| 00:03:53 | pixelma | hmm, I thought sound settings aren't supposed to wrap? |
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| 00:05:01 | Llorean | I thought it was more depending on if the setting could be "dangerous" like volume or gain adjustments that could hurt your hearing if wrapping from bottom to top |
| 00:06:00 | pixelma | ah, ok. I just noticed that the MAS' MDB settings all don't wrap but the difference is not "dangerous" |
| 00:09:37 | wodz | I almost hacked profiling support in sim - the problem is that 1)I get one symbol that is not in .map 2)my hack is linux specific |
| 00:12:15 | pixelma | wodz: sound settings all seem to work correctly (as I think there are some that the Player's MAS doesn't have) |
| 00:13:16 | wodz | pixelma: what about recording? |
| 00:13:39 | pixelma | currently testing |
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| 00:25:20 | pixelma | wodz: available settings are all the same if I saw correctly. Two short test recordings (one with the internal mic, one from radio) worked, just testing the standards though - the resulting average bitrate looked correct (respecting the quality setting) |
| 00:25:43 | pixelma | would the patch have influence on wav recording too which is done in a plugin? |
| 00:28:17 | wodz | pixelma: patch moves functions around so it's better to check |
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| 00:36:30 | pixelma | wav recording and playback also looks correctly |
| 00:38:14 | pixelma | independent from the patch: I wonder though why e.g. the filename in the recording screen (and wavrecord) are displayed as "//Rec_*" when the recording directory is root |
| 00:38:26 | pixelma | why two slashes? |
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| 00:39:01 | pixelma | as I said it doesn't have to do with the patch, SVN does the same |
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| 01:00:57 | pixelma | wodz: I also played around with the png viewer (the v5 patch) on both Ondio and M5. Works on both, the files that were rejected by an earlier version on the M5 work now. I'm wondering a bit why I sometimes get "file too large" and sometimes "out of memory" on larger files but I could imagine that it has to do with compressed and decompressed size? |
| 01:03:19 | pixelma | the Archos version still doesn't do aspect ratio correction like e.g. the bmp viewer does and I noticed when comparing with a square file (200x200) that the bmp player states "decoding 200x160" (so corrected) and the png viewer "decoding 200x200", so to me it looks like the difference is already at the loading step (?) |
| 01:03:34 | pixelma | it's not very important but would be nice :) |
| 01:04:08 | wodz | pixelma: thanks for all testings |
| 01:04:21 | wodz | I'll look at this |
| 01:04:40 | pixelma | np. Shall I paste the comments to flyspray too? |
| 01:04:50 | wodz | yes, please |
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| 01:18:27 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: are you still confused about Sl/Sv? |
| 01:18:37 | S_a_i_n_t | A little. |
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| 01:19:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Like, I understand *how* to define a custom variable, and how to define its options...and how to call it with the config file...but for the life of me I can't really think of anything usefull to put in there. |
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| 01:19:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, how to code it. |
| 01:20:23 | JdGordon| | your themes have conditional viewports and comments like "enable this one for X to happen" right? |
| 01:20:46 | S_a_i_n_t | correct. |
| 01:20:53 | JdGordon| | so simply, you'd just do %?Sl(aa)<%Vd(a)|%Vd(b)> instead |
| 01:21:04 | JdGordon| | umm, %Sv there |
| 01:21:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha, right. I kinda get it now. |
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| 01:25:01 | JdGordon| | I'm not sure if this is actually going to be possible or not, but it would be awesome if it could actually be used to rewrite part of the skin, so %Sv(clock) would end up getting "%cm:%ch" in the actual skin, or %Sv(font) could be 12-helvetica.fnt |
| 01:26:26 | S_a_i_n_t | I remember discussing that before, and yeah...it would be nice. But more well suited to being "its own thing" as opposed to being incorporated into this. |
| 01:26:39 | S_a_i_n_t | 'Twould also allow for user based translation. |
| 01:27:04 | S_a_i_n_t | translation/word sunstitution |
| 01:27:11 | S_a_i_n_t | *substitution |
| 01:27:47 | JdGordon| | I bourght up user translation in the mailing list. all thre are really the same idea |
| 01:28:05 | JdGordon| | rewriting the skin is going to be the hardest one though and very probably not doable |
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| 02:23:55 | thals1992 | Hi, I've recently downloaded the Linux copy for Rockbox development. Is there anything else I need to download to the VM to compile to iPod Nano (1st Gen)? |
| 02:30:12 | soap | is the ARM compiler on the VMware image current, scorche? |
| 02:38:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Anyone know what's needed to get the Nano2G to power on on USB plug? |
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| 02:51:47 | thals1992 | My reasoning was that I read the page to using the VMware image to compile rockbox, but it is difficult to follow the directions to compile rockbox. Could anyone in a few lines explain how I'd go along with compiling for an iPod Nano (1st Gen.) |
| 02:52:28 | S_a_i_n_t | make a build folder, cd to it, run configure, run make, make zip, done. |
| 02:52:42 | JdGordon| | cd rockbox; svn up; mkdir build; cd build; ../tools/configure; make |
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| 03:04:48 | Llorean | So, bringing it in from -community, some people feel it might be great if there were some interaction directly between the themesite and the forums |
| 03:05:18 | Llorean | One idea is a possible themesite forum account that would start a thread for each posted theme, and update that thread (by updating the first post, as well as replying at the end with a notification post) when the theme is updated. |
| 03:07:03 | thals1992 | I think it would be good as it lets them better explain their theme and the could extensively tell them/ show them what has changed from patch to patch |
| 03:07:46 | JdGordon| | I have a strong suspiscion that the only thing stopping this would be the need to update the template to contain the link, and the script to create the thread |
| 03:07:48 | Llorean | thals1992: Well, mainly this needs discussed to look for problems (and how to overcome them) and someone interested enough to do the actual work |
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| 03:09:33 | JdGordon| | I assume the thread could be created with one or two POST commands? |
| 03:10:10 | Llorean | I haven't looked, but I'd guess so. |
| 03:10:34 | S_a_i_n_t | quite probably, but...would that involve signing in to the themesite, as one would the forums, before posting a theme? |
| 03:10:50 | S_a_i_n_t | Or would the notification come from "Blah-Bot" and not "Author"? |
| 03:11:14 | JdGordon| | the simplest suggestion is having a themebot account |
| 03:11:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Yeah, I figured as much. |
| 03:11:55 | JdGordon| | Of course we could ask the user in the theme upload page for their forum user/pass to have them create the thread |
| 03:12:08 | thals1992 | @Llorean well I would think the -only- good uses for it would be to give a place where the theme designer could recieve comments on how crappy their work is or a place for the author to recieve comments about how their theme is not displaying correctly. |
| 03:12:12 | JdGordon| | or even just username if we can change the thread owner |
| 03:12:44 | Llorean | JdGordon|: It might be beneficial to have the initial post standardized though. If they enter their user/pass, it could create an immediate second post for them, so that they're right there at the top though... |
| 03:12:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Indeed....but, the question arises, would anyone actually read these? Would this info not be more well suited on the themesite/theme's page itself? |
| 03:13:05 | Llorean | Or even just give them a field to type in the content of a second post "if you're already signed into the forum when visiting this page" or something |
| 03:13:23 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: The idea would be to have the content of the thread visible as "comments" on the theme's page. |
| 03:13:35 | soap | if the themesite bot had admin access could it post as a common user? Therefore the user need not give the themesite his/her forum account credentials? |
| 03:13:36 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: I would say 100% it would be better for longer comments to be in the forum thread |
