#rockbox 2010-11-09

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00:00:15	slater	no thats not the point at all
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00:00:55	slater	there is no way to manipulate the bootloader, even when the firmware is completely erased the bootloader is still on there
00:01:42	saratoga	thats actually how nearly all rockbox targets work
00:02:00	saratoga	we generally prefer to leave the bootloader alone even if it can be changed, that way you don't risk bricking your player
00:03:32	slater	well I don't know how I could achieve that on my given system
00:05:00	saratoga	you said the other day you had code execution
00:05:06	slater	yes
00:05:14	saratoga	so whats the problem?
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00:05:38	slater	you mean generate the bootloader binary
00:05:43	saratoga	no
00:05:48	saratoga	i mean execute rockbox
00:05:54	saratoga	load it into ram and then run it
00:06:05	slater	thats what i am trying to do at the moment
00:06:21	saratoga	as an application
00:06:25	slater	yes
00:06:44	saratoga	i'm asking if you have an actual reason to do that verses running it as a firmware
00:07:33	mystica555	i'd want it as an app on such a target simply to allow better audio playback, and still retain the extra goodies from the firmware it shipped with
00:07:33	mystica555	why remove whats useful?
00:08:33	slater	I honestly don't see the problem. if it runs as an application thats cool, and maybe then i have enough knowledge to port firmware
00:09:03	saratoga	so basically, you're doing it because you think an application port will be less work?
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00:17:26	slater	why less work?
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00:18:22	mystica555	query slater
00:18:53	saratoga	slater: i'm asking you . . .
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00:22:05	slater	i think either way is hard to do. and for me i am still learning on all that stuff since its my first try ever doing it. I am doing this in my freetime as well and spending time so that others could also run rockbox. for me porting as an app is a more logical approach since I do not know every little bit about how to write drivers. i am a still a beginner.
00:22:54	saratoga	ok thats all i was wondering
00:23:02	CIA-7	New commit by bertrik (r28537): Simplify unsigned int <-> unsigned char array conversion in ipod_remote_tuner.c (make it endianness independent)
00:24:03	slater	i mean i'd love to see it running as a firmware, but for know my knowledge is to limited on how to do it. I am reading through a lot of stuff and hope to be able to do it someday
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00:24:32	slater	but i have come very far with porting as an app and it seems to I am so close to actually boot it up for the firsttime
00:24:44	CIA-7	r28537 build result: All green
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00:56:06	tmzt	kernel?
00:56:22	tmzt	slater: ?
00:56:32	slater	yes?
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00:56:51	slater	on the player? or on my pc?
00:57:19	tmzt	if you have linux source porting to rockbox is probably pretty easy (compared to not having it of course), what soc is this?
00:57:31	tmzt	no, I meant are you building a kernel
00:57:59	slater	i could build kernel with zimage
00:58:05	slater	limited to 1MB
00:58:23	slater	the rest of the kernel modules i could place in cramfs but its pretty full aswell
00:59:16	tmzt	oh, rockbox port would certainly be better then
00:59:30	tmzt	rbaaa needs sdl and some other stuff
00:59:34	tmzt	how much storage do you hve?
00:59:40	slater	sdl is already compiled and in it
00:59:56	tmzt	okay, what cpu/soc is this
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01:00:02	tmzt	what is the audio codec
01:00:04	slater	i am at 15.5mb now i have 16 mb - about 200k
01:00:24	slater	imx 37 freescale with vpu and audio codec
01:00:37	tmzt	dsp audio codec?
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01:01:02	slater	AS35443
01:01:06	slater	AS3543
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01:01:22	tmzt	okay, but I mean is the imx.37 dsp used for audio decoding
01:01:30	tmzt	that's on i2s?
01:01:39	slater	FMTuner: SI4709
01:01:45	slater	yes it is
01:01:48	slater	and video decoding
01:02:16	slater	and image decoding
01:02:23	tmzt	are there any non hwcodec platforms doing hardware audio or video?
01:02:43	slater	nope
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01:03:26	tmzt	what kind of video support are you going for within rockbox?
