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| 00:10:24 | soap | skimming the logs for 3.7.1 and mpc I didn't see discussion, but I presume the mpc on coldfile issue is alone enough for 3.7.1? |
| 00:11:09 | n1s | the fix was committed to the branch too, i dunno if that bug alone is worth a pointrelease |
| 00:11:35 | n1s | maybe we wait at least a week to see if any more good fixes pop up |
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| 00:13:24 | soap | If it is a regression from 3.6 it is a black eye not to push out the fix. IMHO. |
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| 00:15:38 | n1s | afaict the bug was introduced in r25056, may 7 so it likely was in 3.6 too |
| 00:16:05 | pixelma | it sounded like quite a major bug (even if mpc doesn't seem to be used widely but playback is still the main part of Rockbox, I hope) |
| 00:16:38 | n1s | well it crashes, but only on some apparently very rare files |
| 00:16:52 | kugel | soap: IMO we should wait at least a month until the point release, I bet there's more bugs to be revealed |
| 00:17:13 | n1s | i'm not against a point release but having to do 3 of them within a week seems less than desirable i think |
| 00:18:21 | soap | I think two timeframe should be discussed and agreed to. One timeframe for "critical bugs" and one for "non critical bugs". |
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| 00:19:18 | soap | This being, as pixelma so rightfully said major, a crash on Rockbox's core functionality would (I assume) fall into catagory one. |
| 00:19:50 | JdGordon| | is there any real reason we couldnt just rerelease it as 3.7? |
| 00:20:22 | pixelma | I think I remember 3.5.1 was only done for the Archos targets for a critical fix |
| 00:20:24 | soap | "What version are you using" "3.7" "Update to 3.7 to fix that crash" |
| 00:20:58 | JdGordon| | hehe ok, good point |
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| 00:21:42 | pixelma | this only affected Coldfire targets... on the other hand different point releases for arch or whatever thing in common is probably confusing too |
| 00:21:45 | kugel | pixelma: it was a different situation back then. we didn't plan to do point releases until now |
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| 00:22:47 | JdGordon| | well, the point of the point release plan was to keep a much slower moving stable branch. We really don't need to release a enw point for every bugfix, if people are being hit with this particular bug they can always use a build from the stable branch untill 3.7.1 is released |
| 00:23:07 | JdGordon| | we shouldnt be releasing a new point branch every week which is probably going to happen if we do one fr each non-trivial bug |
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| 00:23:55 | soap | pixelma, if one were to only fix one bug per target per release cycle out-of-sync point releases would not be so confusing (like in the 3.5.1 example) - but if multiple releases are envisioned one almost has to bump the version number (be there changes for a specific target or not) for all targets. |
| 00:24:57 | pixelma | yeah |
| 00:25:19 | soap | jdGordon - why not issue major fixes within a short time period, and minor fixes as part of a monthy (or quarterly, or anually, whatever) roundup release? |
| 00:25:27 | S_a_i_n_t | I noticed part of my patch FS11578 has been committed....but now I *totally* don't know what I'm doing to get variable backlight brightness working again. If anyone could have a look at re-syncing FS #11578 for me I would really appreciate it. I personally believed it was in a committable state prior to it being rewritten...it's something that I would quite like to see get committed. |
| 00:26:39 | JdGordon| | soap: sure, but that gets into a big discussion of what the bar is. I personally dont see this fix as massive enough for an imediate re-relase |
| 00:27:01 | JdGordon| | obviously I don't use mpc, and mpc on coldfire |
| 00:27:32 | soap | I don't wish to argue the point, but I am curious (and will give you last word). If a playback crash isn't a major issue what is? |
| 00:28:11 | soap | I can't imagine anything more massive slipping through the current system. |
| 00:28:28 | soap | As it will be only edge cases which aren't caught in the freeze week. |
| 00:28:32 | kugel | IMO no bug (unless it's "doesn't boot") if we manage timely point releases |
| 00:28:39 | kugel | +is major enough |
| 00:29:22 | pixelma | crashes on H100/H300 aren't nice though as you need a paperclip to get out of them |
| 00:29:45 | kugel | 3.6 is still downloadable in the meantime |
| 00:29:47 | pixelma | the Iaudios have a hard power-off at least |
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| 00:30:02 | pixelma | err... if you are on the road? |
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| 00:31:17 | JdGordon| | soap: this was apparently brken since july, with only one bug report. I tihnk that shows it is in a little used codec on an even less used target. If there was lots of noise about it sure, but I don't think there is much point going through the hassle of doing a point release just for it |
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| 02:29:40 | LeonTrollski | i uninstalled everything and then did a fresh install of 3.7 using rockbox utility on my Sansa v1. im still having the problem where it cycles in and out of USB mode when its plugged into the USB. |
| 02:30:12 | LeonTrollski | also tried 'current build' same problem. |
| 02:31:18 | LeonTrollski | any fix for this? |
| 02:31:28 | JdGordon| | which sansa? |
| 02:31:36 | LeonTrollski | oh |
| 02:31:38 | LeonTrollski | fuze |
| 02:32:22 | saratoga | you can use the OF for USB mode if you have to |
| 02:32:44 | JdGordon| | I thouhgt th fuzev1 usb was expected to be stable? |
| 02:33:43 | LeonTrollski | well, transfering files onto the microSD card with the originol is only letting me put 2GB on there |
| 02:34:28 | JdGordon| | do you mean it keeps disconnecting and reconnecting in rockbox when usb is plugged in? |
| 02:34:34 | JdGordon| | or its doing boot cycles? |
| 02:34:42 | LeonTrollski | i was hoping that rockbox would fix that. |
| 02:34:55 | LeonTrollski | the USB symbol pops up |
| 02:35:05 | LeonTrollski | and the PC detects it as a device |
| 02:35:16 | LeonTrollski | but then it switches back to regular mode |
| 02:35:24 | LeonTrollski | and the PC says it disconnected |
| 02:35:29 | LeonTrollski | over and over |
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| 02:36:07 | saratoga | LeonTrollski: are you sure you have a fuze? |
| 02:36:11 | LeonTrollski | sometimes staying in one mode for as much as 30 or so seconds but usually more like one or two |
| 02:36:13 | LeonTrollski | yes |
| 02:36:16 | saratoga | the fuze OF will let you move more then 2GB |
| 02:36:51 | saratoga | so if yours doesn't, its either not really a fuze, or else something is very wrong with your computer or player |
| 02:37:41 | LeonTrollski | they move on there but any folders added after 2GB show as empty when i acess them after the transfer |
| 02:38:27 | LeonTrollski | transfering songs 1 by one does the same thing |
| 02:38:50 | LeonTrollski | after navigating away from the folder i put them in and back to it they are gone |
| 02:38:58 | JdGordon| | saratoga: is the e200 the only ones without sdhc support? |
| 02:39:19 | LeonTrollski | the PC still shows the card as having the space filled though |
| 02:39:27 | saratoga | LeonTrollski: ah that makes more sense |
| 02:39:33 | saratoga | where did you get the card? ebay? |
| 02:39:44 | LeonTrollski | amazon.com |
| 02:39:50 | saratoga | JdGordon|: the e200v1 and c200v1 I think |
| 02:39:55 | saratoga | third party seller? |
| 02:40:40 | LeonTrollski | it could be, but it was still in original packaging. |
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| 02:59:02 | saratoga | then its probably a fake card |
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| 06:45:55 | S_a_i_n_t | liar: ping? |
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| 07:09:34 | S_a_i_n_t | fyrestorm: Are you able to compile a build yourself? |
| 07:09:53 | fyrestorm | its been awhile |
| 07:10:21 | fyrestorm | why |
| 07:10:34 | S_a_i_n_t | FS #11664 and a small change to your targets config and you'll have USB. |
| 07:11:10 | fyrestorm | aha |
| 07:13:12 | S_a_i_n_t | from the looks of the config file...the OF should be handling USB |
| 07:13:19 | fyrestorm | it is |
| 07:13:31 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. it *should* boot to the OF for USB transfer as I understand it. |
| 07:13:36 | fyrestorm | doesnt |
| 07:13:43 | fyrestorm | need to turn it off |
| 07:13:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm. |
| 07:13:53 | fyrestorm | if you plug it in while off it does boot to OF |
| 07:13:56 | * | S_a_i_n_t shrugs |
| 07:15:55 | S_a_i_n_t | well, as I understand it, if you apply FS #1164 and comment #define USB_HANDLED_BY_OF out, and uncomment #define USE_ROCKBOX_USB from rockbox\firmware\export\config\sansafuzev2.h you should have working USB |
| 07:16:06 | S_a_i_n_t | though, it isn't 100% yet. |
| 07:16:11 | fyrestorm | ill keep it as is |
| 07:16:12 | fyrestorm | yeah |
| 07:16:14 | S_a_i_n_t | If it was, it would be in core already. |
| 07:16:20 | fyrestorm | im playing it safe |
| 07:16:57 | S_a_i_n_t | but a Fuzev2 user reports it as 100% working, it appears the problems are from the Clip+ mostly |
| 07:17:10 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't blame you for waiting though. |
| 07:18:00 | fyrestorm | hehe |
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| 07:19:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I could compile a build and mail it to you if you like, but I'm not at my build machine for a few hours. |
| 07:19:37 | fyrestorm | its ok |
| 07:19:44 | S_a_i_n_t | Sweet. |
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| 07:50:28 | Buschel | regarding last nights discussion regarding the mpc bug. the misbehaviour itself was in the code since the very first sv8 port. the bug did not appear before r28198 (Oct, 2nd). |
| 07:51:25 | Buschel | this new bitstream handling is very fishy... I loved the good old implementation which was simple and robust. |
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| 09:05:56 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: how work on 2bit graphic is going? |
| 09:07:55 | pixelma | IIRC, the automatic reboot to the OF on USB plug was disabled on the AMS Sansas because of the freeze issues some were experiencing which you could only get out of by letting the battery drain completely |
| 09:08:02 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: ^ |
| 09:08:38 | wodz | pixelma: As you seem to be expert in remote drawings would you be so kind to prepare one for mpio remote? |
| 09:09:39 | pixelma | I first need to do the Gigabeat one as it is already used in the Gigabeat S manual |
| 09:09:59 | pixelma | wodz: do you have a picture or a scan? |
| 09:10:29 | wodz | pixelma: I can take pictures of mine + there is drawing in mpio manual |
| 09:12:09 | pixelma | I can have a look but as I said the Gigabeat one is first :) |
| 09:12:39 | wodz | sure, no hurry |
| 09:12:57 | wodz | where can I send you 'base materials'? |
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| 09:13:51 | pixelma | either upload somewhere or send me a mail, I'll PM you my address |
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| 09:22:43 | b0hoon | pixelma: ping |
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| 09:23:20 | pixelma | you make me wake up quicker today ;) |
| 09:23:39 | b0hoon | sorry :/ |
| 09:24:04 | pixelma | no problem :) What's the matter? |
| 09:24:28 | b0hoon | pixelma: could you look at FS #11705 please? Do i have a talent ? :P |
| 09:24:49 | b0hoon | pixelma: Serious - is it good enough? |
| 09:26:10 | liar | S_a_i_n_t: pong |
| 09:35:17 | pixelma | b0hoon: looks quite accurately drawn, I like that. Only the arrows and labels could be a bit more "ordered" but I know that it's not always easy if there are a lot of them. One thing that can cause problems when doing the PDF is transparency which is why I always try to avoid it. You can easily use an opque gradient to achieve the same effect |
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| 09:36:49 | pixelma | opaque too |
| 09:38:30 | AlexP | gevaerts: Do you think r28429 qualifies for backport? |
| 09:39:41 | JdGordon| | AlexP: really no harm either way, but thats really stretching the bar |
| 09:39:51 | AlexP | yes, I was unsure |
| 09:39:56 | AlexP | But someone siggested it last night |
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| 09:44:10 | b0hoon | pixelma: thanks a lot i will check the conversion |
| 09:44:43 | pixelma | b0hoon: a minor thing last. It would be good if arrows and text would be on a "text" layer. That can be easily done in the end though. Good work so far :) |
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| 09:45:27 | b0hoon | pixelma: ok i'll try to do it |
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| 10:15:06 | Bagder | is http://www.appbrain.com/app/poweramp-music-player-(trial)/com.maxmpz.audioplayer a Rockbox competitor on Android? |
| 10:16:05 | JdGordon| | it and winamp... we need to release soon to be in the running! |
| 10:16:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:16:25 | Bagder | I'd love that |
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| 10:16:50 | Luca_S | hello |
| 10:17:03 | Luca_S | JdGordon|: do you have a fuzev2 target? I'd like to talk to you about a problem I have with the WPS before submitting a bug on FS |
| 10:17:12 | JdGordon| | the fact we will be free and no ads probably means we have a good bet at being popular :p |
| 10:17:18 | Zagor | in my opinion we still need more polish to release. otherwise we're not a competitor anyway. |
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| 10:22:06 | Bagder | well, we also need to release for people to become aware that we exist |
| 10:22:06 | JdGordon| | Luca_S: I do |
| 10:22:06 | Bagder | that might also bring some new contributors |
| 10:22:06 | JdGordon| | I think we are good enough to do a "beta" release |
| 10:22:06 | JdGordon| | would anyone mind me adding a "report bug" menu item for android? |
| 10:22:06 | Zagor | that we do, but I think android is a slightly different target from hardware players. when you own a hardware player and would like rockbox on it, you generally don't mind waiting for the port to mature. |
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| 10:22:06 | JdGordon| | which would open either email with a template or the browser? |
| 10:22:06 | Bagder | Zagor: perhaps, but we can also assume that the general public don't know about rockbox, not even potential contributors on android |
| 10:22:06 | Zagor | in the case of android, we are releasing an app saying "this solves the problem better than other apps out there". that's quite different. |
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| 10:22:06 | Bagder | we don't have to say that |
| 10:22:06 | JdGordon| | IMO the only real blocker atm is database |
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| 10:22:06 | Zagor | Bagder: how do we avoid saying that? |
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| 10:22:06 | Luca_S | sorry, CGI lagging. |
| 10:22:06 | Bagder | Zagor: by using the word "BETA" all over or similar |
| 10:22:06 | Luca_S | the problem I'm experiencing is as follows (default cabbiev2 theme) |
| 10:22:06 | Luca_S | if I skip three, four songs, the next track indicator shows the currently playing song and stays like that even ten seconds later, when backlight goes off. when I move the wheel to turn on backlight again, the display is updated with the correct next track |
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| 10:22:30 | Luca_S | I feel quite safe to exclude buffering issues because I tried (with Saint's help) to change the WPS definition to using the simple file name instead of ID3 data, and had the same problem |
| 10:23:22 | Luca_S | it's easily reproducible by skipping forward, sometimes even a single skip is enough. |
| 10:25:45 | Zagor | Bagder: even with a beta tag, I think we are likely to do more damage than good by releasing in the current state. even a beta must feel like something you want to try the next release of. |
| 10:27:28 | Zagor | on the other hand we can of course choose to say "screw first impressions. release early, release often." |
| 10:27:49 | Llorean | JdGordon| mentioned database. What else is problematical on it? |
| 10:28:27 | Zagor | the default theme icons, the panic screen, missing "back" button support |
