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| 00:02:25 | pixelma | fml: I believe this is still wrong, hwcodec has a pitchscreen too but no timestretch (have to check for if the feature is defined or not though( |
| 00:02:58 | dfkt | how does one 'un-initialize' the database on a player - just by deleting all the database* files in the .rockbox folder? |
| 00:05:43 | bertrik | yes, I think that should work |
| 00:06:28 | dfkt | thanks bertrik, yes, it worked |
| 00:06:32 | CIA-7 | New commit by b0hoon (r28464): Manual: add images for the Philips Gogear HDD1630 (FS #10329), Author: Marko Pahlke. |
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| 00:13:32 | CIA-7 | New commit by b0hoon (r28465): Manual: add images for the Philips Gogear HDD6330, FS #11705 by me. |
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| 00:18:44 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28466): Still coming along with HDD6330 plugin keymaps. |
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| 02:49:08 | Ra1nbow | Greetings. |
| 02:50:00 | Ra1nbow | I'm trying to install rockbox on my 1st generation 2GB iPod nano, i've followed the instructions on the website for both the automatic and the manual installation and nothing seems to be working |
| 02:51:21 | Ra1nbow | oh dear, what have I done... anyone know what iPod Diagnostics is? |
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| 02:53:52 | Ra1nbow | usually it'll say "Can't load rockbox.ipod" |
| 02:56:04 | Ra1nbow | also the Rockbox Utility seems to think that it's a normal 1st gen ipod, but i know it's a nano |
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| 03:04:32 | JdGordon| | Ra1nbow: did you extract rockbox.zip? or just do the bootloader install? |
| 03:04:59 | JdGordon| | if rockbox util thinks it is wrong you need to force it to the right model or it will install the wrong bits |
| 03:05:01 | Ra1nbow | JdGordon|: I've tried lots of things, both of those included |
| 03:05:10 | JdGordon| | manual install? |
| 03:05:26 | Ra1nbow | well, it won't let me do anything to my iPod anymore |
| 03:05:34 | Ra1nbow | read-only |
| 03:05:40 | JdGordon| | got itunes? |
| 03:05:46 | Ra1nbow | not on this computer |
| 03:05:50 | Ra1nbow | i'm using Ubuntu |
| 03:06:06 | JdGordon| | there is restore instructions for linux on the wiki iirc |
| 03:06:11 | Ra1nbow | I've managed to get it to boot into the default OS and all my music is there |
| 03:06:19 | JdGordon| | get back to apple os only and do a manual install |
| 03:06:27 | Llorean | If your iPod's read-only, that suggests something else is wrong before Rockbox. |
| 03:06:41 | Ra1nbow | well, it managed to install the wrong version before |
| 03:06:49 | Ra1nbow | but now i can't manually delete files |
| 03:06:55 | Ra1nbow | whereas I could before |
| 03:07:08 | Ra1nbow | just open it up in a file browser and hit delete |
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| 03:07:32 | Llorean | If Rockbox isn't installed, it means you're still using the Apple Disk Mode, which means no part of Rockbox is running at the time you're trying to delete files. |
| 03:07:46 | Llorean | Which probably means disk errors (which could also affect its ability to find rockbox.ipod and load it) |
| 03:07:58 | Ra1nbow | oh that's another thing... |
| 03:08:16 | Ra1nbow | browsing the ipod files, rockbox.ipod isn't there |
| 03:08:23 | Ra1nbow | has never been there |
| 03:08:58 | Llorean | If you didn't get any errors during installation, and Rockbox.ipod isn't there, you didn't complete all of installation. |
| 03:09:36 | Llorean | You should probably do like JdGordon| suggested and restore your iPod to a "clean" state, and then check the disk |
| 03:09:48 | Ra1nbow | right now the iPod has an empty .rockbox folder and RockboxUtility.exe and RockbockUtility.ini |
| 03:09:58 | Ra1nbow | and of course all the default stuff |
| 03:10:28 | Ra1nbow | yeah, i'll plug the iPod into a windows pc tomorrow then |
| 03:10:40 | Ra1nbow | it's kinda late right now... another contributing factor to my failure |
| 03:14:40 | S_a_i_n_t | you do know you don't have to run RockboxUtility.exe from the device....yes? |
| 03:15:03 | Ra1nbow | yeah |
| 03:15:36 | Ra1nbow | I'll try again tomorrow |
| 03:16:16 | S_a_i_n_t | the fact that it's now read only suggests you have some filesystem corruption |
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| 03:17:12 | Ra1nbow | well, i'll just reset it with iTunes tomorrow and have another stab in the dark |
| 03:17:22 | Ra1nbow | i've never ever ever done anything like this before, lol |
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| 03:17:39 | Llorean | It should be extremely trivial |
| 03:18:03 | Llorean | I've got a 1st generation Nano and when it's in good working order, the utility will auto detect it and install everything for you with just a couple clicks. |
| 03:18:10 | Llorean | It worked for me just 2 or 3 days ago. |
| 03:18:42 | Ra1nbow | indeed, i thought it would be trivial |
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| 03:19:12 | Ra1nbow | but auto-detect thought that it was just a normal iPod |
| 03:19:14 | Ra1nbow | not a nano |
| 03:19:29 | Ra1nbow | so it keeps whining and insisting that it's not a nano |
| 03:19:51 | Ra1nbow | like I said, i'll plug it into itunes and try again |
| 03:19:55 | Ra1nbow | tomorrow though |
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| 03:21:29 | Llorean | The auto-detect works really well. If there's some reason it thinks it's not a Nano, that would be something worth looking into, since the ways the iPods are identified have been extremely reliable for years now. |
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| 03:22:49 | Ra1nbow | tomorrow i'll hopefully have more luck |
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| 03:27:54 | Ra1nbow | anyway, i need me some sleep... 'night |
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| 03:45:56 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28467): These should be the last of the plugin keymaps required ... |
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| 03:54:42 | Drise | S_a_i_n_t: Rockbox: Done! |
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| 03:59:29 | Drise | Now that my toolchains are built, how to I patch files, and build them? |
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| 04:18:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm glad I didn't enable plugins on the HDD6330 straight away. :) |
| 04:19:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's a few errors I need to get fixed up. |
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| 04:19:38 | factor | nice rockbox 3.7 just released |
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| 04:41:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmm, I may have to rethink a few of the plugin keymaps out a bit more. Some of them are a little funky on the HDD6330's touchpad. |
| 04:42:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: (for the logs) Try out the plugins on your HDD6320 and tell me if you think we need to redo some of the keymaps. |
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| 07:27:09 | TheBarron2 | what's a good m3u editor? |
| 07:28:05 | TheBarron2 | And what's the best way to delete the music out of the shit database now that I've rockboxed and can put the music on there in a sane file structure |
| 07:30:24 | Llorean | I would imagine any file browser can manage to delete songs, but given that you haven't told people what player you're using it's unlikely anyone can give better advice. |
| 07:30:44 | Llorean | As for "good" M3U editors - take your pick, there's a million programs that use them, and preferred PC software is really out of the scope of this channel anyway. |
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| 07:32:34 | TheBarron2 | ipod video |
| 07:32:55 | jngdwe | Hi, I have a question for anyone thats here. Are there any 3rd party plugins for rockbox? |
| 07:33:09 | Llorean | TheBarron2: Then yes, you can just delete the folder containing the songs. |
| 07:33:56 | Llorean | jngdwe: We include basically any plugins submitted to us in a good enough state, generally speaking. You'd have to use Google to see if you could find third party ones, and they're unlikely to work unless they've been maintained and happen to be specifically for the same player you're using |
| 07:34:07 | TheBarron2 | uhm.. what folder are you referring to? All the music that was previously in there is iPod-ized.. granted, don't know much about ipod structure so maybe it's obvious.. |
