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#rockbox log for 2010-11-17

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01:30:28saratogashould the metadata parsers reject files they know rockbox cannot play?
01:30:41saratogaor should they return the data and let the codec fail further along?
01:30:49saratogai'm not sure how that works with the database and all
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01:49:13CIA-7New commit by saratoga (r28609): ffmpeg flac does actually support up to 192k sample rates, and my test file seems to decode fine, so lets enable it. Note that using 192khz is over 6 ...
01:49:29JdGordon|saratoga: what do you mean?
01:50:21saratogaJdGordon|: was going to ask if the metadata parser should reject 192khz flac files, but I just fixed the decoder to play them instead
01:50:38JdGordon|it should absolutly not!
01:51:17CIA-7r28609 build result: All green
01:52:20preglowpretty much only lossless codecs support sample rates that high
01:52:28preglowand most of them can handle it, i guess
01:52:38preglowthough 192 khz is stretching it ...
01:53:03saratogaJdGordon|: so in the future if I have an unsupported codec feature, where is the correct place to reject the file?
01:53:16preglowhappily most of the frequency spectrum isn't used, or our "resampler" would bungle everything in a major way
01:53:42JdGordon|saratoga: playback, the metadata parser should probably warn though
01:53:45saratogayes and its a 40 year old "remaster" so its obviously just some idiot who thinks bigger numbers are better, but if we support it, might as well play it
01:54:06saratogaJdGordon|: won't that mean the file ends up in the database even though it can't be decoded?
01:54:27preglowthe best place to handle it would probably be the metadata parser, btw. it would make it easier for us to handle the error in a meaningful way to the user
01:54:28saratogaIIRC we reject WMA Lossless files in the metadata parser
01:54:33JdGordon|I mean, if the parser is ever split out into a seperate library then it doesnt make sense to reject files because it wont know what works and what doesnt
01:55:20preglowas long as it's the same code base that's not much of an argument. we can keep codecs and metadata parsers in sync easily
01:55:50JdGordon|GodEater did some work to split the parser out though (i.e for other projects)
01:56:01JdGordon|it really shouldnt reject files unless the metadata is broken
01:56:12preglowbut codecs can't reject files in a meaningful way
01:56:26preglowthey just drop them and rockbox chugs naively along, leaving the user to wonder what happened
01:57:21preglowwhich is probably what the metadata parser does anyway... but that could easier change if we do the dropping in the metadata parser
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02:17:31JdGordon|saratoga: how should db logging work? always on every file scanned?
02:17:43JdGordon|or enable it with a setting?
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02:24:54JdGordon|oh fucking hell! playback is almost impossible on my mini2g now
02:25:01JdGordon|the CF is fucked
02:25:36JdGordon|why does playback suck so much with corrupt(?) files
02:26:48saratogaJdGordon|: an optional setting to record each filename as its parsed would be nice
02:27:08saratogadump it into a log.txt
02:27:18saratogawould have to be an option since I think that would slow down parsing quite a bit
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02:42:49S_a_i_n_tWhat on earth would cause the bootloader error "Partition Not Found Insert USB Cable And Fix It"?
02:43:30S_a_i_n_tThe partitions are fine, ht e OF seems to think so anyway.
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02:44:24LambdaCalculus37S_a_i_n_t: Something must be seriously wrong with your iPod if it keeps showing that error.
02:45:25S_a_i_n_tLambdaCalculus37: Only the RB bootloader shows this, everything else is fine.
02:45:52LambdaCalculus37S_a_i_n_t: Which iPod?
02:46:20LambdaCalculus37Very strange.
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02:46:44S_a_i_n_tI even bothered to load some music/etc onto the's all fine.
02:46:58S_a_i_n_tbeen restored with iTunes as soon as it hit my possession.
02:47:11S_a_i_n_thowever, the RB bootloader doesn't want to know about the thing.
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02:53:17S_a_i_n_tIt's probably some form of advanced retardation on my part, but I can't even seem to find the case(s) that would cause such an error in the bootloader...I was pretty tired when I was looking for it though.
02:54:07JdGordon|that will be in the fat driver possibly
02:54:20S_a_i_n_tThe eoor is kinda amusing though, "...Insert USB And Fix It"
02:54:25S_a_i_n_t...yeah, that'll do it ;)
02:55:57LambdaCalculus37Interesting... the firmware files for the Gigabeat MEG50JS are nothing more than just a tiny Linux 2.0.0 system. Here's what 'file' has to say about /bin/ash in the firmware upgrade files: ASH: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped
02:56:06S_a_i_n_tIf the partitions were screwed, which they aren't, it's take a 'lil more than inserting a USB cable to fix it.
