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#rockbox log for 2010-10-29

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00:21:05confuselingHello. Is there anyone around who understands the bookmarking code - specifically, if I wanted to add a 'create bookmark' option to the hotkey, which function should I try to call?
00:21:40TorneI kinda do
00:21:45Torneand, er
00:21:49Torneone sec ;@)
00:22:05confuselingThere seem to be 'autobookmarks' and normal bookmarks. I take it autobookmarks are just the ones that update when you exit a file...
00:22:47Tornejust call bookmark_create_menu()
00:22:58Tornethat will make a bookmark exactly the same as if the user does it by hand
00:23:42confuselingExcellent - thanks. I suspect this will go horribly wrong, but I won't hold you responsible ;-)
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00:24:23saratogakugel: did you see my question about doom before?
00:24:36Torneisn't the bookmark already a WPS context menu option?
00:25:29confuselingYep - but I'm trying to make it so you can just click one button and get a new bookmark. Don't know how useful it'll be, but hey, we'll see once (well... if) it works
00:26:06Torneyeah, i just mean didn't the hotkey get everything fron the context menu that made sense alreay?
00:26:09Torneyeah, i just mean didn't the hotkey get everything fron the context menu that made sense alreay?/go tanalis
00:26:18Tornesorry ;)
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00:27:19confuselingCan you clarify Torne? You've lost me...
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00:28:24Tornesorry, i'll try again
00:29:21Tornei thought when the hotkey was made in the first place, it got everything from the context menu as an option except stff that didn't make any sense
00:29:27Tornebut i guess not if you can't create a bookmark with it
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00:30:44confuselingYou can't - and it seems like an obvious omission. I'm also thinking it would be nice if 'skip length' could be set to 'to next / previous bookmark'. Presumably just defaulting to beginning / end of track if it didn't find one
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00:31:36confuselingI don't know whether that's technically doable - but I'm sure it's beyond my level of coding. I'll see if I can get this to work, then maybe start a feature ideas thread - though feel free to tell me now if it's stupid. :-)
00:32:05Tornethat seems like it should be possible without *tooM* much difficulty
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00:34:26confuselingOK - well I think I've got enough to get me started anyway, but have to go now. Thanks for your help.
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00:38:05kugelsaratoga: yes
00:38:13kugelsaratoga: I dont really care
00:38:21saratogayeah i'm on the fence too
00:38:36saratogai'd rather not ship things that are expected to crash, but i guess people will complain anyway
00:38:52kugelits been shipped in previous releases
00:39:31saratogai mean in SVN, not just the release
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02:28:46McDougali have a problem with a theme
02:31:54JdGordon|my crystal ball suggests checking the line with %pb and putting it into a viewport
02:32:39McDougallol....its a different problem, with a different theme :D
02:34:06McDougali'm having a problem with the theme "Keep it Simple, Stupid! v2.0", i installed it on a v1 Fuze, the backdrop was working properly, but the while playing screen did not was just bland, basic design instead
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02:55:38soapI assume all this iPod serial bit is known?
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02:56:13saratogayeah i *think* thats the ipodlinux stuff
02:56:31soaphard to tell now that IPL is gone. :(
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04:57:24S_a_i_n_tsoap: IPL isn't *gone*.
04:58:02S_a_i_n_tIt's still around, DerPapst is hosting the wiki now.
04:58:22S_a_i_n_tit's IRC is still up, etc etc
04:59:04scorcheand if he hadnt, i can as well
04:59:15*scorche has all of the dumps and such from the ipl site
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05:02:16S_a_i_n_tit's bloody hard to find it without knowing derpapst is hosting it.
05:02:30JdGordon|link it in our wiki
05:02:46S_a_i_n_tperpapst+ipl gets a git, but everything else from google points to the old site.
05:02:53S_a_i_n_tJdGordon|: Will do.
05:03:14S_a_i_n_t*derpapst+ipl, rather
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05:20:30audio-ishould %T + settings_inc work for crossfade?
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05:21:28JdGordon|the setting will change, but whether it takes effect or not is another story
05:21:52audio-i:) the thing is, I read that seetings_inc does not work on simulators (?)
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05:22:11audio-iand I don't have a D2
05:22:11JdGordon|I don't believe that
05:22:29audio-iI just tried and it didn't work for me
05:22:43JdGordon|run it with −−nobackground
05:22:47JdGordon|or whatever that command is
05:23:24audio-ithe setting will change, but whether it takes effect or not is another story
05:23:34audio-ican you explain more that?
05:24:09JdGordon|the crossfade code needs to be told to use the new values
05:24:27JdGordon|setting_inc/dec doesnt do that
05:25:09audio-iah ok :/ ... neither replaygain I supose
05:25:50JdGordon|try it an see... if you make a list of which are known to need an apply we can think about fixing it
05:26:03JdGordon|or possibly add another param to setting_inc/dec to force an apply
05:26:44JdGordon|except doing that would do an apply every single press which isnt very good
05:27:40audio-iI was planning to use the long press
05:27:54JdGordon|well same hing
05:28:12JdGordon|maybe it oculd force an update on release... dunno
05:29:24audio-iI'm thinking this initially for the arboxwidgets theme
05:29:55audio-ichanging replaygain and crossfade modes, sleep timer, via the widgets would be awesome
05:32:40audio-ifirst I'll try the nobackground thing for the sim thing and experiment as it is now
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05:39:21audio-iok I run it with −−nobackground, it disabled the background image, but settings_inc breaks the wps
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05:41:02audio-iI put %T(10,6,110,116,settings_inc,repeat) and it reverts to the fallback wps
05:43:06JdGordon|is repeat the setting name?
