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| 00:21:05 | confuseling | Hello. Is there anyone around who understands the bookmarking code - specifically, if I wanted to add a 'create bookmark' option to the hotkey, which function should I try to call? |
| 00:21:40 | Torne | I kinda do |
| 00:21:45 | Torne | and, er |
| 00:21:49 | Torne | one sec ;@) |
| 00:22:05 | confuseling | There seem to be 'autobookmarks' and normal bookmarks. I take it autobookmarks are just the ones that update when you exit a file... |
| 00:22:12 | Torne | yes |
| 00:22:47 | Torne | just call bookmark_create_menu() |
| 00:22:58 | Torne | that will make a bookmark exactly the same as if the user does it by hand |
| 00:23:42 | confuseling | Excellent - thanks. I suspect this will go horribly wrong, but I won't hold you responsible ;-) |
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| 00:24:23 | saratoga | kugel: did you see my question about doom before? |
| 00:24:36 | Torne | isn't the bookmark already a WPS context menu option? |
| 00:25:29 | confuseling | Yep - but I'm trying to make it so you can just click one button and get a new bookmark. Don't know how useful it'll be, but hey, we'll see once (well... if) it works |
| 00:26:06 | Torne | yeah, i just mean didn't the hotkey get everything fron the context menu that made sense alreay? |
| 00:26:09 | Torne | yeah, i just mean didn't the hotkey get everything fron the context menu that made sense alreay?/go tanalis |
| 00:26:12 | Torne | oops |
| 00:26:18 | Torne | sorry ;) |
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| 00:27:19 | confuseling | Can you clarify Torne? You've lost me... |
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| 00:28:24 | Torne | sorry, i'll try again |
| 00:29:21 | Torne | i thought when the hotkey was made in the first place, it got everything from the context menu as an option except stff that didn't make any sense |
| 00:29:27 | Torne | but i guess not if you can't create a bookmark with it |
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| 00:30:44 | confuseling | You can't - and it seems like an obvious omission. I'm also thinking it would be nice if 'skip length' could be set to 'to next / previous bookmark'. Presumably just defaulting to beginning / end of track if it didn't find one |
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| 00:31:36 | confuseling | I don't know whether that's technically doable - but I'm sure it's beyond my level of coding. I'll see if I can get this to work, then maybe start a feature ideas thread - though feel free to tell me now if it's stupid. :-) |
| 00:32:05 | Torne | that seems like it should be possible without *tooM* much difficulty |
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| 00:34:26 | confuseling | OK - well I think I've got enough to get me started anyway, but have to go now. Thanks for your help. |
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| 00:38:05 | kugel | saratoga: yes |
| 00:38:13 | kugel | saratoga: I dont really care |
| 00:38:21 | saratoga | yeah i'm on the fence too |
| 00:38:36 | saratoga | i'd rather not ship things that are expected to crash, but i guess people will complain anyway |
| 00:38:52 | kugel | its been shipped in previous releases |
| 00:39:31 | saratoga | i mean in SVN, not just the release |
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| 02:28:39 | McDougal | hello |
| 02:28:46 | McDougal | i have a problem with a theme |
| 02:31:54 | JdGordon| | my crystal ball suggests checking the line with %pb and putting it into a viewport |
| 02:32:39 | McDougal | lol....its a different problem, with a different theme :D |
| 02:34:06 | McDougal | i'm having a problem with the theme "Keep it Simple, Stupid! v2.0", i installed it on a v1 Fuze, the backdrop was working properly, but the while playing screen did not install...it was just bland, basic design instead |
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| 02:55:38 | soap | I assume all this iPod serial bit is known? http://www.adriangame.co.uk/ipod-acc-pro.html |
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| 02:56:13 | saratoga | yeah i *think* thats the ipodlinux stuff |
| 02:56:31 | soap | hard to tell now that IPL is gone. :( |
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| 04:57:24 | S_a_i_n_t | soap: IPL isn't *gone*. |
| 04:58:02 | S_a_i_n_t | It's still around, DerPapst is hosting the wiki now. |
| 04:58:22 | S_a_i_n_t | it's IRC is still up, etc etc |
| 04:59:04 | scorche | and if he hadnt, i can as well |
| 04:59:15 | * | scorche has all of the dumps and such from the ipl site |
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| 05:01:47 | S_a_i_n_t | soap: http://ipl.derpapst.eu/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 05:02:16 | S_a_i_n_t | it's bloody hard to find it without knowing derpapst is hosting it. |
| 05:02:30 | JdGordon| | link it in our wiki |
| 05:02:46 | S_a_i_n_t | perpapst+ipl gets a git, but everything else from google points to the old site. |
| 05:02:53 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: Will do. |
| 05:03:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *derpapst+ipl, rather |
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| 05:20:30 | audio-i | should %T + settings_inc work for crossfade? |
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| 05:21:09 | JdGordon| | *maybe* |
| 05:21:28 | JdGordon| | the setting will change, but whether it takes effect or not is another story |
| 05:21:52 | audio-i | :) the thing is, I read that seetings_inc does not work on simulators (?) |
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| 05:22:11 | audio-i | and I don't have a D2 |
| 05:22:11 | JdGordon| | I don't believe that |
| 05:22:29 | audio-i | I just tried and it didn't work for me |
| 05:22:31 | audio-i | simulator |
| 05:22:43 | JdGordon| | run it with −−nobackground |
| 05:22:47 | JdGordon| | or whatever that command is |
| 05:23:24 | audio-i | the setting will change, but whether it takes effect or not is another story |
| 05:23:34 | audio-i | can you explain more that? |
| 05:24:09 | JdGordon| | the crossfade code needs to be told to use the new values |
| 05:24:27 | JdGordon| | setting_inc/dec doesnt do that |
| 05:25:09 | audio-i | ah ok :/ ... neither replaygain I supose |
| 05:25:50 | JdGordon| | try it an see... if you make a list of which are known to need an apply we can think about fixing it |
| 05:26:03 | JdGordon| | or possibly add another param to setting_inc/dec to force an apply |
| 05:26:44 | JdGordon| | except doing that would do an apply every single press which isnt very good |
| 05:27:40 | audio-i | I was planning to use the long press |
| 05:27:54 | JdGordon| | well same hing |
| 05:28:12 | JdGordon| | maybe it oculd force an update on release... dunno |
| 05:29:24 | audio-i | I'm thinking this initially for the arboxwidgets theme |
| 05:29:55 | audio-i | changing replaygain and crossfade modes, sleep timer, via the widgets would be awesome |
| 05:32:40 | audio-i | first I'll try the nobackground thing for the sim thing and experiment as it is now |
| 05:32:47 | audio-i | thanks! |
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| 05:39:21 | audio-i | ok I run it with −−nobackground, it disabled the background image, but settings_inc breaks the wps |
