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#rockbox log for 2010-11-03

00:00:35Buschelneed to get some sleep now, good night!
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00:02:25pixelmafml: I believe this is still wrong, hwcodec has a pitchscreen too but no timestretch (have to check for if the feature is defined or not though(
00:02:58dfkthow does one 'un-initialize' the database on a player - just by deleting all the database* files in the .rockbox folder?
00:05:43bertrikyes, I think that should work
00:06:28dfktthanks bertrik, yes, it worked
00:06:32CIA-7New commit by b0hoon (r28464): Manual: add images for the Philips Gogear HDD1630 (FS #10329), Author: Marko Pahlke.
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00:13:32CIA-7New commit by b0hoon (r28465): Manual: add images for the Philips Gogear HDD6330, FS #11705 by me.
00:15:10CIA-7r28465 build result: All green
00:18:44CIA-7New commit by rmenes (r28466): Still coming along with HDD6330 plugin keymaps.
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02:50:00Ra1nbowI'm trying to install rockbox on my 1st generation 2GB iPod nano, i've followed the instructions on the website for both the automatic and the manual installation and nothing seems to be working
02:51:21Ra1nbowoh dear, what have I done... anyone know what iPod Diagnostics is?
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02:53:52Ra1nbowusually it'll say "Can't load rockbox.ipod"
02:56:04Ra1nbowalso the Rockbox Utility seems to think that it's a normal 1st gen ipod, but i know it's a nano
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03:04:32JdGordon|Ra1nbow: did you extract or just do the bootloader install?
03:04:59JdGordon|if rockbox util thinks it is wrong you need to force it to the right model or it will install the wrong bits
03:05:01Ra1nbowJdGordon|: I've tried lots of things, both of those included
03:05:10JdGordon|manual install?
03:05:26Ra1nbowwell, it won't let me do anything to my iPod anymore
03:05:40JdGordon|got itunes?
03:05:46Ra1nbownot on this computer
03:05:50Ra1nbowi'm using Ubuntu
03:06:06JdGordon|there is restore instructions for linux on the wiki iirc
03:06:11Ra1nbowI've managed to get it to boot into the default OS and all my music is there
03:06:19JdGordon|get back to apple os only and do a manual install
03:06:27LloreanIf your iPod's read-only, that suggests something else is wrong before Rockbox.
03:06:41Ra1nbowwell, it managed to install the wrong version before
03:06:49Ra1nbowbut now i can't manually delete files
03:06:55Ra1nbowwhereas I could before
03:07:08Ra1nbowjust open it up in a file browser and hit delete
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03:07:32LloreanIf Rockbox isn't installed, it means you're still using the Apple Disk Mode, which means no part of Rockbox is running at the time you're trying to delete files.
03:07:46LloreanWhich probably means disk errors (which could also affect its ability to find rockbox.ipod and load it)
03:07:58Ra1nbowoh that's another thing...
03:08:16Ra1nbowbrowsing the ipod files, rockbox.ipod isn't there
03:08:23Ra1nbowhas never been there
03:08:58LloreanIf you didn't get any errors during installation, and Rockbox.ipod isn't there, you didn't complete all of installation.
03:09:36LloreanYou should probably do like JdGordon| suggested and restore your iPod to a "clean" state, and then check the disk
03:09:48Ra1nbowright now the iPod has an empty .rockbox folder and RockboxUtility.exe and RockbockUtility.ini
03:09:58Ra1nbowand of course all the default stuff
03:10:28Ra1nbowyeah, i'll plug the iPod into a windows pc tomorrow then
03:10:40Ra1nbowit's kinda late right now... another contributing factor to my failure
03:14:40S_a_i_n_tyou do know you don't have to run RockboxUtility.exe from the device....yes?
03:15:36Ra1nbowI'll try again tomorrow
03:16:16S_a_i_n_tthe fact that it's now read only suggests you have some filesystem corruption
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03:17:12Ra1nbowwell, i'll just reset it with iTunes tomorrow and have another stab in the dark
03:17:22Ra1nbowi've never ever ever done anything like this before, lol
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03:17:39LloreanIt should be extremely trivial
03:18:03LloreanI've got a 1st generation Nano and when it's in good working order, the utility will auto detect it and install everything for you with just a couple clicks.
03:18:10LloreanIt worked for me just 2 or 3 days ago.
03:18:42Ra1nbowindeed, i thought it would be trivial
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03:19:12Ra1nbowbut auto-detect thought that it was just a normal iPod
03:19:14Ra1nbownot a nano
03:19:29Ra1nbowso it keeps whining and insisting that it's not a nano
03:19:51Ra1nbowlike I said, i'll plug it into itunes and try again
03:19:55Ra1nbowtomorrow though
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03:21:29LloreanThe auto-detect works really well. If there's some reason it thinks it's not a Nano, that would be something worth looking into, since the ways the iPods are identified have been extremely reliable for years now.
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03:22:49Ra1nbowtomorrow i'll hopefully have more luck
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03:27:54Ra1nbowanyway, i need me some sleep... 'night
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03:45:56CIA-7New commit by rmenes (r28467): These should be the last of the plugin keymaps required ...
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03:54:42DriseS_a_i_n_t: Rockbox: Done!
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03:59:29DriseNow that my toolchains are built, how to I patch files, and build them?
04:00:22CIA-7New commit by rmenes (r28469): Another "keep the reds away" fix.
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04:18:47LambdaCalculus37I'm glad I didn't enable plugins on the HDD6330 straight away. :)
04:19:03LambdaCalculus37There's a few errors I need to get fixed up.
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04:19:38factornice rockbox 3.7 just released
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04:23:17CIA-7New commit by rmenes (r28470): Okay, this should be the last few "prevent red" fixes to be ...
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04:36:32CIA-7New commit by rmenes (r28471): Looks like HDD6330 plugins build green, so enable plugins.
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04:41:25LambdaCalculus37Hmmm, I may have to rethink a few of the plugin keymaps out a bit more. Some of them are a little funky on the HDD6330's touchpad.
04:42:01LambdaCalculus37b0hoon: (for the logs) Try out the plugins on your HDD6320 and tell me if you think we need to redo some of the keymaps.
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07:27:09TheBarron2what's a good m3u editor?
07:28:05TheBarron2And what's the best way to delete the music out of the shit database now that I've rockboxed and can put the music on there in a sane file structure
07:30:24LloreanI would imagine any file browser can manage to delete songs, but given that you haven't told people what player you're using it's unlikely anyone can give better advice.
