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#rockbox log for 2010-10-27

00:03:31TheSevenso there's no actual *reason* behind this other than "we just do it like that"?
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00:06:12klapaucjuszHmm... the simulator is not in the menu offered by the config script?
00:06:37saratogayou pick a device, then pick simulator
00:07:38klapaucjuszAh, right. Thanks.
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00:10:11gevaertsOh, did r2800 get reverted on the 3.7 branch?
00:11:00gevaertsThe AMS thing
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00:13:31pixelmaAlexP prepares a patch and asked for testers, I believe it's not commited yet though
00:13:45pixelmaprepared too
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00:17:23kugelTheSeven: I think it boils down to "we don't like them", but I find a consistent (comment-)style makes code easier to read
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01:08:33kugelI wonder why funman removed the table from the SansaAMS page
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01:37:50saratogai think people were annoying him asking about it
01:38:06saratogai asked him and he said that everything was 100% anyway except for USB
01:38:49Kiwi_CamHi everyone. Could I get you guys to check my Theme? Maybe you lot might spot what I'm missing. If you run it in the simulator, you should get an idea as to what's going wrong, but I can't work out why. I've tried everything I can think of. Would a dropbox link be OK, or pastebin? Do you need to bitmaps? Thanks.
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01:44:39Kiwi_CamI have to go and do some work, but if you're interested, here's the WPS file: I'll check in later. Thanks. Everything works fine except for the track details above the progress bar. It seems to be picking up info from the rest of the theme.
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02:04:33LloreanOkay, I'll bring it here and say it explicitly: I'm not against converting RaaA to absolute, only against intentionally removing the ability for people to use certain screens during the process of this.
02:04:53JdGordon|leave it on the ml please
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02:05:10JdGordon|or go pm
02:05:30LloreanI think this is clear from my emails, but in case someone is unable to ascertain this from the fact that in my first email openly says "I don't think it should go in until X is true" rather than "I don't think it should go in at all", I accept that this change is happening.
02:05:43LloreanJdGordon|: Well first off, how this change should happen is on-topic here anyway.
02:05:58LloreanSecondly, I want it logged somewhere what my opinion on the matter is in case someone "can't figure it out" later and wants to accuse me of more things.
02:06:17kugelon the ml it's logged
02:06:38Lloreankugel: On the ML, the person who can't figure it out isn't reading any more either.
02:07:37Lloreankugel: What's the argument against leaving the screens in grid mode, rather than breaking them, anyway?
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02:07:48Lloreanif grid mode is so "unusable" as you claim, wouldn't it be just as bad to leave it in grid mode?
02:08:06kugelI started the topic on the ML not to continue it on IRC
02:08:11JdGordon|discussion of grid mode usablity is not ON TOPIC for here, take it elsewhere
02:08:12LloreanIn terms of putting pressure on developers to "fix" it, I mean
02:08:28LloreanJdGordon|: How is discussion of a feature of Rockbox off-topic?
02:08:40JdGordon|the feature yes, weather it is useable vs stylus isnt
02:08:51JdGordon|it is hoever a boring discussion which you two can take to pm
02:08:55LloreanJdGordon|: But I didn't ask how it's usable vs stylus, at all.
02:09:10JdGordon|ah forget it
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02:09:37LloreanWhat I'm asking is, if the goal is to make the screens bad so that developers want to fix them, wouldn't leaving them in grid mode when the rest of the UI is absolute also accomplish this pressure?
02:10:00kugeli doubt
02:10:04LloreanWhy not?
02:10:20LloreanIf "unusably bad" isn't enough to force it, why would "literally not there any more" do it?
02:12:15LloreanI assume that means you have an answer for the question.
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02:30:20saratogadoes it really matter if we leave some screens in grid while we change over?
02:30:32saratogathat seems fine to me, most will probably be fixed pretty quickly
02:30:39rasherI'm not sure anyone thinks so, actually
02:30:57saratogaaren't there only a few major ones left?
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02:31:23Lloreanrasher: kugel's explicitly said several times he thinks it needs to be all or nothing - if we switch over, no screen must be left in grid, so as to encourage people to work on them more after the switch
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02:31:47saratogafor implementation reasons?
02:32:17Lloreansaratoga: Mainly "people are more likely to work on those screens if they're gone until someone fixes them"
02:32:42saratogawell either seems fine to me
02:32:57saratogai figure eventually we'll want to redesign a lot of the screens for touch UIs anyway
02:33:15LloreanWhile I don't find grid mode that bad, I'm pretty sure *everyone* who'd be working on absolute mode anyway does find it that bad.
02:33:28LloreanSo I tend to think "grid mode" is just as bad as "no screen at all" in encouraging those people to work.
02:34:10saratogai was wondering how hard it would be to steal some of the native android widgets for touch screen stuff actually
02:34:13LloreanMeanwhile, it means the screens are there if you've read the manual and know how to manage them (though I also agree with JdGordon's point - if any of those screens are impossible to exit in grid mode, that's even worse than not having them and needs fixing in some manner)
02:34:15saratogasome of them are quite nice
02:34:31LloreanBut I don't think he's watching the channel, so don't tell him I said that.
02:34:38kugelwell, you want an indication that the mode changed, a splash, drawing borders or both; otherwise you'd not know about it. I don't want to do the work on these indicators
02:35:00LloreanA splash would be pretty trivial, no?
