#rockbox 2010-10-07

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#rockbox log for 2010-10-07

00:00:14	gevaerts	ah, for the portalplayer sansas we enabled USB in the main build first, and then we had a release (or two even), and only after that the bootloaders were updated
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00:00:27	gevaerts	Which isn't ideal either
00:00:35	bertrik	saratoga, I don't know exactly to be honest
00:01:08	saratoga	on AMS i guess there was more hurry since the Sansa OF is insanely annoying
00:07:16	bertrik	saratoga, I think the first address is the address of the instruction that caused the data abort and the second one is the address that it tried to access
00:08:33	saratoga	ah ok, for some reason i wasn't thinking that data aborts should be load/stores
00:10:35	saratoga	battery bench is still running
00:11:02	saratoga	although it occurs to me that theres basically no way mp3 can make an amsv2 sansa ever boost, so in reality i'm just testing the stability of a build locked at the unboosted clock . . .
00:11:26	saratoga	i should probably mix in an APE file
00:11:59	bertrik	I guess a data abort can happen for an unaligned access, but I don't know what happens if you try to access "dead" space (with no peripheral or memory behind it)
00:12:28	saratoga	if you try to execute it you should get a prefetch abort IIRC
00:12:35	saratoga	if you try to load/store it you get a data abort
00:13:09	saratoga	FWIW the data abort i'm seeing now does in fact point to a random block of memory not mapped to anything
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00:34:07	krazykit	webguest32eh73, do you have a question?
00:35:39	webguest32eh73	my key got stuck, sorry.
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00:38:34	webguest32eh73	>sigh< ICH BIN verlassen.
00:38:58	webguest32eh73	just seeing what the irc channel was .
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00:46:44	krazykit	webguest32eh73, please read the IrcGuidelines wiki page linked in the topic
00:48:33	webguest32eh73	ja
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00:52:29	andromedea	gevaerts: thank you
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01:09:08	asderix	Anyone know if its possible to pop a nano 2g screen into a nano 1g?
01:09:24	JdGordon\|	everything is possible...
01:09:34	JdGordon\|	you shouldnt expect it to work, but sure
01:10:10	asderix	Guess I'll be buying a new screen then
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01:17:02	asderix	will a nano work without the screen in?
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01:19:11	krazykit	possibly. you'll want to add voice and talk clips, of course.
01:20:14	asderix	Yeah, I'm just gonna bust the parts from the screen out to use the mount for the screen to keep things steady
01:22:15	asderix	random related topics anyone know if a 1g nano supports host USB mode?
01:24:14	Torne	the hardware does in theory, but maybe only 1.1
01:24:25	Torne	we don't know how and t needs a special dock adapter
01:24:39	Torne	so in practise no
01:25:49	asderix	Well, I don't know what controls the ipods host mode, but I know if you put a usb connector at 0ohmz into a droid x while booting,it goes into host mode
01:26:31	Torne	no, it's nothing like that
01:26:47	Torne	those devices have usb otg, a special kind of controller that can switch
01:27:08	Torne	the chip in the ipods has a seperae host controller that we don't know how to use
01:27:17	asderix	ah...
01:27:28	asderix	its own port,perhaps?
01:27:29	Torne	and we don't know how to enable it to be hooked up to the right pins either even
01:27:36	asderix	oh
01:27:57	Torne	the photo upload adapter from apple uses it.
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01:28:20	asderix	Too bad my sister is too pro apple
01:28:54	asderix	If she wasn't, I'd be able to ask her to grab any devices or parts heading to the trash can forme
01:29:30	geeko55	I need some help here. I'm getting this error message: PANIC Dir entry 9 in sector 2 is not free! 81 52 0C 00
01:31:49	saratoga	no idea what that means, but you should say which player
01:32:14	geeko55	Sansa e200
01:32:15	gevaerts	geeko55: sounds like a corrupt file system
01:33:12	geeko55	How do I go and fix that?
01:33:26	gevaerts	What OS are you using?
01:33:41	asderix	Can you connect the device to a PC in either FW?
01:33:41	geeko55	Windows XP
01:34:09	geeko55	I can connect it, but it gives me that message as soon as it boots up unconnected
01:34:10	kisak	"too pro apple"? how can someone be "too pro apple"?
