#rockbox 2010-10-31

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#rockbox log for 2010-10-31

00:00:19	mc2739	iirc, I just changed the links to previous/historical builds
00:01:07	mc2739	oops, there are links that need changing there
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00:02:57	CIA-8	New commit by mc2739 (r28404): Update byhand.cgi for 3.7 release
00:03:20	mc2739	Bagder: one more update please
00:03:35	Bagder	there
00:03:50	AlexP	Right, just some emails to go I think
00:03:56	AlexP	Coming up... :)
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00:07:38	AlexP	Will http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info also take a while to pick up the changes/for them to propagate?
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00:09:21	mc2739	that will probably update when the dailies run
00:09:28	Bagder	exactly
00:09:37	AlexP	ah, got it
00:10:07	AlexP	So rbutil won't get the new release till then, but a few hours won't matter :)
00:10:19	AlexP	Unless they run at midnight :)
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00:12:30	Bagder	03:00 CET I believe
00:12:42	AlexP	OK, ace
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00:13:12	Bagder	I wonder what happens if it had ben 02:00 this particular night...
00:13:35	Bagder	as I think 03:00 only happens once
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00:13:59	Bagder	"daylight savings hour"
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00:15:02	AlexP	Bagder: yeah, good point :)
00:18:02	AlexP	Given the way releases generally tend to sneak up on us, and then there are "discussions" about dates etc., I plan to set up a release calendar for the next time round
00:18:18	Bagder	sounds excellent!
00:18:31	AlexP	It won't of course be set in stone, but I think should give us a better idea of what should happen when
00:18:51	AlexP	So I guess google calendar would probably work well
00:19:15	AlexP	In this vein, are we going to try and get back to a three month cycle?
00:19:45	AlexP	I'll probably set it up for that, then post to -dev and if it gets decided to change it, we can change the calendar
00:21:04	*	kugel votes for 4 month cycle with (max) 3 point releases
00:21:12	kugel	point release as in 3.7.1
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00:21:45	AlexP	kugel: yes, if we are doing point releases (and I strongly feel we should) then maybe 4 month would make more sense
00:22:29	kugel	I'd also vote for 10 days of freeze and 4 days of branching instead of the current 7:7 split
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00:23:48	kugel	IMO the branch period is mostly a waste of time. if we discourage big commits to make backporting easier we can just as well extend the freeze period
00:26:01	AlexP	yeah, not much happens in the branch
00:28:02	n1s	i think the most important part is getting some person that is more or less responsible for the relese (call it a release manager if you will) that keeps track of what needs to be done and has the finalt go/nogo say
00:28:14	*	gevaerts cheers for 3.7
00:28:52	AlexP	n1s: I'm happy to do the admin bit
00:28:58	AlexP	well, maybe not happy :)
00:29:01	AlexP	willing :)
00:29:12	n1s	AlexP has had that kind of role this time i thin and gevaerts has had it before but i think we should agree on someone before each relese
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00:29:30	AlexP	yeah
00:29:38	Bagder	yes, that will help a lot
00:30:28	n1s	maybe something to do at the same time as the next freeze
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00:31:44	AlexP	I think it'd help to be sorted before that
00:31:53	*	gevaerts nods
00:31:58	AlexP	So that the person doing it can do things like start the freeze
00:32:21	n1s	sounds good
00:32:23	gevaerts	I'm happy to do these things, but this time it wasn't very convenient for me...
00:32:32	*	gevaerts blames evilnick
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00:36:52	AlexP	I'm just thinking of something like this for the release (look in February)
00:36:54	AlexP	http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=budlu5aq22827q4o5vl9oed450%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Paris
00:37:29	AlexP	Obviously it can be fleshed out with more/less/other tasks, but just something public well in advance so everyone knows where we are
00:38:12	gevaerts	seems reasonable
00:38:21	n1s	that calendar is blank for me
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00:38:31	AlexP	n1s: In february?
00:38:48	n1s	ah, next feb
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00:39:34	AlexP	most of the specific stuff will be for the release manager more than anything
00:39:41	n1s	right, so when should we choose the RM in this plan?
00:39:50	AlexP	Soon I'd say
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00:40:18	AlexP	Maybe an e-mail to -dev (or -committers?) would be in order
00:40:55	AlexP	No point waiting I don't think
00:41:05	n1s	it's more or less just formalizing something we have done informally but yes i think that is in order
00:41:39	n1s	hopefully we will have lees chaotic releases then :)
00:41:52	n1s	s/ee/es/
00:41:53	kugel	the RM should also annoy us soon enough to look out for commits which should go into 3.7 branch for the point releases
00:41:53	AlexP	yes :)
00:42:11	AlexP	yes, that too
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02:42:11	edboyer93	why does the rockbox utility still say that the fuze v2 is unstable?
02:46:22	JdGordon	because fuzev2 became stable last night and rbutil hasnt been updated?
02:50:49	edboyer93	yeah i guess so, after checking i see that the latest version of Rockbox Utility was released on 9-23-10
02:54:17	mc2739	try again in a couple of hours
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02:58:41	edboyer93	alright thanks, i just did a manual install instead
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02:39:45	Biont	Hi all. Before I left off, I was told I need this to be able to compile rb for android using cygwin: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11234?getfile=22708
02:40:16	S_a_i_n_t	you were told you might need that....not that you were ;)
02:40:35	S_a_i_n_t	*would, rather
02:40:53	Biont	Oh there you are^^ well I sure am a noob but it does look like it would solve the problem
02:42:00	Biont	at least it looks like it would prevent configure from looking for a linux sdk when used by cygwin
02:42:38	S_a_i_n_t	Only one way to find out ;)
02:42:42	Biont	but then again, I have no clue XD question is: what do I need to do with it?
02:43:48	S_a_i_n_t	Make sure the file is in your source folder (usually "rockbox), and use the command "patch"
02:44:13	S_a_i_n_t	"patch -p0 < filename_of_patch_file.patch" should work.
02:44:45	S_a_i_n_t	(without the quotes, substituting the correct filename)
02:45:54	S_a_i_n_t	then compile as normal.
02:47:13	Biont	"can't find file to patch at input line 3"
02:47:45	S_a_i_n_t	Ok, it was probably geberated with git instead of SVN then...try p1 instead of p0
02:47:55	S_a_i_n_t	"patch -p1 < filename_of_patch_file.patch" should work.
02:48:39	Biont	guess that worked
02:48:39	S_a_i_n_t	*generated, rather
02:48:45	Biont	at least it didn't complain this time
02:48:56	S_a_i_n_t	Sweet. Now compile as normal.
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02:50:28	Biont	dammit, now it doesn't find the sdk again. could you help me out with the proper command again please?
02:51:32	S_a_i_n_t	I'm not familiar with compiling for RaaA at all...it was probably someone else that helped you earlier.
02:52:00	Biont	yes, kugel told me. I just hoped you'd know
02:52:36	S_a_i_n_t	export VARIABLE=/path/to/sdk_or_ndk
02:52:45	S_a_i_n_t	(pulled it ot of my scrollback)
02:52:46	Biont	thank you
02:55:28	Biont	woot, no errors after configure
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02:57:39	Biont	hm...
02:57:52	Biont	convbdf: No such file or directory
02:58:30	S_a_i_n_t	is the source destination in your $PATH?
02:58:42	S_a_i_n_t	as, it should have no problems finding that.
02:59:01	S_a_i_n_t	unless your source checkout is incomplete
02:59:20	S_a_i_n_t	"echo $PATH"
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03:00:19	Biont	that displays lots of stuff which doesn't seem to be related to cygwin or rockbox
03:00:48	S_a_i_n_t	That's not very helpful ;) could you pastebin the output of "echo $PATH" please
03:01:22	Biont	I would if I knew how to copy text out of the cygwin terminal
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03:02:50	S_a_i_n_t	select the text with left click, copy it to the clipboard with right click
03:03:41	Biont	clicking does nothing at all :/ I'm uploading a screenshot if that's okay
03:04:19	S_a_i_n_t	You can also click the Cygqin icon, and selct edit
03:04:28	S_a_i_n_t	*CygWin
03:04:38	S_a_i_n_t	It's up the ttop left of the terminal window.
03:04:42	Biont	yep, I just figured that out
03:05:03	Biont	http://pastebin.com/c4w1yprF
03:07:28	S_a_i_n_t	and, what is the patch to the s/ndk?
03:08:24	S_a_i_n_t	*path
03:08:25	S_a_i_n_t	sorry
03:08:50	Biont	Biont@Biont-PC ~/rockbox/build $ export ANDROID_NDK_PATH=../../../android-ndk-r4b
03:09:35	Biont	I put them in /home
03:10:14	Biont	don't be mad if I screwed up there. It's been a while
03:10:58	Biont	:)
03:11:57	S_a_i_n_t	adding "cygdrive/c/Cygwin/home/<username>:" to your path should be sufficient
03:12:14	S_a_i_n_t	or, the equivalent
03:12:45	S_a_i_n_t	that's how it would look to me, on my patch, but I don't know your folder structure.
