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#rockbox log for 2010-10-06

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03:07:49mungewellHi. Is it possible to disable some features (such as Radio and Recording). I
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03:08:18mungewellI'm setting up a Fuze for a 7 year old and these are just confusing/awkward.
03:08:42helphello?
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03:11:37Guest64747hello?
03:11:37tmzt_Guest64747: there was somebody complaining about missing modules not showing up in the menu, so I guess you could delete the rocks from your install but be prepared to restore it if that doesn't work
03:12:01tmzt_also, not sure what is a separate module and what isn't, so it might not help in your case
03:12:20Guest64747i have a quick ?
03:12:39tmzt_oh sorry
03:12:48soap__mungewell, no - it is not possible to disable menu items w/o compiling your own buid.
03:12:50tmzt_I was answering mungewell I guess
03:12:55Guest64747i have a sansa clip + and the usb support is disabled is there a way i can enable it
03:12:57tmzt_sorry soap__
03:13:00soap__IF you want to do that, it is pretty straightforward.
03:13:21soap__but the menus can not be customized.
03:14:16mungewellOK. Thanks. I might just set the 'Start Screen' to PictureFlow and suggest that she reboots if she gets lost in the menus....
03:14:40soap__in regards to tmzt's comment, .rocks are plugins and appear in the plugin menu, as opposed to the main menu items mungewell asked about.
03:15:12soap__go "back" enough and you'll always end up in the main menu.
03:15:27soap__it's not really that deep.
03:15:31Guest64747i have a sansa clip + and the usb support is disabled in the rockbox firmware is there a way i can enable the usb port on there
03:17:36mungewellGoing from memory the PictureFlow plugin worked differently when launched from Plugins/WPS Context menu. From plugin 'Play/Pause' selected the track (added to dynamic playlist) whereas from Context you have to use 'Right' to select track (which plays immediate, but Picture Flow doesn't return to WPS). Is this intentional, or a bug with the Fuze port?
03:17:39Guest64747???
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03:18:16mungewellGuest64747: You can hold Left when booting to boot original firmware. My clip will automatically boot OF when USB is connected...
03:18:53Guest64747i want to enable it within rockbox
03:19:10tmzt_the bootloader doesn't detect usb on clip+ yet?
03:20:08Guest64747if in in the of it automatically connects to my computer but in the rock box firmware it wont allow me to connect
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03:21:55mc2739Guest64747: USB support for clip+ does not work yet, which is why it is still disabled
03:23:25mungewellGuest64747: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Specific_problems
03:24:20Guest64747it did in a previous firmware but it says it was disabled because it wasnt stable i dont need it stable i just need it to be able to work
03:26:45JdGordon|if it worked reliably it would be enabled
03:27:38mc2739Guest64747: it *does not* work yet. if you wish to help make it work, you can change a setting in the config file to enable USB and build your own build, but don't expect to be able to use it to copy files at this stage
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03:29:17Guest64747thanks mc2739. Im kinda new to all of this but what cng. file would i actually alter to enable this because i wasnt able to find it in none of the base cng files.
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03:30:04soap__Guest64747, you need to have a build enviroment set up.
03:30:25mc2739Guest64747: it is a config file in the source code (sansaclipplus.h)
03:30:26soap__it isn't a .cfg file in the standard install, a config in the source code is what mc2739 is talking about
03:32:55Guest64747..mmmhhhmmm lol sorry to be bothering yall. do yall kno of any good enviroments and how do i find the source code?
03:33:17soap__Rockbox provides the enviroment you need
03:34:01mc2739http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
03:34:27soap__http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/CrossCompiler to build the enviroment and mc2739 beat me
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03:38:22Guest64747ok thanks i think ill just wait or try to find the old firmware that had it enabled
03:38:27Guest64747THANKS :D
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04:12:23saratogaGuest64747: i saw you asked about Clip+ USB on the forums
04:13:04saratogato be 100% clear, you're aware its not really usable right? so if you enable that its going to try and go into USB mode and then at best probably error out quickly, and at worst maybe corrupt your file system or set your house on fire ;)
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04:52:48NausicaaI had no idea that it would do that
04:53:05NausicaaI'm waiting on it it work on my Clip v2
04:53:20NausicaaIs the v1 always on the highest clocked setting?