01:03:34	tmzt	I don't belive they support more than mpeg1 and maybe 2
01:03:47	slater	rockbox i think only mpeg 2
01:04:21	slater	oh and mpeg 1 your right
01:05:23	tmzt	okay, and framebuffer is it through dsp or direct? I haven't played with imx yet
01:05:51	slater	from what I guess I am not 100% sure though its framebuffer
01:06:00	slater	but its samsung proprietary
01:06:10	slater	i can't tell for sure what the driver does
01:06:55	slater	i mean through dsp
01:06:58	slater	sorry
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01:13:13	tmzt	if it's not a traditional framebuffer you might not have much choice
01:13:27	tmzt	I can't understand what you need 16mb of userland for though
01:13:48	slater	its filled up with samsung dsp and other samsung libraries
01:15:56	tmzt	oh, like their tvs
01:16:02	tmzt	one called dspbin?
01:16:04	tmzt	or similar
01:16:42	slater	no but a lot of DNSe audio enhancing
01:16:50	slater	and almost all codecs possible
01:16:54	slater	from video to audio
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01:17:22	slater	divx, mpeg 1/2/4, xvid, aac, ac3, flac, mp3, mp4 etc
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01:30:25	user890104	hello, i got a message Undefined instruction at 0805FC68 on ipod nano 2g with rockbox 3.7
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01:31:49	user890104	what does it mean?
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01:52:23	soap	user890104, can you make Rockbox barf that error again?
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01:54:37	user890104	yep
01:54:57	soap	what do you need to do to get Rockbox to crash like that?
01:55:04	user890104	gone to pictureflow, hold select, then scrolled to the next album and hold select again
01:57:04	soap	Check flyspray (the bug tracker) if you don't mind and post a bug report with reproduction recipe if you'd be so kind.
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02:01:03	user890104	i tried the same another time and it doesn't happen anymore...weird
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02:03:25	saratoga	if you figure out how to make it happen post a bug report
02:03:41	user890104	ok
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02:10:50	clone4crw	for anyone insterested in the resistor calculator plugin, i've done more work on it in FS #11733 and #11734
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02:36:21	Daniel75	Hello, does Rockbox Support the Sansa Fuze V2? According to the Wikipedia it's stable but when I was on the website a week or two ago it claimed it wasn't
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02:39:39	Daniel75	Hello...
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02:44:30	Daniel75	Can anyone help me with my question?
02:44:48	clone4crw	Daniel75: Yeah, both the V1 and V2 are considered stable now
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02:46:31	Daniel75	Ok, thanks... Another Question... The release Notes says it now has a stable release for Ipod 4G is that Nano 4G or..... Also, the utility does not seem to be able to detect my Sansa Fuze
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02:49:12	Daniel75	And it says that USB is unstable for Sansa Fuze V2 and is disabled so I wont be able to charge my Sansa?
02:49:28	Daniel75	Sorry for the bombardment of questions
02:50:14	soap	That is for the iPod 4G, not the iPod Nano 4G.
02:50:34	Daniel75	Two questions answered :P, thank you sir
02:51:18	soap	Rockbox's own USB stack is unstable for the Sansa Fuze V2 so Rockbox relies on the Original Firmware's USB for now.
02:52:01	soap	As far as Rockbox Utility and detection of the Fize V2, that I can not speak to. Check the forums.
02:52:16	Daniel75	So I can charge it.... And if I want to revert back to the original Firmware it should still be present on Internal memory?
02:52:56	Daniel75	Is there anything special I need to do to charge it/connect it to the computer since it relies on teh Original Firmware?
02:53:48	soap	I _believe_ you can charge from within Rockbox, no need to have the OF boot for that alone. Check the manual. The late-model Sansas are not my strength.
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02:54:25	soap	Yes, Rockbox dual-boots with the Original Firmware, it is not removed.
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02:54:40	soap	Very few Rockbox targets are unable to boot into the Original Firmware.
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02:55:09	soap	(and the ones I can think of off hand are ones one wouldn't want to boot into anyway ;) )
02:55:36	Daniel75	Thank you for all of this help, I'm sorry if I was being a bit of a bother.
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03:17:50	Daniel75	Now installing, lets hope this works!
