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| 00:16:25 | dodddummy | i tried to browse the config file on the player from rockbox and it's frozen. how can i reset it? |
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| 00:16:47 | krazykit | depends on the device. the manual should say how |
| 00:20:01 | dodddummy | krazykit, i didn't see it in the manual. but i just held the power button for a couple of minutes and that did the trick. |
| 00:20:06 | dodddummy | nice manual by the way |
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| 00:22:32 | dodddummy | if companies had smarts they'd use rockbox. |
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| 00:24:42 | saratoga | TheSeven: we only have 2 level boosting in Rockbox, but some kind of 3 level scheme would be useful on a lot of targets |
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| 00:26:29 | factor | Does rock box have a printer driver. |
| 00:26:57 | factor | so you can plug in your USB connector to a printer? |
| 00:27:00 | amiconn | saratoga: We do have 3 levels, but boosting only switches between two of them |
| 00:27:14 | saratoga | yes i know |
| 00:27:20 | amiconn | On targets where core voltage is constant, more levels don't make sense |
| 00:27:27 | keenerd | factor: Rockbox does not have USB host mode. |
| 00:27:34 | factor | ahh ok |
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| 00:27:51 | factor | keenerd, any work being done on one. |
| 00:28:03 | amiconn | Otoh, on a target with dynamic vcore, fine grained clock adjustment makes sense |
| 00:28:09 | saratoga | amiconn: on targets like AMS where the memory clock doesn't boost but the core clock does, it'd also be helpful |
| 00:28:44 | saratoga | since the CPU requires a lot more MHz boosted then unboosted to do the same thnig |
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| 00:29:06 | Torne | factor: do you mean a printer that accepts USB memory sticks/flash drives/etc? or just connecting it the same way you'd connect the printer to a PC |
| 00:29:19 | Torne | the former should Just Work with rockbox, the USB device only needs to be a storage device |
| 00:29:21 | keenerd | factor: Nope. Very few players even have usb OTG hardware, let alone host chips. Not going to happen. Though if I could hook a keyboard up to my player, I would not need a laptop for the most part. |
| 00:29:23 | Torne | which we are |
| 00:29:33 | factor | Torne:as a host |
| 00:29:41 | saratoga | i was thinking of a system where the codec could request a higher boost speed (e.g. for APE) while by default it would just boost between the two lower clocks |
| 00:29:46 | Torne | then no |
| 00:29:53 | factor | I agree |
| 00:30:00 | factor | the sansa fuze would be a nice laptop |
| 00:30:01 | factor | :) |
| 00:30:09 | factor | Torne, ok |
| 00:30:24 | S_a_i_n_t | if you never wanted it to do anything except play audio, or tiny video...sure ;) |
| 00:30:49 | keenerd | S_a_i_n_t: Typing notes. And Lua. |
| 00:30:52 | S_a_i_n_t | it's a nice DAP, it's be an AWFUL laptop |
| 00:30:58 | S_a_i_n_t | *it'd |
| 00:30:59 | factor | Well was wanting to make a D&D character sheet generator |
| 00:31:16 | factor | just select your options via the screen and it would print out a pdf |
| 00:31:33 | factor | but looks like that wont happen , but it could make a pdf file for the usb memstick option |
| 00:33:18 | factor | would have liked the printer driver option since I could just carry the sansa and a small printer |
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| 00:33:42 | keenerd | factor: I think you'd be better off with a $100 Android tablet. |
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| 00:34:48 | factor | is android java |
| 00:35:38 | dodddummy | factor i think that's on the 'features never to be implemented' list |
| 00:35:46 | factor | heh |
| 00:36:38 | dodddummy | soon enough we'll have brain tops. |
| 00:36:44 | dodddummy | well maybe not soon enough |
| 00:38:53 | factor | csansa can read pdf's correct? does it have the facility to save as a pdf? |
| 00:39:00 | factor | rockbox^ |
| 00:39:13 | keenerd | We should be seeing players with USB OTG soon. There are plenty of photo frames and hard drives with it. |
| 00:39:51 | saratoga | amiconn: any chance you could find time to add some coldfire info here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetSpecificOptimization |
| 00:40:45 | saratoga | lots of devices have USBOTG |
| 00:40:51 | keenerd | Edit: There are plenty of players with usb otg. But it'll be a lot of work to write the drivers and do the port. |
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| 00:41:49 | Torne | rockbox can't read PDF, no |
| 00:42:04 | factor | oh |
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| 00:43:19 | JdGordon| | does anyone else want to look at bugfixes for tagcache? |
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| 00:48:48 | factor | thanks for the android tabel option |
| 00:48:56 | factor | nice they are cheap |
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| 01:07:19 | preglow | the next time i'm i here pratling about "giving cygwin another try", just yell at me |
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| 01:09:49 | keenerd | preglow: Enough ram for a linux VM? |
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| 01:11:10 | preglow | keenerd: certainly, and it's what i'm currently doing. in addition to uninstalling cygwin :> |
| 01:19:17 | amiconn | Oh, hi preglow :) |
| 01:19:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Pffffft! CygWin bashing. |
| 01:19:37 | amiconn | Any news wrt the rockbox resampler? |
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| 01:39:44 | preglow | i didn't really get any wiser with my last tests, still don't have a good algo in mind |
| 01:40:12 | preglow | i pretty much just decided to take a look at the resampler the speex guy wrote, since he was so adamant it would be ok for our use |
| 01:40:24 | preglow | but i haven't had time, and it's really not anything i need, so... |
| 01:41:52 | preglow | currently just working on getting my audio effects plug up and going, but i can't even seem to make full duplex audio work again |
| 01:42:02 | preglow | since the api changed |
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| 02:36:08 | kugel | played with a different way of making lcd updates on android (using SurfaceView), not any better |
| 02:36:38 | kugel | it makes synchronous updates easier but that's it |
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| 02:44:24 | kugel | otherwise it's equally fast (or slow) and cpu consuming |
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| 02:47:47 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders if there is a way to only display the "Custom View..." database menu if there is actually something there to display. |
| 02:47:50 | JdGordon| | kugel: do you have a samsung s? |
| 02:48:22 | S_a_i_n_t | anyone understand tagnavi.config enough to know if that is possible? |
| 02:48:28 | JdGordon| | one of the recent commits mentioned the S and i wasnt sure who had it |
| 02:48:46 | JdGordon| | I tried raa on my brothers S and the display is not very useable with its dpi |
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| 02:49:15 | kugel | a fellow student has one |
| 02:49:38 | kugel | it's about the same screen as the nexus one isn't it? |
| 02:50:01 | kugel | I found it very usable, but he complained that rockbox drains the battery a lot |
| 02:50:54 | JdGordon| | same resolution, bigger screen |
| 02:51:03 | JdGordon| | which should make it easier to use, but it looks smaller |
| 02:51:08 | JdGordon| | maybe it was just the font |
| 02:51:20 | JdGordon| | although even with the largets one it was crap |
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| 02:57:00 | JdGordon| | kugel: have you looke at the resize patch yet? |
| 02:59:03 | kugel | what resize patch? |
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| 03:00:23 | JdGordon| | dynamic screen size i mean |
| 03:01:11 | kugel | only a bit |
| 03:01:18 | kugel | how does it deal with themes? |
| 03:02:35 | JdGordon| | smartly :p |
| 03:02:42 | JdGordon| | well for cabbie anyway |
| 03:03:30 | JdGordon| | cabbie is he setting value, it then tries cabbie.skin then cabbie.WxHx16.skin |
| 03:03:44 | JdGordon| | ditto for the backdrop images |
| 03:04:12 | kugel | so all cabbie versions are installed? |
| 03:04:27 | JdGordon| | yeah, but we need to change that |
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| 03:04:32 | JdGordon| | 7MB apk is not very nice |
