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#rockbox log for 2010-10-21

00:04:53S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: I've had a nosey at liar's new LCD sleep patch, which doesn't have the annoying fullscreen white flash on LCD init anymore...but I was rather amazed that it adds a full 10Kb to the bootloader, was wondering if you could have a look at it and see whether or not you think it could be condensed at all.
00:05:31S_a_i_n_tMaybe it's perfectly normal, but, for what it does...compared to the total size of the rest of the bootloader it seemed to be a hell of a jump to me.
00:05:45S_a_i_n_tIt works fine though, tested on typre 1 and 7 LCD
00:05:55S_a_i_n_t*errr, type, rather
00:07:46EvanCarrollbertrik: cool deal, got it on there now, I'll get back to you with status tomorrow
00:08:09bertrikI hope it helps
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00:09:40EvanCarrollbertrik: I think it worked.
00:09:46EvanCarrollNo pops thus far
00:09:54EvanCarrollit was pretty bad, in fact I played the same track
00:09:58EvanCarrollbertrik++ # success
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00:37:10EvanCarrollstill working reat.
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01:05:11confuselingRe: previous comments concerning Clip+ keymap - I actually meant the recording screen keymap was a bit haywire. The radio was fine...
01:08:58confuselingAnyway, an update seems to have cured the oddness going on with 'short power', so I'd say provisionally the patch (#11605) is ready for testing. I don't read irc that often, so if you have any comments/suggestions please send them there. Thanks, and good luck with the new release.
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01:12:06confuseling(also should work for the Clip, hopefully...)
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02:12:31[Saint]JdGordon: Is there any chance that USB screen will get userfonts back in the future?
02:12:36[Saint]errr..near future?
02:12:45[Saint]My .sbs looks like *ASS* with userfont :-/
02:12:59[Saint]And, everyone elses I suspect.
02:13:04JdGordon|IIRC we worked out how to do it, just needs someone to go ahead and make the needed changes
02:13:17JdGordon|go learn to code :D
02:13:48[Saint]Ahhh...right. I could fix it with a bitmap (and, lose translation though..but "meh") if %cs had a USB screen section.
02:14:13[Saint]And, I *can* code...but, hardly at a level to be useful for more than the odd fuckup I notice from time to time.
02:14:43[Saint]And, most of those get noticed and fixed in the course of me fixing them up on my end.
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02:15:23JdGordon|I'm not sure we really want to be hitting the disk just before usb anyway
02:15:30JdGordon|to do a big font load
02:15:55[Saint]Yeah, I'd considered that...but, if the font was already loaded would it make a difference?
02:16:28[Saint]That was one of the reasons I'd thought about doing it "on the cheap" with a bitmap though.
02:16:40[Saint]But there's no USB screen conditional to set it off.
02:19:03JdGordon|that can be added
02:19:24JdGordon|the problem is we have to make sure the entire font is in RAM, which means dumping and loading the full thing every time
02:19:36JdGordon|and then unloading and reloading the small version on exit
02:19:37[Saint]That'd be nice.
02:19:42[Saint](USB screen condition)
02:19:57[Saint]I assume it would be added to %cs to save a whole other tag just for that, though.
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03:16:29fuzzybunny69yHey everyone! Would it be possible to use Ipodlinux plugins with rockbox? Someone has made an RSVP reader(speed reader) for it that I would like to be able to use with Rockbox. Does anyone know if this is possible?
03:16:48[Saint]IPL is IPL, Rockbox is Rockbox
03:16:58[Saint]two different creatures.
03:17:19JdGordon|is ipl still being developed?
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03:17:32[Saint]Not since *ages* ago
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03:28:00fuzzybunny69yoh ok
03:28:25fuzzybunny69ythat is a shame a RSVP reader would work really well on my ipod since the screen is so small
03:29:45krazykitfuzzybunny69y, you could port it.
03:30:46fuzzybunny69ykrazykit, I would love to do that if I could program ;)
03:32:57fuzzybunny69ywhat is rockbox even programmed in?
03:33:46fuzzybunny69yoh cool
03:34:40fuzzybunny69ykrazykit, do you know how to program in C?
03:37:11fuzzybunny69yok guys thanks for your help
03:37:15fuzzybunny69yRockbox is lovely
03:37:23fuzzybunny69ytake care and I love you all
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04:45:12CIA-107New commit by rmenes (r28316): Add plugin keymaps to fft for the GoGear SA9200. ...
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04:47:09CIA-107r28316 build result: All green
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04:59:07JdGordon|scorche: do you know anything about a dev vm for the theme site?
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06:02:46scorcheJdGordon|: what do you mean?