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03:21:14TheSevenjust to let you guys know, I seem to have successfully flashed a custom boot image to my new ipod classic's NOR :)
03:21:32TheSeventhere's not much to execute yet, but control seems to be passed to it
03:22:14TheSeveni have drivers for SPI (NOR flash), USB and the hardware-key AES unit
03:22:23LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Awesome! \o/
03:22:50TheSevenSPI was actually the hardest part of the whole process
03:23:04TheSeventhe crypto stuff is still purely symmetrical, so we can sign legitimate firmware images :)
03:23:18LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Sign me up for testing. ;)
03:24:15TheSevenfirst of all I'll go to sleep :)
03:24:22TheSevenit's 03:24 am
03:25:01LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Okay, g'night.
03:25:48JdGordon|nice work
03:26:01JdGordon|which gen classic is it?
03:27:43LambdaCalculus37JdGordon|: Technically it's my brother's, and it's an 80GB model, so 1st gen.
03:28:30TheSevenJdGordon|: shouldn't matter much
03:28:48TheSeventhis is a first gen, but as far as i can tell there are only very minor changes between the models
03:28:59JdGordon|does this mean we are going to be overrun with ipod users again?
03:29:08TheSevenmostly the hard drive and fancy headphone stuff
03:29:27TheSevenJdGordon|: if we manage to get all the drivers written, probably yes
03:29:40JdGordon|I mean... yay
03:29:40TheSeventhe 3rd gen is still available from apple :)
03:30:34LambdaCalculus37JdGordon|: Well, that means we'll have another iPod with an actually decent SOC and lots of hard drive space!
03:31:32TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: this is an arm926ej-s
03:31:57LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Same ARM model as in the nano2G, right?
03:32:08TheSevenno, the nano2g is an arm940t
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03:37:00saratogasimilar to AMSv2
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03:46:20timcccpretty big news
03:46:34LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Similar performance, perhaps?
03:54:00TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: apple isn't really known for fast memory :/
03:54:56LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: That's true. =/
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04:03:10saratogasurely faster then AMS
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04:04:20saratogai have a theory that arm9e devices have better IRAM in general because the on die tightly coupled memory controller makes it much harder for companies to screw it up like AMSv1 and PP5020
04:04:32saratogabe interesting to see if that holds for the classic
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09:12:35AlexPJdGordon: Looking for something to do? :)
09:13:29JdGordonnot really... more trying to start a argument :p
09:13:33JdGordonwe havnt had one in a while!
09:13:40JdGordon.... not really
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09:13:56AlexPIf you would like something quick to do, %tr as a conditional please :)
09:14:24AlexPAnd you seem to be failing to start an argument, people are agreeing with you!
09:15:07JdGordonlast time i talked with bertrik we didnt really come to an agreement with how it should work
09:15:27JdGordonlinear doesnt *really* make sense
09:15:46JdGordonbut then the "4 bars" thing is eqaully silly
09:15:48AlexPWhat is the other option? exponential?
09:16:04AlexPIt isn't terribly useful as just a number
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09:17:59stripwaxcouldn't we just show it as a progress bar kind of thing?
09:18:25AlexPI'd like to use a segmented antenna type thing
09:18:47JdGordonstripwax: it would be done the same as volume so themeres can show it any way they want
09:18:56stripwaxok then.
09:19:04JdGordonthat is the quick way, but I still think linear doesnt make sense
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09:19:58JdGordonhowever with nothing better I guess thats it
09:20:03stripwaxit doesn't make sense; couldn't themers implement their bitmaps to effectively render in whatever interpretation they want?
09:20:27AlexPIt depends on manufacturer what RSSI actually means
09:20:45AlexPSome report as dB, which is log, others as unitless which may well be linear
09:20:51stripwaxi know i'm missing a bit of background here, but say rssi returns a number between 1 and 100 - if themers but the '1 bar' bitmap at 5, and the '2 bar' bitmap at 20, and the '3 bar' bitmap at 80 (etc), then it's nolonger really linear
09:20:52AlexPI don't know what our radios give
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09:21:25stripwaxalexp - maybe the themers can figure out a mapping that makes most sense for a given target. unless.. we have a target that could have multiple different radio units inside it
09:21:34JdGordonwell the problem is more for when it is used as a conditional instead of a bar, i.e %?tr<0|1|2|3> <- that will show 0,1,2,3 each for 25% of the linear scale
09:21:45JdGordonbut it might not actually be usable under 80% of the scale
09:21:47AlexPyes, you can of course fake any scale with long lines
09:21:50stripwaxah... right
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09:22:25LloreanWould it be possible to offer a tag that just offered "strong, weak, none" equivalents for strengths (hardcoded for each target/radio combination)?
