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#rockbox log for 2010-10-04

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00:32:44Lopetrying to create speak files with the rockbox utility
00:32:55LopeI've downloaded and installed espeak
00:34:08Lopeoh cool nvm, needed to use the cmdline entry.
00:34:56Lopeanyone installed espeak plugin on rockbox?
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00:35:40Lopehey dream
00:35:52Lopewhat type of player r u running?
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00:44:00markunLope: is there a espeak plugin?
00:44:27Lopebut it needs to be compiled or something...
00:44:35markunwow, I've been away from rockbox for too long..
00:44:48Lopei'm fucking amazed with rockbox
00:44:52krazykitit won't be included due to license issues though
00:44:55Lopei've just gotten a sansa clip+
00:45:06Lopeit even runs doom!
00:45:33Lopei mean the screen is monochrome (not even greyscale) so it looks like snowy crap, but it runs smooth!
00:45:59spike__nice dude, you like the form factor alright?
00:46:18markunI also like my clip+, but a slightly better screen would have been nice
00:46:20LopeI fuckin love it.
00:46:28Lopethe screen is tiny
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00:48:55Lope1448I fuckin love it. yeah. the screen is tiny. will be interesting using it without glasses. I've just gotten the clip+ today.
00:49:00Lope1448the reason I chose it over the fuse is because its a lot lighter, and u can use the controls without looking at the screen. i think playing videos on a mp3 player is retarded
00:49:35Lope1448the fuze has a non-standard usb connector (fail) and u its one of those lame touch interfaces.
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00:50:43spike__yea, i have a fuze, i ran into a difficulty with rockbox freezing it when usb power is applied at startup
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00:51:03spike__so now i'm waiting for the batteries to drain before it will work again, haha
00:51:08Lope1448the usb functionality doesn't work on the clip+
00:51:15Lope1448so I boot OF to load stuff.
00:51:20spike__i was suprised though, at how watchable a movie is on a screen that small
00:51:40spike__can the clip read memory cards or anything?
00:51:41Lope1448ah, lame how u can't power cycle it
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00:51:48Lope1448that sucks that u can't reboot it
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00:51:58spike__yea, i've tried cycling it a bunch of times, no luck
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00:52:06Lope1448surely they should have make a hard reset by holding the power button for a long time or something.
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00:52:26spike__well normally yea, but its like too frozen to do that apparently
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00:52:43Lope1448but u gotta transcode the movies?
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00:52:48Lope1448hows doom on the fuze?
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00:53:00spike__i had to remap some buttons
00:53:05Lope1448the clip+ can read microSD
00:53:07spike__but totally playable, pretty much no lag
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00:53:18Lope1448its fuckin amazing yeha
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00:53:30Lope1448doom even runs 100% smooth on the clip+
00:53:37Lope1448just almost unviewable
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00:53:45spike__its amazing how many things doom has been ported to
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00:53:48Lope1448cos its monochrome screen, no grey
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00:54:00markunLope1448: I got a 16GB card for my clip+, hopefully the 32GB will become cheaper
00:54:02Lope1448what u use to transcode?
00:54:22Lope1448cool, yeah do u think 32GB microSD will work on the clip+?
00:54:32Lope1448i don't think 32gb microsd even exist yet?
00:55:01Lope1448i also got the sennheizer cs300 headphones, they're awesome
00:55:11Lope1448then HD555
00:55:26Lope1448and I bought some HD202s now. but I think they need to be played in cos they sound a bit shit.
00:55:43markunit does exist and should work.
00:56:00Lope144816gb is quite affordable
00:56:21markunI was in China and payed something like 21 euro for it, should be even cheaper now.
00:56:31Lope1448do u use the player in file mode or in database mode?
00:56:47Lope1448i prefer file mode cos id3 tags are always messier than filenames in my experience.
00:56:56Lope1448can u delete those lame OF folders?
00:56:58spike__i've used vlc and this video4fuze gui that someone made which is a frontend for mencoder
00:57:29spike__to transcode
00:58:02Lope1448what have u watched on it?
00:58:08spike__mainly futurama
00:58:10krazykityou can delete the OF's folders but they'll be recreated when you boot into the OF
00:58:19spike__but also crank 1, 2, etc
00:58:29krazykit(please keep chatter like "what've you watched" elsewhere, like the offtopic channel)
00:58:56markunspike__: nice, I also wached futurama on my Gigabeat F40. Without rockbox it didn't even play video.