01:34:27	gevaerts	geeko55: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265
01:35:08	asderix	She's yelled loud enough that someone calling the cops wouldn't have been an overreaction over a negative comment I made about apple
01:35:36	gevaerts	That's not really on topic here...
01:35:59	geeko55	So I use that to check my Sansa?
01:36:00	kisak	sorry about the tangent
01:36:09	gevaerts	geeko55: yes
01:36:41	asderix	I just made the initial comment because it would be great to have access to a lotof "ruined" apple parts
01:37:27	geeko55	All right, I'll check back once that's done.
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01:41:01	geeko55	It's scanning
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02:17:49	geeko55	Whoever helped me, thank you so much!
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03:19:57	darkenvy	Whos good at tagnavi?
03:20:40	darkenvy	my usually successful method of trial and error is taking too long so I thought I would ask someone who knows ;)
03:26:43	darkenvy	I having difficutly making a custom selection for "comments"
03:27:38	JdGordon\|	tagnavi is mostly considered black magic around here :)
03:27:44	darkenvy	(rewriting all the comments into 3 categories - Techno -> Non-Techno -> Rap - I want to be able to choose between the three)
03:27:48	JdGordon\|	does the db even store the id3 comment?
03:28:07	darkenvy	according to "Supported Tags "
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03:29:33	darkenvy	link for your convenience: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax
03:31:40	asderix	Anyone know of any cheap MP3 players that work with rockbox thatCan take an SDcard?
03:32:23	JdGordon\|	any of the recent sansas pretty much (except view)
03:32:27	darkenvy	so JdGordon, it doesn't look good huh? I wanted to use the comment section as its the graffitti of ID3 tage :\
03:32:32	JdGordon\|	fuze, e200, clip+
03:32:51	JdGordon\|	darkenvy: I havnt got a clue how tagnavi works :)
03:33:00	darkenvy	ah perfect XD
03:33:02	asderix	Hopefully I can get a V1 Fuze this time
03:33:17	darkenvy	It takes so long to trial an error with starting, initializing, rebuilding db :\
03:33:32	asderix	The V2's USB compatibility was disappoingting comparedto this ipod
03:34:25	darkenvy	woah those fuses are rockboxable?! :D
03:34:38	alexbobP	I run rockbox on my v2 fuze
03:34:44	alexbobP	what's the usb compatibility issue?
03:34:58	JdGordon\|	darkenvy: you dont need to reinitialise the database for tagnavi changes to take effect
03:35:00	asderix	Mine got broken by a freak accident
03:35:16	darkenvy	but for the db to rebuild?
03:35:22	asderix	and last I checked,its USB functionalitywas way up
03:35:45	darkenvy	okay ill come back later when I figure more stuff out
03:35:47	JdGordon\|	darkenvy: ? tagnavi is the interface for the db, you dont need to rebuild it for changes to work
03:35:48	darkenvy	peace
03:36:02	alexbobP	asderix: well it still doesn't have usb host :P
03:36:03	darkenvy	that does make my life easier then
03:36:21	alexbobP	not even usb guest, really... it goes to OF when I connect it to the computer
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03:36:59	asderix	I love the USB HID mode on this iPOd
03:37:02	asderix	Ipod*
03:37:12	alexbobP	what's different about it?
03:37:26	asderix	I'm using a keyboard,mouse, that and touch pad atthe same time
03:37:43	alexbobP	wait, keyboard and mouse on the ipod?
03:37:47	alexbobP	zomg
03:37:52	asderix	mouse on the ipod
03:37:52	alexbobP	doesn't that require usb host?
03:38:06	asderix	I mean I'm using 3 mouses and a keyboard simultaneously
03:38:07	alexbobP	is the mouse connected to the ipod's usb port?
03:38:32	JdGordon\|	he's saying he uses the ipods wheel as a mouse
03:38:38	alexbobP	oh
03:38:42	asderix	I mostly use the browser,actualy
03:38:48	asderix	browser mode*
03:39:01	asderix	I end up with a lot of tabs open finding materialto read
03:39:19	asderix	I like pretty weirdthough
03:39:43	asderix	Not a lot ofpeople use their footon a touch pad
03:40:30	alexbobP	and I can't imagine why not, it's probably sooo useful...