02:35:09saratogai don't think we need any visual indication
02:35:21saratogaits a work in progress, some screens can be expected to be weird
02:35:26saratogamost of the important ones are already fixed
02:35:33Lloreansaratoga: I think a visual indication that point/absolute mode is no longer in effect would be nice, if the majority of the UI accepts absolute input.
02:35:56LloreanBut not essential, I guess.
02:36:11saratogai say just switch over right now, and then add things like that as we go if people find it annoying
02:36:47LloreanWell, I don't know that the framework is in place for some screens to be in grid mode while the UI is in absolute? Is it?
02:37:10kugelthat's also additional work
02:37:22kugelwhich is all wasted if you ask me
02:37:36LloreanIt's not wasted if nobody ever fixes the screens.
02:38:09rasherIsn't it just a matter of temporarily changing a setting and restoring it on exit?
02:38:14LloreanI will agree it's wasted if the screens are adapted in a timely manner.
02:38:34LloreanI just am not nearly as confident as you that this will happen.
02:38:44saratogahow hard is it to do that?
02:39:00saratogai mean if its reasonably hard then yeah, don't bother and just leave the screens busted for a while
02:39:22saratogaor hack a few of the important ones to grid mode i guess
02:39:51saratogathe idea here should be to get the Android port to a point where lots of people can use it, then let them fix it
02:40:00saratogaerr fix its glitches I meant
02:40:07LloreanI don't think the Android point is the problem, so much as the other touchscreen devices.
02:40:14LloreanEr port.
02:41:16saratogawe're about to do a release, nows the time to break things
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02:41:30saratogaif people are bothered by it, they can help fix the screens or just stick with 3.7
02:41:38LloreanI agree. After the release, the current unstable is a great time for things to get really bad.
02:42:18saratogaplus we've got a few patches sitting on the tracker for converting stuff to absolute mode
02:42:33*rasher likes the fact that afrikaans.lang was last updated 7 years ago
02:42:34saratogapresumably breaking those things will encourage people to look at them
02:43:25kugelsaratoga: non of the devices in question is stable in fact
02:43:34saratogaisn't the mrobe?
02:44:10kugelnot the 500
02:44:15saratogaoh wrong model
02:46:06saratogawhat about using native android widgets in rockbox?
02:46:38saratogais that feasible or worthwhile?
02:46:51kugelneither I'd say
02:47:51saratogai was thinking about borrowing the c code directly and putting it in rockbox for use on all touch devices
02:48:04saratogaor at least something close to it
02:48:26saratogagoogle has a pretty nice collection of open source touch ui stuff
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02:49:06kugelwhere? all android widgets are java
02:49:43saratogai thought they were implemented as c libraries?
02:49:59saratogaisn't the whole GUI written in c and neon?
02:50:29saratogaso they JIT the GUI?
02:50:33saratogathat seems kind of crazy
02:50:43kugelalso, let me remind you that not all android devices have neon
02:51:03kugelthey don't even do jit pre-froyo
02:51:36kugelmany, many of them don't have neon actually. there's a lot with arm11 chips
02:52:02saratogai realize that
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03:12:18JdGordon|saratoga: we havnt managed to get rockbox to use any standard ui elements at all yet, once/if that happens then maybe we can convert things to native widgets where it makes sense
03:12:53JdGordon|otherwise it would be rewriting the entire ui in java and just using rockbox code for the playback engine (which maybe isnt such a bad idea also)
03:15:30rasherAnd playlist engine
03:16:06saratogahaving multiple GUIs in rockbox would be interesting
03:17:09JdGordon|If it can be split up more like a client/server (playback/ui) then it would be pretty fun to make a rockbox widget which could run along side the actual app
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04:50:59icheynehi all
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04:51:35icheyneI think rockbox is displaying the time in the top right corner
04:51:45icheynehow can I update the time?
04:52:02icheynehave to say that rockbox works like a beauty on my Sansa Clip+
04:52:10icheyneso happy when I saw there was a port
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04:53:55saratogashould be in the manual
04:53:56JdGordon|menu > system > time and date
04:54:15icheynecool thanks guys :)
04:54:29icheyne(It isn't in the manual)
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04:55:51icheyneok I lied
04:55:54icheyneit is in the manual :(
04:56:07icheyneI did look though
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07:01:27JdGordon|[Saint]: I dont suppose you got round to trying out the "have rtc" tag with %X did you?
07:02:13JdGordon|... and if you want to play I can walk you through adding "have touchscreen" if you want?
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07:10:44Simon14Question: I want to apply some patches I've found, is the rockbox source the same across all players?
07:10:50[Saint]I haven't got around to it yet, no...I've been thinking about the touchscreen tags though. Something that doesn't seem to be possible, but could be quite useful is: "if touched −−> do X; if held −−> do Y"
07:11:17[Saint]I'll say again, it doesn't seem to be possible, but, it may well be and I'm just missing it.
07:11:17JdGordon|&<action> IIRC is for a hold
07:11:30JdGordon|Simon14: yes
07:11:46[Saint]yeah, but IIUC you'd beed to set up two actions there, and the touch action would go off also
07:12:07JdGordon|no, the touch wont happen untill an unpress I think
07:12:10JdGordon|so it should work
07:12:14[Saint]Ah, ok.
07:12:18JdGordon|but yes, you need to setup two
07:12:28Simon14ok, so why are there different builds for each device? anything that i need to take into consideration when i'm compiling?
07:12:46[Saint]"do it right" ;)
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07:13:44Simon14i'm just failing to see why there are different builds per device if it's the same?