00:59:09Lope1448can u delete the OF folders like playlists, audiobooks, podcasts, record?
00:59:17Lope1448or at least make the music folder display at the top?
00:59:31krazykitLope1448, i just answered that a moment ago...
00:59:46krazykityou could name your music directory to something that sorts before the others :)
00:59:47Lope1448oh i see, i missed that.
01:00:04Lope1448ah, ofcourse, you don't need to use the OF music folder
01:00:28markunhopefully USB in rockbox will be good enough soon that we don't need the OF anymore
01:00:34Lope1448i'm kind of fearing my clip+ locking up in rockbox and having to kill the battery to reboot.
01:00:43Lope1448is there a way to do a hard reset?
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01:01:07spike__i haven't heard of the clip having the same problem as the fuze with that
01:01:15spike__but i'm not sure
01:01:33Lope1448does it take much space making these voice files for all your folders?
01:01:39markunLope1448: keep the power button pressed for something like 30 seconds
01:03:33Lope1448when i boot rockbos it says plugin error
01:03:42Lope1448is there a log that says what the error is?
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01:04:58Lope1448oh i see the talk files are only a few k
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01:05:54krabadorhi people, i would inform about an issue i find with some skins, on fuze v1. i load a skin , and if i load another skin and i come back to the previous, the skin have fonts colours and some other setting of the last skin
01:06:19spike__are you rebooting inbetween skins?
01:06:42krabadorafter reboot i've the same
01:07:36spike__maybe the new skin isn't changing everything that the one before it did
01:07:39[AndrewR]nice, I updated my sansa and I can copy files right in rockbox instead of rebooting
01:08:41Lope1448do u have clip+?
01:09:04krabadorspike__, for example, most of the time i use amarok, when i try some other, like rockamp, and i reload amarok, i've some setting of rockamp
01:09:47Lope1448i want to get rid of this 'plugin returned error' message from my bootup. so I'm thinking of backing up my fonts and themes folders then uninstalling rockbox, then reinstalling. will that work?
01:10:04krabadorspike__, i've this with many skins
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01:11:30Lope1448is there a way to tell what is causing the plugin error on boot?
01:19:36Lope1448i clicked 'uninstall rockbox base' and its been doing something for about a minute, no actual progress bar, player says 'writing'
01:20:04Lope1448what do I do if this keeps going indefinitely?
01:20:13Lope1448how long should it take?
01:22:25Lope1448seemed to finish fine
01:23:52Lope1448i don't have a bin file anymore
01:24:07Lope1448i've got a feeling I must sort that out or my player is gonna be bricked.
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01:31:19Lope1448can someone tell me what files are needed for a default installation?
01:31:28Lope1448do you just need clppa?
01:32:58Lope1448okay, praying its not bricked.
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01:34:59Lope1448pfew, working fine. that Rockbox utility uninstall didn't work properly. it got stuck and I closed it. then there was no clppa.bin file in the root. luckily I checked.
01:37:59Lope1448i know what went wrong
01:38:11Lope1448i chose the wrong folder when I wanted to generate talk files
01:38:21Lope1448and that created a zillion talk files in all the rockbox folders.
01:38:34spike__thats a lot
01:40:51Lope1448it might be a good idea to update the utility for noobs who think they'll just create talk files for the whole drive, so ti doesn't allow that :)
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01:55:23Lope1448whats the best tts engine
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02:27:21Lope1448is there any way to stop rockbox from speaking numbers?
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02:30:48Ultimate_VikingOn the v2 fuze, do i just put the .rockbox file, the .bin file, and the bootloader to the root, in msc mode?
02:35:43krazykitthe manual has an explanation for installing manually
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03:06:02cardamonTyring to get my Fuze working. I got the stuff on here, but now that I go and futz with it...
03:07:24cardamonshould it be offf or on when I plug it in?
03:08:32cardamonIf it's off, and I plug it in, the Sansa fireware boots up.
03:09:03spike__make sure its fully charged
03:09:13spike__then turn it on without having it plugged in
03:09:16spike__if i remember right
03:09:35cardamonOkay. I'm having trouble with it mounting. I'll try that.
03:10:53cardamonspike__: turn it on in Sansa firmware or Rockbox?
03:12:12spike__ohhh you're just having trouble mounting it?
03:12:19spike__have you tried msc mode
03:12:23cardamonYeah. First time since I put Rockbox on.
03:12:26cardamonAnd yes.