06:04:15JdGordon|I thought i remembered somene making a vm with the theme site to make it easier for people to play with
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06:12:34JdGordon|why does pictureflow use a dark background on the grey targets!?
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06:18:49belakWhat does the fact that rockbox is "branched for 3.7" mean?
06:19:08JdGordon|it means a 3.7 release is any day now
06:19:14JdGordon|or next week sometime
06:19:30belakok. :)
06:19:48belakI can't wait. :P
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07:05:03TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: hm, the bootloader doesn't really need LCD sleep, does it?
07:05:31S_a_i_n_tPass...depends on how it's implemented I guess.
07:06:45TheSevenand 10KB is indeed a bit bloaty. norloader/embios loader also has the full lcd init code, but implemented in a size-optimized way. as the whole loader is only <3KB, the LCD init code is probably like 1KB
07:07:25S_a_i_n_tThere's nothing in the patch that touches the bootloader from what I can see at a quick glance, I just noticed that a build with the LCD sleep patch ended up with a bootloader ~10Kb larger than SVN
07:07:58TheSeventhe bootloader uses the same lcd driver as the main binary
07:08:15S_a_i_n_tAh, right.
07:08:17TheSevenso the sleep stuff would need to be "#ifndef BOOTLOADER"ed
07:09:48S_a_i_n_tIn case it isn't on the tracker (haven't actually looked), or just to save time if you wanted a look, it's here:
07:10:51S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: By the way, I realise how noob-ish this sounds from a man with so many Nano2Gs, but...what is the correct syntax to pass a bootloader (encrypted of course) to the device via iPodPatcher?
07:11:39TheSevena rockbox bootloader? should be ipodpatcher -a bootloader.ipodx
07:12:08S_a_i_n_tRB, yes. And, thanks.
07:12:19TheSevenhm, why did he duplicate all the lcd access functions with asm versions?
07:12:36S_a_i_n_tNot sure.
07:13:03TheSevenand the bloat is coming from void lcd_wakeup(void) for sure
07:13:25TheSeventhis would be a lot more efficient if implemented as a command table along with a function walking through it and processing it
07:13:32S_a_i_n_tyeah, that chunk is huge.
07:13:35TheSevenit's also lacking the init sequence for one of the LCD types
07:13:43S_a_i_n_tI've no idea how it could be done better, however.
07:14:19S_a_i_n_tI've tested it on type 1 and 7 LCD types as I'm lucky enough to have Nano2Gs with both...and it works as expected on both.
07:14:56TheSeventhere are at least three types of lcds, but rockbox only cares about two of them, because type 3 and 7 use the same command set once they're up and running. they have different init sequences though
07:15:10TheSeventype 1?
07:15:22TheSeveni only know of types 2, 3 and 7
07:16:11TheSevenrockbox is using a totally different numbering though
07:16:18TheSevenwhat are your diagmode lcd_detect values?
07:16:33S_a_i_n_tSorry, typo...."type 2", rather
07:16:46TheSeventype 2 and 7 are the implemented ones
07:17:07TheSeventype 3 is the missing one. those devices seem to be rare, but there definitely are some.
07:18:10S_a_i_n_twell, I've got 6 Nano2Gs presently...and over time I have had ~12 pass through my hands and never seen a type 3 LCD'd Nano, so, they must be fairly rare.
07:18:27S_a_i_n_tI've also RB's several friends Nano2Gs and not seen it there either.
07:18:40S_a_i_n_tI was under the impression there was only types 2 and 7.
07:20:24S_a_i_n_tIs there anyone present at the moment with a Rockboxed device that supports LCD sleep?
07:21:01JdGordon|e200 does lcd sleep i think
07:21:01S_a_i_n_tI am curious if it is supposed to wake the LCD for events like "next track change", etc. as (to me) it seems rathe rpointless to do so.
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07:21:11S_a_i_n_tAh, ok...well ^
07:21:39JdGordon|that should only happen if caption backlight is enabled
07:21:48JdGordon|I cant imagine why it owuld otherwise
07:22:20S_a_i_n_tThe recent (not in SVN however) Nano2G LCD sleep patch wakes the LCD for such events, I will try turning off caption backlight if I do indeed have it enabled and see if that's it.
07:27:34JdGordon|is it being stupid and turning on with unknown events?
07:27:46S_a_i_n_tAha! Thanks JdGordon...that was it.
07:28:06JdGordon|default: /* lets be stupid and turn on */
07:28:43S_a_i_n_tAt first I thought it wasn't, as simply disabling caption backlight had no effect, but it turns out I just needed to disable caption backlight and reset the DAP.