| 03:13:51 | soap | Though, now that I say that, there be a horrible hole. |
| 03:14:21 | JdGordon| | it doesnt look like my admin access lets me change a threads owner |
| 03:14:24 | thals1992 | I believe if it needed a forum it should be an extension of the Themes download page to allow minimal support from the theme author. |
| 03:14:28 | JdGordon| | maybe higher mods can thouhg |
| 03:15:13 | soap | yea, neither you nor I have "admin". |
| 03:15:29 | Llorean | I don't remember being able to |
| 03:15:43 | Llorean | I mean you could go into the database account and do it, but that's the only way I think. |
| 03:15:45 | S_a_i_n_t | My concern is, do we give the forum a new section "Theme Notifications"? Or will it be cluttering up the Theme Customisation section? |
| 03:16:05 | JdGordon| | it would go in a sub orum of the skin/themeing forum |
| 03:16:11 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: I'd recommend it be submenus under themes like the manual installation ones. |
| 03:16:14 | S_a_i_n_t | aha. |
| 03:16:35 | soap | It is another discussion, but the current topography is a bit bothersome to me. |
| 03:16:38 | Llorean | Of the forum? |
| 03:16:47 | Llorean | Or the themesite? |
| 03:17:05 | JdGordon| | the theme template would then simply get a link "Comments: _(<number)_" |
| 03:17:09 | soap | yes. Subforums are not my favorite idea. |
| 03:17:16 | JdGordon| | the numbe being a link to the forum thread |
| 03:17:19 | * | JdGordon| likey |
| 03:17:20 | S_a_i_n_t | If == Forum, I have thought that also...I tried to come up with a "beter" proposed layout, but it got far too labrynthine |
| 03:17:25 | Llorean | soap: Do you have a proposal to replace them? |
| 03:17:43 | soap | Llorean, I would if I were able to put into words my objection. ;) |
| 03:18:06 | S_a_i_n_t | "I don't like it" ;) |
| 03:18:10 | Llorean | soap: I mean we only use subforums for manual installation, and mainly because having them all listed would clutter things up something awful on the front page. |
| 03:18:45 | soap | *currently |
| 03:19:48 | Llorean | I mean given our current tools, the only alternative to subforums is "no subforums" which basically puts them all at the same level? |
| 03:20:02 | JdGordon| | I'd like more splitting up of the current forums, but otherwise I think its not too bad |
| 03:20:39 | Llorean | JdGordon|: Splitting? Any specific lines? |
| 03:20:58 | JdGordon| | " |
| 03:21:02 | Llorean | Wasn't someone recently suggesting a merger of Themes and User Interface (for flyspray, but the same would apply to forums) |
| 03:21:02 | JdGordon| | grr |
| 03:21:18 | soap | I'd rather see the themesite "talk" in its own "branch" of the forums, and not burried in a subbranch. |
| 03:21:54 | Llorean | soap: Ah, a themesite subcategory. |
| 03:21:58 | Llorean | That'd be equally good in my mind |
| 03:22:02 | JdGordon| | "Audio Playback, Database and Playlists" should be split, db and playlists could go together maybe. |
| 03:22:02 | Llorean | Especially since those can be collapsed. |
| 03:22:10 | S_a_i_n_t | UI/Voice and Costomisation don't really mix |
| 03:22:25 | S_a_i_n_t | err..., spelt correctly. |
| 03:22:28 | JdGordon| | themeing+customisation shouldnt be in support :) |
| 03:22:32 | soap | Subforums tend to "rank" messages. I like everything on one level where possible. |
| 03:22:37 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: Except themes are allowing far more interaction now (especially on touchscreen) |
| 03:22:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, but the Voice doesn't fit. |
| 03:23:10 | Llorean | Voice doesn't fit with UI? |
| 03:23:15 | Llorean | It is the same as the text. |
| 03:23:17 | S_a_i_n_t | And Voicing doesn't really needs its own seperate thread. |
| 03:23:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Voice fits with UI, but not customization. |
| 03:23:48 | Llorean | Voice is just an alternate output for the menus, and it can be nearly impossible to distinguish a menu problem from a voice problem for someone using only the voice UI. |
| 03:23:52 | soap | not to mention it is the third slowest of the original groups. Voice in there likely gains more attention than it would if it sat alone. |
| 03:24:10 | soap | *slowest as in forum traffic |
| 03:24:19 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: But voice goes with UI, and UI goes with customization. And UI customization is increasing rapidly. |
| 03:24:44 | Llorean | Eventually I wouldn't be surprised if we had "voice on touch" features in the WPS or something similar anyway |
| 03:25:00 | * | JdGordon| has done that patch |
| 03:25:02 | soap | There is a point at which division leads to miscatagorization by users and increasing inconvience in finding what you're looking for. |
| 03:25:05 | S_a_i_n_t | If someone didn't throw a fit about it, probably. |
| 03:26:19 | Llorean | soap: More or less why Voice and UI are together, and why themes makes a good fit - it helps *users* who may not be sure of the exact dividing lines put it in someplace someone is likely to be looking for that type of issue. |
| 03:27:15 | JdGordon| | I tihnk customisation and UI/voice should be kept seperate |
| 03:27:40 | JdGordon| | the latter is more about development, the first is more about helping users get around the craziness of ht ehtmeing |
| 03:27:56 | Llorean | I don't think they'll be able to *too* much longer, especially if we get customizable menus or graphically customizable menus. |
| 03:28:18 | Llorean | I'm not saying it should merge now, but the line between them is growing finer. |
| 03:28:27 | JdGordon| | sure |
| 03:28:46 | JdGordon| | someone sniff the headers and see how a forum htread is created.... |
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| 04:04:04 | Philippe_Ino | hey |
| 04:04:14 | Philippe_Ino | Is there a simplified way to make themes? |
| 04:04:40 | S_a_i_n_t | compared to...what? |
| 04:04:52 | S_a_i_n_t | there's the themeeditor, other than that...nope. |
| 04:04:53 | Philippe_Ino | the whole zip process |
| 04:05:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Even the themeeditor requires a bit of knowledge of theme syntax. |
| 04:05:24 | Philippe_Ino | yeah... |
| 04:05:39 | S_a_i_n_t | Philippe_Ino: No. If you intend to distribute the theme, it *must* be in a .zip |
| 04:05:55 | S_a_i_n_t | If its just for your own use, it never need see a .zip, ever. |
| 04:06:05 | Philippe_Ino | well not so much not in a zip, but is there like, a dumbed down version of how to make it |
| 04:06:28 | Philippe_Ino | I don't know too much about file editting and what not |
| 04:06:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Nope, the descriptions you'll find are as "user friendly" as it gets. |
| 04:06:42 | S_a_i_n_t | It really isn't complicated. |
| 04:06:48 | Philippe_Ino | uhhh... |
| 04:06:53 | Philippe_Ino | alright then |
| 04:06:57 | Philippe_Ino | I'll give it a shot |
| 04:07:18 | Philippe_Ino | wait |
| 04:07:33 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems daunting at first, but, it's really just a case of knowing what tag does what, and how to arrange the syntax correctly. |
| 04:07:37 | Philippe_Ino | can I like "steal" someone else's theme and just change a background or something? |
| 04:07:51 | S_a_i_n_t | of course, it's all GPL licensed. |
| 04:07:57 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not "theft" ;) |
| 04:08:01 | Philippe_Ino | I know |
| 04:08:03 | Philippe_Ino | but how? |
| 04:08:07 | Philippe_Ino | do I just download one |
| 04:08:14 | Philippe_Ino | then change things? |
| 04:08:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Download the theme, and, change the background ;) |
| 04:08:30 | S_a_i_n_t | It still requires a knowledge of theme syntax though. |
| 04:08:42 | S_a_i_n_t | As you'll have to do some editing if you change filenames, etc. |
| 04:08:54 | Philippe_Ino | uhhh |
| 04:09:08 | Philippe_Ino | if I have no clue what I'm doing, should I install rockbox anyways? |
| 04:09:12 | Philippe_Ino | and just figure it out |
| 04:09:17 | Philippe_Ino | or is there a large learning curb? |
| 04:09:44 | S_a_i_n_t | Definitely, but, it's pretty easy to figure out. You should definitely read the manual for you device though. |
| 04:10:02 | Philippe_Ino | haha, I'm pretty sure I lost that thing |
| 04:10:12 | JdGordon| | I started writing a complete step by step guide, but didnt get far enough before getting myself confused |
| 04:10:34 | Llorean | Philippe_Ino: The Rockbox manual for your device. |
| 04:10:43 | Philippe_Ino | ooooh |
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| 04:11:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Philippe_Ino: What device do you have? |
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| 04:11:44 | Philippe_Ino | sansa fuze |
| 04:11:55 | S_a_i_n_t | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html |