03:12:41cardamonbut I'll doublecheck.
03:13:15spike__i think they are still using the original sansa firware for filesystem access
03:13:45cardamonDoes Rockbox have a setting for MSC on it, or do I need to switchover?
03:13:48Lope1448I'm glad the sansa players are so popular
03:13:56spike__i think you need to switch over
03:14:01Lope1448finally hopefully manufacturers will realize what a decent mp3 player is.
03:14:04spike__yea, sansas are great and so ceap
03:14:51Lope1448yeah, sound quality, standard mini-usb, microSD slot, MSC, folder workable, rockboxable.
03:15:02Lope1448i'm surprised manufacturers still make their own firmware.
03:15:15spike__yea rockbox is so great
03:15:16Lope1448they should just ship it standard with a custom version of rockbox.
03:15:22cardamonOkay, it must have switched back over from MSC to auto.
03:15:30spike__i don't even want to have a mp3 player that i can't use rockbox with
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03:17:28cardamonDoes it need to be in Sansa or Rockbox when I plug it in?
03:17:42saratogawhich player?
03:17:56spike__oh my god!! my sansa fuze finally ran out of batteries and unbricked itself
03:18:06spike__took two full days
03:18:18cardamonspike__: A fuze v2.
03:18:29saratogayou'll need to be in the OF to use USB
03:18:39cardamonOriginal Firmware?
03:18:41saratogaspike__: are you running the latest bootloader on the fuze? i thought that issue was fixed now
03:18:55spike__i don't think it is the latest one, i got it a few months ago
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03:19:20spike__yes saratoga v2, so they fixxed that issue?
03:19:31spike__i guess i should update it then, its the second time i've had it happen by mistake
03:19:35saratogai think so, or at least it should be extremely unlikely to happen again
03:19:45saratogano one has reported that problem in months
03:19:57Lope1448gl, thanks for the help guys! enjoy
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03:20:38cardamonI haven't figure out how to make playlists yet. I should RTFM.
03:20:42spike__where should i get the latest build from ?
03:21:46cardamonwhat's ROOT.m3u8?
03:21:46saratogadownload link on our website, or from rbutil
03:22:57spike__good to know its somewhat fixed now
03:23:50saratogato be clear, i meant that you had to update your bootloader, not rockbox itself
03:24:02saratogaso patch a new firmware file and then flash it to your clip
03:24:52saratogahmm actually i tink i'm mixing up the v1 and v2
03:25:00saratogai guess just updating rockbox should be enough
03:25:06saratogait was the v1 that needed the new bootloader
03:25:18saratogai can't keep these sansas straight anymore
03:28:38spike__ahh, i'm thinking about just leaving it as it is, i've only run in to the problem while putting usb power to it while rockbox is loading
03:28:46spike__i think i'll just avoid doing that in the future
03:30:14cardamonAll I know is mine's a v2, I got the appropriate build of Rockbox, and while it works, I haven't figured everything out yet. So I don't know if it's quirky because I don't know what I'm doing or because I'm using a build that's not 100% finished.
03:30:43saratogaspike__: if you mean you've got a rockbox build from a couple months ago, you should probably update
03:30:51saratogaif you meant the bootloader, then yeah don't worry about it
03:32:23spike__it was the whole build from like 5~ months ago when i got the sansa
03:32:45spike__are there many other big improvements that have happened lately?
03:32:47saratogathen you should update
03:33:00saratogatoo many to list
03:33:09spike__=D awesome
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03:43:57spike__wooa nice 2010-06-24: Increased maximum volume level on Clipv2, Clip+ and Fuzev2
03:54:13cardamonWell this theme didn't work.
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04:06:18cardamonHmm, converting some avi to play on my sansa, what should I put them in?
04:09:24spike__have you tried the video4fuze program?
04:10:38timonatoroh, people are discussing the sansa players. i feel like in rockbox my battery time is severely decreased - is there a way to find out if it's real or just my imagination?
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04:12:08cardamontimonator: There's a battery benchmark under the plugins.
04:12:54cardamonAlthough I don't know what it'll tell you. I mean, conceivably you could just set it to play and time how long it takes to stop yourself.
04:12:55timonatordoes it require me to leave the sansa (a clip+ btw) running until the battery dies?
04:14:11cardamonWell there's no other way to tell. Battery lives are fairly unique.