07:28:50S_a_i_n_tThanks for that, it was annoying me.
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07:34:04JdGordon|ah, hehe silly bugger
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07:39:39*S_a_i_n_t "w00t!"s for the "32MB Fuze Guy"
07:40:28S_a_i_n_tThat really is quite an epic mod, and here was I thinking I was "Mr. Smartass" because I managed to successfully de-mount and re-solder a NAND chip on a Nano2G mainboard.
07:40:37ChrononI posted a new patch at FS #11522. It reads new rule sets from RLE, Life 1.05 and .L files. RLE-type files cause crashes in the simulator but behavior seems fine on my F40.
07:40:46S_a_i_n_tI guess I have been bested ;)
07:41:23JdGordon|Chronon: fix the crashes then :)
07:43:09ChrononJdGordon: I looked for the source of the crashes but I can't find what's wrong. The plugin seems to work just fine on target.
07:43:43JdGordon|run the sim in gdb
07:44:08JdGordon|we almost certainly wont accept a patch with known crashes
07:44:26Chrononok. I'll check it out.
07:53:11S_a_i_n_tCan somebody please have a look at committing FS #11682
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07:53:50S_a_i_n_tIt fixes the "disktidy doesn't delete custom files" thing, as well as makes wildcard handling a LOT better.
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07:59:02S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: ping?
08:03:09S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Could you please have a look at: System - Debug (Keep Out!) - View Disk Info and tell me if that is a bug or not?
08:04:06S_a_i_n_tOn my Nano2Gs it seems to list the same info ~5 times, as thought it is needlessly repeated...I have no idea why, seems like a bug to "poor 'ol uneducated me"
08:13:20TheSeveni already wondered about that one some time ago
08:13:23TheSevenno idea what causes it
08:13:51S_a_i_n_tSo, it *is* a bug then?
08:14:00S_a_i_n_tI suspected as much but wasn't sure.
08:14:50S_a_i_n_tBuschell has a Nano2G now, between the two of you you should be able to figure it out ;)
08:18:15S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Additionally, (sorry to bug you so much ;)) do you have any idea how the OP of: FS #11404 achieved "Modifying the source in such a way as to force those applications to use 44.1khz causes sound to work correctly"
08:18:34S_a_i_n_tWhat needs to be done to force output to 44.1Khz?
08:20:20TheSevenprobably just remove the other sampling rate entries from the PCM driver, but i'm not an expert on that area
08:21:12S_a_i_n_tAha, neither. I tried looking there to figure out why SVN has no keyclicks unless there's audio playback..but I draw a blank.
08:21:17S_a_i_n_tIt's all voodo to me.
08:21:36S_a_i_n_tDo you have keyclicks in the main menu (without playback)?
08:21:57S_a_i_n_tWith clean SVN I hear no keyclicks unless there's audio playback.
08:22:36TheSevenno idea, i'm using HW keyclicks anyway
08:22:47TheSevenbtw, it would be nice if that would be committed one day
08:23:35S_a_i_n_tIf you have a synced patch...I'd love it ;)
08:23:57S_a_i_n_tpreferably without all the garbage from the other PP ipods.
08:24:09S_a_i_n_tie. the "broken" ones.
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08:27:31TheSeveni'd really like to know *why* they are broken
08:27:47TheSevenwhy doesn't anybody bother to fix this? there are definitely enough people with PP ipods
08:27:54*TheSeven has to run now...
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09:47:52pacovilaHello all, just a note to say I uploaded a patch in FS #11692 which brings Spanish language to 100% translated, thanks
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09:48:50wodzZagor: ping
09:50:30wodzZagor: have You got my mails?
09:50:36Zagoryes, thank you
09:51:05wodzZagor: I found also some documentation for ZSP400 core - are You interested?
09:51:15Zagoralways! :-)
09:53:23wodzZagor: sent :-)
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09:54:15wodzthis one is public I think
09:55:02JdGordon|well it is now :p
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09:59:07TchnoHi, I am having issues locating my sansa fuze on the Rockbox utility program.
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09:59:58TchnoI have my player plugged in, but when I try to browse for it, it does not show up.
10:00:32JdGordon|are you running the utility as admin?
10:03:08TchnoIt shows my C-F drives, but none of those are supporting the player
10:03:23pixelmais your Fuze's USB mode set to UMS/MSC?
10:03:46TchnoI'm not sure, I'll check
10:04:44TchnoSwitched it to MSC, it was on auto detect
10:05:44TchnoOnce the program stops lagging out on my computer I'll let ya know how it worked
10:06:21wodzpixelma: I have 'proof of concept' idea how to implement aspect correction in png viewer. The downside will be additional time needed to rescale
10:07:14wodzare there any other DAPs with aspect correction defines besides Ondio?