| 05:39:34 | JdGordon| | how? |
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| 05:41:02 | audio-i | I put %T(10,6,110,116,settings_inc,repeat) and it reverts to the fallback wps |
| 05:43:06 | JdGordon| | is repeat the setting name? |
| 05:43:24 | JdGordon| | and a 110x116 pixel button?! |
| 05:43:26 | audio-i | yes |
| 05:44:30 | audio-i | well.. just the example for learning this |
| 05:44:44 | JdGordon| | setting_inc not setting*s*_inc |
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| 05:46:43 | audio-i | it's written settingS everywhere... I'll try without it |
| 05:46:50 | JdGordon| | it is? |
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| 05:47:23 | audio-i | yeah, the wiki... http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=28009 |
| 05:48:15 | JdGordon| | hmm, typo... its setting_inc in the code |
| 05:48:26 | JdGordon| | and settings_inc in the commit message |
| 05:48:28 | JdGordon| | :/ |
| 05:48:33 | audio-i | I'll correct the wiki, it's working now |
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| 05:59:22 | audio-i | for some reason I'm now out of the wiki users... some help please? |
| 05:59:58 | audio-i | for editing the wiki |
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| 06:00:33 | JdGordon| | whats your username? |
| 06:01:49 | audio-i | it was HumbertoSantana... I'm in TWIKIUSERS but not in WIKIUSERS... |
| 06:02:24 | JdGordon| | you are in that group |
| 06:04:00 | audio-i | I'm checking http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WikiUsers and I'm not there... tried to reset the password but doesn't recognize username |
| 06:05:34 | audio-i | damn...I was doing it wrong, sorry... |
| 06:05:40 | audio-i | case sensitive |
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| 06:13:22 | audio-i | I still need some help with the WikiUser... I'm resetting my password, but not getting the email with the new password |
| 06:13:44 | audio-i | I can't check if my registered email is correct |
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| 06:29:14 | audio-i | setting_inc + crossfade seems to be working awesome ;) |
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| 06:48:48 | JdGordon| | audio-i: you might want to change the filehost of the image in your sig |
| 06:49:01 | JdGordon| | its putting up a "malware warning" screen in chrome |
| 06:49:32 | audio-i | OK I'll look into that |
| 06:50:34 | audio-i | can you still help me with the WikiUser thing? |
| 06:51:06 | JdGordon| | no because if its a bad email I dont have access to fix it |
| 06:51:21 | JdGordon| | you are in WikiUsersGroup which is the group that lets you edit pages |
| 06:51:58 | audio-i | yeah I tried to reset the password but I'm not getting the confirmation email |
| 06:52:26 | audio-i | and I can't edit my email so no idea if it's correct |
| 06:54:11 | audio-i | the reset password page says ". If none of your registered e-mail addresses is valid, and you have forgotten your password, contact bjorn@haxxBLAH_BLAH.se." |
| 06:54:26 | JdGordon| | so do that |
| 06:54:38 | audio-i | I will |
| 06:55:21 | audio-i | what would be the setting name for replay gain mode? I'm trying setting_inc+replaygain and it's not accepted |
| 06:55:52 | JdGordon| | dunno, change it and look at your config.cfg |
| 06:56:54 | audio-i | it's easy :) great...oh yes, for the record, the nobackground thing is not necessary |
| 06:57:07 | audio-i | it was just the extra s |
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| 07:03:40 | audio-i | setting_inc works great with replaygain too... that tag is awesome |
| 07:04:59 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: Actually, I think something is awry with the forums in general...I got a "Malware Warning" simply logging in yesterday. |
| 07:05:03 | S_a_i_n_t | (in Chrome) |
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| 07:05:36 | S_a_i_n_t | I also got the same thing checking my Forum PM, it went nuts on a PM from soap |
| 07:05:52 | JdGordon| | AlexP was asking about it also, I guessed audio-i's sig pic because that was the only link in that pages source with the fileden domain |
| 07:06:09 | JdGordon| | scorche: something to look into? |
| 07:06:38 | S_a_i_n_t | I made a screenshout using Prt_Scr but then I accidently copied some text and lost the image. |
| 07:06:48 | scorche | malware warning? |
| 07:06:49 | scorche | eh? |
| 07:06:56 | S_a_i_n_t | Yeppers. |
| 07:07:52 | scorche | i just tried with chrome here - no warning |
| 07:08:20 | JdGordon| | it isnt every page |
| 07:08:36 | JdGordon| | in fact I only got it on a very old thread (I was bored and reading the logo thread) |
| 07:08:40 | S_a_i_n_t | So far, I have gotten a malware warning loggin in, and checking my forum PMs...it flashed up very briefly looking at the Theming and Appearance Customization thread. |
| 07:09:03 | S_a_i_n_t | +also, but then went away. |
| 07:09:13 | * | scorche is clicking a bunch of things |
| 07:09:36 | audio-i | I just deleted my signature link to fileden |
| 07:10:01 | JdGordon| | put it back so we can make sure that was it :p |
| 07:10:39 | audio-i | ok |
| 07:13:15 | scorche | The website at forums.rockbox.org contains elements from the site www.fileden.com, which appears to host malware |
| 07:13:33 | JdGordon| | thats the one |
| 07:13:35 | scorche | http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/2/11/1754365//vol1.jpg&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US |
| 07:15:29 | audio-i | I put it back again |
| 07:15:38 | audio-i | it's showing the warning |
| 07:15:53 | JdGordon| | yeah, remove it :) |
| 07:16:02 | audio-i | ok :) |
| 07:16:02 | JdGordon| | it might not be the only thing using it thoguh |
| 07:16:33 | audio-i | I have links to images in forums replies, would that affect it too? |
| 07:16:40 | JdGordon| | could be |
| 07:16:56 | scorche | well, this is apparently the image it doesnt like: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/2/11/1754365//vol1.jpg |
| 07:16:58 | JdGordon| | use a site like imagebin instead |
| 07:17:09 | scorche | though, anything from fileden.com will likely be flagged |
| 07:17:14 | S_a_i_n_t | or imgur |
| 07:17:15 | JdGordon| | and his sig |
| 07:17:24 | JdGordon| | anything from fileden |
| 07:17:25 | audio-i | the image is mine |
| 07:17:31 | audio-i | :) |
| 07:17:34 | scorche | use imgur |
| 07:17:37 | audio-i | I'll erase them |
| 07:17:50 | audio-i | ok |
| 07:18:12 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks, reading the diagnostic from Google makes for some nice reading. |
| 07:18:33 | S_a_i_n_t | "this website is a piece of shit! it will hurt your PC" |
| 07:18:50 | S_a_i_n_t | (translation ;)) |
| 07:19:13 | scorche | i got it in firefox too |
| 07:19:47 | S_a_i_n_t | so...why did I get it while checking my PMs? |
| 07:20:02 | JdGordon| | have you go one of those images in your pm? |
| 07:20:09 | JdGordon| | view source > search for fileden |
| 07:20:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah...I have PMs from audio-i |
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| 07:20:18 | S_a_i_n_t | *duuuur* |
| 07:20:21 | S_a_i_n_t | ;) |
| 07:20:24 | scorche | well, if you get the message again, you can see which file is triggering the alert - see my links above |