04:53:48saratogaNausicaa: no, it scales
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06:12:21NausicaaMines is constantly at 8 hours
06:12:29Nausicaathe battery life at least
06:12:39NausicaaI don't know if it was due to the cpu or whatever
06:14:19saratogaNausicaa: what do you mean?
06:14:37NausicaaWell the battery is always has 8 hours or less
06:14:47NausicaaIs it the hardware battery?
06:15:00NausicaaOr does rockbox just use that much more power on it currently?
06:17:14saratogathat run time is just the total battery time expected minus how long you've been running, more or less
06:17:34NausicaaHmm I didn't know that
06:17:40NausicaaIt says something different on my v2
06:18:07NausicaaSo I assumed wrong about the CPU being clocked to the hardest permanently, I always thought it was clocked there to prevent crashes and stuff haha
06:19:42spike__fuze v2?
06:20:40NausicaaClip v2
06:25:05saratogaclipv2 still doesn't scale
06:25:12saratogathough i'm not sure if theres any real reason for that anymore
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09:12:37kugelJdGordon: how do you know that the list (content) changed from within the list code?
09:13:37kugelmy pixel-accurate scrolling needs a way to reset the y offset when a new list is drawn
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09:14:29JdGordon|you dont
09:15:10JdGordon|just reset whenever the selection == 0
09:15:25JdGordon|or (maybe) gui_synclist_init() is called
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09:23:49*JdGordon| wonders how hard it would be to popup a java window for text input instead of using rockboxs (rather shitty) vkeyboard on java?
09:23:57JdGordon|and how to do the same for the sdl app
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09:28:10wodzJdGordon: Is it correct that You have archos recorder?
09:28:53wodzteru: ping
09:28:57JdGordon|I own one, but I dont have it here... its at home in Melbourne
09:29:11wodz:/
09:29:18teruwodz: pong
09:30:30JdGordon|wodz: pity you didnt ask me last week... I could have brought it here :/
09:31:10wodzteru: I have problems with buffer management in imageviewer plugin
09:32:17wodzteru: If I do aligning of disp_buf the code 'works' on my mini1G but there are some display corruptions and sometimes it just hangs
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09:33:17wodzteru: Honestly I don't quite understand how this work together
09:34:47terui'm not sure which part you are talking about. load_image or get_image or something else?
09:35:13wodzwait a sec - I'll open the code
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09:40:01wodzload_and_show() calls load_image()
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09:40:26wodzit passes ptr to buffer which decoder is free to use as I understand
09:40:37teruyes.
09:41:07wodznow decoder uses this buffer and places decoded image at the begining
09:42:47wodzat the end of load_image() there is set ptr to disp_buf and buf_size is updated
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09:43:49wodzthis disp_buf is needed for scaled down versions right?
09:44:10teruyes
09:44:36wodzso this disp_buf has to be aligned
09:45:19wodzwhat alignment is needed? FB_DATA_SZ or just 4?
09:46:43teruFB_DATA_SZ should be enough for color targets, and i think aligning is not needed for non-color targets.
09:48:26wodzmy experience with mini1G is that if I use simple disp_buf = (fb_data *)(p_decoder->buf + p_decoder->native_img_size); the plugin display garbage or simply hangs
09:49:38wodz(native_img_size is real size without additional line buf as it is not needed after decoding)
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09:51:21terudid you check where it hangs?
09:52:23wodzit either tries to display something - gives garbage and hangs or display splash "loading" and hangs
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09:56:42teruin your patch on the tracker, the line where *buf_size is set is commented out. if the value isn't set correctly, it could do something bad when there is not enough buffer left for scaled down image
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10:00:01wodzI have this http://www.pastie.org/1202534 at the end of load_image()
10:01:49teruit looks correct.
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10:02:46wodzok have to go - I think I'll have to go with good old printf-way of debugging
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10:26:26PyroBorI just compile the 1.2.8 from source on my 64bit Linux machine run it and it reports that there is new version available (1.2.8). Practical identical to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11439 Here is my trace: http://pastebin.com/GDjuAweR
10:26:57PyroBorhi btw :)
10:26:58funmanPyroBor: it's been reported on irc yesterday
10:27:16PyroBorow. ok :)
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10:34:31pSiKOhi funnman
10:34:43pSiKOI've got info about sdcard
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10:43:39JdGordonhas anyone had any thoughts about where to put code which is a apps/ call to the host environment in a nice way?