| 04:11:58 | S_a_i_n_t | there. |
| 04:12:35 | akpseudo | haha, i came to ask about the fuze v2 too. i'm trying to find the changelog for v2. |
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| 04:13:33 | Philippe_Ino | oh I have v1 I think |
| 04:13:45 | Philippe_Ino | but I honestly can't tell |
| 04:13:54 | JdGordon| | the manual is the same |
| 04:14:21 | S_a_i_n_t | the firmware revision, if it is 0.1 you have a V1, 0.2 you have a V2 |
| 04:14:34 | S_a_i_n_t | s/it is/begins with/ |
| 04:14:40 | Philippe_Ino | I thought the hardware is new too? |
| 04:14:56 | S_a_i_n_t | It is, but, the manual is the same. |
| 04:15:25 | Philippe_Ino | okay |
| 04:18:11 | akpseudo | can one of y'all tell me where to find the changes for sansams v2 ;) |
| 04:18:37 | JdGordon| | changes from what? |
| 04:18:45 | akpseudo | a changelog |
| 04:18:50 | JdGordon| | of what? |
| 04:20:33 | akpseudo | for rockbox on fuze v2 |
| 04:21:19 | JdGordon| | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges |
| 04:21:29 | JdGordon| | linked amazingly from the webpage |
| 04:23:14 | akpseudo | was hoping for a svn changelog |
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| 04:26:56 | Llorean | Like the one on the front page? |
| 04:26:57 | krazykit | akpseudo, it's also linked on the front page |
| 04:28:32 | akpseudo | ok i'll look around there. i've been trying to find it on google, was my problem. |
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| 09:17:00 | KiwiCam | Hi. I'm trying to upload a WPS Theme but am getting the message "Your wps didn't pass checkwps. Here's the output: WPS screenshot". However I can't see the output. There is an error message at the top of the screen. Could this be the Output? "Warning: join() [function.join]: Invalid arguments passed in /home/themes/www/upload.php on line 109". Thanks. |
| 09:18:18 | JdGordon| | did you include a screenshot? |
| 09:18:37 | KiwiCam | Yes. Just one. A .png |
| 09:18:59 | KiwiCam | The theme works on both my Clip V2 & Plus. |
| 09:22:29 | KiwiCam | Darn. I think I have the solution. My bitmaps folder isn't in the wps folder, but on the same level. That must be it. Oops. |
| 09:25:28 | KiwiCam | That worked. Doh. So, now what happens please? I presume it's waiting for approval. Is that correct? |
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| 09:32:31 | JdGordon| | don't they go straight up? |
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| 09:36:33 | KiwiCam | There were 24 themes in each of the Sansa Clip categories. There still are. I chose the Sansa Clip V2 category. I'm pretty sure I didn't upload it to any other. |
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| 09:49:42 | KiwiCam | Excellent. It's there now. I had to verify my email address before it would put the theme in place. |
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| 10:15:07 | KiwiCam | I see in the WPS notes that you can detect if the volume and hold keys in the Sansa Clip are pressed, but is there a way of being able to detect if the Submenu key has been pressed while in the WPS screen? Currently it has no function in that screen, so I'd like to make use of that. |
| 10:16:12 | n1s | no |
| 10:17:02 | KiwiCam | Make that "while a track is playing". When it's paused I get the playlist. |
| 10:17:39 | n1s | that sounds wrong |
| 10:17:40 | KiwiCam | No (sorry, didn't spot that in time. Thanks :( |
| 10:18:14 | n1s | does the button open the playlist viewer when playback is paused and it does nothing while playing? |
| 10:18:28 | KiwiCam | Yes. That's it. |
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| 10:19:32 | KiwiCam | Wait. Long keypress in play brings up the playlist. Maybe the key is sticking? |
| 10:19:40 | n1s | that sounds very much like a bug, it should do the same, regardless of if playback is paused or playing |
| 10:22:24 | KiwiCam | Just tried both Clip V2 & +. It's a long keypress. So, do you think I could make us of the short keypress? I'd like to set it to show the next track. |
| 10:23:02 | n1s | the wps can't do things like that so you would need to patch the code |
| 10:23:17 | n1s | so the button does do the same thing while playing and paused? |
| 10:23:34 | n1s | s/do // |
| 10:23:47 | KiwiCam | Yes. Long press. Short doesn't work. |
| 10:24:09 | n1s | doesn't work or does nothing? |
| 10:25:09 | KiwiCam | Either play or pause; Long press give the same result. Nothing for a short press. |
| 10:25:49 | n1s | that sounds like it was done intentionally |
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| 10:26:54 | KiwiCam | Makes no sense really, for a short press not to have a function. |
| 10:27:56 | KiwiCam | Checkwps. How can I install this in Linux? Or even Windows. I can't find it on the Rockbox site. |
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| 10:29:21 | n1s | a long press of down/submenu should bring up the pitchscreen on clip afaict (reading the keymap) |
| 10:29:36 | wodz | Can someone explain me how 'aspect ration correction' works in bmp viewer? I looked at apps/recorder/resize.c but this is rather scary piece of code |
| 10:30:20 | n1s | KiwiCam: check tools/checkwps/readme in the source tree |
| 10:30:29 | n1s | sorry s/readme/README/ |
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| 10:32:36 | KiwiCam | Pitchscreen? It states Playlist at the top of the screen and certainly looks like it. I'll see if I can find that readme. Thanks. |
| 10:34:13 | n1s | ah, no sorry, short press shoulöd go to pitchscreen, long is "hotkey" which defaults to the playlist viewer |
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| 10:40:37 | KiwiCam | I see what the Pitchscreen is now. It's not bringing that up, so I guess I have that turned off. It would still be handy to be able to use that keypress for other options though :) |
| 10:42:02 | AlexP | I don't think you can turn it off |
| 10:42:08 | AlexP | Is this clip? |
| 10:42:28 | pixelma | I wonder how short a short press is for you, KiwiCam |
| 10:43:49 | AlexP | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=27982 |
| 10:44:16 | AlexP | someone moaned in the forum IIRC |
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| 10:45:03 | AlexP | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25628.0 |
| 10:45:15 | n1s | i totally misread that diff, need more coffee |
| 10:45:17 | AlexP | I think it should do something personally, but... |
| 10:45:52 | n1s | haha, yes that is very stupid |
| 10:46:16 | AlexP | well I'd support whoever changed it |
| 10:46:25 | AlexP | to make it do something I mean |
| 10:46:28 | wodz | pixelma: I posted explanation what give 'file to large' and what 'out of memory' in FS |
| 10:46:38 | wodz | s/give/gives/ |
| 10:47:20 | n1s | AlexP: yes, me too, btw we have had this situation on other targets like the h300 rec button etc |
| 10:47:24 | AlexP | yeah |
| 10:47:45 | AlexP | n1s: What function do you think should go on it? |
| 10:47:47 | pixelma | wodz: yeah, thanks. I almost expected it after I noticed that mostly files that compressed well give me the "out of memory" which were small on disk but large after decompressing |
| 10:47:58 | AlexP | As if there is a candidate I'll write to -dev |
| 10:48:40 | n1s | AlexP: i don't have a clip so i don't really know but if there is a long press action and no short press action i'd suggest moving the long press action to the short press |
| 10:48:48 | AlexP | indeed |
| 10:48:57 | AlexP | I did have a clip, but I long ago lost it |
| 10:49:02 | AlexP | Damn thing is just too small |
| 10:49:28 | AlexP | I'll have a look this evening maybe |
| 10:49:40 | AlexP | (not for the clip, with the sim :)) |
| 10:49:59 | wodz | MAS-cleanup patch has been tested (I think more than usual) and I would like to commit it. As I understand ML discussion I should wait until we roll out the release right? |
| 10:50:31 | n1s | wodz: not necessary, you can commit it to trunk, since we branched yesterday |
| 10:51:10 | n1s | although the mail suggests we focus on fixing bugs in the release during the branch period :) |
| 10:52:03 | wodz | my concern was that this patch is rather big code refactor which will make it hard to backport fixes to the branch |
| 10:52:33 | n1s | hmm, ok so maybe waiting untill the release is out is better' |
| 10:53:02 | AlexP | Probably a good plan |
| 10:53:06 | KiwiCam | Heh heh. I'm not sure how short a short key press is. It's not working anyway. Sure would be nice to be able make use of it in a custom theme. Do you think it's possible? |
| 10:53:18 | AlexP | KiwiCam: Not in a theme, no |
| 10:53:28 | AlexP | You need to edit the source then compile |
| 10:53:37 | AlexP | Themes can't change button actions |
| 10:53:56 | wodz | So after release I am going to commit MAS patch and imageviewer patch |
| 10:54:25 | KiwiCam | OK. I don't think I'd be up for editing the source code. No skills. |
