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03:20:19	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: What do you (or others) think about the "Rb" icon for the Android launcher icon?
03:20:27	S_a_i_n_t	Or is the clef what is definitely wanted here?
03:21:15	JdGordon\|	I don't really care all that much as long as it looks good
03:21:29	JdGordon\|	the clef seems to be used much more in the website, but the rb logo is nice also
03:22:26	S_a_i_n_t	I just think it's be nice to make use of the Rb with higher res screens
03:22:32	S_a_i_n_t	*it'd
03:22:44	S_a_i_n_t	the clef I will almost certainly use for the smaller icons
03:24:12	JdGordon\|	well there is a good argument for using the same loo on all targets/screens/everywhere
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03:44:47	JdGordon\|	S_a_i_n_t: got a pic of the rb logo you want to use?
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03:45:12	S_a_i_n_t	\rbutil\icons IIRC
03:45:31	JdGordon\|	rbutil uses it?
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03:45:44	S_a_i_n_t	rbutil\rbutilqt\icons
03:46:18	S_a_i_n_t	....something wrong?
03:46:46	JdGordon\|	if rbutil was already using it android should have used it from the start then
03:46:55	JdGordon\|	and the website icon also
03:47:05	S_a_i_n_t	ah.
03:47:10	S_a_i_n_t	...Hmmm, ok.
03:47:14	JdGordon\|	thee isnt much point in a logo if it isnt used consistantly
03:47:28	S_a_i_n_t	the way I see it, there's 3 logos :/
03:47:49	S_a_i_n_t	the clef, the "full" rockbox logo (forums/mainpage/etc., and the "Rb"
03:48:23	JdGordon\|	how does the Rb one look at the small size?
03:51:52	S_a_i_n_t	It could be pulled off at 22x22...(actually 20x20 -2px "safety buffer" as they call it that all icons need include)
03:52:55	JdGordon\|	this is definitaly one of those fun discussions with no right answer and no possibility of keeping everyone happy :/
03:54:44	S_a_i_n_t	indeed.
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04:52:21	Dhraakellian	pre-alpha Rockbox on alpha-quality android
04:52:26	Dhraakellian	what could possibly go wrong?
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05:05:12	KiwiCam	I have created an animation on my theme and I have an idea for it, but don't know how to proceed, or even if it can be done. You'd be best to check it out in the simulator http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1121&target=sansaclipv2 for what it does. Can I turn that into a progress bar? How?
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05:07:36	JdGordon\|	what's your actual question?
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05:10:42	KiwiCam	Sorry. If you press the H for hold you'll see the animation. It's the same bitmap repeated three times and set to cycle through randomly, kind of. Is there any way I can turn all that into a progress bar?
05:13:38	KiwiCam	Two other questions. Shall I ask them now?
05:14:00	S_a_i_n_t	Unless you can think of a better time
05:16:47	S_a_i_n_t	KiwiCam: ?
05:16:54	S_a_i_n_t	The suspense is killing me...
05:17:40	KiwiCam	Could someone please explain in simple terms what a Glyph is? How much further can I go with my theme memory-wise? I've only got about 3KB left under system/rockbox info. There's shedloads I want to do with this theme. Also, if I start working on the FM screen say, does that have it's own memory limit? (I can't count).
05:18:20	S_a_i_n_t	all theme elements need to reside in the same skin buffer
05:18:27	KiwiCam	Sorry. I'm a little worse for weather right now. Hard to type fast and get brain into gear.
05:18:30	S_a_i_n_t	and a "glyph" is what you're seeing now.
05:18:38	S_a_i_n_t	ie. one item of a font set
05:19:01	S_a_i_n_t	a character in a font, like a, b, c etc.
05:19:07	S_a_i_n_t	all "glyphs"
05:19:41	KiwiCam	Brilliant. Thanks. Now, skin buffer?
05:20:02	S_a_i_n_t	3Kb is essentially nothing.
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05:20:59	S_a_i_n_t	all the theme elements are stored in the same skin buffer, so if you want a fancy FM screen you'll need to cut back on multiple fonts, or bitmaps, from your WPS
05:21:18	S_a_i_n_t	and/or SBS
05:22:01	KiwiCam	Darn. So, I need to tidy the code and reduce the size of the bitmaps. Correct? What else can I do?
05:22:21	KiwiCam	Darn.
05:22:26	S_a_i_n_t	reduce bitmaps, don't load as many fonts (if you are).
05:22:59	S_a_i_n_t	each additional font you use (other than the already loaded userfont) uses ~10Kb skin buffer iiuc
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05:23:51	KiwiCam	OK. What do most clip users prefer as their favourite font then?
05:24:23	S_a_i_n_t	you're not making it for "most clip users", you're making it for you ;)
05:24:39	S_a_i_n_t	If other people like it, then great...if they don't no loss for you ;)
05:26:44	KiwiCam	How true. I'm just like a proud Daddy with a newborn. Now, back to the first question. Can I turn that animation into a progress bar?
05:27:26	S_a_i_n_t	errrrr....what?
05:27:39	S_a_i_n_t	without seeing your theme, I have no idea what you can/can't do.
05:29:00	KiwiCam	Would you mind viewing it? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1121&target=sansaclipv2
05:29:16	KiwiCam	Press H for hold mode.
05:29:35	S_a_i_n_t	I know the sim, but I'll use the themeeditor
05:30:04	KiwiCam	Hopefully that'll work. I haven't tried this on that.
05:30:09	S_a_i_n_t	looking at the screenshots...the alignment is pretty off.
05:30:20	S_a_i_n_t	is that intentional?
05:30:27	KiwiCam	That's why the theme title.
05:31:30	KiwiCam	I'm most definitely open to suggestions though. Tweaks are good.
05:33:02	KiwiCam	I have to sort out the language options. A few other things. Is there anything in the code that I could do to reduce the KB's. I suppose it's really the Bitmaps that are the memory hogs though, isn't it?