| 03:04:45 | JdGordon| | but really, neither is downloading 7MB of fonts on first load either |
| 03:05:47 | kugel | 7MB apk means 21MB on disk |
| 03:05:54 | JdGordon| | exactly |
| 03:06:18 | JdGordon| | actuslly it was worse... 40MB on disk before i moved the fonts and themes to the sdcard, then only 15 |
| 03:08:07 | JdGordon| | we could put the theme downloader activity into the apk and then have it auto load on first run which would be a tad nicer |
| 03:08:25 | JdGordon| | and add smarts to only download the one required font for the cabbie for that screen szie |
| 03:08:58 | kugel | we'd just have the right zips on the download server, wpsbuild.pl has the smarts already |
| 03:09:19 | JdGordon| | true |
| 03:09:35 | JdGordon| | slight pain to setup though, but still better than wasting heaps in the apk |
| 03:12:21 | kugel | I don't see a great advantage in resolution independant builds if themes are still resolution dependant, but well |
| 03:12:54 | JdGordon| | from a users POV it is much nicer |
| 03:13:23 | JdGordon| | well, unless we put each size on the market and make it only for that size which sucks for us |
| 03:13:32 | JdGordon| | but I want resizing for sdl anyway |
| 03:15:36 | scorche | JdGordon|: if you drum up an 800x480 version, i can try it out on my G2 - it has a higher PPI than the galaxy s devices |
| 03:16:09 | JdGordon| | that is the other problem.... andorid currently forces portait |
| 03:16:14 | JdGordon| | is the g2 always landscape? |
| 03:16:20 | scorche | of course not |
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| 03:17:09 | JdGordon| | http://jdgorodn.info/rockbox/rockbox.apk should work fine, except its 2 weeks old so doesnt have the battery life fix from last week(?) |
| 03:18:32 | JdGordon| | it would be nice to have a setting to chose landscape or portait |
| 03:19:36 | scorche | i think android users would generally be confused as to why there is a setting when most other apps auto-detect and rotate - i understand of course why we need a setting, but that is how the typical android user would probably feel |
| 03:19:41 | kugel | JdGordon|: most plugins will also be heavily resolution dependant I'm afraid |
| 03:19:56 | JdGordon| | no they wont |
| 03:20:09 | kugel | scorche: I've seen many apps which offer this setting |
| 03:20:28 | kugel | auto rotate is one of the options (and usually default) though |
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| 03:21:16 | JdGordon| | we should be able to reload the theme on rotation though |
| 03:21:21 | JdGordon| | something worth playing with... |
| 03:21:42 | JdGordon| | and I dont see plugins coming to raa any time soon, not the graphical ones anyway |
| 03:21:49 | kugel | JdGordon: many plugins use bitmaps, I think those would be dependent, perhaps others too |
| 03:23:59 | JdGordon| | we could even get it to download the extras pack if needed (which would include screen dependant plugins) |
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| 03:25:45 | saratoga | someone on the forums says vorbis doesn't work on his Tegra 2 powered Android tablet |
| 03:26:10 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Is there a tag for "volume as percentile"? |
| 03:26:16 | saratoga | Tegra 2 is a really weird ARM flavor in that it has armv7, a cortex a9 but no NEON |
| 03:26:25 | saratoga | i wonder if it somehow lacks something else that our asm code needs |
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| 03:29:22 | scorche | rockbox seems fine here |
| 03:29:30 | scorche | is there a proper way to quit rockbox yet? |
| 03:30:08 | kugel | you don't need to quit it |
| 03:31:14 | scorche | the icon in the notifications bar can get annoying |
| 03:31:25 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I had assumed that it was possible to display volume as a percentile with a simple tag, but apparently not? the code must be there somewhat, for pregressbar style volume bars to work, but it seems like I have to do a really nasty long conditional statement like: %?pv<0|1|2|3|4|...|99|100|> |
| 03:31:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Is there a way to do that that doesn't suck? |
| 03:31:49 | kugel | scorche: stop music (not pause), then it goes away |
| 03:32:40 | scorche | ah |
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| 03:33:42 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: yeah, no way to do it nicely |
| 03:33:56 | S_a_i_n_t | glarf. :/ |
| 03:34:15 | JdGordon| | I can add it! |
| 03:34:31 | S_a_i_n_t | ....you'll get no complaints here. |
| 03:34:46 | JdGordon| | I promise I will :D |
| 03:34:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I just discovered I wanted it, and it wasn't available. |
| 03:34:55 | JdGordon| | pixelma might just kill me D: |
| 03:35:38 | kugel | haven't we discussed this a lot? |
| 03:35:52 | JdGordon| | various euopeans wanting to kill me? |
| 03:35:53 | JdGordon| | yep |
| 03:36:17 | kugel | percentage for volume |
| 03:36:30 | JdGordon| | it used to be like that! |
| 03:36:36 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm really not sure what the problem is with adding the tag. |
| 03:36:54 | S_a_i_n_t | it's perfectly reasonable to want to display volume as a percentile |
| 03:37:01 | JdGordon| | no it isnt! |
| 03:37:03 | saratoga | we should just make all tags individually dependent on config file entries then people can turn off the ones they don't like |
| 03:37:15 | JdGordon| | saratoga: you mean, the skin file :p |
| 03:37:29 | kugel | saratoga: we have that already |
| 03:37:38 | saratoga | yeah but this way you can save 10 bytes of ram by disabling tags you don't want in the skin engine |
| 03:38:24 | kugel | S_a_i_n_t: percentage doesn't map easily to dB |
| 03:38:52 | S_a_i_n_t | progressbar type volume display seems to do it well enough |
| 03:41:00 | kugel | well, you're "supposed to" make the images a dB scale but most people don't |
| 03:41:31 | S_a_i_n_t | you're not "supposed" to do anything with a theme |
| 03:41:42 | S_a_i_n_t | that's the beauty of it, it's *your* theme |
| 03:42:04 | kugel | hence the " |
| 03:42:39 | kugel | but with dB scale images it'll be beautyful and correct at the same time |
| 03:45:53 | saratoga | its really amazing how much I hate our test_codec sample file |
| 03:45:57 | S_a_i_n_t | most users (speculation) expect a volume display (a percentile one at least) to be scaled from min-to-max volume...the real debate comes in when what 100% should indicate, 0db or "max volume" |
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| 03:46:25 | saratoga | S_a_i_n_t: yeah but they also unknowingly expect the positions to be log spaced, not linear spaced |
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| 03:46:30 | Llorean | S_a_i_n_t: So is 50% half the range range or the point at which it's at half apparent maximum loudness? |
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| 03:46:47 | saratoga | if you linear space percentages people will think its broken :) |
| 03:46:50 | Llorean | Is 50% half as loud as 100%? |
| 03:47:09 | saratoga | since on linear scale 80, 90 and 100% have the same apparent loudness |
| 03:47:31 | saratoga | and 50% is just a tiny bit quieter then 100% |
| 03:48:01 | saratoga | actually since most of our devices use 1 or 1.5dB volume steps, 70, 80 , 100% would literally have the same volume |
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| 03:50:36 | Llorean | Not to mention none of our devices even *have* 100 steps do they? |
| 03:50:57 | saratoga | no, but a lot of them don't line up exactly with the db scale we show anyway |
| 03:51:13 | saratoga | since so many have 1.5dB steps |
| 03:51:34 | Llorean | saratoga: I was wondering about that. On a 1.5 step one should going down from 0db go "0, -2, -3, -5, -6, -8, -9"? |
| 03:51:38 | saratoga | so sometimes you'll change the voluem 1 dB on a lot of players and it doesn't actually change |
| 03:51:43 | Llorean | Ah |
| 03:51:47 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Is there some way I can add "char X" to each menu entry, but have it right aligned without using spaces to align it artificially? |
| 03:52:03 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd like to add the ">" the iPod OF menu structure has. |
| 03:52:23 | S_a_i_n_t | and that's the most realistic way I have of doing it I think. |
| 03:53:06 | JdGordon| | not easily |
| 03:53:18 | JdGordon| | actually.... maybe |
| 03:53:32 | JdGordon| | yeah, no |
| 03:53:40 | S_a_i_n_t | bugger. |