03:12:49	S_a_i_n_t	*path
03:13:52	Biont	so where would I add that?
03:14:16	S_a_i_n_t	usually, in your .bashrc
03:15:18	Biont	can I edit it with wordpad or the editor? I heard that could cause problems
03:16:21	S_a_i_n_t	add "PATH=cygdrive/c/path_to_home/<username>:" to your .bashrc file, make sure to use an editor that won't muck up the line endings.
03:16:57	S_a_i_n_t	obviously replacing "path_to_home/<username>" with the correct info.
03:17:34	S_a_i_n_t	SciTE is a good editor, and won't mess up your line endings.
03:19:30	Biont	so I just paste it to the end of the file?
03:20:11	S_a_i_n_t	yep. I'm just guessing this is the problem btw ;)
03:20:33	S_a_i_n_t	having the sdk in your path seems like a perfectly sane idea though ;p
03:21:29	S_a_i_n_t	you'l need to close/reopen cygwin, and then if you do "echo $PATH" again it should now include the path to the sdk
03:23:55	Biont	hm...this doesn't look good
03:24:03	S_a_i_n_t	?
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03:25:34	Biont	now it looks better :D
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03:28:36	S_a_i_n_t	Biont: Success?
03:29:07	Biont	make zip is running atm
03:29:15	Biont	damn...it's still the same
03:30:17	S_a_i_n_t	what's the error you're getting? are you running "make" before "make zip"?
03:31:39	Biont	whoops, no. I was mostly relying on this guide http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AndroidPort
03:32:22	Biont	I had the regular guide to compiling open, but didn't see that one, sorry
03:33:52	S_a_i_n_t	Ok, so...apparently I spun off on a tangent with the $PATH there, but...it shouldn;t hurt anything leaving it in your path...you can get a clean .bashrc from \etc\skel\ to replace the modified one.
03:34:26	S_a_i_n_t	It does state in the android guide to do a "make" also, I'd kinda assumed you'd seen that.
03:35:49	Biont	yeah, that was stupid
03:36:16	S_a_i_n_t	Not stupid, just unprepared...you'd no way to know.
03:36:29	S_a_i_n_t	except reading of course.
03:37:25	Biont	:D
03:37:52	Biont	"make apk (you need a debug signature setup for signing the apk)". does this say anything to you? because that command won't work for me
03:38:18	*	S_a_i_n_t shrugs.
03:39:06	Biont	http://pastebin.com/YUUyZnvU
03:40:48	S_a_i_n_t	Yeah..pass. All that tells me is that your dev environment isn't set up correctly.
03:41:03	S_a_i_n_t	But without a specific CygWin guide...I'm not really surprised.
03:41:20	S_a_i_n_t	I'd probably use a *nix VM personally.
03:41:23	Biont	hm...okay
03:41:44	Biont	yeah I tried that before
03:42:07	S_a_i_n_t	well, that should have worked fine.
03:42:44	Biont	I couldn't get it to connect to the internet
03:43:47	Biont	which is odd because I had it working 2 times before on other occasions...so it's not necessarily because I'm too dumb
03:44:50	S_a_i_n_t	Just go with one of the prebuilt .apks, less hassle.
03:45:48	S_a_i_n_t	Or try tracking down Ketut Putu Kumajaya (blackhawk)
03:46:03	S_a_i_n_t	He's obviously figured it out.
03:46:16	Biont	it's already running fine on my phone using one of the prebuilt ones
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03:47:21	Biont	compiling rb has been haunting be for some time now :D I though it might work this time XD
03:47:51	S_a_i_n_t	Well, if it wasn't for android...I could be of more help.
03:48:01	S_a_i_n_t	Very, very few devs use CygWin.
03:48:12	Biont	no problem man. Thank you a lot!
03:48:23	Biont	I know that :)
03:48:51	S_a_i_n_t	As I said, if you want to undo the changes to your path from earlier...grab a clean .bashrc file from etc\skel\
03:49:24	Biont	I kight as well have a shot at the vm version again
03:49:28	Biont	*might
03:50:30	Biont	at least, that's a lot easier to install
03:50:37	S_a_i_n_t	And if you want to kill CygWin completely, it's as simpleas deleting the .cygwin folder.
03:50:54	S_a_i_n_t	*cygwin, rather
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03:51:44	Biont	good to know
03:51:53	Biont	I'm afk for a cigarette
03:52:03	LeonTrollski	hello
03:52:29	LeonTrollski	i seem to have a problem :<
03:54:00	LeonTrollski	specifically, a sansa fuze v.1 with rockbox 3.7
03:54:19	LeonTrollski	USB mode keeps turning on and off when i plug it into the computer
03:54:23	LeonTrollski	what do
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04:02:06	Biont	re ...thank you for your help again. Guess I'll just try vmware again
04:02:14	Biont	goodbye
04:02:30	S_a_i_n_t	0/
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04:03:49	LeonTrollski	im sorry if this is answered somewhere on the fora/website somewhere. i searched but no luck.
04:05:05	S_a_i_n_t	I think this happens when the bootloader doesn't support USB, and the build expects it to...did you only update the .rockbox folder, or did you do a complete installation?
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04:06:27	LeonTrollski	i did a complete install, but the utility installed 3.6 and i just put in the 7.7 .rockbox manually
04:06:34	LeonTrollski	3.7*
04:06:41	S_a_i_n_t	That's why.
04:06:42	LeonTrollski	so i suppose that may be the problem
04:07:09	S_a_i_n_t	You can either wait for rbutil to support 3.7, or do a full manual installation.
04:08:39	LeonTrollski	do i need to uninstall the old one before doing a manual install?
04:08:54	LeonTrollski	or will it overwrite correctly?
04:09:25	S_a_i_n_t	It should do.
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06:03:13	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: hypothetically, if we could do bmp selectors... how would you expect it to be configured?
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06:03:35	JdGordon	and the list scrollbar also
06:03:43	JdGordon	whack em in the sbs?
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06:04:51	S_a_i_n_t	errr, ...yes. seems sensible.
06:05:13	JdGordon	not really.. but its about as good as we can do for now :/
06:06:01	S_a_i_n_t	the problem is, or, a problem...is that I'm not 100% all the screens thta could have a scrollbar have .sbs support.
06:06:04	S_a_i_n_t	Or, do they?
06:06:27	JdGordon	99% of them do
06:07:28	JdGordon	does the scrollbar go inside the ui viewport? or outside of it?
06:08:09	S_a_i_n_t	I'd say outside, personally.
06:08:33	S_a_i_n_t	Or so you mean what it should do?
06:08:45	S_a_i_n_t	It oes go outside the viewport AKAIK
06:08:47	S_a_i_n_t	*does
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06:10:38	JdGordon	so I should do it floating like the %Lt tag? where if it is in the sbs the list will pass of the drawing?
06:10:47	JdGordon	leave its placement entirely up to the theme?
06:11:58	JdGordon	the selector bmp should probably be set inside the %Vi viewport so you could have different ones for each conditional ui vp
06:13:37	S_a_i_n_t	I'm trying to think about how the built in one is done.
06:13:49	S_a_i_n_t	Errrr...do it like that, but with a bitmap ;)
06:14:20	S_a_i_n_t	I imagine the scrollbar will be a lot easier than the line selector to implement
06:14:50	JdGordon	actually no :p
06:15:07	JdGordon	well, much of a muchness really
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06:40:12	webguest94	hi all
06:40:45	webguest94	is there any one can help me wit my ipod nano??
06:41:14	S_a_i_n_t	depends what's wrong with it.
06:41:40	webguest94	after install rockbox... i can not get it connect to the pc any more
06:42:29	JdGordon	hmm... scrolling once again kills everything
06:42:49	webguest94	??
06:42:50	JdGordon	you dont want to scroll over the entire bmp... that wont work
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06:43:23	S_a_i_n_t	webguest94: What Nano is it? And what version of Rockbox did you install.
06:43:36	S_a_i_n_t	Also, what happens when you connect it to your PC
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06:44:19	webguest94	nano 1g rockbox current version...
06:44:37	S_a_i_n_t	and, what happens when you connect it?
06:44:40	webguest94	it said usd need more power
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06:46:47	S_a_i_n_t	webguest94: What does it say exactly when you plug it in?
06:48:01	webguest94	umm...give me 1 sec i have to chnage my OS to english
06:49:36	webguest94	when i plug it into windows, it donot show up any error msg...
06:49:45	webguest94	but just not connect up
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06:50:37	S_a_i_n_t	what happens on the Ipod's screen?
06:51:20	webguest94	normal rockbox menue screan
06:52:26	S_a_i_n_t	have you tried a different USB port, or a different cable if possible?
06:52:44	webguest94	yes
06:53:14	S_a_i_n_t	Is the Apple firmware detected by the OS?