05:33:29	S_a_i_n_t	FONTS ;)
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05:33:46	S_a_i_n_t	you've got ~40Kb of additional fonts loaded
05:33:52	KiwiCam	Oh yeah. I knew I forgot something else. :)
05:34:34	KiwiCam	What about the bitmaps? How do they affect the memory?
05:34:50	S_a_i_n_t	of course.
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05:35:46	KiwiCam	OK. Tweak time then. So, how about that progress bar idea? Possible?
05:38:10	KiwiCam	So, if I use the same bitmap and create lots of viewports with the same bitmap. It only loads that bitmap into memory once. Correct?
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05:45:33	S_a_i_n_t	I have no idea what you're talking about with the progressbar
05:46:02	S_a_i_n_t	I think you thought you asked a question, but didn't.
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05:49:51	S_a_i_n_t	KiwiCam: %?mp<%al-:−−%ac-:−−%ar-:−−\|%al%pc%ac%pr%ar%pt\|%al%pc%ac%pr%ar%pt\|%al%pc%ac%pr%ar%pt\|%al%pc%ac%pr%ar%pt> is a much cleaner way of doing line 73
05:50:45	S_a_i_n_t	but I wouldn't have the total track time there personally...I'd just have the time elapsed on the left, and remaining on the right.
05:50:56	S_a_i_n_t	total time is kinda irrelevant with those two values.
05:52:22	S_a_i_n_t	in which case you'd use: %?mp<\|%al%pc%ar%pr\|%al%pc%ar%pr\|%al%pc%ar%pr\|%al%pc%ar%pr>
05:52:59	S_a_i_n_t	notice I took out the "−−:−−"s
05:53:10	S_a_i_n_t	you'll never see them in the .wps, they're just dead code.
05:53:23	S_a_i_n_t	no stop state is ever displayed in the .wps
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05:56:42	JdGordon\|	if that is the cleaner version I'd hate to see the current one
05:57:14	JdGordon\|	and %?if(%mp, >, 0)<%al%pc%ar%pr> is better still
05:57:54	JdGordon\|	why not just do %al%pc%ar%pr though?
05:58:00	JdGordon\|	it will always be dispayed anyway
05:58:22	S_a_i_n_t	yeah, I just twigged on that myself ;)
05:58:32	KiwiCam	Good advice. I'll have to look at them more carefully later. So, have you seen the animation on the Hold screen?
05:58:33	S_a_i_n_t	%al%?mp<-:−−\|%pc\|%pc\|%pc\|%pc>%ac%?mp<-:−−\|%pr\|%pr\|%pr\|%pr>%ar%?mp<-:−−\|%pt\|%pt\|%pt\|%pt>
05:58:54	JdGordon\|	lovely :p
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05:59:02	S_a_i_n_t	was the original, I think the condition was thought needed because of not knowing the stop state is irrelevant in the .wps
05:59:34	S_a_i_n_t	And no, I haven't...the themeeditor hates this theme.
05:59:42	S_a_i_n_t	No idea why in particular, but it does.
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06:01:32	KiwiCam	http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ I suspected as much. I couldn't get it to run, but the sim loves it.
06:01:55	S_a_i_n_t	the sim won't love it, it's just not smart enough not to ;)
06:02:32	KiwiCam	I don't mind :)
06:04:31	S_a_i_n_t	Why does it not display track info/playlist position when hold is on?
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06:13:51	KiwiCam	S_a_i_n_t: Because I haven't put it it the Hold code. I thought it would detract from my masterpiece ;)
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06:14:14	KiwiCam	But, if I could get the progress bar idea working....
06:15:12	KiwiCam	I'd put it back in. But, then, if I could get the progress bar working, I'd put that animation in the WPS screen.
06:15:18	S_a_i_n_t	you need to explain to me what "the progressbar idea" is.
06:15:32	S_a_i_n_t	I'm not in your head, I don't know what you're imagining. ;p
06:16:02	KiwiCam	On the hold screen. Do you see the moving animation - 1 bitmap repeated three times displayed along the top of the screen?
06:16:24	S_a_i_n_t	No, but...go on.
06:16:40	KiwiCam	I'd like to use that as my Progress Bar.
06:17:06	KiwiCam	Hold on...
06:17:37	S_a_i_n_t	you can use any image as a progressbar...but am animated progressbar is not such a good idea
06:17:43	S_a_i_n_t	not sure it's even possible
06:17:48	S_a_i_n_t	*an
06:20:01	S_a_i_n_t	If you look in the manual/wiki it explains how to use a bitmap as a progressbar quite well
06:20:22	KiwiCam	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12359987/dump%20101108-181734.bmp http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12359987/dump%20101108-181735.bmp http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12359987/dump%20101108-181737.bmp I'd like that bar to increase (show) from 0 to 100% across the screen.
06:20:23	S_a_i_n_t	there's quite a few ways to do it, also.
06:20:37	S_a_i_n_t	yes, check the manual.
06:20:39	KiwiCam	While it's animated.
06:20:42	S_a_i_n_t	it's all explained there.
06:20:52	S_a_i_n_t	no...you can't do it animated.
06:21:10	KiwiCam	Great. So, it IS possible. Now, what are my chances?
06:21:16	KiwiCam	;)
06:21:32	KiwiCam	Darn.
06:22:23	S_a_i_n_t	no, it's not possible to display the progressbar animated...perhaps you could use multiple progressbars with subline transitions but it would probably look crap.
06:23:12	S_a_i_n_t	actually, yes. that would almost certainly work, but I'm really not sure how good it would look.
06:23:14	KiwiCam	Could I put it on the wishlist? :)
06:24:15	S_a_i_n_t	As there's a way it can be done already, I'd doubt it.
06:24:25	S_a_i_n_t	you've got three images you want to display right?
06:24:25	KiwiCam	"multiple progress bars with subline transitions." Hmm... I could try. A puzzle.