10:44:24JdGordoni.e I want to route kbd_input() to java on android, do we want a hosted/ folder in apps? or put it through firmware/target/ ?
10:46:00JdGordonor do I just wrap the keyboard.c file in a #ifdef and put it in messily?
10:48:10funmanif it can be put in different files forget the #ifdef
10:48:13ThanatosIts java based?
10:48:28ThanatosDoes that make it slower and more memory wasteful?
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10:49:32funmanThanatos: yes android is java based and please stay on topic
10:49:53JdGordonfunman: I'm working on the assumption that this wont be the only thing we want the host to eventually control, so yeah I want to do it right... apps/hosted (apps/hosted/[sdl|android]/ even maybe)?
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10:50:29JdGordonfor android it will mostly be wrappers so not much code, for things like last.fm logging it could be heaps
10:51:28funmanapps/hosted sounds good at first sight
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10:52:32funmanpSiKO: do you know the class of your cards?
10:52:40pixelmaThanatos: Rockbox is not but I'm not sure which "it" you are referring to
10:53:39pSiKOfunnman: nop, how can I can know it ?
10:54:32funmanit's written on the card or the packaging. on the card i have there's a '6' inside a circle just right to the 'microSDHC' logo on the card
10:54:44ThanatosThe port to app was what I meant
10:55:11funmanit's a Transcend 4GB too but it's reported as 0x773000 blocks, not 0x77F000 blocks like yours
10:55:24JdGordonthere is a small java layer to make it work on android, it is still mostly c
10:55:50funmanis the asm enabled now on android builds?
10:56:36tmzt_its 2d blit not 3d flipping?
10:56:46pSiKOfunman: ok both class 6, I update my post
10:56:59ThanatosThanks!
10:57:01funmanpSiKO: then, i don't know what is going wrong. where do you live?
10:57:07ThanatosI am glad to know that ( ﾟ ヮﾟ)
10:57:11pSiKOFrance
10:57:51funmansame, Dijon here. if you can send me your card (wrapped in a postcard for example to avoid tempting the postman) i could have a look at it and send it back to you after
10:58:02pSiKOok nice
10:58:15pSiKOI'm in paris
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14:59:24pixelmawhat is the reason for this pixel-accurate scrolling for non-touchscreen targets. it seems all got it?
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15:02:57kugelthe smaller reds for the others is because the lcd_* api has been extended
15:03:01kugelred delta*
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16:31:35Innomenhi all, question, of the supported mp3 players which is the highest capacity?
16:31:58Tornestock capacity, the ipod video 80gb
16:32:33Torneupgraded.. probably also ipod video, which people have put a 240gb drive in :)
16:33:09gevaertsTechnically, the old Archoses, since you can get 320gb drives that fit in those. That's not an ideal setup by any means though
16:33:20Innomenthe page says "Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g, iPod Mini and iPod Nano 1g "
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16:34:19Tornegevaerts: not being able to expose all of it over usb is a bit nasty, yes :)
16:34:34TorneInnomen: the ipod video is the 5g/5.5g
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16:34:54InnomenI'm going to be buying an mp3 player with 40gb at least I would like one compatible with the project, ipod looks like the way to go, good hardware so it seems. When buying is "ipod video" a sufficient search term?
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16:35:12Innomenahh so that's a series number not a size notation
16:35:25Torne5th generation, yes
16:35:36Innomenthank you :)
16:35:45Tornemost ipods on sale are not described accurately
16:35:53DriseHey guys, just wondering why the SansaAMS page has the stability/compatibility table removed
16:35:56Tornenot all ipod videos will be called that
16:36:08InnomenCan you recommend a course of action then?
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16:36:14Tornesome may be mislabelled as ipod classic or just not described in detail at all
16:36:48LloreanInnomen: But as a loose rule, if it's a 30gb, 40gb (Photo) or 60gb iPod it'll work (unless someone's gone crazy and swapped the drives on a newer one). Only the 80gb ones will be dubious.