07:14:14JdGordon|the codebase is the same, but each build has different parts of the code compiled
07:14:46S_a_i_n_thaving a different codebase for each device would mean duplicates of foolish ammounts of files.
07:16:28S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Do you know (off hand) if "settings_inc" wraps?
07:16:47S_a_i_n_tor will it just got to the last increment and stop?
07:16:58JdGordon|it should wrap
07:17:06JdGordon|I would expect it to wrap
07:17:26JdGordon|I'm 99% sure it wraps
07:17:42Simon14of course, i just didn't see where the compilations differed between devices. after a closer look, the target build is defined when running tools/configure correct?
07:17:44JdGordon|yeah, it definately does, or the quickscreen woudlnt work
07:18:33S_a_i_n_tsweet...I'd like to use that (in combination with the future (is touchscreen?)) to just tap the repeat icon, as it would suck have seperate areas for rep_up and rep_dwn.
07:19:00S_a_i_n_thaving it wrap if you make a mistake is a way better compromise
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07:20:35S_a_i_n_tI want to use the (future) "is_touchscreen" to display the rep/shuffle icons fulltime if "touchscreen" == I don't want them onscreen fulltime in the non-touchscreen version.
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07:21:06JdGordon|in ilike?
07:21:19S_a_i_n_tIt'll take some thinking but I think I can make quite a decent touchscreen theme out of the Apple theme
07:21:33JdGordon|doesnt the of always show those icons also?
07:26:49JdGordon|hmm, would %T(x,y,w,h, action, &hold_action) be sensible?
07:27:05JdGordon|only one being required of course
07:27:49S_a_i_n_tIf it can be done as you say, and the held action won;t set off the touched action once it fires...I don't really see the point.
07:28:00S_a_i_n_tI'll check how it actually works in the sim later on.
07:28:04JdGordon|%T(x,y,w,h, settings_inc, foo, &settings_dec, bar) could be nasty
07:29:39JdGordon|well the point would be simpler skin code, if it does actually make it easier
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07:30:06JdGordon|one less line to write at the very least
07:30:08S_a_i_n_twell, I'll have to step out of the converation then ;)
07:30:13S_a_i_n_tWe seem to have different opinions of "simpler" :p
07:30:19JdGordon|hehe indeed
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07:30:53JdGordon|I havnt suggested %T(x,y,w,h, %?**<action|other action>)
07:30:58JdGordon|although...... :D
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07:43:35Simon14is anyone running the vmware image under VirtualBox?
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09:01:48JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: ok, if you do get to testing it.. I'm pretty sure you cant (currently) use it with true/false (i.e for conditional image/backdrop loading)
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09:01:57JdGordon|but I tihnk will fix that
09:02:23JdGordon|%?cc<%X(rtc.bmp)|%X(nortc.bmp)> should work
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09:04:58AlexPgevaerts: Yeah, I'm about to - I'm just waiting for one of the affected people to get back to me to check it works. kugel checked on his non-affected fuze, and that still works which is good :)
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09:05:56S_a_i_n_tJust to refresh my memory...what is it I'm testing with the "have rtc?" tag?
09:06:03S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: ^
09:06:32JdGordon|if the correct side is parsed
09:06:52JdGordon|like the above, or even to not bother loading a bunch of images if there is no point
09:07:15S_a_i_n_tah...right. is it specific to %X?
09:07:21S_a_i_n_tor...just any tag?
09:07:59JdGordon|any, %X will be obvious
09:08:09JdGordon|as with %xl (it should complain if you use the same id)
09:08:26JdGordon|you could even put a parse error in one side and see if it gets hit
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09:08:48JdGordon|I'm pretty sure svn will always do the false side, that patch should make it only do the *correct* side
09:09:42S_a_i_n_twouldn't you want it to do both?
09:10:04S_a_i_n_tif this...if not, do that.
09:10:09S_a_i_n_tseems sensible to me.
09:10:29JdGordon|right, but the target wont magically change from yes rtc to no rtc during one rockbox session
09:11:02S_a_i_n_tno...but there's possibly themes that share screensize, but do/don't have rtc
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09:11:31JdGordon|exactly thats what this is for
09:11:59S_a_i_n_tso...I don't see why it doesn't need to parse both true and false.
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09:12:30JdGordon|%?cc<%X(rtc.bmp)|%X(nortc.bmp)> will show a different backdrop image depending on the target. that line will fail if both sides are parsed on target
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09:12:43JdGordon|actually it will always show nortc.bmp
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09:13:50S00rowjdgordon|: I applied the patch you asked me to test for RaaA two days ago - what was it you wanted me to test?
09:14:06JdGordon|what was the patch?
09:14:09JdGordon|I dont remember :p
09:14:40JdGordon|oh yes, just make sure things that read/write to the /.rockbox folder work.. so themes, fonts, codecs,
09:16:12S00rowjdgordon|: 11575
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09:19:10S00rowHow does one quit RaaA?
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09:27:35AlexPS_a_i_n_t: Not helpful
09:27:38AlexPS00row: I may be wrong, but from what I've read here I don't think you can from within it
09:28:14AlexPHowever, JdGord or kugel will be better placed to help :)
09:29:00S00rowThanks AlexP figured i was missing something. Not sure how i'm to test that rw to .rockbox is working without changing settings, quit, restart
09:29:57S_a_i_n_tyou can try just creating/deleting a directory from withing rockbox.
09:30:01S_a_i_n_tor renaming a file.