06:24:30	JdGordon\|	you can put anything on the wishlist
06:24:41	JdGordon\|	it actually getting done is an entirely different story though
06:24:43	KiwiCam	Yes.
06:24:51	S_a_i_n_t	so use sublines alternating a 0.1 seconds to display 3 seperate progressbars.
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06:24:59	S_a_i_n_t	kinda dirty, but it will work.
06:25:21	KiwiCam	It'll be interestin gto see. So, memory frugal?
06:25:55	KiwiCam	What the most popular device used on here? iPod I presume.
06:26:15	S_a_i_n_t	%t(blah)%pb(-,-,-,-,blah.bmp);%t(blah)%pb(-,-,-,-,blah2.bmp);%t(blah)%pb(-,-,-,-,blah3.bmp) should work as you intend it.
06:26:43	S_a_i_n_t	replacing "blah"s and "-"s where appropraite of course
06:26:55	KiwiCam	I'll print out your code suggestions above and understand them before I put them in the theme. I think I'm burning dinner.
06:27:15	S_a_i_n_t	you'll want the lowest possible timeout for the animation, so "blah" would == 0.1
06:29:43	KiwiCam	Burnt Dinner's ready! (Almost). I'll go eat and read this stuff again. Thanks.
06:33:04	KiwiCam	Oh yeah. How do I get it going in Themeeditor?
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11:37:57	wodz	AlexP_, pixelma: have you had a chance to look at FS #11731?
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11:59:46	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: is ~90Kb too large for the battery animation? I haven't really been able to come up with anything better than http://imgur.com/6F8jy.png
11:59:56	S_a_i_n_t	I can make it smaller if you need me to though.
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12:00:35	S_a_i_n_t	I'm still trying to figure out some nice sort of logo for the battery. but doing 4-grey stuff from scratch sucks ;)
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12:03:19	JdGordon	isnt that why we did progressbar style tags?
12:04:07	pixelma	in the bootloader?
12:04:32	wodz	S_a_i_n_t: As I said earlier I quite like it. Maybe the 'positive terminal' should not get grayed when full. We will see how this looks on the device
12:04:34	JdGordon	bootloader animations? lame!
12:04:51	pixelma	but I agree, progressbar style would be better
12:05:02	S_a_i_n_t	I'm thinking about putting the mpio logo on it.
12:05:12	S_a_i_n_t	s/it/the battery/
12:05:16	wodz	what do you mean by progressbar style?
12:05:18	pixelma	and somethimg a bit more similar to the USB plug icon as mine was
12:05:31	JdGordon	wodz: the fill part is filled programatically
12:05:57	JdGordon	much smoother than images
12:06:09	wodz	JdGordon: thats easy
12:06:12	pixelma	not only at 1/4th, half, 3/4th, full though
12:06:50	wodz	I'll write simple plugin to simulate the screen and see
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12:07:20	JdGordon	wodz: indeed
12:07:51	JdGordon	S_a_i_n_t: pretty please can you look at the wps touch popup area please?
12:08:42	JdGordon	wodz: you want this big image in the bootlader? really?
12:09:09	JdGordon	Zagor: can android and sdl be added to the build table?
12:09:40	wodz	JdGordon: what's the problem with that if there is place left in flash?
12:09:41	S_a_i_n_t	obviously not the entire strip. ;)
12:10:09	JdGordon	wodz: no problem, its just our bootloaders are usually boring (not saying that is a good thing though)
12:11:15	wodz	JdGordon: Flashing text Charging... isn't very spectacular in did.
12:15:37	JdGordon	are there any objections to commiting a new setting for the start position of the DB (like the file browser setting)
12:18:01	pixelma	how does it work with a custom tagnavi?
12:18:25	JdGordon	totally unrelated
12:18:31	JdGordon	this sets the start directory
12:18:41	JdGordon	tagnavi constrols how the db is navigated
12:19:00	pixelma	hmm? What's the "start directory" in the DB then?
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12:20:33	JdGordon	tagnavi has something like this?
12:20:37	*	JdGordon has a look
12:21:29	JdGordon	no, I don't know what you're talking about
12:22:27	pixelma	well, my understanding was that you mean the queries like "Album", "Artist" etc. What if you customised this selection and do not have these using a custom tagnavi?
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12:23:36	JdGordon	no, it controls the dirstory to start trawling for files
12:23:47	JdGordon	right now it is / which is very bad on app builds
12:23:59	JdGordon	nothing to do with tagnavi
12:25:21	pixelma	that's how I understood your question. Can't you make it dependent on where your start directory is set for the file browser? No extra setting needed if I imagine it correctly now
12:26:57	JdGordon	I Don't see how they are really related
12:26:57	pixelma	especially where the database starts searching is nothing the user sees
12:27:44	JdGordon	the use case on regular builds is probably a more user friendly way of doing tagcache.ignore
12:28:23	JdGordon	database.ignore, whatever it is
12:30:28	JdGordon	wodz: you broke sdl :(
12:30:37	JdGordon	/home/jonno/rockbox-git/apps/debug_menu.c:102:26: error: debug-target.h: No such file or directory
12:30:42	JdGordon	unless I need to reconfigure?
12:31:01	pixelma	I just expect quite some confusion as to what the setting does as it is something completely internal, that's all (as I was)
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12:32:35	JdGordon	I wouldn't quite say that, but yes it is a bit limited
12:32:56	JdGordon	Obviously the proper fix is make database not crash
12:34:40	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: I have a feeling you might like this better? http://imgur.com/40cUx.png
12:35:49	S_a_i_n_t	download here: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-4b7a73a6.html
12:36:36	wodz	S_a_i_n_t: nice - but this one has disadvantage that it cannot be filled with the strip
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12:37:08	teru	pixelma: did you have chance to test FS #11725?
12:37:17	S_a_i_n_t	"the strip"?
12:37:22	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: ^
12:37:50	wodz	S_a_i_n_t: as pixelma and Jd said - progressbar style filling
12:38:10	S_a_i_n_t	Oh, right. yes.
