#rockbox 2010-10-08

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00:00:14	KillzoneAgency	I know I'm just not sure if the Ipod is fourth generation, I thought those other details may be able to help
00:00:33	Llorean	Apple has a page for identifying iPods.
00:00:47	KillzoneAgency	Do you have a link by any chance?
00:00:58	Llorean	Googling it should bring it up pretty easily.
00:01:42	KillzoneAgency	Ok, thanks very much :)
00:02:04	pixelma	it's linked from some Rockbox wiki page, IdentifyPlayer I believe
00:03:15	KillzoneAgency	Ah, I've found it... I've got a fourth generation :(
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00:36:32	soap	Torne, re:FS #5230. How many people (I agree the iPod Video is prevalent) actually ever use the hold switch?
00:38:18	Torne	i would guess practically everyone
00:38:34	saratoga	on the ipods you kind of have to since the touch screen goes nuts in your pocket
00:38:50	Torne	yeah
00:38:58	Torne	mine is on hold about 99.9% of the time
00:39:49	soap	huh. My hold switch is most likely inoperable due to grime accumulation. I have never used it.
00:40:55	Torne	isn't just about every mp3 player on hold 99% of the time?
00:41:29	soap	I guess my use-case of wearing them external (not in a pocket) and never using the hold switch is uncommon.
00:41:32	Torne	but specifically yes, my ipod video can be operated quite happily through the pocket of whatever garment it's in
00:41:44	Torne	so if i didn't have it on hold, brushing my hand over my coat would change the volume
00:42:04	Torne	and bumping someone would change tracks :)
00:42:36	Llorean	soap: I had my Nano on hold pretty much constantly
00:42:41	Llorean	Meanwhile I never use hold on my Gigabeat.
00:43:13	Llorean	The main reason I'd have it on hold was because it was easy to brush the touchwheel while putting it into or taking it out of my pocket. I was never concerned about track skipping or anything.
00:43:21	Torne	soap: so yeah, if i use it i'll be turning hold on and off fifty plus times a day
00:43:35	soap	nevermind, then! ;)
00:43:44	Torne	and since 5230 was closed it's never done the thing where it doesn't work after
00:44:19	*	Llorean finds the H100 the only player of his that he really, really considers hold essential though.
00:44:47	Llorean	Well, maybe the D2 but I've never put that in my pocket.
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03:02:09	[AndrewR]	hi all, my plugin is coming along well, just have a question about putsxy. I can't figure out a way to change the font size, any way to do that?
03:02:50	JdGordon\|	are you using a viewport?
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03:04:53	[AndrewR]	I'm not sure, I'm just using the lcd_* functions
03:04:56	[AndrewR]	stuff on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicsAPI
03:05:19	TruthTaco	I think I might have screwed up my fuze, its a v1. I was trying to update the roxbox firmware and somehow I screwed up the original firmware and now the regular firmware wont boot, it wont let me charge the player in rockbox mode... or stay connected long enough to change files
03:05:35	[AndrewR]	should I be using a viewport?
03:06:16	JdGordon\|	well, you dont really need to, but it will make things easier if oyu want to support the lcd rmeotes...
03:06:31	JdGordon\|	all you really need to do is call lcd_set_font() (i tihnk)\
03:07:26	JdGordon\|	TruthTaco: hold left while booting
03:08:34	[AndrewR]	setfont doesn't have an option for size, are there simply a bunch of fonts for each size? ex. monaco_8 monaco_10 etc?
03:08:45	JdGordon\|	yes
03:09:07	JdGordon\|	its all bitmap fonts with no scaling, so whatever height the font is comes from the file
03:09:10	[AndrewR]	do you know where I can find a list of fonts available?
03:09:14	[AndrewR]	ah
03:09:19	TruthTaco	oh dam there it goes, i could have sworn I was supposed to hold the up buttom
03:09:21	TruthTaco	err button
03:09:22	JdGordon\|	.rockbox/fonts on your dap
03:10:02	JdGordon\|	rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ which is more info than you need
03:10:55	TruthTaco	thanks a ton
03:11:10	JdGordon\|	what is your plugin for?
03:11:25	JdGordon\|	or, how does it use the screen?
03:11:58	[AndrewR]	ok, I see a list of .bdf fonts. how do I figure out which int to pass to setfont to get the font I want?
03:12:12	[AndrewR]	it's mostly a bunch of custom lists
03:12:13	JdGordon\|	you load the font by name
03:12:30	JdGordon\|	then font 1 is the font you loaded
03:12:36	[AndrewR]	it's an app for tracking workouts
03:12:48	[AndrewR]	http://github.com/andrewroth/rockbox_workout/wiki/brainstorming
03:13:12	JdGordon\|	or you go to a little bit more work and load the font into the skin buffer (which is on the todo list, but not done for plugins yet)
03:14:28	[AndrewR]	void (*lcd_setfont)(int font);
03:14:53	JdGordon\|	ah, if its all text based then you should use the standard list widget and multiscreen api so there is no effort making it work on every target (which means it might even be accepted!)