04:14:32timonatoranother thing that i've been experiencing on it recently is that it'd freeze on the startup screen (where it'd tell the rockbox version). it would freeze before setting the oled(?) brightness and it would require me to turn it off by keeping the power button depressed for 15 seconds. i suppose i'll see if i can update it soon and try to reproduce it reliably
04:14:39cardamonLithium Ion's storage capacity degrades over time (about 20% for laptop batteries a year).
04:15:13cardamonSo depending on how much use it's seen, the size of the battery's cells, the efficency of the's gonna vary.
04:15:30timonatorthe clip+ is supposed to have 15 hours - can i expect it to be anywhere near that when using rockbox? or do i have to expect a decrease to 7 hours or so?
04:15:33cardamonYour best bet for conserving power? Turn down the screen's brightness.
04:16:11cardamontimonator: Time it with the screen off and music playing.
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04:16:52timonatori'll start charging right now and see if i can leave it running over night. the benchmark wouldn't need me to attend it, right?
04:17:12cardamonI don't know. You'll have to read the instructions.
04:17:20timonatorwill do. thanks!
04:18:05cardamonHey, I found a theme I liked but it pushes all my menus into a smaller section of the screen. I can see through them all, but they're not taking up as much vertical space as they could on the other screens.
04:18:17cardamoner on the other themes
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04:24:25timonatorhow hard is it to hack the text editor? it's so incredibly hard to use with the clip+… maybe someone (maybe me?!) could port a version of dasher to rockbox. heh.
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04:28:34cardamonI like these themes, but for some reason they're squishing the amount of visible menu space to about 2/3rds of the vertical. Is this common?
04:30:15cardamonHmm. it's squishing the horizontal too.
04:31:05JdGordon|it is easy to fix yourself
04:31:18JdGordon|the themer probably puts AA or track info in the empty space?
04:31:45cardamonI don't know what that means.
04:31:50cardamonIt's happening on most of them.
04:32:16cardamonJdGordon|: on the play screens, the themes work fine.
04:32:23spike__my favorite theme by far is SimplyRich
04:33:03JdGordon|the theme is working how it should, it sounds like the themer is a bit odd though :p
04:33:25JdGordon|open .rockbox/wps/<themename>.sbs in a text editor and find the line starting with %Vi
04:33:36JdGordon|the person who made the theme
04:34:07cardamonIt's most of the themes I picked.
04:34:54JdGordon|ok, go into settings > theme settings > base skin, and load the "rockbox_failsafe" file
04:37:44cardamonThere's no %Vi in that file...
04:37:53JdGordon|which file?
04:37:55cardamonJust %V and %Vf
04:37:59cardamonthe .wps
04:38:25cardamonhold on...unmounting.
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04:40:24cardamonJdGordon|: Tried rockbox_failsafe. It did nothing.
04:42:17cardamoncabbiev2, the default theme, still works and its menus take up the whole thing. Ein, Pen&Paper do not.
04:42:57JdGordon|becuase their .sbs needs fising to use the full screen
04:44:43cardamonWhere is that?
04:45:37JdGordon|open .rockbox/wps/<themename>.sbs in a text editor and find the line starting with %Vi
04:45:56cardamonThere isn't one.
04:46:03cardamoncreate it?
04:46:18JdGordon|no, then loading rockbox_failsafe should have fixed it
04:46:24JdGordon|unless you loaded it from the wrong menu
04:46:51cardamonthe only .sbs I have is
04:49:01cardamonOkay, I'm in it, in the cabbiev2 theme that actually works.
04:50:25cardamonSettings> Theme Settings> Browse Theme Files> The theme I want
04:51:13cardamonSettings> Theme Settings> Base Skin> rockbox_failsafe
04:51:56cardamonNo luck. Still tiny.
04:55:50cardamonI fixed it1
04:56:06cardamonLoad the failsafe theme first, then it.
04:57:02cardamonwell, it worked for one of them
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05:17:15cardamonSo to mount my Sansa Fuze, I need to turn it off so that it'll switch to the Sansa firmware when it mounts, right?
05:17:41cardamonI can charge in Rockbox firmware, but Ican't manipulate the files, right?
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05:26:27cardamonI'm having trouble with the FM on my Fuze. There's not clear indication of which button does what. How do I switch out of Preset mode so I can change to another station and add it as a preset?
05:27:11cardamonAh, hold down the home button.
05:27:27krazykitthis should be documented in the manual
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05:48:01cardamonWhat do you guys like for building playlists and putting song on your daps in linux?