12:38:21	S_a_i_n_t	damn.
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12:40:10	S_a_i_n_t	there was a small error in the pic in the last link: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-69a71fea.html
12:40:14	S_a_i_n_t	that fixes it.
12:40:18	Zagor	JdGordon: sdl?
12:41:20	S_a_i_n_t	I think it looks nice with the logo in the middle, but it is quite a big image and it would save a lot using only one frame and filling it with a progressbar.
12:43:14	wodz	hehe we can use putpixel and some array to draw logo on top of this :-)
12:43:24	wodz	quite nasty hack :-)
12:43:27	Zagor	JdGordon: I've been meaning to add android to the build system for a while now, but haven't gotten around to it
12:43:50	soap_	Can't have the "fill" as one image from the strip behind the wire frame image of the battery/logo w/transparency?
12:44:04	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: I struggled for ages thinking what to put in the center of the battery, nothing I did looked right...for ages.
12:44:27	S_a_i_n_t	then that suddenly came to me and it only took ~6 mins to do ;)
12:44:41	S_a_i_n_t	I should have thought of that first.
12:44:57	wodz	soap_: I don't think 2bit lcd driver know about transparency
12:45:27	pixelma	I guess the logo would be more interesting in the background and then it gets covered by the filling progressbar? Besides I think the graphics look a bit plain
12:45:54	pixelma	and I don't think it needs the logo at all, especially not the Mpio one
12:46:01	S_a_i_n_t	4-grey is not my specialty ;)
12:46:22	wodz	JdGordon: we don't need I/O debug on RaaA don't we?
12:47:00	pixelma	I wonder what was wrong with my versions I did a long time ago for possibly the H100 which weren't used to until now
12:47:26	pixelma	guess that makes me a bit biased too ;)
12:47:48	wodz	pixelma: nothing wrong - I just wanted to see alternative
12:51:07	pixelma	wodz: about your manual patch - it looked good in a quick glance I took on Saturday but haven't tried compiling or so. One thing that made me wonder was the UseOption "iriver" in the platform file (guess that was an oversight) and you probably need the PDF and PNG versions of the SVG for inclusion in HTML and PDF manual, not sure which ones need what and which you tried
12:51:34	pixelma	just two minor things that came to my mind, nice work so far :)
12:53:50	wodz	I thought I changed UseOption to mpiohd200 in manual. About pdf and png - they are included but diffstat don't show binary file blobs in output
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12:56:06	pixelma	ah, ok
12:56:14	wodz	pixelma: I see it, what is \edef than?
12:58:08	pixelma	just a bunch of extra definitions, the UseOptions can ve used later for inclusion and exclusion of parts
12:58:55	pixelma	s/ve/be
12:58:59	wodz	so what does \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,iriver} mean?
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13:00:21	pixelma	you define one ore option you can use later, every part that's inside an \opt{iriver} will be used if you set "iriver" this way
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13:05:42	JdGordon	Zagor: SDL app
13:05:45	JdGordon	wodz: probably not
13:05:52	JdGordon	removing that #include fixes it
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13:07:06	wodz	JdGordon: I know - it should be wrapped in #if (CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_NATIVE) #endif
13:07:15	wodz	I think
13:07:52	wodz	but call to dbg_ports() has much more complicated define based on CPU used which is silly IMO
13:08:08	S_a_i_n_t	is there some command to make all voicefiles?
13:08:27	S_a_i_n_t	I really don't want to have to do them all manually ;)
13:10:08	wodz	hmm some bustard is biding HD300 also :/
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13:11:38	wodz	and speaking about RaaA - what is the point to offer simulator build option?
13:11:40	Zagor	JdGordon: as opposed to all the sdl sims?
13:11:47	JdGordon	yes
13:12:00	JdGordon	different code for bits of it
13:12:05	Zagor	ok
13:13:39	CIA-7	New commit by wodz (r28533): fix sdl RaaA build
13:14:01	wodz	JdGordon: voila
13:14:07	JdGordon	thanks :)
13:14:35	pixelma	wodz: in place of "iriver" there should be something else than mpiohd200 as you already have that. This option is meant for things that a few players of a specific manufacturer or type have in common, e.g. if your hd300 port takes of and the hd200 and hd300 have things in common
13:15:26	wodz	pixelma: thx, I'll remove this for now (until I get working hd300)
13:15:28	CIA-7	r28533 build result: All green
13:17:42	pixelma	I probably would set it to something like mpio even if it's not useful with only one target so far but it doesn't hurt
13:19:10	JdGordon	does ~ work in calls to open()?
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13:19:17	JdGordon	or is that entirely a shell thing?
13:19:22	Bagder	a shell thing
13:19:42	wodz	I think there was such question asked recently - Is it possible to get funding for a player?
13:19:58	Bagder	wodz: sure
13:20:01	Zagor	wodz: yes it is
13:20:30	Bagder	JdGordon: getpwuid() is the "normal" *nix way to get the home dir
13:20:44	JdGordon	ta
13:20:45	Bagder	or a way at least
13:21:19	JdGordon	yeah, sort of hoping I wouldnt have to worry about that at all though... oh well no big deal
13:22:24	teru	pixelma: have you tried FS #11725?
13:23:40	wodz	Bagder, Zagor: what is the procedure to apply for such funds?
13:23:55	JdGordon	beg :p
13:24:05	pixelma	teru: sorry, no. I forgot about it
13:24:25	Zagor	wodz: you talk to me :-)
13:25:29	teru	ok.
13:32:19	tmzt	Bagder: android isn't normal unix :)
13:32:40	tmzt	not sure if that's the topic here
13:32:41	Bagder	true
13:33:17	Bagder	but the question wasn't explicitly about android...
13:34:15	wodz	Bagder: have you uploaded mkmpioboot binaries to download server?
13:34:40	Bagder	no, I compltely forgot about that...