16:36:56LloreanSince that could be a Video or could be a "Classic"
16:37:09Torneyou can tell the difference with a decent picture
16:37:18pixelmabut there are also "Classic" Ipods which are the 6th generation, be sure not to confuse them
16:37:22Tornevideos have a plastic, flat front panel
16:37:24LloreanAnd 120/160/bigger are going to be the "Classic" model
16:37:27InnomenI'll eBay and link here if that's allowed for opinions
16:37:33Innomen60 would be ideal
16:37:37Tornethe classics have a metl front panel with rounded edges
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16:39:53gevaertsInnomen: maybe discussion of specific ebay auctions would be a bit more appropriate for #rockbox-community
16:40:16Innomennot finding any anyway hehe its all broken ones
16:40:42Innomenit seems pretty clear now what I should be looking for
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16:40:49Tornejust search for ipod 60gb
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16:41:03Tornemany of them won't say video or 5g at all
16:41:39InnomenI guess I'm just a cheapskate 200$ seems like a lot of money
16:41:57Tornei didn't pay that much for mine
16:42:00gevaertsThat sounds like too much
16:42:15evilnick_B$200 for a 60GB model is too much, unless it's BNIB
16:42:18Innomenway too much to me hehe
16:42:20Tornemy 80gb was hm, $150 or so
16:42:41Tornewith a remote controk dock and stuff included
16:42:48Innomenneato
16:42:52Innomenremote control lol
16:43:21Innomenquestion, is it possible to delete a song from the device alone?
16:43:30evilnick_BWith RB, yes
16:43:32Tornein rockbox, yes
16:43:34Innomenusing rockbox of course
16:43:37Innomenoutstanding
16:43:52Innomenthat seals the deal for me
16:44:16Innomenwhen I ask people that they look at me like I have lobsters crawling out of my face most of the time
16:44:30Innomenlike omg who would EVER delete a song
16:44:51Innomenand I'm like <−−-< this guy
16:45:46InnomenI don't suppose you'll ever have iphone or ipod touch support :)
16:46:09funmanif you volunteer to do it why not
16:46:20evilnick_BInnomen: Nothing should be ruled out, but there's nothing happening in that direction as far as I know
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16:48:25InnomenWell thanks for your help guys :)
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16:49:26funmanthe android specific code isn't that big so adapting to iphone shouldn't be hard
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17:01:47Drisefunman, why did you remove the stability/compatibility table from the Sansa AMS page?
17:02:10funmani removed a table, but it wasn't related to stability or compatibility
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17:03:32Drisewell, the specific isues table, so to speak
17:03:46DriseI'm just curious, not angry or such.
17:03:50saratogai guess because they were all 100%
17:04:15Driseso V2 usb is up?
17:04:17funmanthere were 2 problems and i gave a whole line of text to each of them
17:04:41funmanClip+/Clipv2/Fuzev2: USB support is currently disabled because it fails randomly. Until its ready, use the OF's USB by booting the OF before connecting the USB cable.
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17:05:00funmanjust above Specific problems (Port Status)à
17:05:10Drisedoes it still fail?
17:05:47funmanyeah nothing changed
17:06:07busseneed some help with my nano 2g
17:07:08busseon display it only shows the ftl seems to be damaged.
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17:10:14Tornedon't do that, if someone can help you they will
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17:16:11sudomanshould i try ipod_4g_button_int-variant2-v2.patch from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5230 without the udelay? would that be safe? and if it works, could it make the patch more acceptable?
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17:16:26giovanni_I've got a littloe problem with r28214, about scrolling touch screen devices
17:16:51giovanni_It looks so much smoother, really, feel great but..
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17:17:16giovanni_I've got difficulties while selecting an item from the list
17:17:37Drisefunman: does it still fail? (got diconnected, sorry)
17:18:01funmanDrise: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20101006#17:05:47
17:19:05funmanyou can check yesterday logs i talked about USB with pamaury, but nothing in the foreseeable future :/
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17:21:51Drise_funman: does it still fail? (got diconnected, sorry)
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17:22:38pixelmagiovanni_: in absolute mode, I assume - maybe the touch area doesn't "scroll" as smoothly as the rest?
17:22:46funmanDrise_: check the irc logs, www.rockbox.org/irc - yes it still fails
17:22:55giovanni_yes, in absolute
17:23:20giovanni_the touch area still scrolling also if I am only pressing it to selecting an item
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17:30:04kugelgiovanni_: explain "difficulties"?