| 07:34:22 | jngdwe | Thanks Llorean. |
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| 07:34:38 | Llorean | TheBarron2: I'm not sure its name. ipod_control I think |
| 07:34:41 | jngdwe | Sad to hear that )=, I wish rockbox had some sort of app database. |
| 07:34:49 | TheBarron2 | ah right |
| 07:35:00 | TheBarron2 | ok, thanks |
| 07:35:04 | Llorean | jngdwe: What benefit would that have, if there aren't any apps? |
| 07:35:25 | jngdwe | If there were apps, I meant. |
| 07:35:40 | Llorean | If there were apps you probably wouldn't need one, because they'd be included... |
| 07:36:09 | jngdwe | Well at some point I'm sure it would start to take up more memory to just include every plugin. |
| 07:36:18 | jngdwe | too much memory, excuse me. |
| 07:36:39 | Llorean | They take up storage, but not RAM. |
| 07:37:00 | jngdwe | The storage is what i'de be concerned with. But I suppose it really isn't a problem with newer players. |
| 07:37:03 | Llorean | And most are relatively tiny. So it's not even close to a problem so far. |
| 07:37:28 | Llorean | Besides, you can always delete them, and if it becomes a problem in the future, it'll probably be added as a feature to rbutil to exclude specific plugins. |
| 07:37:50 | jngdwe | Ohwell, a man can dream! |
| 07:38:04 | jngdwe | Woot at the successful usb charging on my Sansa e250v2 |
| 07:38:39 | jngdwe | I just updated to 3.7 =D |
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| 07:52:04 | confused | anyone able to play slot radio cards on rockboxed sansa c240? |
| 07:53:03 | Llorean | I wouldn't expect them to work. |
| 07:54:05 | confused | I read a few chat post that folks said they used them on a sansa c240 with rockbox but now I have installed cant figure out how to play |
| 07:54:32 | Llorean | There's no reason they should work on any Rockbox player. DRM isn't supported. |
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| 07:55:13 | confused | Ok thanks I must have misunderstood |
| 07:56:31 | confused | so next question I installed rockbox but seemed to have lost all the music and photos loaded on prior to install...normal?? |
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| 07:57:07 | S_a_i_n_t | the should still be visible to the OF |
| 07:57:14 | S_a_i_n_t | *they |
| 07:58:08 | confused | it is strange there were only 7 files of the 149 loaded originaly and no photos of the 20 or so |
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| 08:00:44 | confused | how much space does rockbox take up because 1 gig player says it is near full but can find the original files |
| 08:01:23 | S_a_i_n_t | ~50MB (f you installed all additional files) |
| 08:01:31 | S_a_i_n_t | *if |
| 08:01:38 | S_a_i_n_t | In other words, shit all. |
| 08:02:28 | confused | Hmm what is OF I tied using file viewer and tried to update data base but it only sees the 7 audio files loaded in systems folder |
| 08:02:48 | S_a_i_n_t | "original Firmware" |
| 08:03:00 | confused | yea that is nothing so the original files must still be there somewhere |
| 08:03:44 | confused | Oh ok so if i boot to original they will be there but cant get to them with rockbox? |
| 08:04:35 | confused | thanks by the way great info |
| 08:06:00 | confused | do you think If I boot to original firmware and move files to systems folder I could then see them form rockbox? |
| 08:06:16 | confused | from |
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| 08:09:36 | confused | thanks again |
| 08:09:40 | y4n | Rockboxed my Clip+ yesterday. I'm impressed :) |
| 08:09:52 | * | y4n clicks the donate button |
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| 08:50:32 | Bagder | Zagor: for a rainy day: we need to make sure build.rockbox.org doesn't completely die if a faulty builds.pm is committed to svn... :-) |
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| 08:51:50 | Bagder | or should I say snowy... |
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| 08:54:27 | Bagder | Zagor: did you see my previous line? |
| 08:58:43 | Zagor | yes |
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| 09:58:30 | n1s | ok, so with an atrocious hack a profile build on h300 (built with gcc 4.4.4) boots up fine but hangs as soon as music playback is started even though no files are actually compiled with -finstrument-functions and no profiling functions except those in switch_thread are called |
| 09:59:57 | n1s | hmm, no, it hangs on some tracks/codecs others give codec failure... |
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| 10:01:58 | y4n | How do I go back to the default theme (Clip+)? |
| 10:02:19 | n1s | select it in the theme browser |
| 10:02:27 | n1s | called cabbiev2 |
| 10:02:31 | y4n | ah thanks |
| 10:10:37 | n1s | hmm, my hack isn't correct, that's probably why this happens... |
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| 10:20:46 | n1s | ah, better hack seems to work |
| 10:23:39 | y4n | omg Frotz on my Clip+? |
| 10:23:43 | y4n | hah that's amazing :) |
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| 10:25:41 | n1s | hmm, profiling + testcodec doesn't work but profiling during regular playback seems to |
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| 10:30:54 | n1s | it freezes halfway through the track O_o |
| 10:33:32 | n1s | different bitrate of that test track freezes in the same position... |
| 10:34:21 | TheSeven | what about a different track? is it just the time? :) |
| 10:34:39 | n1s | testing different tracks now |
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| 10:37:00 | n1s | yeah, all tracks freeze between 92 and 94 seconds |
| 10:37:35 | n1s | now i need to find a shorter one |
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| 10:52:39 | CIA-7 | New commit by alex (r28472): Backport r28462 - Manual: make the presence of the timestretch menu description depend on the right condition (pitchscreen instead of just swcodec) |
| 10:57:21 | n1s | profiling shorter tracks seems to work but the log contains a "Profiling exited with an error. Overflow or timer stolen most likely." message |
| 10:57:43 | n1s | which isn't there with a build made with the old gcc |
| 10:58:33 | TheSeven | you mentioned that it needs some hack to even boot. what kind of hack was that? i.e. what did the new compiler break? could this somehow also cause this part of the problem? |
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| 11:00:53 | n1s | switch_thread saved the wrong stack pointer when profiling was enabled because the call to the profile_thread_stopped pushed an arg on the stack and then the sp was saved before being incremented again but my current hack seems to fix that although maybe i should test it a little more |
| 11:03:47 | n1s | ah, it overflows the profiling buffer |
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| 11:09:00 | pixelma | AlexP: I'd have waited to backport that one, it's still not correct |
| 11:09:32 | AlexP | oh, I just assumed it was |
| 11:09:47 | AlexP | Otherwise (so went my thinking), he wouldn't have committed it |
| 11:10:06 | AlexP | and without checking it didn't look obviously wrong to me |
| 11:10:12 | AlexP | pixelma: What should it be? |
| 11:12:37 | n1s | it creates several entries for the same address, that's why it overflows the buffer |
| 11:13:29 | pixelma | AlexP: it should be inside another swcodec probably, need to check. I just know that while the bitmapped Archoses have adjustable pitch, they don't have timestretch. He told me privately that he used it because in the C code the setting was used for "pitchscreen" - maybe it's been overlooked that this inside a swcodec part - or maybe even the lang files are wrong there |
| 11:14:13 | AlexP | So he knows it is wrong? |
| 11:14:44 | pixelma | I mentioned the same here yesterday night after the commit and he read logs |
| 11:14:59 | AlexP | I wish he'd come on IRC |
| 11:15:40 | AlexP | Anyway, if you are going to investigate, would ytou mind fixing both at the same time? :) |
| 11:15:52 | pixelma | yeah me too, he said he wasn't able today |
| 11:16:06 | pixelma | and another yes... you made me ;) |
| 11:16:14 | AlexP | thanks :) |
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| 11:25:10 | Stummi | is funman still active anywhere on the rockbox-community? |
| 11:26:18 | n1s | haven't seen him for a while |
| 11:27:04 | Stummi | hm |
| 11:27:32 | n1s | hmm, removing the special casing for coldfire in the codec lib __cyg_profile_func_enter seems to fix profilin |
| 11:27:33 | n1s | g |
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| 11:32:42 | n1s | decode_packed_block seems to be the major culprit in the vorbis slowdown if this is correct |