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03:28:58	Daniel75	Works for the moment! Once Again thanks for all the help
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03:32:56	soap	you're welcome
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04:15:04	[Saint]	KiwiCam: Sorry it's a rather late reple here...if you want the volumebar to appear only when the volume is being changed it is relatively simple to achieve with the "%?mv" tag
04:15:31	[Saint]	use %?mv to call the viewport that houses the volumebar.
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04:17:40	[Saint]	KiwiCam: example (assuming your volume bar viewport == V): "%?mv(5.0)<%Vd(V)>"
04:18:23	[Saint]	this will show viewport "V" for a duration of 5 seconds when "volume changing" == true
04:20:36	[Saint]	and, of course you can add a "false" branch to the condition also: "%?mv(timeout)<commands for when volume is changing\|commands for when volume isn't changing>"
04:22:01	[Saint]	the default timeout of none is specified is 2 seconds, the smallest timeout available is 0.1 seconds.
04:22:11	[Saint]	s/of/if/
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05:38:33	KiwiCam	[Saint]: Awesome. Thanks. I'm learning a lot.
05:38:40	KiwiCam	Hey Y'all!
05:39:35	KiwiCam	I have a Sansa Fuze (V2, I think) with a broken screen. Does anybody want it for EXPERIMENTATION? Bwah ha hah ha haaaa!
05:43:50	KiwiCam	I use Xchat. Is it possible to get the thing to load in previous comments on restart? ie if I shut it down and come back to it, how do I see the prior history?
05:44:48	[Saint]	By going to the log files linked in the channel topic
05:44:49	krazykit	you can view rockbox logs on rockbox.org/irc
05:45:10	[Saint]	your client can't make logs if it's not connected a channel ;)
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05:48:07	KiwiCam	So, I pretty much have to have my PC on all the time?
05:49:25	[Saint]	If you want to keep your own logs, then yes.
05:50:37	KiwiCam	It's just in case I miss messages to myself.
05:51:21	KiwiCam	And of course, so I can laugh at all your bullshit on community ;)
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06:54:05	roach9	hi guys
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06:54:26	roach9	can someone help me install rockbox on my sansa clip+?
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06:56:07	roach9	i think my problem is simple.
06:56:14	roach9	i am just unfamiliar with rockbox
06:56:24	tmzt	ask the question
06:56:33	roach9	i'm using rockbox utility
06:56:42	roach9	i clicked my device (sansa clip+)
06:56:49	roach9	but when i try to find the device in the file system, it is not there.
06:57:11	tmzt	I believe you have to have it in mass storage mode
06:57:24	roach9	perfect
06:57:27	roach9	thank you sir :)
06:59:35	roach9	sorry
06:59:40	roach9	i can't find how to do that =\
06:59:46	roach9	is it an option on the device?
06:59:57	roach9	or do i have to put it in that mode via windows?
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07:05:52	roach9	i can't find out how to put my sansa clip+ in mass storage mode =\
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09:19:04	wodz	goban.tex is extremely overcomplicated and unclear
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09:20:37	wodz	JdGordon\|: goban is extreme - it mix explicit and implicit keymap definitions and nests one in other
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09:22:04	wodz	cryptic tex error messages doesn't help either
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10:06:30	pixelma	wodz: you mean the button table in goban.tex? You should have seen that before...
10:08:14	pixelma	I don't think it's bad :/
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10:11:03	wodz	pixelma: I mean mixing \nopt with \opt and nesting one into another
10:12:43	pixelma	would you rather prefer an \opt that spans 3 lines? And I tried to help readability of the nested ones by using indentation
10:13:53	wodz	of course its my personal opinion but I really don't like implicit declarations (like \nopt) because it is not obvious what is the scope of such definition
10:15:31	wodz	with explicit \opt you can grep the file easily
10:15:56	pixelma	I find them more understandable than having tens of *_PAD in one line, you won't easily see if yours is included or not
10:22:25	wodz	pixelma: well its the same problem as with ifdefing - there are different ways to achieve the same effect and selected syntax is a matter of taste. And as with ifdefing there are corner cases which are not so obvious when reading
10:23:33	wodz	\me completed FIXME stubs in MPIO manual. Now it builds without errors \o/
10:23:42	wodz	hmm
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10:39:19	Stummi	http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.6/ hm, why do i not find the sansa clip+ build here?