06:54:54	webguest94	how can i go to apple firmware??
06:55:45	S_a_i_n_t	power the player off using PLAY, then restart it and quickly flip the hold switch on.
06:57:19	webguest94	it work
06:57:51	S_a_i_n_t	So, the OS detects the player in the Apple firmware?
06:57:58	webguest94	yes
06:58:10	S_a_i_n_t	Right, restart the player using menu+select to boot rockbox.
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06:59:29	S_a_i_n_t	does not read...what?
06:59:56	webguest94	done not connect
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08:21:39	bertrik	JdGordon, do you think the radio RSSI patch ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8151 ) is good enough to be committed?
08:22:01	bertrik	It doesn't have the graphic yet, but I think we can commit this first and do the graphic later.
08:23:01	bertrik	Is there any policy on WPS tags naming? if so, is it OK like it's done in the v11 patch?
08:23:15	JdGordon	yes, its fine as is (once its in I can fix the skin side pretty quickly)
08:23:45	JdGordon	can you add some helpers to give an idea of the RSSI if it is actually usable or not?
08:24:03	JdGordon	I mean, can the drivers be told "this range would be 1 bar, this 2 bars"
08:24:13	JdGordon	otherwise its up to percentages which doesnt make sens
08:24:13	JdGordon	e
08:28:54	bertrik	No, I think it is very hard to this for every radio in an objective way (because probably nobody has targets covering all tuner chips).
08:29:16	bertrik	We have RSSI_MIN now which represents "no bars" and RSSI_MAX which represents "max bars"
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08:29:36	JdGordon	and RSSI_CURRENT which is "some bars" ?
08:29:54	JdGordon	themers will have to use %if() to do some meaningful representation?
08:29:58	bertrik	And we could tweak RSSI_MIN up a bit, to mean something like "very weak reception" (RSSI_MAX -> very good reception)
08:30:10	JdGordon	(i.e if RSSI > X show 1, >Y show 2)
08:31:52	bertrik	If was thinking of interpolating it linearly between RSSI_MIN and RSSI_MAX, something like "image index" = "number of images" * (current - min) / (max - min)
08:32:26	JdGordon	right, but that doesnt really make sense does it?
08:32:58	JdGordon	1/4 of the rssi range doesnt mean 1 bar
08:32:59	bertrik	why not? what exactly should the graphic show then, other than RSSI ?
08:34:42	bertrik	We could define a curve for each tuner that maps RSSI to "reception quality"
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08:35:34	JdGordon	thats what I was trying to say, but simpler :) it really only needs 4 steps
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08:37:02	bertrik	Many tuners offer much more resolution. Maybe a themer wants 8 steps.
08:37:23	tmzt	you could use rds biterror as extra information if present
08:39:03	S_a_i_n_t	I'd probably just go for "good/shit".
08:39:29	tmzt	use a vu dial or leds like a car radio :)
08:39:31	bertrik	tmzt, that would make it more complex IMO, AFAIK there's only one tuner in rockbox targets that could do this and it's not enabled in the driver yet
08:39:36	tmzt	or a FM STEREO led
08:39:56	bertrik	tmzt, I think we already have a FMS tag for stereo
08:40:10	n1s	there is
08:41:13	S_a_i_n_t	indeedy
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09:17:50	AlexP	JdGordon: RBUtil reads a list of which players are stabe and what the latest release is from the website, which is only updated once daily (at 03:00 CET IBagderRC)
09:19:20	CIA-8	New commit by nls (r28405): libtremor: introduce asm optimized version of the channel_couple function for Coldfire and optimize the arm as version, speedup ~1% on Coldfire and ...
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10:40:26	pixelma	I find two reports of non-working USB connection shortly after the release a bit weird
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10:50:17	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: I believe it has to do with build/bootloader missmatch
10:50:32	pixelma	on older Ipods?
10:50:45	S_a_i_n_t	Ah...no.
10:51:00	pixelma	it was about a Nano 1st gen and a Video
10:51:33	S_a_i_n_t	The nano1st gen I have no idea what was going on...and he just abruptly left
10:51:39	S_a_i_n_t	the Video I have not seen.
10:52:21	pixelma	maybe I should try on my c200, pp too at least
10:52:51	S_a_i_n_t	Unfortunately I don't Nano1Gs anymore
10:53:08	S_a_i_n_t	otherwise I would have more insight into the Nano1g...but, alas.
10:53:27	S_a_i_n_t	s/don't/don't have any/
10:55:45	JdGordon	does anyone have any suggestions what title to give the android keyboard input dialog?
10:56:04	AlexP	Colin?
10:56:21	JdGordon	"Rockbox wants your input" isnt really nice
10:56:32	S_a_i_n_t	Phillipe
10:56:33	AlexP	sorry, wrong channel :)
10:57:19	S_a_i_n_t	Does it need a title?
10:57:28	S_a_i_n_t	Isn't it pretty obvious what's happening?
10:59:52	JdGordon	no, the previous screen slides away
10:59:52	JdGordon	some sort of title would be nice
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11:01:03	S_a_i_n_t	the same thing happens in RB (without a screen transition), and there's no title.
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11:01:18	S_a_i_n_t	But, I guess.
11:01:22	AlexP	but there it is obvious you are still in Rockbox
11:01:47	JdGordon	I would evetually like to pass a title to kbd_input() so it can be shown, but untill then..?
11:01:54	JdGordon	just "Rockbox"?
11:02:07	S_a_i_n_t	I just can't think of anything that doesn't read like a book, or sound bloody obvious like "Keyboard"
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11:03:37	JdGordon	I'll get a screenshot up to show how it looks...
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11:07:29	JdGordon	http://imagebin.ca/view/Espzz5Rx.html
11:08:54	JdGordon	OH FUCKING HELL, WHY IS GRID MODE STILL FUCKING DEFAULT!
11:08:57	JdGordon	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
11:11:47	JdGordon	so, any suggestions?
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11:17:38	S_a_i_n_t	go all clinical on its ass..."Rockbox: Input Required"
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11:29:06	pixelma	ok, the c200's r3.7 doesn't have problems establishing a USB data connection on XP but even though it's very similar to the Ipods it's still not 100% the same. I think someone else with an Ipod should try too
11:35:46	CIA-8	New commit by jdgordon (r28406): Clean up usage of RockboxService. Add a proper way to check if rockbox is actually running (checking RockboxService.fb != null was very very bad)
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11:40:04	kugel	saying "RockboxService.fb != null was very very bad", but solving it with a getter wrapper and declaring it clean now...
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11:40:32	JdGordon	yes, statis fields are not good OO
11:40:47	JdGordon	either do the singleton or dont
11:41:01	kugel	singleton == static
11:41:12	kugel	in essence
11:41:20	JdGordon	i suggest you go back to school then.. no it isnt
11:41:52	kugel	I'll go back to school then, daddy
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11:47:01	kugel	JdGordon: is your eclipse adding these @Override when implementing interfaces?
11:47:38	kugel	the eclipse on my laptop also did that, but on my desktop it says it's an error
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11:49:40	bertrik	maybe a difference in java version, or in java compliance level
11:51:29	kugel	I'm wondering if we should use camelCase in the java files for our own code too. the android api (and all java anyway) is camelCase so it looks very strange when mixed with our under_score scheme
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12:11:54	bertrik	On my clip+, the code for configuring the MCLK for I2S input don't seem to make any difference at all, it looks like recording uses the same clock as playback
12:12:30	kugel	Lear: what's your question?
12:13:10	bertrik	in other words, I can just comment out the configuration code and it still works as expected
12:13:28	kugel	does the bootloader set it?
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12:13:44	Lear	How to generate the R.java file from the makefiles. Seems like it is assumed to be created via Eclipse or something.
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12:14:02	bertrik	possibly, I'll have to check whether pcm-as3525 is included in the bootloader
12:14:31	kugel	Lear: "make $PWD/gen/org/rockbox/R.java" should work
12:14:40	bertrik	anyway, it appears we don't need to code because even recording at different sample rates works normally without the extra configuration
12:14:48	kugel	but it should be (re-)generated automatically
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12:16:08	Lear	When I run "make apk" I get this message: "ERROR: resource directory '<path...>\android\res' does not exist".
12:17:14	kugel	strange, it exists doesn't it?
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12:17:53	Lear	That's when running the AAPT command. Does that create/update the R.java file?
12:18:02	Lear	Not the res folder, no.
12:18:14	kugel	there must be a res folder
12:18:34	kugel	unless what you abbreviated as "<path>..." isn't what I think it is
12:18:49	kugel	do you build on cygwin?
12:19:32	Lear	I abbreviated it. Didn't think the full path was interesting. And yes, that's on Cygwin, yes (after fixing the configure script).
12:19:44	kugel	the full path is always interesting when something doesn't exist
12:20:04	Lear	Well, the path was okay, except the "res" bit.