17:30:15giovanni_yes
17:30:17kugeloh, sorry, I saw it now
17:30:20kugelcan you compile?
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17:30:57kugelthere's SCROLL_BEGIN_THRESHOLD in apps/gui/bitmap/list.c. 3 worked nicely for me but it can be adjusted if needed
17:31:11giovanni_it is hard to select an item from the list because my selecting-touch is interpreted as a scrolling-touch
17:31:21giovanni_:D
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17:31:52giovanni_maybe it is the onda touch screen
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17:32:06kugelincreasing the value makes it less sensitive
17:32:31giovanni_may be added an option in preferences?
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17:36:38kugelgiovanni_: not if we find a value that works nicely for everyone
17:37:04giovanni_great, in fact I was asking it as a debug option...
17:39:22kugelgiovanni_: can you find a value that suits you?
17:39:49kugeljust try to change "#define SCROLL_BEGIN_THRESHOLD 3 " to "#define SCROLL_BEGIN_THRESHOLD 5 " or so
17:39:51giovanni_yes, I will take a look at it in 5 mins
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17:41:51giovanni_is there a ragnge for those values?
17:41:54giovanni_0 - 10 ?
17:43:21saratogafunman: is anything holding back frequency scaling on amsv2?
17:43:49saratogakugel: what is the hold up with switching android to absolute grid mode? is there a list of screens somewhere that need updating?
17:44:03kugelI don't know if there's a list
17:44:18kugelI know of pitchscreen and graphical equalizre
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17:44:34kugel(you can't get out of those in direct mode)
17:44:43saratogaEQ should probably be redesigned completely for touch
17:46:04saratogaFWIW in my quick testing on the clipv2, frequency scaling seemed to work fine, at least i could play music for a long while without any issues, though i can't remember what the original reason for disabling it was
17:46:58funmansaratoga: i haven't tested it in some time
17:47:19saratogai'll switch my players over to it and use them for a while and see if anything crashes
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18:06:43saratogahttp://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/rockbox-clipplus-frequency.7z
18:06:51saratogaif anyone else wants to try frequency scaling on the clip+
18:08:06giovanni_kugel: I'm facing more or less the same issue setting 5 where you suggest me
18:08:26giovanni_do I need instead to decrease? 1 - 2 ?
18:08:34kugelno
18:09:47giovanni_now tring with 8
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18:24:44giovanni_kugel: not usable also with 8
18:25:05kugelping me when you found a value
18:25:52giovanni_ok, may I grow up till 100?
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18:32:48rasherkugel: maybe it's time to switch the default to absolute point mode for raaa (or specifically on Android, perhaps)
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18:34:09kugelI'm not opposed to it
18:34:11rasherIf only to avoid early adopters warning everyone about how strange and scary Rockbox is
18:34:47AlexPyeah - if some screens aren't adapted it is just because the port isn't done, but with the grid mode people thing the whole thing is broken
18:35:00AlexP*think
18:35:16kugelI think the same
18:35:33kugelI've not used grid mode since day 1 of the port :)
18:36:10rasherI'd say do it
18:36:16AlexPme too
18:36:21gevaertskugel: could RaaA database crashes be caused by too deep directory trees?
18:36:34AlexPI'd also change other touchscreen targets :)
18:36:41kugelgevaerts: maybe...maybe not
18:37:22kugelpermissions or symlinks might also be problematic
18:38:29*kugel thinks AlexP's sentence would be a great commit message :)
18:38:32kugelgo for it! :P
18:38:51AlexPhehe :)
18:39:27rasherAlexP: There's still the argument that this makes Rocbkox not usable out of the box (or if you've reverted to defaults) for visually impaired users
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18:39:56rasheron the other hand it makes Rockbox seem broken for the rest, so I don't know
18:40:33kugelI still think "visually impaired people" don't buy touchscreen is a strong reason to ignore that idea
18:40:54*kugel moves the second " a bit farther
18:40:57pixelmacould the Rockbox Utility be able to write a cfg after a question about it on first installation?
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18:41:39AlexPrasher: I know, but I think that is a small number of people vs. the majority, and why are blind people buying touchscreen things anyway?