05:43:24JdGordon|and a 110x116 pixel button?!
05:44:30audio-iwell.. just the example for learning this
05:44:44JdGordon|setting_inc not setting*s*_inc
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05:46:43audio-iit's written settingS everywhere... I'll try without it
05:46:50JdGordon|it is?
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05:47:23audio-iyeah, the wiki...;revision=28009
05:48:15JdGordon|hmm, typo... its setting_inc in the code
05:48:26JdGordon|and settings_inc in the commit message
05:48:33audio-iI'll correct the wiki, it's working now
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05:59:22audio-ifor some reason I'm now out of the wiki users... some help please?
05:59:58audio-ifor editing the wiki
06:00:33JdGordon|whats your username?
06:01:49audio-iit was HumbertoSantana... I'm in TWIKIUSERS but not in WIKIUSERS...
06:02:24JdGordon|you are in that group
06:04:00audio-iI'm checking and I'm not there... tried to reset the password but doesn't recognize username
06:05:34audio-idamn...I was doing it wrong, sorry...
06:05:40audio-icase sensitive
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06:13:22audio-iI still need some help with the WikiUser... I'm resetting my password, but not getting the email with the new password
06:13:44audio-iI can't check if my registered email is correct
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06:29:14audio-isetting_inc + crossfade seems to be working awesome ;)
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06:48:48JdGordon|audio-i: you might want to change the filehost of the image in your sig
06:49:01JdGordon|its putting up a "malware warning" screen in chrome
06:49:32audio-iOK I'll look into that
06:50:34audio-ican you still help me with the WikiUser thing?
06:51:06JdGordon|no because if its a bad email I dont have access to fix it
06:51:21JdGordon|you are in WikiUsersGroup which is the group that lets you edit pages
06:51:58audio-iyeah I tried to reset the password but I'm not getting the confirmation email
06:52:26audio-iand I can't edit my email so no idea if it's correct
06:54:11audio-ithe reset password page says ". If none of your registered e-mail addresses is valid, and you have forgotten your password, contact"
06:54:26JdGordon|so do that
06:54:38audio-iI will
06:55:21audio-iwhat would be the setting name for replay gain mode? I'm trying setting_inc+replaygain and it's not accepted
06:55:52JdGordon|dunno, change it and look at your config.cfg
06:56:54audio-iit's easy :) great...oh yes, for the record, the nobackground thing is not necessary
06:57:07audio-iit was just the extra s
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07:03:40audio-isetting_inc works great with replaygain too... that tag is awesome
07:04:59S_a_i_n_tJdGordon|: Actually, I think something is awry with the forums in general...I got a "Malware Warning" simply logging in yesterday.
07:05:03S_a_i_n_t(in Chrome)
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07:05:36S_a_i_n_tI also got the same thing checking my Forum PM, it went nuts on a PM from soap
07:05:52JdGordon|AlexP was asking about it also, I guessed audio-i's sig pic because that was the only link in that pages source with the fileden domain
07:06:09JdGordon|scorche: something to look into?
07:06:38S_a_i_n_tI made a screenshout using Prt_Scr but then I accidently copied some text and lost the image.
07:06:48scorchemalware warning?
07:07:52scorchei just tried with chrome here - no warning
07:08:20JdGordon|it isnt every page
07:08:36JdGordon|in fact I only got it on a very old thread (I was bored and reading the logo thread)
07:08:40S_a_i_n_tSo far, I have gotten a malware warning loggin in, and checking my forum flashed up very briefly looking at the Theming and Appearance Customization thread.
07:09:03S_a_i_n_t+also, but then went away.
07:09:13*scorche is clicking a bunch of things
07:09:36audio-iI just deleted my signature link to fileden
07:10:01JdGordon|put it back so we can make sure that was it :p
07:13:15scorcheThe website at contains elements from the site, which appears to host malware
07:13:33JdGordon|thats the one
07:15:29audio-iI put it back again
07:15:38audio-iit's showing the warning
07:15:53JdGordon|yeah, remove it :)
07:16:02audio-iok :)
07:16:02JdGordon|it might not be the only thing using it thoguh
07:16:33audio-iI have links to images in forums replies, would that affect it too?
07:16:40JdGordon|could be
07:16:56scorchewell, this is apparently the image it doesnt like:
07:16:58JdGordon|use a site like imagebin instead
07:17:09scorchethough, anything from will likely be flagged
07:17:14S_a_i_n_tor imgur
07:17:15JdGordon|and his sig
07:17:24JdGordon|anything from fileden
07:17:25audio-ithe image is mine
07:17:34scorcheuse imgur
07:17:37audio-iI'll erase them
07:18:12S_a_i_n_tthanks, reading the diagnostic from Google makes for some nice reading.
07:18:33S_a_i_n_t"this website is a piece of shit! it will hurt your PC"
07:18:50S_a_i_n_t(translation ;))
07:19:13scorchei got it in firefox too
07:19:47S_a_i_n_tso...why did I get it while checking my PMs?
07:20:02JdGordon|have you go one of those images in your pm?
07:20:09JdGordon|view source > search for fileden
07:20:10S_a_i_n_tAh...I have PMs from audio-i
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07:20:24scorchewell, if you get the message again, you can see which file is triggering the alert - see my links above
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07:53:46wilberfanI cannot for the life of me remember how to get 'Timestrech' working!