10:39:36	Stummi	i want to try reproduce #11745 on simulator
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10:45:03	Stummi	ok, so it seems that i have to build 3.6 for myself
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10:52:04	wodz	Stummi: clip+ was not stable when 3.6 was released
10:53:47	Stummi	hm, than the best advice for him would to upgrade to 3.7 or svn-build
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10:58:37	wodz	Stummi: I doubt he is using 3.6. Tracker doesn't offer 3.7 to raport bugs against
10:58:56	Stummi	ah, ok
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11:00:06	wodz	Stummi: If you want to take care of this bug - ask what exactly version he is running.
11:01:02	Stummi	wodz, first i will try out if this bug occours on an simulator build with current svn-version.
11:01:59	wodz	Stummi: we agreed that asking people to try svn builds is not good approach.
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11:11:41	Stummi	wodz, ok
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11:41:09	Stummi	would it be a problem (e. g. due copyrights) when i make a screenshot of this problem with an game from nintendo?
11:41:22	Stummi	and attach it to an comment for the bug-report
11:41:40	Torne	no
11:41:49	Torne	that's fair use
11:42:01	Stummi	ok, thanks
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13:12:44	Stummi	where can i see the hardware-data (especially lcd width and height in my case) for all devices in the see. (So, where is the file where things like "LCD_WIDTH" are defined?)
13:14:50	n1s	firmware/export/config/ has all the config files
13:15:10	JdGord	DeviceChart on the wiki
13:16:37	gevaerts	DeviceChart is outdated
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14:24:37	slater	hey I compiled RaaA for my ARM but still giving me an Segmentation fault when trying to start. But there is no dump unfortunately
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14:31:06	Stummi	RaaA?
14:31:46	Bagder	... as an app
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14:32:36	bug2000	Where can I find the files for manual firmware making? [so the player would boot rockbox]
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14:47:05	Stummi	bug2000, do you mean the bootloader?
14:47:11	bug2000	Yeah, that.
14:48:36	Stummi	you need the OF-Bootloader, the RB-Bootloader and an special tool to "merge" both. the RB-Bootloader and this tool you get on the rockbox-site. The OF-Bootloader from the manufactor of your player
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14:49:07	bug2000	Yeah, just can't seem to find the RB-Bootloader.
14:49:21	bug2000	Seems to be only thing I miss. Already have mkamsboot.
14:50:29	Stummi	http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/
14:50:41	bug2000	Thank you very much. have a nice day.
14:50:57	Stummi	np
14:51:26	pixelma	Stummi: are you aware that there are differences in the boot process and how starting Rockbox is achieved between the different targets?
14:53:09	pixelma	bug2000: which player do you have and if you want to install Rockbox normally - which instructions are you following?
14:53:27	Stummi	not at all. But the basically procedure to make the bootloader should be the same on the most players, or are i am wrong with that?
14:54:45	bug2000	pixelma: Manually creating a package for a friend ^_^.
14:56:58	pixelma	I still don't know what you want to do
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15:24:34	LambdaCalculus37	I have a patch at FS #11730 to fix apps/keymaps/keymap-m200.c; the button names don't match what's in the above listed file.
15:27:17	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: defining STD_PREV as BUTTON_PLAYPAUSE looks suspicious to me but I don't know the player
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15:28:47	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: There aren't very many buttons on the m200, so it's a little hard to assign buttons.
15:29:36	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: but selecting PLAY as prev is unintuitive IMO
15:30:06	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Whoops, that's an error on my part. I'll have to fix that.
15:30:22	*	LambdaCalculus37 is glad he didn't commit that right away; that would've been most embarrassing
15:30:55	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Thanks for pointing that out to me.
15:31:34	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: I didn't study this patch very deeply - it just stroked me at first glance
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15:33:43	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Since I found my m230 again, I wanted to try and maybe revive the port a bit. It currently doesn't build because the button names in keymap-m200.c are misnamed.
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15:49:31	Stummi	teru, are you still on my rockboy-patch or did i said something wrong? :)
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15:53:05	teru	Stummi: sorry, i'm doing a bit different thing for now.