03:15:12	[AndrewR]	yeah, I considered that... but I want to do some fancy things in the lists
03:15:21	[AndrewR]	colors, sections
03:15:30	[AndrewR]	like the top 2/3 will be the list of exercises, workouts, etc.
03:15:40	JdGordon\|	colours can be done easily, sections can be done with multiple viewports/lists
03:15:59	JdGordon\|	a bit of effort at the start, but then never need to touchh it again
03:16:01	[AndrewR]	then the buttom 1/3 a current workout info ex "Rest 30s, then set to 150 lb"
03:17:08	[AndrewR]	ok, I see font_load
03:19:03	*	JdGordon\| doesnt know a good example plugin for the multiscreen api :/
03:19:31	[AndrewR]	any chance you can just show me the 1 or 2 lines it takes to load another font?
03:19:44	[AndrewR]	or point me to an example somewhere?
03:20:41	JdGordon\|	ideally you want to call skin_font_load() (in apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_fonts.c, not in the pluign API yet)
03:20:51	[AndrewR]	what does it take to get a plugin accepted?
03:21:41	JdGordon\|	someone to think its useful, and the less effort needed to keep it working on new targets the better
03:21:43	[AndrewR]	oh, that's your code? :)
03:23:42	JdGordon\|	yeah, I would recommend ignoring the fonts and get the rest of your plugin working. or if you really want to load a font then make a fontlib for the plugins to do the work correctly (not very hard)
03:24:49	JdGordon\|	the correct way is... 1) call skin_font_load(), if that works then just pass on the return value, if not then 2) do the same thing but use a buffer from get_plugin_buffer() (or a passed in block)
03:25:11	JdGordon\|	then just some magic to free the font number when the plugin closes and bob's your uncle
03:26:41	[AndrewR]	a fontlib?
03:26:54	[AndrewR]	calling skin_font_load at the startup seems like it should work
03:27:02	JdGordon\|	fancy word for a new file to make font loading in plugins easier
03:27:23	JdGordon\|	it wont always work, that uses the skin buffer which could be filled by the theme
03:28:23	JdGordon\|	if I wasnt at work I'd code up that for you in a few minutes :/
03:31:10	[AndrewR]	you mean contribute to skin_fonts by writing something for plugin font loading?
03:32:13	JdGordon\|	well, it would go in apps/plugins/pluginlib, but yeah
03:32:21	[AndrewR]	yeah my plugin probably won't get officially accepted, at least not the first version
03:32:35	[AndrewR]	I'm making it more as a proof of concept, and for me personally (a bit selfish but hey)
03:32:47	[AndrewR]	though I will keep it hosted on github, so anybody can take it
03:33:28	[AndrewR]	I plan to have a ruby on rails app as a front end, and sync workout data
03:34:20	JdGordon\|	well its up to you of course, but something like the font loading bit would defintly be accepted
03:35:09	[AndrewR]	I'm not sure I see what more is required though, skin_font_load looks like all a plugin needs
03:35:28	[AndrewR]	then call unload at the end
03:35:30	[AndrewR]	?
03:35:42	JdGordon\|	the problem is it uses a static buffer which the theme is loaded into (including images) so it might not have enough room to load a font
03:35:48	JdGordon\|	fonts take up ~10KB iirc
03:36:30	JdGordon\|	so what the pluginlib really needs is a wrapper for that to use some of the plugin buffer if it doesnt fit in the skin one
03:36:31	[AndrewR]	hmm, I'm not familiar with what the theme entails. Is that the rockbox theme for the general look and feel?
03:36:37	JdGordon\|	yes
03:38:22	[AndrewR]	ah, interesting.. font_table[MAXUSERFONTS] is where that static buffer is?
03:38:57	JdGordon\|	no, thats just a table to store the font ids, and stuff.. the actual buffer is elsewhere
03:39:04	[AndrewR]	would you envision the plugin font helper thing using skin_font_load? or refactoring skin_font_load a bit to use that?
03:39:35	JdGordon\|	the first
03:39:53	[AndrewR]	skin_buffer_alloc?
03:40:38	[AndrewR]	I thought skin_font_load would be allocating the system buffer, thus you'd need to refactor
03:41:06	[AndrewR]	pf->buffer_start = (char *)skin_buffer_alloc(SKIN_FONT_SIZE) −− that it?