03:40:45	asderix	well,I can't do it now
03:41:06	asderix	I had to perform some surgery on myself today
03:41:46	asderix	I have no clue how an inch and a half of copper wire got stuck straight through my foot, without unraveling the ends ofthe wire
03:42:12	alexbobP	well that sounds pretty unpleasant
03:42:32	asderix	I'll hold back the other details,but it was worsethan that
03:42:49	asderix	But yeah, I guess I"m hitting ebay for another fuze
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06:19:29	asderix	anyone know any devices that are supported by rockbox that supportother alternate FW?
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06:22:48	JdGordon\|	ipodlinux and sansalinux (if that is still around) is pretty much it i tihnk
06:23:21	asderix	Hm, I've never heard of sansa linux
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06:23:36	asderix	not bad to know about though
06:23:46	asderix	Thanks!
06:24:00	sinthetek	wtf, there's a sansaliux?!
06:24:08	sinthetek	sansalinux*
06:24:31	JdGordon\|	ipodlinux ported to the e200,.. dunno if that got anywhere, IIRc it booted the kernel and that was it
06:24:56	asderix	I won't be searching for it now, as I'm still working on mydroid X wire, but I'm definitelygonna chek it out
06:25:21	asderix	Though I have to say, rockbox is far superior for normaluse of the mp3 player
06:25:35	asderix	ipod linux can burn some battery
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06:34:16	tmzt_	JdGordon\|: it was?
06:34:54	tmzt_	I thought about trying a port to ams, but too busy for that
06:34:58	tmzt_	and limited usefulness
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08:36:18	funman	saratoga: in the data abort handler, the first address points to the faulting instruction; the second address is the address causing the fault
08:37:14	funman	e.g. if r0 = 0xFFFFFFFF (invalid address), pc = 0x30000000 => ldr r1, [r0] will abort with "0x30000000, 0xFFFFFFFF"
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08:39:03	funman	(what bertrik answered, i'm just seeing it now)
08:39:49	funman	saratoga: do you see the data abort with cpufreq enabled on amsv2 ?
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09:42:23	JdGordon	and by proper I just really mean something which displays some soft buttons on the screen
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10:46:46	wodz	amiconn: I narrowed down my problems with display buffer corruption in imageviewer plugin on my mini1G. grey_init() is called with GREY_ON_COP flag. If I remove this flag I have no screen corruption. Are there any special precautions I have to take into account when using greylib on COP?
10:48:18	n1s	wods i think you need special care with regard to caches
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10:49:05	amiconn	You shouldn't need to do anything special. The greylib takes care of cache alignment etc itself
10:49:46	n1s	don't you need to flush main CPU cache before accessing data from COP?
10:50:55	amiconn	Guess what "etc" in my statement means?
10:51:05	n1s	ah
10:51:39	wodz	amiconn: If I place small sleep() before calling grey_show(true) it makes situation better (smaller corruption when greylib on COP)
10:52:14	amiconn	The actual greybuffers (phase/ value) are uncached when the greylib is running on cop, and the drawing buffer (when using buffered mode) is always accesed by the CPU only
10:52:36	wodz	without delay either display is totaly screwed up or device simply hangs
10:52:53	wodz	I don't use buffered mode
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11:02:23	amiconn	This is weird... it should just work
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11:03:02	wodz	hmm now it hanged with greylib on CPU
11:03:20	wodz	jtag would be extremely handy :/
11:04:10	wodz	should grey_show(true) be called at the very end?
11:04:28	amiconn	End of what?
11:05:19	wodz	http://www.pastie.org/1204874
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11:06:07	wodz	draw_image_rect() is call to mylcd_ub_gray_bitmap_part()
11:07:04	wodz	the text "showing ...." is displayed and than it hangs
11:07:22	wodz	but not always
11:13:52	wodz	hmm there is unpopulated 8pin zif connector near the cpu
11:23:02	amiconn	You can switch the overlay on & off as often as you like
11:23:25	amiconn	Just don't call grey_show() before grey_init() or after grey_release()
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12:04:53	sundar	Hi... I couldn't find Cowon J3 even in Pre-development ports list, is there something I'm missing or has there been no interest in developing for it?