07:30:44LloreanAs for "good" M3U editors - take your pick, there's a million programs that use them, and preferred PC software is really out of the scope of this channel anyway.
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07:32:34TheBarron2ipod video
07:32:55jngdweHi, I have a question for anyone thats here. Are there any 3rd party plugins for rockbox?
07:33:09LloreanTheBarron2: Then yes, you can just delete the folder containing the songs.
07:33:56Lloreanjngdwe: We include basically any plugins submitted to us in a good enough state, generally speaking. You'd have to use Google to see if you could find third party ones, and they're unlikely to work unless they've been maintained and happen to be specifically for the same player you're using
07:34:07TheBarron2uhm.. what folder are you referring to? All the music that was previously in there is iPod-ized.. granted, don't know much about ipod structure so maybe it's obvious..
07:34:22jngdweThanks Llorean.
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07:34:38LloreanTheBarron2: I'm not sure its name. ipod_control I think
07:34:41jngdweSad to hear that )=, I wish rockbox had some sort of app database.
07:34:49TheBarron2ah right
07:35:00TheBarron2ok, thanks
07:35:04Lloreanjngdwe: What benefit would that have, if there aren't any apps?
07:35:25jngdweIf there were apps, I meant.
07:35:40LloreanIf there were apps you probably wouldn't need one, because they'd be included...
07:36:09jngdweWell at some point I'm sure it would start to take up more memory to just include every plugin.
07:36:18jngdwetoo much memory, excuse me.
07:36:39LloreanThey take up storage, but not RAM.
07:37:00jngdweThe storage is what i'de be concerned with. But I suppose it really isn't a problem with newer players.
07:37:03LloreanAnd most are relatively tiny. So it's not even close to a problem so far.
07:37:28LloreanBesides, you can always delete them, and if it becomes a problem in the future, it'll probably be added as a feature to rbutil to exclude specific plugins.
07:37:50jngdweOhwell, a man can dream!
07:38:04jngdweWoot at the successful usb charging on my Sansa e250v2
07:38:39jngdweI just updated to 3.7 =D
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07:52:04confusedanyone able to play slot radio cards on rockboxed sansa c240?
07:53:03LloreanI wouldn't expect them to work.
07:54:05confusedI read a few chat post that folks said they used them on a sansa c240 with rockbox but now I have installed cant figure out how to play
07:54:32LloreanThere's no reason they should work on any Rockbox player. DRM isn't supported.
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07:55:13confusedOk thanks I must have misunderstood
07:56:31confusedso next question I installed rockbox but seemed to have lost all the music and photos loaded on prior to install...normal??
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07:57:07S_a_i_n_tthe should still be visible to the OF
07:58:08confusedit is strange there were only 7 files of the 149 loaded originaly and no photos of the 20 or so
08:00:44confusedhow much space does rockbox take up because 1 gig player says it is near full but can find the original files
08:01:23S_a_i_n_t~50MB (f you installed all additional files)
08:01:38S_a_i_n_tIn other words, shit all.
08:02:28confusedHmm what is OF I tied using file viewer and tried to update data base but it only sees the 7 audio files loaded in systems folder
08:02:48S_a_i_n_t"original Firmware"
08:03:00confusedyea that is nothing so the original files must still be there somewhere
08:03:44confusedOh ok so if i boot to original they will be there but cant get to them with rockbox?
08:04:35confusedthanks by the way great info
08:06:00confuseddo you think If I boot to original firmware and move files to systems folder I could then see them form rockbox?
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08:09:36confusedthanks again
08:09:40y4nRockboxed my Clip+ yesterday. I'm impressed :)
08:09:52*y4n clicks the donate button
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08:51:50Bagderor should I say snowy...
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09:58:30n1sok, so with an atrocious hack a profile build on h300 (built with gcc 4.4.4) boots up fine but hangs as soon as music playback is started even though no files are actually compiled with -finstrument-functions and no profiling functions except those in switch_thread are called
09:59:57n1shmm, no, it hangs on some tracks/codecs others give codec failure...
10:01:58y4nHow do I go back to the default theme (Clip+)?
10:02:19n1sselect it in the theme browser
10:02:27n1scalled cabbiev2
10:02:31y4nah thanks
10:10:37n1shmm, my hack isn't correct, that's probably why this happens...
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10:20:46n1sah, better hack seems to work
10:23:39y4nomg Frotz on my Clip+?
10:23:43y4nhah that's amazing :)
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10:25:41n1shmm, profiling + testcodec doesn't work but profiling during regular playback seems to
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10:30:54n1sit freezes halfway through the track O_o
10:33:32n1sdifferent bitrate of that test track freezes in the same position...
10:34:21TheSevenwhat about a different track? is it just the time? :)
10:34:39n1stesting different tracks now
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10:37:00n1syeah, all tracks freeze between 92 and 94 seconds
10:37:35n1snow i need to find a shorter one
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10:52:39CIA-7New commit by alex (r28472): Backport r28462 - Manual: make the presence of the timestretch menu description depend on the right condition (pitchscreen instead of just swcodec)
10:57:21n1sprofiling shorter tracks seems to work but the log contains a "Profiling exited with an error. Overflow or timer stolen most likely." message
10:57:43n1swhich isn't there with a build made with the old gcc
10:58:33TheSevenyou mentioned that it needs some hack to even boot. what kind of hack was that? i.e. what did the new compiler break? could this somehow also cause this part of the problem?
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11:00:53n1sswitch_thread saved the wrong stack pointer when profiling was enabled because the call to the profile_thread_stopped pushed an arg on the stack and then the sp was saved before being incremented again but my current hack seems to fix that although maybe i should test it a little more
11:03:47n1sah, it overflows the profiling buffer
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11:09:00pixelmaAlexP: I'd have waited to backport that one, it's still not correct
11:09:32AlexPoh, I just assumed it was
11:09:47AlexPOtherwise (so went my thinking), he wouldn't have committed it
11:10:06AlexPand without checking it didn't look obviously wrong to me
11:10:12AlexPpixelma: What should it be?
11:12:37n1sit creates several entries for the same address, that's why it overflows the buffer
11:13:29pixelmaAlexP: it should be inside another swcodec probably, need to check. I just know that while the bitmapped Archoses have adjustable pitch, they don't have timestretch. He told me privately that he used it because in the C code the setting was used for "pitchscreen" - maybe it's been overlooked that this inside a swcodec part - or maybe even the lang files are wrong there
11:14:13AlexPSo he knows it is wrong?