03:41:11	JdGordon\|	no, it allocates from the skin buffer which is safe
03:41:19	JdGordon\|	that code shoudlnt need to be touched
03:41:37	JdGordon\|	back in 20.. lunch time
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03:42:08	[AndrewR]	I need to go to but I'll keep this in mind, I'll try to bbl maybe over the weekend
03:42:17	[AndrewR]	thanks for the help
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04:46:28	darkenvy	okay ive been here the last two days but I have one more issue
04:47:01	darkenvy	I installed the 240gb hdd and it worked great initially with the 10 songs I tested it with
04:47:21	darkenvy	now I put 20gb of techno on it and rockbox is incredibly slow/non-responcive
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04:48:42	JdGordon\|	enable dircache
04:48:49	darkenvy	where is the setting?
04:49:00	JdGordon\|	settings > system > disk
04:49:04	darkenvy	it also locks up in the player screen mainly
04:50:37	darkenvy	BEAUTIFUL!
04:51:45	darkenvy	thanks
04:51:46	darkenvy	JdGordon, you and Torne have been extreamly helful
04:53:22	JdGordon\|	sorry, we try not to make it a habbit
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04:54:16	darkenvy	lol?
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04:54:48	darkenvy	I trial and error myself but when I get frustrated I come here :\
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07:56:47	factor	On the USB port of a rockbox device and you build a female port so to plug in say a wireless or bluetooth device.
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08:04:59	JdGordon\|	not sure where the question is, but no
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08:25:43	funman	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588607 Bug 588607 - Implement custom dlopen to load libraries from apk
08:26:00	funman	something that we could use ?
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08:30:47	JdGord	Funman: you asked last night about 3.7 with the current skin bugs... like I've said a few times, the ones still open sent major issues (I.e they don't crash) and unless someone helps out waiting is silly
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08:31:27	factor	Would have been cool to get usb access as a port not just as a device.
08:34:27	funman	JdGord: makes sense, so do you want to start release process?
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08:35:13	bug2000	May I ask a question that is not directly related to Rockbox or is that considered offtopic?
08:35:23	funman	no
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08:36:12	bug2000	Thank you for the answer.
08:39:29	JdGord	Funman: I really don't :) although its mostly up to someone to say "we freeze in x days" to get the ball rolling
08:39:42	JdGord	Which I sort of suggested next week in the email
08:39:54	funman	i hoped you were this someone ;)
08:41:01	JdGord	We should make the rsb do it! Give them a reason to be. :)
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08:41:18	JdGord	The group... not the peoplee
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08:44:34	funman	rsb = release starter beings
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09:14:34	JdGordon	damn you funman!
09:17:26	JdGordon	it would be really really really awesome if magically a touch cabbie sbs happened for android before 3.7.. we could almost think about making it more generally available then!
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09:17:59	factor	<funman>Sorry need some sleep . online again tomorrow
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09:19:20	funman	JdGordon / factor : ?
09:20:08	JdGordon	see the ml :p
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09:23:44	namnuf	☑ Convince JdGordon to start the release
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09:32:22	AlexP	JdGordon, funman: I'm happy to do the release stuff, it is just while there are poeple against it I don't want to just go
09:32:54	AlexP	oh, I see you already did :)
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10:30:39	funman	kugel: did you see my message about mozilla apk/library loading this morning?
10:31:24	kugel	not yet
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10:34:56	kugel	funman: ah, [sko] showed me that one yesterday
10:37:49	kugel	funman: we don't have just libraries, also themes and langs and stuff in the zip
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11:04:38	pSiKO	hi funman, I have the hw version of my fuze : AMSv2 variant 0
11:04:48	funman	pSiKO: cool, like me then
11:05:14	pSiKO	:) super
11:06:14	pSiKO	another question: is it possible to read cbz/cbr under RB ??
11:08:58	Llorean	It just does what the manual says it does, nothing more.
11:12:11	pSiKO	ok
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11:50:05	pixelma	fwiw, my theme still crashes my Ondio, it seems to be a but different from last time where I could trace it back to the nested conditionals and had a simple test.wps showing the problem. This time I even get an address and it's a scrolling function (will look it up shortly), simpler WPSs don't exhibit the problem and I don't know where to start looking :\
11:53:10	funman	does gdb run on ondio?
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11:53:28	pixelma	no
11:53:37	pixelma	AFAIK
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11:57:57	pixelma	if I comment out the progressbar I get a different crash/hang :\/
11:58:17	TheSeven	what's the opinion on declaring nano2g stable for the upcoming release?
11:58:51	funman	TheSeven: i guess the most valuable opinion is yours ;)
11:58:59	TheSeven	i don't think so
11:59:23	TheSeven	i haven't done much with it recently, haven't tried current builds for weeks, and haven't tried the rockbox bootloader for months
11:59:32	funman	aren't you the most knowledgeable
11:59:42	funman	.. about nano2g installation procedure?