| 11:38:59 | pixelma | AlexP: english.lang includes the "timestretch" strings based on the "swcodec" feature. I wonder if there are any swcodec targets that don't have timestretch? |
| 11:39:23 | pixelma | I could only imagine a low mem problem if at all |
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| 11:45:38 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: ping? |
| 11:56:39 | JdGordon | anyone mind if I enable -g on the checkwps build command? |
| 11:59:35 | n1s | JdGordon: it isn't speed critical or anything, is it? |
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| 12:00:15 | JdGordon | not at all |
| 12:00:50 | n1s | then go ahead, easier debugging is always welcome |
| 12:07:00 | JdGordon | when was 3.7 branched? which revision? |
| 12:08:26 | n1s | hmm, that function is twice as big when compiled with gcc 4.4.4 |
| 12:08:38 | n1s | maybe sticking it in iram will help |
| 12:08:49 | * | JdGordon guesses AlexP might know :) |
| 12:08:58 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r28473): Fix a bug introduced with r28370 (feature check tag improvements) where %Rp<foo> would fail to parse if the target had recording. Also enable ... |
| 12:10:40 | CIA-7 | r28473 build result: All green |
| 12:10:54 | JdGordon | AlexP: can you do that last checkin in the 3.7 branch please? thats a slightly nasty bug in a little used feature |
| 12:12:38 | AlexP | Sure, as is? |
| 12:12:59 | JdGordon | yeah, the checkwps.make change isnt needed |
| 12:13:06 | AlexP | pixelma: I think someone needs to check the code to be sure here :) |
| 12:13:35 | JdGordon | before you do.. let me just tripple check this :) |
| 12:14:14 | AlexP | Sure :) |
| 12:14:58 | JdGordon | yeah, good to go :) |
| 12:15:14 | JdGordon | now for some android hacking I think |
| 12:16:55 | n1s | nope, iram doesn't help... |
| 12:19:45 | AlexP | JdGordon: I'm not finding that part of the file in the 3.7 branch - can you point me at the line here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/branches/v3_7/lib/skin_parser/skin_parser.c?annotate=28309 |
| 12:21:31 | JdGordon | ah, hmm, I must have misread the branch rev |
| 12:21:40 | JdGordon | never mind then :) |
| 12:21:45 | AlexP | 3.7 branch was 28309 |
| 12:21:48 | AlexP | OK :) |
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| 12:28:12 | pixelma | AlexP: in settings.h I can find timestretch_enabled in a HAVE_PITCHSCREEN inside an swcodec block. HAVE_PITCHSCREEN is defined in the target's config files and all but the Player and some unfinished ports define it (ifp, lyreproto and the View) |
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| 12:29:15 | JdGordon | I want to put some of the checkwps debugging output into the rockbox bin (enough so it says which line and char the error is on).. how small delta would that need to be to be worth keeping? |
| 12:31:13 | pixelma | AlexP: fml just send me a mail in which he confirms and asks me if I could fix. The most correct and always true way would be to use both (pitchscreen opt inside an swcodec opt) but as far as I can see the swcodec one would do. What do you think? |
| 12:31:18 | pixelma | *sent |
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| 12:37:42 | AlexP | pixelma: I think it is probably wise to mirror the code, even if it seems not necessary right now |
| 12:37:56 | AlexP | You never know in the future when it'll bite us :) |
| 12:38:41 | pixelma | True. It would also be only a simple revert otherwise ;) |
| 12:38:55 | AlexP | hehe :) |
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| 12:39:57 | kugel | pixelma: i think there were some commits recently to make HAVE_PTICHSCREEN actually optional. timestrech definitely needs pitchscreen |
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| 12:41:23 | pixelma | that won't be in an official manual though :) |
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| 12:55:37 | kugel | Zagor: did you see the patch? |
| 12:55:44 | kugel | for the scroll threshold |
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| 13:05:18 | Zagor | kugel: fs? |
| 13:05:28 | Zagor | or did you commit? |
| 13:05:42 | kugel | neither, I put it on pastie yesterday |
| 13:05:56 | Zagor | oh, no I didn't see that |
| 13:05:58 | kugel | i didn't implement it on the other touchscreens so i didn't bother with fs yet |
| 13:06:43 | kugel | http://pastie.org/1269231 |
| 13:08:02 | kugel | it also fixes the context menu so that it pops up directly |
| 13:08:26 | Zagor | nice |
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| 13:12:13 | JdGordon | what do we want to do about the back button when we are in the main menu? |
| 13:12:38 | JdGordon | <- os or leave it for rb to do nothing with? |
| 13:13:15 | kugel | have you looked at my yesno dialog patches? |
| 13:13:47 | JdGordon | not yet |
| 13:14:39 | kugel | I think we want to leave to the OS if it's pressed in the main menu |
| 13:15:14 | Bagder | I think so too |
| 13:15:17 | kugel | or perhaps if it's pressed twice in a row like on astro filemanager |
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| 13:16:07 | JdGordon | that might be more doable |
| 13:16:19 | JdGordon | certainyl less work |
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| 13:17:28 | JdGordon | how do we make the yesno and keyboard not slide the rockobx View away? |
| 13:17:34 | JdGordon | or display the rb logo under it? |
| 13:18:57 | JdGordon | astro returns to the os once you are in / |
| 13:19:11 | kugel | I don't know exactly, but the sdk talks about view hierarchies in some places |
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| 13:20:26 | kugel | maybe you need to make the view where the yesno dialog is in a child of the RockboxFramebuffer view. that's just a guess though |
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| 13:26:55 | giovanni_ | hey there :-) |
| 13:27:25 | giovanni_ | who is Purlin Nayuki? |
| 13:27:47 | Bagder | welcome to #rockbox where we talk rockbox |
| 13:28:14 | giovanni_ | I would like to speak with him about the recently commit in the wiki page of onda vx7x7 |
| 13:28:31 | Bagder | I'm not aware of him/her being on IRC |
| 13:29:16 | giovanni_ | ok, he wrote that Rockbox cannot display correctly on VX777 but that's no true |
| 13:29:16 | AlexP | I vaguely remember the name |
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| 13:30:57 | AlexP | He's in CREDITS too |
| 13:31:33 | giovanni_ | and he wrote about a newer boot loader and I can't understand what he's talking about... any mail address? I couldn't find it |
| 13:33:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | stacker55: Ping, I forgot to ask you how your test of FS #11714 went last night. |
| 13:33:37 | * | JdGordon loves 5 line patches |
| 13:33:57 | JdGordon | who has a better name than android_ignore_back_button() to tell the os to handle the button? |
| 13:34:06 | JdGordon | this is a apps->firmware call |
| 13:36:42 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/sm25zNnQ |
| 13:38:23 | Zagor | does it make sense to abstract it away to something like "is_in_root_level" ? |
| 13:38:55 | Zagor | or main_menu |
| 13:40:34 | JdGordon | I dunno... |
| 13:40:53 | JdGordon | looks like the button/touch handling has broken again |
| 13:41:12 | Zagor | that would not make it so locked to this specific android fix |
| 13:41:34 | Zagor | gevaerts: can you do benchmark builds for the hdd6330 targets? |
| 13:41:50 | gevaerts | Zagor: I'll do a full benchmark set soon |
| 13:42:01 | Zagor | great |
| 13:42:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: How long does the front page take to refresh after an update? |
| 13:42:47 | JdGordon | Would anything else want to know if we are in the top menu or not? I can understand a finer level of knowing which screen we are in, but a yes/no for root seems a bit pointless for others |
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| 13:43:01 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: it runs a cron job every minute |
| 13:44:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: That's odd, then. I added the GoGear HDD16x0 to Unstable with r28458 but it's still not showing up on the front page as such. |
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| 13:44:40 | wodz | LambdaCalculus37: ping |
| 13:44:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Pong |
| 13:45:10 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: svn changes require pinging a Swede IIRC |