| 03:53:54 | Llorean | What happened to the icons-on-the-right idea? |
| 03:54:09 | S_a_i_n_t | the line selector won't run over top of it |
| 03:54:35 | S_a_i_n_t | if the line selector can be placed overtop of icons one day...then that'll work fine. |
| 03:55:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I forgot the line selector doesn't go overtop of icons when you suggested, I felt rather defeated when I remembered it. |
| 03:58:44 | JdGordon| | if you *always* want extra text on th eline then the list could do it |
| 03:58:49 | JdGordon| | but you only want it in menus right? |
| 03:59:22 | JdGordon| | you could possibly do it in the menus list callback and just calculate how wide the current string is and how many spaces and > you need to concat |
| 03:59:30 | JdGordon| | but then scrollling lines will break |
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| 04:08:03 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: you want icons on the right with colour inversion to do it properly? |
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| 04:09:10 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Icons would be the best way to do it, as the ">" char is only present on menu items that have a submenu...and there's an icon for that in Rb. |
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| 04:09:25 | S_a_i_n_t | The only shitter is that the line selector will mess it up. |
| 04:09:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I need it to pass over the icons as though they were a part of the actual menu entry |
| 04:10:30 | S_a_i_n_t | that's why I asked about adding it to part of the menu entry string, as then it will do the appropriate colour change when selected also. |
| 04:12:10 | Llorean | Didn't the line selector used to pass over the icons? Since this is going to require a custom build anyway, why not make it do so again? |
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| 04:12:47 | JdGordon| | that could work |
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| 05:17:02 | alexbobP | is there some kind of software hold for the clip+? |
| 05:17:37 | alexbobP | saint told me there was earlier, but I just went through the manual and can't find anything about it |
| 05:20:22 | mc2739 | alexbobP: clip+ software hold is: home+select |
| 05:21:01 | * | alexbobP tries it |
| 05:21:43 | alexbobP | works, thanks! |
| 05:21:45 | * | alexbobP hugs mc2739 |
| 05:22:03 | saratoga | its under 4.3.1. WPS Key Controls in the manual |
| 05:22:09 | saratoga | although not very easy to find |
| 05:31:05 | saratoga | wow my new mp3 filterbank mostly works |
| 05:31:09 | saratoga | on the first try |
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| 05:45:07 | saratoga | well it mostly works but finding this bug is like a needle in a haystack :( |
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| 05:55:58 | saratoga | Buschel: FS #11759 - Rearrange libmad synthesis memory acceses for arm |
| 05:56:08 | saratoga | not quite working yet, but getting close |
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| 06:06:21 | dodddummy | the main question is "who from the rockbox dev team should i propose to?" |
| 06:09:14 | saratoga | propose what? |
| 06:15:09 | krazykit | marriage! |
| 06:21:28 | JdGordon| | pick me! |
| 06:21:35 | JdGordon| | wait, can you cook? |
| 06:25:51 | dodddummy | not sure what. but i love them. and it's true love. |
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| 07:32:06 | dodddummy | wholly smack! it's got games, too? |
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| 07:56:14 | Buschel | TheSeven: I also played around with mp3, clocking and the buffering_thread debug screen. if you use the unboosted clock, mp3 needs ~43 MHz (220 kbps file). it can be played unboosted, if you simply reduce the frame rate of the debug screen from HZ/5 to HZ/2. |
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| 07:56:36 | Buschel | TheSeven: the same was happening with the iPod Video that also has a slow screen driver. |
| 07:58:29 | Buschel | TheSeven: with the LCD sleep patch and a sleeping LCD (which also suppresses screen updates), there should be only few −− or even none −− boosts left on high bitrate files or when using software equalizer |
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| 08:11:08 | fuzzybunny69y | Hey guys! I am using Rockbox 3.7 and for some reason when I hook it up to some external speakers the volume is really low even if I put the volume on the ipod(30gb) and the external speakers to max. Does anyone know of anything I could do to correct the problem? |
| 08:13:58 | sinthetek | the speakers sound ok when connected to other devices and/or the original firmware? |
| 08:14:44 | Buschel | fuzzybunny69y: maybe the line out is disabled (one of the system settings) or you have the ipod set to low volume (volume setting also changes the line out, if set to lower than -56 dB) |
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| 08:17:05 | fuzzybunny69y | sinthetek, hmm that is a good test I tried my brothers ipod which is the exact same model and the original firmware was fine but i will have to copy some songs onto the origin firmware |
| 08:17:50 | fuzzybunny69y | Bushel it is connected using the bottom connector(the data cable) not through the headphone jack |
| 08:18:14 | Buschel | fuzzybunny69y: yes, that's clear. my comment is valid for the connector. |
| 08:19:40 | Buschel | maybe you also need to switch on Accessory Power Supply? |
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| 08:21:17 | fuzzybunny69y | Bushel ok I will give that I try ;) |
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| 08:24:44 | fuzzybunny69y | oh wow Buschel I changed the line out setting and it is a lot louder now!! |
| 08:24:49 | fuzzybunny69y | how nice |
| 08:25:11 | fuzzybunny69y | thanks so much you guys |
| 08:25:13 | fuzzybunny69y | your so great |
| 08:27:37 | Buschel | just keep it disabled, if you do not need it. it saves some power. |
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| 08:28:29 | TheSeven | [23:24] <Buschel> TheSeven: if I use FastMode, is CPU clock set to HCLK or to PCLK ? << FastBus? => HCLK |
| 08:29:46 | TheSeven | from a hardware point of view we could do a 2-level scheme for the system bus, and linear scaling for the CPU |
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| 09:08:54 | pixelma | Llorean: "Not to mention none of our devices even *have* 100 steps do they?" Archos devices have even more (-100dB to +12dB), except maybe the Player). And about the line selector going "over" the icons, it ones did yes, but is gone for a long time since some rework and I believe it was before adding gradient line selectors, maybe even line selector colours at all. I guess it won't be easy to "just" add it again |
| 09:11:24 | amiconn | s/maybe// |
| 09:13:18 | amiconn | Player has -78 dB to +18 dB, in 1.5 dB steps, below -54 dB even in 3 dB steps |
| 09:15:21 | amiconn | But then expressing volume as a percentage is nonsense anyway |
| 09:16:26 | JdGord | Adding line selectors under the icon probably would be trivial |
| 09:16:36 | JdGord | Or at least easy enough |
| 09:18:20 | pixelma | well, and why did it go? |
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| 09:24:08 | JdGord | Yeah should be pretty simple. Pretty sure it's been that way at least as before I was interested in GUI code |
| 09:25:37 | amiconn | Afair the selection bar never overlapped the icon |
| 09:25:44 | pixelma | I'm sure it did |
| 09:26:09 | pixelma | and was changed during some rework, I believe when icons became bitmaps or somesuch |
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| 09:26:38 | pixelma | I mean "external" ones |
| 09:26:49 | amiconn | Ii don't think so |
| 09:27:17 | amiconn | Maybe when the selector bar got different modes on colour targets |
| 09:27:34 | amiconn | But then I still think it never did... |
| 09:28:04 | pixelma | I find the discussion silly as no-one has facts and won't continue this way |
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| 09:30:45 | pixelma | probably but it won't be easy to find |
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| 09:32:27 | [Saint] | svn diff <revision you're pretty sure is old enough to have the feature/change> > patch.patch |
| 09:32:34 | [Saint] | how far back am I looking? |
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| 09:33:16 | pixelma | quite |
| 09:34:25 | pixelma | and what's your diff supposed to do? If you want to try older versions, just check those out |