09:22:33JdGordonso you'd pretty much have to do nested %?if(tr, >, -80)<4|%?if(tr, >, -75)<3|....>>>>
09:22:37LloreanOr some other arbitrary divisions
09:22:39AlexPJdGordon: Yeah, but you can do %?tr<a|a|a|a|b|b|c>
09:22:43stripwaxLlorean - right.
09:23:00stripwaxprobably "strong", "weak", "mono", "none" or something
09:23:02JdGordonLlorean: yes, but someone needs to do that for each...
09:23:11LloreanI don't know that we need to expose the actual values if they don't make sense to be used.
09:23:16JdGordonand then we are stuck with how many choices?
09:23:30stripwaxpick a number. let's say 6
09:23:32AlexPI'd like 4, strong, med, weak, none at the leasr
09:23:52AlexPCan't people just fake it with e.g.
09:23:56AlexP%?tr<a|a|a|a|b|b|c> ?
09:24:08AlexPIs there a drawback to that other than making lines long?
09:24:27stripwaxalexp - if that theme works on multiple targets, each with different radios (with different rssi scales), then you'd have a problem
09:24:37JdGordonlong lines is a drawback
09:24:44LloreanAlexP: Or as mentioned above, a single target with multiple possible radios.
09:24:49AlexPJdGordon: Yes, but it is flexible
09:24:55AlexPThe multiple radios is an arse
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09:25:28LloreanIt also depends on the themer to know technical details about the target (linear or logarithmic scale, how many units long the offered scale is for dividing, etc)
09:25:32AlexPCan't we normalise each tuner before presenting it?
09:25:51LloreanAlexP: Wouldn't that more or less be what a "weakest, weak, medium, strong, strongest" scale would be?
09:25:58LloreanNormalized with a preset number of units.
09:25:59AlexPLlorean: yes, but less limited
09:27:12LloreanAlexP: Is there some benefit other than potentially increased granularity?
09:27:29AlexPIt lets people chose how many stages they want
09:29:25LloreanIs there a real benefit to exposing 50 stages of signal strength vs 10?
09:29:37LloreanIs it that fine grained, or are those finer levels meaningful?
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09:30:05stripwaxlet's assume people don't need more than X number of stages. I don't think those finer levels are meaningful.
09:30:11AlexPNo, not 50
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09:30:30AlexPI'd go for 12 probably - it can be divided into 3, 4, or 6 then
09:30:43stripwaxpeople could always look at the debug screen to see the 'raw' number if they want, for fun
09:31:16LloreanPersonally, I'd have a lower threshold that's treated as "none", an upper threshold that's treated as "full" for all values above a certain point, and then allow arbitrary division of the range between.
09:31:54LloreanSo users can just use three images for "none, moderate, full" or as many images as they can cram in the space if they want something to fluctuate as they shift their headphone cable around.
09:31:56stripwaxthere's also a threshold below which the radio will refuse to switch to a stereo signal
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09:32:52LloreanDon't we already have a stereo/mono tag?
09:33:06stripwaxit might be nice to show that as part of the signal strength, 'signal not strong enough for stereo'
09:33:07AlexPLlorean: Yes, that could work
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09:33:35stripwaxwhich is radio dependent of course
09:33:35Lloreanstripwax: With the existing tag you should be able to. Use it as a conditional with the signal strength images one color while mono, and another one while stereo, or whatever.
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09:34:29stripwaxllorean, mm true
09:34:38LloreanAlexP: To me the "too weak" and "strong enough" points are the important ones. Everything in between can be left up to the themer to divide as they wish, though we should decide on whether it should follow a linear or logarithmic scale so that targets that don't can be presented as it anyway, or whatever.
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09:35:31JdGordonit still needs that "too weak" oint found for each tuner
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09:35:44LloreanJdGordon: Yeah, and there's probably no good way to actually *do* that since it's not like most of us have an FM transmitter we can slowly decrease the signal strength on to see how our DAP can pick it up.