18:41:44gevaertsWe could have a baroque setup where the default is different if a voice file is found. Probably not a very good idea though
18:41:57AlexPrasher: Anyway, different argument - I'm content just with switching android for now
18:42:00AlexPor RaaA
18:42:27pixelmakugel: I think some visually impaired who already know about Rockbox might be willing to buy a touchscreen device if they know they get something seemingly quite usable (haven't tried myself though)
18:43:05kugelthen I suspect they know how to change the .cfg without using the player too
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18:46:34rasherpixelma: This is only really important for users who can't (or won't) easily get sighted help though
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19:05:52giovanni_kugel: can't find a good solution, to me it seems that the scroll works good with 5, the standard, maybe the problem is another one, I can't select the right way
19:06:39giovanni_by the way, I've just scratched the onda's screen with my nail....
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19:15:59pixelmarasher: but then Rockbox Utility isn't very accessible with some TTS and or system setups anyway. At least, back when I tried with the admittedly oldish MacOs 10.4 and its built-in voice support, it wasn't very helpful
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19:38:41pregloware the cygwin tools currently updated?
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19:42:34saratogapreglow: no, you'll need to run rockboxdev
19:42:38saratogafor arm at least
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19:43:38preglowas long as that works fine
19:44:01preglownever got this cygwin shit working properly, but i just can't be bothered to use linux atm :>
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20:00:41preglowgood to see it's slow as ever
20:01:31spike___yes
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20:08:51funmanit'd be faster to go to the shop, buy a computer, come back, and install linux
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20:13:28preglowor just goddamn booting the linux you already have
20:13:36preglowbut it takes longer to stop being a fool and doing so :/
20:14:08funmani think it's common knowledge than linux in a VM is faster than cygwin
20:14:58preglowi wonder how cygwin does it
20:15:05pregloweither the fork() emulation is _really_ heavy
20:15:10preglowor something fancy is going on
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21:02:38saratogafunman: was afriad you'd ask me that
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21:02:51saratogai guess i'll start a battery bench
21:03:03funman:)
21:03:15funmana reason i didn't invest much time in this patch is because battery life is already very decent
21:03:40funmanwhat is the FS# ?
21:04:34saratogai can't remember which patch it was with your battery benches
21:05:24funmanFS #11297
21:06:04funmansaratoga: oh and last patches *reduced* battery life
21:06:20saratogafunman: i didn't apply any patch, just edited the config file to enable scaling
21:06:38funmanoh
21:07:45saratogashould i test with that patch?
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21:11:16andromedeaI installed Rockbox on my sansa e260 and everything allegedly went successfully, but when I boot it, it goes to the default sansa software. Can anyone help me?
21:11:43saratogasure, explain what happened
21:12:03funmansaratoga: no, first test without to see if there is still a problem
21:12:17saratogafunman: ok i'll start it when the device is charged
21:13:36andromedeaI'm not sure what happened; it said that installation was complete.
21:14:07saratogahow did you install, and which e260 do you have?
21:14:11andromedeaIt's recognizing the device and going through the installation process.
21:14:15andromedeav2
21:14:43andromedeaI tried both with the quick start complete installation and the "installation" tab bootloader/installation
21:15:02saratogaso rbutil ;)
21:15:16saratogawhat did it say when you gave the installer the sandisk firmware file?
21:18:09andromedeahttp://see.forestrees.org/rockbox.jpg
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21:19:31andromedeaWhen I try to reinstall, it tells me "Rockbox installation detected"
21:21:18gevaertsandromedea: does it say something about updating firmware (or something similar) after the installation?
21:21:32andromedeayes
21:21:54gevaertsHow are you rebooting? Is the USB cable still connected?
21:22:25andromedeaNo, it won't turn on while connected. Unplug it, turn it off, turn it back on.
21:22:37gevaertsok
21:23:09*gevaerts doesn't really have an idea
21:24:34funmanit should turn off automatically after unplug. Can you perform an upgrade of the Original Firmware using Sandisk files/tools ?
21:24:57andromedeaI can. Should I?
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21:25:31funmanyes, to check if upgrades work normalyl
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21:31:22andromedeaSandisk upgrade works fine.