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| 10:29:28 | Zagor | and we haven't even started on the manual, have we? |
| 10:31:16 | b0hoon | dxmmichelle - spamer on the forum |
| 10:31:21 | Llorean | How hard are these to address in the near term? What's wrong with the icons, what's the "panic screen" (are you just referring to panic errors, and do those happen often on the Android?) and is there something preventing back button support? |
| 10:32:50 | Zagor | the icons are microscropic in 800x480. the panic screen can't be exited, busy-loops and potentially hangs the phone (did for me). I don't know what needs to be done for back button support. |
| 10:33:23 | Llorean | Icons are just tango right, so grabbing larger versions should be (relatively) trivial. That panic thing sounds really nasty though. |
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| 10:41:49 | JdGordon| | Zagor: back button works now |
| 10:42:00 | JdGordon| | or, how would you expect it to work? |
| 10:42:59 | JdGordon| | Luca_S: put it on FS or wait a few hours when i get home |
| 10:43:18 | Zagor | it always exits back to android, doesn't it? I would expect it to go back in the menus until the top level and then exit to android. |
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| 10:44:24 | * | mystica555_ pipes up for once: indeed, i would love the 'back' button to go 'back' in the app; theres a 'home' button to go to the os |
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| 10:44:58 | JdGordon| | that was fixed last week. it works like a normal back button on other targets.. we have no way (yet) of knwoing if we are in the main menu so it cant go back->main menu-> os hom |
| 10:45:14 | JdGordon| | but the home button works so its workable for now |
| 10:45:31 | mystica555_ | fun |
| 10:45:34 | mystica555_ | i should try a newer build then |
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| 10:45:50 | Zagor | JdGordon|: ok, good |
| 10:46:03 | JdGordon| | database can be fixed with a patch that is on the tracker to start searching at a user defined dir (/sdcard default) |
| 10:46:35 | JdGordon| | if exit() works then panic can be fixed cleanly with a java ui |
| 10:47:41 | mystica555_ | as i've not been entirely active in the forums (there forums, right?) or the mailinglist (i lurk) or here (joined today) i'm not sure if these answers exist, but i do have 2 questions that are related: 1 have there been any bugreports of random audio lagginess/freezing such as when the phone (tmobile g1 htc dream) checks gmail or something? and 2: if you do know of them are fixes in the works/done already? i tried a build from about a month ago |
| 10:47:41 | mystica555_ | and itd just periodically stop outputting for ~100-300ms during playback |
| 10:47:50 | mystica555_ | (wow sorry about the long line) |
| 10:48:13 | mystica555_ | *there are |
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| 10:49:08 | wodz | mystica555_: there is known bug in htc version of android which doesn't allow to grab much CPU power when application runs in background |
| 10:49:47 | mystica555_ | this is foreground; i also am running a kernel with BFS on it which no other audio app seems to have issues with.. even those that seem to use non-hardware codecs |
| 10:50:09 | mystica555_ | or is it considered backgrounded if the screen is off? |
| 10:50:41 | mystica555_ | i'd go grab my phone now, but its currently on the end of a short usb cable to my router at the moment... |
| 10:50:59 | wodz | mystica555_: dunno - I don't have android phone. Ask kugel I would suggest. |
| 10:51:04 | mystica555_ | ok |
| 10:51:47 | JdGordon| | try the recent build, alot has changed in a month |
| 10:52:38 | mystica555_ | will do the next time im out and about. until then, usb cord stays plugged in so i have internet :) |
| 10:59:11 | Zagor | hmm, latest build refuses to install |
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| 11:00:05 | JdGordon| | whats the error? |
| 11:02:28 | Zagor | no error. android just says "Application not installed" when I try to install it. |
| 11:02:54 | JdGordon| | was it already installed? uninstall it first |
| 11:03:36 | Zagor | it does a replace. or tries to, anyway. |
| 11:04:29 | Zagor | yup, works if uninstalled first |
| 11:04:54 | mystica555_ | lots of android apps seem to need that.. |
| 11:05:10 | Zagor | I've never had to do it before. |
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| 11:06:28 | Zagor | JdGordon|: the new loading dialog is nice. |
| 11:06:50 | Luca_S | sorry, CGI disconnected without me noticing. I'll open a FS bug ASAP. To that regard, is it normal that it doesn't show the Fuze player type? and that it allows only 3.6 release? |
| 11:06:57 | Zagor | I think we need a bigger default font for 480x800 |
| 11:08:34 | Zagor | the wps volume icon doesn't update |
| 11:09:32 | Zagor | but overall, a lot has happened in a week. this is more ready than I thought. good job! |
| 11:13:12 | JdGordon| | :) |
| 11:13:23 | JdGordon| | checkout the yes/no screen and the keyboard :) |
| 11:14:03 | mystica555_ | regarding the screen-sizes for the android port, some devices are now coming on the market with 240x400 wqvga screens. would the 320x240 res app work with say, blank space ? |
| 11:15:42 | JdGordon| | yes, and it looks crap... we need to do at least run time screen size checking |
| 11:15:59 | JdGordon| | it should be simple if mcueulernes(?) patch works |
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| 11:18:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Can you upload the GoGear HDD1630 and HDD6330 bootloaders to the site? |
| 11:18:35 | mystica555_ | good friend of mine whos been rockboxing since his ipod 4g i think just got the new samsung intercept wqvga phone..thus i bring it up |
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| 11:21:53 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: I have |
| 11:22:16 | Zagor | they just haven't been mirrored yet |
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| 11:25:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Ahh, okay. Thanks. :) |
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| 11:30:54 | Zagor | JdGordon|: back never exits. is that intentional? |
| 11:31:05 | JdGordon| | known limitation |
| 11:31:17 | JdGordon| | the java doesnt know if c is in the main menu |
| 11:31:21 | pixelma | mystica555_: there should be some things for 240x400 already though, if I remember the Ondas have the same resolution |
| 11:31:31 | pixelma | +correctly |
| 11:31:40 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:31:58 | JdGordon| | that should be very fixable though |
| 11:32:37 | Zagor | sometimes the tap doesn't "take". it clears the selection from the last menu line, but doesn't draw a new selection nor go into the tapped item. |
| 11:32:39 | JdGordon| | but then if you are in the wps and press a touch region to go to the menu, should back go to OS home or wps? |
| 11:33:17 | kugel | Zagor: that error comes when the signature of the apk chaned |
| 11:33:27 | kugel | you need to uninstall |
| 11:33:32 | Zagor | kugel: aha |
| 11:34:04 | kugel | did you download my apk from the wiki? the latest ones are compiled from my desktop (because my laptop is in RMA) and have a different signature |
| 11:34:14 | Zagor | yes I did |
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| 11:35:26 | wodz | kuge: can you look at FS #11712 again? |
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| 11:35:53 | kugel | mystica555_: you can compile an apk for 240x400 without problems |
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| 11:36:06 | mystica555_ | kugel: ok. i've not gone into the whole development process for ityet |
| 11:36:13 | Zagor | another minor thing: long press gives context menu, but only after you release. |
| 11:36:24 | kugel | there's even a cabbiev2 port, but it's older (because made for the ondas) and different from the 320x480 and 480x800 ports |
| 11:36:38 | Zagor | (in file tree) |
| 11:36:47 | JdGordon| | Zagor: yeah, thats been driving me mad for a while... its the same behaviour in the os on long home though |
| 11:36:56 | mystica555_ | ive just been using current builds or releases, whatever i figure is 'new enough' on my iriver and my G1. friend of mine has the odd-device-out |
| 11:37:18 | Zagor | JdGordon|: not for me. long home gives me "running tasks" without releasing the button |
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| 11:37:36 | mystica555_ | how usable would the cabbiev2 240x400 be in comparison go the more standard sizes? |
| 11:37:37 | kugel | Zagor: that should be a relatively simple fix |
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| 11:37:44 | kugel | mystica555_: no idea :) |
| 11:37:56 | mystica555_ | ah hehe |
| 11:38:38 | Zagor | kugel: have you seen my "lost tap" issue? |
| 11:40:05 | JdGordon| | Zagor: ah! so it does :p |
| 11:41:28 | kugel | Zagor: you probably exceeded the scroll threshold with the touch, meaning it thinks you want to scroll (and thus hides the selection bar) |
| 11:41:59 | kugel | the threshold is ok for me, but apparently too small for most other people. I think we'll increase it or make it configurable (or both) |
| 11:42:16 | Zagor | ok, that treshold needs to be increased then. I get it all the time. |
| 11:42:23 | Zagor | how many pixels is it? 4? |
| 11:42:29 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i know about the memory detection but is it possible to disasm your hdd6330 to check it for sure? |
| 11:42:31 | kugel | 3 |
| 11:42:38 | Zagor | that's waaay too small |
| 11:43:00 | kugel | it's likely worse on 480x800 displays with higher dpi |
| 11:43:06 | Zagor | doesn't android have a standard value for this? |
| 11:43:23 | kugel | I think font size/2 (with a fixed minimum) would work better |
| 11:43:28 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: btw: it was you who wrote on the wiki that it has K4S51163PF ;) |
| 11:43:36 | kugel | I don't know about standard value |
| 11:43:42 | Zagor | I don't think such basic UI behaviour should change with font size |
| 11:44:11 | JdGordon| | it shoud come from the touch pressure |
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| 11:44:40 | kugel | the font size takes dpi better into account than fixed pixel, because you usually use a much larger font on higher dpi screens |
| 11:44:43 | mystica555_ | i don't think android exposes 'tap width' or 'pressure' .. just an exact point or 2. |
| 11:45:17 | Zagor | kugel: yes, but I don't want the scroll treshold to change just because I choose a different theme |
| 11:45:18 | mystica555_ | this, because it can be either capacitive or resistive/stylus operated |
| 11:45:35 | JdGordon| | there is a touchscreen debug thing in "dev tools" which shows it, so i assume it does |
| 11:45:45 | mystica555_ | must be newer than the hardware ive got then |
| 11:45:47 | kugel | for android it also seems to be roughly half of the row height |
| 11:46:17 | Zagor | kugel: how many font sizes did you try that with? |
| 11:46:30 | kugel | two |
| 11:46:35 | CIA-7 | r28443 build result: 15 errors, 0 warnings (wodz committed) |
| 11:46:48 | wodz | what? |
| 11:46:52 | kugel | now 3 |
| 11:47:31 | kugel | well, 2 different row heights, one of it with 2 different font sizes |
| 11:47:34 | wodz | I missed bootloader :/ |
| 11:49:24 | kugel | I think changing the theme doesn't mean the font size changed by a noticeable amount. commonly all themes to use have the font size in the same magnitude (if not even the same) |
| 11:49:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I didn't write that in the wiki. I think it was either lowlight or toffe82 that may have written that. |
| 11:49:49 | Zagor | kugel: font size can change a lot with different themes |
| 11:49:56 | kugel | so the scroll threshold wouldn't change much, if at all. not noticeably anyway |
| 11:50:13 | kugel | I'm looking at the common case, not edge cases |
| 11:50:33 | JdGordon| | excellant, basing design descisions on false premises always works well! |
| 11:50:38 | kugel | you wouldn't chane from 35-adobe to sysfont. that makes little sense |
| 11:50:54 | Zagor | kugel: no but you can surely change from a 40 to a 20-point font |
| 11:51:01 | AlexP | you can never tell what people will do :) |
| 11:51:06 | CIA-7 | New commit by wodz (r28444): MPIO HD200: fix red (I missed bootloader and simulator when renaming buttons) |
| 11:51:07 | JdGordon| | thats assuming you even know what font the new theme uses |
| 11:51:13 | Zagor | that shouldn't cause a drastic change in basic touch behaviour |
| 11:51:15 | kugel | so, what do you propose? |
| 11:51:29 | AlexP | can you get screen dpi? |
| 11:51:57 | kugel | not the exact value, only high, medium or low |
| 11:52:15 | AlexP | is it good enough to base it on that? |
| 11:52:17 | pixelma | actual pixel size can make a huge difference there |
| 11:52:28 | AlexP | pixelma: Right, but you also have size |
| 11:52:47 | CIA-7 | r28444 build result: All green |
| 11:53:00 | JdGordon| | add a setting with a default of 15 or something |
| 11:53:23 | Bagder | or make the default depend on the high, medium or low values |
| 11:53:26 | kugel | Zagor: from 40 to 20 is also unrelealistic if you ask me. from 40 to 30 is more releastic and for this case the scroll thresshold wouldn't change much |
| 11:54:07 | wodz | But the change of the font may be made by accident. |
| 11:54:10 | Zagor | webkit uses 25 pixels |
| 11:54:12 | AlexP | wr have themes for other targets were the range in font sizes is more than two |
| 11:54:17 | AlexP | *where |
| 11:54:34 | pixelma | kugel: I doubt your "unrealistic" |
| 11:54:41 | Bagder | me too |
| 11:54:56 | Bagder | some people will use very small fonts, some will use very large ones |
| 11:55:00 | Bagder | and some will test both ends |
| 11:55:14 | kugel | that's true |
| 11:55:31 | pixelma | and additional to that you run on a lot of different displays which may have the same resolution but not the same size |
| 11:55:33 | kugel | but the same person usually doesn't change the font size drastically |
| 11:55:44 | Bagder | unless they're trying out stuff |
| 11:55:52 | Bagder | which many do before they've decided |
| 11:56:11 | Zagor | there's a TOUCH_SLOP constant in android |
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| 11:56:17 | JdGordon| | you have no way of knowing what users do... bloody stop saying things like you do... unless of course you've actually done a proper user stufy |
| 11:56:21 | JdGordon| | study |
| 11:56:23 | AlexP | I just think it is bad in principle to have one setting change a seemingly unreleated one |
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| 11:58:11 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28445): Commit a few more GoGear HDD6330 keymaps. |
| 11:58:46 | Zagor | the function to use is getScaledTouchSlop(). "Distance a touch can wander before we think the user is scrolling" |
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| 12:00:45 | kugel | Zagor: interesting, someone should look into it :) |
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| 12:02:49 | kugel | hm, it appears the exact dpi can be retrieved |
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| 12:04:03 | AlexP | cool, so some sort of dpi + height formula :) |
| 12:04:54 | kugel | android does dpi * TOUCH_SLOP * 0.5 |
| 12:05:23 | kugel | hm not that can't be right |
| 12:05:44 | Zagor | kugel: anything wrong with just using the function provided for this purpose? :) |
| 12:06:40 | Bagder | kugel: it depends what TOUCH_SLOP is... ? |
| 12:06:56 | kugel | I think it would be more useful to have a get_dpi() from the target tree and do our own calculation based on that. the android function only works on android |
| 12:07:24 | Zagor | kugel: this is an android port. it is supposed to use the android environment. |
| 12:07:30 | Bagder | btw, how high dpi do a typical target have? |
| 12:08:02 | kugel | well, the scrolling works on all touchscreens, so we should get the threshold right on all of them |
| 12:08:04 | Zagor | it is supposed to try and blend in. that's another way this port is different from others. normally we do it our own way and screw the OF way. that doesn't work here. |
| 12:08:29 | Zagor | kugel: sure, but we can still use the android-supplied value on android. |
| 12:08:42 | AlexP | I think I'd expect scrolling to work the same way everywhere |
| 12:08:43 | kugel | Bagder: from ~120 to 200+ |
| 12:08:48 | Bagder | ok, thanks |
| 12:09:03 | Bagder | my 24" at home says 96 |
| 12:09:14 | AlexP | (everywhere being between apps on android) |
| 12:10:11 | kugel | we can of course base the calculation off the androids calculation (so that the outcome is the same) but I think the other touchscreens should also get this reasonable thresshold |