11:14:44pixelmaI mentioned the same here yesterday night after the commit and he read logs
11:14:59AlexPI wish he'd come on IRC
11:15:40AlexPAnyway, if you are going to investigate, would ytou mind fixing both at the same time? :)
11:15:52pixelmayeah me too, he said he wasn't able today
11:16:06pixelmaand another yes... you made me ;)
11:16:14AlexPthanks :)
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11:25:10Stummiis funman still active anywhere on the rockbox-community?
11:26:18n1shaven't seen him for a while
11:27:32n1shmm, removing the special casing for coldfire in the codec lib __cyg_profile_func_enter seems to fix profilin
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11:32:42n1sdecode_packed_block seems to be the major culprit in the vorbis slowdown if this is correct
11:38:59pixelmaAlexP: english.lang includes the "timestretch" strings based on the "swcodec" feature. I wonder if there are any swcodec targets that don't have timestretch?
11:39:23pixelmaI could only imagine a low mem problem if at all
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11:45:38JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: ping?
11:56:39JdGordonanyone mind if I enable -g on the checkwps build command?
11:59:35n1sJdGordon: it isn't speed critical or anything, is it?
12:00:15JdGordonnot at all
12:00:50n1sthen go ahead, easier debugging is always welcome
12:07:00JdGordonwhen was 3.7 branched? which revision?
12:08:26n1shmm, that function is twice as big when compiled with gcc 4.4.4
12:08:38n1smaybe sticking it in iram will help
12:08:49*JdGordon guesses AlexP might know :)
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12:10:54JdGordonAlexP: can you do that last checkin in the 3.7 branch please? thats a slightly nasty bug in a little used feature
12:12:38AlexPSure, as is?
12:12:59JdGordonyeah, the checkwps.make change isnt needed
12:13:06AlexPpixelma: I think someone needs to check the code to be sure here :)
12:13:35JdGordonbefore you do.. let me just tripple check this :)
12:14:14AlexPSure :)
12:14:58JdGordonyeah, good to go :)
12:15:14JdGordonnow for some android hacking I think
12:16:55n1snope, iram doesn't help...
12:19:45AlexPJdGordon: I'm not finding that part of the file in the 3.7 branch - can you point me at the line here:
12:21:31JdGordonah, hmm, I must have misread the branch rev
12:21:40JdGordonnever mind then :)
12:21:45AlexP3.7 branch was 28309
12:21:48AlexPOK :)
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12:28:12pixelmaAlexP: in settings.h I can find timestretch_enabled in a HAVE_PITCHSCREEN inside an swcodec block. HAVE_PITCHSCREEN is defined in the target's config files and all but the Player and some unfinished ports define it (ifp, lyreproto and the View)
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12:29:15JdGordonI want to put some of the checkwps debugging output into the rockbox bin (enough so it says which line and char the error is on).. how small delta would that need to be to be worth keeping?
12:31:13pixelmaAlexP: fml just send me a mail in which he confirms and asks me if I could fix. The most correct and always true way would be to use both (pitchscreen opt inside an swcodec opt) but as far as I can see the swcodec one would do. What do you think?
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12:37:42AlexPpixelma: I think it is probably wise to mirror the code, even if it seems not necessary right now
12:37:56AlexPYou never know in the future when it'll bite us :)
12:38:41pixelmaTrue. It would also be only a simple revert otherwise ;)
12:38:55AlexPhehe :)
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12:39:57kugelpixelma: i think there were some commits recently to make HAVE_PTICHSCREEN actually optional. timestrech definitely needs pitchscreen
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12:41:23pixelmathat won't be in an official manual though :)
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12:55:37kugelZagor: did you see the patch?
12:55:44kugelfor the scroll threshold
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13:05:18Zagorkugel: fs?
13:05:28Zagoror did you commit?
13:05:42kugelneither, I put it on pastie yesterday
13:05:56Zagoroh, no I didn't see that
13:05:58kugeli didn't implement it on the other touchscreens so i didn't bother with fs yet
13:08:02kugelit also fixes the context menu so that it pops up directly
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13:12:13JdGordonwhat do we want to do about the back button when we are in the main menu?
13:12:38JdGordon<- os or leave it for rb to do nothing with?
13:13:15kugelhave you looked at my yesno dialog patches?
13:13:47JdGordonnot yet
13:14:39kugelI think we want to leave to the OS if it's pressed in the main menu
13:15:14BagderI think so too
13:15:17kugelor perhaps if it's pressed twice in a row like on astro filemanager
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13:16:07JdGordonthat might be more doable
13:16:19JdGordoncertainyl less work
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13:17:28JdGordonhow do we make the yesno and keyboard not slide the rockobx View away?
13:17:34JdGordonor display the rb logo under it?
13:18:57JdGordonastro returns to the os once you are in /
13:19:11kugelI don't know exactly, but the sdk talks about view hierarchies in some places
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13:20:26kugelmaybe you need to make the view where the yesno dialog is in a child of the RockboxFramebuffer view. that's just a guess though
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13:26:55giovanni_hey there :-)
13:27:25giovanni_who is Purlin Nayuki?
13:27:47Bagderwelcome to #rockbox where we talk rockbox
13:28:14giovanni_I would like to speak with him about the recently commit in the wiki page of onda vx7x7
13:28:31BagderI'm not aware of him/her being on IRC
13:29:16giovanni_ok, he wrote that Rockbox cannot display correctly on VX777 but that's no true
13:29:16AlexPI vaguely remember the name
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13:30:57AlexPHe's in CREDITS too
13:31:33giovanni_and he wrote about a newer boot loader and I can't understand what he's talking about... any mail address? I couldn't find it
13:33:14LambdaCalculus37stacker55: Ping, I forgot to ask you how your test of FS #11714 went last night.
13:33:37*JdGordon loves 5 line patches
13:33:57JdGordonwho has a better name than android_ignore_back_button() to tell the os to handle the button?
13:34:06JdGordonthis is a apps->firmware call
13:38:23Zagordoes it make sense to abstract it away to something like "is_in_root_level" ?
13:38:55Zagoror main_menu
13:40:34JdGordonI dunno...
13:40:53JdGordonlooks like the button/touch handling has broken again
13:41:12Zagorthat would not make it so locked to this specific android fix
13:41:34Zagorgevaerts: can you do benchmark builds for the hdd6330 targets?
13:41:50gevaertsZagor: I'll do a full benchmark set soon
13:42:33LambdaCalculus37Zagor: How long does the front page take to refresh after an update?