10:07:58pixelmawell all bitmap Archoses have the same type of screens
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10:09:30wodzthis may need more memory for some types of images to decode
10:10:33pixelmaI believe the Iaudio remote (used as main screen on the M3) also has slightly rectangular pixels, not as noticable as on the Archoses though. I also don't know if this is taken care of anywhere else, so maybe the png viewer doesn't need to start with that
10:13:52wodzI think only bmp loader takes aspect into account
10:13:54TchnoThanks pixelma, the utility program detected it. If I install rockbox on it now, will it still be able to detect the music already on it or do I have to put everything on afterwards?
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10:16:29AlexPTchno: No, your fine
10:16:55TchnoAlrighty cool, thanks again.
10:17:09AlexPI don't know how the fuze deals with it, but if it sticks it in stupid folders then you might have to use the database
10:17:19AlexPDepends how you loaded it I think
10:17:36AlexPIf you want a nice folder structure and you don't already have it you might want to recopy
10:17:43wodzmpio hd200 has rectangular pixels as well, but I didn't know that there are some correction mechanisms implemented in rb. The screen is 128x128 and physical dimentions are WxH = 25x30 mm
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10:18:49TchnoWell, when I switch it to MSC I can't browse through the songs on the computer
10:21:56TchnoWould that present problems? Since I can only install it when it is on MSC
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10:31:52AlexPTchno: They are probably somewhere odd
10:32:12TchnoI can't find them in any of the folders.
10:32:14AlexPTchno: If you want to use the database, then try initialising it and see if it finds them
10:32:28AlexPTchno: They'll be hidden somewhere, they must be :)
10:32:48TchnoSo try installing it and see how it works out?
10:32:50AlexPIf the database doesn't find them, then clear them and copy them back on over MSC :)
10:32:54AlexPYeah, I would
10:33:40AlexPI've not used a fuse, so I don't know exactly what funny things it does when using MTP
10:34:38pixelmaTchno, AlexP: on other targets Rockbox won't find music copied over in MTP mode though because they get a different file extension. If the Fuze's MTP mode does the same then...
10:34:46AlexPah right
10:34:58AlexPTchno: OK, so you probably will have to recopy it
10:35:13pixelmadepends on how you put the music on there
10:35:16AlexPpixelma: You can tell I never use MTP :)
10:35:25TchnoAh bummer, that'll take a few hours.
10:35:51AlexPreally? What capacity?
10:36:09pixelmaMTP is sloowww...
10:36:20TchnoIt just takes a long time to copy the files back onto the computer, as I organized them on the mp3 player how I wanted them.
10:36:31TchnoThen copying them back isn't exactly speedy
10:36:39AlexPOh right, I was assuming a back up on the PC :)
10:36:52AlexPCopying them to it over MSC should be quick
10:37:19pixelmaI expect copying them back to be speedier than you experienced with MTP
10:37:32TchnoAlright that's good
10:37:47TchnoNevertheless, I'll just start the process then call it a night
10:37:47*AlexP no like MTP :)
10:38:01pixelmaAlexP: I just tried because I was interested in one of the few example songs that came with my c200 and wondered where it is and how to get it
10:38:02TchnoThanks for all the help, I'll probably be back tomorrow to finish this up
10:38:34AlexPpixelma: Yeah, I ought to try really
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11:44:57knittli have an .ogg file which crashes rockbox
11:45:03knittlcan i send that to you?
11:45:14knittl'data abort' or something like that is shown on the screen
11:46:25Stummiknittl, if this ogg does not contains any copyrightet content you could submit it via firespray
11:47:03knittlStummi: it does …
11:47:20n1sknittl: which player is it?
11:47:39knittlsansa e280v2
11:48:10n1sknittl: there's a bug causing that on some of those
11:48:11knittli can try truncating it to say 5 seconds and see if it still crashes
11:48:18knittlthen i can upload it
11:48:33n1stry with a rev before 28000
11:48:57knittlok, later
11:49:09knittlZagor: ping
11:49:33pixelmaI think bertrik's test build from yesterday was for an e200v2 with the changes in r28000 reverted
11:49:43knittlZagor: svn history got rewritten again ;)
11:49:48knittlbut this time i know how to fix it faster
11:50:05knittlrun `git svn reset 28200` and then `git svn rebase`
11:50:08knittlthat should fix it
11:50:27knittln1s: i think it happened before 28000 too
11:50:45Zagorknittl: in a working tree or in the naked repo?