07:54:20wilberfanI found where to enable it, found the pitch screen, but can't make any stretch options appear!
07:54:33wilberfanwhat the $&#$ am I doing wrong?
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08:00:39wilberfanTHE RECORD BUTTONNNNNN!!!!
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08:45:53HaimNHi, Is anyone here from the Hebrew translation?
08:46:40S_a_i_n_twhat do you mean "from the Hebrew translation"?
08:47:07HaimNHebrew translators
08:48:41JdGordonwhats the problem?
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08:51:55JdGordonHaimN: is there a problem with the translation or do you want to ask about the database?
08:51:57HaimNIn latest version, someone changed the alignment from right to left
08:52:42HaimNJdGordon: its not about the database
08:53:06HaimNIt's something else
08:53:29JdGordonhmm, yeah tomers changed that
08:53:36JdGordonnot sure why... I'll email him
08:54:28HaimNJdGordon: thanks!
09:00:52JdGordonrasher: apparently the website translation thing doesnt handle the rtl field...
09:01:37JdGordonAlexP: can you please undo the first hunk of the hebrew change so it goes back to rtl? or I'll do it tomorow night
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10:07:16n1sis anyone working on release notes for 3.7?
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10:57:42rasherAlexP: are you going to look at FS #11700?
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10:59:46pixelmarasher: did you see the rtl problem in hebrew.lang mentioned a few hours ago (possibly having to do with the translation page too)
11:01:49rasherYes. No time to look at it now
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12:35:29n1shmm, which fixed bugs should be included in the release notes?
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12:39:49moosn1s: all of them? :)
12:41:00kugeln1s: all bugs which are no regression (ie those that existed prior to 3.6)
12:41:01n1smoos: but bugs introduced and fixed after the last release makes no sense, i also don't think user invisible bugs should go on that list
12:42:02n1skugel: that's what i thought too but since most commit messages and fs tasks seems to lack the info on when the bug was introduced it's a lot of work finding out which ones those are :(
12:42:25n1si'll get started with the most high impact ones and see how far i get
12:43:01moosn1s: that's why I'd say all of them, that could be easier for you
12:43:03kugelI went through through closed bugs list in fs when I made releasenotes in the past.
12:43:44kugelI took the date when the task was opened
12:44:23n1skugel: that isn't a very good measure either
12:45:01kugelthere is no optimal measure
12:45:19moosindeed there isn't
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13:03:53kugelmoos: backport?
13:04:14moosyup I'm on it, downloading the branch atm
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13:37:28HaimNHi! , how can I change the default font in the keyboard of the player? (in the scorce code)
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13:42:50teruscorce code?
13:44:27moossource code I guess
13:44:44pixelmaHaimN: you could also make a loadable keyboard layout which works with the user font
13:45:01pixelmano editing of the source involved
13:46:07pixelmaread more here:
13:47:51HaimNpixelma: thanks, I will cheack it
13:47:57tmzthow is the codepage support for fat?
13:48:22Torneit's largely irrelevant since long filenames on FAT are in Unicode anyway.
13:48:23tmztassuming he's asking about songs with non Latin characters
13:48:32tmztoh, utf8?
13:48:35S_a_i_n_tHaimN: pixelma is correct, if you create a .kbd file (custom keyboard map) it will use the userfont (the font you have selected for your theme) and not sysfont (the tiny system default font).
13:48:54tmztoh, ok
13:49:11Torneonly short filenames are encoded in a codepage
13:49:12tmztyou still using X fonts as base?
13:49:34Torne(and some tag formats, though good tag formats are unicode of one flavour or another)
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14:11:29n1sok, i'm fairly happy with but feel free to proofread/improve/etc
14:12:52wodzn1s: The "Charge during USB connection" option now has a "force" setting. doesn't really tell what it does and why. I would add something like 'to allow charging with wall charger'
14:13:24wodzor efficient charging with wall charger
14:13:26n1sit is a wiki y'know :P
14:13:27Tornethe manual says what it does and why
14:13:31Tornei hope :)
14:13:45Tornealso i don't really want to encourage people to use it.. :)
14:14:28wodzTorne: but If I understand correctly If you don't set it to 'force' it will not work correctly with wall charger
14:15:07Torneit won't charge at full speed, no
14:15:58wodzwell at least my mini 1G doesn't charge at all (it discharges) without 'force'
14:16:00Tornebut if the point was that people should just turn it to force then there'd be no point having the setting :)
14:16:30Tornen1s: i would rather it was explained differently, but not sure how
14:16:38Tornethe new off/on/force do not correlate to the old off/on at all
14:16:45Torne"on" doesn't do the same thing as it used to
14:16:59n1sthat reminds me, something is weird with the gigabeast charging over usb, it seems to try to draw too much power so the computer cuts it off when i connect to a front usb port on my computer even with usb charging set to "on"
14:17:13Tornewell that's nothing to do with my change, i'm afraid
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14:17:18Tornethat's just our charging algorithm being broken, i think
14:17:24wodzhonestly I don't understand why 'force' is necessary
14:17:26Tornei didn't change the actual behaviour on beast
14:17:33S_a_i_n_tfront ports *always* seem to be dodgy for some reason
14:17:36S_a_i_n_tmine play up too
14:18:04Tornewodz: because it's unsafe?
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14:18:55wodzunsafe? In what way? If we do not have usb handshake but have power we should assume wall charging thats all
14:19:03Tornewodz: and that's unsafe, yes
14:19:18wodzcan you elaborate?