| 12:10:40 | kugel | the rockbox ui is the same on all of them |
| 12:10:49 | AlexP | why not just use the android function on android, and do our own thing on other targets? |
| 12:11:07 | Zagor | no, we use the android value on android. and we do a calculation on other targets that don't have such data themselves. |
| 12:11:43 | Zagor | having the android app work like other android apps is *much* more important than having the exact same treshold across different touchscreen ports |
| 12:12:14 | mystica555_ | Zagor: this is true: i've had a few apps that just refuse to scroll 'right' ; opera mini being the biggest offender |
| 12:12:30 | JdGordon| | especially when the threshold is also going to be different for resistive vs capacative screens |
| 12:12:56 | kugel | I thought we consider the same experience across all our ports as very important (we've put off a lot users with keymap changes for that reason) |
| 12:13:17 | JdGordon| | for keymaps - yes |
| 12:13:21 | Zagor | kugel: I just told you: raaa is different. we're guests in another system. normally we are the masters. |
| 12:13:27 | kugel | and again, our calculation can be the same as androids one |
| 12:13:42 | Zagor | no it can't. android's calculation might change in the next version. |
| 12:14:46 | Bagder | it might even vary between versions while we have a single app |
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| 12:18:47 | AlexP | I honestly don't understand why using the android value is bad? |
| 12:19:10 | AlexP | We can make the other targets use a calculation to give approximately the same thing for consistency |
| 12:20:04 | kugel | it's not bad |
| 12:20:49 | kugel | and the value of android most likely would've been taken anyway, either with our calculation or by using the api |
| 12:24:25 | kugel | it doesn't seem possible. the android function isn't based on the exact dpi |
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| 12:24:56 | pixelma | AlexP: was there something else than the "ohter" you wanted fixed in lamp.c? |
| 12:25:07 | AlexP | not that I remember |
| 12:25:12 | AlexP | just that minor typo |
| 12:25:23 | kugel | I'll try to come up with something on the weekend |
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| 12:27:37 | pixelma | ok, did that and rearranged a bit but didn't look for more typos |
| 12:27:58 | AlexP | I didn't look hard, I just happened to notice that one |
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| 12:29:36 | pixelma | err... meant lamp.tex of course |
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| 12:33:43 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: Did you test %Tp ? |
| 12:34:01 | JdGordon| | probably not |
| 12:34:11 | S_a_i_n_t | seems to be broken. |
| 12:34:22 | Alchimysta | Hi |
| 12:35:01 | Alchimysta | How often the CPU has the Sansa Fuze? |
| 12:35:27 | S_a_i_n_t | that doesn't make any sense, could you try again? |
| 12:36:11 | Alchimysta | The google translator is not good, I rephrase the question |
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| 12:36:36 | Alchimysta | How many mhz the cpu has the Fuze? |
| 12:36:46 | S_a_i_n_t | ask google |
| 12:37:41 | soap | google will not easily know what frequency Rockbox runs the fuze CPU at. |
| 12:38:15 | S_a_i_n_t | that wasn't the question though, as far as I understood it. |
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| 12:38:26 | Alchimysta | I have tried .. but to no avail .. you can see from the Rockbox mhz cpu? |
| 12:38:34 | wodz | http://www.pastie.org/1266390 <- why ACTION_FM_RECORD and ACTION_FM_MODE doesn't work at all? |
| 12:38:34 | S_a_i_n_t | correct |
| 12:38:58 | wodz | Alchimysta: the freq depends on how you configure PLL |
| 12:39:34 | Alchimysta | But the standard rate? |
| 12:40:04 | wodz | there is not something like standard - you can set any freq within the limits |
| 12:41:01 | Alchimysta | How it works? |
| 12:41:07 | pixelma | wodz: swcodec targets don't record FM from the FM sreen (but from the recording screen with source set to "FM") only hwcodec does so I wouldn't expect ACTION_FM_RECORD to work |
| 12:41:08 | kugel | wodz: is DEBUG_CANCEL used anywhere except in the target tree debug files? If not I'd move the defines into the C files |
| 12:41:31 | pixelma | wodz: assuming this is for an swcodec target |
| 12:41:38 | wodz | kugel: it is in PCF debug screen I think |
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| 12:42:13 | wodz | pixelma: I see |
| 12:42:18 | Alchimysta | wodz: "you can set any freq within the limits" How it do? |
| 12:42:35 | kugel | what did you else change beside the get_action()= |
| 12:42:50 | kugel | I guess your patch is fine (assuming it works) |
| 12:43:43 | wodz | kugel: I synced with svn dbg_ports() for player |
| 12:43:57 | JdGordon| | wodz: the fm screen code is still a mess.. you need to look at the #defines at the top of radio.c to make sure the code for that action is compiled in |
| 12:44:16 | pixelma | wodz: can't tell you about the FM_MODE from that paste |
| 12:44:18 | wodz | Alchimysta: Please use correct english because it is VERY hard to follow |
| 12:44:21 | mystica555_ | is the question perhaps, "when the player is operating normally, what processor frequencies are used"? my sansa e200 was 30/80-boost if memory serves. |
| 12:44:59 | wodz | e200 is PP he asked about Fuze |
| 12:45:05 | mystica555_ | yes |
| 12:45:14 | mystica555_ | but i am providing a reference for what he may be actually asking |
| 12:45:22 | mystica555_ | my h320 i think is 40/120 |
| 12:45:33 | mystica555_ | so perhaps he wants those mhz values |
| 12:45:45 | wodz | 124 actually |
| 12:45:52 | mystica555_ | versus 'anything you want to set it to', specifically 'what does rockbox set it to during normal runtime' |
| 12:46:09 | wodz | beast is over 500 when boosted |
| 12:46:43 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: the odd thing is, the WPS has no problem with %Tp...but the .sbs doesn't seem to like it at all. |
| 12:46:56 | JdGordon| | FS it |
| 12:47:13 | pixelma | mystica555_: there are two hardware variants of the e200s and CPU is a main difference, what you said is for the e200v1 which is portalplayer |
| 12:47:28 | mystica555_ | pixelma: yes, i understand its the portalplayer vs AMS cpu |
| 12:47:39 | mystica555_ | i am clarifying his question so someone can give the values for the Fuze cpu |
| 12:48:13 | mystica555_ | which i haven't owned yet |
| 12:48:19 | wodz | JdGordon|: what a mess (radio.c) |
| 12:48:19 | Alchimysta | Wods: I'm italian and Use the google translate and is not good "that's why I speak bad English" |
| 12:48:43 | * | mystica555_ seems to be rather good at decyphering google translate stuff...considering i read a lot of things processed via it... |
| 12:49:07 | JdGordon| | wodz: Tell me about it :p it and recording screens are really the last of the origional gui code from the pre-ipod days |
| 12:49:13 | JdGordon| | its had almost no attention |
| 12:49:17 | Alchimysta | Do you know any good translator? |
| 12:50:02 | wodz | sure - lots of it costs something like 10euro per hour |
| 12:50:33 | mystica555_ | so does anyone actually know what frequencies standard/boost are on the Fuze? or is this just going to go into a 'how to translate yourself' discussion |
| 12:50:34 | mystica555_ | :\ |
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| 12:53:16 | Alchimysta | Does anyone speak Italian? |
| 12:54:55 | TheLemonMan | i do |
| 12:55:40 | Alchimysta | :( |
| 12:56:05 | wodz | clock derivation for as SOC looks quite complicated |
| 12:57:45 | Alchimysta | I tried to compile the nes emulator but without success, you could briefly explain it to me? |
| 12:58:16 | TheLemonMan | hows this related with italian ? |
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| 12:59:06 | Alchimysta | I did not understand :( |
| 12:59:12 | wodz | ok sansa fuzev2 uses 40MHz as default |
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| 13:01:05 | pixelma | TheLemonMan: I think he needs someone to explain the process of patching and compiling in Italian (if you do, please take it to a PM :) ) |
| 13:01:17 | wodz | and 248MHz when boosted if I understand sources correctly |
| 13:01:32 | TheLemonMan | ooh got it |
| 13:02:25 | Alchimysta | <pixelma> : Yes :D |
| 13:03:03 | TheLemonMan | Alchimysta, i PM'd you |
| 13:03:26 | Alchimysta | Ok |
| 13:05:00 | rasher | Man, when someone comes up with an easily reproducible codec crash, you guys can be quick! (FS #11710) |
| 13:07:38 | JdGordon| | anything easily reproducable is usually killed pretty quickly |
| 13:09:17 | pixelma | except database hang with no audio files |
| 13:12:11 | JdGordon| | thats a special case of noone wanting to go near tagcache.c |
| 13:12:31 | JdGordon| | and a mostly ridiculous repro |
| 13:13:01 | wodz | JdGordon|: defines at top of radio.c did the trick :-) |
| 13:13:35 | JdGordon| | goody |
| 13:15:41 | CIA-7 | New commit by wodz (r28446): MPIO HD200: adjust FM keymap |
| 13:17:30 | CIA-7 | r28446 build result: All green |
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| 13:37:53 | wodz | this arm eabi compiler is painfully slow :/ |
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| 13:45:16 | S_a_i_n_t | anyone here have an iPod video I can test something on? |
| 13:45:45 | S_a_i_n_t | lack of debug output in the sim is driving me FUCKING MENTAL!!! |
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| 13:54:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: Just read the logs. I have an iPod video, so let me know what you want to try. |
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| 13:55:30 | S_a_i_n_t | aha...awesome. I'll upload a theme, and if you could update to a current build and test it out...it would be great. |
| 13:55:47 | S_a_i_n_t | it would be *really* great if you had FM hardware too. |
| 13:55:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: Sure thing. Let me know when you're ready. |
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| 13:58:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: I don't have FM hardware for my iPod. |
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| 13:59:41 | kugel | JdGordon: does the skin update code yield? |
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| 14:00:02 | JdGordon | no |
| 14:00:32 | kugel | I'm wondering how the next track info event can be missed (FS #11713) |
| 14:01:09 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: Ok, I figured you wouldn't have the FM hardware...that's no big loss, no one seems to. here goes though: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-ee8144b8.html |
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| 14:02:21 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: I'm mainly concerned about the menu screen .sbs |
| 14:02:28 | S_a_i_n_t | if it doesn't look like: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=973&target=ipodnano2g |
| 14:02:36 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll be pissed ;) |
| 14:02:57 | S_a_i_n_t | (sorry...I don't have Video screenshots of how it should look) |
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| 14:03:56 | wodz | ok I tested FS #11712 on MPIO HD200 (CF) and mini 1G (PP). It would be awesome if someone could test this on other PP, CF and SH targets |
| 14:05:39 | TheSeven | wodz: what is that code doing? what kind of debugging functionality does it offer? |
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| 14:06:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: I hate to be a pest, but can you repackage the theme as a zip file? I can't open .7z files on my work PC. |
| 14:06:29 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: Sure, sorry about that. |
| 14:07:28 | wodz | TheSeven: It doesn't offer any new functionality - this simply moves dbg_ports() function to target tree for PP, SH and CF (for other targets it is done this way) |
| 14:08:05 | TheSeven | ah, dbg_ports() was that thing showing GPIO info if boot fails in an early stage? |
| 14:08:11 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: Here you go, take 2 ;) |
| 14:08:12 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-7071079d.html |
| 14:08:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Can you roll me a build for the iPod video and one for the HDD6330 with FS #11712 applied? I can test it on those two targets. |
| 14:09:03 | wodz | TheSeven: no, this is gpio debug info under system->debug->view I/O |
| 14:09:21 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: I can do this later today |
| 14:09:41 | TheSeven | ok. IIRC that's also called on boot failures on nano2g... |
| 14:09:59 | TheSeven | or at least it was during early development |
| 14:10:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Okay. |
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| 14:12:39 | * | TheSeven wonders what's the best way to do storage driver profiling |
| 14:14:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: The theme works in the WPS, but it needs some more work to make it look nice. The menu butts into the status bar on the very top. |
| 14:17:12 | S_a_i_n_t | FUCK! |
| 14:17:29 | S_a_i_n_t | I have NO bloody idea why it's doing that. |
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| 14:17:57 | S_a_i_n_t | themeeditor displays it fine. |
| 14:19:11 | Alchimysta | Is there any software (windows) to create themes for Rockbox? |
| 14:20:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: How does it look in the UI sim? |
| 14:21:14 | S_a_i_n_t | the same...but I was hoping the sim was lying. :/ |
| 14:21:26 | S_a_i_n_t | it supposed to look just like the Nano pics I sent you. |
| 14:21:31 | S_a_i_n_t | (in the link) |
| 14:21:42 | S_a_i_n_t | But, it has broken itself somehow. |
| 14:21:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: Can you pastebin the WPS code for the iPod video's version? Maybe someone who knows the WPS code well can help you out. |
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| 14:22:19 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: "someone who knows WPS code well" is supposed to be me ;) |
| 14:22:21 | S_a_i_n_t | HAHA! |
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| 14:22:31 | wodz | :-) |
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| 14:22:56 | S_a_i_n_t | Alchimysta: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/themeeditor/ |
| 14:23:00 | wodz | n1s: ping |
| 14:23:11 | n1s | pong |
| 14:24:01 | wodz | n1s: do you still have problems to track down bug in CF profile build with new gcc? |
| 14:25:33 | kugel | I wish we can have gcc 4.4.x for all our targets, the we can use #pragma gcc optimize to select optimization in codecs instead of makefile magic (which fails for android) |
| 14:25:58 | n1s | wodz: yes, well, i got it to boot by making the profile_thread_stopped call in switch_thread conditional on thread being nonull but i don't think thread being null makes sense, also it seems to hang when running test_codec |
| 14:26:31 | n1s | kugel: would also be nicer for selecting different optimizations for the various arm cores |
| 14:26:32 | wodz | n1s: I have CF target with BDM |
| 14:27:02 | wodz | this may help to see what is going on |
| 14:27:07 | n1s | wodz: nice, are you willing to look into it? |
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| 14:27:28 | wodz | n1s: I can help but I am unfamiliar with profiling stuff |
| 14:27:41 | * | TheSeven wonders what to do with his post-mortem memory dumper patch |
| 14:27:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Who feels like giving me a lesson in skin coding? |
| 14:27:56 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/rmvBduAv |
| 14:28:04 | n1s | wodz: it's fairly simple to use when it works :) |
| 14:28:08 | wodz | TheSeven: commit if works |
| 14:28:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Show me what I've done wrong...please, like...serioiusly...please. |
| 14:28:21 | S_a_i_n_t | *seriously |
| 14:28:23 | wodz | n1s: I know but I don't know the internals |
| 14:28:41 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: I can only recognize a bunch of %jkd%kj%k%kjH%KJ5 gibberish in that paste :) |
| 14:28:42 | n1s | wodz: to get the boot hang i just enabled profiling support in the config, no modified code had a chance to run |
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| 14:29:46 | S_a_i_n_t | anyone familiar with skin code wanna have a looksee at my pastebin? |
| 14:29:53 | n1s | the only thing that does (or should do) is including the two function calls in switch_thread and including profile.c in the build |
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| 14:31:25 | wodz | n1s: I have to go now, I can look at this tomorrow I think |