13:42:47JdGordonWould anything else want to know if we are in the top menu or not? I can understand a finer level of knowing which screen we are in, but a yes/no for root seems a bit pointless for others
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13:43:01ZagorLambdaCalculus37: it runs a cron job every minute
13:44:08LambdaCalculus37Zagor: That's odd, then. I added the GoGear HDD16x0 to Unstable with r28458 but it's still not showing up on the front page as such.
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13:44:40wodzLambdaCalculus37: ping
13:44:52LambdaCalculus37wodz: Pong
13:45:10gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: svn changes require pinging a Swede IIRC
13:45:12ZagorLambdaCalculus37: oh, *that* front page :-) that is not done automatically at all. you need to ping me or bagder.
13:45:24ZagorI thought you meant the svn table
13:45:29wodzhave you tried build with FS #11712 on your archos?
13:45:46LambdaCalculus37wodz: Yes. It looks good on my Archos as well.
13:45:59ZagorLambdaCalculus37: done
13:46:04wodzis it player or recorder?
13:46:19LambdaCalculus37wodz: Recorder v1.
13:46:30LambdaCalculus37Zagor: \o/
13:46:55wodzwell that means I am still looking for volunteer with player/studio
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13:47:28JdGordonZagor: holding down back in the tree will shoot past the main menu and get to the os.. do we want that?
13:47:33JdGordonworking around that is going to be fiddly
13:47:50LambdaCalculus37Zagor: I'm going to promote the HDD6330 to Unstable later on as well today. Although the LCD refresh is a bit slow and some of the plugins suffer as a result, audio playback, recording, and FM radio work well enough that it can be considered usable for daily use.
13:48:20ZagorJdGordon: I'd say that is unexpected and hence undesired.
13:48:38kugelJdGordon: needing to press it twice in a row would make that easier to handle I think?
13:48:42JdGordonI agree.. but don't really want to fix the code :p
13:49:04Zagordo we really need to support back|repeat out of menus?
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13:49:21LambdaCalculus37wodz: Sadly I can't help there. I had to cannibalize my JB5000 for the hard drive to repair an old computer, and I have to find a spare hard drive for it.
13:49:56kugelJdGordon: is there a specific context just for the main menu? if yes then the action code could handle it, it knows better about button states
13:51:47kugelwhat is CONTEXT_MAINMENU?
13:52:00JdGordonunused probably
13:52:15kugelgrep says no
13:52:50kugelseems to be used for all menus created with do_menu()
13:55:49kugelbut do_menu() knows when it's in the main menu, perhaps you could put the code there
13:56:28JdGordonthats a bit more nasty than in root_menu()
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14:02:56JdGordongrr... something broke the View focus and now you once again have to use the ball to gives the view focus before the hardware buttons are sent to rockbox
14:05:22kugelit works with a build 50 revisions ago
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14:08:20JdGordonI think we need a very small queue in the android button driver... apparently the press/unpress can happen in the time of a single tick (which is why we were missing them before) but that makes actually waiting on longer presses difficult
14:08:29JdGordonthat = the way we handle that issue
14:09:20kugelare you sure that's possible?
14:10:04JdGordonnot 100% sure
14:10:04kugelthat's a theoretical problem on all of our targets but 10ms were always fine-grained enough so that it wasn't a problem in practice, android shouldn't be different in that regard
14:10:42kugelhm, but maybe with the track ball it could beome a track ball, I don't know how android fires the up and down events for it
14:11:55kugeli thought we were missing them because the view was not focussed?
14:13:26JdGordonyes, almost all the press/unpresses are happning in the same tick
14:14:14kugeleven with e.g. the menu button?
14:14:23kugeli can't really believe that. and it works fine for me
14:14:56JdGordonI'm going to add a dead simple fifo and see if that makes things better
14:15:31JdGordon the last number is the tick
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14:17:01kugelwhat button is that?
14:17:37wodzwhen I was testing time response for simple push switch in one of my project I found it hard to press for shorter than ~100ms
14:17:49JdGordonthe ball
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14:18:43kugeldirectional or middle press?
14:18:58kugelah, as I said I can imagine for the ball (directional) that works differently, I don't know what android does there
14:19:02JdGordondirection, hardware buttons seems to be ok, but they arent being used
14:19:18kugelbut as repeat events aren't possible with it anyway we could simply only listen to UP events
14:19:52kugellike done with the multimedia keys (where I know from cyanogenmod that UP and DOWN are fired without delay between)
14:21:45JdGordonyeah, that would work
14:23:04PurlingNayukiI'm using Onda VX747. I updated to the newest daily build, but after that when I tried to play musics it returns TLB Exception...
14:23:39AlexPgiovanni_: ^^^^
14:24:20giovanni_Hi PurlingNayuki
14:24:33giovanni_I've seen you've edited the vx7x7 wiki
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14:25:05giovanni_You've wrote that Rockbox cannot display correctly on VX777 but that's no true
14:25:50PurlingNayukiI don't know, but I've got many reports like this...
14:26:07PurlingNayukiOK, I'll edit it as 'some VX777s' .
14:26:55giovanni_no, it runs correctly
14:27:02giovanni_on all vx777
14:27:22Zagorgiovanni_: how can you claim that?
14:27:41PurlingNayukiBut look at the pictures.
14:28:14PurlingNayukigiovanni_: Which build of Rockbox you're using?
14:29:15giovanni_the photo you place in the wiki, it happens when you build the boot loader without define USB_BOOT in autoconf.h
14:29:59Zagorgiovanni_: good answer :-)
14:30:25giovanni_I remember a guy in the forums having the same problem
14:31:55PurlingNayukiThanks, I'll check it after my midterm exam.
14:32:09giovanni_ok :D
14:32:53giovanni_instead this, I can't get the OF boot
14:33:02giovanni_no dual boot here
14:33:55PurlingNayukiNo dual-boot?
14:34:15giovanni_No, I can use only rockbox
14:34:32giovanni_and, well, it's not a big problem
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14:35:39PurlingNayukiWell, it's not a problem for me either. But many people on my forum use the OF...
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14:42:38PurlingNayukigiovanni_: I'm still wondering what build of Rockbox you're using?
14:42:56giovanni_One of the latest build
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14:44:02giovanni_dual boot maybe works only on the vx747?
14:44:08wodzpixelma: ping
14:47:04PurlingNayukigiovanni_: Can you play musics on the latest build? I just got a 'TLB Exception'.
14:47:20giovanni_yes, I'm testing it right now
14:47:48PurlingNayukiBTW: giovanni_: BTW, do you have Gmail?
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14:48:33PurlingNayukiPlease add me in gmail.
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14:49:06giovanni_I need your address
14:49:25PurlingNayukiOh, it's in my Wiki profile.
