| 00:03:31 | TheSeven | so there's no actual *reason* behind this other than "we just do it like that"? |
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| 00:06:12 | klapaucjusz | Hmm... the simulator is not in the menu offered by the config script? |
| 00:06:37 | saratoga | you pick a device, then pick simulator |
| 00:07:38 | klapaucjusz | Ah, right. Thanks. |
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| 00:10:11 | gevaerts | Oh, did r2800 get reverted on the 3.7 branch? |
| 00:10:16 | gevaerts | *0 |
| 00:10:35 | JdGordon | r1? |
| 00:10:56 | gevaerts | r28000 |
| 00:11:00 | gevaerts | The AMS thing |
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| 00:13:31 | pixelma | AlexP prepares a patch and asked for testers, I believe it's not commited yet though |
| 00:13:45 | pixelma | prepared too |
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| 00:17:23 | kugel | TheSeven: I think it boils down to "we don't like them", but I find a consistent (comment-)style makes code easier to read |
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| 01:08:33 | kugel | I wonder why funman removed the table from the SansaAMS page |
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| 01:37:50 | saratoga | i think people were annoying him asking about it |
| 01:38:06 | saratoga | i asked him and he said that everything was 100% anyway except for USB |
| 01:38:49 | Kiwi_Cam | Hi everyone. Could I get you guys to check my Theme? Maybe you lot might spot what I'm missing. If you run it in the simulator, you should get an idea as to what's going wrong, but I can't work out why. I've tried everything I can think of. Would a dropbox link be OK, or pastebin? Do you need to bitmaps? Thanks. |
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| 02:04:33 | Llorean | Okay, I'll bring it here and say it explicitly: I'm not against converting RaaA to absolute, only against intentionally removing the ability for people to use certain screens during the process of this. |
| 02:04:53 | JdGordon| | leave it on the ml please |
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| 02:05:10 | JdGordon| | or go pm |
| 02:05:30 | Llorean | I think this is clear from my emails, but in case someone is unable to ascertain this from the fact that in my first email openly says "I don't think it should go in until X is true" rather than "I don't think it should go in at all", I accept that this change is happening. |
| 02:05:43 | Llorean | JdGordon|: Well first off, how this change should happen is on-topic here anyway. |
| 02:05:58 | Llorean | Secondly, I want it logged somewhere what my opinion on the matter is in case someone "can't figure it out" later and wants to accuse me of more things. |
| 02:06:17 | kugel | on the ml it's logged |
| 02:06:38 | Llorean | kugel: On the ML, the person who can't figure it out isn't reading any more either. |
| 02:07:37 | Llorean | kugel: What's the argument against leaving the screens in grid mode, rather than breaking them, anyway? |
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| 02:07:48 | Llorean | if grid mode is so "unusable" as you claim, wouldn't it be just as bad to leave it in grid mode? |
| 02:08:06 | kugel | I started the topic on the ML not to continue it on IRC |
| 02:08:11 | JdGordon| | discussion of grid mode usablity is not ON TOPIC for here, take it elsewhere |
| 02:08:12 | Llorean | In terms of putting pressure on developers to "fix" it, I mean |
| 02:08:28 | Llorean | JdGordon|: How is discussion of a feature of Rockbox off-topic? |
| 02:08:40 | JdGordon| | the feature yes, weather it is useable vs stylus isnt |
| 02:08:51 | JdGordon| | it is hoever a boring discussion which you two can take to pm |
| 02:08:55 | Llorean | JdGordon|: But I didn't ask how it's usable vs stylus, at all. |
| 02:09:10 | JdGordon| | ah forget it |
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| 02:09:37 | Llorean | What I'm asking is, if the goal is to make the screens bad so that developers want to fix them, wouldn't leaving them in grid mode when the rest of the UI is absolute also accomplish this pressure? |
| 02:10:00 | kugel | i doubt |
| 02:10:04 | Llorean | Why not? |
| 02:10:20 | Llorean | If "unusably bad" isn't enough to force it, why would "literally not there any more" do it? |
| 02:10:29 | kugel | ML.... |
| 02:12:15 | Llorean | I assume that means you have an answer for the question. |
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| 02:30:20 | saratoga | does it really matter if we leave some screens in grid while we change over? |
| 02:30:32 | saratoga | that seems fine to me, most will probably be fixed pretty quickly |
| 02:30:39 | rasher | I'm not sure anyone thinks so, actually |
| 02:30:57 | saratoga | aren't there only a few major ones left? |
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| 02:31:23 | Llorean | rasher: kugel's explicitly said several times he thinks it needs to be all or nothing - if we switch over, no screen must be left in grid, so as to encourage people to work on them more after the switch |
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| 02:31:47 | saratoga | for implementation reasons? |
| 02:32:17 | Llorean | saratoga: Mainly "people are more likely to work on those screens if they're gone until someone fixes them" |
| 02:32:42 | saratoga | well either seems fine to me |
| 02:32:57 | saratoga | i figure eventually we'll want to redesign a lot of the screens for touch UIs anyway |
| 02:33:15 | Llorean | While I don't find grid mode that bad, I'm pretty sure *everyone* who'd be working on absolute mode anyway does find it that bad. |
| 02:33:28 | Llorean | So I tend to think "grid mode" is just as bad as "no screen at all" in encouraging those people to work. |
| 02:34:10 | saratoga | i was wondering how hard it would be to steal some of the native android widgets for touch screen stuff actually |
| 02:34:13 | Llorean | Meanwhile, it means the screens are there if you've read the manual and know how to manage them (though I also agree with JdGordon's point - if any of those screens are impossible to exit in grid mode, that's even worse than not having them and needs fixing in some manner) |
| 02:34:15 | saratoga | some of them are quite nice |
| 02:34:31 | Llorean | But I don't think he's watching the channel, so don't tell him I said that. |
| 02:34:38 | kugel | well, you want an indication that the mode changed, a splash, drawing borders or both; otherwise you'd not know about it. I don't want to do the work on these indicators |
| 02:35:00 | Llorean | A splash would be pretty trivial, no? |
| 02:35:09 | saratoga | i don't think we need any visual indication |
| 02:35:21 | saratoga | its a work in progress, some screens can be expected to be weird |
| 02:35:26 | saratoga | most of the important ones are already fixed |
| 02:35:33 | Llorean | saratoga: I think a visual indication that point/absolute mode is no longer in effect would be nice, if the majority of the UI accepts absolute input. |
| 02:35:56 | Llorean | But not essential, I guess. |
| 02:36:11 | saratoga | i say just switch over right now, and then add things like that as we go if people find it annoying |