11:50:47n1sknittl: please verufy that
11:50:56knittlZagor: in the git mirror
11:51:02knittln1s: i will, but i gotta go now
11:54:09Zagorknittl: done
11:54:42knittlthx :)
11:55:38knittli guess the rebase is not finished yet?
11:56:04Zagorit is
11:56:21knittlstrange. git fetch still pulls the wrong rev
11:56:40knittl`git rev-parse master remotes/git-svn` gives what output?
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12:43:11*pixelma wonders whether anyone looked at the dual boot for the Iaudios ever since there was the "right approach" patch posted
12:43:52pixelmaI was recently reminded that we already talked about it during DevCon 2008...
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13:33:53n1spixelma: was a "right approach" patch posted?
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14:21:40shuffle2is it possible to partition an ipod and still allow rockbox to access one of the partitions?
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14:22:00shuffle2or at the least, format the drive and still have it be reversible?
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14:22:19JdGordonrockbox will mount the first FAT partition
14:22:32shuffle2and the official fw?
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14:23:06shuffle2doesn't really matter, just curious :p
14:27:49JdGordonis the themesite in the rockbox git repo?
14:29:15shuffle2how about formatting of the FAT partition? does it need anything special done for it, or can i just go ahead and delete it, then make new FAT and ext partitions?
14:30:33kugelZagor: i can confirm that the git mirror is not yet fixed
14:32:51Tornethe OF does the same
14:33:02Tornedon't touch the patition in slot 1
14:33:08Torneit's the hidden firmware partition
14:33:55Torneyoiu can just delete partition 2, the fat partiton, then recreate it with the same start location and a shorter size
14:34:01Tornethen make a partition 3/4 in he gap
14:34:12Torneit just needs formatting as FAT32
14:34:22Tornethe ipod will recreate the files on it automatically
14:34:51kugelJdGordon: I think the git mirror has only trunk, but you can make your own clone from the entire repo (it'll only take ages)
14:35:01Zagorkugel: I don't know how to fix it
14:35:11kugelhow did you do it last time?
14:35:19shuffle2Torne: hum, gparted doesn't see the firmware partition as valid :/
14:35:30shuffle2so it absorbs it into the other partitions
14:35:46ZagorI got help
14:35:51JdGordonkugel: meh, svn will do... can you do me a d2+kinetic build?
14:36:06Torneshuffle2: yes, the firmware partition is of type "unused" :)
14:36:12Tornebut it has a valid start/end sector
14:36:14Torneand you mustn't touch those
14:36:20shuffle2if i just tell gparted to create the new fat32 at the same location, it'll be ok?
14:36:27TorneProbably noot
14:36:32Torneit will happily overwrite partition1
14:36:36Tornebecause it thinks the slot is empty.
14:36:38kugelI think "git svn reset r28200 && git reset −−hard ed11c04d51d2664dc2254018319044992d30b350" on the master, then git push −−force to the mirror should work
14:36:43Torneyou probably want to use fdisk
14:36:49Tornewhere you can control exactly what happens
14:37:15Torneyou won't destroy the player or anything if yo umess this up, btw, you can just restore it from the rom disk mode if you break it ;)
14:39:29shuffle2oh cool :p
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14:40:36kugelZagor: ^
14:41:38kugelI guess it needs a git svn rebase between the reset and the push
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14:41:50Zagorkugel: that's exactly what I've already done
14:42:00Zagorr28200 = ed11c04d51d2664dc2254018319044992d30b350
14:42:16Zagorpush says "Everything up-to-date"
14:43:26Zagorno, wait. that was to r28000.
14:43:45Zagorscratch that :)
14:43:59kugelwell anything before r28200 should work equally well
14:43:59*Zagor corrects the correction
14:44:51kugelr28206 is the first messed up revision
14:47:53kugelmaybe I need to refetch from the mirror
14:51:14kugelhm no that didn't work
14:52:25kugelZagor: the mirror still has the old commit message. is that on the master too?
14:52:53Zagorhow do I check?
14:57:11kugelgit log
14:57:33kugelthen search for 28206. if it says "Merge branch 'startfolder'" it's the old one
14:58:17kugeloh wait, it has r28206 twice apparently
14:59:13ZagorI only see it once in "git log"
14:59:24kugelI see it twice in git log origin/master
14:59:43Zagorand I see the new message
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15:01:20kugelgit log origin/master | grep "Merge branch 'startfolder'" is empty?
15:01:42LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Ping
15:01:43kugelthen it looks like the push didn't work
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15:01:57BagderLambdaCalculus37: jawohl?