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| 07:53:46 | wilberfan | I cannot for the life of me remember how to get 'Timestrech' working! |
| 07:53:53 | wilberfan | *stretch |
| 07:54:20 | wilberfan | I found where to enable it, found the pitch screen, but can't make any stretch options appear! |
| 07:54:33 | wilberfan | what the $&#$ am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:00:39 | wilberfan | THE RECORD BUTTONNNNNN!!!! |
| 08:00:48 | wilberfan | Blarrrghhh!!!! |
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| 08:45:53 | HaimN | Hi, Is anyone here from the Hebrew translation? |
| 08:46:40 | S_a_i_n_t | what do you mean "from the Hebrew translation"? |
| 08:47:07 | HaimN | Hebrew translators |
| 08:48:41 | JdGordon | whats the problem? |
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| 08:51:55 | JdGordon | HaimN: is there a problem with the translation or do you want to ask about the database? |
| 08:51:57 | HaimN | In latest version, someone changed the alignment from right to left |
| 08:52:42 | HaimN | JdGordon: its not about the database |
| 08:53:06 | HaimN | It's something else |
| 08:53:29 | JdGordon | hmm, yeah tomers changed that |
| 08:53:36 | JdGordon | not sure why... I'll email him |
| 08:54:28 | HaimN | JdGordon: thanks! |
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| 09:00:52 | JdGordon | rasher: apparently the website translation thing doesnt handle the rtl field... |
| 09:01:37 | JdGordon | AlexP: can you please undo the first hunk of the hebrew change so it goes back to rtl? or I'll do it tomorow night |
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| 10:07:16 | n1s | is anyone working on release notes for 3.7? |
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| 10:19:27 | * | n1s starts working on them |
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| 10:57:42 | rasher | AlexP: are you going to look at FS #11700? |
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| 10:59:46 | pixelma | rasher: did you see the rtl problem in hebrew.lang mentioned a few hours ago (possibly having to do with the translation page too) |
| 10:59:57 | pixelma | ? |
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| 11:01:49 | rasher | Yes. No time to look at it now |
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| 12:35:29 | n1s | hmm, which fixed bugs should be included in the release notes? |
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| 12:39:49 | moos | n1s: all of them? :) |
| 12:41:00 | kugel | n1s: all bugs which are no regression (ie those that existed prior to 3.6) |
| 12:41:01 | n1s | moos: but bugs introduced and fixed after the last release makes no sense, i also don't think user invisible bugs should go on that list |
| 12:42:02 | n1s | kugel: that's what i thought too but since most commit messages and fs tasks seems to lack the info on when the bug was introduced it's a lot of work finding out which ones those are :( |
| 12:42:25 | n1s | i'll get started with the most high impact ones and see how far i get |
| 12:43:01 | moos | n1s: that's why I'd say all of them, that could be easier for you |
| 12:43:03 | kugel | I went through through closed bugs list in fs when I made releasenotes in the past. |
| 12:43:44 | kugel | I took the date when the task was opened |
| 12:44:23 | n1s | kugel: that isn't a very good measure either |
| 12:45:01 | kugel | there is no optimal measure |
| 12:45:19 | moos | indeed there isn't |
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| 13:03:53 | kugel | moos: backport? |
| 13:04:14 | moos | yup I'm on it, downloading the branch atm |
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| 13:37:28 | HaimN | Hi! , how can I change the default font in the keyboard of the player? (in the scorce code) |
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| 13:42:50 | teru | scorce code? |
| 13:44:27 | moos | source code I guess |
| 13:44:44 | pixelma | HaimN: you could also make a loadable keyboard layout which works with the user font |
| 13:45:01 | pixelma | no editing of the source involved |
| 13:46:07 | pixelma | read more here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LoadableKeyboardLayouts |
| 13:47:51 | HaimN | pixelma: thanks, I will cheack it |
| 13:47:57 | tmzt | how is the codepage support for fat? |
| 13:48:22 | Torne | it's largely irrelevant since long filenames on FAT are in Unicode anyway. |
| 13:48:23 | tmzt | assuming he's asking about songs with non Latin characters |
| 13:48:32 | tmzt | oh, utf8? |
| 13:48:35 | S_a_i_n_t | HaimN: pixelma is correct, if you create a .kbd file (custom keyboard map) it will use the userfont (the font you have selected for your theme) and not sysfont (the tiny system default font). |
| 13:48:38 | Torne | utf-16 |
| 13:48:54 | tmzt | oh, ok |
| 13:49:11 | Torne | only short filenames are encoded in a codepage |
| 13:49:12 | tmzt | you still using X fonts as base? |
| 13:49:34 | Torne | (and some tag formats, though good tag formats are unicode of one flavour or another) |
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| 14:11:29 | n1s | ok, i'm fairly happy with http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes37 but feel free to proofread/improve/etc |
| 14:12:52 | wodz | n1s: The "Charge during USB connection" option now has a "force" setting. doesn't really tell what it does and why. I would add something like 'to allow charging with wall charger' |
| 14:13:24 | wodz | or efficient charging with wall charger |
| 14:13:26 | n1s | it is a wiki y'know :P |
| 14:13:27 | Torne | the manual says what it does and why |
| 14:13:31 | Torne | i hope :) |
| 14:13:45 | Torne | also i don't really want to encourage people to use it.. :) |
| 14:14:28 | wodz | Torne: but If I understand correctly If you don't set it to 'force' it will not work correctly with wall charger |
| 14:15:07 | Torne | it won't charge at full speed, no |
| 14:15:58 | wodz | well at least my mini 1G doesn't charge at all (it discharges) without 'force' |
| 14:16:00 | Torne | but if the point was that people should just turn it to force then there'd be no point having the setting :) |
| 14:16:30 | Torne | n1s: i would rather it was explained differently, but not sure how |
| 14:16:38 | Torne | the new off/on/force do not correlate to the old off/on at all |
| 14:16:45 | Torne | "on" doesn't do the same thing as it used to |
| 14:16:59 | n1s | that reminds me, something is weird with the gigabeast charging over usb, it seems to try to draw too much power so the computer cuts it off when i connect to a front usb port on my computer even with usb charging set to "on" |
| 14:17:13 | Torne | well that's nothing to do with my change, i'm afraid |
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| 14:17:18 | Torne | that's just our charging algorithm being broken, i think |
| 14:17:24 | wodz | honestly I don't understand why 'force' is necessary |
| 14:17:26 | Torne | i didn't change the actual behaviour on beast |
| 14:17:33 | S_a_i_n_t | front ports *always* seem to be dodgy for some reason |
| 14:17:36 | S_a_i_n_t | mine play up too |
| 14:18:04 | Torne | wodz: because it's unsafe? |