09:30:55S00rowjdgordon: Create Directory Failed flashed up
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09:36:23S00rowCrap - Switched back to 3x3 mode, what is 'ok' in 3x3?
09:38:29S00rowjdgord: I think i tried to create it outside the sd card. I'm attempting to create a directory on the sdcard now, but i'm lost on how to 'enter' in 3x3 mode
09:38:44JdGordMiddle right
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09:39:06S00rowThat moves the cursor
09:39:26JdGordOr use the ball if the build is new enough
09:39:48S00rowAlso moves the cursor
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09:41:36JdGordPush the ball for select
09:43:46S00rowBottom right cancels, top right, top left move the cursor left/right, left/right/up/down move the cursor, bottom left deletes, center selects the current character, left/right on trackball moves text cursor (not box) left/right, downpress on ball gives no reaction
09:43:59S00rowtime for an svn update?
09:44:13JdGordAh. In the keyboard?
09:44:36JdGordHardware.back button?
09:44:39rasherOne does not quit android apps, generally
09:44:47rasherI hope Rockbox will be no different
09:44:58rasherDon't know if it's there yet
09:46:12S00rowI'd like to be able to quit it - i generally won't but its useful. jdgord: Hardware back didn't respond in keyboard mode either. Bottom right allows me to leave. How should I go about testing rw without keyboard
09:46:13JdGordAs far as the user is concerned it does exit
09:46:40rasherS00row: just hit the home button
09:46:41JdGordDon't bother :)
09:46:44rasherand it's "gone"
09:47:39S00rowjdgord: Sure?
09:48:27JdGordYeah. Ill do this testing more properly
09:48:28JdGordThanks anyway
09:50:43S00rowWhich user manual should I read through to get a rockbox overview, that is most 'similar' to Raaa
09:51:26S00rowAnd can you change the name to RockDroid - RaaA is getting tedious ;)
09:51:58S_a_i_n_tRock<Blah> is GREATLY overused.
09:52:02S_a_i_n_tand tiresome.
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10:30:09kugelS00row: raaa is just a handle for the application port. the software is still called Rockbox, and that won't change
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11:29:17*JdGordon can show a native android window from the framebuffer :)
11:29:35JdGordonthis means it shuold be almost straightforward to get a native keyword input working
11:31:47JdGordon... hopefully
11:31:47S_a_i_n_thaha! nice ;)
11:32:03S_a_i_n_tNope! you've spoken now! we all expect it!
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12:11:20JdGordonFUCK YOU MUCHLY eclipse
12:11:29JdGordonerm... wrong window
12:12:31Stummiwhat would be the right windows for this? ;)
12:13:00S_a_i_n_tdammit..poor time for a typo.
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12:46:38AlexPEvanCarroll: Any luck?
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12:59:08CIA-6New commit by teru (r28364): fix that disktidy plugin and shopper plugin is not usable when Show Icons setting is turned off.
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13:09:33wodzAlexP: Today I tested png viewer on my mpio (CF) and ipod mini (PP). The total time (from click to image shown) is the same for both devices after my changes (and less than 5s for United Kingdom Flag). I made tests with other optimizations but I gained only speedup ~10% of total time with MUCH code complexity added.
13:09:58AlexPwodz: Sounds good to me, thanks very much for taking the effort
13:11:59wodzI'll commit this after 3.7
13:18:36S_a_i_n_tteru: Didn't you already commit that?
13:18:41teruwodz: it is nice if you could fix indentations. i think i saw some lines are not indendet when i last looked the patch.
13:19:03teruS_a_i_n_t: it is for ver3.7 branch
13:21:18wodzteru: yes this is on my TODO list before commiting
13:22:36teruoh, good. thanks.
13:28:04wodzbtw. do we have some settings established to automate process with indent command?
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14:10:19*JdGordon is so close to having a working android host keyboard input :/
14:18:45JdGordon\o/ it works!
14:21:22kugelhow did you do it?
14:22:03JdGordoncreate an activity from the service.fb (which gets the current activity passed in in resume() )
14:22:09JdGordonits pretty messy, but it works
14:22:55kugelvia intent?
14:23:34kugelI was under the impression you could make intents from the service as well
14:23:38JdGordonrockbox goes into a sleep(HZ/10) loop waiting for the reply which is also a bit nasty
14:23:59JdGordonI'll put up the diff once I clean up a bit
14:25:27kugelyou can probably replace the sleep() with a wakeup_wait()
14:26:45tmzt_JdGordon: does the rockbox so call into java to request keyboard events?
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14:27:15tmzt_from what I can tell you treat it as a hardware device, which I need the opposite behavior for what I'm doing
14:27:27tmzt_you get anywhere with native debugging?
14:27:34JdGordonwait what? and no
14:27:42JdGordonDEBUGF() is all we have
14:28:17tmzt_oh, I was able to get gdbserver working but only when testing a standalone app, still can't get this lauded jni debugging to work
14:28:19kugelyou can apparently hook up gdb for native debugging but I never got it to work
14:29:07kugeltmzt_: could you document how you did it somewhere?
14:30:39tmzt_for the standalone? I just run ./gdbserver :port ./app from adb shell as root
14:31:22tmzt_how is the decoding thread handled, is it a native thread or created from java?