15:53:22	Stummi	ok, no problem
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16:03:16	steelman	hi. i'd like to as a question about ./apps/plugins/lib/pluginlib_actions.c file from rb 3.7. I've got IPod VIDEO and I can't quit most plugins (I've tried two today: dice and jackpot) it looks like it's because IPOD_VIDEO is not among IPOD targets keypad configuration. Do I miss something?
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16:04:37	gevaerts	steelman: Menu+Select doesn't work?
16:04:38	pixelma	the Ipod Video is using the Ipod 4th gen's pad definitions, it's all the same pad
16:05:05	pixelma	steelman: and what's the manual saying which buttons you use?
16:05:51	steelman	gevaerts: wait a moment, checking
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16:06:51	pixelma	gevaerts: it could be that there was this one weird thing with the pluginlib actions rework but I am not sure at the moment
16:07:40	steelman	gevaerts: OK. silly me, Menu+Select is the correct answer, although not too intuitive ;-)
16:08:23	Biont	I take it #11084 does not work anymore? I tried to patch it and I get loads of "Hunk #X failed at YZ" errors
16:08:27	gevaerts	It's the one listed in the manual...
16:09:14	LambdaCalculus37	Biont: FS #11084 is quite old. It hasn't been updated since March, and a lot of the WPS code has changed since then.
16:09:50	iarwain	Hi. Is the tcctool maintainer around? I'd like to add this patch to the tool, as it has helped me unbricking my Cowon J3: http://dpaste.com/272877/plain/
16:10:32	LambdaCalculus37	iarwain: Post that to Flyspray and tell us the ticket number.
16:10:39	steelman	gevaerts: silly me x2. menu+select is in pluginlib_actions.c. Tahnks a lot.
16:10:48	steelman	bye everyone.
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16:10:55	Biont	Well I already assumed that it wouldn't work anymore, but I wanted to try nevertheless. From my pov, these error messages could as well have been my fault so I thought I'd ask :)
16:11:03	iarwain	LambdaCalculus37: ok, I'll do that. Thank you.
16:13:30	Biont	too bad :( I guess I'll try to contact the developer of the patch then. In light of the Android port, this patch would be even more fun
16:16:53	LambdaCalculus37	Biont: You could try and contact the patch author, or you can try and apply the necessary fixes to get the patch to work again and post an updated version of it.
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16:30:43	iarwain	LambdaCalculus37: the ticket number is 11747
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16:49:16	LambdaCalculus37	iarwain: Thanks.
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16:51:24	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: could you try FS #11735 on your PP and SH targets to see if hw info screen works as expected?
16:52:12	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: I can provide builds if you prefer.
16:52:45	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Sure. Roll for iPod video and HDD6330 first.
16:53:08	Biont	LambdaCalculus37: Well, since I can't code myself, I'll see if I can get a response from the author then
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17:05:21	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-288aeb5c.html
17:07:15	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Which one is this one?
17:07:49	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Never mind, I saw it's the iPod video build.
17:07:53	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-3a1ba3ca.html
17:08:09	wodz	fist is for video second is for hdd6330
17:08:26	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Got them both.
17:08:54	wodz	you can RoLo actually as the change is in core
17:09:43	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: Okay, will update in a little bit and report back.
17:09:54	wodz	The proof is to look at System->Debug->Hw info and see if there is any difference between regular build and this I provided
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17:15:07	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: No differences on iPod video. It looks exactly the same.
17:18:21	wodz	:-)
17:20:06	*	TheSeven just found the (undocumented) key to proper dma on the nano2g :)
17:20:25	TheSeven	is the rockbox buffering subsystem capable of handling double-buffered dma?
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17:21:08	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: And looks good on the HDD6330 too.
17:21:20	TheSeven	i.e. don't overwrite the the two(!) most recently requested dma buffers?
17:21:49	TheSeven	or at least one if i split them up myself
17:22:14	wodz	LambdaCalculus37: thank you, test on recorder would be great also
17:22:57	wodz	TheSeven: rockbox buffering system is the part which noone dare to touch :-)
17:31:25	*	TheSeven just played a huge chain of 16 byte (4 samples, 2 channels, 16 bits) buffers without glitches and without the need for FIQs or an efficient IRQ handler
17:31:58	LambdaCalculus37	wodz: I'll do a test on my JBR during lunch time.