12:05:29	Torne	if there's no references to it anywhere then probably nobody is working on it, no
12:07:39	sundar	Torne: Ok, thanks. What does it take to start work on such new devices?
12:08:05	Torne	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
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12:10:09	n1s	sundar: basically a lot of know how, a lot of time and a lot of motivation and some luck
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12:12:40	sundar	Crap, I'm not going back to electronics now... :) Guess I'll take a look at some device that has had its electronics analyzed already...
12:19:36	n1s	it's usually very little electronics involved in a port but a lot of RE of the frimware if there are no docs
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12:30:29	sundar	n1s: what does reverse engg involve? the newport page doesn't have info on that..
12:31:41	Torne	not wanting to be dismissive or anything, but if you don't know what it involves already then you aren't likely to be able to do it :)
12:31:51	n1s	sundar: it's very port specific but usually involves finding out how to communicate with the different components in the player like dac and power management chips, etc
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12:32:25	JdGordon	kugel: does make apk work reliably with changing the java?
12:32:30	JdGordon	especially hen adding new classes?
12:32:35	n1s	but first you need a way to execute code on the player for a port to even be possible, that might involve RE too
12:32:58	kugel	JdGordon: yes, but the file needs to be seen by the makefile
12:33:19	kugel	i.e. not in a subfolder
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12:33:40	JdGordon	im building in the android folder...
12:36:32	kugel	I mean not in a subfolder in src/org/rockbox
12:36:52	kugel	the makefile just does javac src/org/rockbox/*.java basically
12:36:55	JdGordon	was deleting the bin/ folder a bad idea?
12:37:01	kugel	no
12:37:13	kugel	you can try make clean, maybe that helps
12:37:15	JdGordon	make apk builds the java files but errors out
12:37:52	JdGordon	ah, that worked
12:38:33	*	JdGordon wishes there was a nice(r) way to debug this
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12:46:02	funman	pSiKO: i received the �SD card
12:46:25	funman	it works flawlessly in my clip+ (i copied a folder from internal storage and played it back)
12:46:52	funman	from the outside it's also 100% identical to the card i have, but from the inside it is a bit bigger (just like i had seen from the disk info)
12:57:07	sundar	n1s: Ok. Is there a resource that can be starting point to learn how to do these things?
12:58:22	sundar	Torne: True, it would definitely not be easy. :) But I've completed a supposed electronics engg course (though I skipped it mostly and studied programming), so not entirely impossible hopefully.
12:58:23	n1s	sundar: not really, learning the asm code for the cpu in the player is the first step to RE anything at all though and finding a firmware to work on
12:59:33	sundar	n1s: Ok, thanks.. I'll look around and see what I can do.
12:59:52	Torne	yes, the majority of the reverse engineering that is needed is reverse engineering the original software
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13:14:50	pSiKO	funman: good news, fast shipping !!
13:15:23	pSiKO	I hope you can find why RB doesnt want use it
13:15:44	funman	pSiKO: the card works fine for me
13:15:52	pSiKO	no !
13:16:03	pSiKO	on sansa fuze ?
13:16:10	funman	clip+
13:16:20	pSiKO	humm,
13:16:24	funman	i don't have the fuzev2 here but i will try to get it to test
13:16:51	pSiKO	it was super
13:17:20	pSiKO	because I think it's related to SD card acces by the fuze hardware
13:17:35	pSiKO	the problem may be not reproductible on all hardware
13:17:35	funman	hmm pSiKO which variant of the fuzev2 do you have ?
13:17:51	pSiKO	what do you mean ?
13:17:51	funman	system->debug->view hw info
13:18:12	pSiKO	ok , I dont have my player with me , I give you this info tomorow
13:18:21	funman	my clip+ and fuzev2 are variant 0 but there are models with variant 1, and the SD driver is a little bit different
13:18:49	pSiKO	I knows it's a v2, but that all
13:19:03	pSiKO	there is different fuzev2 hardware ?
13:19:23	funman	yes
13:19:28	funman	fuzev2v2
13:19:50	pSiKO	hahaha !! I check my hw version and I tell you
13:21:04	pSiKO	I knows the sd card is working on my player but with the OF only
13:21:46	funman	do you remember which version of the OF you had installed?