12:20:11	kugel	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11234 has a patch which fixes building on cygwin
12:22:07	Lear	Ah, I missed that when I had a quick look at that task. Thanks.
12:24:11	Lear	And I was a bit too quick about that res path; res does exist (I looked in the build directory first :). Having backslashes as separators might be the problem. But I'll test the build patch first.
12:24:46	kugel	the res dir is in <svnroot>/android, not in the build dir
12:29:12	Lear	Ah, that worked better. Now I just need to make sure javac is in my path.
12:32:36	Lear	Did get this message though: "THIS TOOL IS DEPRECATED." When runnin APK it seems.
12:32:58	kugel	that's known
12:34:14	kugel	JdGordon: nice work on the keyboard
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12:40:29	kugel	JdGordon: unfortunately you don't seem to have cared a lot about existing coding style (tabs, brace placement)
12:48:45	Lear	Oh, the default statusbar is tiny. :)
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13:40:51	CIA-8	New commit by wodz (r28413): Fix and extend imageviewer png support. FS #11641 by me
13:41:13	LambdaCalculus37	Bagder, Zagor: (for the logs) Could one of you add the HDD6330 bootloader, sim, and checkwps to the build system?
13:42:06	teru	can anyone please check the patch on FS #11682, especially manual part? patch is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11682?getfile=22745
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13:43:00	LambdaCalculus37	teru: Sure.
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13:45:50	LambdaCalculus37	teru: I'll fix the wording in the manual portion of your patch and commit it.
13:46:51	teru	thank you.
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13:48:05	Francy	Hello
13:48:21	Francy	Hello
13:48:26	AlexP	yes, hello
13:48:34	AlexP	If you have a question please just ask
13:48:43	Francy	Hi, where can I find the gameboy emulator? On the page the plugin do not link to the download ...
13:48:49	AlexP	It is included
13:48:53	AlexP	as are all plugins
13:49:06	AlexP	Just click on a ROM as you would a music file
13:49:40	AlexP	(assuming it works on your player)
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13:50:50	Francy	What do you call the plugin that emulates the Game Boy?
13:50:56	LambdaCalculus37	Rockboy.
13:51:37	Francy	Among the plugins do not play ...
13:51:39	AlexP	I just told you, click on the ROM image. It is a viewer, it doesn't appear on the plugin list (the manual explains this)
13:51:54	Francy	Not else between games
13:52:01	AlexP	I don't understand
13:52:42	Francy	Excuse me if I do not speak English well, I'm Italian
13:54:07	Francy	gameboy emulator where it should be?
13:54:10	AlexP	[13:51:38] <AlexP> I just told you, click on the ROM image. It is a viewer, it doesn't appear on the plugin list (the manual explains this)
13:54:29	Francy	I understand thanks = D
13:55:04	Francy	Just download the roms and the select and start?
13:55:15	AlexP	Don't ask about ROMs here
13:55:39	AlexP	Unless the legal homebrew type
13:55:40	Francy	I know
13:55:50	Francy	I download the legal roms
13:55:51	AlexP	But yes, once you have the rom, select it as you would a music file
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13:56:40	JdGordon	why does the "DB not read, Initialize now" splash not end in a ?
13:56:49	JdGordon	or have I messed up the c->java again?
13:57:09	AlexP	I thought it did, but I couldn't swear to it
13:57:23	LambdaCalculus37	teru: Your patch builds green and works. In it goes. :)
13:57:30	JdGordon	looks like it doesnt
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14:00:36	LambdaCalculus37	teru: Want to commit it?
14:01:42	teru	yeah. does the manual look ok?
14:02:11	LambdaCalculus37	teru: I did make a little change to the manual portion of the patch. If you'd like, I can also commit the patch for you on my end and include the wording fixes I made to the manual.
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14:05:02	LambdaCalculus37	teru: I didn't intend of committing it right away, and my message was incomplete.
14:05:09	Francy	I downloaded a game for the gbc, how do I get it to work?
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14:05:41	Francy	I downloaded a game for the gbc, how do I get it to work?
14:07:04	LambdaCalculus37	Francy: Pleaes stop repeating your question. AlexP already explained to you how to play GB/GBC games.
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14:08:04	teru	LambdaCalculus37: thank you for checking.
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14:26:12	kugel	JdGordon: was that change to KeyboardActivity intented?
14:26:41	JdGordon	yes
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14:29:42	wodz	AlexP: Do I need to change something to include png imageviewer plugin in manual for non color targets?
14:31:29	AlexP	wodz: Yes, edit manual/plugins/main.tex and change the \opt(s)
14:31:43	AlexP	What is it now dependent on?
14:33:26	AlexP	also edit manual/plugins/pngviewer.tex for things like buttonmaps
14:33:32	AlexP	And screenshots too :)
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14:36:37	knopper	hmm my brother just bought a new Sansa Fuze MP3 player, but he dont wants, to make me rockbox on it, and so im considering to buy a fuze+, but does rockbox run on this model also?
14:36:44	knopper	i think its very new or?
14:37:26	Alchimysta	Hi
14:37:33	AlexP	knopper: No it doesn't
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14:38:01	knopper	my brother has a fuze v2, i think it is also new or?
14:38:03	Alchimysta	Posso fare una domanda? Svilupperete rockbox per Ipod Nano 3G?
14:38:08	AlexP	English please
14:38:09	Alchimysta	Can I ask a question? Will develop Rockbox for Ipod Nano 3G?
14:38:15	AlexP	If someone does it
14:38:25	AlexP	Ports are done by interested owners, not on demand
14:38:36	AlexP	knopper: The Fuze v2 is supported
14:38:42	knopper	and how long does the fuze v2 port take?
14:38:51	knopper	a year?
14:39:00	AlexP	Do you mean how long did it take?
14:39:12	knopper	yes from the v1 port to the v2 port
14:39:22	AlexP	That is irrelevent
14:39:27	knopper	because v2 is very new or
14:39:32	AlexP	New hardware = nobody knows
14:39:42	knopper	i only know that v1 was released in 2008
14:39:51	knopper	v2 also?
14:39:58	AlexP	That doesn't matter, they are different players
14:40:09	AlexP	They may have the same name and case, but they are different inside
14:40:22	knopper	so the fuze+ too? ^^
14:40:26	AlexP	It is impossible to say how long a port will take
14:40:38	AlexP	Nobody is working on the Fuze+ to my knoweldge
14:40:46	knopper	ah ok
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14:41:27	Alchimysta	I did not understand. So do not go out no version of Rockbox for iPod nano 4G?
14:41:34	AlexP	no
14:42:20	knopper	ipod is irrelvant, u can buy an ipod touch, than jailbreak it, and then you can do nearly everything
14:42:30	AlexP	That is just silly
14:42:30	Alchimysta	Ho sbagliato a scrivere: Non ho capito bene. Quindi non uscirà mai la versione di rockbox per ipod nano 3g?
14:42:36	AlexP	English only
14:42:43	Alchimysta	I was wrong to write: I did not understand. So do not go out no version of Rockbox for iPod nano 3G?
14:42:49	AlexP	no, there is not
14:43:06	AlexP	All the models that work with Rockbox are listed on www.rockbox.org
14:43:28	Alchimysta	I know
14:43:41	AlexP	So what is there not to understand?
14:43:42	knopper	but i wonder why there is no port for an ipod touch, because soo many people have it
14:43:52	AlexP	Because nobody has done it
14:44:02	knopper	so my conclusion is, they jailbreak it, and there is no more need for rockbox
14:44:02	AlexP	Ports are done by interested owners
14:44:28	AlexP	Rockbox as a firmware replacement makes no sense on the touch
14:44:35	AlexP	Rockbox as an application might do
14:44:46	knopper	so rockbox is not an os?
14:44:48	AlexP	But a port is hard work, and is only done by those that want to use it
14:44:49	knopper	linix os?
14:44:52	knopper	linux
14:44:53	AlexP	Yes, it is on OS
14:44:54	Alchimysta	I did not understand. But the version created for ipod nano 3g?
14:44:58	AlexP	No, it is not based on linux
14:45:04	knopper	ah ok
14:45:07	AlexP	Alchimysta: There is NO version for nano 3g
14:45:11	knopper	ok than its hard ^^
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14:45:31	Alchimysta	Ma uscirà?
14:45:34	AlexP	ENGLISH
14:45:45	Breaking	Hi guys....
14:45:45	Alchimysta	But it will come out?
14:45:57	AlexP	Alchimysta: Only if someone who wants it does the work
14:46:04	AlexP	Alchimysta: Nobody is working on it
14:46:56	Breaking	Why?
14:47:03	AlexP	Why what?
14:47:22	Alchimysta	Breaking sei Alchimista?
14:47:27	Breaking	yep
14:47:38	AlexP	really, for the last time - English only in here
14:47:40	knopper	if it is not based on linux and so a completly new os, than its hard work
14:47:44	knopper	yes^^
14:47:47	AlexP	That is already done
14:47:55	AlexP	For new ports drivers need writing
14:47:57	AlexP	etc.