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| 14:31:39 | n1s | but even if i commented out the whole body of the profile_thread_stopped function the call still caused a hang so it seems thread is null for some reason but i don't understand why that doesn't hang without profiling |
| 14:31:45 | n1s | wodz: that'd be great :) |
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| 14:38:59 | S_a_i_n_t | Ok, this is weird...it seems to be that the Video is broken specifically. |
| 14:39:08 | S_a_i_n_t | as the same code works on the Nano |
| 14:39:26 | Strife89TX | S_a_i_n_t: ... You *did* make clean first, right? |
| 14:39:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Something recently broke the Video..but I have no idea what yet. |
| 14:39:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Instructions for installing Rockbox on the HDD1630 and HDD6330 are finally completed! |
| 14:39:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Strife89TX: what're you on about? |
| 14:40:16 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: did you test my new hwkeyclick patch? |
| 14:40:19 | TheSeven | does it work? |
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| 14:40:37 | Strife89TX | S_a_i_n_t: Clean your build dir and see if that changes anything. |
| 14:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I haven't had time just yet...as soon as I sat down I've been trying to figure out why the Video is broken. |
| 14:41:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Strife89TX: I can't imagine how it would...especially as I DL'd the sim. |
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| 14:41:29 | Strife89TX | S_a_i_n_t: Ah. |
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| 14:45:21 | S_a_i_n_t | ok....what. the. FUCK!?!?! |
| 14:45:33 | S_a_i_n_t | %Rp and %tp are broen on the Video |
| 14:45:43 | S_a_i_n_t | but...why just on the Video? |
| 14:45:50 | Torne | are those radio related? |
| 14:45:51 | S_a_i_n_t | works fine on Nano. |
| 14:46:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Radio and Recording |
| 14:46:07 | Torne | i can imagine nobody ever tries the ipod radio stuff |
| 14:46:15 | Torne | hm |
| 14:46:21 | S_a_i_n_t | why broken on just one target though? |
| 14:46:34 | S_a_i_n_t | that makes *no* sense to me. |
| 14:46:56 | S_a_i_n_t | %Rp == "has recording?" and %tp == "has FM?" |
| 14:47:02 | * | Torne has a look |
| 14:47:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks...I was trying to code my way out of it with theme code, driving myself mental...but I've come to the conclusion that my code is fine and the build is fucked. |
| 14:47:58 | Torne | i'm assuming you've tested this on a stock current build? |
| 14:48:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I've tested it on stock sims |
| 14:48:12 | Torne | and what do you mean by "broken"? theme fails to load? |
| 14:48:38 | S_a_i_n_t | just the elements with those two tags |
| 14:49:15 | S_a_i_n_t | I tested it by commenting everything out, then uncommenting one by one. |
| 14:49:23 | S_a_i_n_t | it's just %Rp and %tp |
| 14:49:46 | S_a_i_n_t | the same exact code works in the Nano2G sim though, and the Nano1G sim too |
| 14:49:51 | S_a_i_n_t | just not in the video sim. |
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| 14:52:54 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: Can you read skin code? |
| 14:52:59 | Torne | can't see any way %Rp could be broken |
| 14:53:09 | Torne | it's solely conditional on HAVE_RECORDING |
| 14:53:15 | S_a_i_n_t | http://pastebin.com/gL19fkBc |
| 14:53:19 | anewuser | hmmm, what's the ircplayer plugin on this new rockbox release |
| 14:53:19 | Torne | and no |
| 14:53:23 | anewuser | congrats! btw. |
| 14:53:29 | S_a_i_n_t | you can see my changes, that's the only thing that makes it work. |
| 14:53:30 | n1s | hmm, thread is not null, since my panic call never triggers |
| 14:54:02 | S_a_i_n_t | the bloody odd thing is that it works fine in the Nano sim. |
| 14:54:46 | Torne | yeah, dunno |
| 14:54:52 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm. |
| 14:55:03 | Torne | unsurprisingly the feature tag code is trivial |
| 14:55:04 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: JdGordon: around? |
| 14:55:36 | S_a_i_n_t | any idea how %Rp and %tp could be broken...but just on the Video (to my knowledge)? |
| 14:57:51 | Alchimysta | How do I play midi files on Rockbox? |
| 14:58:30 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: are you able to try another theme on your iPod please? |
| 14:58:34 | Torne | Alchimysta: read the manual |
| 14:58:48 | S_a_i_n_t | same theme, just a test to make sure it's broken on device as well as on the sim. |
| 14:59:26 | Alchimysta | How do I install the musical instruments? |
| 14:59:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: Sure. Linky, please. |
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| 15:00:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Alchimysta: Read the manual. |
| 15:00:37 | Alchimysta | Ok, do not get mad ... -.- " |
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| 15:02:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | Alchimysta: Everything that can be explained is explained in the manual. That's what it's there for. |
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| 15:02:38 | Alchimysta | I can not find anything in the manual regarding the midi .. |
| 15:03:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Alchimysta: No one is getting mad, just frustrated that you ask a lot of questions you could easily answer yourself by reading the manual. |
| 15:03:31 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-dc505e10.html |
| 15:03:40 | S_a_i_n_t | and thanks for testing btw LambdaCalculus37 |
| 15:03:46 | S_a_i_n_t | it's a big help. |
| 15:04:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: No problem. :) |
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| 15:06:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: MUCH better! MUCH, MUCH better! |
| 15:06:18 | AlexP | anewuser: It is lrc (as in lowercase L), and the manual has a description of it |
| 15:06:56 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: thanks...I'd rather it was still broken though ;) |
| 15:07:00 | qwd | Hey, I'm going to install Rockbox on my Ipod 5.5 80gb white but I want to remove everything that's on it first and put my new music collection on it. How do I do this? |
| 15:07:09 | S_a_i_n_t | As, this means there's some BLOODY weird bug in the Video code ;p |
| 15:08:01 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: Now you can impress your friends, fool you co-workers, amaze your family with your "hacked" Apple iPod FW ;) |
| 15:08:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: If i had the FM radio hardware for the iPod video, I would gladly help test out the FM radio skin. Alas, as I can't get the hardware in stores anymore, and I don't have a disposable income to buy the hardware online, I can't help with that. |
| 15:08:23 | S_a_i_n_t | qwd: restore it with iTunes |
| 15:08:45 | Alchimysta | voice files exist in Italian? |
| 15:08:53 | S_a_i_n_t | LambdaCalculus37: No problem, you've been a great help anyway. |
| 15:09:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | S_a_i_n_t: And my friends and family know I'm a Rockbox developer already. :P |
| 15:09:14 | qwd | S_a_i_n_t: doh, sorry, should have mentioned I'm on Debian :) |
| 15:09:24 | AlexP | Alchimysta: You need to make them yourself, Rockbox Utility can help |
| 15:10:05 | Alchimysta | Thanks |
| 15:11:09 | qwd | Can I just reformat the hard drive or will that break something? |
| 15:11:41 | S_a_i_n_t | if you're keen, you can restore the iPod manually. |
| 15:12:03 | AlexP | Alchimysta: And for midi, search the pdf manual for "midi" |
| 15:12:06 | AlexP | It is there |
| 15:12:30 | AlexP | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-24300011.3.7 |
| 15:12:36 | * | AlexP is extra kind today |
| 15:12:51 | S_a_i_n_t | qwd: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodManualRestore |
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| 15:13:05 | Alchimysta | I had already found it, thanks |
| 15:13:10 | S_a_i_n_t | qwd: but, if you have acces to a windows machine...just restore with iTunes |
| 15:13:18 | qwd | S_a_i_n_t: Thanks! |
| 15:13:32 | S_a_i_n_t | pretty sure iTunes will run in Wine though |
| 15:14:03 | anewuser | AlexP: oh, hadn't noticed when checking the manual, lrc ok |
| 15:14:08 | anewuser | damn 1 vs l |
| 15:14:14 | wodz | n1s: How did you compile new toolchain to not interfere with current one? |
| 15:14:40 | S_a_i_n_t | qwd: you probably know this, but be very, very, very carefull with dd |
| 15:15:20 | n1s | i used −−program-suffix for the config to add a -4.4 suffix, if you do that you also need a −−program-prefix as otherwise the prefix goes missing |
| 15:15:45 | n1s | i am not actually sure that i'm using the newer toolchain though... |
| 15:15:54 | Alchimysta | Exist other firmware opensource for mp4? |
| 15:15:59 | qwd | S_a_i_n_t: hmm, maybe I'll just manually remove the songs from gtkpod and delete the folders containing miscellaneous files I've saved there. Sounds safer :) Thanks for the help |
| 15:16:16 | S_a_i_n_t | No problem. |
| 15:16:29 | n1s | not toolchain, not sure im using new binutils |
| 15:16:45 | n1s | i set the new suffixed versions in my makefile |
| 15:18:04 | wodz | n1s: So you just compiled new gcc or whole toolchain? |
| 15:18:13 | kugel | wodz: you could simply use a different −−prefix and set $PATH accordingly when executing configure |
| 15:19:03 | n1s | wodz: i compiled the whole toolchain, but i'm not sure which binutils one our buildsystem is actually using |
| 15:19:10 | n1s | s/one// |
| 15:19:25 | kugel | you didnt upgrade binutils as well? |
| 15:20:08 | kugel | we use 2.20.1 for ARM, IIUC using a recent with an old binutils is asking for trouble |
| 15:20:11 | n1s | " i compiled the whole toolchain, but i'm not sure which binutils one our buildsystem is actually using" |
| 15:20:50 | kugel | configure prints the toolchain info it's using for compilatoin |
| 15:20:54 | n1s | since gcc itself calls as and ld i'ts kind of hard to verify |
| 15:21:26 | n1s | yes, it's printed correctly and set in the Makefile but i don't know how to *verify* |
| 15:21:37 | kugel | gcc calls the tools that are in the prefix (it makes some kind of sysroot for this) |
| 15:22:03 | n1s | the prefix is /usr/local for all toolchains now |
| 15:22:12 | Torne | gcc calls whatever its specs say to call |
| 15:23:10 | kugel | I mean prefix as in /usr/local/m68k-elf/ |
| 15:24:54 | kugel | when it calls as it calls <prefix>/<program prefix>/<program prefix>/bin/as IIUC |
| 15:25:05 | n1s | ah, seems the new binutils install overwrote those, nice of it |
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| 15:25:54 | kugel | m68k-elf-* are essentially wrappers |
| 15:26:34 | n1s | i have both versions in /usr/local/bin though |
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| 15:27:07 | kugel | then I suspect you messed up your toolchains :) |
| 15:27:39 | n1s | well, how do you suggest i do it with this new IMO stupid scheme of dumping everything in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 15:28:03 | kugel | use RBDEV_PREFIX to install into somewhere else |
| 15:28:55 | n1s | i'm not talking about my setup here, i want to get this committed sometime and i thought it was changed to be this way for a reason |
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| 15:30:05 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: You know skin code...any idea how %Rp (is target able to record?) and %tp (does target have FM?) could be broken on the iPod Video, but not on the Nano1 or 2Gs? |
| 15:30:10 | kugel | the binaries in /usr/local/m68k-elf/m68k-elf/bin don't have the -4.4 suffix? |
| 15:30:13 | S_a_i_n_t | It doesn't seem possible to me. |
| 15:30:44 | kugel | no |
| 15:30:54 | kugel | other than wrong code, but I can't look at it right now |
| 15:31:39 | S_a_i_n_t | fair enough. |
| 15:31:42 | S_a_i_n_t | It just doesn' |
| 15:31:51 | S_a_i_n_t | +t seem possible to me. |
| 15:31:54 | n1s | kugel: i don't have that dir, i have /usr/local/m68k-elf/bin and they have no prefix or suffixes at all |
| 15:32:08 | n1s | as, ld, gcc etc |
| 15:32:14 | S_a_i_n_t | so I thought I'd ask...I assumed if it were broken for one, it would break for all. |
| 15:32:22 | kugel | n1s: sorry, I meant that dir |
| 15:33:32 | kugel | then I suppose there can't be a transition phase cannot happen |
| 15:34:20 | kugel | a transition phase as in we have current builds with the old compiler for group a, and new gcc builds for group b |
| 15:34:30 | gevaerts | AlexP: I'd say "partly" |
| 15:35:12 | gevaerts | Yes for the manual bits, maybe for SYS_USB_CONNECTED, no for the backlight |
| 15:36:06 | AlexP | yeah |
| 15:36:12 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28447): More plugin keymaps for the GoGear HDD6330. |
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| 15:37:54 | wodz | n1s: so what is the consensus - how should I prepare gcc-4.4 toolchain to not trash current one? |
| 15:37:55 | CIA-7 | r28447 build result: All green |
| 15:38:10 | n1s | wodz: use a differen −−prefix |
| 15:38:32 | kugel | set the RBDEV_PREFIX environment variable to non-/usr/local |
| 15:39:25 | wodz | n1s: so finally what binutils version should I use? |
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| 15:39:47 | n1s | wodz: i use 2.20.1 shouldn't matter much though |
| 15:40:33 | kugel | i would use the latest stable release which is 2.20.1 |
| 15:41:59 | n1s | building with gcc3.4 still works for me so i assume that the new binutils works fine with it too but i think it can not build with the new version for some reason |
| 15:42:18 | n1s | s/can not build/can not be built/ |
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| 15:43:51 | n1s | i should retry that as then we could just keep 2 different gcc's with the same binutils |
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| 15:44:36 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: ping |
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| 15:46:48 | * | TheSeven just found the reason for the nano2g flash slowness |
| 15:47:17 | wodz | congrats |
| 15:48:49 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Oh? |
| 15:49:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Pong |
| 15:49:15 | TheSeven | it's a silly bug that slipped in during some code cleanup |
| 15:49:48 | TheSeven | averaging ~3.6MB/s write speed right now (copying music) |
| 15:50:25 | gevaerts | TheSeven: could it cause other problems? |
| 15:50:30 | TheSeven | that used to be 5MB/s after I introduced the parallelization patch, but right now there's some profiling code enabled that migh slow it down |
| 15:50:43 | TheSeven | before the fix it was ~1.2MB/s |
| 15:51:15 | TheSeven | gevaerts: it was just causing the flash chip capabilities to be misdetected (neither cached nor interleaved writes supported by any chip) |
| 15:51:36 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 15:51:56 | TheSeven | gevaerts: could it be possible that this in endpoint 0x80 bit issue i pointed out yesterday is what causes our hid problems? |
| 15:51:59 | gevaerts | So 3.7 is "fine", but the fix will presumably also be small and safe enough to backport? |
| 15:52:05 | TheSeven | yes |
| 15:52:20 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: I am uploading builds with FS #11712. I'll provide links in a minute |
| 15:52:25 | TheSeven | it's just slow, but the fix is a two-line correction of something that's apprently wrong |
| 15:52:30 | TheSeven | apparently* |
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| 15:52:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Cool. :) |
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| 15:55:30 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I doubt that. HID only looks at the direction |
| 15:55:44 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: http://www.filefactory.com/file/b419ede/n/hdd6330-full.zip and http://www.filefactory.com/file/b419eeg/n/ipodvideo-full.zip |
| 15:55:53 | Drise | Hey guys. Why hasn't usb been enabled for SansaAMSv2 with the patch in flyspray? |
| 15:56:23 | TheSeven | gevaerts: might it confuse UMS with HID packets because of this? |
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| 15:56:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: Read the comments on the task |
| 15:56:44 | S_a_i_n_t | it explains it quite well. |
| 15:56:53 | gevaerts | TheSeven: only if usb_core.c is buggy. That one should never call the wrong transfer_complete() function |