13:28:19	pSiKO	just a sec
13:28:46	pSiKO	OF 02.03.33
13:28:56	pSiKO	that I patch with RB loader
13:29:23	pSiKO	and I put RB r28208 which allow me to "see" the sd card
13:29:40	pSiKO	with next version of RB the player hang as I insert the card
13:30:47	pSiKO	lauch time i'm back in 1 hour
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14:15:55	Stummi	who is working on the USB-Support for Sansa AMS actually?
14:16:13	funman	nobody. you perhaps?
14:16:16	Stummi	(Sansa Clip/Fuze-models)
14:16:33	Stummi	funman, i don't belive that my skills are good enought for that :/
14:16:33	funman	Clipv1/Fuzev1 work flawlessly afaik
14:17:46	Stummi	hm
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14:18:44	Stummi	funman, so, USB-Support for Sansa Fuze v2 ist not sight for next time?
14:19:07	funman	i wish my skills were good enough for this
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14:27:29	CIA-81	New commit by teru (r28216): use CONTEXT_LIST in simplelist_show_list() so that button combinations for page down/page up work.
14:29:36	CIA-81	r28216 build result: All green
14:29:49	funman	Stummi: you can check SansaAMS page on the wiki to see if the status changes
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14:43:56	Stummi	funman, last time when i looked there, it said something about "80% progress" for implementing the USB-Stack.. Now it just says, that the usb-stack has some problems and is disabled
14:44:49	funman	yes nothing change, i just reworded the sentence
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14:51:19	Stummi	Hm, where should i look if i want to see or work on the usb-implementation für the fuzev2?
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14:55:05	funman	Stummi: uncomment USE_ROCKBOX_USB in firmware/export/config/sansafuzev2.h and hack firmware/target/arm/as3525/usb-drv-as3525v2.c
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15:19:23	CIA-81	New commit by teru (r28217): alarm clock: don't have user pause the playback manually. make the plugin pause it.
15:21:17	CIA-81	r28217 build result: All green
15:24:01	spike___	i'm also intrested in fuzev2 usb support
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16:07:03	darkenvy	Who knows tagnavi.conf well?
16:09:58	darkenvy	that 'black magic' tool :P
16:11:02	darkenvy	Im trying to section my music in 3 sections. Techno, non-techno and rap. All by using the comment section of the ID3 tags
16:11:14	darkenvy	this is what I got. %menu_start "custom" "Type" "Techno" -> title = "fmt_title" ? comment = "Techno"
16:11:43	darkenvy	the only problem with that is that now it just shows the title of the song and not the Artist then Album then title
16:14:32	evilnick_B	I think that the format of how the songs are displayed is defined earlier on in tagnavi.conf
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16:19:42	evilnick_B	darkenvy: I guess that you've looked through: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#tagnavi_config_v2_0_Syntax ?
16:22:02	darkenvy	yea
16:22:11	darkenvy	Its a little rough of a guide
16:26:18	darkenvy	must I add fmt_artist under "# Basic format declarations"?
16:28:46	evilnick_B	darkenvy: The majority of the devs use the filesystem rather than the database
16:28:59	evilnick_B	I don't knwo enough to give any advice, sorry :(
16:31:59	darkenvy	damn
16:32:29	darkenvy	someone has to know ><
16:33:18	darkenvy	I'll eventually figure it out I guess
16:34:37	Torne	darkenvy: do you mean you want it to have submenus for artist/album/title?
16:34:53	Torne	darkenvy: or just have one list where it shows all three things in each entry?
16:35:34	darkenvy	the first one. submenus with artist/album/title
16:36:59	Torne	you need to include all the levels you want to have, then..
16:37:14	Torne	your filter menu there only has title
16:37:52	Torne	try:
16:38:11	darkenvy	well I tried "%menu_start "custom" "Type" "Techno" -> artist = "fmt_artist" ? comment = "Techno"" but apparently artist = fmt_artist isnt already declared?