14:48:07	knopper	hmm so a new port there are only small changes?
14:48:10	AlexP	There is also a port of Rockbox to work as an application
14:48:16	AlexP	That depends on the hardware
14:48:19	knopper	ok
14:48:23	AlexP	Usually a new player = new hardware
14:48:29	AlexP	So it is not easy, no
14:48:30	knopper	ok
14:48:32	AlexP	Read read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPor
14:48:36	AlexP	er, read www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
14:48:39	Alchimysta	Is there a emulator to emulate the Game Boy Advance on Rockbox?
14:48:45	AlexP	No
14:48:59	Alchimysta	out?
14:49:04	AlexP	?
14:49:21	knopper	ahh ive red it
14:49:28	knopper	c and assembler ^^
14:49:30	AlexP	That is how it works
14:49:33	knopper	thats not easy
14:49:38	AlexP	well yes, it is an OS
14:50:24	Alchimysta	Where can I find more games for Rockbox?
14:50:30	AlexP	They are included
14:50:39	Breaking	Thank you for your work. We look for the version for iPod Nano 3G. Hello and good day
14:50:42	knopper	i think these are all games already or?
14:51:03	AlexP	Other than that, there is a gameboy emulator, the spectrum zx emulator, the frotz port
14:51:16	AlexP	Breaking: Don't hold your breath, nobody is working on it
14:51:54	Alchimysta	Where do I find other versions of doom?
14:52:08	AlexP	You mean wad files?
14:52:35	Alchimysta	Yes
14:52:37	AlexP	The internet
14:52:50	AlexP	No idea if they will work with the Doom port in Rockbox
14:53:27	Alchimysta	ok..
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14:54:57	Alchimysta	<AlexP>: Che lavoro svolgi per rockbox?
14:55:06	Alchimysta	<AlexP>: What work plays in Rockbox?
14:55:13	AlexP	I asked you four times now, ENGLISH ONLY
14:55:23	AlexP	And I don't understand that question
14:56:02	Alchimysta	<AlexP> :Why do you always respond?
14:56:14	AlexP	Because I'm trying to help you
14:56:35	S_a_i_n_t	And to tell you repeatedly that this channel is ENGLISH only
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14:56:52	Alchimysta	Ah ok I understand
14:57:26	Alchimysta	But you have to put one that responds in Italian because it is difficult to talk with the translator of google ...!
14:57:37	AlexP	Not that I know of
14:57:52	AlexP	If someone can help you in Italian, they can PM you
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14:59:05	Alchimysta	The release of Rockbox are created by whom?
14:59:12	AlexP	The developers
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14:59:44	Alchimysta	So anyone can create a version of Rockbox?
14:59:54	AlexP	If they obey the licence, sure
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15:01:05	Alchimysta	Ok, thanks for answering :D
15:01:13	AlexP	We would prefer people to work with us and contribute, but it is open source so if people stick to the licence they can do what they want
15:01:30	wodz	AlexP: png viewer should depend on lcd_bitmap now
15:02:24	AlexP	wodz: great - the changes in manual/plugins/main.tex is trivial, the ones in manual/plugins/pngviewer.tex are slightly longer, the buttonmaps need adding
15:02:40	AlexP	Then screenshots are just a pain in the backside, but the sim can do them
15:03:45	wodz	AlexP: hmm I can see buttons defined for B&W and grey targets in pngviewer.tex
15:03:52	AlexP	oh, cool
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15:04:18	AlexP	oh yes, me too
15:04:21	AlexP	good spot :)
15:04:56	wodz	so trivial change to plugins/main.tex and screenshots right?
15:04:57	AlexP	Actually, there aren't any screenshots for anything
15:05:11	AlexP	So don't worry about them
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15:05:17	AlexP	Just main.text then
15:05:21	wodz	:-)
15:05:26	AlexP	:)
15:06:08	n1s	screenshots for an image viewer makes no sense :)
15:06:15	AlexP	there are a couple of opts to change
15:06:20	AlexP	n1s: Indeed not :)
15:06:31	wodz	would you be so kind to make such change - I don't feel confident with manual thing
15:06:32	AlexP	wodz: lcd_color for lcd_bitmap for the include
15:06:34	AlexP	sure
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15:07:13	wodz	have to go :/
15:07:16	teru	jpeg viewer, png viewer and bmp viewer share button map, so tables in the manual would be same.
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15:07:26	AlexP	Not in the manual
15:07:36	AlexP	they are seperate tex files
15:08:48	pixelma	they could share one extra buttontable file which could be linked from pngviewer.tex (or whatever it is called)
15:09:01	AlexP	yep, but they don't currently :)
15:10:17	pixelma	would be nice probably - same reason I split out the keymaps from the main platform files (e.g. before all Ipods that share same keypad defined their own and would have needed editing a few different files for one change
15:10:40	pixelma	if the c code is shared...
15:10:48	AlexP	yep, would be goo
15:10:49	AlexP	d
15:11:29	pixelma	do we have a Mr.ManualSomeone? ;)
15:12:13	AlexP	hehe :)
15:12:35	AlexP	We do have a ManualToDo or somesuch
15:12:58	pixelma	true but when was it last changed? Must be aaaages ago
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15:15:40	CIA-8	New commit by alex (r28417): Manual: PNG Viewer is no longer only for colour LCDs
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15:25:35	pixelma	AlexP: did you also have a look at the disktidy patch which LambdaCalculus committed before? I find the use of '*' a bit too much
15:25:48	AlexP	I'm just looking now
15:26:05	AlexP	There is also a "the" not capitalised after a full stop
15:26:23	pixelma	in the manual part. I know teru asked before and LambdaCalculus said he'd have a look
15:26:30	AlexP	yeah, manual part
15:27:50	AlexP	I'm rewriting a bit now
15:30:12	AlexP	also US spelling :)
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15:31:38	S_a_i_n_t	me finds the UK manual/US source bloody confusing...
15:31:43	S_a_i_n_t	+/
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15:34:32	AlexP	pixelma: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/283847/
15:34:49	AlexP	S_a_i_n_t: I don't see why - US source code is standard, so we use that
15:35:10	AlexP	We chose to use UK spelling for the manual/user facing stuff
15:35:28	AlexP	We have to suffer all the bloody time with US spelling, so for once they can do likewise :)
15:36:23	S_a_i_n_t	It's just the mix of the two I find weird...should flip a coin for one or the other ;)
15:36:35	S_a_i_n_t	(a loaded one, so UK wins ;p)
15:36:38	AlexP	No, as source isn't going to change
15:36:59	AlexP	there isn't really a choice there
15:37:35	AlexP	You wouldn't find e.g. English source code and French UI weird, think of it like that
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15:42:55	pixelma	AlexP: sounds nicer but I'm not sure about the "OS" thing getting lost - if you know th plugin a bit, you know that there are predefined choices for cleaning Windows, Mac or some Linux filebrowser specific files and folders. It wasn't very descriptive before either though, so I guess leaving it to the user to see while trying is enough
15:43:30	AlexP	pixelma: I mainly removed that as "OS's" is wrong and "OSs" looks funny
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15:43:45	pixelma	ah, I see that it is in the menu item's description
15:44:00	n1s	Operating systems?
15:44:10	AlexP	yes, it could be expanded
15:44:13	pixelma	AlexP: so yeah, no objections :)
15:44:51	AlexP	also, it isn't just OS files
15:44:58	AlexP	I'm not fussed one way or the other :)
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16:25:52	Biont	Hello! I'm back with some fresh error messages that occur while trying to compile for android
16:27:08	Biont	oh wait, let me try something first
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16:32:58	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r28421): Add support multimedia keys/buttons to the core, and adapt Rockbox on android for it (multimedia buttons are found on wired headsets and the lock ...
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16:35:03	Biont	alright... http://pastebin.com/7pMGLnax
16:35:16	Biont	any idea what I need to do?
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16:36:04	gevaerts	install a java compiler, possibly?
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16:36:49	kugel	Biont: you should have a java compiler if you followed the installation guide for the sdk
16:38:00	kugel	hm, it seems RaaAoA got a lot more user friendly just today
16:38:55	Biont	hm...I didn't read about that anywhere
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16:40:46	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r28422): tabs -> spaces in the new Yesno java files and remove unused imports.
16:41:56	kugel	Biont: if you have debian/ubuntu/mind do sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
16:42:33	Biont	thank you
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16:44:55	Biont	I can't believe it! I just compiled rockbox :D
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17:04:23	kugel	oh iap makes firmware->apps calls
17:04:55	kugel	maybe not
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17:08:36	kugel	iap seems to be an ideal candidate for the multimedia buttons
17:09:01	kugel	the buttons are apparently currently used for the action system, but it's probably a lot more useful to use them as multimedia buttons
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17:12:34	kugel	perhaps it would be more useful on other devices with a remote as well, although I can imagine that on remotes with a display you want to use the buttons in the classic way
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17:22:35	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r28423): Default to absolute point mode on RaaA and Onda targets. Cowon D2 and MRobe 500 stick to grid mode for now.