| 13:45:12 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: oh, *that* front page :-) that is not done automatically at all. you need to ping me or bagder. |
| 13:45:24 | Zagor | I thought you meant the svn table |
| 13:45:29 | wodz | have you tried build with FS #11712 on your archos? |
| 13:45:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Yes. It looks good on my Archos as well. |
| 13:45:59 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: done |
| 13:46:04 | wodz | is it player or recorder? |
| 13:46:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Recorder v1. |
| 13:46:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: \o/ |
| 13:46:55 | wodz | well that means I am still looking for volunteer with player/studio |
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| 13:47:28 | JdGordon | Zagor: holding down back in the tree will shoot past the main menu and get to the os.. do we want that? |
| 13:47:33 | JdGordon | working around that is going to be fiddly |
| 13:47:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: I'm going to promote the HDD6330 to Unstable later on as well today. Although the LCD refresh is a bit slow and some of the plugins suffer as a result, audio playback, recording, and FM radio work well enough that it can be considered usable for daily use. |
| 13:48:20 | Zagor | JdGordon: I'd say that is unexpected and hence undesired. |
| 13:48:38 | kugel | JdGordon: needing to press it twice in a row would make that easier to handle I think? |
| 13:48:42 | JdGordon | I agree.. but don't really want to fix the code :p |
| 13:49:04 | Zagor | do we really need to support back|repeat out of menus? |
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| 13:49:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Sadly I can't help there. I had to cannibalize my JB5000 for the hard drive to repair an old computer, and I have to find a spare hard drive for it. |
| 13:49:56 | kugel | JdGordon: is there a specific context just for the main menu? if yes then the action code could handle it, it knows better about button states |
| 13:50:37 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:51:47 | kugel | what is CONTEXT_MAINMENU? |
| 13:52:00 | JdGordon | unused probably |
| 13:52:15 | kugel | grep says no |
| 13:52:50 | kugel | seems to be used for all menus created with do_menu() |
| 13:55:49 | kugel | but do_menu() knows when it's in the main menu, perhaps you could put the code there |
| 13:56:28 | JdGordon | thats a bit more nasty than in root_menu() |
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| 14:02:56 | JdGordon | grr... something broke the View focus and now you once again have to use the ball to gives the view focus before the hardware buttons are sent to rockbox |
| 14:05:22 | kugel | it works with a build 50 revisions ago |
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| 14:08:20 | JdGordon | I think we need a very small queue in the android button driver... apparently the press/unpress can happen in the time of a single tick (which is why we were missing them before) but that makes actually waiting on longer presses difficult |
| 14:08:29 | JdGordon | that = the way we handle that issue |
| 14:09:20 | kugel | are you sure that's possible? |
| 14:10:04 | JdGordon | not 100% sure |
| 14:10:04 | kugel | that's a theoretical problem on all of our targets but 10ms were always fine-grained enough so that it wasn't a problem in practice, android shouldn't be different in that regard |
| 14:10:42 | kugel | hm, but maybe with the track ball it could beome a track ball, I don't know how android fires the up and down events for it |
| 14:11:55 | kugel | i thought we were missing them because the view was not focussed? |
| 14:13:26 | JdGordon | yes, almost all the press/unpresses are happning in the same tick |
| 14:14:14 | kugel | even with e.g. the menu button? |
| 14:14:23 | kugel | i can't really believe that. and it works fine for me |
| 14:14:56 | JdGordon | I'm going to add a dead simple fifo and see if that makes things better |
| 14:15:31 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/rmeUA959 the last number is the tick |
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| 14:17:01 | kugel | what button is that? |
| 14:17:37 | wodz | when I was testing time response for simple push switch in one of my project I found it hard to press for shorter than ~100ms |
| 14:17:49 | JdGordon | the ball |
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| 14:18:43 | kugel | directional or middle press? |
| 14:18:58 | kugel | ah, as I said I can imagine for the ball (directional) that works differently, I don't know what android does there |
| 14:19:02 | JdGordon | direction, hardware buttons seems to be ok, but they arent being used |
| 14:19:18 | kugel | but as repeat events aren't possible with it anyway we could simply only listen to UP events |
| 14:19:52 | kugel | like done with the multimedia keys (where I know from cyanogenmod that UP and DOWN are fired without delay between) |
| 14:21:45 | JdGordon | yeah, that would work |
| 14:23:04 | PurlingNayuki | I'm using Onda VX747. I updated to the newest daily build, but after that when I tried to play musics it returns TLB Exception... |
| 14:23:39 | AlexP | giovanni_: ^^^^ |
| 14:23:56 | giovanni_ | ehy? |
| 14:24:08 | giovanni_ | ok |
| 14:24:20 | giovanni_ | Hi PurlingNayuki |
| 14:24:31 | PurlingNayuki | Hi.. |
| 14:24:33 | giovanni_ | I've seen you've edited the vx7x7 wiki |
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| 14:25:05 | giovanni_ | You've wrote that Rockbox cannot display correctly on VX777 but that's no true |
| 14:25:50 | PurlingNayuki | I don't know, but I've got many reports like this... |
| 14:26:07 | PurlingNayuki | OK, I'll edit it as 'some VX777s' . |
| 14:26:55 | giovanni_ | no, it runs correctly |
| 14:27:02 | giovanni_ | on all vx777 |
| 14:27:22 | Zagor | giovanni_: how can you claim that? |
| 14:27:41 | PurlingNayuki | But look at the pictures. |
| 14:28:14 | PurlingNayuki | giovanni_: Which build of Rockbox you're using? |
| 14:29:15 | giovanni_ | the photo you place in the wiki, it happens when you build the boot loader without define USB_BOOT in autoconf.h |
| 14:29:59 | Zagor | giovanni_: good answer :-) |
| 14:30:25 | giovanni_ | I remember a guy in the forums having the same problem |
| 14:31:55 | PurlingNayuki | Thanks, I'll check it after my midterm exam. |
| 14:32:09 | giovanni_ | ok :D |
| 14:32:53 | giovanni_ | instead this, I can't get the OF boot |
| 14:33:02 | giovanni_ | no dual boot here |
| 14:33:55 | PurlingNayuki | No dual-boot? |
| 14:34:15 | giovanni_ | No, I can use only rockbox |
| 14:34:32 | giovanni_ | and, well, it's not a big problem |
| 14:35:01 | CIA-7 | New commit by teru (r28474): FS #11673: picture flow: improve scrolling text, by myself. ... |
| 14:35:39 | PurlingNayuki | Well, it's not a problem for me either. But many people on my forum use the OF... |
| 14:36:45 | CIA-7 | r28474 build result: All green |
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| 14:42:38 | PurlingNayuki | giovanni_: I'm still wondering what build of Rockbox you're using? |
| 14:42:56 | giovanni_ | One of the latest build |
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| 14:44:02 | giovanni_ | dual boot maybe works only on the vx747? |
| 14:44:08 | wodz | pixelma: ping |
| 14:47:04 | PurlingNayuki | giovanni_: Can you play musics on the latest build? I just got a 'TLB Exception'. |
| 14:47:20 | giovanni_ | yes, I'm testing it right now |
| 14:47:48 | PurlingNayuki | BTW: giovanni_: BTW, do you have Gmail? |
| 14:47:52 | giovanni_ | yes |
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| 14:48:33 | PurlingNayuki | Please add me in gmail. |
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| 14:49:06 | giovanni_ | I need your address |
| 14:49:25 | PurlingNayuki | Oh, it's in my Wiki profile. |
| 14:52:22 | JdGordon | AAAARRRRRRRR looks like it might have been a keymap problem the whole time instead of a driver one |
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| 14:54:40 | giovanni_ | I can't see your gmail account in the wiki profile |
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| 14:55:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | giovanni_, PurlingNayuki: If you guys need to speak in private, you can PM each other. |
| 14:56:58 | PurlingNayuki | My Gmail is cyq.yzfl@gmail.com |
| 14:57:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | PurlingNayuki: I don't think that's the sort of information you want to put on an IRC channel with a log. Just letting you know. ;) |
| 14:58:16 | giovanni_ | add |