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06:04:20spike__ok, got the current build of rockbox, patched the bootloader to the right firmware, nervous to flash the device, guess i'll wait for it to fully charge
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08:31:10BuschelCan someone with knowledge of the buffering/playback code check FS #10930 ? I found a simple workaround to fix the playback blocking. Maybe this simple workaround helps to understand the underlying issue?
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09:56:37JdGordonwould it be possible to add a link to yesterdays log on the irc page?
09:57:11JdGordonlog-yday would be rather useful for us future folk :p
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10:14:21JdGordonhas anyone had any thoughts about how to make getting to music in the app easier from the filebrowser? Would there be outrage if we simply added a "start filebrowser here" setting (so it would always open in /home/foo/music but could still navigate up to / )?
10:14:48JdGordonas apposed to the −−root option which IIUC changes / to the given folder?
10:19:25kugeliirc the plan was to add a setting to specify music directories
10:19:59JdGordondirectories plural? and then what?
10:20:13AlexPJdGordon: I think some people would like that for the daps too
10:20:15JdGordonthat would be fine for the database I guess, but I dont want to use the db
10:20:24AlexPSoo you select filebrowser and it starts at a given directory
10:20:43kugeland displaying shortcuts to them in /
10:20:55JdGordonAlexP: indeed, I cant imagine it would be difficult to add which is why I ask
10:21:37AlexPDo it like the recording dir selection maybe
10:22:03JdGordonkugel: a start folder would beat that (imo) because on any OS which can run the app you can do symlinks which would be nicer than that sort of hack/mod
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10:24:41pixelmaI thought people would like the "last browsed" position be remembered across reboots, wouldn't that be easier?
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10:26:56JdGordonthat wouldnt solve the problem completly
10:27:55funmanwhat about not building plugin.c and the plugins menu entry if plugins are not enabled?
10:28:10funmanENABLEDPLUGINS is already present in the Makefile
10:33:42funmanUbuntu "fixed" their arm cross compiler to a point where it can't build rockbox
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10:48:38funmansome code in apps/ use plugin buffer, weird.
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11:00:40JdGordonwhy is that wierd?
11:00:43JdGordonits a useful temp buffer
11:00:59funmanwhy not audiobuffer?
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11:01:09JdGordonit might be busy
11:01:26funmanpluginbuffer might be non existent
11:02:10JdGordonthen the size param will be set to 0 and the caller will probably try audiobuffer instead
11:02:17funmanor equally busy
11:02:45JdGordonyes, but using audiobuf means stopping playback
11:02:53funmanbookmark.c assumes plugin_get_buffer() always return high enough buffer
11:04:37JdGordonthat code cant be got to while a plugin is running (except battery bench which doesnt use the whole buffer IIRC), and yes, memory management sucks
11:05:56funmanahah, android has a plugin buffer anyway
11:07:25JdGordonthere are a few plugins which we should look into compiling into the core if plugins are disabled... random folder advance, properties, credits
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11:20:51funmani want to remove the status table from SansaAMS wiki, anyone against?
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11:21:31funmani think it would be better summarized as 2 lines saying "USB AMSv2: in progress" and "m200v4: playback crashes"
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11:25:47JdGordonhmm, ok this start folder is dead simple to add, except if you keep backing out of the browser (i.e keep pressing left untill you are in / and then once more) it doesnt start you back in /music/ if thats what you chose... or should that be the expected behaviour?
11:42:51JdGordon"set as browser root" or "set as opening browser folder" or?
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11:44:41JdGordonAlexP: pixelma?
11:45:30Tentaclerhi RB developers, have you planned to work for Sansa Fuze+ port?
11:45:59AlexPJdGordon: Hmmm, that's tricky actually - I'm not sure if I'd expect it to start from there everytime, or where you left it
11:46:22AlexPTentacler: Interested owners do the ports, the devs just do what interests them
11:46:46AlexPTentacler: If an existing dev choses to get a Fuze+ then they ma well start to port it, but there are no plans as such
11:47:03JdGordonI've set it to start there always, its one line change if we decide to undo that... help with the setting name very much needed though
11:47:21TentaclerAlexP, ok, thanx
11:49:45*JdGordon settles on "Open File Browser Here"
11:50:52AlexPJdGordon: Maybe with always?
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12:01:25JdGordonAlexP: and for the reset item? "open file browser at /"?
12:02:08AlexPOr "Reset file browser start"?