15:02:26Zagorkugel: it is empty. the push doesn't do anything because it says "Everything up-to-date"
15:03:01LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Think it's time to start adding the GoGear HDD6330 to the build table? :)
15:03:10kugelZagor: then maybe "git svn reset r28200 && git reset −−hard ed11c04d51d2664dc2254018319044992d30b350" with git push −−force immedately after, then git svn rebase, then another git push (should work without −−force) could work
15:03:18Bagderhaha, don't ask me I'm slightly off the loop
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15:03:53LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Heh, me too. :)
15:04:12kugelgoing back to history definitely breaks push so it "Everything up-to-date" cannot happen
15:04:29LambdaCalculus37Who can add the GoGear HDD6330 to the build table?
15:04:32Zagorkugel: won't that remove everything after r28200?
15:06:33kugelthat's the plan, git svn rebase on the master should bring it back, but pushing before the rebase should make the push work correctly
15:07:04Zagorsame result. "Everything up-to-date"
15:08:32kugelthat's the output of the first push?
15:08:53kugelthat's *very* strange
15:09:56kugelthat shouldn't be possible if I understand git correctly :)
15:10:06Zagorthat's a big if :)
15:12:18shuffle2well i managed to destroy the fw partition :p
15:12:35shuffle2even tho fdisk shouldn't have touched it :|
15:13:00LambdaCalculus37shuffle2: Destroyed the firmware partition on what?
15:13:39kugelZagor: can you perhaps create a new branch on the mirror to see if that one is created correctly? (on the master: git co -b master_copy && git push <name of mirror remote>)
15:14:04shuffle2an ipod video
15:16:03pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: you mentioned disabling plugins in the configure script in your last commit message but I saw no corresponding file changed
15:16:35kugelco = checkout (sorry, I'm too used to my aliases :) )
15:16:53shuffle2rockboxutility says "error reading partition table - possibly not an ipod"
15:17:00shuffle2plz just do it(c)
15:17:04LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, that was actually a mistake on my part. I had my tools/configure set to build plugins for the SA9200 so I could test them, and I disabled them again without realizing that they're already disabled in SVN to begin with.
15:17:49LambdaCalculus37pixelma: That certainly earned me a "HERP DERP". :P
15:17:55*shuffle2 pokes Torne
15:18:23Torneshuffle2: fun :)
15:18:23pixelmashuffle2: ipodpatcher/the Rockbox Utility only works on Ipods with intact Apple firmware, you need to restore it to working condition before
15:18:36Torneshuffle2: restore with itunes on windows, if possible
15:18:38Tornethen try again
15:18:43Tornedon't let parted anywhere near it
15:18:46shuffle2oh god, itunes
15:18:54shuffle2i used fdisk, Torne
15:18:55Torneit's the most reliable way, i'm afraid
15:19:03shuffle2and didn't disturb the first partition
15:19:12Tornethen i suspect you did the wrong thing
15:19:16Tornewhateve ryou think you did :)
15:19:27shuffle2i suspect you told me wrong :P
15:19:27TorneDid the ipod still work afterward, btw? :)
15:19:41shuffle2it boots to the "you killed me" screen
15:19:51TorneAh, wait a sec, is this an 80GB disk?
15:19:54Tornehow did you format it?
15:20:06Tornehm. does the 30gb disk have 2kb logical sectors? i forget
15:20:15Torneanyway, some of hte ipod videos need to be formatted with 2k sectors
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15:20:28Torneso maybe you didn't mess up the firmware partition at all
15:20:42Tornethe IpodManualRestore page on the wiki lists a format command that should work
15:20:51Tornerestore in itunes to be sure it's in the correct state, then start over ;)
15:21:41Tornepeople have done this before and it does work
15:22:10Torneneither the apple firmware, nor ipodpatcher, nor rockbox itself should care if there are extra partitions or not, as long as the firmware partition is left alone and hte second partition is a valid fat32 partition with the right sector size for that disk
15:22:47shuffle2upon viewing with fdisk after unplugging/replugging the ipod, the first partition disappeared
15:22:59shuffle2however the second starts where the first would have ended
15:23:07shuffle2and i never told fdisk to delete it :/
15:23:08pixelmaI *believe* 30GB Ipod Videos can be either (wrt logical sector size)
15:23:16Tornepixelma: yeah, i think so too unfortunately :)
15:23:27Torneprobably the best hting is to let itunes format it and then look and see what it did :)
15:23:54Torneshuffle2: maybe parted did it, even though you didn't make any changes?
15:23:57shuffle2well i'll go download and install itunes then...