| 14:59:19 | Utchybann | TheSeven: on nano2g (r28451), when plugging an usb cable while holding the menu button, the sound freeze and/or seems to play /dev/random. It used to work fine a few month ago. |
| 14:59:58 | Utchybann | TheSeven: sorry, I don't have a more precise release that still work fine. |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:54 | * | TheSeven will have a check |
| 15:01:21 | PurlingNayuki | LambdaCalculus37: No problem. I have many other e-mail address. |
| 15:01:38 | PurlingNayuki | LambdaCalculus37: Thanks for your notify. |
| 15:02:23 | Utchybann | TheSeven: thanks. If you need more info, just ask. |
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| 15:05:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor, Bagder: In a few minutes, I'm going to go promote the GoGear HDD63x0 series to Unstable as well. Once I do that, I'll let you guys know so you can update the front page. |
| 15:06:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:07:35 | JdGordon | AlexP: Umm... where are users supposed to discuss issues if not in the new ports thread? |
| 15:07:56 | JdGordon | it isnt unstable so it doesnt go in the main forum, but it needs to go somewhere |
| 15:08:05 | AlexP | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21176.0 |
| 15:08:13 | AlexP | They aren't |
| 15:08:29 | AlexP | If it is stable enough that we do support, it should be in the main forum |
| 15:08:42 | AlexP | New Ports is and always has been for development only |
| 15:08:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | AlexP: Yes, and I've already locked the thread for the HDD16x0 since it's now Unstable. |
| 15:08:56 | AlexP | We can of course discuss changing that |
| 15:08:57 | PurlingNayuki | A good rule, isn't it? |
| 15:09:05 | AlexP | But currently it is that |
| 15:09:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | AlexP: Actually, we need a new subforum for Manual Installation on the GoGear series. |
| 15:09:23 | JdGordon | then android should be unstable |
| 15:09:24 | JdGordon | at the very least |
| 15:09:31 | AlexP | OK, cool |
| 15:09:38 | AlexP | I have no knowledge of where it is |
| 15:09:48 | PurlingNayuki | BTW, can anyone set Onda VX747 as unstable? |
| 15:09:49 | AlexP | LambdaCalculus37: You need scorche for that |
| 15:10:09 | JdGordon | no |
| 15:10:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | AlexP: I'll get his attention then. |
| 15:10:41 | JdGordon | PurlingNayuki: the onda VX747 had a change 2 days ago which prohibits it going up to unstable... |
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| 15:11:42 | PurlingNayuki | What is it? |
| 15:11:51 | giovanni_ | PurlingNayuki: I've added you to gmail. |
| 15:12:06 | PurlingNayuki | I see. |
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| 15:14:13 | PurlingNayuki | I gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye. |
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| 15:14:20 | PurlingNayuki | I gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye. |
| 15:14:24 | giovanni_ | Bye |
| 15:14:24 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK PurlingNayuki |
| 15:14:24 | PurlingNayuki | I gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye. |
| 15:14:32 | PurlingNayuki | I gonna sleep. I' going to get up early tomorrow. Good bye. |
| 15:15:26 | AlexP | PurlingNayuki: I think we got it :) |
| 15:15:27 | JdGordon | Zagor: I have back working perfectly but the dpad directions are totoally broken :( |
| 15:15:34 | JdGordon | I cant figure out how to make the button tick handle buttons which dont have any time between the press and unpress |
| 15:15:34 | JdGordon | action.c will ignore buttons when changing screens untill a BUTTON_REL comes in |
| 15:15:45 | TheSeven | Utchybann: i can reproduce it, but can't think of a possible target-dependent reason. |
| 15:15:53 | TheSeven | is this kind of thing happening on other targets as well? |
| 15:16:05 | AlexP | JdGordon: Does android meet http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications ? |
| 15:16:26 | AlexP | If not I guess it is just that someone needs to write some instructions on the wiki |
| 15:16:37 | JdGordon | yes |
| 15:16:48 | JdGordon | seen as the last 4 points arnet relevant |
| 15:17:18 | AlexP | Install isn't relevant? |
| 15:17:42 | AlexP | Or just that all android apps install the same way |
| 15:18:15 | Bagder | it could be mentioned as long as people don't do it from the market |
| 15:18:24 | TheSeven | can one try to reproduce that bug (playback freezing or garbled when plugging in usb in charging mode) on a different target? |
| 15:18:32 | AlexP | JdGordon: And why isn't a page explaining the state of the port relevant? |
| 15:18:38 | JdGordon | well it isnt on the market yet, installing is download the apk and run it |
| 15:18:57 | AlexP | Do we provide apk builds? |
| 15:19:00 | JdGordon | because I'm asleep and missed that point (which is covered anyway) |
| 15:19:04 | JdGordon | semi-officially |
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| 15:20:07 | AlexP | OK, well if you chaps who work on it/use it feel it is unstable then great - promote it and ask scorche for an installation sub forum |
| 15:21:10 | n1s | gcc 4.5.1 works fine for coldfire too |
| 15:21:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | AlexP: Speaking of installation sub forums, I've noticed that we don't have one for Samsung devices, either! |
| 15:21:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Looks like scorche's got some work to do. ;) |
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| 15:26:09 | JdGordon | android really doesnt need a install sub forum :p |
| 15:26:20 | AlexP | no, true |
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| 15:26:43 | * | gevaerts doubts that |
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| 15:26:58 | AlexP | It could maybe do with a compiling/installing one though |
| 15:27:00 | n1s | 4.5 actually produces somewhat smaller code than 3.4 too in contrast of 4.4 which produces larger code vorbis is still slower than 3.4 though :/ |
| 15:27:10 | AlexP | how much? |
| 15:27:56 | n1s | ~2MHz for a 128k file, so not terribly but it sucks because it's my main codec |
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| 15:29:51 | TheSeven | what are they actually doing differently? |
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| 15:31:16 | Utchybann | TheSeven: I will try to reproduce it on my mini2g tonight. |
| 15:31:21 | JdGordon | can we change the menu button to be back to wps instead of context menu? |
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| 15:35:00 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r28475): Remote android button handling (again). do the press/unpress more like other targets (i.e correctly). The DPAD is special in that the press/unpress ... |
| 15:36:50 | CIA-7 | r28475 build result: All green |
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| 15:37:24 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28476): Promote the Philips GoGear HDD63x0 series to Unstable. |
| 15:38:22 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r28477): Reflect the Philips GoGear HDD63x0 series as being Unstable ... |
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| 15:39:32 | LambdaCalculus3_ | Zagor, Bagder: Ping, just updated www/index.t again. The GoGear HDD63x0 series is officially Unstable now. |
| 15:40:15 | CIA-7 | r28477 build result: All green |
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| 15:49:08 | stacker55 | LambdaCalculus37: i had/have to upgrade the vmware environment because it does not have the arm-elf compilers needed, and the update chain for aptitude is a bit foobarred, so i haven't been able to test yet. |
| 15:50:40 | Zagor | LambdaCalculus37: updated |
| 15:50:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | Zagor: Many thanks. :) |
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| 16:00:18 | * | LambdaCalculus37 should now start some manual work and perhaps look into adding install support for the GoGears into Rockbox Utility |
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| 17:10:39 | Ra1nbow | I finally got rockbox to work... had to reformat my entire ipod |
| 17:10:53 | Ra1nbow | but it is working perfect and is completely and utterly awesome |
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| 17:15:02 | Stummi | Ra1nbow, congratulations :) |
| 17:15:20 | Ra1nbow | Stummi: I managed to do it over lunch, lol |
| 17:15:30 | Ra1nbow | these things are always much easier on Windows >.> |
| 17:15:51 | Ra1nbow | anyway, i've been having fun playing about with it |