| 02:36:47 | Llorean | Well, I don't know that the framework is in place for some screens to be in grid mode while the UI is in absolute? Is it? |
| 02:37:02 | kugel | no |
| 02:37:10 | kugel | that's also additional work |
| 02:37:22 | kugel | which is all wasted if you ask me |
| 02:37:36 | Llorean | It's not wasted if nobody ever fixes the screens. |
| 02:38:09 | rasher | Isn't it just a matter of temporarily changing a setting and restoring it on exit? |
| 02:38:14 | Llorean | I will agree it's wasted if the screens are adapted in a timely manner. |
| 02:38:34 | Llorean | I just am not nearly as confident as you that this will happen. |
| 02:38:44 | saratoga | how hard is it to do that? |
| 02:39:00 | saratoga | i mean if its reasonably hard then yeah, don't bother and just leave the screens busted for a while |
| 02:39:22 | saratoga | or hack a few of the important ones to grid mode i guess |
| 02:39:51 | saratoga | the idea here should be to get the Android port to a point where lots of people can use it, then let them fix it |
| 02:40:00 | saratoga | err fix its glitches I meant |
| 02:40:07 | Llorean | I don't think the Android point is the problem, so much as the other touchscreen devices. |
| 02:40:14 | Llorean | Er port. |
| 02:41:16 | saratoga | we're about to do a release, nows the time to break things |
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| 02:41:30 | saratoga | if people are bothered by it, they can help fix the screens or just stick with 3.7 |
| 02:41:38 | Llorean | I agree. After the release, the current unstable is a great time for things to get really bad. |
| 02:42:18 | saratoga | plus we've got a few patches sitting on the tracker for converting stuff to absolute mode |
| 02:42:33 | * | rasher likes the fact that afrikaans.lang was last updated 7 years ago |
| 02:42:34 | saratoga | presumably breaking those things will encourage people to look at them |
| 02:43:25 | kugel | saratoga: non of the devices in question is stable in fact |
| 02:43:34 | saratoga | isn't the mrobe? |
| 02:44:10 | kugel | not the 500 |
| 02:44:15 | saratoga | oh wrong model |
| 02:46:06 | saratoga | what about using native android widgets in rockbox? |
| 02:46:38 | saratoga | is that feasible or worthwhile? |
| 02:46:51 | kugel | neither I'd say |
| 02:47:51 | saratoga | i was thinking about borrowing the c code directly and putting it in rockbox for use on all touch devices |
| 02:48:04 | saratoga | or at least something close to it |
| 02:48:26 | saratoga | google has a pretty nice collection of open source touch ui stuff |
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| 02:49:06 | kugel | where? all android widgets are java |
| 02:49:43 | saratoga | i thought they were implemented as c libraries? |
| 02:49:59 | saratoga | isn't the whole GUI written in c and neon? |
| 02:50:04 | kugel | no |
| 02:50:29 | saratoga | so they JIT the GUI? |
| 02:50:33 | saratoga | that seems kind of crazy |
| 02:50:43 | kugel | also, let me remind you that not all android devices have neon |
| 02:51:03 | kugel | they don't even do jit pre-froyo |
| 02:51:36 | kugel | many, many of them don't have neon actually. there's a lot with arm11 chips |
| 02:52:02 | saratoga | i realize that |
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| 02:52:20 | saratoga | obviously anything you write in NEON has to have a c fallback, since android runs on non-arm devices too |
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| 03:12:18 | JdGordon| | saratoga: we havnt managed to get rockbox to use any standard ui elements at all yet, once/if that happens then maybe we can convert things to native widgets where it makes sense |
| 03:12:53 | JdGordon| | otherwise it would be rewriting the entire ui in java and just using rockbox code for the playback engine (which maybe isnt such a bad idea also) |
| 03:15:30 | rasher | And playlist engine |
| 03:16:05 | JdGordon| | sure |
| 03:16:06 | saratoga | having multiple GUIs in rockbox would be interesting |
| 03:17:09 | JdGordon| | If it can be split up more like a client/server (playback/ui) then it would be pretty fun to make a rockbox widget which could run along side the actual app |
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| 04:50:59 | icheyne | hi all |
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| 04:51:35 | icheyne | I think rockbox is displaying the time in the top right corner |
| 04:51:45 | icheyne | how can I update the time? |
| 04:52:02 | icheyne | have to say that rockbox works like a beauty on my Sansa Clip+ |
| 04:52:10 | icheyne | so happy when I saw there was a port |
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| 04:53:55 | saratoga | should be in the manual |
| 04:53:56 | JdGordon| | menu > system > time and date |
| 04:54:15 | icheyne | cool thanks guys :) |
| 04:54:29 | icheyne | (It isn't in the manual) |
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| 04:55:51 | icheyne | ok I lied |
| 04:55:54 | icheyne | it is in the manual :( |
| 04:56:07 | icheyne | I did look though |
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| 07:01:27 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: I dont suppose you got round to trying out the "have rtc" tag with %X did you? |
| 07:02:13 | JdGordon| | ... and if you want to play I can walk you through adding "have touchscreen" if you want? |
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| 07:10:44 | Simon14 | Question: I want to apply some patches I've found, is the rockbox source the same across all players? |
| 07:10:50 | [Saint] | I haven't got around to it yet, no...I've been thinking about the touchscreen tags though. Something that doesn't seem to be possible, but could be quite useful is: "if touched −−> do X; if held −−> do Y" |
| 07:11:17 | [Saint] | I'll say again, it doesn't seem to be possible, but, it may well be and I'm just missing it. |
| 07:11:17 | JdGordon| | &<action> IIRC is for a hold |
| 07:11:30 | JdGordon| | Simon14: yes |
| 07:11:46 | [Saint] | yeah, but IIUC you'd beed to set up two actions there, and the touch action would go off also |
| 07:12:07 | JdGordon| | no, the touch wont happen untill an unpress I think |
| 07:12:10 | JdGordon| | so it should work |
| 07:12:14 | [Saint] | Ah, ok. |
| 07:12:18 | JdGordon| | but yes, you need to setup two |
| 07:12:28 | Simon14 | ok, so why are there different builds for each device? anything that i need to take into consideration when i'm compiling? |
| 07:12:46 | [Saint] | "do it right" ;) |
| 07:13:01 | Simon14 | :P |
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| 07:13:44 | Simon14 | i'm just failing to see why there are different builds per device if it's the same? |
| 07:14:14 | JdGordon| | the codebase is the same, but each build has different parts of the code compiled |
| 07:14:46 | S_a_i_n_t | having a different codebase for each device would mean duplicates of foolish ammounts of files. |
| 07:16:28 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Do you know (off hand) if "settings_inc" wraps? |
| 07:16:47 | S_a_i_n_t | or will it just got to the last increment and stop? |
| 07:16:58 | JdGordon| | it should wrap |
| 07:17:00 | S_a_i_n_t | *get |