| 09:35:06 | pixelma | I doubt you can spot such a change in a mega patch you get with that. If you are lucky it is mentioned in a commit message |
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| 09:36:26 | [Saint] | 'twould be pretty easy to filter out the junk. |
| 09:36:38 | [Saint] | it's not like noone knows the rough area to start looking in the code. |
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| 09:38:20 | pixelma | errr... I bet the structure has changed a lot since then. If you think you can, I won't hold you back |
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| 09:47:16 | mrkiko | it's the morning here :) |
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| 11:59:29 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: where is the main stack defined for Nano2G? |
| 11:59:32 | S_a_i_n_t | I seem to have lost it. |
| 11:59:51 | TheSeven | firmware/target/s5l8700/app.lds |
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| 12:00:04 | TheSeven | look for ". += 0x4000" |
| 12:00:54 | S_a_i_n_t | aha I would have found it but I grep-failed |
| 12:00:56 | S_a_i_n_t | rhanks. |
| 12:01:07 | S_a_i_n_t | *thanks |
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| 12:09:23 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: What would you suggest I change the stack to to give me enough room for aa fonts? |
| 12:09:28 | S_a_i_n_t | 0x3000? |
| 12:09:39 | TheSeven | 3e00 works |
| 12:09:48 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks. |
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| 12:43:38 | JdGordon | do we have a setting to draw icons on the right already? |
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| 12:47:53 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Not that I know of. |
| 12:49:10 | JdGordon | I'm having trouble finding how the selector is actually drawn, I think what needs to happen is the list needs to draw the rectandle (filled or whatever) and then the text ontop of that instead of leaving it to the lcd text drawing code |
| 12:49:25 | JdGordon | which means scrolling might cause problems |
| 12:49:48 | [Saint] | scrolling always seem to be the bain of cool list stuff. :/ |
| 12:50:20 | [Saint] | a themed list/line selector would be awesome. |
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| 12:51:20 | JdGordon | actually maybe not... |
| 12:53:10 | JdGordon | yeah, putsxyofs_style() needs fixing... (IIUC) it only draws under text even if the x offset is inside the viewport |
| 12:53:25 | JdGordon | it should be able to make that use the whole viewport instead of just the text width |
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| 13:01:42 | JdGordon | that may not actually be all that difficult... just a tiny bit of refactoring |
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| 13:33:49 | CIA-7 | New commit by teru (r28603): FS #11751: increase buffer size of settings to store path. |
| 13:36:12 | CIA-7 | r28603 build result: All green |
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| 13:43:42 | Stummi | teru, btw, I splittet the rockboy-patch into 5 files now and attached them to a comment to the task. Is this ok so? |
| 13:45:49 | Stummi | (I hope, you excuse my mistakes. Rockbox is the first time i am contributing to an OSS-Project :) ) |
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| 13:49:39 | teru | i think it's ok. |
| 13:50:21 | Stummi | ok, thanks |
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| 14:22:13 | JdGordon | teru: you probably should have used MAX_PATH instead of MAX_PATHNAME |
| 14:22:22 | JdGordon | 80 is just as arbitrarily wrong as 32 was |
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| 15:24:03 | wodz | MPIO engineers are the masters of complicate things. Slide strip of the HD300 output signals like rotary encoder. Why the hell the didn't use functions provided by synaptics chipset present in touch module. |
| 15:28:23 | wodz | Touchstrip, when pressed at the very bottom provides stable two square waveforms shifted by 90o by each other with the frequency of around 20Hz. On the rising edge of gpio6 the gpio7 is low. When pressed at the very top on the rising edge of gpio6 the gpio7 is high. Scrolling changes frequency and proportion of high to low periods (but this may be artifact of my oscilloscope). |
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| 15:31:54 | wodz | ok at least they connected this to gpios with interrupt capabilities |
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| 15:48:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Have you played around with the touchpad code for the HDD63x0 as of late? I've noticed that the touchpad's behavior is still a bit funky. |
| 15:48:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Sometimes the touchpad becomes non-responsive if you press the View button. |
| 15:52:09 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes, i've had some sporadic problems with it, but i wasn't able to reproduce it, the view button is handled with the same method like the other buttons, it's a normal button packet. |
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| 15:54:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: But for some reason, and I can't quite place my finger on it, pressing View causes the other buttons to start behaving strange. |
| 15:55:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: For example, on mine, both the PREV and the Left buttons stop responding in the WPS after I press View. |
| 15:56:01 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i think these sporadic problems may be related to the touchpad driver or the hardware, this synaptics is very weird, comparing to the other targets |
| 15:56:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Yes, lowlight mentioned that to me once. |
| 15:56:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I'm going to email him again later on to ask him if maybe he has any bits of advice to give. |
| 15:57:45 | wodz | heh weird synaptics module :-) |
| 15:58:01 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: strange.. i don't remember exactly but the View button worked for me however it stoped working under the other actions |
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| 16:00:29 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: ok, i must test it a bit more, find a solution, but it's hard to reproduce for me. |
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| 16:03:54 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: i'll try to play a bit more with the View button, thanks. |
| 16:06:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: No problem. :) |
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| 16:06:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | wodz: Yeah, bit of a weird behavior on my HDD6330's touchpad. My HDD1630 doesn't exhibit this behavior. |
| 16:07:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: I know that most of the HDD6330 port's code was just adapted from the HDD1630's port due to the similarities between the two. I wonder if lowlight probably hasn't cleaned out some HDD1630-specific bits from the HDD6330 port yet. |
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| 16:10:52 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: no, the touchpad code was the same (almost) on the beginning, it was changed by me :P according to my findings |
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| 16:12:23 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: btw: i don't think that these players are similar, except maybe SOC, RTC, everything else is different |
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| 16:14:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: The ports were similar only in the sense that most of the same code ran on both targets in the beginning. The HDD16x0 port was first into SVN, and in order to compile for the HDD63x0, you had to just change the source to use 64MB RAM, 220x176 LCD and that was it. |
| 16:14:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: But this was *waaaaay* back when the port started about 2 years ago. |
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| 16:18:41 | b0hoon | LambdaCalculus37: yes i know. but when you wan't to run everything right now on the hdd6330 the code must be (had to be - touchpad) strongly adapted for it and changed. |
| 16:20:24 | freddyb | On a Fuze V1 would cutting the boost frequency from 248MHz to 186 give any significant power savings? Keeping it under 200 means the voltage doesn't have to be boosted and then there's no need to wait for voltage adjustment. |