14:19:22Tornebecause there's no reason to assume that the thing connected to Vcc can provide that much power
14:19:32TorneVusb rather, but hey
14:19:55Torneif you want your charger to work, implement detection :)
14:20:02wodzcan you give me real life scenario when this is unsafe?
14:20:06Torneit's on my list but i've not had time to unpick the stuff in the OF yet
14:20:22n1sTorne: if you figure out how you want it explain, please replace that on the wiki page
14:20:33Tornewodz: USB hosts which have crashed, accessories on the dock connector, possibly others
14:20:36AlexPJdGordon: ?
14:20:44Tornewodz: also, the USB standard is a thing, you know :)
14:20:51Torneit is unambiguous on how you should behave
14:21:18Torneif you want your charger to work in a safe way implement the ADC based detection scheme for apple chargers
14:21:19wodzso how should we behave with dumb charger?
14:21:37Tornemore or less as we do
14:22:00wodzI don't blame you but this is plain stupid :-)
14:22:09Tornetechnically we should stop drawing power after we realise there's no host and drop to suspend current only but that's fiddly and not possible on all targets
14:22:29Tornei like that our code has a low probability of setting laptops on fire.
14:22:32Tornei don't htink that's stupi d:)
14:22:33tmztwhen running on usb (not dumb charger) you could have a few common options like 500/600/700 etc.
14:22:40tmztthat get reported to the host
14:22:44Tornetmzt: no, you can't
14:22:57Tornebecause 1) it only goes up to 500 and 2) Windows doesn't do the right thing if you offer multiple power profiles
14:23:18tmztoh, that might explain why blackberry does what they do
14:23:29TorneThe USB charging setting covers this
14:23:30tmztdidn't know it was limited, thought is was a custom encoding that went higher
14:23:41tmztwhat does Apple do for MacBook Air cd drive?
14:23:53Torneif you set it to off then it asks for 100mA and uses no more than 100mA, so it will work on a bus powered hub
14:23:57tmztthat was a custom extension?
14:24:07Torneif you set it to on then it asks for 500mA but only starts using more than 100 once the host actually agrees
14:24:12tmztthen you still max at 500
14:24:22Torneif the host says no then you don't get a usb connection, you have to unplug it and change the setting
14:24:47Torneit would be nice to have it fall back automatically but the way most OSes handle this makes it difficult to do that without faking a USB disconnect and stuff
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14:24:56Tornealso you don't actually know that it failed because of not enough power
14:24:59Tornesince hte host doesn't *tell* you
14:25:05Torneit just never actually configures you :)
14:25:12Tornewhich can happen for other reasons, e.g. it just crashed
14:25:51wodzTorne: the tricky part here is that if the user finds that setting 'force' makes his wall charger working I doubt he will take the efford to change setting before connecting to the laptop
14:26:22Tornewodz: Right, which is why 1) it's documented clearly in the manual and 2) it's not the default and 3) it still tries its best to behave connected to a host
14:26:28Torneforce doesn't actually force it to 500 all the time
14:26:33tmztOCP works pretty well on linux I think, it does reset but it mostly recovers
14:26:34Torneit only kicks in after a timeout
14:26:37tmztunless it kills the root hub
14:26:48Torneso if you connect to a real host thhen unless the host has actually crashed, it will configure itself normally
14:27:23Tornewodz: if someone (possibly me) implements Apple charger detection and/or standard charger detection (on ipodvideo at least, not sure if they can all do it) then it will work just fine without using force for almost everybody
14:27:36Torneit still won't work for people using pre-usb-charging-spec AC adapters
14:27:41Tornebut those devices suck and it's tough
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14:28:15wodzIs there a way to test if charger is pre-usb-charging-spec?
14:28:24Tornejam a multimeter in it
14:28:38Torneif D+ and D- are not connected to each other then it isn't a real usb charger
14:28:57Tornethere are also Apple chargers which predate the spec which do it differently but also in a way that can be detected on ipods at least
14:29:03Torneother players probably *can't* detect old apple chargers
14:29:08Tornebut i think recent apple chargers do both
14:29:27wodzso D+ and D- should be hardwired right?
14:29:46Torneeither directly shorted or connected via a resistance under some limit i forget
14:29:52tmztif you have an adc for that detection
14:30:18tmztand then some cheap charger don't even wire those lines
14:30:29Tornetmzt: Right. Those ar espec-violating and I dont care about supporting them.
14:30:42TorneIf there's no way to positively identify the charger then I don't want to charge from it unless the user explicitly requests it
14:30:45tmztwas there a spec before musb?
14:31:03Tornewell, there is a spec distinct from the charging on microusb thing
14:31:13Tornenot sure about relative timing
14:31:29Torneyour implication is right, yes, loads of chargers were made before the spec was written
14:31:34Torneall of those are not USB spec compliant, it's tough
14:31:36Torneanyway, meeting, back in a bit
14:32:31wodzBTW. I oberved on my mini that if I connect powered off unit to the PC with USB it starts up, boots rb, shows usb screen but do not connect actually.
14:33:22wodzI observed some fs corruption also which may be related to this.
14:34:14tmztpowered off? assuming you turn it on at some point
14:34:37wodzit turns on on usb plug
14:36:13wodzAnd shutdown issue come back. I have a feeling that it is more pronounced when player starts after idle power off.
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14:41:27CIA-8New commit by alex (r28378): Hewbrew is right-to-left, reinstate accidently removed setting.