| 07:17:05 | S_a_i_n_t | thanlks. |
| 07:17:06 | JdGordon| | I would expect it to wrap |
| 07:17:26 | JdGordon| | I'm 99% sure it wraps |
| 07:17:42 | Simon14 | of course, i just didn't see where the compilations differed between devices. after a closer look, the target build is defined when running tools/configure correct? |
| 07:17:44 | JdGordon| | yeah, it definately does, or the quickscreen woudlnt work |
| 07:17:52 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 07:18:33 | S_a_i_n_t | sweet...I'd like to use that (in combination with the future (is touchscreen?)) to just tap the repeat icon, as it would suck have seperate areas for rep_up and rep_dwn. |
| 07:19:00 | S_a_i_n_t | having it wrap if you make a mistake is a way better compromise |
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| 07:20:35 | S_a_i_n_t | I want to use the (future) "is_touchscreen" to display the rep/shuffle icons fulltime if "touchscreen" == true...as I don't want them onscreen fulltime in the non-touchscreen version. |
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| 07:21:06 | JdGordon| | in ilike? |
| 07:21:19 | S_a_i_n_t | It'll take some thinking but I think I can make quite a decent touchscreen theme out of the Apple theme |
| 07:21:20 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah. |
| 07:21:33 | JdGordon| | doesnt the of always show those icons also? |
| 07:21:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Nup |
| 07:26:49 | JdGordon| | hmm, would %T(x,y,w,h, action, &hold_action) be sensible? |
| 07:27:05 | JdGordon| | only one being required of course |
| 07:27:49 | S_a_i_n_t | If it can be done as you say, and the held action won;t set off the touched action once it fires...I don't really see the point. |
| 07:28:00 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll check how it actually works in the sim later on. |
| 07:28:04 | JdGordon| | %T(x,y,w,h, settings_inc, foo, &settings_dec, bar) could be nasty |
| 07:29:39 | JdGordon| | well the point would be simpler skin code, if it does actually make it easier |
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| 07:30:06 | JdGordon| | one less line to write at the very least |
| 07:30:08 | S_a_i_n_t | well, I'll have to step out of the converation then ;) |
| 07:30:13 | S_a_i_n_t | We seem to have different opinions of "simpler" :p |
| 07:30:19 | JdGordon| | hehe indeed |
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| 07:30:53 | JdGordon| | I havnt suggested %T(x,y,w,h, %?**<action|other action>) |
| 07:30:58 | JdGordon| | although...... :D |
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| 07:43:35 | Simon14 | is anyone running the vmware image under VirtualBox? |
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| 09:01:48 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: ok, if you do get to testing it.. I'm pretty sure you cant (currently) use it with true/false (i.e for conditional image/backdrop loading) |
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| 09:01:57 | JdGordon| | but I tihnk http://pastebin.com/LR0fwv4x will fix that |
| 09:02:23 | JdGordon| | %?cc<%X(rtc.bmp)|%X(nortc.bmp)> should work |
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| 09:04:58 | AlexP | gevaerts: Yeah, I'm about to - I'm just waiting for one of the affected people to get back to me to check it works. kugel checked on his non-affected fuze, and that still works which is good :) |
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| 09:05:56 | S_a_i_n_t | Just to refresh my memory...what is it I'm testing with the "have rtc?" tag? |
| 09:06:03 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: ^ |
| 09:06:32 | JdGordon| | if the correct side is parsed |
| 09:06:52 | JdGordon| | like the above, or even to not bother loading a bunch of images if there is no point |
| 09:07:15 | S_a_i_n_t | ah...right. is it specific to %X? |
| 09:07:21 | S_a_i_n_t | or...just any tag? |
| 09:07:59 | JdGordon| | any, %X will be obvious |
| 09:08:09 | JdGordon| | as with %xl (it should complain if you use the same id) |
| 09:08:26 | JdGordon| | you could even put a parse error in one side and see if it gets hit |
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| 09:08:48 | JdGordon| | I'm pretty sure svn will always do the false side, that patch should make it only do the *correct* side |
| 09:09:42 | S_a_i_n_t | wouldn't you want it to do both? |
| 09:09:47 | JdGordon| | no |
| 09:09:53 | S_a_i_n_t | why? |
| 09:10:04 | S_a_i_n_t | if rtc...do this...if not, do that. |
| 09:10:09 | S_a_i_n_t | seems sensible to me. |
| 09:10:29 | JdGordon| | right, but the target wont magically change from yes rtc to no rtc during one rockbox session |
| 09:11:02 | S_a_i_n_t | no...but there's possibly themes that share screensize, but do/don't have rtc |
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| 09:11:15 | S_a_i_n_t | s/themes/targets/ |
| 09:11:31 | JdGordon| | exactly thats what this is for |
| 09:11:59 | S_a_i_n_t | so...I don't see why it doesn't need to parse both true and false. |
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| 09:12:30 | JdGordon| | %?cc<%X(rtc.bmp)|%X(nortc.bmp)> will show a different backdrop image depending on the target. that line will fail if both sides are parsed on target |
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| 09:12:43 | JdGordon| | actually it will always show nortc.bmp |
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| 09:13:50 | S00row | jdgordon|: I applied the patch you asked me to test for RaaA two days ago - what was it you wanted me to test? |
| 09:14:06 | JdGordon| | what was the patch? |
| 09:14:09 | JdGordon| | I dont remember :p |
| 09:14:40 | JdGordon| | oh yes, just make sure things that read/write to the /.rockbox folder work.. so themes, fonts, codecs, |
| 09:16:12 | S00row | jdgordon|: 11575 |
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| 09:19:10 | S00row | How does one quit RaaA? |
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| 09:25:17 | S_a_i_n_t | manually |
| 09:27:35 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: Not helpful |
| 09:27:38 | AlexP | S00row: I may be wrong, but from what I've read here I don't think you can from within it |
| 09:28:14 | AlexP | However, JdGord or kugel will be better placed to help :) |
| 09:29:00 | S00row | Thanks AlexP figured i was missing something. Not sure how i'm to test that rw to .rockbox is working without changing settings, quit, restart |
| 09:29:57 | S_a_i_n_t | you can try just creating/deleting a directory from withing rockbox. |
| 09:30:01 | S_a_i_n_t | or renaming a file. |
| 09:30:55 | S00row | jdgordon: Create Directory Failed flashed up |
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| 09:33:49 | JdGord | Where? |
| 09:36:23 | S00row | Crap - Switched back to 3x3 mode, what is 'ok' in 3x3? |
| 09:38:29 | S00row | jdgord: I think i tried to create it outside the sd card. I'm attempting to create a directory on the sdcard now, but i'm lost on how to 'enter' in 3x3 mode |
| 09:38:44 | JdGord | Middle right |
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| 09:39:06 | S00row | That moves the cursor |