13:35:11	*	JdGordon wasnt asking about android at all actually :)
13:37:25	tmzt	yeah, for once :)
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13:47:09	wodz	concerning FS #11736 - anyone object to bump BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX to 1500 for minis?
13:47:56	JdGordon	not i
13:51:11	CIA-7	New commit by wodz (r28534): Bump BATTERY_CAPACITY_MAX to 1500 for ipod mini. Closes FS #11736
13:52:53	CIA-7	r28534 build result: All green
13:54:01	wodz	It is trivial fix maybe worth backporting
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16:26:20	Zagor	wodz: :-(
16:27:59	wodz	well, judging from Chinese sites (and google translator) this is upgrade of rk260x with video processing core. So basically two DSP cores in one package :/
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18:57:44	bertrik	TheSeven, have you considered making IAP work for the nano2g?
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18:58:20	TheSeven	yes, but i was deterred by that huge serial.c mess
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19:00:12	bertrik	I won't mind cleaning that up a bit, but I don't have a target + accessory
19:00:43	bertrik	I could open a patch (or patches) and let other people test if things still work
19:01:26	bertrik	I think new serial drivers can go into the target tree
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19:01:38	Stummi	hm, megabak opened 3 almost identical tasks in FS
19:01:49	TheSeven	i don't have an accessory either
19:01:58	bertrik	We'd need to separate the autobaud thing from the serial port driver
19:02:02	Stummi	i would say, two of them could be closed
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19:02:34	TheSeven	yeah, that autobaud stuff was one of the things deterring me most
19:02:52	TheSeven	and #ifdeffing yet another driver into that hell
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19:22:19	bertrik	TheSeven, I might have a try at it, if/when I have something that compiles I'll post a patch
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19:27:49	slater	hey I have a question about rockbox as application. I crosscompiled it with ARM-non-linux-gnueabi and also cross compiled libsdl for my player but I seem to have trouble since my rootfs is a cramfs ready only
19:28:10	slater	is there a way to adjust all calls to NAND which is readwrite?
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20:02:48	KiwiCam	S_a_i_n_t: JdGordon: Hi Guys. I've just had time to go through the suggested changes for the line 73, but I see you've gone full circle. I see what you mean with those Stop state things "-:−−". That code was lifted from someone else's I'm going to remove the theme. I'll bear that in mind in future. I'm going to remove the Total Track Time as suggested.
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20:04:02	Alchimysta	hei guys
20:04:38	KiwiCam	With those suggestion about using sublines. Can I do the same with the Volume Bar in my theme? At the moment it's on constantly. I'd like to be able to have it appear at my choosing.
20:04:51	KiwiCam	Hey.
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20:12:40	pixelma	KiwiCam: have a look at the %?mv tag
20:14:08	slater	hey I have a question about rockbox as application. I crosscompiled it with ARM-non-linux-gnueabi and also cross compiled libsdl for my player but I seem to have trouble since my rootfs is a cramfs ready only
20:14:14	slater	is there a way to adjust all calls to NAND which is readwrite?
20:14:45	wodz	slater: you asked this question already
20:15:14	slater	So I guess nobody can answer it?
20:20:13	TheLemonMan	slater, out of curiosity, what player is that ? :P
20:20:24	slater	its an Samsung YP-R0
20:20:41	TheLemonMan	lol! i hacked the YP-Q2
20:20:56	slater	yeah so I guess you ran into the same trouble?
20:21:07	slater	or are you not using as application but as firmware?
20:21:49	TheLemonMan	it runs linux too so i preferred to keep it, i tried to build it as an app but didint compile
20:22:17	slater	i got it compiled but I am stuck at read only filesystem
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20:22:46	slater	I need to change paths but no luck so far even changes in makefile dont get recognized :(
20:22:52	TheLemonMan	dont ya have the /mnt/usb tree ?
20:23:19	slater	yes I have /mnt/media0
20:23:34	slater	but rockbox executable gets compiled with using /usr/local
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20:23:37	slater	and stuff
20:23:49	slater	but it can't write there so I wanted to change to /mnt/media0
20:23:54	slater	but it didnt compile that way
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20:27:12	slater	ha saratonga just posted me back instead of make fullinstall try make zip and extract it to your player
20:27:15	slater	that should do
20:27:57	mystica555	slater: ln -s /mnt/media0/local /usr/local ?
20:28:07	mystica555	mount -bind /mnt/media0/local /usr/local ?
20:28:17	mystica555	if youre fighting the filesystem, move the filesystem
20:28:25	slater	can not link that way cramfs is read only :(
20:28:33	mystica555	then mount -bind
20:28:34	slater	i would need to repack the firmware
20:28:43	mystica555	mount -bind can do wonderful things
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20:29:00	slater	rockbox is in folder /mnt/media0/ypr0
20:29:10	slater	how would I mount -bind then?
20:30:11	mystica555	well where does rockbox want to look for/write to its files?
20:30:14	mystica555	/usr/local/rockbox ?
20:30:21	slater	yes
20:30:48	mystica555	mount -bind /mnt/media0/ypr0 /usr/local/rockbox ; mind you, /usr/local/rockbox needs to exist (even if nothing is inside)
20:31:20	slater	ok that shouldnt be a problem to repack the firmware with empty folder (i am almost pushing max with libsdl already ;))
20:31:31	slater	thanks alot!!!!!!! I will try it
20:31:41	mystica555	it should work :)
20:31:57	mystica555	ive done similar mounts to install gentoo (binding proc/dev/sys into the chroot)
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20:32:09	TheLemonMan	libsdl wasnt included in the sammie fw ?
20:32:20	gevaerts	Or just tell rockbox to use a different prefix?
20:33:05	slater	LemonMan: i compiled it myself and mkcramfs to build a new rootfs
20:33:35	slater	gevaerts: its ignored my prefix settings for some reason
20:35:29	KiwiCam	pixelma: Thanks. I'll have a look.