| 15:57:01 | TheSeven | and which way is the correct way actually? with or without 0x80? i'm passing it without right now |
| 15:57:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Going to try the iPod video build first. |
| 15:57:43 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: The test is simple - go to system->debug->view I/O. It should look the same as without patch |
| 15:58:47 | TheSeven | gevaerts: should I add something to the commit message indicating that this fix will be backported? |
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| 15:59:38 | b0hoon | pixelma: how to move the object to the other layer? :D |
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| 16:00:09 | Drise | From what I've read, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the patch is working, with the occasional connection in usb1.1 |
| 16:00:25 | gevaerts | TheSeven: depends. If you plan to do the backporting yourself right away, I don't think any mention is needed. If you don't, a hint for later backporters is definitely useful |
| 16:00:38 | * | gevaerts asks AlexP for his opinion |
| 16:01:14 | * | TheSeven thinks a formalized commit message tag could be helpful to automate things later |
| 16:01:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Looks to be working on the iPod video. |
| 16:01:24 | toffe82 | LambdaCalculus37: the schematics of the 6330 and 6320 mentioned 64mb of RAM |
| 16:01:41 | wodz | :-) |
| 16:01:45 | toffe82 | there is nothing about another version with less memory |
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| 16:01:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: That's rather strange why playback would crash on mine. |
| 16:01:49 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I suspect usb_core_transfer_complete() wants the endpoint without the direction bit |
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| 16:02:08 | TheSeven | gevaerts: in that case my implementation would be correct. damn. |
| 16:02:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | toffe82: I'm going to try 64MB again on mine just to make sure it isn't being goofy with me. |
| 16:02:16 | gevaerts | TheSeven: bad luck :) |
| 16:03:26 | gevaerts | TheSeven: The endpoint number you pass in there is used as an array index in usb_core_handle_transfer_completion(), so leaving the direction bit in would actually be dangerous |
| 16:04:11 | TheSeven | ok |
| 16:04:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Let me get out my USB cable for my GoGear and I'll try that one out. |
| 16:04:49 | TheSeven | this IMHO deserves a comment, as it's breaking the convention used in other places (e.g. the endpoint allocator) |
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| 16:06:03 | Drise | S_a_i_n_t: What is the command to build the tools in cygwin? |
| 16:06:20 | S_a_i_n_t | "the tools"? |
| 16:06:44 | S_a_i_n_t | what are you trying to build? |
| 16:06:47 | * | wodz is looking for testers with Archos Player and other SH Archos target |
| 16:07:22 | Drise | for compiling. |
| 16:07:55 | TheSeven | gevaerts: should i just commit this to svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/v3_7/ |
| 16:07:57 | S_a_i_n_t | I am not sure what tools you are talking about...do you have the source downloaded, and the toolchain built? |
| 16:08:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: ^ |
| 16:08:22 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I think so |
| 16:08:32 | Drise | And if I don't respond immediatly, it is becuase i have lag +20 seconds or so. And yes I need to build the tool chain, I think. |
| 16:08:46 | Drise | I do have source downloaded. |
| 16:08:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: Do you have the source downloaded? |
| 16:09:21 | S_a_i_n_t | aha..ok, cd to "\rockbox\tools\ |
| 16:09:35 | S_a_i_n_t | then do "./rockboxdev.sh" |
| 16:09:40 | S_a_i_n_t | (without the quotes) |
| 16:10:06 | S_a_i_n_t | then select "e" to build the eabi toolchain. |
| 16:10:24 | S_a_i_n_t | then wait 6-to-12 hours for it to compile ;) |
| 16:10:53 | Drise | Thanks. |
| 16:12:06 | Drise | And hope for no errors. |
| 16:12:13 | Drise | Like last time. |
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| 16:14:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Sorry for the delay, I'm taking a little advantage of having my HDD6330 hooked up to start transfering some music into it. :) |
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| 16:17:23 | * | Drise is lagging +30 seconds... |
| 16:21:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: If you do get any errors, either PM me or post here and highlight me...pastebin the failed section of build output, and I should be able to tell you what packages you need to install. |
| 16:21:37 | S_a_i_n_t | there's quite a few packages you don't *need* to build the toolchain...but can speed up building it quite a lot. |
| 16:21:39 | Drise | S_a_i_n_t: Is there a way to set "checkpoints" so to speak with this thing in case of errors? Is there something we (I) could do to implement this? |
| 16:21:46 | S_a_i_n_t | No |
| 16:21:54 | S_a_i_n_t | it needs to build start to finish |
| 16:22:01 | S_a_i_n_t | if it fails, you must start again. |
| 16:22:24 | S_a_i_n_t | you don't have to DL everything again, but the build dir MUST be cleared if it fails. |
| 16:24:07 | Drise | Which is in tmp correct? |
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| 16:25:26 | S_a_i_n_t | correct |
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| 16:25:39 | AlexP | gevaerts, TheSeven: If you intend to do it yourslef, then I think nothing special is needed - I plan to just look at the commits to the branch to do e.g. release notes. If you don't intend to do it, then it'd be good to have a marker. |
| 16:26:06 | CIA-7 | New commit by theseven (r28448): Fix a small bug that prevented the iPod Nano 2G NAND driver from detecting interleaved write-capable chips. |
| 16:26:11 | CIA-7 | New commit by theseven (r28449): Fix a small bug that prevented the iPod Nano 2G NAND driver from detecting interleaved write-capable chips. (Backported from r28448) |
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| 16:26:22 | AlexP | Like that looks ideal to me :) |
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| 16:27:45 | CIA-7 | r28448 build result: All green |
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| 16:36:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:36:21 | * | LambdaCalculus37 prepares to promote the GoGear HDD16x0 to Unstable |
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| 16:58:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Works on my HDD6330 as well. |
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| 17:00:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: I don't have my Archos JBR with me today; if I did I'd help test the patch there as well. |
| 17:06:53 | pSiKO | hi everybody, I have a question about Mpeg movie on rockbox |
| 17:07:01 | pSiKO | I follow the http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:07:29 | pSiKO | and use mencoder, on my pc movie is playing fine |
| 17:07:47 | pSiKO | but on RB, the soud is delayed |
| 17:08:01 | pSiKO | someone knows why? |
| 17:08:36 | pSiKO | and btw if some can write here the option he use to encode video, that could help me, thx |
| 17:09:09 | pSiKO | I'll try with many video the result is always the same |
| 17:09:25 | gevaerts | pSiKO: which player do you have? |
| 17:09:32 | pSiKO | sans fuze v2 |
| 17:09:34 | n1s | wodz: i'm pretty sure i spotted the bug |
| 17:09:44 | n1s | i just don't know how to fix it |
| 17:09:48 | Drise | I've known of audio bitrates can mess with sounds syncing, but that is from Sansa Fuze using the sansa converter |
| 17:10:31 | Drise | pSiKO, give me a minute and i can tell you what to look for |
| 17:10:49 | pSiKO | Drise: thx a lot :) |
| 17:11:40 | Drise | What is the audio sample rate of your movie? (assuming windows.... right click>properties>details>audio sample rate) |
| 17:12:02 | pSiKO | source or destination ? |
| 17:12:39 | pSiKO | source is AAC @64kb |
| 17:12:49 | pSiKO | destination is mp3@128kb |
| 17:12:59 | Drise | I'm talking about the file itself. |
| 17:13:23 | Drise | The sample rate is different than the encoding rate and type. |
| 17:13:30 | gevaerts | What video bitrate did you use? |
| 17:13:31 | Drise | right click the file |
| 17:13:41 | pSiKO | I'm not under windows |
| 17:14:03 | pSiKO | vide bitrate is mpeg2@600kb/s |
| 17:14:21 | Drise | hm... |
| 17:14:41 | pSiKO | Drise: you speak about audio sample on the source video or on converted video ? |
| 17:14:51 | Drise | source |
| 17:15:19 | gevaerts | pSiKO: Drise is asking for sample rate, not bitrate |
| 17:15:20 | pSiKO | basicly it's a flv from youtube, converted using info on the mpeg wiki |
| 17:16:35 | Drise | I've always had issues with the sample rate causing sync issues. |
| 17:16:43 | pSiKO | gevaerts: sorry but what do you mean by "sample rate" ? |
| 17:16:52 | gevaerts | pSiKO: have you tried lower bitrates? 128kbps for audio sounds high if the source is only 64kbps, and I'm not at all convinced that 600kbps video makes sense on 220x176. I'd go for 64kbps and 500kbps |
| 17:17:27 | pSiKO | ok thx, I'll try right now |
| 17:17:34 | gevaerts | pSiKO: hm, not sure how to explain that. It's the number that's usually 22.050 kHz or 44.1 kHz or so |
| 17:17:51 | pSiKO | btw if someone have a video that play fine on Sansa/RB can he post the file details here ? |
| 17:18:06 | pSiKO | ha ok nice sound is re-sampled at 44.1 kHz |
| 17:18:10 | gevaerts | pSiKO: the videos at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos should play fine |
| 17:18:29 | gevaerts | The first one should be right for the fuze |
| 17:18:58 | pSiKO | haaa! , I doesnt seen there is sample !! |
| 17:19:08 | pSiKO | thx again guys |
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| 17:19:45 | pSiKO | I take thise one "http://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg" |
| 17:20:03 | gevaerts | yes, that should be the right one |
| 17:20:45 | pSiKO | if it's played correctly, I use the same setting for all my video |
| 17:21:32 | wodz | n1s: whats the problem than? |
| 17:22:05 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: Can you test on SH any time soon? |
| 17:23:40 | n1s | wodz: when calling the profile_thread_stopped function, the arg is pushed on stack (and stack pointer decremented), then after that function returns the store_context function stores the stack pointer before it is incremented again so the wrong stackpointer is restored when it switches to that thread the next time |
| 17:24:31 | n1s | fun thing is that i don't know if this can be fixed without writing all of switch_thread in asm :( |
| 17:25:02 | TheLemonMan | lol theres a thread switcher in C ? |
| 17:25:13 | n1s | yes |
| 17:25:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: I can test tonight. |
| 17:25:53 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: do you want me to provide the build? |
| 17:26:03 | TheLemonMan | ohmy, the world is near the end then |
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| 17:26:59 | * | n1s wonders if jhMikeS has any ideas about this |
| 17:27:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: I can roll my own build tonight with the patch applied. |
| 17:27:22 | wodz | ok |
| 17:27:43 | TheLemonMan | n1s, any link ? |
| 17:28:21 | n1s | TheLemonMan: it's in firmware/thread.c you can browse the source from the website |
| 17:29:07 | TheLemonMan | its machine independent ? |
| 17:29:29 | n1s | the function isn't long so writing it in asm wouldn't be very much work but it's not so nice if someone want's to change it... |
| 17:30:01 | n1s | TheLemonMan: mostly, the store/restore_context functions are inline asm |
| 17:30:40 | n1s | and various interrupt/core sleep functions are specific for each core |
| 17:31:42 | TheLemonMan | oh, i see, looks pretty nice |
| 17:32:09 | Torne | okay, so I kinda have some kind of SMART support working, but I have no idea what it should do if it notices the disk is dying. |
| 17:32:15 | Torne | we don't have a clickthrough-type screen.. :) |
| 17:32:42 | n1s | "your disk is dying. (yes/no)?" :) |
| 17:33:05 | Torne | n1s: "your disk is dying, are you afraid? (yes/no)" ) |
| 17:34:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: "*Panic*: The End Is Nigh!" |
| 17:34:02 | Torne | a splash seems kinda inadequate |
| 17:34:11 | Torne | panicing could be very annoying though since it may be mistaken |
| 17:34:36 | Torne | i thought maybe a yesno where yes sets a setting so it doesn't tell you again |
| 17:34:43 | gevaerts | Panic every second time? |
| 17:34:44 | Torne | but that also seems like it could be dismissed too easily |
| 17:35:19 | S_a_i_n_t | surely you could make it so it can't be dismissed for X seconds? |
| 17:35:33 | TheLemonMan | an icon that keeps reminding you that the end is near ? |
| 17:35:34 | Torne | not with yesno |
| 17:35:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm. |
| 17:35:47 | Torne | thta would have to be inventing a new UI element type thing |
| 17:35:52 | gevaerts | Torne: I know! Provide a wps tag for it |
| 17:35:56 | Torne | haha |
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| 17:37:07 | TheLemonMan | format the hdd to stop the sufference ? |
| 17:37:22 | Torne | generally that doesn't mkae threshold-exceeded go away :) |
| 17:37:40 | Torne | anyway enough silly suggestions, i think.. |
| 17:38:01 | Torne | i considered this before for the 32/64mb build thing as a way to tell you you had the 32mb build on a 64mb player and couldn't think of anything nice then either |
| 17:38:05 | Torne | but we solved that one by unifying the builds :0 |
| 17:38:17 | gevaerts | No such solution now though |
| 17:38:34 | pixelma | quick "poll" about readability: "#if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) || !defined(SIMULATOR)". How obvious is this line and can people say what it is good for? I know it, I'm just curious why it was changed to something wrong twice and if there is something to make it better (and prevent a third time) |
| 17:39:36 | n1s | pixelma: i agree that one is non obvious but not sure how to make it nicer |
| 17:40:01 | n1s | probably adding acomment if there's none is easiest |
| 17:40:20 | n1s | Torne: i'd go with putting the info in the debug menu as a first step |
| 17:40:26 | alexbobP | pixelma: that seems obvious to me... |
| 17:40:29 | pixelma | but you understand what it is good for? |
| 17:40:32 | Torne | n1s: yeah, done that already |
| 17:40:32 | gevaerts | pixelma: should that be !defined(SIMULATOR) or (CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_NATIVE) ? |
| 17:40:39 | alexbobP | oh, I don't understand what it's fore |
| 17:40:42 | alexbobP | but I can tell what it does :P |
| 17:40:44 | Torne | n1s: well, not committed it, but implemented it and tried it on my ipod :) |
| 17:40:58 | n1s | pixelma: everything but hwcodec sims so i guess everything that actually plays music :) |
| 17:41:05 | Drise | S_a_i_n_t: Are you here? |
| 17:41:10 | Torne | n1s: at the moment it just checks for smart being supported and enabled, and if it's enabled it does SMART RETURN STATUS to ask the drive if thresholds are exceeded |
| 17:41:13 | S_a_i_n_t | yep |
| 17:41:14 | Torne | it does it once at boot |
| 17:41:18 | gevaerts | pixelma: I'm guessing it's about sound playback on the sim? |
| 17:41:25 | Torne | but if thresholds *are* exceeded then it should probably tell you somehow :) |
| 17:41:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: yes |
| 17:41:28 | pixelma | and the 100 points go to n1s |
| 17:41:31 | Drise | I got warning about vnsprint, it is assuming it is ok. |
| 17:41:39 | n1s | \o/ |
| 17:41:43 | Drise | *vsnprint |
| 17:41:56 | pixelma | gevaerts: exclusion of metronome in hwcodec sims |
| 17:41:59 | Drise | Should I be worried? |
| 17:41:59 | n1s | Torne: cool, i have no good suggestions for the ui stuff either though :/ |
| 17:42:05 | gevaerts | I'd say !(CONFIG_CODEC == HWCODEC && defined(SIMULATOR)) |
| 17:42:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: Basically, you'll know if it's not ok, because everything will stop...you'll only know everything is ok when you get the message telling you it has completed, and to edit <blah> to your path |
| 17:42:49 | pixelma | gevaerts: that's even less readable to me |
| 17:42:50 | S_a_i_n_t | *don't* edit the $PATH btw...you don't need to |
| 17:42:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: ^ |
| 17:43:01 | Drise | Alright... |
| 17:43:03 | gevaerts | pixelma: in that case a good comment :) |
| 17:43:33 | pixelma | got it now, hmm... |
| 17:43:56 | pixelma | someone should implement MAS emulation ;) |