12:02:27AlexPOr root or / or ... ?
12:03:00JdGordonreset file browser start location is a bit longwinded
12:03:27JdGordon"always open file browser here" is too
12:03:37AlexPI wouldn't have location on there
12:03:48AlexPBut yeah, I don't know
12:04:08AlexPAnyone else have suggestions?
12:04:17AlexPThis'll be nice for translators too :)
12:04:35JdGordonI'm dropping always to make it a bit shorter (especially if we decide to change that behaviour)
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12:05:18AlexPI only suggested always because of that behaviour :)
12:05:22AlexPBut yes, it is long
12:05:24JdGordonthe reset option is on with the file browser settings, not the same place it is actually set so it needs to say what it is
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12:08:23JdGordonI guess it doesnt really matter untill most translations are updated so I'll commit it as is and we can discuss it if someone comes up with something better
12:11:25pixelmawouldn't "always" also be wrong as it could give the impression that once you leave the file browser (not shutting doen) and re-enter it you would also start there but without the reboot you'll be in the last directory before leaving, or am I misunderstanding?
12:11:55JdGordonpretty much
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12:13:02pixelmawhich part?
12:14:25JdGordonthis change sets the folder to open in any time it would start in /.. which means on boot and when you exit the browser by press back
12:14:48JdGordonmaybe s/open/start/ in the names?
12:17:49*JdGordon finds it strange the langs arnt all dependant on english.lang
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12:30:04kugelJdGordon: not any os can do symlinks easy (windows), also a user might not be able to place files in /
12:31:05JdGordonwindows after xp does have links, and yes, but this still lets you put all your symlinks in /home/user/rockbox/music nice and conviniently
12:34:40CIA-81New commit by jdgordon (r28206): Merge branch 'startfolder'
12:34:48JdGordonoh lame!
12:35:11JdGordonI thought git merge pulls in the seperate commits?
12:35:34kugelno, it merges :)
12:37:14CIA-81r28206 build result: All green
12:38:51JdGordonwhat was the command I wanted?
12:39:03*JdGordon wants to undo that and redo it properly :/
12:41:02kugelJdGordon: rebase (multiple commits) or merge −−squash (1 commit)
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12:54:41JdGordon1fixed... well close enough... 2 tiny fixes didnt get mentioned but no big deal
12:56:01kugelJdGordon1: I just mentioned we don't want commit message changing anymore
12:56:21kugelnow Zagor needs to fix the git mirror again, and everyone elses git-svn checkout is broken as well
12:57:20JdGordon1well, I was always against adding that optoin anyway so :)
12:57:28kugelyou're purposely ignoring what we decide?
12:58:14*JdGordon1 didnt see anything about not changing messages
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13:05:40JdGordon1if that does break things them mabe its better to disable it again?
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14:25:22preglow_jhMikeS_: ping?
14:27:47*JdGordon notes noone replied to his release ml and so volanteers AlexP to get the ball rolling :)
14:28:09AlexPheh, can do :)
14:28:29AlexPIn a little while anyroad
14:28:46JdGordonthe questions about the clip not installing is enough to make it worth doing
14:29:12AlexPThat could be "fixed" by just making the scripts think the clip is unstable though
14:31:11JdGordoncan the sim "make install" do the fonts also?
14:31:32AlexPmake fullinstall
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14:34:10JdGordonah :)
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15:05:01JdGordonI'm fiddling with the slider thing in the progressbar to make it slightly nicer, makeing it overlap the fillbar a bit.. should I make it overlap 1/2 of the slider image to be simple, or 1/4, or?
15:06:25JdGordonyou shuld be able to use the transaprent colour to make really odd shaped slider images using this
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17:26:07saratogafunman: did you mean to delete the device chart on the sansaams page?
17:26:53dfktis there any difference in efficiency/cpu-intensity between album art formats? jpeg (baseline/optimized), bmp? the cowon x5 is a bit slow with album art (also small files), i wonder if that could be optimized.
17:32:35evilnick_Bdfkt: I'd expect that bmp requires less processing
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17:59:17sudomanis there anyone with a 5.5G (or even 5G?) ipod that isn't having this problem:?
18:00:48GodEaterI've not had that on my 5.5G for ages
18:01:11sudomanshoot... i'm getting it on my 80 gb 5.5g
18:01:53pixelmajust to be fair, could you please try with a current build, not the 3.6 release?