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14:44:13wodzWhat should I change to add new target in manual? manual/platform/xxx.tex and manula/platform/keymap-xxx.tex for sure
14:45:30AlexPThen everywhere that is opt'd on keymaps
14:45:58wodzwhat line should I grep for?
14:47:18n1smost of them should be in btnmap environments
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14:47:39AlexPyeah, most should be OK
14:47:58AlexPPresumably something in configure or somewhere similar so it knows what to build
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15:08:14Tornewodz: early usb on ipods goes through a different code path, yes, it's possible there's something up with it
15:08:43Torneand the shutdown problem is, well, just a problme
15:08:56Tornesuggestions on a postcard :)
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15:09:35Torneshutting down via the OF behaves really strangely for a bunch of people
15:09:45Torneclearing IRAM on shutdown works perfectly for my ipodvideo
15:09:53Tornewhich buggy solution do you want? :)
15:10:04wodzTorne: there is connector on my mini which I bet is JTAG.
15:10:17wodzTorne: best of both :-)
15:10:35pixelmaAlexP: did you see my pastebinned "Hardware Capabilities" patch? Would be coll if you could have a glance, especially as a native speaker :)
15:10:49AlexPI didn't, but sure :)
15:13:12wodzI started to explore this connector on my mini but unfortunately tracks are so thin that they ripped of from PCB when I was soldering ZIF connector
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15:14:36TorneJTAG would be interesting to diagnose the startup issue but it would be pretty difficult in practise, i suspect
15:14:46Torneyou'd need a player where the startup issue happens a lot :)
15:14:55Torneand leaveit permanently connected until you managed to reproduce it
15:15:07Torne(plugging/unplugging JTAG tends to reset the cpu by accident in my experience ;)
15:15:22Torne(too much chance of poking TRST)
15:16:25wodzTorne: I was thinking of supporting disassembling of OF bootcode. Maybe If we know what is the path we will spot something
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15:16:50Tornewell, that would kinda help
15:17:13wodzanyway this is no go with my mini :)
15:17:46Tornewell, sometime i will hopefully be able to get further with the bootcode
15:19:48wodzMore formalized PP documentation would be helpfull. Currently infos are scattered across IPL wiki dump and our code
15:21:32TorneWell, yes :)
15:21:42Tornebut that's not something people often volunteer for :)
15:22:16Tornealso who knows if half of that info is even right... the things that aren't actively used in rockbox are based on disassemblies by persons unknown and there's rarely any reasoning behind htem :(
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15:22:28Tornenot wanting to disparage their work but.. yeah
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15:23:25wodzbut even 'rockbox' part is not documented
15:23:53Tornebut at least the bits that are in our code being used you can be confident are right :)
15:25:12wodzthat's strong statement
15:26:37Torneokay, fairly confident
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16:30:55saratogaBagder, Zagor: could one of you add the HDD63XX to the build system?
16:31:19saratogaas far as I can tell it was mistakenly never added even though the port is quite advanced
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16:38:21Zagorsure. we just need a score. gevaerts, can do time it?
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16:43:26saratoganot sure how to compute that, but since plugins are disabled its really fast
16:43:32saratogaroughly 2x as fast an ams sansa
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16:46:41LambdaCalculus37saratoga: I saw your reply on the forums, and yes, telling people to build their own build is pretty stupid.
16:47:02saratogaLambdaCalculus37: take a look at the AMS sansa wiki page
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16:47:07saratogait gives you a good idea whats needed
16:47:43LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Gotcha. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
16:47:54AlexPpixelma: I fiddled very slightly:
16:48:45Zagorsaratoga: the score is simply a benchmark build time. we are using one of gevaerts' machines for that.
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16:49:23saratogaZagor: since the score with plugins is probabnly more interesting, maybe just using teh e200v1 score is best
16:49:39saratogahardware wise they're very similar, so i expect them to have similar build times once plugins are enabled
16:50:20Zagorthe score is used to allocate builds according to machine speed, so we want it to accurately reflect the build.
16:50:39Zagorare plugins just around the corner?
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16:52:54LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Once I get my HDD6330 back from lowlight, I'm going to get to work on the keymaps.
16:53:11LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Once I have all the plugin keymaps done for the platform, we can enable plugins.
16:53:34saratogaare the keys much on the hdd63xx?
16:54:14LambdaCalculus37saratoga: You mean a lot of work?
16:57:37CIA-8New commit by zagor (r28379): Added Philips GoGear HDD6330
16:58:16ZagorI set a token score of 10000 now, but we should correct it as soon as gevaerts does a benchmark build.
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17:00:14LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Sounds good.
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17:16:01*TheSeven just noticed some flaws in our usb mass storage implementation
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17:17:14TheSevenif we get a CBW before the CSW is acked, it will go into the WAITING_FOR_CSW_COMPLETION, state, which will process the CBW on the next packet, no matter which direction it has
17:17:55TheSevenwith the synopsys driver, this second packet can only be an IN packet, but is this also true for the other drivers?
17:18:05TheSevenand even if it is, I consider this a hack.
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17:21:44Luca_SHello everybody. FuzeV2 here. Is there a reason why the Next Track indicator in WPS (CabbieV2) is very slow to update? It is very noticeable when skipping tracks, it sometimes takes half a minute to update the next track data.