| 16:21:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | b0hoon: Yup. |
| 16:21:58 | freddyb | I'm also playing around with a lower pclk and it seems to work fine... Anyone know a reason not to do this? |
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| 16:30:47 | Zagor | freddyb: it's all just a balancing act. too low idle clock can affect ui rsponsiveness. |
| 16:31:19 | Zagor | lowering boost could mean some cpu-intensive codecs fail to run. |
| 16:32:29 | Zagor | but of course avoiding voltage boost is a benefit too |
| 16:36:25 | freddyb | Which codecs are more demanding? |
| 16:39:47 | Zagor | see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 16:40:26 | freddyb | Thanks |
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| 16:43:57 | saratoga | freddyb: its worth looking into |
| 16:45:16 | freddyb | I've been playing around with my Fuze v1 but I've only checked vorbis and mpeg video so far. |
| 16:46:32 | saratoga | IMO on fuze v1 ideal would be a way to reclock the PCLK for boost, and then do 31 idle, ~100 boosted, and then have a third level for mpegplayer and ape |
| 16:46:45 | saratoga | with plck of 31, 62 and 62 respectively |
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| 16:49:14 | freddyb | Hmm. How to tell if the cpu is waiting for memory? |
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| 16:50:43 | saratoga | freddyb: in general or in a specific block of code? |
| 16:51:09 | saratoga | for codecs, I would say disable boosting in test_codec, then run with boosting and see how much the MHz to decode changes |
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| 16:51:19 | saratoga | since boosting increases teh CPU clock but not the memory clock on AMS |
| 16:51:39 | saratoga | on amsv2 it spends quite a lot of time waiting on memory when boosted |
| 16:52:13 | freddyb | OK. Maybe boosting pclk is important then. |
| 16:57:30 | alexbobP | is the sansa clip the smallest rockbox target? |
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| 17:03:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | alexbobP: In terms of physical size? AFAIK yes. |
| 17:04:45 | CIA-7 | r28604 build result: All green |
| 17:06:16 | alexbobP | LambdaCalculus37: woot |
| 17:06:24 | alexbobP | I have the smallest mp3 player that doesn't suck :D |
| 17:06:40 | alexbobP | actually I have the clip+, which I think is slightly smaller than the original clip (if I'm not mistaken) |
| 17:07:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | alexbobP: I have a Clip v1 and a Clip v2. |
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| 17:09:21 | saratoga | freddyb: another fun idea that we never got anywhere with on the fuzev1 was seeing if it was possible to run at the memory controller at 2x pclk |
| 17:09:39 | alexbobP | LambdaCalculus37: have you compared to a clip+? do you know how the size compares? |
| 17:09:39 | saratoga | the datasheet suggests its possible |
| 17:09:44 | saratoga | pretty similar |
| 17:09:49 | saratoga | maybe very slightly larger |
| 17:09:50 | alexbobP | LambdaCalculus37: I owned a clip, I think v1, but I dunno, a good long time ago... |
| 17:09:57 | alexbobP | LambdaCalculus37: I lost it a long time before rockbox had support |
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| 17:10:00 | saratoga | if you have a clip and remove the clip part thats as small as you get |
| 17:10:08 | alexbobP | hehe |
| 17:10:18 | alexbobP | well I meant smallest retail |
| 17:10:32 | alexbobP | otherwise we get into case-modding territory... |
| 17:10:49 | alexbobP | checkitout guys, rockbox on a clip+ in ipod nano touch chassis >_> |
| 17:11:58 | pixelma | alexbobP: the difference is I think that on the v1 and v2 Clips the clip is removable and on the Clip+ it's (usually) fixed |
| 17:12:02 | alexbobP | LambdaCalculus37: well it looks like sandisk publishes the exact same dimensions for the two products |
| 17:12:06 | pixelma | so no case-modding needed |
| 17:12:10 | alexbobP | pixelma: yeah, it's fixed on mine :/ |
| 17:12:43 | alexbobP | pixelma: but I meant, if you are allowed to take off parts, you can make it even *smaller* with case-modding |
| 17:12:48 | alexbobP | I'm not saying removing the clip is a case-mod :P |
| 17:13:11 | alexbobP | anyways it would be silly. the clip *already* has an awesome form factor! |
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| 17:25:17 | n1s | wow, increasing the codebook decoding cache size in tremor speeds up decoding of high bitrate files a lot on coldfire |
| 17:26:03 | n1s | ~12% |
| 17:28:43 | n1s | now, if it wasn't for all these dynamically sized allocs i could know if this would fit in the codec buffers of the targets with smaller codec buffers :/ |
| 17:32:03 | n1s | on the 500kbps file in test_files this increases the malloced memory size ~28k |
| 17:32:31 | n1s | could be #ifdef'ed for targets with small buffers of course |
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| 17:34:48 | freddyb | saratoga: does that need external memory? |
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| 17:42:34 | lionfury | anyone here |
| 17:42:46 | lionfury | i gotta question |
| 17:42:58 | lionfury | obviously no one cares |
| 17:43:12 | lionfury | REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:43:15 | lionfury | MOTHERFUCKERS |
| 17:43:19 | lionfury | ASSHOLES |
| 17:43:26 | lionfury | IM NOT EVEN THE REAL LIONFURY |
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| 17:43:34 | lionfury | I JUST WANNA GET HIM BLOCKED!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 17:52:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | My, my, such behavior... |
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| 17:54:51 | saratoga | freddyb: yeah the fuzev1 has an external 8 MB DRAM rated for 120MHz, and the included memory controller is rated at 90 MHz according to the datasheet |
| 17:55:12 | saratoga | so in theory is could be run higher then pclk, maybe improving performance |
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| 17:57:21 | freddyb | I see now, although I'm exploring how slow I can make things without breaking the Rockbox Experience(TM). |
| 17:57:53 | saratoga | its probably worth trying a battery bench with a fast codec like flac with stock rockbox, and then again with lowered clocks |
| 17:57:59 | saratoga | to see what kind of savings is available |
| 17:58:27 | EvanCarroll | Is the 200% pitch limiter there for a reason? |
| 17:59:48 | EvanCarroll | I assume the greater the pitch the more it takes to decode the track, but is that the reason why it is there? or is it just because it is assumed useful at 200% |
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| 18:00:41 | n1s | it's probably just an arbitrary limit |
| 18:00:49 | EvanCarroll | =( |
| 18:01:34 | EvanCarroll | I'm loving the feature, it makes the tape sound like a chipmonk but I can swing through audio books I've heard much faster than 200%, and ones that I haven't heard comfortably at 200%. |
| 18:01:54 | saratoga | how does the pitch thing work anyway? |
| 18:02:00 | saratoga | fft based or something else? |
| 18:02:22 | n1s | i'd guess linear interpolation |
| 18:02:32 | EvanCarroll | no idea, I just like it because it makes the track play "faster" |
| 18:02:32 | n1s | simiöar to the resampler |
| 18:02:58 | EvanCarroll | It's surprisingly awesome, if you can get over not ridiculing the chipmonk sound. |
| 18:03:08 | n1s | EvanCarroll: did you know there's a timestretch feature that let's you change the tempo while keeping pitch the same |
| 18:03:50 | EvanCarroll | whaT??!?! |
| 18:03:58 | EvanCarroll | no I didn't know that ;) |
| 18:04:01 | EvanCarroll | I'll have to seeit. |
| 18:04:52 | EvanCarroll | Anyway, I'm addicted for the time being to The Teaching Company, this feature which I only started using a week ago is totally addicting. |
| 18:07:31 | EvanCarroll | Due to the limitations of the algorithm, speed is limited to be between 35% and 250% of the current pitch value. Pitch must maintain the same ratio as well as remain between 50% and 200%. |
| 18:07:37 | EvanCarroll | I guess that's why it is stuck at 200% |
| 18:08:31 | EvanCarroll | enabling time stretch and changing the pitch does not make a difference on the e200v2 target |
| 18:08:35 | EvanCarroll | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-640004.3.3 |
| 18:08:57 | freddyb | EvanCarroll: I think I would squish my audio book before I loaded onto the player if I were you. More battery life, smaller filesizes, less screwing around with the pitch screen... |