16:38:32	darkenvy	oh, finish what you were saying XD
16:39:03	Torne	"Techno" -> artist ? comment = "Techno" -> album ? comment = "Techno" -> title = "fmt_title" ? comment = "Techno"
16:39:16	Torne	You only have a format for the last thing
16:39:31	Torne	I think that will work
16:40:02	Torne	list artists who have a track with comment techno, then albums by that artist which have a track with comment techno, then titles of tracks formatted with fmt_title with comment techno
16:40:09	darkenvy	wow that surprisingly makes sense
16:40:26	Torne	if you want multiple levels of menu you have to specify that with more than one -> clause
16:40:32	darkenvy	brb i'll try it out
16:40:46	Torne	the format string is just for how an invididual list entry is formatted
16:40:54	Torne	it has no effect on the actual hierarchy
16:41:13	Torne	I think you do need the condition on every level or else it'll display every artist/album in your library but most of them will be empty :)
16:41:48	darkenvy	what is the "fmt_"? Is this the actual ID3 variable?
16:42:12	Torne	no, it's just the name of a format string declared in tagnavi.config
16:42:33	Torne	%format "fmt_title" "%d.%02d. %s - %02d:%02d" discnum tracknum title Lm Ls ? discnum > "0"
16:42:50	Torne	(or several fallbacks for tracks which don't have a disc number or track number)
16:43:13	Torne	your custom tagnavi config extends the default one, so you can still refer to the format strings defined in the default one
16:43:46	darkenvy	hey guess what? It works like a charm ^^
16:43:50	Torne	it does? cool
16:43:53	Torne	the docs imply it should
16:44:08	Torne	so yeah it's a bit verbose because you have to repeat the condition
16:44:14	Torne	but that's just how it works.
16:44:49	Torne	i don't think any of our default menus have to do that, because they just don't happen to need it :)
16:45:26	darkenvy	I can figure this out myself but is it possible to make a search condition above "Artist"? So that when you access the db its the first menu icon? or must it always reside in "custom view"?
16:46:25	Torne	yes
16:46:32	Torne	Define your own version of what you want the main menu to look like
16:46:43	Torne	call it something else, like my_main
16:47:02	Torne	then put %root_menu "my_main" in your tagnavi_custom.config
16:47:12	Torne	if you specify a root menu it overrides the default one
16:47:54	Torne	you can just copy and paste the definitionof hte normal main menu from the default config, rename it and edit it
16:49:46	darkenvy	the default menu for tagnavi_cusom.config resides within that "custom view" then basicly?
16:50:04	Torne	yes, the default config just has a "Custom view" entry which leads to a menu called custom
16:50:05	darkenvy	sounds simple enough
16:50:14	Torne	so if you define your menu as being "custom" then it appears under there
16:50:23	Torne	but if you call it something else it won't, and you can make it appear anywhere you like
16:50:33	Torne	including as the root menu
16:51:31	darkenvy	oh it makes sense! %root_menu "main" isn't executed untill after %include "/.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config" which includes %root_menu "my_main" thus my menu comes first
16:51:50	Torne	yes
16:51:55	Torne	thta's why root_menu works that way ;)
16:52:58	Torne	it's good to see someone else who actually customises the tag menu
16:53:02	Torne	i have lots of odd stuff on mine :)
16:53:42	darkenvy	well I have loads of techno and regular music. but I hate how they are mixed together :P
16:53:47	evilnick_B	darkenvy: If this is making more sense, then it'd be useful if you could update the Wiki page to be more understandable
16:54:06	Torne	Yeah, if you can think of any way the wiki page could be improved that'd be good
16:54:17	Torne	nothing i've just said is not on there but it may not be there in the most understandable way
16:54:28	darkenvy	actually I have been fighting itunes and ID3 tags for years. especially those compilation CDs of "best techno of 2010" has 100s of different artists all with one song XD
16:54:41	Torne	ah, that's what albumartist is for ;)
16:54:49	Torne	i never use the actual artist tag
16:55:13	Torne	just referring to albumartist everywhere eliminates all the "just one song from a compilation" submenus
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16:55:52	darkenvy	well hey I never updated a wiki but I figure ill be messing around with tagnavi for a while
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16:56:16	Torne	well, if nothing else if you come up with something you think is interesting you could add it as an example
16:56:41	Torne	i understand the wiki page because i've actually looked at the code and know vaguely how it works under the hood ;)
16:56:47	Torne	it's probably not equally useful to users
16:57:52	darkenvy	Yea it just needs a bit of cleaning up really
16:58:21	darkenvy	i'll add a few example in due time ;)
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17:00:55	darkenvy	I'm just gonna declare it as "main" :P
17:02:35	saratoga	funman: no the battery bench finished normally, 16:47:26
17:02:40	saratoga	i don't have anything to compare that too though
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17:07:17	darkenvy	actually now this is confusing me :S
17:08:10	darkenvy	what do I need to add after %root_menu "my_main" in tagnavi_custom.config to create a selection above "Artist"?