| 09:39:26 | JdGord | Or use the ball if the build is new enough |
| 09:39:48 | S00row | Also moves the cursor |
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| 09:41:36 | JdGord | Push the ball for select |
| 09:43:46 | S00row | Bottom right cancels, top right, top left move the cursor left/right, left/right/up/down move the cursor, bottom left deletes, center selects the current character, left/right on trackball moves text cursor (not box) left/right, downpress on ball gives no reaction |
| 09:43:59 | S00row | time for an svn update? |
| 09:44:13 | JdGord | Ah. In the keyboard? |
| 09:44:21 | JdGord | Forgedaboufit |
| 09:44:36 | JdGord | Hardware.back button? |
| 09:44:39 | rasher | One does not quit android apps, generally |
| 09:44:47 | rasher | I hope Rockbox will be no different |
| 09:44:58 | rasher | Don't know if it's there yet |
| 09:46:12 | S00row | I'd like to be able to quit it - i generally won't but its useful. jdgord: Hardware back didn't respond in keyboard mode either. Bottom right allows me to leave. How should I go about testing rw without keyboard |
| 09:46:13 | JdGord | As far as the user is concerned it does exit |
| 09:46:40 | rasher | S00row: just hit the home button |
| 09:46:41 | JdGord | Don't bother :) |
| 09:46:44 | rasher | and it's "gone" |
| 09:47:39 | S00row | jdgord: Sure? |
| 09:48:27 | JdGord | Yeah. Ill do this testing more properly |
| 09:48:28 | JdGord | Thanks anyway |
| 09:50:43 | S00row | Which user manual should I read through to get a rockbox overview, that is most 'similar' to Raaa |
| 09:51:26 | S00row | And can you change the name to RockDroid - RaaA is getting tedious ;) |
| 09:51:35 | rasher | D2 |
| 09:51:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Rock<Blah> is GREATLY overused. |
| 09:52:02 | S_a_i_n_t | and tiresome. |
| 09:52:19 | JdGord | Rocksroidbox |
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| 10:30:09 | kugel | S00row: raaa is just a handle for the application port. the software is still called Rockbox, and that won't change |
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| 11:29:17 | * | JdGordon can show a native android window from the framebuffer :) |
| 11:29:35 | JdGordon | this means it shuold be almost straightforward to get a native keyword input working |
| 11:31:47 | JdGordon | ... hopefully |
| 11:31:47 | S_a_i_n_t | haha! nice ;) |
| 11:32:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Nope! you've spoken now! we all expect it! |
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| 12:11:20 | JdGordon | FUCK YOU MUCHLY eclipse |
| 12:11:29 | JdGordon | erm... wrong window |
| 12:12:02 | Stummi | :) |
| 12:12:31 | Stummi | what would be the right windows for this? ;) |
| 12:12:45 | S_a_i_n_t | #eclipe |
| 12:13:00 | S_a_i_n_t | dammit..poor time for a typo. |
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| 12:46:38 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: Any luck? |
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| 12:59:08 | CIA-6 | New commit by teru (r28364): fix that disktidy plugin and shopper plugin is not usable when Show Icons setting is turned off. |
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| 13:09:33 | wodz | AlexP: Today I tested png viewer on my mpio (CF) and ipod mini (PP). The total time (from click to image shown) is the same for both devices after my changes (and less than 5s for United Kingdom Flag). I made tests with other optimizations but I gained only speedup ~10% of total time with MUCH code complexity added. |
| 13:09:58 | AlexP | wodz: Sounds good to me, thanks very much for taking the effort |
| 13:11:59 | wodz | I'll commit this after 3.7 |
| 13:18:36 | S_a_i_n_t | teru: Didn't you already commit that? |
| 13:18:41 | teru | wodz: it is nice if you could fix indentations. i think i saw some lines are not indendet when i last looked the patch. |
| 13:19:03 | teru | S_a_i_n_t: it is for ver3.7 branch |
| 13:19:10 | S_a_i_n_t | ah. |
| 13:21:18 | wodz | teru: yes this is on my TODO list before commiting |
| 13:22:36 | teru | oh, good. thanks. |
| 13:28:04 | wodz | btw. do we have some settings established to automate process with indent command? |
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| 14:10:19 | * | JdGordon is so close to having a working android host keyboard input :/ |
| 14:18:45 | JdGordon | \o/ it works! |
| 14:21:22 | kugel | how did you do it? |
| 14:22:03 | JdGordon | create an activity from the service.fb (which gets the current activity passed in in resume() ) |
| 14:22:09 | JdGordon | its pretty messy, but it works |
| 14:22:55 | kugel | via intent? |
| 14:23:02 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:23:34 | kugel | I was under the impression you could make intents from the service as well |
| 14:23:38 | JdGordon | rockbox goes into a sleep(HZ/10) loop waiting for the reply which is also a bit nasty |
| 14:23:59 | JdGordon | I'll put up the diff once I clean up a bit |
| 14:25:27 | kugel | you can probably replace the sleep() with a wakeup_wait() |
| 14:26:45 | tmzt_ | JdGordon: does the rockbox so call into java to request keyboard events? |
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| 14:26:57 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:27:15 | tmzt_ | from what I can tell you treat it as a hardware device, which I need the opposite behavior for what I'm doing |
| 14:27:27 | tmzt_ | you get anywhere with native debugging? |
| 14:27:34 | JdGordon | wait what? and no |
| 14:27:42 | JdGordon | DEBUGF() is all we have |
| 14:28:17 | tmzt_ | oh, I was able to get gdbserver working but only when testing a standalone app, still can't get this lauded jni debugging to work |
| 14:28:19 | kugel | you can apparently hook up gdb for native debugging but I never got it to work |
| 14:29:07 | kugel | tmzt_: could you document how you did it somewhere? |
| 14:30:39 | tmzt_ | for the standalone? I just run ./gdbserver :port ./app from adb shell as root |
| 14:31:22 | tmzt_ | how is the decoding thread handled, is it a native thread or created from java? |
| 14:31:33 | tmzt_ | I'll have to look at the source again |
| 14:32:49 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11703 |
| 14:37:08 | tmzt_ | this is what I'm doing http://gist.github.com/648945 |
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| 14:38:42 | tmzt_ | you might also look at connectbot which has an efficient way of managing hard and soft keyboards that actually works, as well as a clean way of delivering the keystrokes to jni processes (but running as a terminal of course) |
| 14:39:09 | JdGordon | two seperate topics here |
| 14:39:24 | JdGordon | what I've done is replace the on screen keybaord which sucks with a native ui |
| 14:39:42 | JdGordon | we might also want proper keyboard handling which will have to do something completly different |
| 14:39:43 | tmzt_ | native as in rockbox native? |
| 14:39:52 | JdGordon | native as in java |
| 14:40:04 | tmzt_ | okay, same terminology I've been using :) |
| 14:40:29 | tmzt_ | so you request an entire string and block in the c code for it? |
| 14:40:36 | JdGordon | yes :( |
| 14:40:55 | JdGordon | which isnt really a problem because that code blocks the main thread anyway |