| 18:10:22 | EvanCarroll | timestretch adds this humming noise in the background, if it is more pitch correct, it only sounds slightly better. |
| 18:10:43 | EvanCarroll | freddyb: If I do end up doing that, I would have never considered it without the feature built into rockbox. |
| 18:11:20 | freddyb | Point taken. |
| 18:13:28 | freddyb | There's "better" time stretch algorithm posted on FS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10320 that's been sitting for a while. |
| 18:33:14 | n1s | ah, almost ~10% speedup on the 500kbps file on PP too |
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| 19:05:43 | n1s | interestingly made almost no diff on the fuze... |
| 19:06:51 | saratoga | which fuze? |
| 19:07:04 | n1s | v1 |
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| 19:07:17 | saratoga | do you have a diff? |
| 19:07:37 | n1s | i can post one, 1sec |
| 19:08:39 | n1s | http://pastebin.ca/1992413 |
| 19:08:59 | n1s | the CODEC_SIZE condition is kind of arbitrary |
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| 19:10:17 | saratoga | is that buffer in IRAM? |
| 19:10:20 | saratoga | probably not... |
| 19:10:22 | n1s | no |
| 19:11:12 | saratoga | fuzev1 performance is extremely weird |
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| 19:11:27 | saratoga | i can't figure out why it behaves the way it does |
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| 19:11:38 | n1s | increasing this saves a lot of searches in the codelist with is not in iram either so it saves a bunch of loads from dram, especially on high bitrate files |
| 19:11:43 | n1s | saratoga: indeed |
| 19:18:29 | AlexP | bluebrother, domonoky1: In rbutil when the dialog pops up telling you you need to download an OF (for e.g. fuze), are you supposed to be able to click on the bits in underlined blue that look likes links? (Sansa Forums, wiki, manual). If so, I can't :) |
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| 19:30:54 | saratoga | we need to play around with the test_mem plugin on amsv1 until someone understands whats going on there |
| 19:31:03 | saratoga | it seems to be unlike all other arm9 targets |
| 19:31:12 | saratoga | i wonder if it has a broken cache like the old PPs or something similar |
| 19:31:30 | Buschel | TheSeven: I have got severe problems with the voltage scaling on my local build |
| 19:31:32 | domonoky1 | AlexP: yes, it should be clickable (its a URL in richtext), but it probably depends on the OS if it really is clickable. |
| 19:31:54 | AlexP | domonoky1: Isn't clickable here in linux (kde on Arch) |
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| 19:34:01 | Buschel | TheSeven: I have got this patch applied to the build (gui boost): http://pastie.org/1300254 |
| 19:34:09 | domonoky1 | AlexP: Thanks for the info, but we probably can not fix that, its controlled by Qt. |
| 19:34:31 | AlexP | Ok, it isn't a big deal - it just confused me |
| 19:34:53 | AlexP | I'm a simple soul :) |
| 19:35:56 | Buschel | TheSeven: As soon as I start to scroll (which will boost the CPU) the nano crashes. If I comment the pmu_write's and the sleep it works fine... A mutex does not help either... Any idea? |
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| 19:36:21 | TheSeven | and this doesn't happen without that gui boosting patch? |
| 19:37:30 | Buschel | no. it must be either some timing issue (that's why I though a mutex could help) or any other issue I did not recognize so far... |
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| 20:01:22 | amiconn | saratoga: I may fill in coldfire info later. For now I've fixed the PP info :) |
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| 20:03:06 | Buschel | TheSeven: when inserting the sleep() in set_cpu_frequency() the lockup happens |
| 20:03:37 | TheSeven | hm, I can't see how yielding in a UI thread can hurt |
| 20:03:57 | TheSeven | have you tried keeping the i2c writes and throwing the sleep out? |
| 20:04:07 | Buschel | yes, just doing it -> works |
| 20:04:28 | TheSeven | so you can actually run it at 192MHz with 0.900V Vcore for short periods of time? |
| 20:05:02 | Buschel | it seems so, but I am not sure what will happen when this is done over a longer period of time |
| 20:06:29 | TheSeven | try it :) |
| 20:06:39 | TheSeven | maybe yours is stable under these conditions |
| 20:08:09 | * | Buschel is normally lucky with his targets |
| 20:08:18 | Buschel | my iPod Video runs stable at 100MHz :) |
| 20:08:26 | Buschel | for years now |
| 20:09:36 | Buschel | when inserting sleep(HZ/100) the tick-task crashes... |
| 20:09:58 | Buschel | *to the tick-task |
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| 20:12:31 | TheSeven | oh, this is called from the tick task? |
| 20:12:37 | TheSeven | forget about blocking on anything from there |
| 20:12:57 | Buschel | yes, after some debugging... not the best idea, isnt' it ;) |
| 20:13:07 | TheSeven | that's interesting |
| 20:13:26 | TheSeven | i just tried to do I2C from the tick task yesterday, without sleeps, and it failed |
| 20:13:37 | TheLemonMan | anyone worked on freescale SoC ? |
| 20:13:42 | Buschel | it is called from "button_tick" task |
| 20:13:42 | TheSeven | it must fail, because an IRQ handler can't possibly wait on an IRQ |
| 20:14:10 | Buschel | so, we might use active wait instead? |
| 20:14:16 | n1s | TheLemonMan: the gigabeat s has a freescale SoC |
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| 20:14:36 | TheSeven | first of all we should figure out how much delay we actually need |
| 20:14:45 | TheLemonMan | cool, i have a 3700 device and i dont know how to power on the heaphones |
| 20:15:04 | TheSeven | i just chose 10ms because our sleep implementation doesn't have more resolution anyway, and because it should be sufficient |
| 20:15:23 | TheLemonMan | the dsp is controlled via /dev/dsp but i cant hear any sound, so i guessed headphones were teh problem |
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| 20:16:25 | n1s | iirc, the gigabeat s has a gpio controlled headphone mute |
| 20:17:52 | TheLemonMan | i should avoid using direct hw access, theres a nice /dev/gpio interface tho :P |
| 20:17:59 | TheLemonMan | link to the gigabeat code ? |
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| 20:19:47 | n1s | it's in svn |
| 20:20:09 | n1s | are you planning to run rockbox as an app on that player? |
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| 20:21:45 | TheLemonMan | as long as i get working audio |
| 20:22:22 | n1s | can't you check what the app running on it usually does? |
| 20:24:09 | TheLemonMan | ive already done that (samsung left a diagnostic tool with debug symbols in the player) |
| 20:24:24 | TheLemonMan | but theres no reference to gpio writes nor memory writes |
| 20:25:34 | saratoga | this audio corruption in my libmad synth_filter patch is driving me nuts |
| 20:25:54 | saratoga | i double checked all the filter coefficients as they're loaded and they seem identical to the svn version |
| 20:26:03 | saratoga | but theres still some glitching so something must have changed |
| 20:26:33 | n1s | TheLemonMan: well, it's hard to know what' s going on without having it to poke on but that diagnostic tool can output sound? |
| 20:27:11 | TheLemonMan | yeah, outputs a sine wave |
| 20:27:54 | n1s | and you diassembled this too or ran it through gdb or something? |
| 20:28:00 | n1s | s/too/tool/ |
| 20:28:42 | TheLemonMan | ive disassembled it |
| 20:29:54 | n1s | ah |
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| 20:32:29 | Buschel | TheSeven: if I read the spec of a pcf5606 correct a stepwise change from 0.9 to 1.0 V takes 4*8 us, instantaneous will be faster. so, let's assume the switch will take<0.1 ms |
| 20:33:48 | n1s | udelay should be fine then |
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| 20:44:22 | TheLemonMan | this string looks intresting, might be a dsp codec issue ? |
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| 21:18:25 | soap | JdGordon, have you been paying attention at all to the "Playlists" thread in the forums. It is not exactly in line with some of your recent work, but if I am understanding the description of the Apple Firmware correctly it is a very interesting and perhaps useful interface design. Just curious as to your thoughts on it. |
| 21:18:40 | soap | s/Playlists/Playlisting/ |
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| 21:22:38 | keenerd | Silly thought, has there ever been a patch for set operations on playlists? E.g., add to playlist "beatles" subtract from playlist "yellow submarine". |