17:09:45	darkenvy	if I use " %menu_start "main" "Type" " then my menu looks like: "Techno" "Non-Techno" "artist" "album"
17:10:51	darkenvy	I need to create one more layer too keep "techno, non-techno and rap" within the "%menu_start "main" " so it lookes like: "Type" "Artist" "Album"
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17:20:33	darkenvy	got it!
17:20:42	darkenvy	Hey Thanks Rockboxians!
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17:21:27	darkenvy	now I can fully enjoy my 240gb ipod :)
17:26:07	evilnick_B	darkenvy: Nice player :)
17:26:47	darkenvy	I love it. the only thing I dont like is that ipod 5th gens have rare parts
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17:29:15	evilnick_B	Not compared to most other Rockbox targets! (Although this is veering into #rockbox-community talk now)
17:30:01	darkenvy	what are you saying? (I can take that 3 different ways heh)
17:31:00	darkenvy	I assume you were saying that most rockbox targets are common players
17:31:19	n1s	no, most are rare because they are very old
17:32:05	darkenvy	ah. yes I see
17:32:39	darkenvy	I just replaced a mobo on my ipod last summer. :\. luckily I found ONE on ebay for cheap
17:33:27	evilnick_B	The iPods have by far the largest amount of replacement parts, I would have thought, check out sites like rapidrepair.com
17:35:03	darkenvy	yea expensive
17:35:33	darkenvy	do you suppose those parts are 3rd party made? and yes we derived of topic but I gotta go now anyways :\
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17:41:17	darkenvy	peace
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17:56:57	DSStrife89	Wow, I definitely want one.
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17:57:34	DSStrife89	Blazer fails at rendering the page though, so I can't read the price. :/
17:57:48	evilnick_B	DSStrife89: Switch back to #rockbox-community
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18:27:37	AlexP	funman: Have you seen http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25809.0 ?
18:28:14	funman	no but there was a similar report
18:28:22	funman	perhaps on flyspray
18:28:31	AlexP	Looks like the've narrowed down the commit on that thread
18:28:40	AlexP	brb
18:28:48	funman	i already knew about this commit
18:29:04	funman	FS #11608
18:30:13	funman	no idea what the problem is though
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19:15:01	isthisnametakeny	Hello, I don't have much time to chat right now but I tried to join the wiki and need my account activated eventually.
19:16:11	gevaerts	isthisnametakeny: what's your wiki name?
19:16:22	isthisnametakeny	JohnRomero
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20:18:06	funman	the first one seems to work
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20:31:54	funman	http://pastie.org/1205923 <- do i miss something in my config? directories / filenames continue to be spelled despite the presence of talk files (generated with rbutil)
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20:41:58	sudoman	funman: i'm not really sure about this, but you could check the voice settings menu. i think there's an option to speak file names instead of spell them.
20:43:28	soap	AlexP, Llorean what feature of HA were you all talking about in reference to soap?
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20:43:58	Llorean	soap: Users can't delete their own posts after they have been replied to
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21:25:58	CIA-81	New commit by learman (r28218): Update Swedish translation.
21:27:43	CIA-81	r28218 build result: All green
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21:57:55	cozo	hi everyone
21:58:05	cozo	i need a little help with tagnavi
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21:59:10	cozo	i want <all tracks> to be sorted by album
21:59:41	cozo	album / track number really
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22:00:22	cozo	can anyone instruct me on how to do it?
22:00:55	AlexP	You'll be lucky :)
22:01:10	Llorean	I don't believe that's possible at this time?
22:01:19	AlexP	The vast majority of devs don't use the database, and I don't think many if any of those that do customise it :)
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22:03:55	cozo	is there any way to generate a playlist of all the tracks (internal memory + SD card) sorted by artist / album / track ?