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09:36:59JdGordonthe datasheet might help there maybe
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09:38:24JdGordonscrew it, should I just do linear and wait for feedback?
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09:38:38JdGordonZagor: the since-release.html page still goes back to 3.5 :)
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09:38:45JdGordonor 3.6
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09:43:26CIA-7New commit by zagor (r28610): Updated release version
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09:47:26JdGordondoes "*intval = limit * (tuner_get(RADIO_RSSI) - min - 1) / (-1 - min);" look right?
09:47:27JdGordonlimit is the amount of options given, min is min rssi
09:47:42JdGordonit needs to return 1...limit
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09:53:09JdGordondoes the e200 have rssi?
09:54:05stripwaxwhat does tuner_get return ? a number between 0 and max_rssi ?
09:54:31JdGordonbetween min_rssi and max_rssi
09:55:34stripwaxso i think you need 1+(limit-1)*(tuner_get(RADIO_RSSI)-min_rssi)/(max_rssi-1-min_rssi)
09:58:13stripwaxactually i think / (max_rssi-min_rssi) , no -1 there
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10:08:29stripwaxhow many distinct levels are there? a lookup table might (or might not) be better. i'm always a bit wary of doing divisions.
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10:19:20n1smeh, the database stand alone tool doesn't build
10:20:06n1sit complains about missing headers that afaict are in the include paths it uses :/
10:22:11n1suh, no the two makefiles confused me
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10:29:23*n1s gives up
10:31:13gevaertsn1s: it builds the standard way using configure these days
10:31:52n1sgevaerts: ah
10:32:23n1sI'll just nuke the old Makefile then since it doesn't work anyway
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10:35:27CIA-7New commit by nls (r28611): Remove old Makefile for the database tool as it isn't working anymore and the database tool is built with a configure generated Makefile these days.
10:35:52JdGordoncrap.. is it terrible if I just unconditionally enable HAVE_RSSI on sims?
10:36:05JdGordonassuming that not all tuners have it?
10:36:20[Saint]I would say so.
10:37:04JdGordonthat #define is in the individual tuner headers which dont get included for sims
10:37:05[Saint]the sim is supposed to resemble the, I'd say if that can be fixed, it should be.
10:37:09[Saint]it's hardly a showstopper though.
10:37:11JdGordonor I put lots of #ifndef SIMULATOR in those headers?
10:37:17CIA-7r28611 build result: All green
10:50:08JdGordon:) got it, and got "rssi" working in the sim also...
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11:01:38clauwnhey there, i need help with rockbox 3.7 on an ipod mini second gen
11:02:07JdGordonyou've come to the right place!
11:02:12clauwni just updated from 3.5.1 to 3.7 and it updated my database and now all it says is " Data abort at 00044254 (0) "
11:02:43clauwnand i don't know what to do now
11:03:51clauwnbefore updating i transferred quite a lot of music but updated the database. then i updated using the rockbox utility and now that's where i'm at
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11:04:49clauwnJdGordon: any idea?
11:06:20gevaertsWhat do you mean exactly by "all it says..."? It showed that while updating and it's still stuck there, or it says that every time you reboot, or it says that whenever you try to do something with the database?
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11:07:24clauwngevaerts: it stopped updating the database, and now it displays this message in the upper left corner of the display and won't react to key presses
11:07:42clauwnbacklight is turned on, won't turn off. plugging into pc won't change a thing
11:07:55gevaertsHold menu+select for a while (up to half a minute or so) to hard reset the player
11:08:22clauwnwow... did that before, but didn't work :D
11:08:30clauwnnow it says creating database
11:09:17gevaertsIt requires not moving your fingers. Sometimes it's tricky to get that right
11:09:36clauwnok, seems to work again
11:09:54clauwnok, plays my music now :D
11:10:36clauwnis there a way to change the artist tag to something else? i've got something like " billy & friends" and billy. and i want them all in one artist thingy in the database
11:10:46clauwnthanks gevaerts
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11:20:39clauwni just changed them using software on my pc :) thanks again
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11:20:50JdGordonwtf? stupid %tr() isnt working as a bar!
11:20:56JdGordonworks fine as a conditional though
11:21:01JdGordongrr.... whats missing? :<
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12:44:11amiconn[Saint]: The message says "Insert USB cable *and* fix it", not "Insert USB cable *to* fix it"
12:44:50amiconnRegarding the error itself - did you perhaps create an extended partitition + logical drive for your data?