| 21:23:17 | Llorean | keenerd: You can add files to playlists easily using the playlist catalog. |
| 21:23:37 | keenerd | I've read the manual :-) |
| 21:23:42 | Llorean | To remove I think they playlist needs to actually be loaded (since a file can appear multiple times, for example, so you'd be removing an explicit line) |
| 21:23:54 | Llorean | keenerd: If you've read the manual, why did you ask about adding to playlists? |
| 21:24:09 | keenerd | I did not. I asked about set operations. |
| 21:24:16 | alexbobP | keenerd: I've always wanted a media player to do things like that! I haven't even found a desktop media player that does... |
| 21:24:38 | Llorean | keenerd: Your description doesn't differentiate your "add to playlist "beatles"" from the existing add to playlist functionality though... |
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| 21:24:48 | alexbobP | union, intersection, and not... |
| 21:24:55 | keenerd | Llorean: /me facepalms. |
| 21:24:56 | alexbobP | they'd be totally awesome |
| 21:25:03 | keenerd | We've got union by default. |
| 21:25:09 | keenerd | That is just "Play next" |
| 21:25:22 | alexbobP | not quite... you can't slap two playlists together and call it a union, a union would remove duplicates |
| 21:25:53 | Llorean | keenerd: Don't give me that 'facepalm' crap. I gave an honest response. Maybe your assumption that people would know your intent was fine, but I clearly didn't. Maybe try being poilte and explain things rather than being like that? |
| 21:26:06 | keenerd | alexbobP: Fair enough. I do everything directory-wise, so the playlists don't overlap. |
| 21:26:13 | Llorean | alexbobP: Playlists can already have more than one copy of the same song, so why should duplicates be removed when merging? |
| 21:26:31 | alexbobP | Llorean: because that's what union is, and we're talking about set operations? |
| 21:26:36 | keenerd | Llorean: Not everyone wants the song twice in the dynamic playlist. |
| 21:26:37 | alexbobP | Llorean: I realize playlists are *not* sets, so it's not entirely consistent |
| 21:26:51 | Llorean | alexbobP: Yes, it's not. So why talk about treating it as such? |
| 21:26:52 | alexbobP | Llorean: in my use case, the original playlists would not have any duplicates, but they might have tracks in common, and I don't want dupes in the output |
| 21:27:12 | Llorean | If list X has 3 copies of song A and Y has 2 copies, how many does the resultant playlist get? |
| 21:27:20 | alexbobP | that's a good question |
| 21:27:31 | alexbobP | I'd go with 3, I guess |
| 21:27:46 | alexbobP | but someone who already has duplicates in a playlist would probably just not be using the union feature |
| 21:27:49 | alexbobP | either 3 or 1 |
| 21:28:12 | Llorean | Why waste binary size on a feature that's not going to make sense to the majority of users anyway? |
| 21:28:27 | alexbobP | well I wouldn't really add a union, tbh |
| 21:28:37 | alexbobP | I'd just add a "remove all duplicates" if there isn't already one :P |
| 21:28:52 | keenerd | Llorean: Hypothetical situations require a set up. The first half of the hypothetical situation will be obvious/simple/common. The second half will be impossible. Reread my entire statement, no just the first half. |
| 21:28:59 | alexbobP | but intersection would be nice... which tracks are in *both* playlists... and subtract all songs in playlist foo would be nice too |
| 21:29:47 | Llorean | keenerd: I responded to both halfs... |
| 21:30:03 | keenerd | Llorean: Nope. Not one word about set subtraction. |
| 21:30:06 | Llorean | keenerd: But you don't ask "wouldn't it be nice if we could add and remove" when you know we can already add. You'd ask "wouldn't it be nice if we could also remove" |
| 21:30:09 | * | gevaerts thinks that keenerd's original description was clear |
| 21:30:25 | Llorean | keenerd: "(2:23:31 PM) Llorean: To remove I think they playlist needs to actually be loaded (since a file can appear multiple times, for example, so you'd be removing an explicit line)" <−− Did you not see this line? |
| 21:30:42 | keenerd | Llorean: Yup. It was nonsense. |
| 21:30:58 | Llorean | It's an accurate description of what is necessary currently in Rockbox to remove a song from a playlist... |
| 21:31:04 | keenerd | Llorean: If you add a playlist first, then it is already "actually loaded". |
| 21:31:13 | Llorean | "add a playlist"? |
| 21:31:24 | alexbobP | I think he means to your "current" playlist |
| 21:31:24 | Llorean | That doesn't even mean anything. Do you mean "add a song to a playlist?" Because that can be done without loading a playlist. |
| 21:31:35 | keenerd | *dynamic playlist |
| 21:32:01 | Llorean | You didn't mention that this function was explicitly focused on dynamic playlists. |
| 21:32:08 | Llorean | Do you mean all playlists, or just the dynamic playlist? |
| 21:32:44 | keenerd | Whatever is easier to implement or already exists :-) |
| 21:32:57 | Llorean | You can add songs to static playlists without loading them into playback, but removal requires (currently) that they be the playing playlist. |
| 21:33:23 | Llorean | It also requires that you explicitly save the playlist after removing songs from it, which is a hassle last time I checked. |
| 21:33:35 | * | Llorean wouldn't mind an "update playlist on stop" option. |
| 21:33:36 | pixelma | or the text editor (though not very handy) |
| 21:34:30 | Llorean | A proper playlist editor plugin might be nice. |
| 21:35:33 | keenerd | I'm guessing the current playlist would be more useful. Rewording the initial story: Files -> Beatles -> Playlist -> Insert. Files -> Beatles -> Yellow Submarine -> Playlist -> Subtract. |
| 21:37:01 | alexbobP | Llorean: so you *can* remove tracks from the *current* playlist? Would it then be doable to make a "remove all tracks in foo playlist from current playlist" feature? |
| 21:37:02 | keenerd | (Or from the DB interface.) |
| 21:37:03 | pixelma | the one thing I once missed after doing a mistake in playlist manipulation a few times in a short while was undoing the last step (inserted a whole folder next instead of at the end or so), that hasn't happened to me for a long time though and so I forgot about it |
| 21:37:08 | Llorean | keenerd: Does that remove the first instance of the song, or all instance of the song? Queued instance, actually inserted instances, both? |
| 21:37:30 | alexbobP | what's the difference between queued and inserted? |
| 21:37:47 | keenerd | One is popped off the playlist after it is played. |
| 21:37:50 | Llorean | alexbobP: Queued remove themselves after first playback (they aren't actually saved if you save the playlist, basically "play without really adding") |
| 21:38:34 | alexbobP | Llorean: ah, that's good to know. |
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| 21:38:59 | keenerd | Llorean: We have seven different types of "add to playlist" so why not a different "subtract" for each one you've named? |
| 21:39:01 | Llorean | pixelma: An undo like that would be great. I've accidentally insert-shuffled something I wanted in order and it was quite frustrating. |
| 21:39:46 | Llorean | keenerd: There's already a sentiment that there's too much stuff in the playlist menu (I'm pretty sure it it could be reduced to 2/3 the current size actually) |
| 21:40:06 | Buschel | TheSeven: can USEC_TIMER be used for the udelay() implementation on nano2g? s, simply copying udelay from PP? |
| 21:40:16 | TheSeven | probably |
| 21:40:32 | TheSeven | it only has five usecs resolution, but that shouldn't matter |
| 21:40:38 | keenerd | So I take it there are no patches for any sort of "subtract" floating around? |
| 21:40:43 | Llorean | keenerd: If you're just removing one song from the playlist, why is finding it in the filetree and removing it preferable to finding it in the playlist and removing it? |
| 21:41:10 | keenerd | Llorean: It is not one song. It is entire directories or DB searches. |
| 21:41:50 | keenerd | (I figured Beatles were well enough known that people knew their album titles. My bad.) |
| 21:42:01 | Buschel | TheSeven: 5 usec precision, but still usecs? in this case the implementation should be the same |
| 21:42:07 | TheSeven | yes |
| 21:42:42 | TheSeven | there is also a 64bit FIVE_USEC_TIMER thing if you should need that one day |
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| 21:43:04 | CIA-7 | New commit by wodz (r28605): mkmpioboot - Add support for HD300, increase verbosity. |