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17:33:33gevaertsTheSeven: I thought about that one, and I'm pretty sure it's correct :)
17:34:02gevaertss/,/ when I implemented it,/
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17:36:48TheSevengevaerts: in this case, it at least deserves a comment, *why* this assumption is guaranteed to hold true
17:36:55*gevaerts thinks
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17:38:13gevaertsThe host is supposed to always ack the CSW before sending a new CBW, but because of timing issues, we may get the ack and the CBW in the same interrupt, which means that we may handle them in the wrong order
17:40:08gevaertsOn the wire, the things are nicely ordered
17:42:14gevaertsWell, more checking might be a good idea, but if the host starts acking packets we never sent (which is basically the only possibility for that direction bit to be "wrong"), I doubt this is the first place we'd notice
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17:44:35pixelmaAlexP: great, thanks. I'm going to commit it soonish after one more test-compile of the altered patch :)
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17:54:20danzatHey, I just bought a sansa fuze (v2), and I can't fine the fuzpa.bin in its root (as specified in this guide:
17:55:09n1sdanzat: well did you download the fuzpa.bin file?
17:55:27danzatnls, oh, it's not supposed to be there originally?
17:55:57n1sno, the guide tells you to download it, it is the Original Firmware (OF)
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17:56:50saratogadanzat: you should probably just use the GUI installer
17:57:05saratogait'll guide you through these steps
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17:58:51danzatno need
17:58:54danzatalmost done :)
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18:08:34salty-horsehey. anyone with fuze v2 around?
18:08:47danzatOK, I'm getting the "file not found" error on the sansa now, but I just checked and the .rockbox IS in the root dir
18:09:06saratogamy guess is that you copied the folder but not the contents
18:09:11danzatequestrian spy
18:09:20danzatI unzipped
18:09:24saratogaif you open the .rockbox folder is there a rockbxo binary in it?
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18:10:25danzatthese are the contents
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18:10:50saratogaso no, you didn't unzip anything into the folder
18:10:57saratogathats probably why you get a file not found error
18:11:04danzatwhat do you mean nothing?
18:11:04pixelmaAlexP: one last question - I put the new section in second place, below the "Status Bar" paragraph as it felt a bit more logical. The status bar tags are just "have or not have" but the hardware capabilites are conditionals. What do you think?
18:11:17danzatdid you look in the pastebin?
18:11:49salty-horsedanzat, ls -R ?
18:12:04n1sdanzat: there are only dirs and empty files, something is wrong indeed
18:12:06danzatthat file is not in the zip
18:12:30salty-horsedid you "make" before "make zip"?
18:12:36salty-horseI may have forgot that part :)
18:12:45danzatyou have
18:12:55salty-horsesowwy \/0\/
18:13:10danzatyou are a good spy
18:18:32salty-horsegeneral question: why is it required to use a special gcc toolchain to compile rockbox for sansa? can't my own gcc cross-compile?
18:20:28Luca_Ssure, but it's not guaranteed to work and may even brick your device. different gcc revisions produce different code, and embedded devices are very picky. also, some gcc patches are required.
18:21:35salty-horseLuca_S, you managed to induce just the right amount of terror in me not to try it :)
18:21:54n1syes, you are free to use whatever compiler you like, we only support the recommended one though
18:22:28n1sdepending on which player and what you are building it should be pretty safe to try most things
18:23:31Luca_Sexcellent :D now, if you know what you're doing (say, you know that your device can easily be unbricked, or you don't change the bootloader), you can test quite safely. sometimes moving to a more recent gcc gives decent speedups, but often it breaks in exotic ways on some targets.
18:23:31n1sas long as you don't build bootloaders pretty much any player should be recoverable
18:25:12gevaertsWell, you may be able to use whatever compiler you like, but it has to be a proper crosscompiler
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18:28:18gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: yes, I saw that. I'll try to remember to do a new benchmark run sometime soon
18:29:15LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Okay.
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18:57:14TheSevengevaerts: Am I blind or is allocation_length in the SCSI_REPORT_LUNS handler never read?
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19:12:51AlexPpixelma: Yes, that seems sensible
19:14:44tmztyou have protoocl dumper for ums clients in rockbox?
19:14:52tmztlike to see commands drivers send
19:15:18AlexPpixelma: I might have a bash at showing all tag but marking those that don't work on the target in question - what do you think for marker? * or another symbol, or change text colour, or change background colour, or...
19:16:17pixelmamaybe a narrow 3rd column with "x" or maybe an asterisk
19:16:39pixelmaand thanks for your opinion, going to commit it
19:16:56AlexPNo worries
19:17:09AlexPI'll have a play and see what it looks like
19:22:33AlexPpixelma: Do you think charcell should remain separate?
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19:26:23pixelmaI wasn't aware it is. There are a few things that are currently not possible at all and I don't think that themes will be shared (viewports, bitmaps, statusbar, progressbar(s) are different) but it may be nice for completeness
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20:28:17tcm1998Hi all, today I decided to take the plunge and install rockbox on my ipod nano 1G...
20:28:58tcm1998it looks pretty good, but I was a bit shocked that it doesn't support album art from within the ID3v2 tag
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20:30:38tcm1998was this lack of support intensional? is it simply because noone ever bothered about it? or has there been issues in the past to decide to use the (IMHO) workaround using a seperate artwork folder?
20:31:50tcm1998I'd like to know, because I'm willing to give it a go myself (write it in, I mean)
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20:32:42tcm1998can't be that hard, since it already seem to support reading jpg pictures
20:33:09S_a_i_n_tfamous last words.