14:52:22JdGordonAAAARRRRRRRR looks like it might have been a keymap problem the whole time instead of a driver one
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14:55:18LambdaCalculus37giovanni_, PurlingNayuki: If you guys need to speak in private, you can PM each other.
14:56:58PurlingNayukiMy Gmail is
14:57:29LambdaCalculus37PurlingNayuki: I don't think that's the sort of information you want to put on an IRC channel with a log. Just letting you know. ;)
14:59:19UtchybannTheSeven: on nano2g (r28451), when plugging an usb cable while holding the menu button, the sound freeze and/or seems to play /dev/random. It used to work fine a few month ago.
14:59:58UtchybannTheSeven: sorry, I don't have a more precise release that still work fine.
15:00:54*TheSeven will have a check
15:01:21PurlingNayukiLambdaCalculus37: No problem. I have many other e-mail address.
15:01:38PurlingNayuki LambdaCalculus37: Thanks for your notify.
15:02:23UtchybannTheSeven: thanks. If you need more info, just ask.
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15:05:56LambdaCalculus37Zagor, Bagder: In a few minutes, I'm going to go promote the GoGear HDD63x0 series to Unstable as well. Once I do that, I'll let you guys know so you can update the front page.
15:07:35JdGordonAlexP: Umm... where are users supposed to discuss issues if not in the new ports thread?
15:07:56JdGordonit isnt unstable so it doesnt go in the main forum, but it needs to go somewhere
15:08:13AlexPThey aren't
15:08:29AlexPIf it is stable enough that we do support, it should be in the main forum
15:08:42AlexPNew Ports is and always has been for development only
15:08:56LambdaCalculus37AlexP: Yes, and I've already locked the thread for the HDD16x0 since it's now Unstable.
15:08:56AlexPWe can of course discuss changing that
15:08:57PurlingNayukiA good rule, isn't it?
15:09:05AlexPBut currently it is that
15:09:14LambdaCalculus37AlexP: Actually, we need a new subforum for Manual Installation on the GoGear series.
15:09:23JdGordonthen android should be unstable
15:09:24JdGordonat the very least
15:09:31AlexPOK, cool
15:09:38AlexPI have no knowledge of where it is
15:09:48PurlingNayukiBTW, can anyone set Onda VX747 as unstable?
15:09:49AlexPLambdaCalculus37: You need scorche for that
15:10:17LambdaCalculus37AlexP: I'll get his attention then.
15:10:41JdGordonPurlingNayuki: the onda VX747 had a change 2 days ago which prohibits it going up to unstable...
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15:11:42PurlingNayukiWhat is it?
15:11:51giovanni_PurlingNayuki: I've added you to gmail.
15:12:06PurlingNayukiI see.
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15:14:13PurlingNayukiI gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye.
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15:14:20PurlingNayukiI gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye.
15:14:24DBUGEnqueued KICK PurlingNayuki
15:14:24PurlingNayukiI gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye.
15:14:32PurlingNayukiI gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye.
15:15:26AlexPPurlingNayuki: I think we got it :)
15:15:27JdGordonZagor: I have back working perfectly but the dpad directions are totoally broken :(
15:15:34JdGordonI cant figure out how to make the button tick handle buttons which dont have any time between the press and unpress
15:15:34JdGordonaction.c will ignore buttons when changing screens untill a BUTTON_REL comes in
15:15:45TheSevenUtchybann: i can reproduce it, but can't think of a possible target-dependent reason.
15:15:53TheSevenis this kind of thing happening on other targets as well?
15:16:05AlexPJdGordon: Does android meet ?
15:16:26AlexPIf not I guess it is just that someone needs to write some instructions on the wiki
15:16:48JdGordonseen as the last 4 points arnet relevant
15:17:18AlexPInstall isn't relevant?
15:17:42AlexPOr just that all android apps install the same way
15:18:15Bagderit could be mentioned as long as people don't do it from the market
15:18:24TheSevencan one try to reproduce that bug (playback freezing or garbled when plugging in usb in charging mode) on a different target?
15:18:32AlexPJdGordon: And why isn't a page explaining the state of the port relevant?
15:18:38JdGordonwell it isnt on the market yet, installing is download the apk and run it
15:18:57AlexPDo we provide apk builds?
15:19:00JdGordonbecause I'm asleep and missed that point (which is covered anyway)
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15:20:07AlexPOK, well if you chaps who work on it/use it feel it is unstable then great - promote it and ask scorche for an installation sub forum
15:21:10n1sgcc 4.5.1 works fine for coldfire too
15:21:33LambdaCalculus37AlexP: Speaking of installation sub forums, I've noticed that we don't have one for Samsung devices, either!
15:21:43LambdaCalculus37Looks like scorche's got some work to do. ;)
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15:26:09JdGordonandroid really doesnt need a install sub forum :p
15:26:20AlexPno, true
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15:26:43*gevaerts doubts that
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15:26:58AlexPIt could maybe do with a compiling/installing one though
15:27:00n1s4.5 actually produces somewhat smaller code than 3.4 too in contrast of 4.4 which produces larger code vorbis is still slower than 3.4 though :/
15:27:10AlexPhow much?
15:27:56n1s~2MHz for a 128k file, so not terribly but it sucks because it's my main codec
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15:29:51TheSevenwhat are they actually doing differently?
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15:31:16UtchybannTheSeven: I will try to reproduce it on my mini2g tonight.
15:31:21JdGordoncan we change the menu button to be back to wps instead of context menu?
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15:39:32LambdaCalculus3_Zagor, Bagder: Ping, just updated www/index.t again. The GoGear HDD63x0 series is officially Unstable now.
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15:49:08stacker55LambdaCalculus37: i had/have to upgrade the vmware environment because it does not have the arm-elf compilers needed, and the update chain for aptitude is a bit foobarred, so i haven't been able to test yet.
15:50:40ZagorLambdaCalculus37: updated
15:50:47LambdaCalculus37Zagor: Many thanks. :)
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17:10:39Ra1nbowI finally got rockbox to work... had to reformat my entire ipod
17:10:53Ra1nbowbut it is working perfect and is completely and utterly awesome
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17:15:02StummiRa1nbow, congratulations :)
17:15:20Ra1nbowStummi: I managed to do it over lunch, lol
17:15:30Ra1nbowthese things are always much easier on Windows >.>
17:15:51Ra1nbowanyway, i've been having fun playing about with it
17:16:00StummiHm, for me its easier on GNU/Linux
17:16:22Ra1nbowStummi: Ubuntu never bothered to tell me that my iPod was corrupt and needed a format
17:16:32Ra1nbowif it had then I'd have done it in 5 minutes, lol
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17:19:30Ra1nbowalso I have a funny feeling that I'm getting a lot more music crammed onto my iPod now
17:19:42Ra1nbow.ogg must be smaller than .m4a
17:19:57n1sRa1nbow: depends on the bitrate but please, this is off topic
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17:36:00y4nCan I transfer files to Clip+ while Rockbox is on?