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| 17:44:19 | gevaerts | yes, that would fix the entire issue :) |
| 17:44:21 | n1s | Torne: i think a splash and setting could work actually, slightly annouying untill you actively disable it, which can't really be done by accident |
| 17:44:38 | Torne | n1s: a longish splash, you mean? :) |
| 17:44:57 | Torne | also, i'm not sure what hte text should be |
| 17:44:58 | pixelma | adding a comment was my idea too |
| 17:45:06 | Torne | it would have to be fairly brief so that it fits on various screens |
| 17:45:13 | pixelma | but I hoped there could be something nicer |
| 17:45:14 | Torne | since i'm resaonably sure SMART should work on basically every ATA-based device |
| 17:45:21 | Torne | and that includes the Archoses :) |
| 17:45:26 | gevaerts | pixelma: can't one buy a MAS on a parallel port adapter? Maybe we could do that :) |
| 17:48:45 | wodz | gevaerts: It won't work in the USB era :-) |
| 17:50:02 | tmzt | Torne: the western digital basic drives had it disabled in firmware |
| 17:50:12 | tmzt | they were only meant to be used through usb so didn't need it |
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| 17:51:22 | Torne | tmzt: seems odd.. |
| 17:51:37 | tmzt | they were sata as well |
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| 17:54:48 | Torne | what? |
| 17:55:01 | Torne | oh, you're not talking about anything relevant to rockbox |
| 17:55:02 | Torne | i see ;) |
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| 17:59:17 | Torne | n1s: not sure what the splash could say that is reasonably likely to fit on variou sscreens ;) |
| 17:59:36 | n1s | nope, that is tricky |
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| 18:01:25 | pixelma | the line above was changed to just have the SWCODEC part and was wrapped in a "#ifndef SIMULATOR" which means - metronome is now unnecessarily excluded from hwcodec builds and swcodec sims |
| 18:02:19 | pixelma | the whole thing was done to "improve readability" but I don't think it does in maybe 90% of the changes :\ |
| 18:02:34 | pixelma | it was a bigger change |
| 18:03:08 | n1s | readability is usually subjective |
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| 18:04:09 | gevaerts | readability is definitely subjective, but it should never win over correctness... |
| 18:04:25 | n1s | no, definitely not :) |
| 18:05:05 | gevaerts | pixelma: which revision is this? |
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| 18:05:45 | pixelma | gevaerts: r26114, I stick to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/SOURCES?annotate=26114 which gives me the complete picture |
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| 18:06:34 | pixelma | or http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/SOURCES?r1=25604&r2=26114 for the diff |
| 18:07:06 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes, that's definitely wrong |
| 18:07:45 | gevaerts | I guess he was misled by all other !defined(SIMULATOR) conditions being && |
| 18:07:59 | pixelma | yeah, thought so too |
| 18:08:12 | pixelma | so I should leave the other changes and move metronome to a more appropriate place (and restore the correct condition)? |
| 18:08:34 | gevaerts | I think that's best, yes |
| 18:09:35 | pixelma | even if it's just a plugin, but maybe this could be backported then too |
| 18:10:36 | gevaerts | leaving out a plugin by accident is definitely a regression, yes :) |
| 18:11:07 | wodz | pixelma: is there svg version of your remotes? I would like to borrow 'rocker arrow' for mpio :-) |
| 18:12:08 | pixelma | there are SVGs of the iriverh100 and iaudiom3 remotes in SVN (manual/rockbox_interface/images) |
| 18:12:33 | kugel | http://pastie.org/1267107 implements the scroll threshold |
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| 18:12:52 | kugel | and the immediate opening of the context menu |
| 18:12:57 | pixelma | wodz: the iaudiom3-front also has those arrows |
| 18:15:32 | wodz | pixelma: can this one be pushed as well? |
| 18:16:01 | pixelma | gevaerts: (CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_NATIVE) replaced the SIMULATOR defines? |
| 18:16:41 | wodz | pixelma: not entirely I think |
| 18:17:07 | gevaerts | pixelma: actually, (CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_HOSTED). I also changed the "!" bit :). But yes, as wodz says, not always. Maybe in this case SIMULATOR is still the right one... |
| 18:17:24 | * | gevaerts thinks that kugel will probably know |
| 18:18:21 | pixelma | wodz: hmm, not sure but I didn't draw an arrow for the push movement on the remotes either. I didn't like the look and thought placing the button label there is clear enough |
| 18:18:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | The HDD6330's LCD refresh appears to be quite slow. |
| 18:18:51 | kugel | gevaerts: what's the issue? |
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| 18:18:57 | pixelma | gevaerts: well the only "problem" are hwcodec sims |
| 18:19:32 | gevaerts | kugel: metronome needs to be excluded on hwcodec sims. Do we need SIMULATOR or CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_HOSTED ? |
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| 18:22:28 | kugel | gevaerts: it shouldn't matter much if it's with && defined(HWCODEC) |
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| 18:23:28 | * | kugel looks at the file |
| 18:24:12 | kugel | for most of the plugins SIMULATOR seems more correct |
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| 18:25:42 | pixelma | defined(HWCODEC) doesn't exist IIUC, that's not the point here though, just saying ;) |
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| 18:27:03 | pixelma | I'm a bit confused now where to go from here |
| 18:27:20 | kugel | PLATFORM_NATIVE is !SIMULATOR && !APPLICATION, basically, vice versa PLATFORM_HOSTED is SIMULATOR || APPLICATIOn |
| 18:30:07 | kugel | for metronome it should be "#if CONFIG_CODEC == HWCODEC && !defined(SIMULATOR) || CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC" |
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| 18:30:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Ping |
| 18:30:56 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: pong |
| 18:31:21 | pixelma | kugel: it was "#if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC || !defined SIMULATOR" before |
| 18:31:37 | pixelma | which worked back then |
| 18:31:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: You were right about the HDD6330 having 64MB of RAM. Mine was just being goofy on me. |
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| 18:31:52 | kugel | that's the same, just shorter and less clear :) |
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| 18:32:24 | pixelma | less clear seems to be subjective and which is why I asked before |
| 18:32:33 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: hmm that's not good if it doesn't work for you :/ |
| 18:32:39 | AlexP | gevaerts: http://pastebin.ca/1979728 is the r28429 diff, if you get 5 minutes could you chop out the uneeded bits? I think I know which they are, but to avoid mistakes :) I'll then do some test builds |
| 18:33:01 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: so something is wrong with the hardware? |
| 18:33:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: No, nothing's wrong now. I'm running a 64MB build and it's working just dandy. |
| 18:34:05 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: so why it didn't work before? |
| 18:34:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: No clue at all. A Heisenbug, perhaps? |
| 18:35:00 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yep :) |
| 18:35:30 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: good work with the plugins :) |
| 18:35:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Thanks! I'm going to finish off more tonight. |
| 18:36:01 | pixelma | kugel: gevaerts suggested "#if !(CONFIG_CODEC == HWCODEC && defined(SIMULATOR))" which is a third way to write it and I'd prefer that slightly over yours |
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| 18:37:05 | kugel | I don't mind which way |
| 18:37:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Have you noticed LCD refresh to be slow on your HDD6320? |
| 18:38:11 | pixelma | anyway... you answered the question if SIMULATOR should be used or not. I'll only change that and move it outside the platform block. If someone else thinks that something needs changing about the latter, feel free |
| 18:38:16 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes, it's slow... actually it is slower than in case of ipod video |
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| 18:38:53 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: but Ipod video has a mapped video memory IIRC |
| 18:39:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I can practically see the screen redraw if I look at it from a certain angle. |
| 18:39:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Any clue how the video memory on the HDD63x0 works? |
| 18:39:45 | wodz | pixelma: What should be on the labels for buttons? Should be full word (Play, Volume Up, Forward) or should it adhere to the label on the device itself (which in case of MPIO would mean FF, Func and REW instead of Forward, Function, Rewind) |
| 18:39:45 | Torne | ipod video's isn't really mapped, i thought? |
| 18:39:58 | Torne | the BCM has a framebuffer but the framebuffer is not directly read to drive the display, the BCM has an internal framebuffer too |
| 18:40:01 | Torne | i could be wrong |
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| 18:40:28 | b0hoon | Torne: no i could be wrong totally |
| 18:41:07 | pixelma | wodz: the way you refer to it in the manual, most use the full words and I like it better personally too |
| 18:41:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Torne: IIRC on the iPod video we use very little functionality from the BCM. |
| 18:41:15 | Torne | b0hoon: yeah, it's as i describe more or less |
| 18:41:24 | Torne | LambdaCalculus37: little, yes, but it's still not a direct mapped framebuffer |
| 18:41:37 | Torne | lcd_update and lcd_update_rect poke the BCM into sucking the contents of our video buffer up |
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| 18:41:59 | Torne | hm, in fact no, we have to write it into it. |
| 18:42:04 | Torne | so yeah, it's not even DMAed |
| 18:42:08 | Torne | that's why it's so slow :) |
| 18:42:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Do you know anything about the LCD controller in the HDD63x0? |
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| 18:42:47 | pixelma | wodz: I mean if the user will read "Press Play to start playback" or so then the picture should also have "Play" on it. |
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| 18:42:57 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: in the OF LCD is filled through the LCD2 bridge |
| 18:43:04 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: not much |
| 18:43:50 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: that is the main problem |
| 18:44:32 | b0hoon | b0hoon: there is no any sophisticated code in the OF i'm afraid |
| 18:44:42 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: ^ |
| 18:45:07 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: :D but it's time to look at it deeper |
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| 18:46:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: On the wiki page, only the HDD16x0's LCD controller is listed; it's an Leadis Technology LDS176. Is this the same chip in the HDD63x0 or is there a different chip? |
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| 18:47:50 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: it's hard to tell what is it, LCD is not described, LDS was matched to the behavior in the OF |
| 18:48:33 | soap | pixelma, I think the choice to use full words in this situation is pretty cut-and-dry. I can't see an issue using full words (as opposed to the minimal words on the device itself) except for in the (currently non-existant case) where the hardware has ambigious abreviations. |
| 18:49:28 | pixelma | if it's a common abreviation yes |
| 18:49:58 | soap | right. I don't believe there is a case currently where the hardware has "unusual" abreviations silk-screened on it. |
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| 18:50:34 | soap | If that were to be encountered I think a stronger case for using the abreviation as found on the hardware could be made. |
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| 18:51:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: The service manual doesn't seem to describe an LCD controller in the block diagram. |
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| 18:52:46 | b0hoon | yes, it's not on the main board it's in lcd |
| 18:53:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I see the ADV7179 TV-out controller, but it looks like it draws direct to the LCD. |
| 18:53:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Ahhh, now I see what you and lowlight have been talking about. |
| 18:54:26 | dt84 | hi. I'm new to rockbox, installed it 2 days ago on my Sansa Clip+. As I noticed, rockbox sits on the original firmware, not replacing it, right? I noticed a bug: a few times when I opened the player, the original GUI appeared. Is it a known issue? |
| 18:54:28 | pixelma | soap: there are targets with "A-B" buttons but we refer to them as "A-B" too |
| 18:55:37 | AlexP | dt84: No, it replaces it |
| 18:55:47 | AlexP | dt84: But we keep the OF round so you can dual boot |
| 18:56:17 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: about the radio? |
| 18:56:21 | AlexP | dt84: If you hold certain button on boot, or insert USB you will get the OF |
| 18:56:21 | dt84 | AlexP: so what I noticed wasn't a but, but a feature? |
| 18:56:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: No, about how the LCD works. |
| 18:57:08 | AlexP | dt84: It depends what you mean by "open the player" |
| 18:57:40 | dt84 | AlexP: Turning it on |
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| 18:57:58 | AlexP | yes, I got that - I meant how you were turning it on :) |
| 18:58:31 | dt84 | oh :) |
| 18:58:50 | dt84 | I'm aware of only 1 way of turning it on - the on/off button. I'm not talking about USB or anything like that |
| 18:59:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Oh! Speaking of the radio... mine works. |
| 18:59:27 | AlexP | OK - if you have a look in the manual, there is a certain button that if you press it when turning on it will boot the OF - I guess you might have been pressing that by mistke |
| 18:59:46 | AlexP | It might even by if you turn on with hold on, I can't remember for the clip+ |
| 18:59:59 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: ADV7179 doesn't draw directly to the LCD, the from the bus are to the ADV, it gives the TV out only |
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| 19:00:16 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: the arrows from the bus |
| 19:00:25 | AlexP | dt84: hmmm, no - for the clip+ it is left apparently |
| 19:00:36 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: mine not :D |
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| 19:04:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: At any rate, do you think we should at least get the HDD16x0 promoted to Unstable? The HDD63x0 should, at the very least, have all of the plugin keymaps committed and plugins enabled before we promote that build. |
| 19:05:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: The HDD16x0 works well enough that it can be considered good for everyday use. |
| 19:05:25 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: HDD6320 doesn't have the module with the radio |
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| 19:05:43 | dt84 | AlexP: where can you read this? from what I can see, the "home" button also loads the OF |
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| 19:05:51 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes it should go to unstable IMO |
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| 19:06:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: We should add dynamic checking at startup to look for the FM radio. IIRC the Gigabeast does the same thing since the S30 doesn't have FM radio. |
| 19:06:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Would you like to do the honors? :) |
| 19:07:28 | AlexP | dt84: I was looking at the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-280003.1.3 - if home also starts the OF then the manual is wrong and needs updating |