12:45:06amiconnRockbox (still) only supports primary partitions
12:45:32[Saint]ah...what triggers this or what is supposed to cause it? it my case it was the CPU taking abjection to being Clocked to 100MHZ
12:46:14[Saint]ah...sorry, wasn;t watching the screen. yeah, I did nothing at all with the partition, just clocking the cpu to 24/100 seems to have be what was triggering it.
12:47:44amiconnAh, so you didn't actually change partitioning. Probably the CPU messed up some filesystem data structure while being overclocked
12:50:08[Saint]kind of a shame.
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13:09:13T44hm... without digging through the docs, does the LUA scripting api have access to the line in?
13:09:17T44i just want to read levels
13:09:39T44i would like to code a db meter for use with my h340
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13:15:34ZagorT44: I don't think it does
13:16:57T44hm... really gotta learn C :)
13:17:06T44maybe that would be a good first program
13:17:49T44quite simple really... read input, average over a couple samples, compare with a table to convert to db, show on screen
13:21:17Zagorthere's even a plugin api function to calculate peak
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14:18:52CIA-7r28611 build result: All green
14:20:47CIA-7r28611 build result: All green
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14:39:16Buschel[Saint]: overclocking didn't work for you?
14:41:57[Saint]apparently not, but there's a chance I messed it up.
14:42:44[Saint]perhaps it was because of FS #8668
14:43:37Buschelwhy? fs#8668 will only boost on scroll. you may use it with the standard boost clock as well
14:44:01[Saint]I hadn't tried it yet with
14:44:31[Saint]and I had to patch some of it by hand, perhaps it may have worked if it was either complete, or not there at all.
14:45:20[Saint]I'll give it another go without FS #8668 shortly.
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14:46:52Buschelif you use you could also try to lower the normal clock to 24 MHz (using the other #if path in sytem-pp502x.c). this should not damage anything
14:48:43[Saint] ?
14:49:56Buschelyep, just changing #if 0 to #if 1 and not changing the PLL_CONTROL stuff (which does the 100 MHz clock)
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15:15:04metaphysHello, I would need write permission for the wiki...
15:17:52gevaertsmetaphys: what's your wiki username?
15:20:18gevaertsThat doesn't seem to match the format we ask for on (unless your first name is Jl)...
15:21:24metaphysI tryed first Jean-LouisBiasini
15:22:37metaphysbut it didn't liked it.
15:23:26metaphysshould I redo with JeanlouisBiasini then?
15:27:35gevaertsI'd go for JeanLouisBiasini
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15:42:59metaphysok I made a new wiki user with JeanLouisBiasini as name
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15:46:21gevaertsOK, you should be able to edit now
15:47:31metaphysThank you
15:50:47CIA-7New commit by teru (r28612): rockpaint: change browse_fonts to use dircache and use whole screen. add scrollbar.
15:52:35CIA-7r28612 build result: All green
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16:35:37dodddummyi installed rockbox and timestretching was working.
16:36:48dodddummythen something happened and i couldn't see files on the player. ever since then timestretching doesn't work. there is only the RATE on the pitch screen.
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16:37:57dodddummywhat i did after it wouldn't show the files is: reinstall rockbox, that didn't help so i reinstalled the original firmware and then installed rockbox again. but still only rate on the pitch screen.
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16:40:00evilnick_BWhat is the "Show Files" setting on?
16:41:10evilnick_Bdodddummy: Check this wiki page, it sounds like it's set to Playlists:
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16:43:23pixelmaas for the timestretch thing - is the feature enabled and are you in the correct mode in the pitchscreen?
16:43:43pixelmayou can cycle through a few there
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17:21:49saratogais there some fixed point routine somewhere in rockbox for multiplying to fixed point values and accumulating into two 32 bit variables?
17:22:20n1snever seen snything like that
17:23:44saratogalibmad has a function for doing that, but its written in ASM without a c fallback
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17:26:40webguest43has development for the ipod nano 4th gen stopped all together?
17:28:15dodddummyevilnick_B, sorry, had to talk to the plumber for a bit. it's set to All.
17:28:31saratogawebguest43: did it ever start?
17:28:45evilnick_Bdodddummy: Can you see the files on the player now?
17:28:47dodddummypixelma, timestretch has been set to Yes for a long time and rebooted.