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17:54:35dfkty4n, there is no USB support for the clip+ yet
17:54:42AlexPy4n: Boot the OF for now
17:54:48y4nah I see, thanks log feature is great
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17:55:39Stummiy4n, there is an experimental patch for usb-support on clip+
17:55:44Stummiyou could try this if you want
17:55:53y4nI think I'll pass, thanks :)
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18:05:10EvanCarrollis there a way to plug in my usb so that charge-mode only applies.
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18:05:23EvanCarroll(is there a trick like holding a button)
18:05:43LambdaCalculus37EvanCarroll: What player?
18:06:03EvanCarrollSansa AMS e280v2 =)
18:06:26pixelmaUSB patched build or not?
18:06:52EvanCarrollI assume it was from 3.7 trunk
18:09:48EvanCarrollactually i just plugged it in while playing a sound it seems to have worked
18:13:00pixelmaI'm not sure though if this applies to your player but some of the newer Sansa ports that don't have Rockbox USB yet will currently just stay in Rockbox if you plug USB while Rockbox is already running (it used to reboot into the OF but because this lead to some serious freezing problems for some people it was disabled)
18:16:25EvanCarrollaparently the deal is the big button while pluggin it in puts it in charge only mode
18:16:56EvanCarrollif i plug it in while playing a track RB will expose the drive, and usb controls trigger automount and stop the playback
18:17:03EvanCarrollthe big button continues playback and just charges
18:17:05EvanCarroll=) very nice
18:17:44pixelmathe big button is called Select and the above linked section of our nice manual explains it ;)
18:19:01EvanCarrollI know.. I should read it.
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18:19:38EvanCarrollI take for granted that it can do all kinds of cool shit, because I generally just want it to do simple stuff, and I'm used to not reading manuals because the OF doesn't do anything I can't figure out right away anyway.
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19:02:29CIA-7New commit by alle (r28478): Manual: Bring the opts in the manual in line with ifdefs in the code
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19:03:56fmlAlexP: now it should be worth backporting :-)
19:04:17AlexPPlease do :)
19:04:25CIA-7r28478 build result: All green
19:04:31pixelmaI was just considering starting to work on that ;)
19:05:11fmlAlexP: I don't know how
19:05:22AlexPjust checkout the 3.7 branch and commit to that
19:05:27AlexPI can do it for this one
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19:05:38AlexPBut if your going to do lots of fixes it'd be nice :)
19:06:06AlexPfml: Don't worry for this though, I'll do it - it isn't worth you checking out for just this
19:07:04DriseSince S_a_i_n_t seems abesnt at the moment: I have finished compiling the toolchains on cygwin. Now what do I do?
19:07:16fmlAlexP: ok, I'll do in the future. Or I won't do any fixes for some time ;-)
19:07:25AlexPhehe :)
19:07:31AlexPI don't mind actually :)
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19:12:09CIA-7New commit by alex (r28479): Backport r28478 - Manual: Bring the opts in the manual in line with ifdefs in the code
19:12:13AlexPfml: cheers :)
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19:13:23AlchimystaTheLemonMan it is no?
19:13:41pixelmadid I invent a backport commit message style? :)
19:14:21pixelmafml: thanks, btw. and nice to see you here
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19:16:39fmlpixelma: :-) I was here yesterday but not for long
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19:32:31UtchybannTheSeven: no playback freezing or garbled when plugging in usb in charging mode on my mini2g (r28451).
19:33:16UtchybannTheSeven: rockbox compiled from the same source tree on the same computer (same version of gcc).
19:33:51UtchybannTheSeven: arm-elf-eabi-gcc (GCC) 4.4.4
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19:44:52Mobius-1Greetings. Does the Fuze V2 have support for Screendump?
19:45:44Mobius-1I've checked the Fuze V2 manual and the page explaining screendump.
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19:49:19UtchybannTheSeven: r28285 is also affected by the issue.
19:49:59TheSevenis it also present in the 3.7 release binary?
19:54:49UtchybannTheSeven: r24645 is not affected.
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19:59:03Utchybann3.7 is also affected.
19:59:53Utchybannstoping playback and starting it again unfreeze the platback. pause/unpause have not affect.
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20:00:17sandman06hi everyone
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20:04:33sandman06when will toshiba gigabeat S be supported in the rock box utility installation
20:04:49sandman06the port has been completed and everything is green 100%
20:05:48AlexPwhen someone does whatever work is needed
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20:05:56AlexPAnd it isn't complete
20:06:14AlexPThere are problems with single boot bootloader on newer OF versions
20:06:24AlexPand the battery life is a bit shit
20:06:35AlexP(neither of which are necessarily show stoppers)
20:07:07sandman06lol ok
20:07:38AlexPIt principally just needs someone to do the work
20:08:50sandman06well i made a royal mistake of buying it. orginally i had a sansa e280 and scroll button broke, so i decided to buy the gigabeat i should of researched more
20:09:22AlexPThe S would be quite nice with a better battery and a not so stupid OF bootloader
20:09:33sandman06i would buy another sansa e280 but i really hate the scroll button navigation
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20:10:49sandman06I take it you have a gigabeat S ?
20:10:55AlexPamong others
20:16:31sandman06i might put it back on fleabay
20:16:49sandman06and get another players that is better supported in terms of hardware/development
20:17:04AlexPIt is pretty much as supported as anything else
20:17:11AlexPAll the hardware works etc.
20:17:15AlexPWhat are you missing?
20:17:24LambdaCalculus37sandman06: The Gigabeat S works well enough for daily use, except for the battery life and slightly funny bootloader like AlexP mentioned.
20:17:33sandman06the battery life wasnt what i was expecting
20:17:48sandman06coming from a sansa e280
20:17:51AlexPyeah, but Rockbox isn't that much worse than the OF
20:17:56sandman06i like really long battery life
20:18:06AlexPSo it isn't so much a supported issue, as a hardware thing
20:18:35sandman06yes when you mention OF version
20:18:35AlexPI haven't measured for a long time though
20:18:39sandman06u meaning the new 1.3
20:18:48sandman06or does it affect 1.2 as well
20:18:54LambdaCalculus37I was using a Gigabeat S for a good year and a half and never had any real issues with it at all.