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12:00:33	TheSeven	the installation procedure is fine (when using the rockbox bootloader), but it used to cause FTL problems on every unclean reboot, sometimes ending up with a wiped flash
12:01:01	TheSeven	bus some people claim this problem has magically gone away and they haven't seen a white screen of death for months
12:01:32	TheSeven	so if anyone has seen a white screen of death recently, i'd like that person to speak up
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12:09:50	funman	AlexP: we could revert r28000 in the branch
12:10:12	AlexP	funman: yes, that'd be an option
12:10:46	AlexP	funman: btw, I'm not arguing with any of your points - it just seems a bad idea to put out a release where we know that for some people playback is broken :)
12:12:37	funman	i disagree with this, we don't have to achieve perfection for a release
12:12:54	funman	and given that nobody is working on this particular point, i think we can ignore it
12:14:01	funman	or use quick workaround for release if possible of course
12:14:15	AlexP	playback is a fairly major componant of Rockbox
12:14:22	AlexP	If ti were a plugin or something I'd agree
12:14:25	pixelma	perfection no, but basic things should work
12:15:25	funman	just search flyspray for "playback" and you'll find other bugs which didn't prevent past releases
12:15:39	AlexP	playback not working at all is pretty big
12:15:44	funman	works fine here
12:15:51	AlexP	It isn't just a little bug with it, it doesn't play music
12:15:57	AlexP	yes, but not for everyone
12:16:03	funman	mp3 works
12:16:11	AlexP	not for one guy in the forums
12:16:12	TheSeven	do we have any numbers on how many devices are affected?
12:16:51	AlexP	TheSeven: No idea - not many I'd guess
12:17:01	funman	fs#11608 lists 3 people
12:17:09	pixelma	the crash on my Ondio happens in _lcd_scroll_stop_line (firmware/libfirmware.a(scroll_engine.o))
12:17:12	funman	and only vorbis
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12:17:51	funman	my 2 fuzev1 work fine, for n1s too, and i guess kugel too
12:17:58	AlexP	funman: yes, there were more in ther forum thread you locked including for flac and mp3
12:18:09	funman	AlexP: what is the link again?
12:18:48	AlexP	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25809.0
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12:20:42	kugel	funman: I haven't used daps in ages :) I don't know if my fuze shows the problem
12:22:30	kugel	and I agree with AlexP, we should knowingly keep regressions if we know a fix/workaround
12:22:33	kugel	should not
12:23:06	funman	kugel: please test then
12:23:26	kugel	but it doesn't really matter if I have the problem or not
12:23:38	funman	yes it does, if you do you can send me your fuze :)
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14:21:41	teru	JdGordon: are you here?
14:33:57	pixelma	he's never around during his Saturdays, so probably not in the next 24 hours
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14:36:14	teru	hmm. thank you for the info.
14:41:06	hondza	Hello. Is there a gloabally accessible way to determine which screen the player is on? I would like to disable backlight_on() call in firmware/drivers/button.c for simple operations (volume up/down, skip track, pause) and I'd prefer that it would work this way in WPS only...
14:41:13	pixelma	teru: maybe a bit less, don't know but usually he reads logs so you could leave him a message/question
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14:52:37	Thanatos	My rockbox based player is overheating
14:52:58	S_a_i_n_t	Thanatos: What player?
14:53:09	S_a_i_n_t	Make/model
14:53:27	Thanatos	sansa clip
14:53:28	Thanatos	v2
14:53:42	Thanatos	I am not sure what the damage is
14:54:12	Thanatos	but just wanted to warn everyone not to put their clip into the outlet and set it to sleep
14:54:28	Thanatos	I did not expect such a violent reaction
14:54:50	S_a_i_n_t	It should, in theory, be fine to do so.
14:54:58	S_a_i_n_t	I can;t imagine why it would not be.
14:55:01	funman	i remember seeing a report on the forum, what is your backlight setting?
14:55:08	Thanatos	I'll assess the damage once I return from school
14:55:16	Thanatos	it was at low
14:55:23	Thanatos	I turned it on, the battery was at zero
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14:55:31	Thanatos	it just turned off suddenly
14:55:40	Thanatos	then I decided to check plug it in
14:55:44	Thanatos	nothing happened
14:55:50	Thanatos	then I noticed it was very very very very hot
14:55:59	Thanatos	so I pulled it apart, and let the battery sit out
14:56:09	Thanatos	and then I decided to pull it from the leads
14:56:11	S_a_i_n_t	Sounds like your battery is screwed.