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| 14:18:55 | wodz | unsafe? In what way? If we do not have usb handshake but have power we should assume wall charging thats all |
| 14:19:03 | Torne | wodz: and that's unsafe, yes |
| 14:19:18 | wodz | can you elaborate? |
| 14:19:22 | Torne | because there's no reason to assume that the thing connected to Vcc can provide that much power |
| 14:19:32 | Torne | Vusb rather, but hey |
| 14:19:55 | Torne | if you want your charger to work, implement detection :) |
| 14:20:02 | wodz | can you give me real life scenario when this is unsafe? |
| 14:20:06 | Torne | it's on my list but i've not had time to unpick the stuff in the OF yet |
| 14:20:22 | n1s | Torne: if you figure out how you want it explain, please replace that on the wiki page |
| 14:20:33 | Torne | wodz: USB hosts which have crashed, accessories on the dock connector, possibly others |
| 14:20:36 | AlexP | JdGordon: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/283072/ ? |
| 14:20:44 | Torne | wodz: also, the USB standard is a thing, you know :) |
| 14:20:51 | Torne | it is unambiguous on how you should behave |
| 14:21:18 | Torne | if you want your charger to work in a safe way implement the ADC based detection scheme for apple chargers |
| 14:21:19 | wodz | so how should we behave with dumb charger? |
| 14:21:37 | Torne | more or less as we do |
| 14:22:00 | wodz | I don't blame you but this is plain stupid :-) |
| 14:22:09 | Torne | technically we should stop drawing power after we realise there's no host and drop to suspend current only but that's fiddly and not possible on all targets |
| 14:22:17 | Torne | why? |
| 14:22:29 | Torne | i like that our code has a low probability of setting laptops on fire. |
| 14:22:32 | Torne | i don't htink that's stupi d:) |
| 14:22:33 | tmzt | when running on usb (not dumb charger) you could have a few common options like 500/600/700 etc. |
| 14:22:40 | tmzt | that get reported to the host |
| 14:22:44 | Torne | tmzt: no, you can't |
| 14:22:52 | tmzt | hmm? |
| 14:22:57 | Torne | because 1) it only goes up to 500 and 2) Windows doesn't do the right thing if you offer multiple power profiles |
| 14:23:10 | wodz | hahaha |
| 14:23:18 | tmzt | oh, that might explain why blackberry does what they do |
| 14:23:29 | Torne | The USB charging setting covers this |
| 14:23:30 | tmzt | didn't know it was limited, thought is was a custom encoding that went higher |
| 14:23:41 | tmzt | what does Apple do for MacBook Air cd drive? |
| 14:23:53 | Torne | if you set it to off then it asks for 100mA and uses no more than 100mA, so it will work on a bus powered hub |
| 14:23:57 | tmzt | that was a custom extension? |
| 14:24:07 | Torne | if you set it to on then it asks for 500mA but only starts using more than 100 once the host actually agrees |
| 14:24:12 | tmzt | then you still max at 500 |
| 14:24:22 | Torne | if the host says no then you don't get a usb connection, you have to unplug it and change the setting |
| 14:24:47 | Torne | it would be nice to have it fall back automatically but the way most OSes handle this makes it difficult to do that without faking a USB disconnect and stuff |
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| 14:24:56 | Torne | also you don't actually know that it failed because of not enough power |
| 14:24:59 | Torne | since hte host doesn't *tell* you |
| 14:25:05 | Torne | it just never actually configures you :) |
| 14:25:12 | Torne | which can happen for other reasons, e.g. it just crashed |
| 14:25:13 | Torne | :) |
| 14:25:51 | wodz | Torne: the tricky part here is that if the user finds that setting 'force' makes his wall charger working I doubt he will take the efford to change setting before connecting to the laptop |
| 14:26:22 | Torne | wodz: Right, which is why 1) it's documented clearly in the manual and 2) it's not the default and 3) it still tries its best to behave connected to a host |
| 14:26:28 | Torne | force doesn't actually force it to 500 all the time |
| 14:26:33 | tmzt | OCP works pretty well on linux I think, it does reset but it mostly recovers |
| 14:26:34 | Torne | it only kicks in after a timeout |
| 14:26:37 | tmzt | unless it kills the root hub |
| 14:26:48 | Torne | so if you connect to a real host thhen unless the host has actually crashed, it will configure itself normally |
| 14:27:23 | Torne | wodz: if someone (possibly me) implements Apple charger detection and/or standard charger detection (on ipodvideo at least, not sure if they can all do it) then it will work just fine without using force for almost everybody |
| 14:27:36 | Torne | it still won't work for people using pre-usb-charging-spec AC adapters |
| 14:27:41 | Torne | but those devices suck and it's tough |
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| 14:28:15 | wodz | Is there a way to test if charger is pre-usb-charging-spec? |
| 14:28:24 | Torne | jam a multimeter in it |
| 14:28:34 | wodz | ? |
| 14:28:38 | Torne | if D+ and D- are not connected to each other then it isn't a real usb charger |
| 14:28:57 | Torne | there are also Apple chargers which predate the spec which do it differently but also in a way that can be detected on ipods at least |
| 14:29:03 | Torne | other players probably *can't* detect old apple chargers |
| 14:29:08 | Torne | but i think recent apple chargers do both |
| 14:29:27 | wodz | so D+ and D- should be hardwired right? |
| 14:29:46 | Torne | either directly shorted or connected via a resistance under some limit i forget |
| 14:29:52 | tmzt | if you have an adc for that detection |
| 14:30:18 | tmzt | and then some cheap charger don't even wire those lines |
| 14:30:29 | Torne | tmzt: Right. Those ar espec-violating and I dont care about supporting them. |
| 14:30:42 | Torne | If there's no way to positively identify the charger then I don't want to charge from it unless the user explicitly requests it |
| 14:30:45 | tmzt | was there a spec before musb? |
| 14:30:50 | Torne | Yes |
| 14:31:03 | Torne | well, there is a spec distinct from the charging on microusb thing |
| 14:31:13 | Torne | not sure about relative timing |
| 14:31:29 | Torne | your implication is right, yes, loads of chargers were made before the spec was written |
| 14:31:34 | Torne | all of those are not USB spec compliant, it's tough |
| 14:31:36 | Torne | anyway, meeting, back in a bit |
| 14:32:31 | wodz | BTW. I oberved on my mini that if I connect powered off unit to the PC with USB it starts up, boots rb, shows usb screen but do not connect actually. |
| 14:33:22 | wodz | I observed some fs corruption also which may be related to this. |
| 14:34:14 | tmzt | powered off? assuming you turn it on at some point |
| 14:34:37 | wodz | it turns on on usb plug |
| 14:36:13 | wodz | And shutdown issue come back. I have a feeling that it is more pronounced when player starts after idle power off. |
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| 14:41:15 | CIA-8 | New commit by alex (r28377): Hewbrew is right-to-left, reinstate accidently removed setting. |
| 14:41:27 | CIA-8 | New commit by alex (r28378): Hewbrew is right-to-left, reinstate accidently removed setting. |
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| 14:43:29 | CIA-8 | r28378 build result: All green |