15:24:15Tornethere's always the even more fun option of sfdisk
15:24:23Tornewhich does exactly what you tell it guaranteed :)
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15:24:32Torneat the cost of being painfully incomprehensible to mortals
15:24:33shuffle2if a disk partition touched your data when you told it not to, wouldn't that be failure?
15:24:40shuffle2partition tool*
15:24:59TorneMaybe fdisk did it, also
15:24:59shuffle2i mean it's not something you guess at :p
15:25:07Torneit may have zeroed the start/end sectors of the free partition, because it was free
15:25:21Tornethe fact that the apple firmware partition is type "unused" is kinda a problem for partitioning utils :)
15:25:33Torneit's like storing data in the free blocks on your filesystem without telling it, and then running fsck on it ;)
15:25:46Tornei think they are somewhat justified in maybe accidentally destroying it there..
15:25:55Torneit'd be better if they didn't but you can see how it might happen :)
15:26:17Tornei am reasonably sure that sfdisk will do exactly what you tell it to and no more, but it's pretty hard to use
15:26:28Tornesince it's barely more than a hex editor for the partition table ;)
15:27:53Torneanyway, I suggest: restore with itunes because that puts the disk in a known good state
15:27:58Tornethen back up the MBR with dd
15:28:09Torneso you can put it back if you mess something up without having to restore all over again :)
15:28:13Torneand so you can compare it :)
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15:34:06shuffle2"iTunes has detected an iPod in recovery mode!" :p
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15:37:43*S_a_i_n_t shudders at the mere thought of sfdisk
15:37:57S_a_i_n_ta VERY awesome tool...but painfully hard to use.
15:38:09S_a_i_n_tAnd, a recipie for disaster if you fuck it up.
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15:38:15shuffle2ok, all itunes'd up
15:38:39S_a_i_n_tAwesome, iTunes is the one way to guarantee restoring an iPod to the defaulr state.
15:38:55S_a_i_n_tJust let it do it's thing once it finds the iPod in recovery mode.
15:39:43Torneshuffle2: file -s /dev/sd?2 should tell you the FAT filesystem parameters
15:39:50shuffle2so how much do i need to backup ?
15:39:50Tornei.e. the sector size and cluster size
15:39:53Tornejust 512 bytes
15:40:10Tornedd if=/dev/sd? of=mbrbackup bs=512 count=1
15:40:15Tornefor the appropriate device name
15:40:50Stummierm the first 512 byte does not only contain the mbr afaik
15:41:04Tornethe first 512 bytes is specifically the MBR. that's what it is.
15:41:11TorneThe MBR contains both the partition table and the boot code
15:41:25Torne(and the disk ID)
15:41:32Tornebut restoring those on an ipod is fine
15:42:05Tornedon't worry, i am a guru ;)
15:42:20Torneand i have killed my ipod more times than i can recall
15:42:23shuffle2 sectors/cluster 32
15:42:31Tornesector size is the interesting one
15:42:53Torneyou cna paste the whole line if you want, it's not that long
15:43:24shuffle2/dev/sdc: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSDOS5.0", sectors/cluster 32, reserved sectors 512, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 58605119 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 0, infoSector 0, Backup boot sector 0, reserved3 0x30000, physical drive 0x3, serial number 0xa88b3652, label: " iPod"
15:44:21Tornethat's 512 byte sectors, then
15:45:07Tornenot sure what the problem was, then.
15:45:16shuffle2/dev/sdc2: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID "*UOKJIHC" cached by Windows 9M, sectors/cluster 32, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 160650, sectors 58444468 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 14266, serial number 0xc620cfcc, label: "IPOD "
15:45:38Tornewait, what?
15:45:39shuffle2"hidden sectors" is the same as what i was working around before in fdisk :)
15:45:53shuffle2first was the disc, that's for the partition
15:45:54Tornethe first line there was from the whole device?
15:45:59Tornethat shouldn't have those fields at all
15:46:11Torneunless you've mistakenly formatted /dev/sdc as FAT in the past.. ;)
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15:46:59Tornewell it does look rather like something has ;)
15:47:22Torneanyway, either way the sector size appears to be 512 bytes, which is normal
15:47:32shuffle2well i've had it for 7 years?
15:47:35shuffle2maybe sometime :p
15:47:43Tornei don't have mine handy to see what my MBR looks like ;)
15:48:25*Torne experiments with some other disks
15:48:46TorneHm, yeah, I guess iTunes just doesn't overwrite the whole MBR
15:48:52Tornesince it doesn't have any boot code to insert
15:49:15Torneso it just overwrites the partition table area and so on, and an old FAT BPB from an accidental format in the past would be left over and only partly overwritten
15:49:29Torneon my disks at home file identifies the GRUB2 bootcode instead :)
15:49:43Torneand then dumps the partition table entries
15:50:40shuffle2in any case, i only need the first 512B to save me from using itunes again?