14:56:15	pixelma	could you try writing more of your thoughts on one line please, makes it easier to read
14:56:42	Thanatos	sorry I only have only had one college english class :p
14:57:22	Thanatos	I think my battery is screwed too, oh well live and learn. Are there any logs that I might be able to send to you guys?
14:58:01	S_a_i_n_t	Nothing we could use to determine anything...no.
14:58:01	Thanatos	If I had to rockbox it all over again, I would do it in a heartbeat, I would rather have a great experience with a horrible ending such as this one, rather than a long lasting mediocre one.
14:58:28	S_a_i_n_t	A new battery won't cost you very much at all.
14:58:43	Thanatos	No I might be able to use an iPod battery as well
14:58:48	S_a_i_n_t	And, failing that, Clips aren't exactly very expensive.
14:58:55	Thanatos	thats right SAINT!
14:59:03	Thanatos	I have a backup clip I'm loading with music right now
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15:01:29	Thanatos	I never expected this to happen to me
15:01:32	Thanatos	but haha it did!
15:01:50	S_a_i_n_t	It's a fact of life.
15:01:59	S_a_i_n_t	Electrical goods will fail eventually.
15:02:10	Thanatos	I never had such a violent end before though
15:02:22	Thanatos	The plastic smells like the whole thing is damaged beyond repair
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15:02:40	S_a_i_n_t	I'd be quite surprised if your settings/configuration/use caused damage to the player...it was probably just a bad battery.
15:02:59	S_a_i_n_t	And, it came to the end of its uable life, allbeit prematurely
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15:03:21	Thanatos	So you don't think if it was due to rockbox on it with those settings?
15:03:46	Thanatos	I wish I could determine it, but oh well I am just another stupid end user! ( ﾟヮﾟ)
15:04:42	funman	Thanatos: i have a clipv2 and it never overheated
15:04:45	S_a_i_n_t	I doubt it, there's a LOT of people using Rockboxed Clips...I'm sure if charging with a wall charger caused damage there would have been a lot more complaints.
15:04:49	S_a_i_n_t	Howecver, is it the correct charger for the device?
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15:04:57	Thanatos	Nope
15:05:05	Thanatos	It never caused a problem before though
15:05:21	S_a_i_n_t	Well, there's your problem I suspect.
15:05:33	S_a_i_n_t	It is probably supplying too much power to the device.
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15:05:43	Thanatos	I should not trust www.dealextreme.com anymore
15:05:52	Thanatos	I used a basic USB charger
15:06:02	Thanatos	it seemed like it was a bad apple unit
15:06:11	S_a_i_n_t	s/is/was/
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15:06:42	Thanatos	Oh well, time for school now, thanks for your help everyone! ( ﾟヮﾟ)
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15:07:04	S_a_i_n_t	IIUC Apple/Sansa chargers are NOT interchangable
15:07:22	Thanatos	by the way what is the battery life on the v1 like?
15:07:23	S_a_i_n_t	I've geard of others frying their Sansas doing that exact same thing.
15:07:24	CIA-81	New commit by teru (r28219): don't reload the skins if color isn't actually changed. ...
15:07:44	Thanatos	It shows that the maximum is eight hours
15:08:11	S_a_i_n_t	s/geard/heard/
15:08:34	Thanatos	At first I thought it was always the highest clocked but I think funman corrected me and told me it was just an estimation
15:09:09	funman	i don't know what is a Sansa charger
15:09:25	CIA-81	r28219 build result: All green
15:09:29	funman	and clips should charge in 3 hours maximum
15:10:15	S_a_i_n_t	funman: I believe he meant total runtime from a full charge.
15:10:53	funman	clipv2 should run 24hours not 8
15:11:12	Torne	the clips just charge from USB the same as anything else
15:11:33	Thanatos	I meant v1
15:11:49	Thanatos	How long does it usually last?
15:11:55	Torne	and any old usb charger should do unless it's poor at regulating the voltage and drifts substantially above 5V
15:11:58	funman	ah, you say v2 but you mean v1 ..
15:12:36	Thanatos	You missed the last thing I posted, I really should have everything on one line
15:12:37	Thanatos	<Thanatos> by the way what is the battery life on the v1 like?
15:13:18	funman	oh ok, thought the overheating clip was a v1 - alright then
15:13:26	pSiKO	hi funman, have you had time to test my card on fuzev2 ?
15:13:34	Thanatos	Yeah the v2 ovcerheated
15:13:39	funman	pSiKO: no i don't have the fuze yet, perhaps sunday or next week
15:13:43	Thanatos	And I have a v1 to use, just wondering what the battery life is like
15:13:49	Thanatos	Since it always estimates it to be 8hours
15:13:58	pSiKO	ok no prob :)
15:14:13	funman	it is like 8 hours ..