14:31:33tmzt_I'll have to look at the source again
14:37:08tmzt_this is what I'm doing
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14:38:42tmzt_you might also look at connectbot which has an efficient way of managing hard and soft keyboards that actually works, as well as a clean way of delivering the keystrokes to jni processes (but running as a terminal of course)
14:39:09JdGordontwo seperate topics here
14:39:24JdGordonwhat I've done is replace the on screen keybaord which sucks with a native ui
14:39:42JdGordonwe might also want proper keyboard handling which will have to do something completly different
14:39:43tmzt_native as in rockbox native?
14:39:52JdGordonnative as in java
14:40:04tmzt_okay, same terminology I've been using :)
14:40:29tmzt_so you request an entire string and block in the c code for it?
14:40:36JdGordonyes :(
14:40:55JdGordonwhich isnt really a problem because that code blocks the main thread anyway
14:41:34tmzt_maybe you could call up the keyboard request and just deliver the keystroke back when finished? or the problem is the bit field for keys in rockbox drivers?
14:42:58JdGordonthe way I did keycodes for sdl is have a single BUTTON_ASCII and then the keycode in the button data which is usually used for the touch position
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14:44:06tmzt_why wouldn't that work the same way? just batch them in java call into c
14:44:18JdGordonit probably would
14:44:24tmzt_I've had *some* success with posix locking
14:46:47JdGordonnow, how do I create a nice ui which doesnt use up the whole screen and just centers the edit field and some buttons?
14:47:02JdGordonin java that is
14:47:12JdGordoneclipses ui editor is a peice of shit
14:48:35tmzt_edit the xml, and talk to romain
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15:25:27S_a_i_n_tteru: do you plan to commit FS #11682 Disktidy Plugin Does Not Clean Custom Files?
15:25:52S_a_i_n_tI have been using it since you added it, and it works very well.
15:26:40S_a_i_n_tTh eonly thing that concerns me about it is that you can add "*.*" as matching criteria and have the plugin attempt to erase the disk ;p
15:26:47S_a_i_n_t*The only
15:28:05teruprobably i'll commit it after 3.7 is released.
15:29:00pixelmamaybe .rockbox should be "secured" too
15:29:09teru"*.*" will not work since it only recognise first "*".
15:30:21S_a_i_n_tpixelma: mind you, if someone specifically adds ",rockbox" they're kinda asking for it ;)
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15:51:08Marker[buntu]hi all, who can help me ? when I try to compile rockbox on linux it talk me this:
15:51:29Torneyou haven't built the compiler. Follow the build instructions.
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15:53:14StummiMarker[buntu], in best case, you just has to type "tools/" from your root
15:53:34Stummithis will take some times
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15:56:43Marker[buntu]Ok, now i will try it
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16:27:48n1shmm, why do test_codec crash with ogg vorbis in the sim but on just playing the file?
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16:31:34n1stlsf trying to deref a null pointer, awesome
16:31:49n1swhy does this only happen with test_codec though?
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16:43:45n1sah, awesome, return of init_memory_pool is not checked
16:46:51n1sheh, a function with return type size_t returning -1 on error isn't very helpful
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16:57:22Marker689Ok, I have compiled this, and i have one question: how can I add patches to firmware ?
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16:57:35Marker689 for example
16:58:17nerdy_kidI can't seem to get my video to encode with mp3 (for various reasons I dont know) but I can get it to encode with mp2. Will that work as well with mpgplayer? thanks
17:02:27S_a_i_n_tnerdy_kid: try the manual...pretty sure it states only mpeg3
17:03:18S_a_i_n_tMarker689: read up on the wiki about using the "patch" command
17:03:41S_a_i_n_ts/wiki/rockbox wiki/
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17:04:53nerdy_kidS_a_i_n_t it says "MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files" so i guess mp2 would work, I am just wondering if it would be slower/not as good/etc. for some reason ffmpeg refuses to encode mp3 >-O
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17:07:23CIA-6New commit by nls (r28365): test_codec: Align the codec buffer to pointer size, since tlsf wants that. Fixes a crash when running tremor in test_codec on 64 bit sim. (The tlsf ...
17:07:40S_a_i_n_tHmmm...I tell a lie, apparently mpeg1 and 2 are supported for playback.
17:08:51EvanCarrollAlexP: I just tried to download that one on filebin its down, I forgot my sansa last night
17:09:00CIA-6r28365 build result: All green
17:09:05S_a_i_n_tI also note that I accidentally typed mpeg3 earlier, as opposed to mpeg2
17:09:09S_a_i_n_tsorry for the confusion
17:09:18S_a_i_n_tnerdy_kid: ^
17:09:18AlexPEvanCarroll: Down as in you have it, or down as in you can't get it?
17:09:25EvanCarrollI can't get it
17:09:30AlexPOK, I'll re upload
17:09:31EvanCarrolljust hangs
17:09:34AlexPOne mo
17:10:13nerdy_kidS_a_i_n_t ok thanks :)
17:11:30pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I think you're mixing video and audio formats here
17:11:59pixelmaaudio format "in" the video
17:12:10AlexPanyone know of a filebin alternative?
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17:38:42*TheSeven wonders if anybody read the nano2g stable proposal
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17:39:04AlexPI did!
17:39:11AlexPI'll reply tonight fwiw
17:39:21LambdaCalculus37I did as well!
17:39:46LambdaCalculus37I think that it's ready for stable status.
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17:48:38n1sI did too but din't have time to write a reply this morning and then forgot about it, i agree that it's ready for stable
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18:03:06mc2739AlexP: FWIW, I tested your e200v2 build and did not notice any problems, although I was not having the problem caused by r28000
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18:16:54wodzwhat do you think about as a reference code style for rb?