| 14:41:34 | tmzt_ | maybe you could call up the keyboard request and just deliver the keystroke back when finished? or the problem is the bit field for keys in rockbox drivers? |
| 14:41:41 | tmzt_ | keystrokes |
| 14:42:58 | JdGordon | the way I did keycodes for sdl is have a single BUTTON_ASCII and then the keycode in the button data which is usually used for the touch position |
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| 14:44:06 | tmzt_ | why wouldn't that work the same way? just batch them in java call into c |
| 14:44:18 | JdGordon | it probably would |
| 14:44:24 | tmzt_ | I've had *some* success with posix locking |
| 14:46:47 | JdGordon | now, how do I create a nice ui which doesnt use up the whole screen and just centers the edit field and some buttons? |
| 14:47:02 | JdGordon | in java that is |
| 14:47:12 | JdGordon | eclipses ui editor is a peice of shit |
| 14:48:35 | tmzt_ | edit the xml, and talk to romain |
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| 15:25:27 | S_a_i_n_t | teru: do you plan to commit FS #11682 Disktidy Plugin Does Not Clean Custom Files? |
| 15:25:52 | S_a_i_n_t | I have been using it since you added it, and it works very well. |
| 15:26:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Th eonly thing that concerns me about it is that you can add "*.*" as matching criteria and have the plugin attempt to erase the disk ;p |
| 15:26:47 | S_a_i_n_t | *The only |
| 15:28:05 | teru | probably i'll commit it after 3.7 is released. |
| 15:29:00 | pixelma | maybe .rockbox should be "secured" too |
| 15:29:09 | teru | "*.*" will not work since it only recognise first "*". |
| 15:30:21 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: mind you, if someone specifically adds ",rockbox" they're kinda asking for it ;) |
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| 15:51:08 | Marker[buntu] | hi all, who can help me ? when I try to compile rockbox on linux it talk me this: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24066 |
| 15:51:29 | Torne | you haven't built the compiler. Follow the build instructions. |
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| 15:53:14 | Stummi | Marker[buntu], in best case, you just has to type "tools/rockboxdev.sh" from your root |
| 15:53:34 | Stummi | this will take some times |
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| 15:56:43 | Marker[buntu] | Ok, now i will try it |
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| 16:27:48 | n1s | hmm, why do test_codec crash with ogg vorbis in the sim but on just playing the file? |
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| 16:31:34 | n1s | tlsf trying to deref a null pointer, awesome |
| 16:31:49 | n1s | why does this only happen with test_codec though? |
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| 16:43:45 | n1s | ah, awesome, return of init_memory_pool is not checked |
| 16:46:51 | n1s | heh, a function with return type size_t returning -1 on error isn't very helpful |
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| 16:57:22 | Marker689 | Ok, I have compiled this, and i have one question: how can I add patches to firmware ? |
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| 16:57:35 | Marker689 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3037?type=4 for example |
| 16:58:17 | nerdy_kid | I can't seem to get my video to encode with mp3 (for various reasons I dont know) but I can get it to encode with mp2. Will that work as well with mpgplayer? thanks |
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| 17:02:27 | S_a_i_n_t | nerdy_kid: try the manual...pretty sure it states only mpeg3 |
| 17:03:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Marker689: read up on the wiki about using the "patch" command |
| 17:03:41 | S_a_i_n_t | s/wiki/rockbox wiki/ |
| 17:04:15 | | Part Zagor |
| 17:04:53 | nerdy_kid | S_a_i_n_t it says "MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files" so i guess mp2 would work, I am just wondering if it would be slower/not as good/etc. for some reason ffmpeg refuses to encode mp3 >-O |
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| 17:07:23 | CIA-6 | New commit by nls (r28365): test_codec: Align the codec buffer to pointer size, since tlsf wants that. Fixes a crash when running tremor in test_codec on 64 bit sim. (The tlsf ... |
| 17:07:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I tell a lie, apparently mpeg1 and 2 are supported for playback. |
| 17:08:51 | EvanCarroll | AlexP: I just tried to download that one on filebin its down, I forgot my sansa last night |
| 17:09:00 | CIA-6 | r28365 build result: All green |
| 17:09:05 | S_a_i_n_t | I also note that I accidentally typed mpeg3 earlier, as opposed to mpeg2 |
| 17:09:09 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry for the confusion |
| 17:09:18 | S_a_i_n_t | nerdy_kid: ^ |
| 17:09:18 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: Down as in you have it, or down as in you can't get it? |
| 17:09:25 | EvanCarroll | I can't get it |
| 17:09:28 | EvanCarroll | http://filebin.ca/nccta/rockbox-e200v2.zip |
| 17:09:30 | AlexP | OK, I'll re upload |
| 17:09:31 | EvanCarroll | just hangs |
| 17:09:34 | AlexP | One mo |
| 17:10:13 | nerdy_kid | S_a_i_n_t ok thanks :) |
| 17:11:30 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: I think you're mixing video and audio formats here |
| 17:11:59 | pixelma | audio format "in" the video |
| 17:12:10 | AlexP | anyone know of a filebin alternative? |
| 17:12:30 | S_a_i_n_t | datafilehost.com |
| 17:12:35 | AlexP | ta |
| 17:13:13 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-f6ad10fd.html |
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| 17:38:42 | * | TheSeven wonders if anybody read the nano2g stable proposal |
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| 17:39:04 | AlexP | I did! |
| 17:39:11 | AlexP | I'll reply tonight fwiw |
| 17:39:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | I did as well! |
| 17:39:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think that it's ready for stable status. |
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| 17:48:38 | n1s | I did too but din't have time to write a reply this morning and then forgot about it, i agree that it's ready for stable |
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| 18:03:06 | mc2739 | AlexP: FWIW, I tested your e200v2 build and did not notice any problems, although I was not having the problem caused by r28000 |
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| 18:16:54 | wodz | what do you think about http://www.pastie.org/1253074 as a reference code style for rb? |
| 18:18:29 | gevaerts | AlexP: great! |
| 18:19:02 | AlexP | mc2739: Cool thanks - just need someone with the problem to confirm it has gone away |
| 18:19:59 | EvanCarroll | AlexP: that build is all kinds of bad |
| 18:20:07 | wodz | I mean code formated with this script |
| 18:20:33 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: ah, doesn't work? Interesting - all I did is revert r28000 |
| 18:20:37 | EvanCarroll | not at all |
| 18:20:48 | EvanCarroll | the IO randomly changes settings too |