15:14:29	funman	on my clipv1 at least, since i'm the one who commits estimations for sansas
15:15:16	Thanatos	:(
15:15:40	Thanatos	I hope I can fix my v2 then
15:15:44	Thanatos	Or just get a clip+
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15:16:40	Thanatos	theres more active development on the clip+ right? I heard it gets 40+hrs
15:16:47	webguest55	is there a way to set a start time for a song?
15:17:18	Thanatos	Why not just split the file?
15:17:46	funman	Thanatos: clip+ is almost identical to clipv2
15:18:49	S_a_i_n_t	webguest55: cuesheets should do what you want.
15:19:53	pixelma	S_a_i_n_t: that would still mean skipping ahead manually, no?
15:20:37	S_a_i_n_t	Ah, yes...Indeed it would.
15:20:43	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmmm :/
15:21:04	pixelma	maybe a bookmark. But I'm not sure I understand what webguest55 wants correctly as I can read it two ways - starting at a specific time in a file, or starting playback at all at a certain time (of day) like an alarm clock
15:21:28	Thanatos	If its playback it might be easier just to split the file
15:21:30	webguest55	ChanServ: sry afk for a little
15:21:35	webguest55	yea just playback
15:21:47	webguest55	and i use the database not the file browser for music playing
15:21:52	webguest55	so i can't make bookmarks
15:22:07	Thanatos	Do you have anything against splitting the file?
15:22:09	S_a_i_n_t	splitting the file is like curing toothache with a hammer
15:22:12	Thanatos	Thats what I would do
15:22:19	webguest55	hmm
15:22:23	S_a_i_n_t	there's surely an easier way to do it than butchering your files.
15:22:26	Thanatos	I dunno, thats how I make my ringtones
15:22:30	webguest55	i mean i still want the 1st like 20 sec of my song
15:22:42	webguest55	in case i feel like listening to it some day
15:22:49	S_a_i_n_t	Bookmark
15:23:03	S_a_i_n_t	Seems as though that would be your best bet.
15:23:17	webguest55	hmm
15:23:22	webguest55	mk
15:23:26	webguest55	i know that there's this feature in itunes
15:23:36	webguest55	but nothing similar in rockbox yet?
15:23:44	S_a_i_n_t	Add a bookmark in the track at the time you want to start it, then maintain a list of recent bookmarks (it's a feature in rockbox)
15:23:51	webguest55	ChanServ:
15:23:55	webguest55	whoops sry
15:24:02	S_a_i_n_t	webguest55: Yes, rockbox has had bookmarks for a long time.
15:24:03	webguest55	mk
15:24:08	webguest55	thanks!
15:24:21	S_a_i_n_t	what player do you have?
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15:24:33	webguest55	nano1g
15:24:46	S_a_i_n_t	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-build.html
15:24:59	webguest55	yea ive read that
15:25:12	S_a_i_n_t	there 'ys go...checkout bookmarking in there.
15:25:20	S_a_i_n_t	the manual is VERY comprehensive.
15:25:31	webguest55	ya. thank you
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15:46:15	Luca_S	hello everybody. I've been busy for a while. In this time I discovered that my FuzeV2 no longer connects via experimental USB. Current version + frequency switching + high quality audio settings. I will try to revert those patches and test again. I know for sure that without patches and with a couple weeks' ago svn it worked with approx. 50% chance.
15:46:58	Luca_S	apart from that, frequency switching worked smoothly.
15:47:06	Luca_S	gotta go now, see you soon
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16:22:15	Luca_S	how dumb, I forgot the error message. PANIC usb-drv: wrong architecture (0)
16:22:52	funman	Luca_S: if you test cpufreq, please verify how it affects battery life. In my last tests it could damage battery life
16:22:58	Luca_S	just tested with a plain svn, while I couldn't make rb usb work with 3-4 attempts, it does not panic.
16:23:07	Luca_S	funman: I already posted some time ago some benches
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16:23:27	Luca_S	on my fuze, it helps with accelerated benches. not much, but it helps
16:23:29	funman	saratoga is trying on clip+
16:26:39	CIA-81	New commit by teru (r28220): fix displaying of the slider when default is used for pb->y and pb->height.
16:28:23	CIA-81	r28220 build result: All green
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17:13:05	saratoga	funman: scaling added a little over half an hour for me, although someone on ABI reported larger gains
17:14:03	funman	that sounds good then
17:14:35	saratoga	it doesn't crash for me, although someone on ABI got a crash loading themes
17:14:43	saratoga	not sure if thats related to boosting though
17:15:08	saratoga	however using mp3 it'll basically never boost with the screen off
17:15:31	funman	it'll boost but for a short time
17:15:46	funman	iiuc boosting is synchronous, cpu_boost() has immediate effect
17:15:58	saratoga	mp3 needs about 26MHz, and idle clock is 40mhz right?