18:18:29gevaertsAlexP: great!
18:19:02AlexPmc2739: Cool thanks - just need someone with the problem to confirm it has gone away
18:19:59EvanCarrollAlexP: that build is all kinds of bad
18:20:07wodzI mean code formated with this script
18:20:33AlexPEvanCarroll: ah, doesn't work? Interesting - all I did is revert r28000
18:20:37EvanCarrollnot at all
18:20:48EvanCarrollthe IO randomly changes settings too
18:21:09EvanCarrollthe left channel keeps poping out, and when hit a file it will randomly enable party mode or queue the file
18:21:17EvanCarrollwhich are settings that I didn't even use before
18:21:27AlexPI don't see how that is possible
18:21:32EvanCarrollClicking a file gives me Queue Last
18:21:40EvanCarrollI just unzipped in the directory and did a replace all
18:21:59AlexPReally all I did was revert r28000, and it works fine on non-affected units
18:22:03EvanCarrollFF/RW doesn't even work
18:22:30AlexPWho made the previous version for you that works? I'll ask them for the source
18:22:42EvanCarrollbertik or something like that
18:22:44EvanCarrollI don't have the logs
18:22:54AlexPbertrik, you there?
18:23:00wodzI would suggest to do clean settings or make clean install even
18:23:13AlexPyeah, try that if you don't mind
18:23:52EvanCarrollhow do i do that?
18:24:13S_a_i_n_tremove your .cfg, or judt delete the .rockbox folder
18:24:15AlexPeasiest is probably just to delete the .rockbox directory first
18:24:27AlexPIt'll reset settings though
18:24:28S_a_i_n_tkeep your .cfg for backup if you want to though.
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18:28:49EvanCarrollthere we go
18:29:06AlexPcool :)
18:29:15EvanCarrollI wonder if I replace with my old config if it nukes it
18:29:17AlexPI wonder what on earth was going on before
18:29:24AlexPYeah, would be interesting to try
18:29:26EvanCarrollI had a different theme and backlight setting and some other stuff
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18:31:05EvanCarrollyou know with all the stuff about the rarity of this problem
18:31:10EvanCarrollI wonder if it isn't in the config
18:31:19wodzI observed that sometime old config makes all sort of funny things.
18:31:24EvanCarrollit seems like no one knows anything about it
18:31:47AlexPEvanCarroll: Maybe it is worth trying a current build, having deleted .rockbox? (if you haven't already)
18:32:07EvanCarrollI'm not sure I have, its always worked fine
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18:32:41AlexPEvanCarroll: If you don't mind it'd be good just to double check
18:34:25EvanCarrollIt is repeatable
18:34:39AlexPSo it doesn't work with a current build?
18:34:44EvanCarrollI backed up my config, replaced it again, and now the abnormalities are back
18:34:49EvanCarrollNo, i'm still on your build
18:34:58AlexPer, what the hell?
18:35:00EvanCarrollI replaced my old config on your build
18:35:10EvanCarrolland now clicking on the files queues them and FF/RW are broke
18:35:10AlexPOK, so the config is fucking it somehow
18:35:17EvanCarrollmajor fucking it
18:35:20AlexPCould you post your config.cfg?
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18:35:37AlexPto or somesuch
18:35:56AlexPAnd if you could try with reset settings and current build, that'd be fab
18:36:31EvanCarrollsure, let me send you my config, because from what I'm seeing it would totally fuck the user experience if someone upgraded to 3.7 without a reset of the config
18:36:34EvanCarrollIf they had my settings
18:36:46EvanCarrollbecause I can't FF/RW and picking a different track seems to work totally randomly
18:36:58EvanCarrollI can't pause either with this config
18:37:07AlexPyeah, it'd be nice to find out what setting is doing that, and how the hell it is doing it
18:37:33EvanCarrollclicking the files just brings up a prompty that says Queue Last
18:37:37EvanCarrollthis is really rather amusing
18:38:08EvanCarrollthe first file i pick works
18:38:13EvanCarrollthe rest of them jsut queue last
18:38:47EvanCarrollthat's the diff
18:39:23EvanCarrollyou can see it is pretty basic stuff, I pretty much just listen to long audio books.
18:39:31EvanCarrollI'm not a "power user" with EQ voodoo or anything
18:40:01pixelmaguess it's the "Party Mode" setting, could you turn it off?
18:40:10pixelmamaybe "Skip Length" too
18:40:37bertrikaha, party mode :)
18:40:44EvanCarrollI didn't have party mode on though
18:40:47EvanCarrollI guarenttee it
18:40:51EvanCarrollThe build turned it on
18:41:14AlexPIs that your backed up one?
18:42:34EvanCarrollnow it works
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18:43:10EvanCarrollyea, but when I first installed this download options were turning off and on by moving the scroll wheel.
18:43:24EvanCarrollbut party mode was causing the Queue Last things, and the broken play/pause FW/RW
18:43:32EvanCarrollor, rather whatever that funky mode entails
18:43:36EvanCarrollI'm sure it is by design
18:43:47*S_a_i_n_t doubts that.
18:43:59S_a_i_n_tparty mode != "randomise my settings" ;)
18:44:15AlexPEvanCarroll: So we should try reset settings with a current build :)
18:44:36EvanCarrollyea, will try now
18:48:04EvanCarrollclicking in the left channel
18:48:09EvanCarrolljust like before
18:48:34AlexPOK, so it looks like reverting is needed, but there is an additional funky settings issue
18:48:53AlexPI'll commit the revert for the release, and then we can think about the settings
18:50:09EvanCarrollis there anything I can help trouble shoot on the issue?