| 18:20:54 | AlexP | eh? |
| 18:21:09 | EvanCarroll | the left channel keeps poping out, and when hit a file it will randomly enable party mode or queue the file |
| 18:21:17 | EvanCarroll | which are settings that I didn't even use before |
| 18:21:27 | AlexP | I don't see how that is possible |
| 18:21:32 | EvanCarroll | Clicking a file gives me Queue Last |
| 18:21:40 | EvanCarroll | I just unzipped in the directory and did a replace all |
| 18:21:59 | AlexP | Really all I did was revert r28000, and it works fine on non-affected units |
| 18:22:03 | EvanCarroll | FF/RW doesn't even work |
| 18:22:30 | AlexP | Who made the previous version for you that works? I'll ask them for the source |
| 18:22:42 | EvanCarroll | bertik or something like that |
| 18:22:44 | EvanCarroll | I don't have the logs |
| 18:22:54 | AlexP | bertrik, you there? |
| 18:23:00 | wodz | I would suggest to do clean settings or make clean install even |
| 18:23:13 | AlexP | yeah, try that if you don't mind |
| 18:23:52 | EvanCarroll | how do i do that? |
| 18:24:13 | S_a_i_n_t | remove your .cfg, or judt delete the .rockbox folder |
| 18:24:15 | AlexP | easiest is probably just to delete the .rockbox directory first |
| 18:24:27 | AlexP | It'll reset settings though |
| 18:24:28 | S_a_i_n_t | keep your .cfg for backup if you want to though. |
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| 18:28:49 | EvanCarroll | there we go |
| 18:28:52 | EvanCarroll | interesting |
| 18:28:58 | AlexP | working? |
| 18:29:02 | EvanCarroll | yar |
| 18:29:06 | AlexP | cool :) |
| 18:29:15 | EvanCarroll | I wonder if I replace with my old config if it nukes it |
| 18:29:17 | AlexP | I wonder what on earth was going on before |
| 18:29:24 | AlexP | Yeah, would be interesting to try |
| 18:29:26 | EvanCarroll | I had a different theme and backlight setting and some other stuff |
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| 18:31:05 | EvanCarroll | you know with all the stuff about the rarity of this problem |
| 18:31:10 | EvanCarroll | I wonder if it isn't in the config |
| 18:31:19 | wodz | I observed that sometime old config makes all sort of funny things. |
| 18:31:24 | EvanCarroll | it seems like no one knows anything about it |
| 18:31:47 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: Maybe it is worth trying a current build, having deleted .rockbox? (if you haven't already) |
| 18:32:07 | EvanCarroll | I'm not sure I have, its always worked fine |
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| 18:32:41 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: If you don't mind it'd be good just to double check |
| 18:34:22 | EvanCarroll | hahah |
| 18:34:25 | EvanCarroll | It is repeatable |
| 18:34:27 | EvanCarroll | !!! |
| 18:34:39 | AlexP | So it doesn't work with a current build? |
| 18:34:44 | EvanCarroll | I backed up my config, replaced it again, and now the abnormalities are back |
| 18:34:49 | EvanCarroll | No, i'm still on your build |
| 18:34:58 | AlexP | er, what the hell? |
| 18:35:00 | EvanCarroll | I replaced my old config on your build |
| 18:35:10 | EvanCarroll | and now clicking on the files queues them and FF/RW are broke |
| 18:35:10 | AlexP | OK, so the config is fucking it somehow |
| 18:35:17 | EvanCarroll | major fucking it |
| 18:35:20 | AlexP | Could you post your config.cfg? |
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| 18:35:37 | AlexP | to pastebin.com or somesuch |
| 18:35:56 | AlexP | And if you could try with reset settings and current build, that'd be fab |
| 18:36:31 | EvanCarroll | sure, let me send you my config, because from what I'm seeing it would totally fuck the user experience if someone upgraded to 3.7 without a reset of the config |
| 18:36:34 | EvanCarroll | If they had my settings |
| 18:36:46 | EvanCarroll | because I can't FF/RW and picking a different track seems to work totally randomly |
| 18:36:58 | EvanCarroll | I can't pause either with this config |
| 18:37:07 | AlexP | yeah, it'd be nice to find out what setting is doing that, and how the hell it is doing it |
| 18:37:33 | EvanCarroll | clicking the files just brings up a prompty that says Queue Last |
| 18:37:37 | EvanCarroll | this is really rather amusing |
| 18:38:08 | EvanCarroll | the first file i pick works |
| 18:38:13 | EvanCarroll | the rest of them jsut queue last |
| 18:38:45 | EvanCarroll | http://gist.github.com/649409 |
| 18:38:47 | EvanCarroll | that's the diff |
| 18:39:23 | EvanCarroll | you can see it is pretty basic stuff, I pretty much just listen to long audio books. |
| 18:39:31 | EvanCarroll | I'm not a "power user" with EQ voodoo or anything |
| 18:40:01 | pixelma | guess it's the "Party Mode" setting, could you turn it off? |
| 18:40:10 | pixelma | maybe "Skip Length" too |
| 18:40:37 | bertrik | aha, party mode :) |
| 18:40:44 | EvanCarroll | I didn't have party mode on though |
| 18:40:47 | EvanCarroll | I guarenttee it |
| 18:40:51 | EvanCarroll | The build turned it on |
| 18:41:14 | AlexP | Is that your backed up one? |
| 18:42:34 | EvanCarroll | now it works |
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| 18:43:10 | EvanCarroll | yea, but when I first installed this download options were turning off and on by moving the scroll wheel. |
| 18:43:24 | EvanCarroll | but party mode was causing the Queue Last things, and the broken play/pause FW/RW |
| 18:43:32 | EvanCarroll | or, rather whatever that funky mode entails |
| 18:43:36 | EvanCarroll | I'm sure it is by design |
| 18:43:47 | * | S_a_i_n_t doubts that. |
| 18:43:59 | S_a_i_n_t | party mode != "randomise my settings" ;) |
| 18:44:15 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: So we should try reset settings with a current build :) |
| 18:44:36 | EvanCarroll | yea, will try now |
| 18:45:43 | AlexP | cheers |
| 18:47:44 | EvanCarroll | nope |
| 18:48:04 | EvanCarroll | clicking in the left channel |
| 18:48:09 | EvanCarroll | just like before |
| 18:48:34 | AlexP | OK, so it looks like reverting is needed, but there is an additional funky settings issue |
| 18:48:53 | AlexP | I'll commit the revert for the release, and then we can think about the settings |
| 18:50:09 | EvanCarroll | is there anything I can help trouble shoot on the issue? |
| 18:51:05 | AlexP | not sure, maybe :) |
| 18:51:07 | AlexP | one mo |
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| 18:53:33 | CIA-6 | New commit by alex (r28366): Revert r28000 on the 3.7 release branch, as for as yet unknow reasons it causes playback issues on a small number of players. Thanks to Evan Carroll ... |
| 18:54:38 | EvanCarroll | for what its worth the playback issues are in the left channel and more likely during the start of the playback |
| 18:58:47 | AlexP | As for what breaks it, I guess you could take your saved config, and remove all but one item to see if you can find which it is |
| 18:59:55 | EvanCarroll | Does Partymode just do that? |
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| 19:00:09 | EvanCarroll | disable FF/RW/Pause/Play and Queue Last rather than Jump to Song |
| 19:00:28 | EvanCarroll | I mean, that settings is totally not wanted for my use case, but I assume that was someones intention |