17:16:34	funman	it'll boost even if not necessary
17:17:15	saratoga	when does that happen?
17:17:32	funman	we could compare mp3 with boosting, and mp3 with clock forced to minimum to see if there's something worth doing
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17:17:53	funman	cpu_boost() is only conditional on #HAVE_CPUFREQ (or whatever the define name is)
17:18:26	saratoga	yeah but it only ever actually boosts if the pcm buffer gets low right?
17:18:47	funman	hm i thought each codec has some cpu_boost() calls inline at critical steps
17:19:10	saratoga	the codecs themselves don't boost, just the buffering system if it starts to get behind
17:20:47	funman	perhaps try running mp3 + an intensive plugin like matrix
17:21:19	funman	yes i was mistaken, only plugins boost
17:23:24	saratoga	i'll try doing a test bench using APE
17:23:30	saratoga	should get lots of boosting :)
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17:25:33	funman	perhaps after 16 hours you will have decoded a full song ;)
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19:23:45	Llorean	pixelma: Something like "Rockbox was not stable enough this release period to meet our release guidelines. This is relatively stable build with some known regressions we will provide support for in lieu of a current release version."
19:24:11	Llorean	pixelma: I feel I can relatively confidently predict JdGordon's support for shortening the freeze period, though. He's never liked it.
19:24:51	pixelma	hmm, maybe (about the first)
19:25:06	Llorean	JdGordon's recommended shortening the freeze period in the past.
19:25:23	Llorean	He could suddenly about face on the issue, but...
19:25:48	S_a_i_n_t	heh...how often does that happen though?
19:26:08	S_a_i_n_t	mind made up == mind made up
19:26:11	pixelma	Llorean: how would you handle Rockbox Utility integration though (which is one argument)?
19:26:57	Llorean	Where does RButil currently get its current build number from? Does it necessarily need to be numeric?
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19:28:35	Llorean	I guess it just irritates me to see known bugs with one person's code, and that person's going on to continue adding features with a release coming up, rather than spending his time trying to clear them up.
19:28:54	pixelma	also, talking about JdGordon's opinion here while he's away isn't really nice and I don't think it's very important (one person more or less in the freeze/branch "discussion")
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19:29:25	funman	did i miss the start of your discussion?
19:29:29	Llorean	pixelma: What discussion. Unless someone tells them "stop until there are more opinions" they're going to announce a freeze on Monday.
19:29:53	Llorean	They've already declared a consensus (of two people) is enough.
19:30:02	pixelma	Llorean: yeah, I find that kind of sad too, though I realise that these bugs seem a bit random and may be hard to track down
19:30:25	Llorean	pixelma: Yeah, but time spent working on other features is time spent not at least trying to track them down.
19:30:41	Llorean	I could understand if the bug wasn't reproducible or something, but aren't the theme bugs more or less consistent?
19:30:47	pixelma	well, then other people should speak up, I just got the mail with the shortening proposal
19:30:56	linuxstb	Llorean: Are you saying you think Rockbox is too buggy at the moment to release?
19:31:04	*	funman wonders how much time Llorean spent (trying to) to track these bugs down
19:32:04	pixelma	Llorean: for me they are most of the times, though it seems to depend on the actual theme used and it sometimes doesn't occur
19:32:13	Llorean	linuxstb: I'm saying I don't see why we should bother with releases, if the goal has stopped being "try to make sure Rockbox is stable and working for release time." When people aren't working on fixing the bugs they introduce, and at the same time want to shorten the freeze period so that they can keep working on features, it basically indicates they're no longer interested in a release at all.
19:32:55	pixelma	funman: he didn't commit the code in question though. I spent some time tracking them down as far as a non-coder can do
19:33:20	funman	pixelma: thanks
19:33:38	pixelma	and one even lead to a fix (not a 100% working for me though it seems) but it got better
19:33:40	Llorean	funman: Whether or not I'm trying to track them down doesn't change the fact that the person who introduced them is actively working on other stuff rather than trying to repair issues he knows he introduced. I don't know that he's given up on it, but he definitely doesn't seem particularly interested in getting themes back to where they were before he started mucking with it.
19:34:12	funman	Llorean: telling other people what they must do is guaranteed to never work
19:34:40	Llorean	funman: But you can tell them what they must not do, such as "stop introducing new features to themeing before the previous features you've introduced don't break old features"
19:34:42	funman	sure maybe he added the bug in the first place but that doesnt' mean we have to pester him until it's fixed
19:35:10	Llorean	It doesn't benefit anyone if people just run on with feature after feature, and don't ever clean up the mess they leave behind.