18:51:05AlexPnot sure, maybe :)
18:51:07AlexPone mo
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18:53:33CIA-6New commit by alex (r28366): Revert r28000 on the 3.7 release branch, as for as yet unknow reasons it causes playback issues on a small number of players. Thanks to Evan Carroll ...
18:54:38EvanCarrollfor what its worth the playback issues are in the left channel and more likely during the start of the playback
18:58:47AlexPAs for what breaks it, I guess you could take your saved config, and remove all but one item to see if you can find which it is
18:59:55EvanCarrollDoes Partymode just do that?
19:00:09EvanCarrolldisable FF/RW/Pause/Play and Queue Last rather than Jump to Song
19:00:28EvanCarrollI mean, that settings is totally not wanted for my use case, but I assume that was someones intention
19:00:46Simon14is it possible to change the "random" playmode so that the playlist is in some sort of order (song name/artist) and ls
19:00:50EvanCarrolla better question is how did partymode come to be enabled when I tried your build, because I'm 100% sure it wasn't enabled previously
19:00:59Simon14and the next song is randomly chosen?
19:01:00EvanCarrollOr at least, if it was, it didn't act like that
19:01:03AlexPEvanCarroll: yes, apparently:
19:01:50EvanCarrollanyway, problem fixed. the issue was party mode was enabled, how it got enabled I have no idea and couldn't get it to repeat itself
19:03:14AlexPSimon14: You mean keep the playlist fixed, but jump around in it? If so, no I don't think so
19:03:33AlexPEvanCarroll: Well, that problem - the strange issue with r28000 is still there
19:03:46Simon14dang, i like that method so much more. oh well
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19:04:07AlexPEvanCarroll: At least 3.7 should work for you :)
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19:04:38EvanCarrollhey, I've got USB =) that's why I upgraded from the first working AMS build
19:04:48EvanCarrolland USB works well now with large transfers
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19:25:03orzoi have questions more about rhythmbox but i dont know a channel for it
19:25:10orzobut i have a rockbox player
19:25:26orzoand i opened a playlist file from it in rhythm box
19:25:35orzoand it doesnt seem to work, but i now seethe file under playlists
19:25:48orzowell if its not going to work, i dont want it showing there, so i could select "delete"
19:25:56orzobut i'm afraid it will delete the file off my rockbox player
19:28:53S_a_i_n_tyou're quite right...this isn;t a Rockbox question
19:29:31S_a_i_n_tI'm sure RhythmBox has it's own support forums
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19:32:04Simon14man.. updating the ARM compiles took a good 20mins i think
19:32:07Simon14if not more
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19:36:00S_a_i_n_tit's not updating it, it's building it from scratch.
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19:38:20Simon14oh i thought the dev came with arm but it needed to be updated. i knew that the arm source was fetched and built
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19:42:54orzookay, real rockbox question. I'm unclear on how to use the sd card with rockbox. DO i need to turn off the player whenever i remove or insert a card?
19:44:58LambdaCalculus37orzo: What device is this for?
19:45:47Simon14so after running 'tools/' and running make i get an error: 'as: unrecognized option '-Qy'' which from what i've read is something to do with confusing as
19:47:06LambdaCalculus37orzo: You can insert an SD card while the device is on.
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19:48:04orzoand also remove it while it is on?
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19:48:52orzoi know computers typically want me to click "safely remove" or something like
19:49:07orzobut rockbox maybe does no caching?
19:51:41linuxstborzo: Your computer could also be caching.
19:54:51orzoi know the computer caches, that's why it wants me to click "safely remove" before I pull a card out
19:55:07Simon14i've got gcc 3.3.5 (from the vmware image) do i need to update that?
19:55:08orzothe question is, does rockbox have a "safely remove" or is it always safe to pull a card out ?
19:55:34alexbobPI don't think rockbox does write caching
19:55:43alexbobPI'm not a dev but it's my impression that once the file copy dialog is done you can pull your card
19:56:29orzowell thanks
19:56:58Simon14i'll try back later
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20:00:21glenniekhi there can anybody help me with a manual install of rockbox onto a sansa clip=
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20:02:26glenniekhi can anybody help me with a manual install of rockbox onto a clip+
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20:05:36pixelmaare you following the explanation in our manual and why a manual install?
20:06:08pixelmanote: I don't have a Clip+ and don't know the procedure
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20:09:15glenniekautomated install will not work with the newest clip+
20:11:07LambdaCalculus37glenniek: The manual should have all of the instructions you need to install Rockbox on a Clip+. AFAIK the procedure is similar to other AMS Sansas.
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20:12:48glenniekmy problem may be basic but when i try and navigate to my 'rbinstall' folder the command prompt states "rbinstall' is not recognised as an internal or external command, operatble program or batch file" - it has the bootloader and evrything in it
20:13:47LambdaCalculus37glenniek: What OS are you using?
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20:14:35glenniekwindows 7
20:15:00LambdaCalculus37glenniek: Do you have a Command Prompt open?
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20:18:17LambdaCalculus37glenniek: The command to change directories is "cd <directory name>".
20:18:59LambdaCalculus37To go down multiple directories, you would type "cd <dir>\<dir>\<dir>" (replace each <dir> with the actual name of the directory).