| 10:54:25 | AlexP | KiwiCam: And see the discussion we just had, there is nothing on it, so it isn't not working as such - it is just some of us think there should be something on it :) |
| 10:54:37 | AlexP | button maps are pretty easy tbh |
| 10:55:04 | KiwiCam | I'm a slow IRC reader :) |
| 10:55:06 | wodz | but quite annoying |
| 10:55:37 | AlexP | wodz: Easy to change but annoying to get people to decide what to? :) |
| 10:56:52 | wodz | AlexP: I mean when doing port writing keymaps is really annoying |
| 10:57:23 | AlexP | ah right, yeah |
| 10:57:24 | KiwiCam | So how come the volume & hold keys can be checked in a custom theme? What am I not understanding? |
| 10:57:36 | wodz | there is no good documentation, sim is not very usefull in this area... |
| 10:57:43 | pixelma | AlexP: it's just weird if the purpose of the change was to have nothing on it in first place |
| 10:57:43 | AlexP | KiwiCam: only the hold key can |
| 10:57:53 | AlexP | KiwiCam: It's just that you can tell when volume is changing |
| 10:57:57 | n1s | KiwiCam: it's not the keys that are checked, its' the "volume is changing" condition that is ste |
| 10:58:07 | n1s | set |
| 10:58:22 | KiwiCam | I see. Makes a lot of sense now. |
| 10:59:20 | AlexP | pixelma: Yeah, it was unused so something (sensibly IMO) was put on it - then one person complained to it was set to nothing again |
| 10:59:41 | AlexP | I think this is wrong, it is silly not to use a short press of a main key in the WPS |
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| 11:00:09 | pixelma | KiwiCam: and it's also hold "status" which is checked - on a device with a physical switch it can be misunderstood to check the key but some devices (e.g. the Clip+) have hold in software as a key combo, the WPS can still show if you enabled it or not |
| 11:00:37 | AlexP | yes, sorry |
| 11:00:47 | AlexP | So in fact no actual keys are checked :) |
| 11:00:59 | wodz | btw. I made profiling work in sim. The problem is inlining - gcc on x86 inline a lot. And my hack is linux specific. Is it worth patch on FS? |
| 11:01:49 | n1s | wodz: on target inlining basically disables all inlining |
| 11:02:07 | wodz | hmm? |
| 11:02:20 | linuxstb | profiling disables inlining? |
| 11:02:42 | n1s | yep |
| 11:02:46 | wodz | :-) |
| 11:03:06 | KiwiCam | Interesting. I have all sorts of ideas for that key. I was thinking of maybe another custom screen, a large clock for instance, or next track. Shame. I'm wanting to find a theme that makes use of animation (pseudo). |
| 11:03:24 | wodz | this in theory may be usefull in RaaA |
| 11:03:49 | n1s | i had to mark some of the inline asm stuff in tremor with __attribute__((no_instrument_function, always_inline)) to get them to inline |
| 11:03:55 | AlexP | KiwiCam: There is an ace moving tape tapedeck one on the theme site IIRC |
| 11:04:19 | AlexP | KiwiCam: Well, ace as in looks cool - I don't think I'd actually want to use it for anything other than "look at this!" |
| 11:04:50 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not sure changing Hotkey to short press is a good idea |
| 11:04:55 | pixelma | it's probably a bit hard to pprt that to the Clip's screen ;) |
| 11:05:00 | pixelma | *port |
| 11:05:07 | S_a_i_n_t | I believe it is long press so as to make it less likely to be an accidental keypress. |
| 11:05:14 | S_a_i_n_t | I seem to remember that discussion. |
| 11:07:07 | wodz | n1s: When I force linker to emitt .map files in sim not all functions are in it. __atribute__(noinline) doesn't fix this but removing 'static' does. But I am not an expert on this field |
| 11:07:32 | KiwiCam | Long press for Pitch is best IMO. I'd get annoyed with it if it was a short. |
| 11:08:23 | S_a_i_n_t | its *NOT* for pitchscreen |
| 11:08:28 | S_a_i_n_t | It just defaults to that. |
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| 11:08:50 | S_a_i_n_t | It is for the Hotkey function, which is semi-user defineable |
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| 11:10:21 | S_a_i_n_t | btw KiwiCam, if you want to look at animation...have a look at iCatcher, or Symmetry, or iLike (last two are mine)...there's no need for "psuedo" animation, animation is indeed quite possible, and rather trivial. |
| 11:11:18 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: what about 'battery charging' animation for MPIO? |
| 11:12:19 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: Aha, that's right...I knew there was something I had to remember to talk to you about. |
| 11:12:38 | S_a_i_n_t | I have some files floating around somewhere I was working on, I'll have to dig them up. |
| 11:13:14 | KiwiCam | Excellent. Thanks Saint. I'll download them now. Now that my theme is uploaded, can I amend it, or do I have to upload another version? |
| 11:13:52 | S_a_i_n_t | KiwiCam: As long as you upload the theme with the same credentials, it will replace the latter theme. |
| 11:14:12 | S_a_i_n_t | so, same name, same author name, same email address...replaces the theme. |
| 11:17:54 | n1s | wodz: map files only contain externally visible symbols, staic functions are not externally visible, inlined or not |
| 11:18:48 | wodz | n1s: from my experience I disagree |
| 11:19:43 | wodz | I mean I see entries in map file for static functions but not for all |
| 11:19:51 | S_a_i_n_t | This is going to sound *lame* coming from me, but, who remembers the syntax to install a bootloader (.ipodx) on a Nano2G? |
| 11:20:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I've only ever had to install the bootloaders like, twice, and use RButil as it never changes for the 2G, but there's a new one now...and I can't remember the syntax the 2G Nano likes. |
| 11:21:09 | KiwiCam | I'll bear that in mind. Making themes are addictive. I just need to study more existing themes to work out how many of the Image functions work. |
| 11:21:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Other iPods are quite flexible, and a variety of ways can be used to install the bootloader. |
| 11:22:07 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: Isn't it described in manual in details? |
| 11:22:13 | S_a_i_n_t | KiwiCam: I recently placed a theme for iPod Video and iPod Nano in the forums that is very heavily commented in the theme code. |
| 11:22:33 | S_a_i_n_t | It should be able to give you an idea of what's happening. |
| 11:22:43 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: Hmmm...possibly. |
| 11:23:14 | n1s | wodz: maybe sim builds are different, but that is the way it works for target builds at least |
| 11:23:20 | S_a_i_n_t | KiwiCam: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25961.0 |
| 11:23:27 | S_a_i_n_t | there's the link ^ |
| 11:23:56 | S_a_i_n_t | The theme code is quite well commented, so, you can see where I did what, and how...especially if you're using the themeeditor. |
| 11:24:01 | KiwiCam | Great. I put plenty of comments in my own theme, mostly to remind myself, but I hope it makes sense enough for other to quickly get to grips with what I've done. |
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| 11:26:52 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: There's a blurb about iPodpatcher in the Manual Installation section... |
| 11:27:35 | S_a_i_n_t | but it just says "download iPodPatcher, and run it as Admin"...It says noting about passing iPodpatcher a bootloader and installing through the commandline |
| 11:28:02 | * | S_a_i_n_t makes a note of the fact that it possibly should. |
| 11:28:59 | pixelma | I thought ipodpatcher tells you the options? |
| 11:29:16 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: so the wiki is the last resort |
| 11:29:23 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: should it? I don't know how irt works on the 2nd gen, but if the passing options is to do anvanced stuff then I don't think it should |
| 11:29:32 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm..it may, if run without any arguments. |
| 11:29:51 | AlexP | If to do a standard install is just run it without arguments, then I don't think we should confuse people with advanced stuff |
| 11:29:54 | S_a_i_n_t | But, it wouldn;t give device specific install instruction I don't think. |
| 11:31:04 | Zagor | we need better testing, badly |
| 11:31:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Is someone wants to save me pissing around, the Nano2G bootloader in SVn needs to be tagged and added to the DL server ;) |
| 11:31:52 | S_a_i_n_t | SVN needs the new bootloader to be able to use the "boot OF with Menu" the other iPods have. :D |
| 11:32:06 | S_a_i_n_t | s/Is/if/ |
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| 11:32:44 | AlexP | Zagor: very true |
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| 11:57:47 | sia | Hi I wonder if some one could help me with using the Ipod as a mouse ?! I have installed rockbox 3.6 for ipod video 80gb changed to 240gb everything work fine, except when I connect it to the computer it restarts and goes to ipod mod connection!!!!! how do I connect it as a USB device only ? |