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17:25:26	webguest13	Why isn't the new multimedia code protected by #ifdef?
17:25:40	webguest13	kugel: ^^
17:25:45	kugel	where?
17:26:22	webguest13	In the .c files
17:26:40	kugel	which?
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17:27:47	webguest13	kugel: menu.c
17:28:55	kugel	it's ifdeffed in misc, in the other places it's too minor to obfuscate the code with #ifdefs
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17:30:15	webguest13	It's not much, but it's a bit weird to see the code with HANG_UP in the "simple" builds. But I agree that it may be isn't worth the hassle
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17:40:46	Biont	test
17:41:05	Biont	??
17:41:38	Biont	okay my connection seems to be acting up :/
17:42:06	Biont	http://pastebin.com/SRbFDe0p I don't know if this got through
17:44:23	kugel	Biont: my bad
17:44:31	kugel	I wonder why the build system didn't catch that
17:44:37	Biont	okay
17:45:16	CIA-8	New commit by kugel (r28424): Fix red. Why did it go unnoticed through the build system?
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17:46:55	kugel	I think we could start handing out android builds soon
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17:47:19	Biont	that would be great XD
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17:50:20	preglow	i sure want a new one :>
17:50:45	Biont	can't wait to test that kinetic scrolling
17:50:49	preglow	indeed
17:50:52	preglow	and absolute mdoe
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17:50:57	preglow	grid mode made me a bit crazier than usual
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17:51:56	pixelma	you could have switched to absolute point before
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17:56:35	hstammlerj	Hi there!
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17:59:18	hstammlerj	Can anybody help me by inserting some data to the wiki? I've tested an ipod accessory and would like to share the data...
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18:00:34	kugel	preglow: I put new builds up
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18:01:30	Alchimysta	Hello
18:01:43	pixelma	hstammlerj: did you already register (which wiki name then) and ask for write access?
18:02:15	Alchimysta	I would have to ask yourself one question: Is there a 'NES emulator for Rockbox?
18:02:21	AlexP	no
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18:02:27	Alchimysta	no?
18:02:31	AlexP	Alchimysta: In future, please check the manual
18:02:41	Alchimysta	Ah ok , excuse me...
18:03:01	hstammlerj	pixelma: I tried, but the page only refreshs by clicking register, seems there is something going wrong... so my idea was to give the data somebody who has access...
18:03:42	Alchimysta	But come out the other emulators for Rockbox?
18:04:45	AlexP	Alchimysta: I don't understand the question
18:05:57	Alchimysta	In the future, create new emulators for Rockbox?
18:06:23	AlexP	Anyone can work on anything they want
18:06:26	preglow	pixelma: interesting :>
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18:06:31	preglow	kugel: sweet, i'll try em out
18:06:37	AlexP	Alchimysta: Developers just work on what they are interested in
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18:07:04	AlexP	Alchimysta: However more recent consoles will be difficult - daps have very limited resources
18:07:29	kugel	there's a patch for nes emulator but it has license problems
18:08:41	Alchimysta	The NES console in 1990
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18:08:59	AlexP	yes, but emulation is very very hardware intensive
18:09:08	AlexP	Anyway, NES should just about be possible
18:10:30	Alchimysta	<kugel>: What patch?
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18:12:35	kugel	Alchimysta: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2911
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18:13:44	cormon	What is the best device to rockbox with the most features?
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18:16:22	Alchimysta	What happened to the project of 'NES emulator?
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18:17:09	hstammlerj	seems there is nobody to catch the info?
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18:18:14	soap	cormon, there is no one device with the most features.
18:18:18	AlexP	cormon: All targets have all features that the hardware supports
18:18:22	AlexP	(more or less)
18:18:46	cormon	ok
18:18:49	soap	cormon, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
18:19:50	AlexP	although that is incomplete these days
18:20:00	soap	hstammlerj, if you wish to email me the info, just make sure to give me data for every table column. hstammlerj@cleansoap.org
18:20:18	soap	it's a wiki, fix it AlexP!
18:21:16	hstammlerj	soap: Thank you very much, you'll have mail in some minutes. :-)
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18:21:35	AlexP	soap: thanks :)
18:23:25	Alchimysta	as that between a song and another, when I change, there's a space of 2-3 seconds?
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18:26:27	Alchimysta	as that between a song and another, when I change song, there's a space of 2-3 seconds?
18:26:49	AlexP	Alchimysta: Please don't repeat your question, wait for someone to answer
18:27:14	AlexP	I take it you mean that when you skip song, there is a pause?
18:27:19	AlexP	What player, what codec?
18:28:01	Alchimysta	Mp3
18:28:11	Alchimysta	sansa Fuze
18:28:30	hstammlerj	Have a nice day, I appreciate your work.
18:28:49	soap	hm GAH
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18:29:08	soap	hstammlerj, I got your email. Did you have accessory power turned on?
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18:30:08	Alchimysta	Never mind ..
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18:34:09	Alchimysta	Where can I download the NES emulator for Rockbox? I have read around the internet that have downloaded it ..
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18:34:42	AlexP	Alchimysta: You can't, it is an old patch
18:35:05	AlexP	Alchimysta: You need to set up a build environment, patch the source code, maybe fix the patch, then compile rockbox
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18:36:02	Alchimysta	I am not able .. I'll wait for someone to do these things ..
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18:40:10	soap	Alchimysta, considering the most recent work on that plugin is almost a year old, I don't think it is going out on a limb to say it will not compile without some work. So there is very little incentive for someone who hasn't cared enough to already do this to now do it. If you are interested you are much more likely to receive help with your efforts than someone to come out of the blue and do it for you.
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19:00:54	Alchimysta	What is this page? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ConsoleEmulators
19:02:41	evilnick	Alchimysta: It's a wiki page that "lists various game systems and emulators to help with the porting to rockbox."
19:05:48	Alchimysta	the translator translates badly, you can rewrite it in simpler words?
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19:06:49	evilnick	It shows projects that could one day maybe become part of Rockbox. Provided that a developer is interested enough
19:07:24	evilnick	i.e. emulators for PCs that are under compatible licenses and written in C (I think)
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19:08:31	Alchimysta	evilnick:thanks for your kindness
19:12:01	Alchimysta	Does anyone speak Italian?
19:16:36	Alchimysta	...
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19:36:04	kugel	preglow: how's it?
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20:02:25	MTes	hello
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20:02:57	MTes	Anyone available?
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20:04:00	krazykit	in general, it's best to just ask the question then wait patiently
20:04:10	MTes	I don't have that kinda time
20:04:13	MTes	lol
20:04:14	MTes	sorry
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20:04:38	krazykit	unfortunately, irc doesn't stand for instant reply chat. maybe ask on the mailing list?
20:04:57	evilnick	Try asking anyway, and if anyone does know then they'll reply
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20:05:09	MTes	I was curious if rockboxing an ipod would affect how it behaves with things like iPod ready car sterios and such
20:05:30	MTes	or docks
20:05:32	AlexP	yes
20:05:38	AlexP	It could do
20:05:41	MTes	and to what degree
20:05:55	AlexP	It depends how they interact
20:06:09	evilnick	In the OF it won't affect it at all, in Rockbox things might or might not work depending on how much of the Ipod Accessory Protocol is used
20:06:30	MTes	and if it does will I be able to un-rockbox the player
20:06:32	AlexP	Or if it is just MSC, and if it does stupid thing dependent on USB IDs
20:06:42	evilnick	Remember that Rockbox is dual-boot on the iPods so reverting to the Original Firmware is trivial
20:06:43	AlexP	MTes: Yes, you can uninstll, but Rockbox does dual boot
20:06:49	AlexP	MTes: Please read the manual
20:06:51	MTes	oh
20:06:57	MTes	sweet I didnt know that it was dualbootr
20:07:02	MTes	dualboot**
20:07:05	AlexP	That's what the manual is for
20:07:09	AlexP	To tell you stuff
20:07:14	MTes	yeah well
20:07:19	MTes	thanks guys
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20:46:06	tcm1998	hi all
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20:59:38	Biont	kinetic scrolling is awesome :)
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21:02:05	tcm1998	do you mean that the device takes the speed your finger goes over the screen in account?
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21:02:28	tcm1998	like on the iphone?
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21:09:06	preglow	kugel: theme seems to be broken in the new build, or do i need to do something fancy?
21:09:19	kugel	define broken
21:09:25	preglow	it's the default one
21:09:28	preglow	tiny, tiny font
21:09:39	preglow	impossible to hit any menu items
21:09:49	kugel	320x480?
21:10:05	preglow	aye
21:10:06	preglow	htc legend
21:11:05	kugel	what do you have in /sdcard/rockbox?