17:28:57saratogathe libmad fixed point function are like a textbook example of what not to do with the c preprocessor
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17:29:49dodddummyevilnick_B, yes but that was fixed when i reinstalled. however i'm sure that setting has allways been set to All as i never changed that and it seems to be the default. but if it happens again i'll check that setting before doing anything else.
17:31:10dodddummypixelma, however, i'm not sure what you mean by "correct mode in the pitchscreen?"
17:32:12evilnick_Bdodddummy: What player are you using?
17:32:27dodddummyevilnick_B, sansa fuze 4gb v2
17:33:11evilnick_Bdodddummy: Go here, and scroll down to Pitch:
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17:35:42dodddummyevilnick_B, i must be old age setting in because i must have followed that during the first read to get that enabled the first time. thanks a lot. i'll add an A rtfmA for Again
17:36:19dodddummyrockbox is so good i'm going to donate again!
17:36:21saratogawait the default libmad code for doing the hi,lo accumulate scales to 32 bit, sets low and returns hi = 0
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17:40:48Buschelsaratoga: what macro are you talking about?
17:42:04saratoga# define MAD_F_MLA(hi, lo, x, y) ((lo) += mad_f_mul((x), (y)))
17:42:16*TheSeven wonders whether the S5L8702 has tightly-coupled memory or not
17:42:30saratogawhat do you mean?
17:43:32saratogaoh S5L8702 is the 6G not nano2g
17:44:38saratogawell if its arm9e its probably wired over the TCM interface, thats what its for
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17:47:20evilnick_Bdodddummy: Heh, good idea. The manual is very thorough and there is so much extra functionality in RB that it can take some time to get used to it :)
17:47:37Buschelsaratoga: libmad is a macro hell. lo+=mad_f_mul() seems to be used only for the SSO implementation. if so, mad_f_mul should be nothing else than a simple x*y whereas both x and y are pre-scaled to not overflow the result
17:48:12saratogai'm just going to reimplement it using sane code so i can be sure whats happening
17:48:27dodddummyevilnick_B, you're telling me. first time in a while i've read a manual and didn't think, "they left a lot out"
17:49:09Buschelsaratoga: afaik SSO is used for simulation and non-PP/non-CF targets only...
17:49:36saratogai'm writing this in the sim since it'd take forever to debug on device
17:50:19TheSevensaratoga: MRC p15,0,R0,c0,c0,2 says that there is *no* TCM. damn. apple.
17:50:29saratogahaha what
17:50:36saratogai didn't even know you could remove that
17:51:41saratogawhich arm core is this?
17:53:39TheSevenarm926ej-s afaik
17:54:21Tornesure you can have no TCM..
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17:54:55saratogadatasheet say the arm926ej-s has the TCM on the processor core, so i'm suprised they could remove it
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17:55:09saratogai thought you had to pay quite a lot extra to do things like that
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17:55:31TheSeventhese cores are customized anyway
17:55:48TheSevenTCM apparently can be customized like the cache sizes etc.
17:56:33TheSevenApple has an ARM architecture license, and this is custom SoC made by Samsung for Apple, so why not
17:56:44saratogamakes sense i guess
17:56:50saratogastill its a weird thing to remove
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17:57:17TheSevenapparently apple just doesn't like high memory performance :)
17:57:30Torne(also where doe sit say the TCM is in the core?)
17:57:37Torne(the *interface* is but you don' thave to connect anything to it..)
17:58:18Torneit's just a parameter on generation, like cache size, no?
17:59:46Buschelif the cpu is fast enough (and it is for their purpose=, and they can save money through making such change (even if only few) -> they will
18:00:09TheSevenwouldn't it be cheaper to use a slower CPU?
18:00:16saratogaTorne: ah you're right, that register just says if the TCM is wired up, not if its present
18:00:25saratogaso its probably there, but theres no SRAM wired to its pin
18:00:29TorneThe register tells you how many TCM memories are attached
18:00:36Tornenot whether there's support for having TCM :)
18:00:48saratogai misread and thought it meant there was no TCM interface support on the core
18:00:58Torneif there wasn't then you'd get an undef abort executing that instruction :)
18:01:06Tornerather than a result of zero
18:01:08saratogahmm i should try that on amsv2 and see if its used
18:01:42saratogathe datasheet says TCM is SRAM, but the amsv2 uses eDRAM with much weirder timings, so perhaps its not
18:02:00TorneTCM has to be SRAM or register memory, yeah
18:02:16Tornethere's no controller, it's just the simplest possible set of address/data lines
18:02:16TheSevenhm, looks like i need to dig into the mmu reference...