17:32:07	TheSeven	bluebroth3r: IIRC you are a buffering expert, correct?
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19:03:30	LambdaCalculus37	This is certainly interesting... the service manual for the GoGear HDD16x0 series claims that the device has 64MB of RAM as well.
19:04:02	Strife89	gevaerts: Regarding http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive//rockbox-dev-archive-2010-11/0054.shtml : My preference runs toward 1b, but let the plugin have priority when opening a file normally.
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19:13:28	bertrik	Any tcctool expert here?
19:14:10	bertrik	FS #11747 - tcctool: add support for Cowon J3 looks ready for commit, it's not completely clear to me how the sdcfg value was figured out (just pure luck when experimenting, or an educated guess)
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19:29:48	TheSeven	http://pastie.org/1284951
19:29:48	saratoga	bertrik: that number is basically a register value for the memory controller, its generally an educated guess given how much memory a player has
19:29:51	TheSeven	that appears to work
19:30:47	saratoga	if it works in ttctool, i would commit it
19:31:38	bertrik	TheSeven, it plays an audio file?
19:31:44	TheSeven	yes
19:31:51	TheSeven	it plays raw pcm data at 0x08100000
19:32:03	TheSeven	glitch-free as far as i can tell
19:32:19	TheSeven	the dma things are the interesting part
19:32:33	TheSeven	the wmcodec init is just stolen from diagmode
19:33:00	bertrik	the intent is to make the playback interrupt smarter, right?
19:33:04	TheSeven	btw, that reminds me that i want to figure out the reason for that popping noise when rockbox boots
19:33:08	TheSeven	yes
19:33:27	saratoga	a lot of players do that, its usually due the anti-click circuit on the DAC not existing or not being enabled
19:33:57	TheSeven	saratoga: a lot of players do what?
19:34:05	saratoga	click when the DAC is powered up
19:34:19	TheSeven	well, it doesn't do it in the OF, or at least not as badly
19:34:38	saratoga	theres often a way to shunt that click into a resistor or something similar
19:34:57	TheSeven	it's probably caused by doing things in the wrong order (there are analog muting circuits between the dac and output amplifier AFAIK)
19:35:13	bertrik	I think there's also a few players where there's some kind of analog switch outside the DAC
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19:45:16	TheSeven	let me figure out how rockbox initializes it and singlestep it to see where the pop happens
19:46:50	saratoga	has anyone been working on the other new ipods lately? i haven't followed the freemyipod IRC very closely
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20:07:18	Buschel	saratoga: did you work on your armv5 optimization of libatrac lalety? just curious
20:08:06	saratoga	Buschel: no sorry I've been sick this past week so programming isn't much fun
20:08:36	Buschel	sorry to hear that. hope you're feeling better now?
20:16:44	amiconn	Buschel: What test(s) are needed for http://pastie.org/1280189 ?
20:17:20	saratoga	yes I'm feeling better, and will try to find some time to look at the code
20:17:53	saratoga	since your c code works, I assume its just some silly mistake in the ASM i posted
20:18:14	Buschel	amiconn: just a performance comparison svn vs. patch on non-PP ARM targets
20:18:17	saratoga	i should probably try translating the c code one line at a time and see where it breaks
20:18:23	saratoga	my arm is so rusty i might not spot it otherwise
20:18:39	amiconn	Buschel: Hmm, I could do that now - on Clip+ and Beast
20:18:45	Buschel	saratoga: yep. I am curious how much speed up you will see
20:18:53	Buschel	amiconn: perfect :o)
20:19:36	saratoga	for devices with fast IRAM (tcc I think) should be close to 2x
20:20:11	amiconn	Buschel: Any specific bitrates to test? What about layers?