21:11:37	preglow	sec, gotta get my cable
21:11:46	kugel	the default font (27-Adobe-..) is in the apk, but if you have a fonts folder in /sdcard/rockbox which doesn't have that font rockbox won'tsee it
21:11:58	kugel	no filebrowser app? :)
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21:12:18	preglow	haha, i do have one
21:12:22	preglow	but touch is broken because of the font
21:12:28	preglow	and the trackball thing is impossible to use
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21:12:55	kugel	hit the home button to get out
21:13:15	preglow	just gotta set the browser to view all files
21:13:35	Biont	tcm1998: yep
21:13:47	preglow	kugel: practically nothing in there
21:14:03	preglow	kugel: never needed to zip anything to it before, just assumed i didn't have to now either
21:14:04	tcm1998	in that case, I agree, it's a pretty cool feature
21:14:24	tcm1998	IF it works propery
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21:14:39	kugel	preglow: I don't know what went wrong for you, but I suggest uninstalling, deleting /sdcard/rockbox, then reinstalling
21:14:52	preglow	will do
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21:14:58	kugel	the apk I uploaded works fine on my legend
21:14:59	tcm1998	on my archos tablet, it often ignores my movements :(
21:15:54	Biont	I have yet to find a longer list to scroll through, but it works fine for me. The only thing I niticed is that it immediately stops moving if I move my finger over the edge of the screen
21:16:21	tcm1998	hmm, thats' weird
21:16:41	preglow	kugel: talking http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/rockbox-320x480.apk still, yeash?
21:16:47	kugel	yes
21:17:00	preglow	still the same
21:17:21	preglow	deleted the rockbox folder from within rockbox, uninstalled and reinstalled
21:17:24	*	kugel tries the same procedure
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21:19:15	kugel	preglow: WFM
21:19:37	preglow	meaning? :>
21:19:41	kugel	works for me
21:19:45	preglow	wonderful
21:19:48	kugel	what's the md5sum of your apk?
21:20:06	preglow	i'll try to work again
21:20:10	preglow	eh
21:20:13	preglow	i'll try to download again
21:22:18	Biont	is there supposed to be more in the rockbox folder than a bunch of files?
21:22:19	preglow	same shit
21:22:25	preglow	i'll get the cable
21:23:37	preglow	93a3017918e28d95a544df7df88b12b6 *rockbox-320x480.apk
21:23:51	kugel	same here
21:24:36	preglow	but how does the android package work? there's no resources in it i can see, just the rb binary
21:24:50	kugel	there's libmisc.so
21:24:58	kugel	that's rockbox.zip with a different name
21:25:05	preglow	nice :>
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21:25:43	preglow	nothing i can zip by hand to /rockbox?
21:26:06	preglow	it looks exactly like that is what i can do :>
21:26:46	kugel	you can download the font zip and extract it to /sdcard/rockbox
21:27:04	preglow	unzipping libmisc.so worked
21:27:53	preglow	kinetic scrolling seems nice, it probably be even more kinetic, to match android closer
21:28:08	preglow	some more inertia
21:28:43	preglow	hm, it's actually not bad at all
21:29:30	preglow	zomg, absolute seeking seekbar
21:29:34	kugel	unzipping libmisc.so to /sdcard/rockbox will not work
21:29:35	preglow	i gotta learn android coding
21:29:40	preglow	kugel: amazingly, it did
21:29:50	kugel	but you won't be able to play music
21:29:55	preglow	i am as we speak
21:30:25	kugel	then the unzipping to the internal storage worked and the issue that the theme doesn't work is even mroe stranger
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21:30:36	kugel	is, by any chance, your internal rom full?
21:30:43	preglow	hm
21:30:50	preglow	don't think so, but will check
21:31:08	preglow	oh sweet god, can't they give us froyo soon
21:31:19	kugel	get cyanogenmod :)
21:31:39	kugel	(totally worth it)
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21:32:03	preglow	got 84 megs left internal
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21:32:48	kugel	with a trick you can browse the internal folder of rockbox, maybe you can do it to see if cabbiev2 was extracted properly
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21:33:24	kugel	set something as "Start filebrowser here", then edit config.cfg to let it point to /data/data/org.rockbox/
21:34:28	kugel	btw, what did you mean with "zomg, absolute seeking seekbar"?
21:34:46	kugel	the progressbar in the wps?
21:35:16	preglow	yea :>
21:35:33	preglow	wonderful, phone rebooted
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21:36:30	saratoga	bluebrother: could you change the rockbox utility text a little? I dislike the bold message saying that releases are recommended, perhaps just saying that releases are well tested and linking to the release notes would be better?
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21:37:21	preglow	kugel: what am i looking for?
21:37:40	kugel	what do you mean?
21:37:51	kugel	do you see the internal rockbox folder?
21:37:55	preglow	yes
21:38:16	preglow	app_rockbox/ and lib/ is all i see
21:38:20	kugel	app_rockbox/rockbox/ has the unzipped libmisc.so
21:38:30	preglow	it's got a dir named codecs/
21:38:33	preglow	which is empty :>
21:38:47	kugel	that can't be :\
21:39:10	kugel	the codecs are loaded from there. you couldn't play music
21:39:23	preglow	wait a sec, show files reset itself to supported
21:39:43	preglow	yeah, codecs are here
21:39:50	preglow	and database.ignore, and viewers.config
21:39:54	preglow	that's it for rockbox/
21:40:09	preglow	org.rockbox/lib constains libmisc.so and librockbox.so
21:40:13	kugel	and you can't load them from the sdcard since that's mounted with noexec
21:40:29	kugel	ah ok
21:40:53	kugel	any themes, wps, fonts directories?
21:41:18	preglow	nah, what i mentioned is it
21:41:35	kugel	so codecs are being extracted, but the themes not?
21:41:57	kugel	I have no fking idea what's going on there
21:42:14	preglow	org.rockbox/ has app_rockbox/ in it, which contains rockbox/, which contains codecs/* and database.ignore and viewers.config
21:42:18	preglow	that's it
21:42:39	preglow	apart from org.rockbox/lib which contains the usual suspects
21:42:44	kugel	libmisc.so has clearly more files in it
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21:42:51	preglow	yep, i've opened it to check
21:42:57	preglow	and also extracted it, for that matter
21:44:01	kugel	what you could do is uninstalling again, but then hooking up adb logcat to see if it reports some error during extraction
21:44:18	kugel	(upon first start after reinstalling)
21:44:33	kugel	but if you got the codecs and libmisc.so on the sdcard it should work fine for now
21:44:52	kugel	the codecs is the only thing that must go into the internal rom
21:45:40	preglow	explain how to do the adb logcat business and i'm game
21:45:52	preglow	i have a beer handy in case it gets frustrating :>
21:46:00	kugel	you need the sdk, the adb tool is in the tools folder
21:46:07	preglow	yep, got that
21:46:32	preglow	need to enable usb debugging?
21:46:45	kugel	you need to you need to execute "adb devices" with root before otherwise it won't see the legend
21:46:52	kugel	yes
21:47:57	Biont	did I get that right? fonts and themes can be added by putting them into sdcard/rockbox?
21:48:22	kugel	before you start rockbox for the first time do "adb logcat \| grep -i Rockbox", then it should print some debug stuff
21:48:34	kugel	Biont: yes you did
21:48:53	kugel	but if you do it won't see the default theme anymore so be careful :)
21:49:02	kugel	(we need to find a solution for this)
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21:49:58	Biont	?? so only the themes on the sdcard will show up?
21:50:19	kugel	right
21:50:56	preglow	kugel: ok, so i do "adb devices", install rockbox, do "adb logcat", check for rockbox entries, ok?
21:51:26	Biont	okay, I guess I can live with that. I just want to get back to theming soon.
21:51:37	kugel	preglow: yes
21:51:51	kugel	check if adb devices really shows some device
21:51:54	preglow	it does
21:52:02	preglow	but adb logcat made my vim nonresponsive :/
21:52:04	preglow	guess i should reboot
21:55:21	preglow	hmm
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21:55:24	preglow	things seem different now
21:55:31	preglow	kugel: it worked now :/
21:55:48	preglow	but rockbox also didn't crash on first launch after install now
21:55:53	preglow	i guess that figures into it :P
21:56:09	preglow	it now instead said "rockbox is loading" or something for a while
21:56:36	kugel	it's supposed to do that
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21:56:56	kugel	unzipping takes a while
21:57:02	preglow	yeah, i figured
21:57:14	preglow	earlier, android reported rockbox had crashed pretty fast after installing
21:57:40	michael_cheah	so with 3.7 the Fuze v2 is considered "stable"?
21:57:45	michael_cheah	does the USB works?
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21:58:15	kugel	preglow: uhm that you could've given that info earlier
21:58:45	preglow	how was i supposed to know rockbox should autostart and init after installing?