20:19:06AlexPyes, it causes issues with the Rockbox single boot bootloader, but dual is fine
20:19:16AlexP1.3 for sure, 1.2 don't know
20:19:19sandman06i mainly bought it for its screen size and powefull cpu/ram
20:21:13LambdaCalculus37sandman06: You know you can get a higher capacity battery for the Gigabeat S, right?
20:21:36AlexPLambdaCalculus37: Yes, but it is still crap compared to other targets
20:21:42sandman06from ebay ?
20:21:51AlexPand other places
20:22:00sandman06whats the mah capcity
20:22:07AlexPwhatever you can get
20:22:14AlexPI have a 1000 mAh in mine
20:22:22AlexP(orig is 700 I think)
20:22:48sandman06can i ask, what preference do you have in terms of a player
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20:23:18AlexPDepends what you want - size, capacity, radio, rec, etc. etc.
20:23:41sandman06i really miss my mic from my sansa e series. just a shame it has a shit navigate control
20:24:04AlexPI mostly use a gigabeat F, last one I'd get rid of is an iriver H100, then I have various flash ones I use from time to time
20:25:32LambdaCalculus37I use my iPod video and Archos JBRv1; I swapped the hard drive in my iPod video for a 32GB CF card, and upgraded the HDD in my JBRv1 to 80GB.
20:26:21sandman06what about the read/write issue
20:26:28sandman06wont that wear ur cf card down
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20:31:42bertrikWhat read/write issue?
20:32:21LambdaCalculus37sandman06: What read/write issue? And my CF card's still working with no issues.
20:32:38LambdaCalculus37Rockbox doesn't damage CF cards.
20:32:47LambdaCalculus37(At least it hasn't done so to mine!)
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20:34:05sandman06CF have short life span
20:34:18sandman06especially when written to alot
20:35:11LambdaCalculus37sandman06: Yeah, if you buy cheap-o CF cards. My iPod video has a Transcend 133x 32GB CF card in it that I bought two years ago. It's still working.
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20:36:58LambdaCalculus37Anyway, I've said my bit and I'm done here.
20:38:50sandman06thanks guys for the info. Ive searched on the forum regarding gigabeat S and its status and nothing
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20:39:03sandman06I guess its just a waiting game untill it gets done
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20:48:44AlchimystaWhat is
20:49:10AlexPsandman06: The only way to make anything happen is to do it
20:49:33AlexPNobody is doing anything specifically beast related that I'm aware of
20:49:49BdN3504Just a friendly reminder: By clicking on the link "All commits -> since last release" on main page all changes since june 30th are displayed.
20:50:32BdN3504I understood the last release was on October 30th, so you might want to change that
20:51:00AlchimystaWhen I compile the plugin, the file cyngwin asks me, where is it?
20:51:40AlexPBdN3504: Yeah, it needs updating
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20:56:13AlchimystaWhen I compile the plugin, the file cyngwin asks me, where is it?
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21:39:44tcm1998hi all
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21:58:40wodzAlexP, pixelma: how to prepare screenshots? Just grab screenshot of the sim or there is some other preferred route?
21:58:52AlexPsadly no
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21:59:26AlexPrasher was working on something more automated for the sim at one point but I don't think he finished, so for now it is just the sim
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22:00:09AlexPIt isn't too bad for one target actually, it is a bigger pain in the arse if you want to do e.g. one plugin for all targets
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22:00:33wodzHow are treated targets with non square pixels? Should I rescale the screenshot or just leave it as is?
22:00:54AlexPnot sure, I've never done one :)
22:01:03bluebroth3rAlexP: sorry, been away the last couple of days but for completeness: Rockbox Utility handles the single Ipod Video fine since the latest release
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22:01:19AlexPbluebroth3r: cheers )
22:02:16n1swodz: iirc the archos bitmap targets have nonsquare pixels but the screenshots anre not rescaled
22:02:38bluebroth3rand I agree that the recommendation for release in Rockbox Utility might be a good idea to get replaced with an improved hint that also links to the release notes
22:03:08wodzn1s: that answers my question, thanks
22:03:11AlchimystaHave trovated information in readmen of infones: 1: extract the source files to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/ines 2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs 3: make in your $BUILD directory (as you usually would) 4: add "nes,games/ines" to you /.rockbox/viewer.config file on your DAP
22:03:41bluebroth3rthough I still want to rework the UI completely to make the difference clearer (and also support it better for the other parts, especially the bootloader installation)
22:04:06wodzAlexP: screenshots are small pain compared to keymaps for plugins.
22:04:21AlexPthey are both pains :)
22:10:00Alchimystahelp me!!!
22:10:43AlexPAlchimysta: You haven't asked a question
22:11:11AlchimystaCan you explain in more simple words this phrase? 2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs
22:11:41AlexPopen those files and add "ines" to them
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22:22:29S_a_i_n_tDrise: it's all here:
22:22:56S_a_i_n_t(this assumes a working environment, and a checked out copy of the RB source)
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22:24:00S_a_i_n_t[10:22] <S_a_i_n_t> Drise: it's all here:
22:24:00S_a_i_n_t[10:23] <S_a_i_n_t> (this assumes a working environment, and a checked out copy of the RB source)
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22:27:37DriseThank you.
22:28:20DriseA working envir? (I have svn updated)
22:29:11S_a_i_n_tIF the toolchain succeeded, then everything else should also. If you want to build the simulator though, you will need to compile SDL from source also.
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22:33:45wodzS_a_i_n_t: may I bug you again about 'charging' graphic?
22:34:03DriseI'm having issues with it finding the files to patch.... Where should I run the patch rogram?
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22:34:53AlexPDrise: usually in the source root, but it depends where the person made the patch
22:35:22AlexPtry "patch -p0 < patch.diff" then "patch -p1 < patch.diff" etc.
22:35:44S_a_i_n_twodz: Sure, I think the simplest thing to do would be for you to see if you can find an image you would like me to work from, I'm not entirely sure what you'd like it to look like as a finished result.
22:36:21wodzS_a_i_n_t: The battery you have shown is quite ok for me
22:36:38S_a_i_n_tDrise: Typically, patches created using svn will be "patch.exe -p0 <blah>.patch/diff, and patches created using git will be -p0
22:36:45wodzS_a_i_n_t: You said you have some idea how to tweak it
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22:37:21Drisep1 made it happy..
22:38:18Driseand if im'm using two patches, should i use a -R?