20:22:17	*	amiconn notices that http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ has neither .mp2 nor .mp1 files
20:22:24	Buschel	amiconn: no specific bitrate, but layer 3. just a choose a mp3 file with ~200kbps
20:23:36	*	amiconn should encode the test track with Pegase to .mp1 and .mp2
20:25:34	saratoga	mp1 and mp2 test files would be nice on the download server if anyone feels like making them
20:28:03	amiconn	^^
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20:34:33	amiconn	Buschel: lame_192.mp3, SVN: Beast 1414.46 %, 37.22 MHz, Clip+ 713.25 %, 33.64 MHz
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20:44:37	amiconn	Buschel: With your patch: Beast 1405.43 %, 37.56 MHz, Clip+ 710.94 %, 33.75 MHz
20:45:41	amiconn	So it's a (slight) slowdown (less tha 1%)
20:45:59	Buschel	amiconn: thanks, again it seems like the S5L8701 is a bad CPU for easy optimizations... :/
20:46:39	Buschel	the speed up on S5L8701 is about +.25 MHz (~0.5%)
20:46:55	Buschel	so, I'll drop this patch as well...
20:47:20	amiconn	What's interesting is that our libmad is slower on arm11 than on arm9
20:47:26	amiconn	It should be the other way round...
20:47:51	Buschel	ram speed?
20:48:25	Buschel	it is the same for S5L (arm9) vs. PP (arm7)
20:49:09	*	amiconn thinks that mp3 decoding on arm11 should need less than 25 MHz, possibly even less than 20 MHz
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21:16:25	*	TheSeven is still searching for a way to power up that wm8975 without making it pop
21:17:44	bertrik	so there isn't some GPIO that mutes audio from the DAC externally?
21:18:02	TheSeven	i don't think theres something outside the codec
21:18:11	TheSeven	but there should be something inside actually
21:18:32	bertrik	if you look at the PCB you might be able to confirm
21:18:38	TheSeven	even powering up the internal voltage reference makes it pop, and powering up the virtual ground even more
21:19:02	TheSeven	with the output driver powered down!
21:19:06	TheSeven	(and also the dacs)
21:19:27	bertrik	I wonder how other targets with the same codec handle this
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21:19:45	*	TheSeven wonders how the OF handles this on the very same hardware
21:20:46	TheSeven	it also pops, but not so badly
21:21:20	TheSeven	especially when powering off the pop is barely noticable
21:26:58	bertrik	TheSeven, the WM8971 has some specific info on pop reduction, specifically the order in which to power up
21:27:18	amiconn	Bagder: ping
21:27:41	TheSeven	bertrik: do you have docs on that?
21:28:25	TheSeven	i couldn't find it while flicking through the datasheel
21:28:27	TheSeven	datasheet*
21:28:31	bertrik	I have the WM8971 datasheet, I think it's similar to the WM8975 one
21:30:39	*	amiconn has some .mp1 and .mp2 testfiles for upload
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21:39:43	TheSeven	bertrik: ignoring all the power on delays and sequences and just doing it the hard way is much more silent than what rockbox is doing
21:41:15	wodz	TheSeven: I was fighting high pitch noise when powering up WM8750 in MPIO. I read manual dozen of times, sniffed i2c traffic to codec when OF powers it up and finally I found out by accident that there is GPIO which needs to be LOW on power up.
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21:45:12	wodz	TheSeven: Manual to the codec doesn't even mention of such possibility. Besides there is paragraph in manual describing steps needed to reduce pop noise on power on.
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22:04:47	TheSeven	hm
22:05:13	TheSeven	i managed to make it power up almost pop-less by doing the contrary of what the datasheet says...
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22:05:38	TheSeven	i.e. ramp down the vgnd divider resistance instead of ramping it up
22:06:12	TheSeven	this will probably lead to distorted audio during the first few milliseconds, but we won't be playing something during that time anyway
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22:22:03	TheSeven	make: *** [reconf] Error 1
22:22:03	TheSeven	now what does that mean?
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22:30:46	saratoga	Buschel: just noticed that I have the arguments in the wrong order to all smlawy instructions in my asm code
22:30:51	saratoga	that probably doens't help
22:33:30	amiconn	Hmm, who decided that all crosscompilers can share the same prefix?
22:33:52	Buschel	saratoga: not really, but that can easily be fixed :)
22:34:07	amiconn	This seems wrong. While the binaries and libs don't collide (due to architecture prefixes or folders), several things do collide
22:34:20	TheSeven	can anybody tell me where the shutdown code is?