| 17:16:00 | Stummi | Hm, for me its easier on GNU/Linux |
| 17:16:22 | Ra1nbow | Stummi: Ubuntu never bothered to tell me that my iPod was corrupt and needed a format |
| 17:16:32 | Ra1nbow | if it had then I'd have done it in 5 minutes, lol |
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| 17:19:30 | Ra1nbow | also I have a funny feeling that I'm getting a lot more music crammed onto my iPod now |
| 17:19:42 | Ra1nbow | .ogg must be smaller than .m4a |
| 17:19:57 | n1s | Ra1nbow: depends on the bitrate but please, this is off topic |
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| 17:36:00 | y4n | Can I transfer files to Clip+ while Rockbox is on? |
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| 17:54:35 | dfkt | y4n, there is no USB support for the clip+ yet |
| 17:54:42 | AlexP | y4n: Boot the OF for now |
| 17:54:48 | y4n | ah I see, thanks |
| 17:55:06 | y4n | last.fm log feature is great |
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| 17:55:39 | Stummi | y4n, there is an experimental patch for usb-support on clip+ |
| 17:55:44 | Stummi | you could try this if you want |
| 17:55:53 | y4n | I think I'll pass, thanks :) |
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| 17:56:13 | Stummi | ok |
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| 18:05:10 | EvanCarroll | is there a way to plug in my usb so that charge-mode only applies. |
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| 18:05:23 | EvanCarroll | (is there a trick like holding a button) |
| 18:05:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | EvanCarroll: What player? |
| 18:05:49 | EvanCarroll | amsv2 |
| 18:06:03 | EvanCarroll | Sansa AMS e280v2 =) |
| 18:06:26 | pixelma | USB patched build or not? |
| 18:06:52 | EvanCarroll | I assume it was from 3.7 trunk |
| 18:09:48 | EvanCarroll | actually i just plugged it in while playing a sound it seems to have worked |
| 18:09:50 | EvanCarroll | nifty |
| 18:10:47 | pixelma | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200v2/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-370003.3 |
| 18:13:00 | pixelma | I'm not sure though if this applies to your player but some of the newer Sansa ports that don't have Rockbox USB yet will currently just stay in Rockbox if you plug USB while Rockbox is already running (it used to reboot into the OF but because this lead to some serious freezing problems for some people it was disabled) |
| 18:16:25 | EvanCarroll | aparently the deal is the big button while pluggin it in puts it in charge only mode |
| 18:16:56 | EvanCarroll | if i plug it in while playing a track RB will expose the drive, and usb controls trigger automount and stop the playback |
| 18:17:03 | EvanCarroll | the big button continues playback and just charges |
| 18:17:05 | EvanCarroll | =) very nice |
| 18:17:44 | pixelma | the big button is called Select and the above linked section of our nice manual explains it ;) |
| 18:19:01 | EvanCarroll | I know.. I should read it. |
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| 18:19:38 | EvanCarroll | I take for granted that it can do all kinds of cool shit, because I generally just want it to do simple stuff, and I'm used to not reading manuals because the OF doesn't do anything I can't figure out right away anyway. |
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| 19:02:29 | CIA-7 | New commit by alle (r28478): Manual: Bring the opts in the manual in line with ifdefs in the code |
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| 19:03:56 | fml | AlexP: now it should be worth backporting :-) |
| 19:04:17 | AlexP | Please do :) |
| 19:04:25 | CIA-7 | r28478 build result: All green |
| 19:04:31 | pixelma | I was just considering starting to work on that ;) |
| 19:05:11 | fml | AlexP: I don't know how |
| 19:05:22 | AlexP | just checkout the 3.7 branch and commit to that |
| 19:05:27 | AlexP | I can do it for this one |
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| 19:05:38 | AlexP | But if your going to do lots of fixes it'd be nice :) |
| 19:05:44 | AlexP | *you're |
| 19:06:06 | AlexP | fml: Don't worry for this though, I'll do it - it isn't worth you checking out for just this |
| 19:07:04 | Drise | Since S_a_i_n_t seems abesnt at the moment: I have finished compiling the toolchains on cygwin. Now what do I do? |
| 19:07:16 | fml | AlexP: ok, I'll do in the future. Or I won't do any fixes for some time ;-) |
| 19:07:25 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 19:07:31 | AlexP | I don't mind actually :) |
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| 19:12:09 | CIA-7 | New commit by alex (r28479): Backport r28478 - Manual: Bring the opts in the manual in line with ifdefs in the code |
| 19:12:13 | AlexP | fml: cheers :) |
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| 19:13:23 | Alchimysta | TheLemonMan it is no? |
| 19:13:41 | pixelma | did I invent a backport commit message style? :) |
| 19:14:21 | pixelma | fml: thanks, btw. and nice to see you here |
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| 19:16:39 | fml | pixelma: :-) I was here yesterday but not for long |
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| 19:32:31 | Utchybann | TheSeven: no playback freezing or garbled when plugging in usb in charging mode on my mini2g (r28451). |
| 19:33:16 | Utchybann | TheSeven: rockbox compiled from the same source tree on the same computer (same version of gcc). |
| 19:33:51 | Utchybann | TheSeven: arm-elf-eabi-gcc (GCC) 4.4.4 |
| 19:33:53 | TheSeven | hm |
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| 19:44:52 | Mobius-1 | Greetings. Does the Fuze V2 have support for Screendump? |
| 19:45:44 | Mobius-1 | I've checked the Fuze V2 manual and the page explaining screendump. |
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| 19:49:19 | Utchybann | TheSeven: r28285 is also affected by the issue. |
| 19:49:59 | TheSeven | is it also present in the 3.7 release binary? |
| 19:54:49 | Utchybann | TheSeven: r24645 is not affected. |
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| 19:59:03 | Utchybann | 3.7 is also affected. |
| 19:59:53 | Utchybann | stoping playback and starting it again unfreeze the platback. pause/unpause have not affect. |
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| 20:00:17 | sandman06 | hi everyone |
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| 20:04:33 | sandman06 | when will toshiba gigabeat S be supported in the rock box utility installation |
| 20:04:49 | sandman06 | the port has been completed and everything is green 100% |
| 20:05:48 | AlexP | when someone does whatever work is needed |
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| 20:05:56 | AlexP | And it isn't complete |
| 20:06:14 | AlexP | There are problems with single boot bootloader on newer OF versions |
| 20:06:24 | AlexP | and the battery life is a bit shit |
| 20:06:35 | AlexP | (neither of which are necessarily show stoppers) |
| 20:07:07 | sandman06 | lol ok |
| 20:07:38 | AlexP | It principally just needs someone to do the work |
| 20:08:50 | sandman06 | well i made a royal mistake of buying it. orginally i had a sansa e280 and scroll button broke, so i decided to buy the gigabeat i should of researched more |
| 20:09:22 | AlexP | The S would be quite nice with a better battery and a not so stupid OF bootloader |
| 20:09:33 | sandman06 | i would buy another sansa e280 but i really hate the scroll button navigation |
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| 20:10:49 | sandman06 | I take it you have a gigabeat S ? |
| 20:10:55 | AlexP | among others |
| 20:16:31 | sandman06 | i might put it back on fleabay |
| 20:16:49 | sandman06 | and get another players that is better supported in terms of hardware/development |
| 20:17:04 | AlexP | It is pretty much as supported as anything else |
| 20:17:11 | AlexP | All the hardware works etc. |
| 20:17:15 | AlexP | What are you missing? |
| 20:17:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | sandman06: The Gigabeat S works well enough for daily use, except for the battery life and slightly funny bootloader like AlexP mentioned. |
| 20:17:33 | sandman06 | the battery life wasnt what i was expecting |
| 20:17:48 | sandman06 | coming from a sansa e280 |
| 20:17:51 | AlexP | yeah, but Rockbox isn't that much worse than the OF |
| 20:17:56 | sandman06 | i like really long battery life |
| 20:18:06 | AlexP | So it isn't so much a supported issue, as a hardware thing |
| 20:18:35 | sandman06 | yes when you mention OF version |
| 20:18:35 | AlexP | I haven't measured for a long time though |
