit afraid people will find the links to the tracker even less, not sure how many it would confuse though just something to consider I think
11:52:29Zagorpixelma: I'd say it is at least helping development
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11:53:35wodzwe can put link to SVN in download section as well
11:53:39teruwodz: yes, it worked. but i realized it is needed to align disp_buf = p_decoder->buf + p_decoder->native_img_size because decoder->infoPng.width * sizeof(struct uint8_rgb) might not be multiple of FB_DATA_SZ.
11:53:55teruI'd suggest to not inlclude the temporal buffer size to the p_decoder->native_img_size.
11:54:46wodzyes I was thinking about this
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11:56:22teruapart from that, multiplying by FB_DATA_SZ is not needed for mono/greyscale targets becase greylib is used, thus type of output is unsigned char which size is 1, not fb_data.
11:57:30wodzthere is also possiblilty to reduce buffer required a bit. Currently 1) file is loaded at the end of buffer 2) IDAT compressed sections are copied and concatenated at the very begining of the buffer 3) zlib decompressor decompress raw image to the end of buffer trashing file 4) raw image is filtered and pixels are converted to native form puting 'ready' image at the begining of the buffer
11:58:07wodzwe can in theory not produce copy of compressed data sections
11:58:08preglowwodz: proper gamma support hardly involves bloat, it's a very important feature, which makes it so annoying when _no one_, even pro apps, don't care about it
11:58:52wodzNo problem - I can add gamma support to decoder.
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14:43:16soapHow should I expect the change to eabi to affect building old revisions behind the transition point?
14:43:31Tornethey might not work correctly or even boot if built with eabi
14:43:41Tornebecause most targets didn't work properly without fixes
14:43:56Torneit generally will *compile*, but even that's not guaranteed i don't think
14:45:21soapany suggestions on how to work around this?
14:45:44Torneuse the old compiler?
14:45:45AlexPthe old comiler is still in, use that?
14:45:48soapor should I simply run a non eabi VMWare image for the old builds?
14:45:55Torneyou can have both compilers..
14:45:59AlexPThe two live along side
14:46:35soapdoes the make script know which compiler to use or do I need to change something?
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14:49:36gevaertssoap: configure knows
14:49:54soapso there isn't really a problem?
14:50:11AlexPJust a weeny bit of disk space
14:50:16gevaertsnone at all
14:50:27soapThank you
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15:09:52CIA-81New commit by teru (r28188): use correct condition for #if for tagcache_fill_tags().
15:12:04CIA-81r28188 build result: All green
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15:42:13webguest002hi guys
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17:37:45chaosdiabloanyone here?
17:38:50pixelmaall bots... ;) If you have a Rockbox question, just ask
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17:45:18chaosdiabloi have a mp3-player, and i opened because i wanted to see which chips it uses. Player is an ODYS MP-x30. Anf i want to know if the chips are supported by rockbox Chips i've seen are ALi M5661R B1 and SAMSUNG 728
17:46:09chaosdiablo*Chips ive seen = Chips i've seen in my mp3player
17:47:28gevaertschaosdiablo: looks related to It looks like that's not something that will run rockbox anytime soon
17:47:45gevaertsThe main CPU seems to be an 8-bit thing
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17:53:41chaosdiabloseems to be a sigmatel thing
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18:03:04chaosdiabloi'll post details in the wiki if someone wants to make it compatible to rockbox
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18:05:16chaosdiablooh i have to register
18:07:24chaosdiablocan somebody give me writing rights?
18:11:31pamauryIf it's an 8-bit processor, it's unlikely someone will want to have support for it, because of all the limitations, but one has to see the details of the processor before concluding anything
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18:19:12pixelmachaosdiablo: what's your wiki name?
18:20:31chaosdiablogoogle doesnt find data sheets
18:21:45pixelmachaosdiablo: you should be able to edit the wiki now
18:21:58chaosdiablothank you
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18:25:07chaosdiabloif i find my camera i will post something about my player in the wiki
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19:43:18mod25hello everybody i can*t get my ipod 5.5 back to work i get the fucking usb power not enough message what can i do please help me out?
19:44:06mod25i have rockbox r28159m-100927
19:44:21evilnick_BPlug it into a wall charger for several hours
19:45:49mod25evilnick it is ful of charge 100percent
19:46:00mod25i can_t get on it via my mac
19:46:01pixelmaI never heard about that message, where do you see it - on the Ipod or somewhere on your PC?
19:46:09sudomanquick! what's 3456 mod 25?
19:46:22sudomanjk ;)
19:46:26pixelmamod25: which MacOS is this exactly?
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19:47:12pixelmaare you plugging it into your keyboard USB or somewhere else?
19:48:30mod25no directly in to usb port
19:49:19Lloreanmod25: What's the exact message, and is it on your iPod screen or coming from the PC?
19:49:39pixelmahmm, I only remember seeing similar messages when plugging a c200 into the USB ports on a Mac keyboard. You could still try different ports
19:52:49pixelmaother things to try - turning off Rockbox's USB HID support although MacOS 10.6 should handle it, only 10.4 or older couldn't. Or you could manually boot into the AppleOS and see if that helps
19:53:24n1sor in rockbox, turn off the usb charging
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20:05:24marsinstereoI was wondering if anyone is aware that the sansa clip firmware download link returns a 404, both through the manual install page and the rockbox utility...
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20:10:48n1smarsinstereo: yes
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20:12:01marsinstereooh. okay. well I have multiple clips that now have issues :/ any idea where I can get that zip file or was it pulled for a reason?
20:12:20n1sit never existed, get a current build insted
20:13:03marsinstereowell, that was simple enough.
20:13:35marsinstereothanks n1s
20:14:28n1sthe problem is that it was promoted to "stable" after the last release but the website can't deal with that nicely
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21:19:57pixelmacould someone explain teru's change today a bit more detailed?
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23:30:38AlexPwodz: (logs) patch v3 on FS #11641 seems to be partially applied already when I try to apply it to current svn?
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23:46:28wodzAlexP: does v3 patch work on h100?
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23:47:26AlexPwodz: It doesn't seem to apply to current svn
23:47:40AlexPIt says some hunks have been already applied
23:48:12wodzlet me check (I bet I checked this but who knows)
23:49:08gevaertsAlexP: it applies here
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23:50:42wodzhaha now patch applies cleanly to svn tree but git apply barfs
23:51:15AlexPwodz: Yeah, I'm using git
23:52:29wodzAlexP: I can make git version (without hacking $id$ lines)
23:52:45AlexPwodz: Whatever is easiest - that or a build?
23:53:33wodzfor me doesn't matter
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23:53:47wodzif You prefer the build I'll compile
23:53:56AlexPI don't mind either :)
23:56:36Tornekeywords are evil
23:57:01wodzAlexP: I send you patch via DCC
23:57:11AlexPwodz: DCC doesn't work here :)
23:57:21AlexPwodz: pastebin maybe?
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