| 19:00:46 | Simon14 | is it possible to change the "random" playmode so that the playlist is in some sort of order (song name/artist) and ls |
| 19:00:50 | EvanCarroll | a better question is how did partymode come to be enabled when I tried your build, because I'm 100% sure it wasn't enabled previously |
| 19:00:59 | Simon14 | and the next song is randomly chosen? |
| 19:01:00 | EvanCarroll | Or at least, if it was, it didn't act like that |
| 19:01:03 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: yes, apparently: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200v2/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1220007.6 |
| 19:01:50 | EvanCarroll | anyway, problem fixed. the issue was party mode was enabled, how it got enabled I have no idea and couldn't get it to repeat itself |
| 19:03:14 | AlexP | Simon14: You mean keep the playlist fixed, but jump around in it? If so, no I don't think so |
| 19:03:33 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: Well, that problem - the strange issue with r28000 is still there |
| 19:03:39 | EvanCarroll | yes |
| 19:03:41 | EvanCarroll | true |
| 19:03:46 | Simon14 | dang, i like that method so much more. oh well |
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| 19:04:07 | AlexP | EvanCarroll: At least 3.7 should work for you :) |
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| 19:04:38 | EvanCarroll | hey, I've got USB =) that's why I upgraded from the first working AMS build |
| 19:04:48 | EvanCarroll | and USB works well now with large transfers |
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| 19:24:48 | orzo | hello |
| 19:25:03 | orzo | i have questions more about rhythmbox but i dont know a channel for it |
| 19:25:10 | orzo | but i have a rockbox player |
| 19:25:26 | orzo | and i opened a playlist file from it in rhythm box |
| 19:25:35 | orzo | and it doesnt seem to work, but i now seethe file under playlists |
| 19:25:48 | orzo | well if its not going to work, i dont want it showing there, so i could select "delete" |
| 19:25:56 | orzo | but i'm afraid it will delete the file off my rockbox player |
| 19:28:53 | S_a_i_n_t | you're quite right...this isn;t a Rockbox question |
| 19:29:31 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm sure RhythmBox has it's own support forums |
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| 19:32:04 | Simon14 | man.. updating the ARM compiles took a good 20mins i think |
| 19:32:07 | Simon14 | if not more |
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| 19:36:00 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not updating it, it's building it from scratch. |
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| 19:38:20 | Simon14 | oh i thought the dev came with arm but it needed to be updated. i knew that the arm source was fetched and built |
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| 19:42:54 | orzo | okay, real rockbox question. I'm unclear on how to use the sd card with rockbox. DO i need to turn off the player whenever i remove or insert a card? |
| 19:44:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | orzo: What device is this for? |
| 19:45:47 | Simon14 | so after running 'tools/rockboxdev.sh' and running make i get an error: 'as: unrecognized option '-Qy'' which from what i've read is something to do with confusing as |
| 19:46:05 | orzo | e280 |
| 19:46:07 | orzo | sanda |
| 19:46:08 | orzo | sansa |
| 19:46:09 | orzo | sorry |
| 19:47:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | orzo: You can insert an SD card while the device is on. |
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| 19:48:04 | orzo | and also remove it while it is on? |
| 19:48:27 | | Part The-Compiler |
| 19:48:52 | orzo | i know computers typically want me to click "safely remove" or something like |
| 19:49:07 | orzo | but rockbox maybe does no caching? |
| 19:51:41 | linuxstb | orzo: Your computer could also be caching. |
| 19:54:32 | orzo | uh |
| 19:54:51 | orzo | i know the computer caches, that's why it wants me to click "safely remove" before I pull a card out |
| 19:55:07 | Simon14 | i've got gcc 3.3.5 (from the vmware image) do i need to update that? |
| 19:55:08 | orzo | the question is, does rockbox have a "safely remove" or is it always safe to pull a card out ? |
| 19:55:34 | alexbobP | I don't think rockbox does write caching |
| 19:55:43 | alexbobP | I'm not a dev but it's my impression that once the file copy dialog is done you can pull your card |
| 19:56:29 | orzo | well thanks |
| 19:56:58 | Simon14 | i'll try back later |
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| 20:00:21 | glenniek | hi there can anybody help me with a manual install of rockbox onto a sansa clip= |
| 20:00:27 | glenniek | clip |
| 20:00:33 | glenniek | clip+ |
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| 20:02:26 | glenniek | hi can anybody help me with a manual install of rockbox onto a clip+ |
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| 20:05:36 | pixelma | are you following the explanation in our manual and why a manual install? |
| 20:06:08 | pixelma | note: I don't have a Clip+ and don't know the procedure |
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| 20:09:15 | glenniek | automated install will not work with the newest clip+ |
| 20:11:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | glenniek: The manual should have all of the instructions you need to install Rockbox on a Clip+. AFAIK the procedure is similar to other AMS Sansas. http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2 |
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| 20:12:48 | glenniek | my problem may be basic but when i try and navigate to my 'rbinstall' folder the command prompt states "rbinstall' is not recognised as an internal or external command, operatble program or batch file" - it has the bootloader and evrything in it |
| 20:13:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | glenniek: What OS are you using? |
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| 20:14:35 | glenniek | windows 7 |
| 20:14:39 | glenniek | 64 |
| 20:15:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | glenniek: Do you have a Command Prompt open? |
| 20:15:07 | glenniek | yes |
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| 20:18:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | glenniek: The command to change directories is "cd <directory name>". |
| 20:18:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | To go down multiple directories, you would type "cd <dir>\<dir>\<dir>" (replace each <dir> with the actual name of the directory). |
| 20:20:40 | glenniek | i can navigate all the way to the directory - it just stops at rbinstall |
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| 20:23:41 | pixelma | and you have a folder called this way, maybe there's a typo somewhere? |
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| 20:29:11 | glenniek | sorry i missed the last comment |
| 20:30:40 | glenniek | the exact link is C:\Users\Glenn\Desktop\rbinstall |