21:59:11	kugel	it is not
21:59:18	preglow	then surprise, it does
21:59:59	kugel	no app auto starts after installing
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22:00:15	kugel	there seems to be strange things happening on your phone
22:00:24	preglow	it's a stock install
22:00:30	preglow	recently reset
22:00:58	preglow	i installed it via the net browser, that might autostart it
22:01:10	kugel	did logcat report something that looks like an error?
22:01:14	preglow	logcat hangs
22:01:25	kugel	:\
22:01:30	preglow	nah, wait, it didn't
22:01:36	preglow	broken buffering
22:01:47	saratoga	michael_cheah: read the release notes
22:01:54	kugel	yea it can kind of overflow
22:02:22	preglow	kugel: just a bunch of extracting msgs
22:02:28	preglow	all seems normal
22:02:41	kugel	then I guess extracting worked this time
22:02:51	michael_cheah	saratoga: well, no mention of USB on v2 as far as i can see
22:02:53	preglow	any fancy code involved in that?
22:02:53	michael_cheah	:(
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22:03:20	kugel	no, not really
22:03:23	michael_cheah	oh sorry it's under Known Bugs
22:03:33	kugel	just java's inbuilt zip support
22:03:37	preglow	oh well, i'll check the logs next time it happens
22:04:16	preglow	btw, how to get to the root menu from the file browser without pressing back ten times?
22:05:22	kugel	hit the (tiny) rockbox icon at the top left or long press the back button
22:05:41	kugel	oh long press doesn't work
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22:05:48	kugel	we need bigger icons anyway
22:06:01	preglow	don't see a rockbox icon
22:06:14	kugel	we could have menu go to the main menu instead of context menu
22:06:23	preglow	i think that makes more sense
22:06:33	preglow	long press something for context feels more right
22:06:41	preglow	long press screen, probably
22:06:49	kugel	meh, sorry. I mean the icon on the left of the menu title (what's a rockbox icon in the main menu)
22:07:07	kugel	but it's hard to hit, so no there's no easier way :)
22:07:20	kugel	long press screen already works
22:07:27	kugel	for context menu
22:07:38	preglow	ah, yes it does, kinda exptected it to pop up before i released
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22:09:36	CIA-8	New commit by wodz (r28425): Separate mas35xx lowlevel stuff. Move SH specific bits to target tree. FS #11189 by me.
22:10:12	preglow	cyanogenmod looks interesting anyway
22:10:25	kugel	I installed it, the htc bug was too much for me
22:11:00	Biont	what is the htc bug?
22:11:02	preglow	yeah, it's goddamn annoying
22:11:09	preglow	try to background rockbox :>
22:11:37	kugel	with launcher pro you can get most of the htc widgets back (but it costs $2). for the rest there are pretty damn good other alternatives
22:11:54	kugel	(if you like sense, as I do :))
22:12:03	CIA-8	r28425 build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (wodz committed)
22:12:21	Biont	works for me, but I'm running the wildpuzzle rom
22:12:23	wodz	hmm
22:12:50	kugel	Biont: grabbing cpu power when in background doesn't work on htc phones
22:12:57	preglow	sense is pretty ok, but don't care too much
22:13:07	preglow	only thing i need i pretty much the calendar app :>
22:14:21	Biont	hm well playback doesn't seem to be affected if rb is in background
22:14:49	kugel	the stock calendar app is ok. what sucks is the agenda widget (which shows the upcoming events), but the android agenda widget (on the market) is a great replacement
22:15:36	wodz	kugel: have you tried clang for arm to build android RaaA?
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22:15:45	kugel	no
22:16:21	kugel	I have never tried clang at all :)
22:16:42	preglow	it's pretty sweet
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22:16:49	preglow	promising project as a whole
22:16:56	Biont	btw. is switching between portrait and landscape somewhere on the horizon?
22:17:11	wodz	kugel: apple use it to compile stuff for iOS so I think it may be pretty well optimizing on arm v6
22:17:14	Biont	I guess that will make the theme system pretty interesting
22:18:10	kugel	the theme system is what's blocking any dynamic screen resolution stuff
22:18:33	preglow	we pretty much need separate wpses for each mode
22:18:41	preglow	too different for dynamic resizing to work
22:21:15	Biont	hm well separate wps would be okay as long as lists and AA get rotated properly :P
22:21:38	kugel	Biont: rockbox will work in landscape, you just need to compile it, change the AndroidManifest.xml and port cabbiev2
22:22:32	kugel	patches for a flexible theme engine is welcome of course :)
22:23:08	CIA-8	New commit by wodz (r28426): fix yellow
22:23:30	preglow	kugel: using a calendar widget is a good idea :D
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22:24:16	kugel	there's nothing special about the sense calendar app really
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22:25:18	CIA-8	r28426 build result: All green
22:25:45	wodz	\o/
22:26:16	wodz	now codebase is a little bit cleaner :-)
22:26:53	kugel	wodz: nice cleanup!
22:27:19	kugel	mp3_playback.c and sound.c bugged me also
22:28:37	wodz	there are still some calls to mas stuff left but I wanted this to be commited before something break my patch :-)
22:30:06	kugel	if like doing this kind of work, look at apps/debug_menu.c, it also screams for moving lots of stuff into the target tree :)
22:31:24	kugel	preglow: the procedure for installing custom roms on the legend isn't trivial but I can only recommend doing it
22:32:26	wodz	kugel: hehe I have local branch where I started to clean up debug_menu.c but this is tremendous work
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22:37:55	wodz	kugel: Refactoring debug_menu.c is really huge task. I think it may be easier to do it in small steps. For example moving GPIO stuff to target tree is fairly trivial.
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22:52:50	CIA-8	New commit by wodz (r28427): fix make VERSION=x.y to work again
22:54:52	CIA-8	r28427 build result: All green
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22:56:41	JdGordon	so much for accepting the voting consensus....
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22:57:05	wodz	?
22:57:39	JdGordon	not you :)
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22:59:03	wodz	you mean absolute mode went in for anything but d2 and mrobe500?
22:59:06	kugel	the vote was for the other targets which I didn't touch
22:59:37	wodz	hmm I understood it other way round.
22:59:51	kugel	what to do about them was the whole point of the discussion, not what to do about the ones I changed
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23:00:35	JdGordon	no, I made it very clear i was staying no while it was possible to get stuck in any screen... so android maybe, pretty sure the onda has no hardware buttons so it can get stuck
23:00:50	wodz	kugel: My understanding of the discussion was that general issues should be resolved BEFORE commit
23:00:59	kugel	+1 from the maintainer was enough for me
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23:02:24	saratoga	i don't think potential issues with an unusable port are a big deal, particularly if the port's developers are onboard
23:03:07	kugel	that RaaA would be changed was clear from the beginning, the discussion was what to do about the other touchscreens (whether to just force absolute point to get people fix the remaining issues or do it differently)
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23:08:30	wodz	kugel: I appreciate your work but personally I don't like the way you force your solution
23:09:09	kugel	I didn't force my solution, I didn't even apply it
23:09:34	kugel	JdGordon: I have two patches for the yesno screen, perhaps you want to have a look?
23:10:11	kugel	the one is using wakeup_wait() instead of polling for the activity result, the other is using the localized yes/no text for the buttons
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23:13:14	JdGordon	put them on fs, im off to work
23:13:44	wodz	kugel: shouldn't FS #11686 be closed?
23:13:54	kugel	right, thanks
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23:19:22	kugel	JdGordon: I noticed if I click cancel in the keyboard widget it doesn't actually cancel
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23:20:30	pixelma	I wondered about the commit too btw. and understood the discussion like there still have to issues to be solved for all touchscreen targets
23:21:11	saratoga	is there an atrac3 test sample somewhere?
23:21:11	pixelma	but I didn't see myself in a position to comment on it much because I don't have a touchscreen target
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23:23:50	*	pixelma wonders if the "may" in kugel's mail is a typo that makes the whole thing sound even more unfriendlly
23:24:32	kugel	probably
23:25:01	pixelma	? You don't know if it should have been a "maybe"
23:25:24	preglow	probably not :Z
23:26:13	Bagder	I think some of our regulars should consider their tone on the ML more often
23:26:27	kugel	no, not a typo, but it wasn't my intention to be unfriendly. I've stated several times in the thread that I believe that nothing will be done for the issues in question if they're left untouched
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23:26:51	Bagder	and I agree with the action, I think it was the correct one
23:26:52	pixelma	with the "may" it sounds like a bad wish
23:27:18	preglow	Bagder: yeah, threads seem to end up in an unfriendly tone pretty quick
23:27:21	kugel	I definitely don't wish it
23:27:23	pixelma	to my understanding
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23:27:51	preglow	but that seems to be the big internet trend for the last 10 years, so
23:28:51	kugel	but yea, I see that it wasn't worded very nicely
23:29:15	preglow	kugel: is the background scheduler thing a htc bug or a 2.1 bug?
23:29:34	kugel	I'm pretty sure it's htc specific
23:30:03	kugel	there's a bug report on android's tracker where only htc users complain
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