| 14:44:13 | wodz | What should I change to add new target in manual? manual/platform/xxx.tex and manula/platform/keymap-xxx.tex for sure |
| 14:45:30 | AlexP | Then everywhere that is opt'd on keymaps |
| 14:45:58 | wodz | what line should I grep for? |
| 14:47:18 | n1s | most of them should be in btnmap environments |
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| 14:47:39 | AlexP | yeah, most should be OK |
| 14:47:58 | AlexP | Presumably something in configure or somewhere similar so it knows what to build |
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| 15:08:14 | Torne | wodz: early usb on ipods goes through a different code path, yes, it's possible there's something up with it |
| 15:08:43 | Torne | and the shutdown problem is, well, just a problme |
| 15:08:56 | Torne | suggestions on a postcard :) |
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| 15:09:35 | Torne | shutting down via the OF behaves really strangely for a bunch of people |
| 15:09:45 | Torne | clearing IRAM on shutdown works perfectly for my ipodvideo |
| 15:09:53 | Torne | which buggy solution do you want? :) |
| 15:10:04 | wodz | Torne: there is connector on my mini which I bet is JTAG. |
| 15:10:17 | wodz | Torne: best of both :-) |
| 15:10:29 | Torne | hm? |
| 15:10:35 | pixelma | AlexP: did you see my pastebinned "Hardware Capabilities" patch? Would be coll if you could have a glance, especially as a native speaker :) |
| 15:10:49 | AlexP | I didn't, but sure :) |
| 15:11:11 | pixelma | http://pastebin.com/F7tsfgSv |
| 15:13:12 | wodz | I started to explore this connector on my mini but unfortunately tracks are so thin that they ripped of from PCB when I was soldering ZIF connector |
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| 15:14:36 | Torne | JTAG would be interesting to diagnose the startup issue but it would be pretty difficult in practise, i suspect |
| 15:14:46 | Torne | you'd need a player where the startup issue happens a lot :) |
| 15:14:55 | Torne | and leaveit permanently connected until you managed to reproduce it |
| 15:15:07 | Torne | (plugging/unplugging JTAG tends to reset the cpu by accident in my experience ;) |
| 15:15:22 | Torne | (too much chance of poking TRST) |
| 15:16:25 | wodz | Torne: I was thinking of supporting disassembling of OF bootcode. Maybe If we know what is the path we will spot something |
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| 15:16:50 | Torne | well, that would kinda help |
| 15:17:13 | wodz | anyway this is no go with my mini :) |
| 15:17:46 | Torne | well, sometime i will hopefully be able to get further with the bootcode |
| 15:19:48 | wodz | More formalized PP documentation would be helpfull. Currently infos are scattered across IPL wiki dump and our code |
| 15:21:32 | Torne | Well, yes :) |
| 15:21:42 | Torne | but that's not something people often volunteer for :) |
| 15:22:16 | Torne | also who knows if half of that info is even right... the things that aren't actively used in rockbox are based on disassemblies by persons unknown and there's rarely any reasoning behind htem :( |
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| 15:22:28 | Torne | not wanting to disparage their work but.. yeah |
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| 15:23:25 | wodz | but even 'rockbox' part is not documented |
| 15:23:42 | Torne | right |
| 15:23:53 | Torne | but at least the bits that are in our code being used you can be confident are right :) |
| 15:25:12 | wodz | that's strong statement |
| 15:26:37 | Torne | okay, fairly confident |
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| 15:53:10 | * | LambdaCalculus37 doesn't remember if mpegplayer works on the GoGear HDD1630 yet |
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| 16:30:55 | saratoga | Bagder, Zagor: could one of you add the HDD63XX to the build system? |
| 16:31:19 | saratoga | as far as I can tell it was mistakenly never added even though the port is quite advanced |
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| 16:38:21 | Zagor | sure. we just need a score. gevaerts, can do time it? |
| 16:38:28 | Zagor | *you |
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| 16:42:25 | saratoga | score? |
| 16:43:26 | saratoga | not sure how to compute that, but since plugins are disabled its really fast |
| 16:43:32 | saratoga | roughly 2x as fast an ams sansa |
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| 16:46:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: I saw your reply on the forums, and yes, telling people to build their own build is pretty stupid. |
| 16:47:02 | saratoga | LambdaCalculus37: take a look at the AMS sansa wiki page |
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| 16:47:07 | saratoga | it gives you a good idea whats needed |
| 16:47:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: Gotcha. Thanks for pointing that out to me. |
| 16:47:54 | AlexP | pixelma: I fiddled very slightly: http://pastebin.com/39tmP5yt |
| 16:48:45 | Zagor | saratoga: the score is simply a benchmark build time. we are using one of gevaerts' machines for that. |
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| 16:49:23 | saratoga | Zagor: since the score with plugins is probabnly more interesting, maybe just using teh e200v1 score is best |
| 16:49:39 | saratoga | hardware wise they're very similar, so i expect them to have similar build times once plugins are enabled |
| 16:50:20 | Zagor | the score is used to allocate builds according to machine speed, so we want it to accurately reflect the build. |
| 16:50:39 | Zagor | are plugins just around the corner? |
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| 16:52:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Once I get my HDD6330 back from lowlight, I'm going to get to work on the keymaps. |
| 16:53:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Once I have all the plugin keymaps done for the platform, we can enable plugins. |
| 16:53:34 | saratoga | are the keys much on the hdd63xx? |
| 16:54:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | saratoga: You mean a lot of work? |
| 16:57:37 | CIA-8 | New commit by zagor (r28379): Added Philips GoGear HDD6330 |
| 16:58:16 | Zagor | I set a token score of 10000 now, but we should correct it as soon as gevaerts does a benchmark build. |
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| 17:00:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Sounds good. |
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| 17:16:01 | * | TheSeven just noticed some flaws in our usb mass storage implementation |
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| 17:17:14 | TheSeven | if we get a CBW before the CSW is acked, it will go into the WAITING_FOR_CSW_COMPLETION, state, which will process the CBW on the next packet, no matter which direction it has |
| 17:17:55 | TheSeven | with the synopsys driver, this second packet can only be an IN packet, but is this also true for the other drivers? |
| 17:18:05 | TheSeven | and even if it is, I consider this a hack. |
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| 17:21:44 | Luca_S | Hello everybody. FuzeV2 here. Is there a reason why the Next Track indicator in WPS (CabbieV2) is very slow to update? It is very noticeable when skipping tracks, it sometimes takes half a minute to update the next track data. |