20:20:40glennieki can navigate all the way to the directory - it just stops at rbinstall
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20:23:41pixelmaand you have a folder called this way, maybe there's a typo somewhere?
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20:29:11glennieksorry i missed the last comment
20:30:40glenniekthe exact link is C:\Users\Glenn\Desktop\rbinstall
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20:38:08pixelmajust "Users"? (unfortunately I don't know how exactly those folders are called in Windows 7
20:38:56irc_agentsmithHi everyone .. I just found out about rockbox from surfing the internet. I'm particularly interested in being able to auto pause my ipod player when the car turns off. Can rockbox achieve this? For some reason ipod doensn't do this.
20:39:35LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, in Windows Vista and 7, all accounts go into the C:\Users folder now.
20:40:03LambdaCalculus37pixelma: So that directory glenniek posted is correct.
20:41:00LambdaCalculus37glenniek: Try typing "cd C:\Users\Glenn\Desktop\rbinstall" and seeing if it gets you into the directory. If it does, then continue to read the instructions in the manual.
20:44:43glenniekok - all working now - thanks for your time and help! Now let's see what it can do!
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20:53:33irc_agentsmithPerhaps, I should rephrase my original question a little better. I have an ipod 5.5g that I listen to through my car stereo via the cassette player. My ipod gets charged from cigarette lighter, which shuts off power when the car is turned off. If I install rockbox, is there a feature which senses the on/off from the cigarette lighter, and would in turn, put the ipod device to sleep?
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20:55:26pixelmathere is a "Car Adapter Mode" setting, I can't tell you if/how well it works on the Ipods though. I think it should work with current builds or the upcoming release 3.7 (neither have an Ipod nor a car)
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20:57:41irc_agentsmiththank you pixelma. I found it! googled "Car Adapter Mode" and rockbox.
20:57:41irc_agentsmith "When using the player in a car, Car Adapter Mode automatically stops playback on the player when power (i.e. from cigarette lighter power adapter) to the external DC in jack is turned off. If the Car Adapter Mode is set to On, Rockbox will pause playback when the external power off condition is detected. Rockbox will then shutdown the player after the length of time set in the Idle Poweroff setting (see above). If power t
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21:43:06LambdaCalculus37I was wondering about something... we still have the code for the iriver iFP7XX in SVN, and from what I can gather on the wiki, the port status would be equivalent to "Unusable". Shouldn't the port be listed on the front page as such?
21:43:45LambdaCalculus37Perhaps even list it on this chart:
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21:53:50CIA-6New commit by b0hoon (r28367): HDD6330: fix some values in config (USB PID, battery capacity), insert commented out ATA DMA.
21:55:24tmzt_iFP are the small daps?
21:55:38CIA-6r28367 build result: All green
21:57:15LambdaCalculus37tmzt_: Those are the small flash-based iriver DAPs.
21:57:46tmzt_have one somewhere not that model though
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22:01:26n1si don't think it's much use listing it anywhere as i would be very surprised if it works at all or even builds
22:02:02n1sand the only guy working on it vanished years ago
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22:14:31wodzpixelma, AlexP: I uploaded corrected version of imageviewer patch. Despite cosmetic changes (uniform indentation of sources) it is what I am going to commit. Please test if you can.
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22:25:03saratoganot much sense worrying about the ifp
22:25:15saratogamodern rockbox needs more RAM then it has, which is why tomas lost interest in the port i think
22:25:39saratogaeven back in the day getting stable rockbox on it woul dhave been veyr hard, and probably needed rombox
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22:34:04wodzZagor, Badger: This is archive with mpio hd200 bootloader v1 (+ rockbox-info.txt + Please uploade this to the download server - Thanks.
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22:35:35Bagderis mpio the manufacturer name?
22:35:52*Bagder ponders about dir name hierarchy for that
22:36:32pixelmawodz: will try later
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22:39:37Bagderwodz: done!
22:39:47Bagderput under bootloader/mpio/hd200/
22:39:49wodzpixelma: v7 has aspect correction so you should see difference on your ondio
22:41:15pixelmagreat, thanks :)
22:41:56wodzShould I add edit something or it will be listed somewhere magically?
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22:44:07pixelmahmm, there's no HD200 manual yet?
22:45:20wodzthis is no 3 on my TODO (after commiting MAS and png stuff)
22:45:37pixelmaah :)
22:45:56wodzI'll put link to the bootloader on the wiki for now
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22:56:27wodzhmm what should I do if firmware upgrade files (needed to flash rockbox bootloader) are no longer available for download?
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23:30:06CIA-6New commit by mc2739 (r28368): Enable line out on c200v1 - part of FS #11367 by me - Thanks to Nate for testing
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23:31:52CIA-6r28368 build result: All green
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23:34:07bertrikmc2739, doesn't this use more current?
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23:36:19bertrikoh, a few other sansas are already doing this (unconditionally?) too
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23:42:08mc2739bertrik: funman did a battery bench on the fuze and the difference was insignificant.
23:42:55bertrikbut measureably less runtime?
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23:43:26mc2739I assume (maybe incorrectly) that it would be the same for the c200
23:44:38mc2739iirc, it was a a couple of minutes, which you can also get just running consecutive battery benches
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23:49:10bertrikIIRC, people were concerned for runtime loss of less than 3 percent when I brought up the sample rate accuracy patch for AMSv1
23:50:06bertrikI don't worry about runtime loss from this patch too much to be honest.
23:50:41bertrikIt's just I can imagine that we can autodetect when line-out is needed and when not
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