| 11:58:15 | Torne | The 3.6 release doesn't have Rockbox's USB mode enabled |
| 11:58:32 | sia | so what should I do? |
| 11:58:38 | Torne | what do you mean? |
| 11:58:57 | Torne | You can copy files to it just fine from the Apple disk mode |
| 11:59:28 | sia | I need to use it as a mouse the option that is available in the general setting of the rockbox |
| 11:59:59 | Torne | You can't use the USB HID mode on 3.6 |
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| 12:00:21 | sia | how about the USB Keypad MOde? |
| 12:00:23 | Torne | If you want Rockbox-specific USB features you will need to update to the current development build, or wait for 3.7 |
| 12:00:42 | Torne | (which has branched and will be released in the next couple of weeks) |
| 12:01:17 | sia | thank you very much for ur help I appreciate it :) |
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| 12:01:41 | Torne | no problem |
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| 12:10:48 | wodz | I just ordered rockchip 2706 based DAP. Time to hack something more recent than coldfires :-) |
| 12:12:43 | pixelma | what's the HD300 port doing? ;) |
| 12:12:59 | wodz | HD300 has gone... |
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| 12:13:22 | pixelma | oh, didn't know that |
| 12:14:43 | wodz | There is no 1.8V on Vcore rail and this is not DC-DC converter fault as I replaced the chip. I am afraid that mcf5249 has died |
| 12:16:07 | wodz | I am going to document my findings as well as do some reverse engineering of the tourch module but thats all I can do unless I find another unit in working condition |
| 12:24:53 | wodz | If rockchip port will be sucessfull there will be nice playground for our codec guys as this SoC contains interesting DSP core for which there is some documentation available |
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| 12:45:37 | gevaerts | S_a_i_n_t: "of course, it's all GPL licensed" is wrong about themes :) |
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| 12:49:46 | Zagor | wodz: do you have or expect to get any docs for the RK2706? |
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| 12:54:30 | wodz | Zagor: I have some documentation as well as some source for generic firmware |
| 12:57:43 | wodz | Zagor: The problem is I don't know ARMs at all so this will take me some time to get familiar with all this |
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| 13:23:55 | Zagor | wodz: can you share it? |
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| 13:32:05 | wodz | Zagor: I don't think it is a good idea to put it somewhere on rb site. This documents leaked from manufacturer and are floating in net but all are labeled confidential etc. |
| 13:32:32 | Zagor | ok |
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| 13:39:28 | mrcool | hi |
| 13:39:58 | mrcool | how does rockbox compare to samsungs dnse and cowons bbe? |
| 13:41:13 | AlexP | I have no idea what they are |
| 13:42:10 | mrcool | sound enhancements from their players |
| 13:42:20 | AlexP | "enahancements" |
| 13:42:36 | AlexP | We have a full five band parametric equaliser, crosefeed, etc. etC. |
| 13:42:45 | AlexP | You can tweak it exactly as you want |
| 13:43:21 | mrcool | ok but why do people rockbox their players |
| 13:43:33 | AlexP | As it adds so much more |
| 13:43:33 | mrcool | because i see you can rockbox lots of cowon players there |
| 13:43:45 | mrcool | but cowon has a very good rep for its sq |
| 13:43:49 | mrcool | so if u rockbox it |
| 13:43:53 | AlexP | and that doesn't change |
| 13:43:57 | AlexP | Also, real words please |
| 13:43:58 | mrcool | does that mean cowon loses its own eq and bbe |
| 13:44:10 | mrcool | the sound quality doesnt change? |
| 13:44:13 | AlexP | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox |
| 13:44:25 | AlexP | Sound quality is down to the hardware |
| 13:44:46 | mrcool | yes but cowon has this thing called BBE |
| 13:44:57 | mrcool | will rockbox get rid of my BBE? |
| 13:45:01 | AlexP | yes |
| 13:46:18 | linuxstb | mrcool: Rockbox is easily uninstalled - try it, and if you don't like it, just remove it. The Rockbox manual has both install and uninstall instructions. |
| 13:47:04 | linuxstb | Sound processing effects like BBE is just personal taste. |
| 13:47:31 | JdGordon | am I imagining it or was there a theme site development VM? |
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| 16:15:54 | |MB| | i mjst have missed something, but I cannot seem to get windows to detect my rockboxed clip+, and i looked in the manual but i dont see anythign about it |
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| 16:26:16 | evilnick_B | |MB|: What happens when you plug the clip+ in? |
| 16:31:19 | |MB| | nothing |
| 16:31:27 | |MB| | its not detected |
| 16:31:39 | |MB| | ofc i can boot into og firmware and put files on then |
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| 16:34:39 | |MB| | looks liek it |
| 16:34:47 | |MB| | just reading about it |
| 16:35:01 | |MB| | Clip+/Clipv2/Fuzev2: USB support is currently disabled because it fails randomly. |
| 16:35:06 | |MB| | from port status |
| 16:35:25 | |MB| | guess ill have to boot into the orig fw then if i want to put music on |
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| 17:10:12 | alexbobP | |MB|: btw it should automatically boot original firmware if you plug it into usb while it's turned off |
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| 17:54:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Ping |
| 17:54:20 | * | gevaerts jumps |
| 17:54:25 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: gnip |
| 17:55:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Regarding the SA9200 bootloader discussion on the forum... any thoughts? |
| 17:55:34 | gevaerts | You mean other than I wrote there? |
| 17:55:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes. |
| 17:55:53 | gevaerts | no. I don't know the thing at all really |
| 17:56:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm sure that dual-booting on the SA9x00 is possible. lowlight didn't seem to do any work on that front, however. |
| 17:56:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | But the bigger problem is the messy install method on the wiki. |
| 17:57:30 | gevaerts | Enable USB in the bootloader and you only need to go to recovery mode once |
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| 17:58:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Does b0hoon ever come onto IRC? He's about the only other guy that has any knowledge of the GoGear devices. |
| 17:58:10 | gevaerts | He does, yes |
| 17:58:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: I'll try out enabling USB in the bootloader then. |
| 17:58:44 | gevaerts | I think we need bootloader USB on any device that doesn't have in-ROM USB or an always working OF |
| 17:59:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: What about for MTP-only devices? |
| 17:59:35 | gevaerts | s/OF/OF with MSC/ :) |
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| 18:02:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: It looks like b0hoon may have an idea for getting dual-boot enabled on the HDD63x0, although to be honest, I don't see any real need for dual-booting on the GoGears. USB works very well from within Rockbox on these devices. |
| 18:03:05 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 18:03:13 | gevaerts | So all you need is bootloader USB |
| 18:03:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yup, and from there, installation should be a snap. |
| 18:03:31 | gevaerts | Does it use the standard PP bootloader? |
| 18:03:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: It's mi4 based, if that's what you're asking. |
| 18:04:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | The installation instructions are similar to the H10 and PB Vibe instructions. |
| 18:04:24 | gevaerts | I mean, does it use main-pp.c |
| 18:04:31 | gevaerts | Apparently it does |
| 18:06:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yes, and the SA9200 and HDD1630 appear to have dual-boot functionality defined in main-pp.c already. |
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| 18:07:49 | gevaerts | I guess you'll have to start by adding enable_irq() and enable_fiq() to main_pp.c |
| 18:08:07 | gevaerts | And I suspect we want this on all PP players eventually |
| 18:09:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: And bootloader USB? |
| 18:09:19 | gevaerts | that's next, obviously :) |
| 18:09:28 | n1s | the beast has bootloader usb, maybe you can steal something from it |
| 18:10:12 | gevaerts | Then you unravel the #ifdef in usb.c |
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| 18:11:01 | Torne | the beast's bootloader usb triggers if there's a usb cable plugged in at boot, right? |
| 18:11:07 | Torne | preventing rockbox from loading? |