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| 17:33:33 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I thought about that one, and I'm pretty sure it's correct :) |
| 17:34:02 | gevaerts | s/,/ when I implemented it,/ |
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| 17:36:48 | TheSeven | gevaerts: in this case, it at least deserves a comment, *why* this assumption is guaranteed to hold true |
| 17:36:55 | * | gevaerts thinks |
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| 17:38:13 | gevaerts | The host is supposed to always ack the CSW before sending a new CBW, but because of timing issues, we may get the ack and the CBW in the same interrupt, which means that we may handle them in the wrong order |
| 17:40:08 | gevaerts | On the wire, the things are nicely ordered |
| 17:42:14 | gevaerts | Well, more checking might be a good idea, but if the host starts acking packets we never sent (which is basically the only possibility for that direction bit to be "wrong"), I doubt this is the first place we'd notice |
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| 17:44:22 | tcm1998 | hi |
| 17:44:35 | pixelma | AlexP: great, thanks. I'm going to commit it soonish after one more test-compile of the altered patch :) |
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| 17:54:20 | danzat | Hey, I just bought a sansa fuze (v2), and I can't fine the fuzpa.bin in its root (as specified in this guide: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-150002.2.4) |
| 17:55:09 | n1s | danzat: well did you download the fuzpa.bin file? |
| 17:55:27 | danzat | nls, oh, it's not supposed to be there originally? |
| 17:55:57 | n1s | no, the guide tells you to download it, it is the Original Firmware (OF) |
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| 17:56:50 | saratoga | danzat: you should probably just use the GUI installer |
| 17:57:05 | saratoga | it'll guide you through these steps |
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| 17:58:50 | danzat | nono |
| 17:58:51 | danzat | no need |
| 17:58:54 | danzat | almost done :) |
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| 18:08:34 | salty-horse | hey. anyone with fuze v2 around? |
| 18:08:47 | danzat | OK, I'm getting the "file not found" error on the sansa now, but I just checked and the .rockbox IS in the root dir |
| 18:08:54 | salty-horse | :D |
| 18:08:54 | danzat | SPY! |
| 18:09:06 | saratoga | my guess is that you copied the folder but not the contents |
| 18:09:11 | danzat | equestrian spy |
| 18:09:20 | danzat | I unzipped |
| 18:09:24 | saratoga | if you open the .rockbox folder is there a rockbxo binary in it? |
| 18:09:37 | danzat | no |
| 18:09:52 | danzat | sec |
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| 18:10:16 | danzat | http://pastebin.com/fwaNerzq |
| 18:10:25 | danzat | these are the contents |
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| 18:10:50 | saratoga | so no, you didn't unzip anything into the folder |
| 18:10:57 | saratoga | thats probably why you get a file not found error |
| 18:11:04 | danzat | what do you mean nothing? |
| 18:11:04 | pixelma | AlexP: one last question - I put the new section in second place, below the "Status Bar" paragraph as it felt a bit more logical. The status bar tags are just "have or not have" but the hardware capabilites are conditionals. What do you think? |
| 18:11:17 | danzat | did you look in the pastebin? |
| 18:11:49 | salty-horse | danzat, ls -R ? |
| 18:12:04 | n1s | danzat: there are only dirs and empty files, something is wrong indeed |
| 18:12:06 | danzat | that file is not in the zip |
| 18:12:13 | danzat | yes |
| 18:12:30 | salty-horse | did you "make" before "make zip"? |
| 18:12:36 | salty-horse | I may have forgot that part :) |
| 18:12:42 | danzat | oh! |
| 18:12:45 | danzat | you have |
| 18:12:55 | salty-horse | sowwy \/0\/ |
| 18:13:10 | danzat | you are a good spy |
| 18:18:32 | salty-horse | general question: why is it required to use a special gcc toolchain to compile rockbox for sansa? can't my own gcc cross-compile? |
| 18:20:28 | Luca_S | sure, but it's not guaranteed to work and may even brick your device. different gcc revisions produce different code, and embedded devices are very picky. also, some gcc patches are required. |
| 18:21:35 | salty-horse | Luca_S, you managed to induce just the right amount of terror in me not to try it :) |
| 18:21:54 | n1s | yes, you are free to use whatever compiler you like, we only support the recommended one though |
| 18:22:28 | n1s | depending on which player and what you are building it should be pretty safe to try most things |
| 18:23:31 | Luca_S | excellent :D now, if you know what you're doing (say, you know that your device can easily be unbricked, or you don't change the bootloader), you can test quite safely. sometimes moving to a more recent gcc gives decent speedups, but often it breaks in exotic ways on some targets. |
| 18:23:31 | n1s | as long as you don't build bootloaders pretty much any player should be recoverable |
| 18:25:12 | gevaerts | Well, you may be able to use whatever compiler you like, but it has to be a proper crosscompiler |
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| 18:26:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20101029#16:30:55 |
| 18:28:18 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: yes, I saw that. I'll try to remember to do a new benchmark run sometime soon |
| 18:29:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Okay. |
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| 18:51:09 | danzat | How do I purge the default media that came on the sansa fuze? I can't find it in the directories |
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| 18:57:14 | TheSeven | gevaerts: Am I blind or is allocation_length in the SCSI_REPORT_LUNS handler never read? |
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| 19:12:51 | AlexP | pixelma: Yes, that seems sensible |
| 19:14:44 | tmzt | you have protoocl dumper for ums clients in rockbox? |
| 19:14:52 | tmzt | like to see commands drivers send |
| 19:15:18 | AlexP | pixelma: I might have a bash at showing all tag but marking those that don't work on the target in question - what do you think for marker? * or another symbol, or change text colour, or change background colour, or... |
| 19:16:17 | pixelma | maybe a narrow 3rd column with "x" or maybe an asterisk |
| 19:16:39 | pixelma | and thanks for your opinion, going to commit it |
| 19:16:56 | AlexP | No worries |
| 19:17:09 | AlexP | I'll have a play and see what it looks like |
| 19:22:33 | AlexP | pixelma: Do you think charcell should remain separate? |
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| 19:26:23 | pixelma | I wasn't aware it is. There are a few things that are currently not possible at all and I don't think that themes will be shared (viewports, bitmaps, statusbar, progressbar(s) are different) but it may be nice for completeness |
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| 19:52:22 | CIA-8 | New commit by pixelma (r28380): Manual, theme tag chapter: add a 'Hardware Capabilities' section for tags that test hardware capabilities of a target and move the ... |