| 20:18:39 | sandman06 | u meaning the new 1.3 |
| 20:18:48 | sandman06 | or does it affect 1.2 as well |
| 20:18:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was using a Gigabeat S for a good year and a half and never had any real issues with it at all. |
| 20:19:06 | AlexP | yes, it causes issues with the Rockbox single boot bootloader, but dual is fine |
| 20:19:16 | AlexP | 1.3 for sure, 1.2 don't know |
| 20:19:19 | sandman06 | i mainly bought it for its screen size and powefull cpu/ram |
| 20:21:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | sandman06: You know you can get a higher capacity battery for the Gigabeat S, right? |
| 20:21:36 | AlexP | LambdaCalculus37: Yes, but it is still crap compared to other targets |
| 20:21:42 | sandman06 | from ebay ? |
| 20:21:51 | AlexP | and other places |
| 20:22:00 | sandman06 | whats the mah capcity |
| 20:22:07 | AlexP | whatever you can get |
| 20:22:14 | AlexP | I have a 1000 mAh in mine |
| 20:22:22 | AlexP | (orig is 700 I think) |
| 20:22:48 | sandman06 | can i ask, what preference do you have in terms of a player |
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| 20:23:18 | AlexP | Depends what you want - size, capacity, radio, rec, etc. etc. |
| 20:23:41 | sandman06 | i really miss my mic from my sansa e series. just a shame it has a shit navigate control |
| 20:24:04 | AlexP | I mostly use a gigabeat F, last one I'd get rid of is an iriver H100, then I have various flash ones I use from time to time |
| 20:25:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | I use my iPod video and Archos JBRv1; I swapped the hard drive in my iPod video for a 32GB CF card, and upgraded the HDD in my JBRv1 to 80GB. |
| 20:26:21 | sandman06 | what about the read/write issue |
| 20:26:28 | sandman06 | wont that wear ur cf card down |
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| 20:31:42 | bertrik | What read/write issue? |
| 20:32:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | sandman06: What read/write issue? And my CF card's still working with no issues. |
| 20:32:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox doesn't damage CF cards. |
| 20:32:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | (At least it hasn't done so to mine!) |
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| 20:34:05 | sandman06 | CF have short life span |
| 20:34:18 | sandman06 | especially when written to alot |
| 20:35:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | sandman06: Yeah, if you buy cheap-o CF cards. My iPod video has a Transcend 133x 32GB CF card in it that I bought two years ago. It's still working. |
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| 20:36:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | Anyway, I've said my bit and I'm done here. |
| 20:38:50 | sandman06 | thanks guys for the info. Ive searched on the forum regarding gigabeat S and its status and nothing |
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| 20:39:03 | sandman06 | I guess its just a waiting game untill it gets done |
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| 20:48:44 | Alchimysta | What is make.inc? |
| 20:49:10 | AlexP | sandman06: The only way to make anything happen is to do it |
| 20:49:33 | AlexP | Nobody is doing anything specifically beast related that I'm aware of |
| 20:49:49 | BdN3504 | Just a friendly reminder: By clicking on the link "All commits -> since last release" on rockbox.org main page all changes since june 30th are displayed. |
| 20:50:32 | BdN3504 | I understood the last release was on October 30th, so you might want to change that |
| 20:51:00 | Alchimysta | When I compile the plugin, the file make.inc cyngwin asks me, where is it? |
| 20:51:40 | AlexP | BdN3504: Yeah, it needs updating |
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| 20:56:13 | Alchimysta | When I compile the plugin, the file make.inc cyngwin asks me, where is it? |
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| 21:39:44 | tcm1998 | hi all |
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| 21:58:40 | wodz | AlexP, pixelma: how to prepare screenshots? Just grab screenshot of the sim or there is some other preferred route? |
| 21:58:52 | AlexP | sadly no |
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| 21:59:26 | AlexP | rasher was working on something more automated for the sim at one point but I don't think he finished, so for now it is just the sim |
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| 22:00:09 | AlexP | It isn't too bad for one target actually, it is a bigger pain in the arse if you want to do e.g. one plugin for all targets |
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| 22:00:33 | wodz | How are treated targets with non square pixels? Should I rescale the screenshot or just leave it as is? |
| 22:00:54 | AlexP | not sure, I've never done one :) |
| 22:01:03 | bluebroth3r | AlexP: sorry, been away the last couple of days but for completeness: Rockbox Utility handles the single Ipod Video fine since the latest release |
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| 22:01:19 | AlexP | bluebroth3r: cheers ) |
| 22:02:16 | n1s | wodz: iirc the archos bitmap targets have nonsquare pixels but the screenshots anre not rescaled |
| 22:02:24 | n1s | s/anre/are/ |
| 22:02:38 | bluebroth3r | and I agree that the recommendation for release in Rockbox Utility might be a good idea to get replaced with an improved hint that also links to the release notes |
| 22:03:08 | wodz | n1s: that answers my question, thanks |
| 22:03:11 | Alchimysta | Have trovated information in readmen of infones: 1: extract the source files to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/ines 2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs 3: make in your $BUILD directory (as you usually would) 4: add "nes,games/ines" to you /.rockbox/viewer.config file on your DAP |
| 22:03:41 | bluebroth3r | though I still want to rework the UI completely to make the difference clearer (and also support it better for the other parts, especially the bootloader installation) |
| 22:04:06 | wodz | AlexP: screenshots are small pain compared to keymaps for plugins. |
| 22:04:21 | AlexP | they are both pains :) |
| 22:10:00 | Alchimysta | help me!!! |
| 22:10:43 | AlexP | Alchimysta: You haven't asked a question |
| 22:11:11 | Alchimysta | Can you explain in more simple words this phrase? 2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs2: add "ines" to $ROCKBOX/apps/plugins/Subdirs |
| 22:11:41 | AlexP | open those files and add "ines" to them |
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| 22:22:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: it's all here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 22:22:56 | S_a_i_n_t | (this assumes a working environment, and a checked out copy of the RB source) |
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| 22:24:00 | S_a_i_n_t | [10:22] <S_a_i_n_t> Drise: it's all here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 22:24:00 | S_a_i_n_t | [10:23] <S_a_i_n_t> (this assumes a working environment, and a checked out copy of the RB source) |
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| 22:27:37 | Drise | Thank you. |
| 22:28:20 | Drise | A working envir? (I have svn updated) |
| 22:29:11 | S_a_i_n_t | IF the toolchain succeeded, then everything else should also. If you want to build the simulator though, you will need to compile SDL from source also. |
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| 22:33:45 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: may I bug you again about 'charging' graphic? |
| 22:34:03 | Drise | I'm having issues with it finding the files to patch.... Where should I run the patch rogram? |
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| 22:34:53 | AlexP | Drise: usually in the source root, but it depends where the person made the patch |
| 22:35:22 | AlexP | try "patch -p0 < patch.diff" then "patch -p1 < patch.diff" etc. |
| 22:35:44 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: Sure, I think the simplest thing to do would be for you to see if you can find an image you would like me to work from, I'm not entirely sure what you'd like it to look like as a finished result. |
| 22:36:21 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: The battery you have shown is quite ok for me |
| 22:36:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: Typically, patches created using svn will be "patch.exe -p0 <blah>.patch/diff, and patches created using git will be -p0 |