18:02:35sudomani tried out the current build a few days ago, but it broke the wps.. iirc, it still had the issue
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19:06:44mungewellHi. Is there a way to force PictureFlow to rescan music directory tree (as it once did automagically). I have added some album art but it is not displaying it.... art is display OK when track is selected though. Directories have art in a file called 'cover.jpg'.
19:08:42pixelmathere's a "rescan" option somewhere in the Pictureflow menu - and you may need to update the database too if you haven't already
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19:09:33pixelma"Rebuild Cache" in pictureflow's "Settings" menu
19:09:57mungewellI have tried updating and initilising DB with no luck, I'll try to find the PictureFlow menu...
19:10:59pixelmahow to get there should be mentioned in our manual for your player (which you didn't mention yet)
19:11:00mungewellah got it.... 'rebuild cache'. Thanks.
19:12:23mungewelljust have to download all the other covers I suppose now.... just picked up a Sansa Fuze for my daughter, and was happy to find the RockBox works on it. You guys Rock!!!
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19:54:13sudomanok, so i installed the current build on my ipod 5.5G (hw rev. 0x000B0011), but I'm still having the issue described here:
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20:39:31pixelmahmm, anyone seen mt lately?
20:40:08pixelmalogbot has, a few days ago
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20:41:53BuschelTo ask for help again: Can someone with knowledge of the buffering/playback code check FS #10930 ? I found a simple workaround to fix the playback blocking. Maybe this simple workaround helps to understand the underlying issue?
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20:55:23Buschelwow, the battery_bench on my nano2g shows 21:49h −− impressive
20:56:13BuschelI did only undervolt the core to 0.975V
21:00:05AlexPBuschel: Compared to what normally?
21:01:21BuschelAlexP: the undervolting does not have a big effect. I just wanted to state that the runtime of nano2g quite high compared to other players
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21:01:34AlexPah right
21:01:53bertrikWhat battery capacity does it have?
21:02:09alexbobPhow do you undervolt your mp3 player?
21:04:38Buschelbertrik: should be 400 mAh
21:04:38bertrikalexbobP, it's specific to the SoC in the player and not all can do it
21:04:38BuschelalexbobP: you need to change source code to do so
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21:06:29bertrikBuschel, I got 17+ hours on a clip+ with a 290 mAh battery, not bad either :)
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21:17:26Buschelbertrik: that's also quite impressive
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21:49:27timonatormy sansa clip+ just did 15 hours and 15 minutes continuous playback. not nearly as much display-time as usual (as i'd often skip songs), but that's awesome.
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21:56:23sudomani'm trying to build rockbox 3.6. i have the arm-eabi toolchain installed, but configure is complaining that there's no arm-elf-gcc, etc., but i have arm-elf-eabi-gcc instead. is there a way to choose eabi, or do i have to compile the older toolchain?
22:02:50bertrikarm-eabi is good, you shouldn't need the old arm-elf-gcc
22:03:29gevaertswell, 3.6 wasn't compiled using arm-eabi
22:03:45bertrikoh sorry
22:04:32sudomanwhat if i make sym-links?
22:05:18gevaertsarm-elf-eabi-gcc is not the same as arm-elf-gcc
22:05:24gevaertsIf you want the latter, build it
22:06:28bertrikAre you sure you *want* to compile 3.6, why not just the very latest?
22:09:46sudomanbetrik: because the latest breaks the wps (and base theme) for retrotape.cfg
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22:16:01AlexPIt would seem much more sensible to fix the theme to me
22:48:01CIA-81New commit by lenzone10 (r28208): Updated italian translation.
22:52:59CIA-81r28208 build result: All green
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22:53:58gevaertsSlow CIA-81?
22:54:06*gevaerts kicks CIA-81 for good measure
22:54:40Bagderyeah, I wish we got the CIA-79 back ;-P
22:55:22gevaertsDon't you get a different CIA-* if you kick one? We could try :)
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23:23:51BuschelJdGordon: good to see you, just updated a patch and comment to FS #10930
23:24:02BuschelJdGordon: any idea?
23:24:40JdGordonI dont really know that code at all, just that not memsetting is a really wierd way of fixing bugs :/
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23:26:11BuschelJdGordon: it is a workaround not a real fix. it also gives more information about where to search for the root cause
23:27:40Buschelanyway... will go to bed now
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23:40:19sudomanhooray! the ipod_4g_button_int-variant2-v2.patch against 3.6 fixed for my 5.5G ipod!
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