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22:05:13	kugel	cozo: the database
22:05:36	evilnick_B	cozo: Just a playlist? Depending on the directory structure you're using then you could do that on the player
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22:08:09	cozo	err. how do i do it?
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22:09:02	cozo	my folder structure is artist / album / ## - trackname
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22:11:21	cozo	kugel ? evilnick_B ?
22:13:19	evilnick_B	cozo: long-select on the music folder then add to a new playlist
22:15:04	cozo	but i want to combine my 2 music folders (internal memory + SD card)
22:15:09	cozo	will that work?
22:16:51	evilnick_B	No
22:18:52	cozo	lol
22:19:10	evilnick_B	There is a way to make a root.m3u playlist, but I'm not sure if that would inclue the sd card and if it did then it wouldn't be sorted exactly how you want it to be
22:19:45	evilnick_B	i.e. if you have the same artist folder in both locations then they wouldn't be sorted next to each other
22:19:45	pixelma	I think you can do that with the database if you don't mind the entries in the list include the album name
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22:20:16	pixelma	but I'm not a big tagnavi expert either, I admit
22:20:56	evilnick_B	It'd be possible to do when connected to a desktop, but that would have to be done each time you changed the music on the player
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22:23:22	cozo	yeah
22:24:05	cozo	mm i guess i'll just have to prepend <microsd1> to the playlist and merge/sort them in the pc
22:24:35	cozo	i dont change the music that often so i guess it's ok
22:25:03	cozo	rockbox needs a "sort playlist by..." anyways
22:25:14	cozo	that would solve many things
22:27:34	*	evilnick_B wonders if RB would find the files on the sd card even without prepending
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22:29:10	cozo	dont think so, because if i look in track properties the path inlcudes the <microsd1>
22:30:53	evilnick_B	cozo: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginSort
22:32:47	cozo	wouldnt that sort the files alphabetically instead of artist/album/tracks ?
22:33:47	evilnick_B	I guess that it'd sort the location of the files alphabetically
22:33:57	evilnick_B	Sorry, the path to the files
22:34:06	evilnick_B	This might be interesting reading too: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25626.0
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22:45:24	cozo	mm lets see if it works
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22:54:29	hondza	Hello. is it possible to change the volume without getting the display lit (without changing the sources, that is)? sansa clip +
22:56:43	Llorean	Only if you turn off the backlight entirely, which makes it somewhat hard to use
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23:00:39	cozo	evilnick_B: nope rockbox needs the full path
23:01:03	evilnick_B	For the sd card?
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23:02:05	cozo	yep
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23:03:08	cozo	anyways i found a cool little app for M3U stuff
23:03:20	cozo	M3U Dropper
23:03:41	cozo	makes the work easy
23:05:01	evilnick_B	Do you use Windows?
23:05:10	cozo	yeah
23:05:14	cozo	also mac
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23:05:29	cozo	linux in a VM sometimes
23:05:44	evilnick_B	OK, the way that I would do this would be as follows:
23:06:13	evilnick_B	Using Windows and foobar2000, insert your player so that both the internal memory and the sd card are mounted as separate drives
23:06:35	evilnick_B	Then drag and drop the music directories (from both drives) into foobar
23:06:43	evilnick_B	Sort that playlist however you want
23:06:52	evilnick_B	Save it as a .m3u file
23:07:26	evilnick_B	Then open the .m3u with Notepad or equivalent and find and replace the drive letter with <microSD> (or whatever the exact term is)
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23:08:29	evilnick_B	Save it to the player and then play it in Rockbox
23:08:38	cozo	i use mediamonkey, so it creates a m3u file when i sync the devices
23:09:11	evilnick_B	What should then happen is that it'd find the music on the sd card as you've specified that, and the music on the main memory will be found with Rockbox's path-stripping
23:10:26	cozo	the i use M3U dropper to open one playlist, prepend the <microSD1>, copi the list add it to the other M3U, and Sort by full path
23:10:31	cozo	works like a charm
23:11:49	evilnick_B	Cool
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23:57:18	KillzoneAgency	Hello
23:58:01	KillzoneAgency	I have a question, does Rockbox work on a Ipod Nano 8GB?
23:58:34	KillzoneAgency	I believe it's fourth generation

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