22:38:25Drise(it is asking me)
22:38:27S_a_i_n_twodz: One thing I was unsure of is whether or not you will be representing just the charging state, or a "charger connected" state also.
22:38:33AlexPDrise: no, -R undoes a patch
22:38:39AlexPDrise: Just apply both
22:38:57AlexP(or try, they might conflict, depends what they are)
22:39:21S_a_i_n_tif it is asking you "assume -R?" (on a clean tree) then that code is already in SVN
22:39:52wodzS_a_i_n_t: Charging state and Battery Full or something like this at the end of the charging
22:40:52DriseHunk#1 failed?
22:40:59AlexPpatch is out of sync
22:41:10S_a_i_n_tiiuc most (or all?) RB hardware can detect charger present, but not currently charging...most/some themes like to represent this, I wasn't sure if you wanted to do this also.
22:41:12AlexPthe code that the patch effects has changed in the meantime
22:41:16S_a_i_n_twodz: ^
22:41:26Drisehmm.... i do I get a clean copy of svn?
22:41:30AlexPDrise: Unfortunately for you, this means you have to dig into the patch manually
22:41:36csuwhats the most default rockbox theme?
22:41:39AlexPDrise: "svn revert -R ." IIRC
22:41:44AlexPcsu: cabbie v2
22:41:48S_a_i_n_tdrise: s"svn revert -R ."
22:42:00csuthanks alex
22:42:03S_a_i_n_t- the first s ;)
22:42:34S_a_i_n_tDrise: What patch are you applying?
22:42:40wodzS_a_i_n_t: this is for bootloader so it will be only in this two states
22:42:51S_a_i_n_taha, right.
22:43:06DriseOut of all the times I've worked with svn, this is being most troublesome.
22:43:32csualex: would u say its the best theme to run? (one that uses the least resources etc)
22:43:56AlexPcsu: Doesn't really have much effect without peakmeters I'd say
22:44:16AlexPNot that you would really notice
22:44:24S_a_i_n_tcsu: The theme that uses the least resources is undoubtedly rockbox_failsafe
22:44:28S_a_i_n_tbut it's *ugly*
22:44:45AlexPcsu: Fewer images/animations/sublines etc., but you would probably not actually notice any difference
22:45:00S_a_i_n_tthat's the theme you will see if loading a theme goes wrong, but you can select it yourself also.
22:45:10AlexPI don't think it is worth it
22:45:20AlexPAlso, that has peakmeters doesn't it?
22:45:24AlexPSo it is probably bad
22:45:38csui noticed there's a new skin format with the 3.7, so i just want to run a theme thats most up to date.
22:45:53AlexPThat doesn't mean much
22:46:05AlexPAs long as it has been updated to the new format it doesn't really matter
22:46:31csui know. thats why i wanted to run the most default theme that comes from rockbox itself.
22:46:42AlexPdefault theme is cabbie v2
22:46:47S_a_i_n_tif the theme runs, it's been updates.
22:46:59AlexPBut really, just go with anything that works that looks like you want
22:47:04S_a_i_n_tall the themes packaged with rockbox have been.
22:47:41csusaint: issue is i updated, but all the previous themes (i ctrl+a's all) is still there from previous updates.
22:48:00AlexPyou can just delete them
22:48:26DriseS_a_i_n_t, Do I need both patches for this?
22:48:38csui think im gonna stick with cabbiev2, its good enough. :D
22:49:13csui wish there was a way to use the ipod while its being charged.
22:49:16S_a_i_n_tDrise: Yes.
22:49:20AlexPcsu: there is
22:49:24S_a_i_n_tcsu: read the manual
22:49:36csuThe "Charge during USB connection" option now has a "force" setting. <- whats the force setting?
22:49:39AlexPjust hold (I think) menu when connecting usb, the manual explains this
22:50:44*Buschel sighs
22:50:53csualex; you're right. thanks!
22:50:57*Drise is wholly confused...
22:51:22Buschelnot too easy to find a way to exploit the vast amount of iram to achieve faster codecs on S5L870x
22:51:50*Drise is lagging +90 again...
22:52:21S_a_i_n_tDrise: what is it that is confising you?
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22:53:19S_a_i_n_tBuschel: I'm looking at FS #11716 now, ~5% is nothing to be sneezed at.
22:53:23wodzcsu: force means that if USB enumeration is unsuccessful the fallback is 500mA (in order to support dumb chargers). This is potentially dangerous if you connect dap to laptop and host controller hangs for some reason
22:54:16BuschelS_a_i_n_t: yep, but I did not find any other codec where I could further improve the performance
22:54:30csuthx wodz
22:54:59AlexPDrise: It looks like you are trying to apply two versions of a patch, or two patches that do the same thing
22:55:05AlexPNeither of these will work
22:55:15AlexPWhere is the patch you want from?
22:55:36S_a_i_n_tyou don't have to apply both *sets* of patches, just the two from that latest version.
22:57:52S_a_i_n_tthe clean SVN definitely doesn't include the code from that you have already applied the patch
22:58:58S_a_i_n_t*v2-enable-usb.diff is apparently already in your tree.
22:59:14DriseAlright... then why two patches? Is one unessessary?
22:59:23DriseOne is for usb with failures and the other is usb corrected...
22:59:32DriseMy apologies.
23:00:02S_a_i_n_tthere are two patches in each set, you need to install both patches from each set...but not both sets.
23:00:46S_a_i_n_tyou want to install the two patches approximately halfway down that page
23:00:51DriseAlright, now that I have applied the usb patch, what is next? (Or just continue to the website?)
23:00:52S_a_i_n_tand not the two up the top.
23:01:11S_a_i_n_tDrise: just compile as normal.
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23:02:28Buschelanybody with an iPod 4g, color or nano 1g willing to test fs#11707 ?
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23:04:24DriseI installed the newer ones, the ones half way down, but they still give me the error. I installed the *vs-usb.diff
23:05:14DriseI'm currently running the make file.
23:05:40*Drise will be leaving soon, as class is ending ~10 mins.
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23:10:27S_a_i_n_tDrise: That isn't going to work. Start with a clean SVN checkout by using the command "svn revert -R ." in the root of your source checkout.
23:10:39 Quit Drise (Quit: will be back soon... I hope.)
23:10:43S_a_i_n_tthen install *both* and
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23:12:57wodzAlexP: what is the convention for screenshots - with backlight on or off?
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23:22:45pixelmawodz: IIRC the screenshots are all saved with the "backlight on" colours
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23:23:27pixelmaif you use Rockbox' screendump functions (F5 in the sim)
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23:23:38wodzI see
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