| 19:54:11 | CIA-8 | r28380 build result: All green |
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| 20:28:17 | tcm1998 | Hi all, today I decided to take the plunge and install rockbox on my ipod nano 1G... |
| 20:28:58 | tcm1998 | it looks pretty good, but I was a bit shocked that it doesn't support album art from within the ID3v2 tag |
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| 20:30:38 | tcm1998 | was this lack of support intensional? is it simply because noone ever bothered about it? or has there been issues in the past to decide to use the (IMHO) workaround using a seperate artwork folder? |
| 20:31:50 | tcm1998 | I'd like to know, because I'm willing to give it a go myself (write it in, I mean) |
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| 20:32:42 | tcm1998 | can't be that hard, since it already seem to support reading jpg pictures |
| 20:33:09 | S_a_i_n_t | famous last words. |
| 20:33:15 | tcm1998 | huh? |
| 20:33:25 | saratoga | its hard to do |
| 20:33:34 | tcm1998 | because? |
| 20:33:46 | saratoga | basically its not implemented because theres no easy way to do it and no one was interested in the effort involved |
| 20:34:24 | saratoga | the problem is that jpeg data is stored scrambled in file tags, so you can't just feed it into a jpeg decoder |
| 20:34:59 | saratoga | you'd have to search, but i think the best solution was something like 'make a jpeg decoder thats able to understand scrambled as well as normal jpegs' |
| 20:35:21 | tcm1998 | hmm, weird, I just do some research, but I didn't notice anything about scrambling |
| 20:35:32 | tcm1998 | *did some research |
| 20:35:59 | tcm1998 | the jpg part seem to be equal, but I'd have to use a hex editor to be 100% sure |
| 20:36:12 | tcm1998 | the lenght is atleast byte perfect |
| 20:36:21 | tcm1998 | *length |
| 20:36:35 | S_a_i_n_t | tcm1998: There's already a WIP implementation that works in Flyspray, perhaps you could have a look at that before deciding how hard it is/isn't. |
| 20:36:52 | tcm1998 | flyspray? |
| 20:37:06 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task= |
| 20:37:13 | tcm1998 | thanks, I'll have a look |
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| 20:46:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | tcm1998: Specifically, you want FS #11216 |
| 20:47:06 | AlexP | tcm1998: Using seperate art isn't a work around at all - I don't want identical copies of the album art in every song of an album for instance |
| 20:47:29 | AlexP | It is a very reasonable way of doing it |
| 20:47:49 | S_a_i_n_t | indeed, I actually much prefer the current method. |
| 20:47:58 | AlexP | However, if someone who cared enough to bother were to write a good implementation to use art in tags, then I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted |
| 20:48:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Second what S_a_i_n_t says. |
| 20:48:33 | tcm1998 | ok, I'd have to agree, I used to have the same oppinion |
| 20:49:00 | tcm1998 | however, I have my ipod and a creative zen so I'm just going with the embedded info |
| 20:49:18 | AlexP | You occasionally see really stupid situations where the art tag is bigger than the music data |
| 20:49:26 | tcm1998 | and I don't want to have YET another copy of the same picture on there |
| 20:49:44 | tcm1998 | hmm, that would be a bit extreme |
| 20:49:48 | AlexP | Sure, but the fact remains - no-one who wants this has bothered to do anything about it |
| 20:50:17 | tcm1998 | well, as said, I might have a go with it |
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| 20:50:38 | AlexP | cool :) |
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| 20:51:48 | tcm1998 | and yes, I had already found the 11216, thanks |
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| 21:01:15 | saratoga | actually looking online it seems like unsynchronization is less common these days, so its probably ok to just ignore unsynchronizationed tags |
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| 21:05:30 | tcm1998 | well, as I already expected, the jpeg inside the ID3 header is completely equal to the jpg I extracted with a tag editor ... |
| 21:06:02 | tcm1998 | and both seem to be valid as a jpeg, no scrambles to be seen, afiak |
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| 21:33:18 | wodz | hmm, I wonder how hard would be to autogenerate keymap-xxxx.tex from apps/keymaps/keymap-xxxx.c |
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| 21:34:37 | gevaerts | TheSeven: good point |
| 21:35:09 | TheSeven | which point? the one about the need for a comment or the unused variable? |
| 21:35:49 | gevaerts | yes :) |
| 21:35:55 | gevaerts | well, both |
| 21:36:53 | gevaerts | TheSeven: allocation_length does indeed not seem to be read. I (obviously...) don't know why |
| 21:37:58 | gevaerts | We can either make the code more correct and check it (and then get in trouble because we don't know what to do if it's wrong...), or remove the thing |
| 21:39:37 | gevaerts | And yes, that WAITING_FOR_CSW_COMPLETION bit could use more comments |
| 21:39:59 | gevaerts | Could you do those? I don't think I'll get a proper chance to do real work before something like tuesday |
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| 21:44:55 | n1s | wodz: i'm pretty sure it could be done with some scripting but noone's gotten around to it |
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| 21:55:31 | TheSeven | gevaerts: me neither |
| 21:56:00 | TheSeven | i'll be doing a rather big network reconfiguration over the weekend, that will probably take until monday |
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| 22:14:52 | AlexP | When are we meant to be releasing? |
| 22:15:22 | wodz | heh this seems to be the FAQ for 3.7 :-) |
| 22:15:49 | AlexP | It hasn't been brilliantly organised |
| 22:16:00 | AlexP | and I thought 3.6 was a bit ropey |
| 22:16:24 | gevaerts | The 3.7 has really been a disaster... |
| 22:16:40 | AlexP | yeah, I was going for subtle understatement |
| 22:16:57 | AlexP | It's been a shambles |
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| 22:18:33 | AlexP | Also, are we actually doing anything about the bug fix releases? Or has that been pushed aside by apathy? |
| 22:18:49 | gevaerts | I think we have to do that |
| 22:18:54 | AlexP | Me too |
| 22:18:59 | gevaerts | It seems to be the only way to save releases |
| 22:19:39 | wodz | remote-keymap-iriverh100.tex has bug I think: \newcommand{\ActionRCWpsSeekFwd}{Long \ButtonRCRew} look suspicious |
| 22:21:11 | AlexP | gevaerts: Is there anything left to be done for 3.7? |
| 22:21:19 | AlexP | Apart from building etc I mean |
| 22:21:48 | pixelma | I don't know. The remote has some so called "Rocker Switches" which may be the reason |
| 22:22:02 | pixelma | wodz: ^ |
| 22:22:36 | * | pixelma still has some SVGs that need to be labelled... |
| 22:23:01 | wodz | but referring to Rew as a way to Seek forward is weird at least |
| 22:23:18 | gevaerts | AlexP: I'd hoped for some testing and RC builds, but maybe it's best to get it out of the door quickly. 3.7 seems to be cursed |
| 22:24:18 | AlexP | I think we should just release at this point - I then intend to write a couple of documents - one is a timeline for 3.8, the other is regarding the bug fix releases |