19:35:25	Llorean	At least you get less half baked features if you tell them "stop until it's working"
19:35:43	funman	current trunk works perfectly for me
19:35:48	Llorean	Good for you.
19:35:54	funman	although i'm perhaps cheating since i use it on a player without screen ^^
19:35:58	Llorean	Have you tried the thing/s known to be broken though?
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19:36:53	pixelma	my main gripe with how it went was that adding more and more features to the newly introduced theme engine before letting it settle for a while and see if anything creeps up is that it makes it harder to track down the problem (was it introduced during the main part or at a later time?)
19:38:20	Llorean	I just feel like there's a bit of feeling of "it doesn't matter if I introduce bugs, since somebody else can fix them and I can go on to do other stuff"
19:39:00	Llorean	I also don't see what benefit comes from shortening the release freeze period, at all.
19:39:27	pixelma	me neither but that should be probably taken to the ml
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19:52:43	pixelma	I find the early USB crash important too especially as I now have to turn on the Ondio before connecting to USB if I want to avoid the crash and which is extremely weird if I want to use the Ondio as USB reader as the bridge doesn't handle both "drives". Unfortunately no-one told me yet where the bug can be seen on other targets too, just that early USB exists elsewhere too
19:52:57	linuxstb	Llorean: I would agree that the freeze period should be short. But I also agree with you that buggy code shouldn't be committed in the first place - i.e. it is the responsibility of the committer to test their own code and it shouldn't be committed until it's tested thoroughly.
19:53:15	pixelma	it has been present on earlier releases too probably
19:53:18	Llorean	linuxstb: I'd say 1 week is a pretty short period.
19:53:45	Llorean	linuxstb: The proposal is to remove the freeze period entirely, so that there's only a branch. Effectively, there is no freeze since you never need to commit to the branch tree and can just keep working.
19:56:16	linuxstb	Llorean: I guess I'm talking hypothetically - _if_ SVN was kept in a generally stable stage, then the freeeze period could be short.
19:56:22	Llorean	Yeah
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19:56:43	Llorean	If people treated SVN like a release could happen at any time, the freeze could more or less be nonexistent.
19:57:05	Llorean	But there seems to be a real push right now of "make it shiny at any cost"
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21:20:14	user890104	is it possible to charge the battery of ipod nano 2g via usb while using rockbox (without entering usb mode)?
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21:21:05	gevaerts	user890104: see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano2g/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3
21:21:34	user890104	thanks gevaerts!
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23:34:14	basti	i got a little problem with my h340 which is allready running with rockbox. i cant remember what happened, but while playing something it jumped into some debug mode and drained the battery. (at least it says its at 0% although it can run anyway). but ever since that, the navigation keys dont really work anymore. i cant use the down or up key. and when i want to load the original iriver firmware, it tries to start it, but nothing happens. i
23:34:15	basti	did reinstall both the bootloder and rockboc, but it didnt work. is it broken, or do i have some hope?
23:37:22	gevaerts	What do you mean by "some debug mode"? A panic screen?
23:38:17	basti	idont know what a panic screen looks like. it said something like "debugging now" and something came up the screen
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23:42:21	gevaerts	This happened by itself?
23:43:22	basti	i really cant remember that i did something out the normal stuff
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23:44:17	gevaerts	I'd guess you got a panic, although then I don't understand this
23:44:24	gevaerts	"debugging now" bit
23:44:51	basti	fuck me. i just started the damn thing and it works again.... i booted it like 20 times and the keys didnt work. now all of the sudden it has chosen to work again....
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23:45:11	gevaerts	Maybe it didn't really have enough charge before?
23:45:28	basti	i havent it charged in that time
23:46:18	basti	and the battery indicator is at 70% now as it has been before the "blackout"
23:46:34	basti	and i ordered an ipod tody...
23:47:55	gevaerts	I don't know then. Maybe a coincidence? Some dirt in the buttons that now went away?
23:49:41	basti	after that i disassembled it and cleaned every part with pressure air. dont know what went wrong. but the iriver firmware should have loaded
23:50:01	basti	which it does know
23:51:51	gevaerts	Actually, if some buttons have bad contacts, they might report presses all the time, which might interfere with booting
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23:55:07	basti	but if they report contact all the time, and i boot rockbox than shouldnt they navigate all the time, or do somthing else? that was not the case. they just did not work, respectively did the wrong thing
23:56:00	gevaerts	That depends. If more than one button is stuck, probably nothing at all will work
23:56:22	gevaerts	Other things may happen too, depending on how buttons are connected
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23:58:05	basti	ok. i guess i have to live with that mystery and the fact that i bought an ipod
23:58:32	gevaerts	If it works now, I wouldn't worry about it

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