| 19:07:46 | Alchimysta | Does Rockbox read ebook? |
| 19:07:48 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i don't remember how :P |
| 19:07:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: :P |
| 19:08:49 | dt84 | AlexP: I see. Thanks :) |
| 19:08:51 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, the normal mechanism is to use tuner_get(RADIO_PRESENT) to detect presence of the tuner. This is already implemented for all tuner drivers. |
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| 19:09:11 | AlexP | Alchimysta: Read the manual |
| 19:09:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: That's how the beast does it, correct? |
| 19:09:17 | bertrik | It gets a little more complicated when it's possible to have more than one tuner type for one target |
| 19:09:27 | Alchimysta | Yes o no? |
| 19:09:32 | AlexP | Read the manual |
| 19:09:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Did you see my comments on FS #10329? |
| 19:09:39 | Alchimysta | why? |
| 19:09:42 | AlexP | Stop asking questions here that are in the manual |
| 19:09:46 | AlexP | It is very very annoying |
| 19:09:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Alchimysta: Because the manual will tell you what you need to know. |
| 19:10:05 | AlexP | Alchimysta: We didn't bother writing the manual just so we could repeat it all again for anyone that asks |
| 19:10:20 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37, bertrik: it must be detected somehow through some GPIOs probably |
| 19:10:21 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, yes, all targets already do it like this AFAIK. The radio menu item is only present when the tuner has been actually detected at runtime. |
| 19:10:30 | Alchimysta | ok :( |
| 19:10:37 | AlexP | dt84: Is it just pressing home, or holding home while pressing power? |
| 19:10:44 | pixelma | Alchimysta: people get tired of answering the same question again and again so a manual was created and people can find out themselves |
| 19:10:54 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes. |
| 19:11:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Ahh. |
| 19:11:44 | bertrik | b0hoon, I think most drivers just look for some magic id in one of the tuner registers instead of looking at specific GPIOs |
| 19:12:23 | b0hoon | bertrik: for the tea5767 it always return true |
| 19:12:24 | dt84 | AlexP: holding it. |
| 19:12:33 | AlexP | dt84: Thanks |
| 19:12:43 | bertrik | b0hoon, oh, that |
| 19:12:48 | bertrik | 's not nice! |
| 19:13:22 | b0hoon | bertrik: trunk/firmware/drivers/tuner/tea5767.c |
| 19:13:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: That's not good at all if it always returns true. |
| 19:13:58 | dt84 | AlexP: btw, I asked you before where did you get that info, cause I read the pdf manual and couldn't find info about that. So I guess the pdf and the online manuals are not synced. Just thought you might want to know. |
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| 19:14:21 | AlexP | dt84: Hmmm, they should be - let me check |
| 19:14:46 | pixelma | dt84: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-280003.1.3 |
| 19:15:02 | pixelma | downside of the online manual is that it is not searchable |
| 19:15:27 | pixelma | PDF and online version are build from the same source and are only out of sync when something is broken |
| 19:15:38 | AlexP | dt84: I see that section in both pdf and online |
| 19:15:38 | pixelma | *built |
| 19:15:40 | AlexP | 3.1.1 |
| 19:15:53 | AlexP | *3.1.3 |
| 19:15:58 | dt84 | AlexP: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus.pdf ? |
| 19:16:03 | AlexP | yep |
| 19:16:32 | dt84 | I searched for "Starting the original firmware" in the pdf file, with no results. |
| 19:16:48 | bertrik | b0hoon, LambdaCalculus37, maybe we could at least check if there is a device responding to the i2c address |
| 19:17:03 | bertrik | there is also a 4-bit chip id |
| 19:17:06 | b0hoon | bertrik: the module with the radio for the HDD6330 is detected on some pins of the Soc (it's from the service manual) |
| 19:17:21 | b0hoon | bertrik: good idea |
| 19:17:26 | AlexP | dt84: Do you see section 3.1.3? |
| 19:18:13 | pixelma | I linked it... should be at the top of your page |
| 19:18:24 | dt84 | AlexP: Yes. How odd. I guess that might be a strange bug in my pdf reader. |
| 19:18:28 | AlexP | pixelma: Yeah, talking about the pdf one though |
| 19:18:37 | b0hoon | bertrik: but the service manual is outdated (it's some first version) and the pins are inappropriate :/ |
| 19:18:46 | pixelma | oh, hmm |
| 19:18:50 | AlexP | dt84: I've just tried and mine doesn't find it either, even when looking at it (okular) |
| 19:18:59 | AlexP | dt84: What pdf reader? |
| 19:19:00 | bertrik | can anybody with a target containing a tea5767 tuner, check if there's something in the FM debug menu. I expect some 5 byte output, the 4th byte contains the chip id |
| 19:19:16 | dt84 | AlexP: Ubuntu's Document Viewer 2.32.0. |
| 19:19:18 | AlexP | dt84: Looks like something odd in the manual then |
| 19:19:25 | AlexP | Anyone have adobe reader? |
| 19:19:45 | pixelma | yep, downloading the PDF as we speak |
| 19:19:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Besides the GoGear HDD6330, which other devices have the TEA5767 tuner? |
| 19:19:58 | AlexP | If I cut and paste the heading here I get "Starting the original rmware" |
| 19:20:06 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: H10 IIRC |
| 19:20:20 | bertrik | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmTunerHardware#TEA5767 |
| 19:20:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I haven't got an H10. |
| 19:20:32 | AlexP | dt84, pixelma: There is something odd in that heading |
| 19:20:43 | AlexP | fi != |
| 19:20:57 | dt84 | oh. I guess that explains it... |
| 19:21:00 | pixelma | yes, the "fi" gets interpreted as the fi "character" |
| 19:21:16 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: me neither |
| 19:21:26 | bertrik | The tea5760 tuner driver does use a chip and manufacturer id to detect presence |
| 19:21:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: On my HDD6330: Read: 29 FF 36 20 CC; Write: A9 FF 00 5A 40 |
| 19:22:02 | pixelma | AlexP, dt84: ...in some readers. It's been reported as bug before and I thought it was fixed |
| 19:22:15 | pixelma | apparently it's not |
| 19:22:22 | AlexP | it seems not, no :) |
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| 19:23:36 | pixelma | hmm, Adobe Reader doesn't cope with it either |
| 19:26:25 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, that's consistent with the chip id from the datasheet, which says about 4th byte, bit 3..1 : "Chip Identification: these bits have to be set to logic 0" |
| 19:26:55 | Alchimysta | Adobe Reader is sh*t, the most reader of pdf is Slim PDF Reader |
| 19:27:25 | Bagder | Alchimysta: that's not helpful |
| 19:27:48 | Alchimysta | Excuse me -.-" |
| 19:27:57 | bertrik | It would have been nice if they would have chosen something else than simply 0 for the chip id, but I think we can implement at least basic detection with this. |
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| 19:30:11 | AlexP | Where are the buttons to boot the OF defined (clipplus)? |
| 19:30:52 | b0hoon | bertrik: ok, for me its: 01 01 01 01 2C, sometimes it reads 02 02 02 02 2C, Write: 80 00 00 5A 00 |
| 19:30:52 | AlexP | pixelma: Do you remember when before? |
| 19:32:00 | bertrik | b0hoon, hm, that's not consistent with the datasheet, is this on a stable target with working radio? |
| 19:32:43 | b0hoon | bertrik: no it is HDD6320 without the radio module |
| 19:33:01 | knittl | hi. the clock on my sansa e280v2 is too fast. could this be related to rockbox? i didn't notice it before using it |
| 19:33:40 | b0hoon | bertrik: just for comparing |
| 19:34:00 | tmzt | rtc? |
| 19:34:37 | gevaerts | AlexP: I think http://pastebin.com/UTKkSC47 should do it. It compiles, but I didn't test |
| 19:34:41 | bertrik | ok, thanks. I wonder if perhaps the fmradio_i2c_read call is failing and returning garbage data. |
| 19:34:54 | AlexP | gevaerts: cool, I'll test, cheers |
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| 19:35:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: And IIRC there's also the similar issue with FM radio detection on the HDD16x0 platform as well? |
| 19:35:44 | bertrik | I'm not sure if we have a rockbox-wide convention on the return value of fmradio_i2c_read, I'll have a look |
| 19:36:04 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i don't know i don't have one yet to test |
| 19:37:45 | bertrik | BTW, it's a bit silly that there are two I2C addresses defined for the TEA5767. The chip only has one. We probably need two in the tuner driver because the various i2c drivers in rockbox have different conventions about I2C addresses (with or without the R/W bit) |
| 19:38:10 | AlexP | gevaerts: What is this meant to be fixing? |
| 19:38:24 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: on my LCD there is a signature of the LCD controller or the model of the LCD: LPH9165-2 |
| 19:38:45 | gevaerts | AlexP: connecting USB while the plugin is running. |
| 19:39:06 | gevaerts | To be honest, I'm not convinced it's worth a backport, but... |
| 19:39:11 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: google finds it but where is the datasheet? :D |
| 19:39:12 | AlexP | gevaerts: I thought that, but I just tried without the patch on e200v1 and it goes to USb fine |
| 19:39:29 | AlexP | ah, this time it didn't |
| 19:39:36 | AlexP | It did work first time :) |
| 19:39:46 | gevaerts | AlexP: I didn't look at it in depth :) |
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| 19:40:06 | AlexP | I'm not convinced either |
| 19:40:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I have an HDD1630, but I need to repair it. |
| 19:41:34 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, b0hoon, shall I create a quick patch to implement tuner detection? |
| 19:42:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Sure. :) |
| 19:42:20 | b0hoon | bertrik: yes please. |
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| 19:59:03 | bertrik | LambdaCalculus37, b0hoon, can you check this patch http://pastebin.ca/1979788 for tea5767 detection? |
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| 20:00:38 | * | bertrik is a bit surprised this wasn't implemented already |
| 20:01:03 | bertrik | or maybe I'm overlooking something that prevents proper detection |
| 20:03:40 | bertrik | it adds 90 bytes to the hdd1630 binary |
| 20:07:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Can you post it to Flyspray? I have to leave. |
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| 20:10:22 | pixelma | AlexP: can't find it at the moment, maybe it was only talk about it in the forums |
| 20:11:34 | pixelma | bertrik: haven't looked at the patch at all but on the OndioFM there must be something too to tell the two tuners apart, one of which is also a common TEA the other a Samsung chip |
| 20:11:53 | bertrik | pixelma, I'll have a look at how it's done there |
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| 20:13:23 | amiconn | bertrik, pixelma: On Ondio we don't need to perform detection - just checking a bit in the hardware mask is enough |
| 20:13:42 | bertrik | ah ok |
| 20:14:39 | bertrik | I remember seeing something like that, but can't find it anymore |
| 20:14:51 | amiconn | That's something archos got right (except on the Player) - those targets have a hardware mask byte, and hardware variants can be distinguished by checking the mask bits |
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| 20:18:48 | bertrik | On the clip+, we have to detect either si470x or rda5802 and they are even at the same i2c address |
| 20:19:37 | pixelma | gevaerts: your line doesn't work, there is no such thing as HWCODEC, just MASxxxx |
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| 20:20:05 | pixelma | which means it would need to be written for all MAS types |
| 20:21:24 | gevaerts | hm, better to check for !SWCODEC then |
| 20:22:38 | pixelma | ok, trying |
| 20:23:36 | * | pixelma is glad to have done some testcompiling ;) |
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| 20:29:34 | amiconn | bertrik: firmware/export/hwcompat.h |
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| 20:31:17 | piggz | hi, is there a 3.7 release for ipodvideo-64mb ? |
| 20:32:34 | domonoky | piggz: the 64mb and 32mb version have been merged. So there is only one ipodvideo version for 3.7 now. |
| 20:32:42 | soap | the ipod video builds have been unified. Now the build autodetects 32 vs 64 |
| 20:33:28 | piggz | ok, the rockbox utility tries to download a 64m version which doesnt exist |
| 20:35:35 | bertrik | LamdaCalculus37, b0hoon, the patch is at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11714 |
| 20:35:40 | piggz | unless my utility is old |
| 20:36:06 | pixelma | piggz: just wanted to ask you about the exact Utility version |
| 20:36:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:36:47 | piggz | pixelma: 1.2.6 |
| 20:38:17 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility has 1.2.8 as download version |
| 20:39:13 | pixelma | the changelog mentions the Ipod Video builds for 1.2.8 |
| 20:39:36 | TheSeven | hm, is there a way to circumvent that "ipod patcher does not suport the 2nd generation nano!" bug? |
| 20:39:40 | piggz | pixelma: ok, np, i will update in a few mins |
| 20:40:28 | gevaerts | TheSeven: I guess we just need a new ipodpatcher release.. |
| 20:40:50 | TheSeven | how do i compile that for windows? |
| 20:41:11 | TheSeven | i have a user complaining about it in #freemyipod-support right now |
| 20:41:23 | gevaerts | mingw can do it |
| 20:41:29 | TheSeven | do you remember what triggered it and if it can be bypassed somehow? |
| 20:41:51 | gevaerts | There was some old leftover code |
| 20:41:55 | gevaerts | I think I removed it |
| 20:42:17 | gevaerts | r28178 |
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| 20:49:34 | TheSeven | hm, mingw fails |
| 20:49:58 | TheSeven | it's trying to execute "sh" from within a makefile and missing some files apparently |
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| 20:50:45 | piggz | + |
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| 20:58:15 | stacker55 | On the wiki page for the HDD6330 (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GoGearHDD6330?rev=27) the installation steps are posted for this device. The only thing missing there are the bootloaders. I had one on my machine, and like to help others who want to install RockBox on their HDD6320 / HDD6330 by provding the bootloader i used on my device. Can someone tell me where i can put the firmware.ebn file? Should i attach it to the wiki page, or is it bette |
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| 21:08:26 | wodz | stacker55: as there was a talk about promoting HDD6330 to unstable I think there will be official bootloader release soon |
| 21:09:00 | stacker55 | ah, well i can atest to it working nicely |
| 21:09:05 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28450): More plugin keymaps for the HDD6330. Quite a lot of commits. ;) |
| 21:10:47 | CIA-7 | r28450 build result: All green |
| 21:12:44 | stacker55 | it also means there is no need for the firmware file i used, right? |
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| 21:15:27 | wodz | pixelma: Can you look if this is ok for manual? http://www.sendspace.pl/file/5ce7c975f88fdb0250cf335 |
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| 21:16:20 | AlexP | wodz: What do you click on to download? I don't unerstand polish :) |
| 21:16:59 | AlexP | ah, just the filename |
| 21:17:44 | wodz | AlexP: Or round 'pobierz' button at the bottom |
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| 21:20:26 | pixelma | looks good |
| 21:20:43 | pixelma | is the "Volume Up / Down" a slider? |
| 21:21:47 | b0hoon | bertrik: it doesn't work for my HDD6330, HW is detected. :( |
| 21:22:15 | b0hoon | bertrik: for my HDD6320, sorry i'm tired |
| 21:22:21 | bertrik | are you sure it doesn't have a FM tuner chip? |
| 21:22:48 | b0hoon | bertrik: yes i'm sure :) |
| 21:23:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Works on my HDD6330; the FM radio hardware is detected. |
| 21:23:21 | stacker55 | if there's something i can test, let me know... (HDD6320 here) |
| 21:23:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | stacker55: Want to try this patch out? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11714 |
| 21:23:58 | b0hoon | bertrik: it has a module without the chip, the module is detachable |