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| 20:38:08 | pixelma | just "Users"? (unfortunately I don't know how exactly those folders are called in Windows 7 |
| 20:38:56 | irc_agentsmith | Hi everyone .. I just found out about rockbox from surfing the internet. I'm particularly interested in being able to auto pause my ipod player when the car turns off. Can rockbox achieve this? For some reason ipod doensn't do this. |
| 20:39:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Yes, in Windows Vista and 7, all accounts go into the C:\Users folder now. |
| 20:40:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: So that directory glenniek posted is correct. |
| 20:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | glenniek: Try typing "cd C:\Users\Glenn\Desktop\rbinstall" and seeing if it gets you into the directory. If it does, then continue to read the instructions in the manual. |
| 20:44:43 | glenniek | ok - all working now - thanks for your time and help! Now let's see what it can do! |
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| 20:53:33 | irc_agentsmith | Perhaps, I should rephrase my original question a little better. I have an ipod 5.5g that I listen to through my car stereo via the cassette player. My ipod gets charged from cigarette lighter, which shuts off power when the car is turned off. If I install rockbox, is there a feature which senses the on/off from the cigarette lighter, and would in turn, put the ipod device to sleep? |
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| 20:55:26 | pixelma | there is a "Car Adapter Mode" setting, I can't tell you if/how well it works on the Ipods though. I think it should work with current builds or the upcoming release 3.7 (neither have an Ipod nor a car) |
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| 20:57:41 | irc_agentsmith | thank you pixelma. I found it! googled "Car Adapter Mode" and rockbox. |
| 20:57:41 | irc_agentsmith | "When using the player in a car, Car Adapter Mode automatically stops playback on the player when power (i.e. from cigarette lighter power adapter) to the external DC in jack is turned off. If the Car Adapter Mode is set to On, Rockbox will pause playback when the external power off condition is detected. Rockbox will then shutdown the player after the length of time set in the Idle Poweroff setting (see above). If power t |
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| 21:43:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was wondering about something... we still have the code for the iriver iFP7XX in SVN, and from what I can gather on the wiki, the port status would be equivalent to "Unusable". Shouldn't the port be listed on the front page as such? |
| 21:43:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Perhaps even list it on this chart: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De |
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| 21:53:50 | CIA-6 | New commit by b0hoon (r28367): HDD6330: fix some values in config (USB PID, battery capacity), insert commented out ATA DMA. |
| 21:55:24 | tmzt_ | iFP are the small daps? |
| 21:55:38 | CIA-6 | r28367 build result: All green |
| 21:57:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | tmzt_: Those are the small flash-based iriver DAPs. |
| 21:57:46 | tmzt_ | have one somewhere not that model though |
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| 22:01:26 | n1s | i don't think it's much use listing it anywhere as i would be very surprised if it works at all or even builds |
| 22:02:02 | n1s | and the only guy working on it vanished years ago |
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| 22:14:31 | wodz | pixelma, AlexP: I uploaded corrected version of imageviewer patch. Despite cosmetic changes (uniform indentation of sources) it is what I am going to commit. Please test if you can. |
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| 22:25:03 | saratoga | not much sense worrying about the ifp |
| 22:25:15 | saratoga | modern rockbox needs more RAM then it has, which is why tomas lost interest in the port i think |
| 22:25:39 | saratoga | even back in the day getting stable rockbox on it woul dhave been veyr hard, and probably needed rombox |
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| 22:34:04 | wodz | Zagor, Badger: This is archive with mpio hd200 bootloader v1 (+ rockbox-info.txt + bootloader.map). Please uploade this to the download server - Thanks. |
| 22:34:12 | wodz | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-2e4891cf.html |
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| 22:35:35 | Bagder | is mpio the manufacturer name? |
| 22:35:52 | * | Bagder ponders about dir name hierarchy for that |
| 22:36:19 | pixelma | yes |
| 22:36:32 | pixelma | wodz: will try later |
| 22:38:30 | wodz | yes |
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| 22:39:37 | Bagder | wodz: done! |
| 22:39:47 | Bagder | put under bootloader/mpio/hd200/ |
| 22:39:49 | wodz | pixelma: v7 has aspect correction so you should see difference on your ondio |
| 22:41:15 | pixelma | great, thanks :) |
| 22:41:56 | wodz | Should I add edit something or it will be listed somewhere magically? |
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| 22:44:07 | pixelma | hmm, there's no HD200 manual yet? |
| 22:44:46 | wodz | no |
| 22:45:20 | wodz | this is no 3 on my TODO (after commiting MAS and png stuff) |
| 22:45:37 | pixelma | ah :) |
| 22:45:56 | wodz | I'll put link to the bootloader on the wiki for now |
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| 22:56:27 | wodz | hmm what should I do if firmware upgrade files (needed to flash rockbox bootloader) are no longer available for download? |
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| 23:30:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by mc2739 (r28368): Enable line out on c200v1 - part of FS #11367 by me - Thanks to Nate for testing |
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| 23:31:52 | CIA-6 | r28368 build result: All green |
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| 23:34:07 | bertrik | mc2739, doesn't this use more current? |
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| 23:36:19 | bertrik | oh, a few other sansas are already doing this (unconditionally?) too |
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| 23:42:08 | mc2739 | bertrik: funman did a battery bench on the fuze and the difference was insignificant. |
| 23:42:55 | bertrik | but measureably less runtime? |
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| 23:43:26 | mc2739 | I assume (maybe incorrectly) that it would be the same for the c200 |
| 23:44:38 | mc2739 | iirc, it was a a couple of minutes, which you can also get just running consecutive battery benches |
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| 23:49:10 | bertrik | IIRC, people were concerned for runtime loss of less than 3 percent when I brought up the sample rate accuracy patch for AMSv1 |
| 23:50:06 | bertrik | I don't worry about runtime loss from this patch too much to be honest. |
| 23:50:41 | bertrik | It's just I can imagine that we can autodetect when line-out is needed and when not |
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