20:33:25saratogaits hard to do
20:33:46saratogabasically its not implemented because theres no easy way to do it and no one was interested in the effort involved
20:34:24saratogathe problem is that jpeg data is stored scrambled in file tags, so you can't just feed it into a jpeg decoder
20:34:59saratogayou'd have to search, but i think the best solution was something like 'make a jpeg decoder thats able to understand scrambled as well as normal jpegs'
20:35:21tcm1998hmm, weird, I just do some research, but I didn't notice anything about scrambling
20:35:32tcm1998*did some research
20:35:59tcm1998the jpg part seem to be equal, but I'd have to use a hex editor to be 100% sure
20:36:12tcm1998the lenght is atleast byte perfect
20:36:35S_a_i_n_ttcm1998: There's already a WIP implementation that works in Flyspray, perhaps you could have a look at that before deciding how hard it is/isn't.
20:37:13tcm1998thanks, I'll have a look
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20:46:12LambdaCalculus37tcm1998: Specifically, you want FS #11216
20:47:06AlexPtcm1998: Using seperate art isn't a work around at all - I don't want identical copies of the album art in every song of an album for instance
20:47:29AlexPIt is a very reasonable way of doing it
20:47:49S_a_i_n_tindeed, I actually much prefer the current method.
20:47:58AlexPHowever, if someone who cared enough to bother were to write a good implementation to use art in tags, then I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted
20:48:06LambdaCalculus37Second what S_a_i_n_t says.
20:48:33tcm1998ok, I'd have to agree, I used to have the same oppinion
20:49:00tcm1998however, I have my ipod and a creative zen so I'm just going with the embedded info
20:49:18AlexPYou occasionally see really stupid situations where the art tag is bigger than the music data
20:49:26tcm1998and I don't want to have YET another copy of the same picture on there
20:49:44tcm1998hmm, that would be a bit extreme
20:49:48AlexPSure, but the fact remains - no-one who wants this has bothered to do anything about it
20:50:17tcm1998well, as said, I might have a go with it
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20:50:38AlexPcool :)
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20:51:48tcm1998and yes, I had already found the 11216, thanks
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21:01:15saratogaactually looking online it seems like unsynchronization is less common these days, so its probably ok to just ignore unsynchronizationed tags
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21:05:30tcm1998well, as I already expected, the jpeg inside the ID3 header is completely equal to the jpg I extracted with a tag editor ...
21:06:02tcm1998and both seem to be valid as a jpeg, no scrambles to be seen, afiak
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21:33:18wodzhmm, I wonder how hard would be to autogenerate keymap-xxxx.tex from apps/keymaps/keymap-xxxx.c
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21:34:37gevaertsTheSeven: good point
21:35:09TheSevenwhich point? the one about the need for a comment or the unused variable?
21:35:49gevaertsyes :)
21:35:55gevaertswell, both
21:36:53gevaertsTheSeven: allocation_length does indeed not seem to be read. I (obviously...) don't know why
21:37:58gevaertsWe can either make the code more correct and check it (and then get in trouble because we don't know what to do if it's wrong...), or remove the thing
21:39:37gevaertsAnd yes, that WAITING_FOR_CSW_COMPLETION bit could use more comments
21:39:59gevaertsCould you do those? I don't think I'll get a proper chance to do real work before something like tuesday
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21:44:55n1swodz: i'm pretty sure it could be done with some scripting but noone's gotten around to it
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21:55:31TheSevengevaerts: me neither
21:56:00TheSeveni'll be doing a rather big network reconfiguration over the weekend, that will probably take until monday
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22:14:52AlexPWhen are we meant to be releasing?
22:15:22wodzheh this seems to be the FAQ for 3.7 :-)
22:15:49AlexPIt hasn't been brilliantly organised
22:16:00AlexPand I thought 3.6 was a bit ropey
22:16:24gevaertsThe 3.7 has really been a disaster...
22:16:40AlexPyeah, I was going for subtle understatement
22:16:57AlexPIt's been a shambles
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22:18:33AlexPAlso, are we actually doing anything about the bug fix releases? Or has that been pushed aside by apathy?
22:18:49gevaertsI think we have to do that
22:18:54AlexPMe too
22:18:59gevaertsIt seems to be the only way to save releases
22:19:39wodzremote-keymap-iriverh100.tex has bug I think: \newcommand{\ActionRCWpsSeekFwd}{Long \ButtonRCRew} look suspicious
22:21:11AlexPgevaerts: Is there anything left to be done for 3.7?
22:21:19AlexPApart from building etc I mean
22:21:48pixelmaI don't know. The remote has some so called "Rocker Switches" which may be the reason
22:22:02pixelmawodz: ^
22:22:36*pixelma still has some SVGs that need to be labelled...
22:23:01wodzbut referring to Rew as a way to Seek forward is weird at least
22:23:18gevaertsAlexP: I'd hoped for some testing and RC builds, but maybe it's best to get it out of the door quickly. 3.7 seems to be cursed
22:24:18AlexPI think we should just release at this point - I then intend to write a couple of documents - one is a timeline for 3.8, the other is regarding the bug fix releases
22:24:19bertrikWhat is so bad about it?
22:24:32AlexPbertrik: The organisation mainly
22:24:38pixelmawodz: depends on how the button is labelled (and unfortunately there is no picture... yet). It's consistent at least "Seek Back" is "Forward" too. AlexP should be able to tell you more
22:24:43gevaertsAlexP: oh, release notes?