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20:39:22	slater	is there actually a command to check wheter libsdl is actually working? From what I see all sdls are linked and sdl-config is configured right in /bin
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20:42:00	KiwiCam	Which Fonts are the default ones? Are they the ones that come with the Simulator? I can't find a list of them.
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21:15:57	bertrik	I just tried to enable IAP on ipod nano2g and I got an error in seemingly unrelated keymap-ipod.c
21:16:18	TheSeven	fms?
21:16:41	bertrik	There's an #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER in there, this may need to be changed to an #if CONFIG_TUNER
21:18:17	bertrik	As far as I can tell, it's always defined, just with a value of 0 if there's no tuner
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21:18:53	saratoga	does anyone know what FS #11742 - ebuild is?
21:19:05	bertrik	Some gentoo thing I think
21:20:37	bertrik	Flyspray tasks with hardly any description, yet with an "update it, please" annoy me slightly
21:22:19	Torne	an updated ebuild for gentoo, for rbutil
21:22:37	Torne	because the gentoo people feel they should compile rbutil from scratch in order to use it once to install rockbox
21:23:01	Torne	we should just delete the very old ebuild that's on the wiki
21:23:57	gevaerts	I don't really see the point of flyspray patches for files on the wiki...
21:25:16	CIA-7	New commit by Domonoky (r28535): update the asap codec to version 2.1.2
21:25:22	*	Torne doesn't see the point in supporting people compiling rbutil from scratch as end users, tbh :)
21:25:35	Torne	we have perfectly good statically linked binaries
21:25:56	bertrik	Torne, but .... it's so much faster if you compile it yourself! :P
21:25:58	mystica555	Torne: welcome to gentoo. :)
21:26:07	mystica555	−−funroll-loops!!!!!
21:26:12	*	mystica555 ducks
21:26:24	mystica555	er -funroll
21:26:24	mystica555	either
21:26:25	Torne	mystica555: i'm not talking about their behaviour, i'm sugesting we should just not have the ebuild there ;)
21:26:27	mystica555	<.<
21:26:36	mystica555	hehe
21:27:00	mystica555	rbutil is in the sunrise overlay already
21:27:01	CIA-7	r28535 build result: All green
21:27:05	mystica555	1.2.7
21:27:10	mystica555	new/old ?
21:28:14	Torne	i guess someone could write an ebuild that just downloads the latest statically linked binary for the appropriate arch and sticks it in /usr/bin :)
21:28:26	mystica555	indeed
21:28:27	mystica555	/opt/local/bin
21:28:28	mystica555	;)
21:28:35	mystica555	or /opt/rbutil/bin
21:28:38	mystica555	as the current naming convention may be
21:36:34	captainkewlll	is the sdl/simulator compilation known to be broken on os x or am I just doing something wrong?
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21:45:17	CIA-7	New commit by bertrik (r28536): Change an #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER into #if CONFIG_TUNER (CONFIG_TUNER is always defined, just 0 if no there is no tuner)
21:46:55	CIA-7	r28536 build result: All green
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21:49:15	bertrik	bah, IAP seems to be linked to PP ipods right now
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21:50:33	TheSeven	bertrik: you see why i haven't bothered to touch this yet?
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21:53:49	bertrik	the whole IAP subsystem seems a bit dodgy
21:59:24	wodz	may I ask to look at FS #11735?
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22:12:03	slater	does anybody know why I get the follwing error when using -prefix=/mnt/media0/yp-r0 in configure when trying to make zip rockbox as application : unrecognized command line option "-frbdir="
22:15:27	saratoga	i'm going to close that task then
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22:32:51	wodz	pixelma: ping
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22:37:17	pixelma	yes
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22:41:42	wodz	pixelma: please look FS #11744 (you speak german I belive).
22:41:50	wodz	s/look/look at/
22:43:00	wodz	pixelma: What is the cause of the warning like this: LaTeX Warning: Reference `sec:feedback' on page 5 undefined on input line 54. ?
22:45:53	pixelma	can't remember seeing these but building the manual puts out tons of warnings I usually ignore if I still get the manual (currently non-stop mode when building is default much to my regret as it doesn't stop on a real error anymore)
22:48:22	wodz	pixelma: this warning about reference is not harmless as it produce something like 'refer to section ?? (page ??) for details'
22:49:19	pixelma	and your manual looks correct otherwise - does it have the table of contents in the beginning?
22:49:30	wodz	no
22:50:10	wodz	there is empty page with Contents at the top
22:50:21	slater	mystica555: Hey it worked I narrowed it down to one error : /mnt/media0/yp-r0/rockbox: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
22:50:35	slater	what error does this mean in my compiled application?
22:51:50	pixelma	wodz: then something is still broken for you, AFAIU the manual compile consists of a few runs, one is the text and then the second (or even more) run "collects" all necessary page numbers which it can only know how the PDF "looks" after the first successfull run
22:52:19	pixelma	I was referring to your bug report before btw. not the warning about the reference
22:53:08	mystica555	slater: ummm
22:53:23	mystica555	what is giving that error?
22:53:59	pixelma	wodz: bluebrother has more insight on LaTeX in general, I think he can help more about the bug report. I could have a look if I find why your manual isn't working yet -
22:54:10	slater	the rockbox executable
22:54:11	pixelma	is this with your Mpio patch?
22:54:27	mystica555	slater: is it a script?
22:54:38	mystica555	cos that makes no sense to me otherwise
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22:54:57	slater	crap no its the binary rockbox application
22:55:05	slater	i tried to sh it :)
22:55:22	mystica555	and its complaining about a syntax error?
22:55:27	slater	yes
22:55:31	mystica555	strange..
22:55:45	slater	here is the command : sh /mnt/media0/yp-r0 &
22:56:00	mystica555	why are you running a dir?
22:56:20	slater	oh sorry : sh /mnt/media0/yp-r0/rockbox of course
22:56:52	mystica555	sh can't run binary files unless you sh -c it..