| 18:11:09 | n1s | yep |
| 18:11:13 | Torne | That's kinda annoying. :) |
| 18:11:17 | Torne | can we do better? |
| 18:11:21 | gevaerts | maybe |
| 18:11:25 | n1s | i like it |
| 18:11:26 | Torne | because people rarely update the bootloader, so they won't be using the latest usb code in that case |
| 18:11:33 | Torne | most of the time it'd be better to boot rockbox first |
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| 18:11:40 | gevaerts | I agree |
| 18:11:42 | Torne | and only use bootlaoder usb if the rockbox binary is missing |
| 18:11:46 | Torne | or maybe on some button press? |
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| 18:12:06 | Torne | on ipods, currently the bootloader ignores USB unless the binary is missing or checksum bad |
| 18:12:09 | n1s | on the beast that is good since usb in the bootloader works nicely while the usb in rockbox kills the backlight untill next boot for some reason :) |
| 18:12:19 | gevaerts | I have a similar problem with the gigabeat F flashed bootloader actually. It powers on to charge, but stays in the bootloader |
| 18:12:20 | Torne | and then if the usb cable is inserted on the error screen, it boots the in-rom disk mode |
| 18:12:29 | gevaerts | Which is no fun with car adapter mode |
| 18:12:33 | Torne | that works fairly well for the ipod.. |
| 18:12:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: It's also good to have the bootloader USB mode on the Beast because it also allows one to update builds easily. |
| 18:12:55 | gevaerts | A button for USB seems reasonable |
| 18:13:27 | Torne | n1s: well that's a bug, thoguh, we should just fix it :) |
| 18:13:33 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: yes, updates without rolo are easy and fast, h300 does the same |
| 18:13:51 | Torne | i'm not sure how it's any easier to update builds in the bootloader.. |
| 18:14:14 | n1s | player is off, plug it in, unzip build, umount and uplug |
| 18:14:20 | gevaerts | Bootloader USB is essential on the beast for the same reason as on the SA9200 |
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| 18:14:46 | n1s | gevaerts: yes but it could still detect an installed rockbox and ignore usb |
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| 18:15:01 | Torne | i'm saying we should probably just have bootloader usb on every target, but not invoke it automatically unless the binary for rockbox is unbootable |
| 18:15:11 | Torne | except maybe ipods where rebooting to rom disk mode is probably better |
| 18:15:15 | gevaerts | or unless a button is held |
| 18:15:18 | Torne | yeah |
| 18:15:39 | Torne | on the subject of button holding, maybe now 3.7 is branched we should discuss removing the hold switch as the dualboot/reset-settings button on ipod ;) |
| 18:15:47 | Torne | because that's really limiting.. |
| 18:15:53 | Strife89TX | LambdaCalculus37: I spotted the Flyspray comment. I *will* try to update the theme when I get the chance, but I need to relearn the syntax. :/ |
| 18:16:20 | Torne | hold switch is fine on targets where it's impossible to turn the player on when hold is enabled |
| 18:16:24 | n1s | Torne: i suggest taking that to the Mailing List |
| 18:16:26 | Torne | but ipods boot on external power or on RTC |
| 18:16:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89TX: No worries. |
| 18:16:41 | Torne | i'd like to migrate over a reasonable period away from using the hold switch for both those things |
| 18:16:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89TX: We need to get some kinks ironed out of the port while we're at it. |
| 18:16:58 | Torne | so that you can just boot rockbox normally with hold turned on. |
| 18:17:07 | Torne | n1s: yeah, probably. |
| 18:17:08 | n1s | i *hate* having hold as dualboot switch on the beast too since you need a paperclip or similar to escape the OF |
| 18:17:37 | n1s | but on the beast i think reading the real buttons is a bit involved for a bootloader |
| 18:17:37 | Torne | one minor issue with the ipod is there aren't a lot of buttons to use for reset-settings which won't get hit by accident ;) |
| 18:17:57 | Torne | n1s: there are plenty of targets that have a fairly complex button driver linked into the bootloader |
| 18:18:11 | Strife89TX | What IS the reset-settings combo on the iPods. |
| 18:18:13 | Strife89TX | ? |
| 18:18:16 | Torne | Strife89TX: hold being turned on |
| 18:18:28 | Torne | i.e. you have to boot with hold off, then turn it on *after* the bootloader decides to load rockbox |
| 18:18:39 | Strife89TX | Ah. |
| 18:18:42 | Strife89TX | Small window. |
| 18:18:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89TX: Hold turned on immediately before Rockbox starts (usually when the backlight turns on initially). |
| 18:18:46 | Torne | this is a huge barrier to having ipods whihc *don't* dual boot |
| 18:18:47 | n1s | Torne: hmm, maybe that should be changed then, but otoh i should install a single boot bootloader instead |
| 18:19:00 | Torne | n1s: single boot bootloaders don't always work, thoguh |
| 18:19:07 | n1s | indeed |
| 18:19:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I really want to get another GoGear HDD6330 to get some more stuff done on the power. Would it be possible for the Rockbox fund to buy one for me? |
| 18:19:25 | Torne | if you install rockbox on the ipod without the bootloader, for a faster boot time, then rather than booting with hold accidentally booting the OF, it accidentally erases your settings instead |
| 18:19:29 | Torne | which is kinda annoying |
| 18:19:32 | Torne | :) |
| 18:19:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | I sent mine off to lowlight, and it was originally toffe's. |
| 18:19:47 | Torne | unfortunately just about every reasonable combination of buttons on te ipod already *does* something at boot time on the ipod.. |
| 18:19:55 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: i don't see why not |
| 18:20:16 | Torne | menu boots the OF, select powers on normally, rewind boots diag mode if yo uhold it with select, play boots disk mode if you hold it with select, or ipodlinux if you don't, and fastforward turns on bootloader verbose messages :) |
| 18:20:21 | Strife89TX | Torne: Select + Right(Forward) |
| 18:20:30 | Torne | so that's basically every reasonable set of buttons already doing something either in apple's rom or in our bootloader |
| 18:20:38 | Strife89TX | Ah. |
| 18:20:43 | Torne | Strife89TX: ffwd on its own is already the "verbose bootloader" button |
| 18:20:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Once I get keymaps for plugins done and enabled, the HDD6330 will be much closer to Unstable status. |
| 18:21:02 | Strife89TX | Torne: I hit ENter too late. |
| 18:21:26 | Torne | yeah :) |
| 18:21:37 | Torne | so yeah, technically rewind on its own, or sel+ffwd, is not used |
| 18:21:56 | Torne | but it's kinda important to minimise the chance of it being hit by accident |
| 18:22:02 | Strife89TX | Indeed. |
| 18:22:05 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: i'm all for it especially since it's one of the less common targets so more people around here having it is better |
| 18:22:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: :) |
| 18:22:22 | Torne | Hm, is it possible to press menu+play, or ffwd+rew at once, on the older targets with a physical rotating wheel/ |
| 18:22:30 | Torne | it appears to be possible on the touchwheel ipods |
| 18:22:37 | Torne | dunno if it can read it in software but you can physically do it |
| 18:22:43 | n1s | Torne: don't think so on the mechanical wheel ones |
| 18:22:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Plus, I've been away from any active development work for WAY, WAY too long! |
| 18:22:50 | Torne | n1s: right, i suspected probably not |
| 18:23:27 | n1s | Torne: amiconn probably knows for sure (and has probably mentioned something about it in here sometime :)) |
| 18:23:39 | Torne | well, i'll ponder it and write something on the list |
| 18:25:04 | * | LambdaCalculus37 makes a mental note to go to his storage and find his SA9200 |
| 18:26:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Who should I speak to about getting the funding to buy another HDD6330 off of eBay? |
| 18:26:22 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: Zagor is the fund manager |
| 18:26:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Guess I've got to wait till he comes back online. |
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| 18:29:30 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will be back online in a couple of minutes; going to switch to a proper IRC client |
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| 18:34:30 | pixelma | Strife89TX: there is an updater tool (in the source) for the new theme syntax (and someone may build a linux binary or whatever you need for you). One thing you have to do manually is putting the progressbar in some viewport if you have it in the default one currently |