| 21:24:01 | pixelma | wodz: and (I saw it before on pictures too) - the display looks a bit like a portrait one but the used area is square I think. that would mean you have different "borders" on top/bottom and left/right. Is that correct (seems weird to me but if the Mpio designers chose it this way...) |
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| 21:25:11 | stacker55 | i'll fire up my dev environment |
| 21:26:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | stacker55: Basically what we want is if you still see the FM radio on your main menu or not. |
| 21:27:15 | * | bertrik blames the PP i2c driver |
| 21:28:11 | bertrik | it doesn't give a clear indication of i2c error |
| 21:28:37 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28451): It has been confirmed that the Philips GoGear HDD6330 does ... |
| 21:29:37 | bertrik | I could preinitialise the i2c read buffer with all 0xFF, so it won't accidentally detect the chip id in an all 0x00 buffer |
| 21:29:51 | pixelma | LambdaCalculus37: I thought that would crash for you? |
| 21:30:09 | CIA-7 | r28451 build result: All green |
| 21:31:46 | pixelma | if it does I just see little sense to only set it back and forth all the time and I'd keep it at the low number as long as that works for everyone (even though it's a bit wasteful for others) until a better solution is found |
| 21:32:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: Actually, it was just a fluke thing. I tried building it again with 64MB and it does indeed work. My first build was just being goofy. |
| 21:33:03 | pixelma | aha |
| 21:34:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma: I built another build with 64MB earlier and managed to get through several albums without a single issue. So I figured that since it's working right on my HDD6330, then I should set it back to 64MB. |
| 21:37:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: I'm getting different registers for the FM radio with your patch applied. |
| 21:38:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Read - 17 FD 00 F0 2C; Write - 80 00 00 5A 00 |
| 21:39:02 | bertrik | I expect them to be different depending on the station tuned, etc. |
| 21:39:27 | bertrik | But the chip id bits still match the datasheet :) |
| 21:39:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | bertrik: Good. :) |
| 21:40:53 | pixelma | gevaerts: for some reason I can't make the line work, seems I'm overlooking something but somehow metronome will be included in an OndioFM sim, I'm very close to just get back to the original solution |
| 21:44:33 | b0hoon | pixelma: could you take a look at the new image: FS #11705, please? |
| 21:47:03 | pixelma | looking |
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| 21:48:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: They do look pretty good. |
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| 21:51:57 | pixelma | yes, I like it too. About the ordering the text a bit - these small tweaks can be done later |
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| 21:52:35 | pixelma | this GoGear 6330 seems to have a completely flat front. Lucky you :) |
| 21:53:12 | b0hoon | pixelma: i have a problem with that... what exactly? i don't have a talent :P |
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| 21:53:33 | gevaerts | pixelma: do you have a patch to start with? |
| 21:53:43 | b0hoon | pixelma: yes it's completely flat |
| 21:54:05 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: thanks ;) |
| 21:54:26 | pixelma | b0hoon: it was more meant as "Commit it. If it is in SVN someone else can have a look" |
| 21:54:32 | pixelma | :) |
| 21:55:02 | b0hoon | b0hoon: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 21:55:22 | * | b0hoon is stupid |
| 21:55:32 | b0hoon | pixelma: ^ |
| 21:55:43 | pixelma | gevaerts: one moment, I can only give you one with the line in the old style (I was a bit annoyed and wanted to have something working) |
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| 21:56:41 | Buschel | n1s: the beast uses an arm11 cpu? |
| 21:57:13 | pixelma | gevaerts: but it has the "move part outside the simulator if" |
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| 21:58:36 | pixelma | http://pastebin.com/qZLTZw9x |
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| 22:01:17 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28452): Optimize mpc's synthesis filter by reducing stalls for arm9 and above. Speed up ranges from 4% (nano 2g) to 11% (beast). |
| 22:01:27 | stacker55 | i seem to run into the problem that the VMWare image does not have an up to date arm11 compiler, nor will the toos/rockboxdev.sh script update it (it bugs with the message that it cannot detect the OS i'm using); will aptitude installing arm compilers bork the image ? |
| 22:03:44 | wodz | pixelma: mpio lcd has non square pixels |
| 22:03:48 | CIA-7 | r28452 build result: All green |
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| 22:04:51 | pixelma | wodz: interesting. A candidate for aspect ratio correction? :) |
| 22:05:14 | wodz | pixelma: and about volume up and down in mpio - it is kind of rocker you can press it from left side to decrease vol and on the right side to increase |
| 22:06:23 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28453): Using icode attribute for S5L870x is faster on some codecs. Speed up for mpc is ~3%, for aac ~1%. |
| 22:06:28 | pixelma | ok |
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| 22:07:45 | wodz | Correction wouldn't be that big I think |
| 22:08:05 | CIA-7 | r28453 build result: All green |
| 22:08:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | pixelma, b0hoon: I think that FS #10329 looks good as well. |
| 22:09:13 | b0hoon | b0hoon: ok, i will commit it. |
| 22:09:55 | pixelma | b0hoon: xou are speaking to yourself a lot today ;) |
| 22:10:03 | pixelma | *you |
| 22:10:44 | b0hoon | pixelma: i'm so tired my fingers are faster than my brain :/ |
| 22:11:20 | gevaerts | pixelma: that seems to work for me. I built a sim and normal build for Player and gigabeat f with it, and I got the metronome plugon for all of those except the Player sim |
| 22:13:01 | pixelma | yes, the patch as is works for me too but I wanted your "don't build if it is - hwcodec (or not swcodec) and sim -" style |
| 22:13:28 | pixelma | that would make the comment clearer |
| 22:13:41 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28454): Minor optimization of mpc codec via moving dewindowing asm to icode section for S5L870x. |
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| 22:15:23 | CIA-7 | r28454 build result: All green |
| 22:16:02 | CIA-7 | New commit by b0hoon (r28455): HDD1630: add small image made from SVG. FS #10329, Author: Marko Pahlke. |
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| 22:20:59 | CIA-7 | New commit by b0hoon (r28456): HDD6330: add small image made from SVG, FS #11705 by me. |
| 22:21:17 | pixelma | gevaerts: so, shall I just commit it as I have it now? |
| 22:21:25 | gevaerts | pixelma: sure |
| 22:21:46 | gevaerts | We can discuss this for ages, but all solutions are basically equivalent |
| 22:22:10 | pixelma | seeing today's, I guess you are right |
| 22:24:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | So no one objects to pushing the GoGear HDD1630 to Unstable? |
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| 22:30:22 | CIA-7 | New commit by pixelma (r28457): Enable building of metronome for hwcodec targets and swcodec sims which was accidentally disabled in r26114. Add a short comment. |
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| 22:31:49 | pixelma | b0hoon: was the commit of the images in the release branch? |
| 22:31:58 | CIA-7 | r28457 build result: All green |
| 22:32:45 | pixelma | can't see them there either but I wonder why they don't appear on the front page, maybe I'm blind |
| 22:33:25 | b0hoon | pixelma: no |
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| 22:34:08 | pixelma | ah, www |
| 22:34:21 | b0hoon | pixelma: because these targets are not promoted to unstable yet |
| 22:34:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I'm going to promote the HDD16x0 now. |
| 22:34:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: It works well enough to be classified as such. |
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| 22:36:10 | pixelma | commits to the www module don't show on the frontpage either. I only thought you committed SVGs too but those were just the small pictures used in the tables (current build etc.) |
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| 22:37:00 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: go ahead |
| 22:37:10 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28458): Promote the Philips GoGear HDD16x0 series to Unstable. |
| 22:37:20 | CIA-7 | New commit by pixelma (r28459): Backport r28457 - Enable building of metronome for hwcodec targets and swcodec sims which was accidentally disabled in r26114. Add a short comment. |
| 22:39:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ladies and gentlemen, we have our first Philips GoGear port promoted to Unstable! :) |
| 22:39:41 | Luca_S | \o/ congrats :D |
| 22:39:58 | b0hoon | pixelma: yes, i wonder now how to add the svg, png and the pdf. pdf and png will be binary but what with the svg (mime-type)? |
| 22:40:38 | pixelma | please binary too |
| 22:41:39 | b0hoon | pixelma: ok, thanks. |
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| 22:42:45 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: don't forget about tools/builds.pm -> status = 2 |
| 22:43:19 | TheSeven | Buschel: RE r28453: the 96/80kB core/codec IRAM split isn't really optimal. IIRC you could swap it around to give the codecs 96kB IRAM as the core won't use more anyway |
| 22:43:43 | TheSeven | with some tuning I managed to compile a build with 128kB codec IRAM like half a year ago |
| 22:43:45 | pixelma | b0hoon: it hasn't been done accurately for all but I tried to use the recommended mime-types |
| 22:45:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Doing that now and adding the HDD6330 to tools/builds.pm as well. |
| 22:47:01 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28460): Making sure that the HDD16x0 series is correctly reflected ... |
| 22:48:49 | CIA-7 | r28460 build result: All green |
| 22:49:11 | Luca_S | http://build.rockbox.org/ shows Internal Server Error... |
| 22:49:49 | gevaerts | Bagder: ^ |
| 22:50:19 | * | LambdaCalculus37 whistles innocently |
| 22:50:40 | * | Luca_S didn't see anything............. |
| 22:50:42 | pixelma | weird, it's the second page I see this on today |
| 22:51:54 | Bagder | any idea when it started? |
| 22:52:14 | Luca_S | a few minutes ago |
| 22:52:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I hope that wasn't from my commit. |
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| 22:55:47 | Bagder | hehe, it was |
| 22:56:01 | Bagder | me fix |
| 22:57:28 | Bagder | see line 60 of builds.pm ... |
| 22:58:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Oops. |
| 22:58:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | Fixed. |
| 22:58:22 | CIA-7 | New commit by bagder (r28461): fix: correct the perl syntax error ... |
| 22:59:21 | Bagder | of course it's not that good that the entire thing is that sensitive |
| 22:59:22 | * | pixelma points finger ;) |
| 22:59:27 | wodz | pixelma: any special way of creating pdf and png out of svg? |
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| 23:00:13 | CIA-7 | r28461 build result: All green |
| 23:00:24 | Bagder | site back alive! |
| 23:00:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Whew! |
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| 23:01:21 | pixelma | wodz: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#SVG_images so I don't have to type it all again |
| 23:01:42 | wodz | thx for link |
| 23:01:43 | * | Bagder crawls back into his cave |
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| 23:07:07 | Buschel | TheSeven: why was this 96/80 (S5L8701) or 64/64 (S5L8700) chosen? other cpu's use 48KB for core and the rest for codec |
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| 23:07:52 | TheSeven | IIRC because no codec would use more than 80kB anyway back then |
| 23:08:02 | fml_ | Do all SW_CODEC targets have the timestretch feature? Or do they have to have enough RAM? |
| 23:08:31 | Buschel | TheSeven: so, we could simply do the standard 48/x trick for both cpu's? |
| 23:09:00 | TheSeven | no idea about the 8700, but i guess the 8701 needs more than 48k for the core |
| 23:09:12 | TheSeven | remember that it uses 8k more stack than other targets |
| 23:12:16 | Buschel | let's see :) |
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| 23:14:24 | Buschel | it linked |
| 23:17:44 | Buschel | hmm, it also linked with 32KB of iram... must be something going wrong :/ |
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| 23:31:14 | wodz | What to do with OF package if official vendor (MPIO) site is down for long time? OF is needed to flash rb bootloader. |
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| 23:32:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: You don't have a copy of the OF? |
| 23:33:22 | wodz | I do |
| 23:33:46 | dt84 | After installing Rockbox on my Clip+, Ubuntu doesn't recogzines the player as "Sansa Clip+" (or whatever it said before), now it just written "1.9 GB Filesystem". Known issue? |
| 23:34:10 | Buschel | TheSeven: Is the IRAM size of the S5L8700 128 or 256KB? I see two different definitions |
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| 23:34:43 | Buschel | TheSeven: btw, 48KB are enough for core on S5L8701 |
| 23:34:46 | TheSeven | 176kB actually |
| 23:34:51 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: I am asking because in order to flash rb bootloader you have to have OF upgrade files which are not easy to find now. |
| 23:34:57 | TheSeven | and 256kB on the 8700 |
| 23:35:11 | Buschel | that was my question ;) |
| 23:35:15 | TheSeven | (which only seems to use 128kB for no apparent reason... unusable ports...) |
| 23:36:59 | Buschel | 128KB (208KB for S5L8700) is quite a lot :) This should help compensate for the crappy memory speed |
| 23:37:17 | Buschel | ...if used for codecs... |
| 23:40:34 | Buschel | TheSeven: http://pastie.org/1268044 |
| 23:41:09 | TheSeven | bertrik: is that ok? |
| 23:42:02 | bertrik | I have no idea, it's been too long since I looked at the s5l8700 memory map |
| 23:42:31 | TheSeven | i'm quite certain it's correct, but i'm not sure if there was a reason that you only used 128k on the meizus |
| 23:43:28 | Buschel | I will just add it to the tracker. so you can add any comments or results... |
| 23:43:50 | TheSeven | Buschel: I think you can just commit it if it builds ok |
| 23:44:15 | TheSeven | even if it breaks the meizus it won't hurt much |
| 23:44:32 | TheSeven | i don't think anyone has looked at that port during the last six months |
| 23:45:34 | bertrik | My last serious compile was in june for the meizu M6SP just before devcon |
| 23:46:08 | TheSeven | what's the state of the s5l8700 targets btw? |
| 23:46:20 | TheSeven | did you figure out the lcd driver? |
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| 23:47:41 | bertrik | meizu m3: simple bootloader demo works, meizu m6sp: I can display a logo but then it hangs ,samsung yp-s3: a lot of stuff works (lcd, buttons, radio, rtc)but not file access |
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| 23:50:14 | CIA-7 | New commit by alle (r28462): Manual: make the presence of the timestretch menu description depend on the right condition (pitchscreen instead of just swcodec) |
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| 23:51:11 | * | Buschel compiles meizum3 |
| 23:51:41 | bertrik | Linux checks a couple of more things to detect a tea5767: 1) tuner registers should not be all the same 2) also check 5th byte in addition to chipid in 4th byte |
| 23:51:55 | CIA-7 | r28462 build result: All green |
| 23:51:56 | bertrik | Unfortunately the PP i2c can only transfer 4 bytes |
| 23:52:28 | bertrik | And you can't really tell if the i2c transfer was ACKed or not, as far as I can tell |
| 23:53:35 | wodz | bertrik: doesn't PP i2c transfer any number of bytes but the buffer is 4bytes big? |
| 23:54:00 | bertrik | I don't know, there is no doc as far as I know |
| 23:54:43 | Buschel | betrik: meizu-m3 does not compile anymore... this is not due to the iram config changes... I'll just submit the patch |
| 23:56:33 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28463): Reconfigure IRAM for S5L870x. S5L8700 has 256 KB of IRAM, use a 48 KB / 208 KB split for core/codec. S5L8701 has 176 KB of IRAM, use a 48 KB / 128 KB ... |
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