22:24:52gevaertsDid anyone look at those?
22:24:53AlexPgevaerts: n1s did them earlier I think
22:25:14AlexPwodz: I'll double check the mapping on target in a minute
22:26:28TheSeventhere hasn't been much feedback yet, but what do I need to do to make the nano2g stable?
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22:26:43AlexPTheSeven: ah yes, good point
22:27:03AlexPgevaerts: Did you combine the video builds in the release ba
22:27:42gevaertsyes, I think so
22:28:26AlexPpixelma: In other newx, pictures of the remotes labelling keys would be nice in the manual :)
22:29:16gevaertsTheSeven: I think you only have to change tools/ in the release branch
22:29:33gevaertsSet status to 3 for the port you fancy
22:29:53AlexPwodz: Yes, ff/rw are backwards
22:30:02AlexPwodz: Are you going to fix or shall I?
22:30:04gevaertsOh, actually, at "exactly" release time we also need to sync that back to trunk I suspect
22:30:23gevaertsAnd to be complete, also update the front page in the www tree
22:30:38bertrikThere is a tool from called USB compliance verifier (IIRC) that can be used to test USB device implementations, have we tested all of our own USB stacks/drivers against this?
22:30:39AlexPAnd edit the release notes
22:30:48wodzAlexP: please fix this if You can
22:30:52TheSevengevaerts: should I go for it?
22:31:04AlexPwodz: OK
22:31:10AlexPTheSeven: I think so
22:31:18gevaertsTheSeven: I don't think anyone had any objections at all, so why not?
22:31:46TheSevenbecause there are some things i'm not entirely sure about
22:31:55TheSevenespecially the recent slowdown in usb tranfer speed
22:32:11TheSevenit seems to be coming from the FTL, and I have no idea what happened
22:32:16wodzslowdown isn't blocker IMO
22:32:39TheSevenwodz: still I hate things that I can't explain properly
22:32:54*TheSeven thinks they could start biting at any time :)
22:33:19CIA-8New commit by theseven (r28381): Promote iPod Nano 2G to stable
22:33:30TheSevengevaerts: any www updates needed?
22:33:32bertrikThe clip+ will probably be ready for stable in 3.8 I think
22:33:33wodzthe only way is to bisect
22:33:39TheSevenshould i also do this on the trunk?
22:33:56wodzTheSeven: yes and yes
22:34:03gevaertsTheSeven: I'd think www and trunk should really wait until the actual release time
22:34:09gevaertsIf that's today, sure
22:34:38TheSevenwhat does the trunk change actually do?
22:34:47CIA-8New commit by alex (r28382): Manual: correct swapped seek buttons for Hx00 remotes.
22:34:57CIA-8New commit by alex (r28383): Manual: correct swapped seek buttons for Hx00 remotes.
22:35:29gevaertsTheSeven: in trunk is the one that's used for things like
22:35:56*TheSeven would have guessed that this is taking information from somewhere in the www svn
22:35:59gevaertsso yes, we need both
22:36:42n1si'll pop in a note about nano2g becomming stable in the relnotes then
22:36:45CIA-8r28383 build result: All green
22:36:55TheSevenn1s: sounds good
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22:38:41AlexPSo I guess the build scripts in tools/release/ need version numbers updating
22:39:22pixelmaAlexP: like"> ? If you could tell me which of these is the H100 one again and if you could tell me the labels...
22:39:45AlexPpixelma: Just like those :)
22:40:08AlexPtop left is H100, middle and bottom left are h300 (although all work on all)
22:40:25pixelmathe Iaudio one is already in the M3 manual
22:40:31AlexPah, cool
22:40:36AlexPOn the H100 remote:
22:41:13AlexPtop left rocker is left = rewind, push = navi, right = ffd
22:42:10AlexPtop right rocker is left = source, push = rec, right = bitrate
22:42:20AlexPbottom left is hold switch
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22:42:49AlexPbottom right rocker is left = vol down, push = a/b, right = vol up
22:43:17AlexPThen on the front the big centre button is play/pause, small top right button is stop
22:46:34pixelmathe labels could probably get quite crowded, especially the top rocker switches, have to see
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22:50:18AlexPWhat's the deal with archos flash releases? Do they happen?
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22:50:28AlexP(I'm just going through the release checklist)
22:51:23pixelmaI don't think they are needed everytime but don't know for sure
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22:54:40AlexPgevaerts: Does tools/ need fiddling with too?
22:54:58gevaertsoh, maybe
22:55:02*gevaerts isn't sure
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22:55:39AlexPthe 3.6 version seems to have: # XXX: Don't run the scripts and just display the release version
22:55:39AlexPecho "3.6RC"
22:55:39AlexPexit 0
22:55:44AlexPadded to it
22:55:58AlexPso even if it is needed, it wasn't correct for 3.6 :)
22:57:10liar <= are there some commits missing?
22:57:31gevaertsliar: that's only trunk I think
22:57:33AlexPliar: That only shows trunk
22:57:43gevaertsIt's a bit elephanty
22:57:47liari see :)
22:57:48AlexPso commits to the release branch are missing
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22:59:42wodzhmm wiki instructions for building manual on ubuntu are outdated
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23:02:13wodzah I read it wrong - instructions are ok
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23:12:43AlexPgevaerts: yeah, it looks like tools/ needs changing too, otherwise rockbox-info.txt reports the svn revision
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23:32:17kugelJdGordon: ok, I remembered it wrong (about RockboxFramebuffer). I'm sorry
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