| 22:24:19 | bertrik | What is so bad about it? |
| 22:24:32 | AlexP | bertrik: The organisation mainly |
| 22:24:38 | pixelma | wodz: depends on how the button is labelled (and unfortunately there is no picture... yet). It's consistent at least "Seek Back" is "Forward" too. AlexP should be able to tell you more |
| 22:24:43 | gevaerts | AlexP: oh, release notes? |
| 22:24:52 | gevaerts | Did anyone look at those? |
| 22:24:53 | AlexP | gevaerts: n1s did them earlier I think |
| 22:25:14 | AlexP | wodz: I'll double check the mapping on target in a minute |
| 22:26:28 | TheSeven | there hasn't been much feedback yet, but what do I need to do to make the nano2g stable? |
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| 22:26:43 | AlexP | TheSeven: ah yes, good point |
| 22:27:03 | AlexP | gevaerts: Did you combine the video builds in the release ba |
| 22:27:07 | AlexP | *branch |
| 22:27:42 | gevaerts | yes, I think so |
| 22:28:26 | AlexP | pixelma: In other newx, pictures of the remotes labelling keys would be nice in the manual :) |
| 22:29:16 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I think you only have to change tools/builds.pm in the release branch |
| 22:29:33 | gevaerts | Set status to 3 for the port you fancy |
| 22:29:53 | AlexP | wodz: Yes, ff/rw are backwards |
| 22:30:02 | AlexP | wodz: Are you going to fix or shall I? |
| 22:30:04 | gevaerts | Oh, actually, at "exactly" release time we also need to sync that back to trunk I suspect |
| 22:30:23 | gevaerts | And to be complete, also update the front page in the www tree |
| 22:30:38 | bertrik | There is a tool from usb.org called USB compliance verifier (IIRC) that can be used to test USB device implementations, have we tested all of our own USB stacks/drivers against this? |
| 22:30:39 | AlexP | And edit the release notes |
| 22:30:48 | wodz | AlexP: please fix this if You can |
| 22:30:52 | TheSeven | gevaerts: should I go for it? |
| 22:31:04 | AlexP | wodz: OK |
| 22:31:10 | AlexP | TheSeven: I think so |
| 22:31:18 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I don't think anyone had any objections at all, so why not? |
| 22:31:46 | TheSeven | because there are some things i'm not entirely sure about |
| 22:31:55 | TheSeven | especially the recent slowdown in usb tranfer speed |
| 22:32:11 | TheSeven | it seems to be coming from the FTL, and I have no idea what happened |
| 22:32:16 | wodz | slowdown isn't blocker IMO |
| 22:32:39 | TheSeven | wodz: still I hate things that I can't explain properly |
| 22:32:54 | * | TheSeven thinks they could start biting at any time :) |
| 22:33:19 | CIA-8 | New commit by theseven (r28381): Promote iPod Nano 2G to stable |
| 22:33:30 | TheSeven | gevaerts: any www updates needed? |
| 22:33:32 | bertrik | The clip+ will probably be ready for stable in 3.8 I think |
| 22:33:33 | wodz | the only way is to bisect |
| 22:33:39 | TheSeven | should i also do this on the trunk? |
| 22:33:56 | wodz | TheSeven: yes and yes |
| 22:34:03 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I'd think www and trunk should really wait until the actual release time |
| 22:34:09 | gevaerts | If that's today, sure |
| 22:34:38 | TheSeven | what does the trunk change actually do? |
| 22:34:47 | CIA-8 | New commit by alex (r28382): Manual: correct swapped seek buttons for Hx00 remotes. |
| 22:34:57 | CIA-8 | New commit by alex (r28383): Manual: correct swapped seek buttons for Hx00 remotes. |
| 22:35:29 | gevaerts | TheSeven: builds.pm in trunk is the one that's used for things like http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi |
| 22:35:41 | TheSeven | aha. |
| 22:35:56 | * | TheSeven would have guessed that this is taking information from somewhere in the www svn |
| 22:35:59 | gevaerts | so yes, we need both |
| 22:36:42 | n1s | i'll pop in a note about nano2g becomming stable in the relnotes then |
| 22:36:45 | CIA-8 | r28383 build result: All green |
| 22:36:55 | TheSeven | n1s: sounds good |
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| 22:38:41 | AlexP | So I guess the build scripts in tools/release/ need version numbers updating |
| 22:39:22 | pixelma | AlexP: like http://amiconn.dyndns.org/~marianne/Remotes.svg ? If you could tell me which of these is the H100 one again and if you could tell me the labels... |
| 22:39:45 | AlexP | pixelma: Just like those :) |
| 22:40:08 | AlexP | top left is H100, middle and bottom left are h300 (although all work on all) |
| 22:40:25 | pixelma | the Iaudio one is already in the M3 manual |
| 22:40:31 | AlexP | ah, cool |
| 22:40:36 | AlexP | On the H100 remote: |
| 22:41:13 | AlexP | top left rocker is left = rewind, push = navi, right = ffd |
| 22:42:10 | AlexP | top right rocker is left = source, push = rec, right = bitrate |
| 22:42:20 | AlexP | bottom left is hold switch |
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| 22:42:49 | AlexP | bottom right rocker is left = vol down, push = a/b, right = vol up |
| 22:43:17 | AlexP | Then on the front the big centre button is play/pause, small top right button is stop |
| 22:46:34 | pixelma | the labels could probably get quite crowded, especially the top rocker switches, have to see |
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| 22:48:31 | CIA-8 | New commit by alex (r28384): Update version in release scripts to 3.7 |
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| 22:50:18 | AlexP | What's the deal with archos flash releases? Do they happen? |
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| 22:50:28 | AlexP | (I'm just going through the release checklist) |
| 22:51:23 | pixelma | I don't think they are needed everytime but don't know for sure |
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| 22:54:40 | AlexP | gevaerts: Does tools/version.sh need fiddling with too? |
| 22:54:58 | gevaerts | oh, maybe |
| 22:55:02 | * | gevaerts isn't sure |
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| 22:55:39 | AlexP | the 3.6 version seems to have: # XXX: Don't run the scripts and just display the release version |
| 22:55:39 | AlexP | echo "3.6RC" |
| 22:55:39 | AlexP | exit 0 |
| 22:55:44 | AlexP | added to it |
| 22:55:58 | AlexP | so even if it is needed, it wasn't correct for 3.6 :) |
| 22:57:10 | liar | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html <= are there some commits missing? |
| 22:57:31 | gevaerts | liar: that's only trunk I think |
| 22:57:33 | AlexP | liar: That only shows trunk |
| 22:57:43 | gevaerts | It's a bit elephanty |
| 22:57:47 | liar | i see :) |
| 22:57:48 | AlexP | so commits to the release branch are missing |
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| 22:59:42 | wodz | hmm wiki instructions for building manual on ubuntu are outdated |
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| 23:02:13 | wodz | ah I read it wrong - instructions are ok |
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| 23:12:43 | AlexP | gevaerts: yeah, it looks like tools/version.sh needs changing too, otherwise rockbox-info.txt reports the svn revision |
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| 23:32:17 | kugel | JdGordon: ok, I remembered it wrong (about RockboxFramebuffer). I'm sorry |
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