21:32:11WobbleTheHutthello
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21:32:45andromedeaShould I try formatting the device and installing rockbox from there?
21:33:19saratogayou could try doing the manual install
21:33:29saratogaalso using a different firmware version then is already installed would be interesting
21:33:43saratogathen you could see if the patched firmware took by checking if the original firmware version changed
21:33:58andromedeaof Sandisk firmware?
21:34:20saratogayes, the original/sandisk firmware
21:34:27saratogawhich version is on there now?
21:34:38andromedeaSandisk says installing the wrong firmware can brick the thing
21:35:28WobbleTheHuttwhat sansa are you updating by the way?
21:35:40andromedeaI can't check, it's "refreshing database" which take about 3 minutes every time I turn it on, which is why I want rockbox on it
21:35:44andromedeae260
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21:35:57WobbleTheHuttnice i love my e280 :)
21:36:53WobbleTheHutti also have a fuze 8gb v2 im waiting for full USB support before i start using it.
21:37:34andromedeayeah, this is my 3rd e-series. I had an e280 that died on me, then an e250 where the scroll wheel got messed up so it jumped an unpredicable number of clicks per turn (both refurbs from woot) and now I have the 260 ($42 on amazon)
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21:37:57andromedeado you know, if I completely format the thing, will the installers still recognize it?
21:38:54preglowpraised be the lord, i have no m68k-elf-gcc
21:38:58preglowi hate cygwin
21:39:05funmanthe rockbox utility detects the presence of a .rockbox/ folder
21:42:44WobbleTheHuttOOOH you can fix the scroll wheel
21:43:00WobbleTheHuttmy e280 was like that when i got it
21:44:40andromedeaHow?
21:44:56andromedeaWas yours a refurb too?
21:45:03WobbleTheHutti got mine on ebay
21:45:07andromedeaah
21:45:09WobbleTheHuttyou dismantle the scroll wheel and clean the contacts
21:45:17WobbleTheHuttim looking for a guide
21:45:22WobbleTheHutti just winged it when i did it
21:45:37WobbleTheHuttbut the issue is the contacts arnt making good connection
21:45:41WobbleTheHuttalso how did you e280 die?
21:45:48andromedeait just bricked on me.
21:46:36saratogausually that means the flash memory chip came out and needs to be put back into its socket
21:46:58saratogabattery bench started
21:47:06WobbleTheHuttwho wants PICTURES on how to fix the scroll wheel?
21:47:27saratogaWobbleTheHutt: ask in rockbox-community
21:47:35saratoganot in the rockbox channel
21:47:53WobbleTheHutti was talking to andromedea, they mentioned that they had a scroll wheel messed up
21:48:01WobbleTheHuttso i found them a link
21:48:33andromedeathat would be great
21:48:51WobbleTheHutthttp://joustin.com/?page_id=10
21:49:46andromedeanot sure if it's worth it now that I have the new one, the old one was a 2gb and the new one is a 4gb
21:49:59WobbleTheHuttmight as well for a backup its pretty easy
21:50:33WobbleTheHuttalso i recomend ronsonol lighterfluid as a cleaner instead of rubbing alcohol
21:56:53andromedeaI'm trying the manual install and sansapatcher.exe doesn't recognize my sansa
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21:58:45gevaertssansapatcher isn't for the v2
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22:03:35saratogaandromedea: did you ever check which firmware you have installed?
22:04:19andromedeav03.01.16A
22:04:28saratogayeah then sansapatcher won't work
22:04:40saratogatry the manual install directions in the manual
22:05:13saratogaand try downloading and patching a firmware version other then that so you can see if it accepts the patched firmware or not when you try to install
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22:08:20andromedeadifferent rockbox firmware?
22:09:38saratogaandromedea: no sandisk firmware, the install procedure involves patching the sandisk firmware
22:10:18saratogai'm saying that you should try and patch a different version then you already have installed so that you can check the firmware version afterwards and see if it actually installed anything
22:10:29saratogadoes that make sense?
22:11:12andromedeanot really, sorry
22:11:53funmanyou should notice the 'upgrade in progress' screen anyway if it works
22:12:10saratogaandromedea: do you remember when you tried to install rockbox how it required you to download an OF firmware file?