22:57:00	slater	ahhh thanks alot!!!
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22:57:07	mystica555	or just execute it without sh
22:57:12	mystica555	not sure what the need to run it with sh is
22:57:29	slater	will it run as an independent thread?
22:57:37	wodz	pixelma: I changed few things. 1) I changed \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,iriver} to \edef\UseOption{\UseOption,mpio} in manual/platform/mpiohd200.tex 2) Commented out HAVE_QUICKSCREEN in firmware/export/config/mpiohd200.h
22:57:49	slater	the player needs scripts to run with & otherwise not executed I don't even know why ;)
22:58:02	mystica555	strange..
22:58:12	mystica555	and yeah it should atleast run by itself
22:58:25	slater	great thanks a lot!
22:58:32	slater	I'll tell you in a second
22:58:41	mystica555	/path/to/rockbox & if you need it to background
22:59:02	slater	oh that works for binaries too?
22:59:13	mystica555	yea
22:59:22	mystica555	& just backgrounds anything you run
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22:59:48	slater	yeah you right I just recalled it :)
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23:04:13	slater	crap no executable flag on the fat32 possible :(
23:04:23	mystica555	oh its fat32
23:04:24	mystica555	?
23:04:32	slater	yes the nand is :(
23:04:33	mystica555	make an ext3 disk image and mount that then...
23:04:57	mystica555	dd if=/dev/zero of=someimage.ext3 bs=1048576 count=however_many_megs
23:04:57	wodz	pixelma: yeh this two changes are the cause of lack of TOC and broken refs
23:05:02	mystica555	then mkfs.ext3 the image file
23:05:05	mystica555	mount -o loop -bind it
23:05:31	mystica555	make sure the os on the player has ext3 tho
23:05:33	mystica555	it may need to be ext2
23:05:37	mystica555	or a special kernel
23:05:42	wodz	mystica555: hehem, rather hardcore aproach
23:06:03	mystica555	im a linux geek who put swap on his G1 before it was the cool thing to do...
23:06:10	mystica555	cos that thing has anemic ram
23:06:25	mystica555	i got a saying 'bruteforcing my way thru linux for 12 years'
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23:06:44	slater	this is genius!
23:06:50	slater	I'll try that than
23:07:10	wodz	I would consider minix fs for embedded system
23:07:21	mystica555	shrug
23:07:23	wodz	much smaller than ext2/3
23:07:36	mystica555	that depends
23:07:42	pixelma	wodz: they shouldn't. I could imagine though that they both (or one of these) require a reconf and a clean build, did you do that?
23:07:47	mystica555	the inode tables and stuff arent rather big..
23:08:05	mystica555	and you can tune2fs the thing to not have any root-reserved space as well
23:08:28	wodz	mystica555: I am talk about size of fs driver in kernel
23:08:35	wodz	s/talk/talking/
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23:10:03	wodz	pixelma: yes I did make clean, ../tools/configure, make manual and no go
23:10:21	mystica555	wodz: oh ok
23:10:34	mystica555	never used it; didnt know
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23:13:26	slater	mystica: mount doesnt work on my linux machine
23:13:45	slater	mount -t loop?
23:14:37	wodz	-o loop
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23:15:32	slater	doesn't like it :(
23:16:01	slater	mystica: could I dd the rockbox folder structure and mount this instead with loop and bind to usr/local ?
23:17:02	wodz	pixelma: victory!!! make manual must be called twice to generate TOC and references
23:17:22	pixelma	that sounds wrong
23:17:49	wodz	but works :-)
23:17:53	pixelma	did you try with an existiong target?
23:18:01	pixelma	*existing
23:18:07	wodz	one minute
23:19:47	wodz	pixelma: H300 builds in one run but I think it processes files twice.
23:20:25	wodz	pixelma: Maybe the errors from first run doesn't allow to make second pass in case of MPIO
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23:20:28	pixelma	yes that's what it should do and if it doesn't then there is a mistake in your manual which prevents the second run
23:21:51	wodz	So first run has to be error free to proceed with the second pass?
23:22:05	pixelma	yes
23:22:12	pixelma	and no
23:22:24	pixelma	to proceed the second pass correctly
23:22:53	pixelma	I see a lot of missing "control references" \ButtonSomething
23:22:59	wodz	so why doing make manual twice in row work?
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23:23:34	wodz	anyway I have to fix missing controls
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23:24:04	bailey_	can i get help on installin iloader on my nano 2g? tried their irc but i was there for a while.
23:25:26	bailey_	the patcher keeps tellin me it wont support the ipod nano 2g but it states that the patcher is for the nano 2g
23:25:39	notlistening	With rate adjustment in rockbox are there better or worse codec for speed adjustment when using the spoken word
23:26:14	bailey_	no one?
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23:26:44	pixelma	bailey_: it's off-topic for one and for the other - you probably won't find many people knowing about it here, I don't
23:27:07	bailey_	the ppl in iloadre told me to try here
23:27:13	gevaerts	hm, we really should release a new ipodpatcher
23:27:27	bailey_	jus trying to get this psgroove patch to work for my ipod
23:27:33	gevaerts	bailey_: there's a bug in the released ipodpatcher binaries that causes this
23:27:41	gevaerts	Just build your own from svn
23:27:48	bailey_	tru tru
23:28:06	pixelma	ipodpatcher/iloader? I'm confused
23:28:11	bailey_	i jus wanna get this psgroove port goin.
23:28:31	bailey_	a boot menu would help me out. the only one i knew of was iloader and it wont work
23:29:47	gevaerts	hm, iloader is the ipodlinux bootloader?
23:30:03	pixelma	as far as I know
23:30:04	gevaerts	If so, it won't work on the nano 2g
23:30:35	bailey_	it was a boot menu that allowed the nano 2g to boot rockbox.
23:30:50	bailey_	it says once im in the cmd that it is for ipod nano 2g.
23:31:05	bailey_	unless im bein strung around.