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| 18:38:53 | Strife89TX | pixelma: Sounds good. I'd like to talk about it later if that's okay. |
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| 19:01:03 | CIA-107 | New commit by rmenes (r28315): The c200's blind description also applies to the c200 ... |
| 19:02:56 | CIA-107 | r28315 build result: All green |
| 19:04:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yay, managed to keep it green. :) |
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| 19:18:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ack, UI sim for HDD6330 doesn't build; there's no definitions in sim-ui-defines.h |
| 19:19:17 | * | LambdaCalculus37 adds in some defines for now just to get it to build |
| 19:23:46 | amiconn | Torne: On the old non-clickwheel ipods (1st..3rd Gen, i.e. scrollwheel and touchwheel) there are no mechanical or electrical constraints for pressing multiple buttons at once |
| 19:23:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Getting errors when building the HDD6330 UI sim: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/9Yh6ZCAX |
| 19:24:19 | amiconn | On these ipods apple put hard reset on Menu+Play and diskmode on Left+Right |
| 19:25:02 | Torne | ahp, hmm |
| 19:25:19 | amiconn | They changed it later for the clickwheel. While it may be possible to press opposite directions on clickwheel as well, it's at least (mechanically) hard to do so. |
| 19:25:41 | amiconn | That's probably why they moved reset to Select+Play and diskmode to Select+Menu |
| 19:26:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll be back on again in a bit. Can someone advise me about the errors I'm getting? |
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| 19:48:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | The error is pointing to apps/plugin.h:44, but this is all that the line in question contains: char* strncpy(char *, const char *, size_t); |
| 19:49:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | And I know I didn't make any changes to my local copy of this file; mine's still a vanilla SVN copy. |
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| 19:50:22 | n1s | LambdaCalculus37: i'd guess something gets messed up in some preprocessor condition in a header file which messes up the resulting code |
| 19:52:04 | n1s | if you compile with make V=1 you can see the exact command line used to build that file, running that manually for the affected file and adding the -i switch gives you back the preprocessed soure with should have the clues you neeed |
| 19:52:37 | n1s | s/with should/which should/ |
| 19:52:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: I'll try that when I get another chance to pull out my Mac. |
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| 20:09:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: lowlight still has the HDD6330 and is sending it back to me once he finds it again. :) |
| 20:09:22 | * | LambdaCalculus37 should still get an extra one though |
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| 20:11:10 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: ok, quit it to finish the port, then send it back or buy it ;) |
| 20:11:22 | toffe82 | quit > keep |
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| 20:13:28 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: do you still have the dock ? and the remote ? |
| 20:13:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: I think I gave those to lowlight along with the HDD6330. |
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| 21:28:26 | wodz | pixelma: ping |
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| 21:33:14 | b0hoon | gevaerts: HDD6330 has in-ROM USB (standard UMS/MTP mode in the original bootloader), there is no need to enable USB in the Rockbox bootloader |
| 21:33:25 | pixelma | wodz: pong |
| 21:34:59 | gevaerts | b0hoon: I thought that was about the SA9x00? |
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| 21:36:08 | b0hoon | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20101020#17:58:44 |
| 21:36:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Do you know how to access UMS mode on the HDD6330? I've never been able to find anything of the sort. |
| 21:36:45 | b0hoon | gevaerts: i'm just saying there is no need for this target |
| 21:36:49 | wodz | pixelma: I don't understand what you mean by 'aspect correction' in your FS comment. I converted Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.png to bmp and both versions look the same for me |
| 21:37:05 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes, it is described as service mode - method 1 |
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| 21:37:54 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: however it should be described as "UMS mode" |
| 21:38:00 | b0hoon | on the Wiki |
| 21:38:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Looks like that'll have to be our official install method, then. |
| 21:38:22 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes of course, just like in case of other PPs |
| 21:38:47 | b0hoon | the same for HDD1630 |
| 21:38:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Well, to the best of my knowledge, it's closest to the H10 install method. |
| 21:39:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't have the YH-92x or YH-820 players, or a Vibe500. |
| 21:39:49 | b0hoon | SA9200 may be tricky, gevaerts is right that it is rather recovery mode (forum) |
| 21:40:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: You don't have an SA9x00, do you? |
| 21:40:19 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: the method for the Vibe is the same |
| 21:40:54 | pixelma | wodz: yes, in a sim. The bitmap Archoses' display doesn't have square pixels - their width is only 80% of their height. For the bmp viewer and also pictureflow (maybe other plugins) Rockbox adds a factor to the width (or height) so that the picture looks correctly on the screen (the dimensions are not the same in number of pixels anymore) |
| 21:41:13 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: no unfortunately not and my HDD6330 is broken partially |
| 21:42:01 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: most of the PPs (with the HDD) has the UMS mode triggered in some way |
| 21:42:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I have an SA9200 in storage. It should still be working. My HDD1630 doesn't work, and the HDD6330 I had is with lowlight currently. |
| 21:43:15 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i found out how to run the OF on HDD6330 today, through the "code of death" :P |
| 21:43:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Is there anything else we really need to do with the HDD6330 port, besides the plugin keymaps and enabling them? |
| 21:44:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 really just wants to get the damn port pushed to "Unstable" already |
| 21:44:11 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes, i must commit fix for the dual boot |
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| 21:44:41 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: there is no lcd blit functions in the lcd driver so mpeg player will not work |
| 21:45:00 | guest123 | Hey rockbox devs where can I send you a used Sansa Fuze V2 |
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| 21:45:17 | wodz | pixelma: do you know where this aspect correction is defined? |
| 21:45:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: We can disable mpegplayer temporarily. |
| 21:45:43 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yep, of course |
| 21:46:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Unless you know how to get the LCD blit functions into the driver. ;) |
| 21:46:46 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: battery reading is from the hdd1630 IIRC, so it's not appropriate at all |
| 21:47:27 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: no, i'm afraid |
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| 21:47:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I haven't nary a clue of how to get the LCD blit functions into the driver myself. |
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| 21:48:31 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: the main problem is we don't know what kind of controller it has |
| 21:48:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is the battery reading bad enough to cause any major issues? Aside from significantly shorter battery life, that is. |
| 21:49:14 | AlexP | guest123: Probably best to post on the -dev list saying where you are, where you can send it, etc. etc. |
| 21:49:18 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i don't know because my target has this part broken |