22:12:19andromedeayes
22:13:29saratogawhen you do that again, try using a different firmware version, then afterwards see if the firmware version changes
22:13:38saratogathat way you can see if it actually patched
22:13:51saratogaerr actually installed
22:13:58saratogaverses erroring out for some reason
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22:50:07andromedeaOkay, I got rockbox loading by formatting the thing and then installing, but now when I plug it in it turns on and off over and over again.
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23:12:50saratogathe data abort screen, the first address is the address of the faulting instruction, what is the second address?
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23:19:40andromedeathere are no addresses
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23:21:36andromedeait loads up the database and then reboots
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23:34:09saratogaandromedea: that was a general question about the data abort screen
23:34:18saratogai want to know what the meaning of the second address on that screen is
23:34:40andromedeaI'm not sure what you mean by data abort screen
23:35:50saratogaandromedea: I'm asking other people (e.g. developers) what the screen means
23:35:55saratogadon't worry about it
23:36:08saratogaone of the other hundred people in the channel will hopefully know the answer
23:37:24bertrikfunman probably know, I think he made that screen for at least the ARMs in the AMS sansas
23:38:49andromedeaI booted into the sandisk firmware so I can at least do that; with rockbox rebooting, my computer wouldn't recognize it
23:41:09saratogaSVN logs don't show any commit about that handler (unless it was before 3.6)?
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23:42:08saratogadid someone just delete that thread i replied to on the forums
23:42:13saratogathey left my reply so its all confusing
23:42:54andromedeahow do I access SVN logs?
23:43:01andromedeait's 3.6
23:43:55saratogatheres a link on the front page by the svn section
23:46:18andromedeaI can't find it, but I found this dated Aug 9: "Unfortunately, Rockbox's svn logs can no longer be browsed online."
23:47:22Lloreansaratoga: I'm pretty sure he deleted his own posts.
23:47:31saratogai didn't realize users could do that
23:47:44LloreanYou can delete your own posts, though I *thought* you couldn't after someone has responded.
23:47:50saratogaandromedea: its at the bottom of the subversion section, check the links next to "All commits"
23:49:51gevaertshm
23:51:01AlexPLlorean: I think it was just mooted, but should be activated IMO
23:51:18gevaertsThe "new" AMSv1 bootloaders (released in July) boot to rockbox when USB is plugged in, while 3.6 on AMSv1 players reboots on plugin...
23:51:23AlexPSomeone needs to remember to ask scorche to do it when he is around
23:52:11saratogagevaerts: yes, that was the intention
23:52:32saratogashould i just delete that thread then now that hes bailed on it and llorean seemed to think it was a duplicate
23:52:35gevaertssaratoga: yes, but it means that a fresh 3.6 install behaves badly
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23:52:46LloreanAlexP: Maybe it's just not a feature.
23:53:12saratogagevaerts: doesn't it boot up into rockbox and then reboot to the OF?
23:53:18AlexPLlorean: No idea - I think soap was talking about in reference to HA where they have that feature
23:53:30AlexPLlorean: I can't look anyway
23:53:32Lloreansaratoga: He's technically correct that it's not a duplicate of the first post in either of those threads. But it's more or less a duplicate of the later discussed per-file Bookmarks I think.
23:53:35gevaertssaratoga: no. Only ipods behave that way
23:54:08bertriksaratoga, firmware/target/arm/system-arm.c which contains the UIE handler had its last major update with svn r25087 which also added the FSR line
23:54:35Lloreansaratoga: I'd delete it tomorrow if he hasn't responded by then. Or just leave it, and it'll fade into obscurity on its own.
23:54:55gevaertsandromedea: I suspect your issue is just that current bootloaders and 3.6 don't play nice together when booting with USB plugged in. This is unfortunate, and probably should have been avoided, but there's not much we can do about it right now
23:56:29saratogaso what happens on 3.6? does it just hang ?
23:56:39gevaertsit keeps rebooting
23:57:02saratogaoh because the bootloader doesn't know what to do
23:57:04saratogahaha
23:57:10saratogathats a pretty good oversight
23:57:41gevaertsI'm trying to remember how that transition was handled for the portalplayer sansas
23:57:58saratogai guess most people aren't running such old builds now on the AMS targets so it was never reported
23:58:04saratogastill strange that no one noticed until now

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