| 22:36:45 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: You said you have some idea how to tweak it |
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| 22:37:21 | Drise | p1 made it happy.. |
| 22:38:18 | Drise | and if im'm using two patches, should i use a -R? |
| 22:38:25 | Drise | (it is asking me) |
| 22:38:27 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: One thing I was unsure of is whether or not you will be representing just the charging state, or a "charger connected" state also. |
| 22:38:33 | AlexP | Drise: no, -R undoes a patch |
| 22:38:39 | AlexP | Drise: Just apply both |
| 22:38:57 | AlexP | (or try, they might conflict, depends what they are) |
| 22:39:21 | S_a_i_n_t | if it is asking you "assume -R?" (on a clean tree) then that code is already in SVN |
| 22:39:33 | Drise | Ok. |
| 22:39:52 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: Charging state and Battery Full or something like this at the end of the charging |
| 22:40:52 | Drise | Hunk#1 failed? |
| 22:40:59 | AlexP | patch is out of sync |
| 22:41:10 | S_a_i_n_t | iiuc most (or all?) RB hardware can detect charger present, but not currently charging...most/some themes like to represent this, I wasn't sure if you wanted to do this also. |
| 22:41:12 | AlexP | the code that the patch effects has changed in the meantime |
| 22:41:16 | S_a_i_n_t | wodz: ^ |
| 22:41:26 | Drise | hmm.... i do I get a clean copy of svn? |
| 22:41:30 | AlexP | Drise: Unfortunately for you, this means you have to dig into the patch manually |
| 22:41:36 | csu | whats the most default rockbox theme? |
| 22:41:39 | AlexP | Drise: "svn revert -R ." IIRC |
| 22:41:44 | AlexP | csu: cabbie v2 |
| 22:41:48 | S_a_i_n_t | drise: s"svn revert -R ." |
| 22:42:00 | csu | thanks alex |
| 22:42:03 | S_a_i_n_t | - the first s ;) |
| 22:42:34 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: What patch are you applying? |
| 22:42:39 | Drise | "Skipped..." |
| 22:42:40 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: this is for bootloader so it will be only in this two states |
| 22:42:51 | S_a_i_n_t | aha, right. |
| 22:43:06 | Drise | Out of all the times I've worked with svn, this is being most troublesome. |
| 22:43:32 | csu | alex: would u say its the best theme to run? (one that uses the least resources etc) |
| 22:43:48 | Drise | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11664?type=4 |
| 22:43:56 | AlexP | csu: Doesn't really have much effect without peakmeters I'd say |
| 22:44:16 | AlexP | Not that you would really notice |
| 22:44:24 | S_a_i_n_t | csu: The theme that uses the least resources is undoubtedly rockbox_failsafe |
| 22:44:28 | S_a_i_n_t | but it's *ugly* |
| 22:44:45 | AlexP | csu: Fewer images/animations/sublines etc., but you would probably not actually notice any difference |
| 22:45:00 | S_a_i_n_t | that's the theme you will see if loading a theme goes wrong, but you can select it yourself also. |
| 22:45:10 | AlexP | I don't think it is worth it |
| 22:45:20 | AlexP | Also, that has peakmeters doesn't it? |
| 22:45:24 | AlexP | So it is probably bad |
| 22:45:38 | csu | i noticed there's a new skin format with the 3.7, so i just want to run a theme thats most up to date. |
| 22:45:53 | AlexP | That doesn't mean much |
| 22:46:05 | AlexP | As long as it has been updated to the new format it doesn't really matter |
| 22:46:31 | csu | i know. thats why i wanted to run the most default theme that comes from rockbox itself. |
| 22:46:42 | AlexP | default theme is cabbie v2 |
| 22:46:47 | S_a_i_n_t | if the theme runs, it's been updates. |
| 22:46:54 | S_a_i_n_t | *updated |
| 22:46:59 | AlexP | But really, just go with anything that works that looks like you want |
| 22:47:04 | S_a_i_n_t | all the themes packaged with rockbox have been. |
| 22:47:41 | csu | saint: issue is i updated, but all the previous themes (i ctrl+a's all) is still there from previous updates. |
| 22:48:00 | AlexP | you can just delete them |
| 22:48:26 | Drise | S_a_i_n_t, Do I need both patches for this? |
| 22:48:38 | csu | i think im gonna stick with cabbiev2, its good enough. :D |
| 22:49:13 | csu | i wish there was a way to use the ipod while its being charged. |
| 22:49:16 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: Yes. |
| 22:49:20 | AlexP | csu: there is |
| 22:49:24 | S_a_i_n_t | csu: read the manual |
| 22:49:36 | csu | The "Charge during USB connection" option now has a "force" setting. <- whats the force setting? |
| 22:49:39 | AlexP | just hold (I think) menu when connecting usb, the manual explains this |
| 22:50:44 | * | Buschel sighs |
| 22:50:53 | csu | alex; you're right. thanks! |
| 22:50:57 | * | Drise is wholly confused... |
| 22:51:22 | Buschel | not too easy to find a way to exploit the vast amount of iram to achieve faster codecs on S5L870x |
| 22:51:50 | * | Drise is lagging +90 again... |
| 22:52:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: what is it that is confising you? |
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| 22:53:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: I'm looking at FS #11716 now, ~5% is nothing to be sneezed at. |
| 22:53:23 | wodz | csu: force means that if USB enumeration is unsuccessful the fallback is 500mA (in order to support dumb chargers). This is potentially dangerous if you connect dap to laptop and host controller hangs for some reason |
| 22:53:55 | Drise | http://pastebin.com/bF96dxJA |
| 22:54:16 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t: yep, but I did not find any other codec where I could further improve the performance |
| 22:54:24 | Buschel | yet... |
| 22:54:30 | csu | thx wodz |
| 22:54:59 | AlexP | Drise: It looks like you are trying to apply two versions of a patch, or two patches that do the same thing |
| 22:55:05 | AlexP | Neither of these will work |
| 22:55:15 | AlexP | Where is the patch you want from? |
| 22:55:36 | S_a_i_n_t | you don't have to apply both *sets* of patches, just the two from that latest version. |
| 22:57:52 | S_a_i_n_t | the clean SVN definitely doesn't include the code from that hunk...so you have already applied the patch |
| 22:58:58 | S_a_i_n_t | *v2-enable-usb.diff is apparently already in your tree. |
| 22:59:14 | Drise | Alright... then why two patches? Is one unessessary? |
| 22:59:14 | Drise | Oh! |
| 22:59:23 | Drise | One is for usb with failures and the other is usb corrected... |
| 22:59:32 | Drise | My apologies. |
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| 23:00:02 | S_a_i_n_t | there are two patches in each set, you need to install both patches from each set...but not both sets. |
| 23:00:46 | S_a_i_n_t | you want to install the two patches approximately halfway down that page |
| 23:00:51 | Drise | Alright, now that I have applied the usb patch, what is next? (Or just continue to the website?) |
| 23:00:52 | S_a_i_n_t | and not the two up the top. |
| 23:01:11 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: just compile as normal. |
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| 23:02:28 | Buschel | anybody with an iPod 4g, color or nano 1g willing to test fs#11707 ? |
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| 23:04:24 | Drise | I installed the newer ones, the ones half way down, but they still give me the error. I installed the *vs-usb.diff |
| 23:04:28 | Drise | only. |
| 23:05:14 | Drise | I'm currently running the make file. |
| 23:05:40 | * | Drise will be leaving soon, as class is ending ~10 mins. |
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| 23:10:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Drise: That isn't going to work. Start with a clean SVN checkout by using the command "svn revert -R ." in the root of your source checkout. |
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| 23:10:43 | S_a_i_n_t | then install *both* http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11664?getfile=22652 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11664?getfile=22653 |
| 23:10:48 | S_a_i_n_t | gah... |
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| 23:12:57 | wodz | AlexP: what is the convention for screenshots - with backlight on or off? |
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| 23:22:45 | pixelma | wodz: IIRC the screenshots are all saved with the "backlight on" colours |
| 23:22:51 | pixelma | automatically |
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| 23:23:27 | pixelma | if you use Rockbox' screendump functions (F5 in the sim) |
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| 23:23:38 | wodz | I see |
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