22:34:27	amiconn	E.g. 'info' and the locales
22:34:42	saratoga	i'd ask you to double check my code but its probably better i actually learn this stuff . . .
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22:41:20	saratoga	still no good, just a lot of clicking
22:41:43	*	TheSeven gives up for tonight
22:43:23	saratoga	ah theres another ASM bug . . .
22:43:53	amiconn	^^^^ @ Zagor (logs)
22:45:08	TheSeven	can anybody check if http://pastie.org/1285452 breaks nano1g/ipod4g? or does it maybe even reduce popping noise during powerup on these, too?
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22:46:37	amiconn	pfm
22:47:06	*	amiconn usually doesn't notice popping noise during powerup unless it's very strong
22:47:24	amiconn	Probably because I sort of expect it to be there
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22:49:24	lixus001	any idea when gigabeat S will be supported in the utility installer
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22:52:24	Buschel	TheSeven: If I am not somehow mislead, the function audiohw_close() should contain the shutdown commands for codecs
22:52:52	saratoga	well i've got sort of a beat under a lot of clicking
22:53:41	Buschel	saratoga: so, the noise is correlated to the useband signal? ;)
22:53:47	CIA-7	New commit by bertrik (r28541): Apply FS #11729 - Remove unneeded I2SIN clock configuration for AS3525 and AS3525v2
22:53:51	saratoga	yeah!
22:54:17	Buschel	good start! :)
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22:55:59	TheSeven	Buschel: where on earth is that hiding?
22:56:34	TheSeven	ah, nevermind, file names not matching function prefixes again... :/
22:56:50	Buschel	TheSeven: e.g. in wm8758.c
22:57:24	TheSeven	these functions seem to be scattered all around the codec drivers and sound.c with no recognizable scheme
22:58:57	Buschel	it's implemented in wm8975.c as well
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23:05:23	Buschel	r28488 slowed down mpc decoding on S5L... :/
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23:10:24	CIA-7	New commit by wodz (r28542): MPIO manual: player front graphic FS #11177 by Marko Pahlke
23:10:34	CIA-7	New commit by wodz (r28543): MPIO manual: screenshots
23:10:41	CIA-7	New commit by wodz (r28544): MPIO HD200 manual - tex files
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23:19:02	JdGordon\|	wodz: I'll be in melbourne over the weekend.. do you still need AJBRv1 testing?
23:19:09	CIA-7	New commit by Buschel (r28545): Roll back r28488 as it slows down mpc by 2% on S5L8701.
23:20:40	wodz	JdGordon: no thanks, LambdaCalculus owns AJBR and is willing to do the test
23:21:13	CIA-7	r28545 build result: All green
23:21:23	JdGordon\|	ok cool :)
23:22:46	saratoga	updated the atrac patch, still not sure what I'm missing
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23:25:25	saratoga	oh hmm i had the shift by 1 in the asm code removed, so the output will be slightly quieter static in the version I posted on FS ;)
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23:29:40	Buschel	saratoga: is the rollback by 192 bytes still correct at the end of the asm section? you a now using 2 bytes per coefficient
23:29:48	saratoga	oh hmm
23:29:52	saratoga	probably not
23:29:55	saratoga	i didn't think about that
23:32:17	saratoga	Buschel: good catch, it works now
23:32:24	Buschel	:)
23:32:39	Buschel	and? speed?
23:33:09	saratoga	i don't know what it was stock :)
23:33:37	saratoga	test_codec says 30MHz, but that can't be right
23:34:43	saratoga	oh the sample is broken so test_codec thinks its longer then it really is
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23:38:11	Buschel	saratoga: btw, if you update the patch you should also add the >>=15 to the c-version of fixmul15
23:39:10	saratoga	yeah I'll clean it up a lot before committing
23:39:48	Buschel	just post the performance numbers here when you measured them. could be quite impressive ;)
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23:42:02	Strife89	Has anyone noticed that the days of the week (in WPSes which display dates, the calendar plugin, etc.) have been incorrect?
23:42:54	Strife89	At least on the iPod Video.
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