| 21:43:04 | TheSeven | USEC_TIMER is based on that, multiplied by five and truncated to 32 bits |
| 21:43:45 | Llorean | keenerd: I guess I don't really see it as a significant problem. I don't generally add music that I don't want to listen to in the first place, and I set up playlists in advance that I re-use. It might be a useful feature, but it's probably the sort someone would have to put up a patch for and demonstrate that it won't get in the way / increase size much |
| 21:44:35 | pixelma | Llorean: probably not easy though as you need to store the state of the playlist before the last "action" somewhere |
| 21:45:23 | CIA-7 | r28605 build result: All green |
| 21:45:25 | Buschel | TheSeven: http://pastie.org/1300654 |
| 21:45:27 | keenerd | Llorean: Some people are bad at planning in advance (making playlists) or are completionists who insist on carrying around a band's bad music too. |
| 21:45:48 | Llorean | pixelma: Or store the last action. If you know that you inserted 5 songs at indices 5, 7, 9, 11, 12, then you just remove 5, 7, 9, 11, and 12 from the playlist and you've restored its state. |
| 21:46:16 | TheSeven | Buschel: seems to be ok, but 20µs probably aren't sufficient for the voltage to stabilize |
| 21:46:17 | pixelma | yeah, just realised this myself |
| 21:46:40 | Llorean | keenerd: Rockbox has a history of not trying to cater to everyone, but rather preferring to aim for a good cross section of "functionality" without going into the too minor usages. |
| 21:46:42 | keenerd | pixelma: An easy hack solution would be to half the max playlist size. Though you on;y get one level of undo. |
| 21:47:16 | amiconn | Llorean: Not that simple for delete actions though |
| 21:47:25 | Llorean | pixelma: an action like "shuffle playlist" might be more of a hassle though |
| 21:47:45 | pixelma | keenerd: I don't understand what max playlist size has to do with undo |
| 21:47:48 | Llorean | amiconn: For delete you would need to store a list of deleted files too, yes |
| 21:47:54 | Buschel | TheSeven: then I'll choose 50us, still far less than svn's 10000us ;) |
| 21:47:57 | keenerd | pixelma: Store two copies of it, one for rollback. |
| 21:48:01 | Llorean | pixelma: If you halved the max size, you could store two copies of the playlist. |
| 21:48:05 | TheSeven | i |
| 21:48:10 | amiconn | Shuffling stores the random seed, so that is undoable |
| 21:48:11 | TheSeven | i don't think that will be sufficient either |
| 21:48:31 | TheSeven | what's the lowest stable (besides of sampling rate drops) voltage for 48MHz? |
| 21:48:40 | TheSeven | can you try using that when not boosted? |
| 21:48:57 | TheSeven | if it survives the transition from that to boosted, it should hopefully be fine on all devices |
| 21:51:01 | keenerd | amiconn: Well, if we used a reversable PRNG.... |
| 21:51:28 | keenerd | (All are, but it is a PITA.) |
| 21:52:19 | * | pixelma wonders if the "undoable" was an "undo possible" or an "impossible" |
| 21:52:54 | amiconn | mersenne twister |
| 21:53:19 | keenerd | amiconn: Nuts. If it was a LFSR, it would be trivial. |
| 21:55:05 | amiconn | One could go back to the original seed, re-generate the sequence, store and then reverse it. But given the memory requirements for that it's probably easier to keep two copies of the playlist |
| 21:55:38 | TheSeven | if it's a linked list, one could just attach it the other way round |
| 21:56:01 | amiconn | It's not |
| 21:56:16 | TheSeven | a plain array with constant element size? |
| 21:56:26 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:56:33 | TheSeven | well, reversing that is trivial :) |
| 21:57:06 | amiconn | Then you get the shuffled list in reverse order, not the original unshuffled list |
| 21:57:34 | * | TheSeven thinks we'll need to agree on the definition of "reversing" first |
| 21:57:41 | amiconn | I'm not sure - there might be a reversible shuffle algorithm that yields the original list if the same sequence of pseudo-random swaps is applied a second time |
| 21:57:59 | amiconn | Similar to how burrows-wheeler is reversible |
| 21:58:54 | saratoga | Buschel: what are you working on with the timers? |
| 21:59:25 | Buschel | saratoga: I need a udelay for the nano 2g |
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| 22:01:11 | Buschel | TheSeven: 0.8 V worked for 48 MHz, 0.7 V did not work |
| 22:01:18 | TheSeven | wow |
| 22:01:36 | Buschel | will try the udelay now |
| 22:02:13 | saratoga | ah for changing voltage or clock settings? thought maybe you were benchmarking |
| 22:02:17 | TheSeven | try 0.800=>0.975 transitions, switching to 192MHz immediately without any delay |
| 22:02:24 | TheSeven | i'd expect that to fail |
| 22:03:22 | TheLemonMan | if i run rb as an app do i need to provide the interface to the SI4703 tuner ? |
| 22:04:01 | Buschel | hmm, 0.8 -> 0.975 with 20 us fails after several switches from 48 -> 192 MHz |
| 22:04:47 | Buschel | w/o udelay it does not start = first boost fails |
| 22:05:22 | TheSeven | is it 100% stable with 100µs? |
| 22:05:24 | Buschel | trying 50 us now |
| 22:05:41 | TheSeven | if it's apparently stable at 50, i'd say commit 100 |
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| 22:05:46 | TheSeven | this is still damn fast |
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| 22:08:48 | saratoga | TheLemonMan: no, if you're running as an application then you cannot access any hardware directly or provide your own drivers |
| 22:09:05 | Buschel | I am playing with test_boost plugin for a while now. stable for 0.8 V (48 MHz) -> 0.975 V (192 MHz) with 50 us delay |
| 22:09:29 | saratoga | whats the max clock on the nano2g? |
| 22:09:33 | TheLemonMan | saratoga, wait, i dont get it |
| 22:09:37 | Buschel | 200 MHz |
| 22:09:41 | saratoga | ok |
| 22:10:07 | saratoga | if you guys want to add support for 3 level boosting, this might be a good time |
| 22:14:01 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28606): Implement udelay() for S5L870x. Exchange sleep() with udelay() during CPU voltage scaling. Voltage scaling was measured stable with 50us delay, to ... |
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| 22:15:55 | CIA-7 | r28606 build result: All green |
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| 22:18:08 | Buschel | TheSeven: how low can you go @48 MHz on your target? |
| 22:24:59 | TheLemonMan | FUCKIN HELL YEAH |
| 22:25:08 | TheLemonMan | got first sound output |
| 22:25:18 | [Saint] | 0_o |
| 22:25:31 | bertrik | TheLemonMan, nice |
| 22:25:53 | bertrik | not completely sure what you're doing though :) |
| 22:26:03 | TheSeven | Buschel: it was <=0.875, don't remember the exact value |
| 22:26:25 | TheLemonMan | bertrik, porting rockbox to samsung yp-q2 :D |
| 22:28:13 | bertrik | it runs linux as the original firmware? |
| 22:28:35 | TheLemonMan | yeah |
| 22:28:55 | saratoga | they were nice enough to open source the entire firmware, and then give instructions for building it from scratch |
| 22:29:18 | saratoga | so i think you can pretty much do anything you want on the deivce, although i haven't tried so its possible they've got some limitations |
| 22:29:23 | TheLemonMan | nope :) i had to hack the upgrade process and hijack the boot process |
| 22:29:37 | saratoga | you tried building the original firmware? |
| 22:29:57 | TheLemonMan | thats for YP-R0, not YP-Q2 |
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| 22:32:03 | saratoga | oh? i thought you linked the firmware for your player before? |
| 22:32:22 | saratoga | oh you're right |
| 22:32:28 | saratoga | i just realized it was the R0 |
| 22:32:42 | TheLemonMan | https://github.com/LemonBoy/Q2-Tools |
| 22:33:01 | saratoga | yes sorry I'm mixing you up with slate's project on a different linux mp3 player |
| 22:39:55 | keenerd | That Samsung player looks nice. Though at $99, I'd get an Archos 28 (yay wifi) instead :-) |
| 22:43:18 | TheLemonMan | hows that in € ? |
| 22:43:29 | keenerd | Hrm, Q2 has twice the battery life of the 28. Tougher choice. |
| 22:44:12 | dfkt | wait for the samsung r0 port.. this one has tactile buttons and an sd slot ;) |
| 22:44:56 | wodz | Are we about to see explosion of RaaA ports on linux based players? |
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| 22:48:57 | saratoga | depends how much kugel gets done :) |
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| 23:19:56 | JdGordon | soap: think I gave it a read yesterday, didnt pay much attnetion... |
| 23:20:00 | JdGordon | I'm not a UI guy :p |
| 23:20:06 | JdGordon | I'll look ltaer |
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