15:50:48shuffle2cause i've dumped that already
15:50:59Torneyou only need the first 512 bytes as long as you don't destroy the filesystem on sdc2 :)
15:51:05Torneor the contents of sdc1
15:51:28Tornewhat does sfdisk -d /dev/sdc look like? (pastebin)
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15:53:09Torneso yeah, you need to reduce the size of partition 2 and create a partition 3 in the gap, without touching the fields of partition 1 even though it's marked as free ;)
15:54:22Torneif you just dump that to a file and edit it with an editor, then feed it back into sfdisk..
15:54:42Tornebut you probably want to align with cylinder boundaries for crappy os compatibility ;)
15:55:32Tornei have a meeting, anyway. have fun with that ;) :)
16:00:05shuffle2 :s
16:06:57knittlZagor: ping (again) :D
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16:17:41*LambdaCalculus37 is still wondering if the HDD6330 port can be added to the build table
16:18:13shuffle2tried twice, failed twice :|
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16:19:10TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: does it compile without warnings?
16:20:56LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Plugins are disabled on the HDD6330, and thus far I haven't had issues compiling it.
16:21:52LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: But we're also missing a backdrop for the UI sim, and until I get the HDD6330 back that I gave to lowlight, I can't work on the plugins or continue testing code.
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16:22:31TheSevenwell, as long as it does compile?
16:23:05LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I can compile a normal build with no problems.
16:23:14AlexPno warnings?
16:23:25LambdaCalculus37AlexP: For normal builds, no.
16:23:35AlexPbootloaders and sims?
16:23:49LambdaCalculus37Sims give me errors and warnings.
16:24:52LambdaCalculus37Need to build a bootloader again.
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16:26:17*LambdaCalculus37 decides that it be best until things get a bit more tested before adding the HDD6330 to the build table
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16:34:18shuffle2woohoo it worked
16:34:28shuffle2switched back to fdisk from sfdisk ;p
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17:13:48linuxstbZagor: I had always thought it was disabled... Is there a reason for disabling it?
17:14:32Zagorto stop me having to repair the git repo every week :-)
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17:17:57pixelmalinuxstb: it was enabled a short time ago but git doesn't seem to cope with it
17:18:32Tornelinuxstb: git includes the commit message in what it hashes, so git repos cloned before and after the svn revprop edit end up with nonmatching changesets
17:18:40Tornelinuxstb: and then merges explode
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17:40:07saratogaBuschel: for the longs, whenever you're around again i need you to explain to me how QMF works one more time
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17:51:03LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: For the logs, let's try to get a UI sim for the HDD6330 to build. I'll be working on plugin keymaps as well.
17:59:56saratogaperhaps we should stop distributing source zips with new releases and instead provide a link to the SVN tag of the source code so that people stop grabbing old source zips (e.g. like that lovely port of rockbox 3.5.1 to WebOS that just turned up last month)
18:00:38saratogaIMO its difficult for people not used to our project to realize that development should be done against the latest source, since not all projects work the way we do
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18:08:57LambdaCalculus37saratoga: There was a port of Rockbox to WebOS?
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18:20:47n1ssaratoga: i agree
18:20:58n1salso it's one less thing to maintain
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18:22:23LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Think there are any chances of them giving us back the changes needed to make Rockbox run on WebOS?
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18:24:35evilnick_BLambdaCalculus37: I guess that depends on asking them for the changes, which in turn depends on our Chinese skills!
18:24:41S_a_i_n_tIf you add USB screen to %cs and a %(is USB connected)<yes|no> tag...then we'd be able to do a "Safe to disconnect" screen like the Apple OF does ;)
18:24:51S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: ^
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18:26:33LambdaCalculus37evilnick_B: markun is one of the few of us with a good grasp of the Chinese language. Perhaps he can ask for the changes to the source so we can put them into SVN.
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20:34:32webguest44does the rockbox software work ok the ipod nano gen 4?
20:35:32LambdaCalculus37No, Rockbox doesn't run on any iPod nano past the 2nd generation.
20:37:12webguest44ok ta
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23:30:12b0hoonLambdaCalculus37: i will work on the sim now.
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23:41:57pixelmawodz: pong
23:42:15wodzpixelma: I uploaded new version of the imageviewer png patch with 'aspect correction' added
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23:42:35wodzas well as new version of MAS_cleanup patch
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23:43:13pixelmagot the notification mail for the MAS one and the other just arrived :)
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23:43:46pixelmawill have a look and will probably report back tomorrow
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