| 21:49:33 | AlexP | guest123: And then see if anyone nearby takes you up on it :) |
| 21:49:49 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: it even doesn't want to turn on without the charger or USB |
| 21:50:02 | bertrik | b0hoon, do you have an OF binary to find LCD routines in? |
| 21:50:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I can try with the one lowlight has once he sends it back to me. |
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| 21:52:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Look at the SA9200 thread on the forums; lowlight just posted a rather interesting patch that allows a bootloader install on the SA9200 with sendfirm. |
| 21:52:57 | b0hoon | bertrik: i have looked at it but i wasn't able to find it, there is no power saving routines for sure in the OF (well maybe almost sure) like in case of Vibe |
| 21:53:29 | pixelma | wodz: not exactly. There are LCD_PIXEL_ASPECT_HEIGHT and *_HEIGHT defined in the targets config files which will later be used in some plugins (bmp viewer, pictureflow). There is also something in recorder/resize.c but I can't tell you what bits are important and what would be the right thing |
| 21:54:39 | bertrik | b0hoon, I won't mind looking through a firmware file to see if I can find any LCD code |
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| 21:55:26 | b0hoon | bertrik: great |
| 21:55:42 | bertrik | DAC/PCM should stay enabled after calling audiohw_set_monitor(true), right? |
| 21:55:49 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: ok, i will look at it |
| 21:55:55 | wodz | pixelma: I just found the same |
| 21:56:40 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i think that lowlight has the most priceless knowledge about the PPs |
| 21:56:51 | pixelma | wodz: hmm, can it be that a hwcodec sim doesn't build with the MAS patch? |
| 21:57:02 | pixelma | thought you fixed it :) |
| 21:57:20 | wodz | pixelma: I didn't uploaded FS |
| 21:57:33 | pixelma | ah |
| 21:57:35 | bertrik | b0hoon, do you have a file for me to look at? |
| 21:57:41 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: about dissasembling i mean, i'm not so good at it |
| 21:58:09 | wodz | pixelma: It is easy fix - in firmware/SOURCES move archos-sound.c (or how it is called) to be compiled in sim build also |
| 21:58:55 | * | LambdaCalculus37 has to go now |
| 21:59:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I'll try to get onto IRC again later. |
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| 21:59:40 | b0hoon | bertrik: i can send you it on email or you can download it from the site |
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| 22:00:42 | b0hoon | bertrik: http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=HDD6320/05&scy=gb&slg=en |
| 22:01:32 | b0hoon | bertrik: "Firmware Upgrade Software" |
| 22:02:09 | pixelma | wodz: target/sh/archos/audio-archos.c ? |
| 22:02:17 | wodz | pixelma: Comming back to aspect correction - for downscaled versions of the image this is easy to implement. The problem arises for scale=1. |
| 22:02:21 | wodz | pixelma: yes |
| 22:02:37 | bertrik | b0hoon, ok thanks |
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| 22:05:01 | pixelma | wodz: the bmp viewer seems to do something at the beginning. It loads the 200x200 test image as 200x160 (and I expect it to do something similar with a 50x50 image which would fit on the display without scaling), guess it always "scales2 |
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| 22:05:59 | wodz | pixelma: yes - there is routine scaled_read_bmp_fd() which do the trick |
| 22:07:01 | confuseling | Hi all - I noticed there was some discussion about Clip+ keymaps. Just to make anyone who's interested aware, I wrote a patch for a keymap, fs 11605 |
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| 22:08:13 | confuseling | I noticed a couple of days ago that it has a problem with the 'short power' exiting twice from some plugins. I'll try to fix that tonight. |
| 22:08:58 | confuseling | Would be grateful for testers though - I think even if you don't want to commit it entirely, some of it may be useful - for example, the prior keymap for the radio was pretty messy. |
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| 22:28:53 | pixelma | wodz: my OndioFM sim still doesn't compile, I moved the mentioned file below the "#endif /* SIMULATOR */" inside the OndioSP and OndioFM specific part |
| 22:29:18 | pixelma | the error message is the same as before |
| 22:29:53 | wodz | let me check |
| 22:33:34 | wodz | pixelma: yes something is still wrong |
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| 22:34:42 | pixelma | btw. I also tested voice in the meantime with the patch on the Ondio and it works ok |
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| 22:45:46 | wodz | pixelma: When I figure out why this doesn't compile I'll post updated patch to FS. Thank You again for extensive testing |
| 22:46:41 | pixelma | you're welcome. I also agree with AlexP about the two versions of the patches in case of the imageviewer :) |
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| 22:56:06 | EvanCarroll | I'm running last nights SVN on Sansa AMS (e200 v2), since the update (from a very old version 3+ months) I now here a popping in the left channel when playing mp3s |
| 22:56:18 | EvanCarroll | is this a known issue? I don't see a mention on the wiki |
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| 23:01:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Ping |
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| 23:04:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: (for the logs) Regarding the error I had earlier: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20101020#19:23:59 |
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| 23:05:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Here's what I get when I use V=1 with make: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/APLS28dZ |
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| 23:06:26 | wodz | pixelma: I sorted out the problem with Ondio sim. I'll post updated patch tomorrow I hope |
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| 23:07:48 | pixelma | I'll have an eye on it |
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| 23:11:54 | grawity | What does Rockbox use for ReplayGain tags −− RVA2 or foobar2000's TXXX? |
| 23:13:07 | gevaerts | Both I think |
| 23:13:53 | grawity | Good |
| 23:15:08 | bertrik | EvanCarroll, svn revision 28000 is a bit suspicious. If you have the tools, you could revert that and see if it helps |
| 23:15:42 | bertrik | I could create a test-build for you |
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| 23:23:51 | EvanCarroll | If you want/can do that I'll be happy to giv eit a shot, I highly doubt such an obvious bug was missed, but in the event it was I wanted to be sure I brought light on it |
| 23:24:03 | EvanCarroll | everything was working fine, I think I was running the last stable release. |
| 23:24:18 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: It is only for very few people (if it is the same bug) |
| 23:24:30 | AlexP | And none of the devs with the same players experience it |
| 23:24:32 | EvanCarroll | I had some usb corruption, or faulty playback in a few areas, (so minor it never really bothered me), big transfers via usb were out of the question |
| 23:24:40 | EvanCarroll | but everything else was working absolutly great. |
| 23:25:03 | EvanCarroll | is there a flyswat thing for it? |
| 23:25:15 | AlexP | flyspray, and yes |
| 23:25:34 | EvanCarroll | cool, drop link and build, I'll give it shot if you've got binary and get back to you tomorrow |
| 23:25:38 | bertrik | AlexP, svn r28000 was the suspect, right? |
| 23:26:29 | AlexP | I don't know which off the top of my head, but recent, and r28000 was the revision |
| 23:26:34 | AlexP | bertrik: yep |
| 23:28:04 | pixelma | flyspray #11608 |
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| 23:33:55 | bertrik | EvanCarroll, I'm building a patched e200v2 build now, I'll post a link in a few minutes |
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| 23:37:43 | EvanCarroll | bertrik++ # nifty |
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| 23:42:47 | bertrik | EvanCarroll, http://filebin.ca/vegmuj/rockbox.zip |
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| 23:53:48 | dfkt | i've assigned balance to the left and right buttons of the quick menu (clip+, x5). changes to the balance only take effect when the quickmenu is closed (returning to WPS), while other sound tweaks like crossfeed or eq on/off are immediately executed. i wouldn't call that a bug, just wanted to ask if that balance behavior could be made 'realtime' as well. |
| 23:54:11 | dfkt | seems to be a special case, since it uses two buttons of the quickmenu, while all other functions only use one. |
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