23:31:07	pixelma	wodz: if there are no other errors then building of the manual will start working correctly once you have the keymap-* files filled out correctly
23:31:32	gevaerts	ipodpatcher supports the nano 2g. That doesn't mean that everything that ever used ipodpatcher to install supports the nano 2g
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23:31:56	gevaerts	hm.
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23:32:05	bailey_	i understand that but the iloader websight gives instructions on installin it on the nano 2g.
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23:32:13	gevaerts	right
23:32:14	saratoga	bailey_: i don't know how ps3grove works, but you're probably best just installing rockbox normally and then putting a patched build on once you have it working
23:32:21	gevaerts	Too many things starting with i*
23:33:09	gevaerts	As soon as it's not rockbox, we're likely not to know much about it
23:33:17	bailey_	found youtube vids of iloader on nano 2g. jus wanted a way to keep my current build of rockbox while messin with this psgroove patch
23:33:49	gevaerts	Compile ipodpatcher from svn
23:34:05	bailey_	thats cool. be back in a month or so hopefully with a working boot menu and a nice psgroove patch.
23:34:12	bailey_	jus wanted a quicker start
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23:34:23	saratoga	does ps3groove even work with the nano2g?
23:34:30	saratoga	i though they just hacked it to work with PP
23:34:48	gevaerts	I guess that's where this month comes in?
23:35:47	mystica555	slater: you wouldn't really be able to dd a directory structure.. what exactly did you do that its not liking?
23:36:06	slater	it was just a typo sorry about that
23:36:17	mystica555	slater: ah, did it work now? heh
23:36:56	slater	yes I do have it -rwxrwxrwx 1 16 185 2032959 Sep 21 2010 rockbox looks good huh ;)
23:37:27	mystica555	cool
23:37:29	slater	but still my proccess is not started > piping to file doesnt give me anything
23:37:35	mystica555	hm
23:38:13	slater	if its the wrong architecture it should at least give me something shouldnt it?
23:38:25	slater	or if libsdl is missing
23:38:36	slater	ps aux \| grep rockbox doesnt give me anything either
23:38:43	mystica555	theoretically..
23:38:53	mystica555	do you have a command shell on that player? heh
23:39:10	slater	ash
23:39:21	slater	i cracked firmware to be able to run scripts
23:39:28	slater	i place them on the players nand
23:39:50	slater	luckily fat 32 and no execute doesnt matter when using sh script
23:40:37	slater	how can i check if my player has big or little endian? that could be the deal
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23:43:44	mystica555	that, im not entirely sure about..
23:44:27	mystica555	its sort of hard not having a interactive command shell on the device in question
23:44:47	slater	i just tried to run the compiled ARM version of my rockbox on my linux ubuntu ... its running ?!?!?
23:45:10	slater	do you know if I could use the usb port to run dropbear?
23:45:17	slater	that would be awesome
23:45:51	mystica555	its likely you could.. depending on how it treats the usb port. i know the G1 can do usb-net via rndis/cdc_ether
23:45:58	mystica555	but again, more kernel modules
23:46:05	mystica555	as for why its running on ubuntu.. sure its an arm binary?
23:46:08	mystica555	run 'file rockbox'
23:46:48	slater	it says ELF 32 BIT x86 ?!?
23:46:52	slater	how did this happen?
23:46:57	krazykit	what does any of this have to do with rockbox?
23:47:12	mystica555	krazykit: hes hacking rockbox onto a samsung linux based music player?
23:47:26	krazykit	that'd do it, then.
23:47:27	mystica555	as RaaA
23:47:41	mystica555	vs a direct arm booting binary etc
23:48:47	mystica555	and i just thought; you don't really need -bind if you aren't mounting a directory into a directory; you just mount -o loop /path/to/imagefile /path/to/mountpoint
23:49:09	slater	so where did I make the mistake when building the binary?!? I am a little confused now i used: ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- make
23:49:46	mystica555	that i can't really help with... im good with linux; crosscompiling, ive not done..and ive sadly not even compiled rockbox either. lol.
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23:50:05	slater	maybe somebody else can help
23:51:36	slater	when i run ../tools/configure −−target=arm-eabi it says unsupported target plattform
23:52:26	saratoga	its called "arm-elf-eabi" in rockbox
23:52:34	slater	crap thank you :)
23:52:34	saratoga	since we use elf
23:52:53	slater	hm still complaining
23:52:57	saratoga	of course you probably don't want to use that if you're compiling an app
23:53:04	gevaerts	Our crosscompilers aren't very likely to give you suitable binaries for your platform
23:53:09	saratoga	since you'll need to use whatever toolchain your distro requires
23:53:21	saratoga	IIRC the docs you linked before explained how to setup the cross compilers
23:53:28	slater	thats the codesourcery frame work
23:53:29	saratoga	did you check them out?
23:53:44	slater	yes i did and I thought thats what I did
23:53:58	saratoga	what binary did they produce?
23:54:00	slater	instead of setting target in configure i used my crosscompiler
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23:54:14	slater	elf 32bit LSB x86
23:54:24	mystica555	i somehow don't think its crosscompiling properly :\
23:54:25	saratoga	well thats wrong
23:54:34	mystica555	its not finding the right toolchain or somesuch
23:54:36	saratoga	double check and see if you can figure out what you missed
23:54:49	saratoga	IIRC they should give you some kind of ARM-EABI compiler
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23:55:07	saratoga	if you don't end up with that, go back to step 1 :)
23:55:29	slater	i need to use a different one which came with the opensource dev kit from samsung
23:55:41	saratoga	yes thats what i'm referring to
23:57:47	saratoga	what was the idea of trying to use rockbox as an application anyway? is there something about the original firmware that you'd lose with rockbox?
23:58:59	slater	well bootloader sits in an non accessiable nand, other thing is its already running linux and it has divx and mp4 video playback which is also not shabby at all but the original firmware still lacks alot

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