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18:02:42Tornemost ARM9 systems with TCM that i've seen actually use their cache memory for it
18:02:56Tornepart/all of the cache has flat linear addressing hardware built in as well
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18:03:05Torneand you can trade off some/all of the cache into regular addressable memory
18:03:11Tornee.g. the DS's ARM9 core
18:03:26Torne(which hilariously uses ITCM for its vectors and so you can't turn the icache on)
18:03:46saratogahow is IRAM usually implemented on arm cores?
18:03:57saratogaa controller strung off the system bus?
18:04:00TheSevenprobably just a high-speed AHB slave
18:04:04TorneSRAM on AHB
18:04:16TorneIRAM isn't normally going ot be something that needs a real controller
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18:04:24Tornejust a tiny ahb interface
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18:07:40mypciahi, can someone tell me if RB will work fine with Ubuntu?
18:07:46saratogathat sucks though since it means the IRAM runs at bus speed
18:08:00saratogamypcia: its a firmware for mp3 players, not PCs
18:08:26mypciawell it doesn't mean it will work fine with ubuntu o.O
18:08:38mypciaoriginal software doesn't
18:08:52Strife89TXA Rockboxed DAP should connect with Ubuntu just fine.
18:09:02Tornesaratoga: OMAP puts them on the L3 interconnect
18:09:05saratogaassuming it has USB that is
18:09:19saratogamany of our ports don't have USB drivers
18:10:06Strife89TXBut on the other hand, many *do*. :)
18:11:03freddybI've been playing with the clocks on my Fuze V1 and using a boost frequency of 124Mhz normal frequency of 41.3Mhz I got 15% gain in battery life
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18:13:26alexbobPI saw a weird rockbox bug on my sansa fuze + that I can't reproduce
18:13:31alexbobPit fell asleep while on software hold
18:13:40freddybbertrik: is this a typo in system-as3525.c? amsv2_variant = !!GPIOB_PIN(5);
18:13:44alexbobPwhen I woke it up, I hit "resume playback" and it said "nothing to resume"
18:13:56alexbobPso I started a new playlist, and when I selected media to play, it went back to software lock
18:14:06alexbobPit was very weird
18:14:08bertrikfreddyb, it's a funny hack
18:14:17Tornefreddyb: that turns any nonzero value into 1
18:14:35Torneamsv2_variant = GPIOB_PIN(5) ? 1 : 0; is equivalent
18:14:41Torneand much less weird
18:15:02TheSevenwhy doesn't GPIOB_PIN do that?
18:15:10freddybOK. Sometimes weird things happen and I just wanted to make sure.
18:15:18TorneTheSeven: because it's less efficient in cases where it's just used as a truth value anyway
18:15:24TheSevenisn't that basically a (((whatever_address)>>x)&1?
18:16:11Tornethat's not one instruction for everybody :)
18:16:19saratogafreddyb: if you get such a big increase, then we should probably implement another boost level for AMS at least
18:16:27freddybDo some compilers make that 0xffffffff?
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18:16:37Tornefreddyb: no
18:16:41Torneboolean true is 1
18:16:55Torneanyone who defines true as -1 is just wrong
18:17:01TheSeven...unless it's a *really* weird compiler :)
18:17:34bertrikI'd rather not rely on the fact that true is 1
18:17:52Tornebertrik: it's guaranteed in the C spec
18:17:54bertrikand preferably not mix booleans and other types
18:18:06Torneso relying on it is fine
18:18:13Tornebut that construct is still ugly
18:18:23TheSevenTorne: isn't it just specified that ! returns 1 if the value was zero and 0 otherwise?
18:18:45TorneTheSeven: all the logical operators return only 0 or 1
18:18:51Torne&& || behave the same
18:19:10Torneand the _Bool type in C99 is always 0 or 1 when cast to another integer type
18:19:13freddybI believe you guys on the logic of !! I just skimmed the code and wondered if it was a typo because you don't see that very often.
18:19:14Torneso yes, it's guaranteed, always
18:19:36Tornepeople still write #define TRUE -1 though and it makes me sad :)
18:19:38bertrikjust the fact that you need to think twice, makes me not use it
18:19:48Torneyah, i would write it with ?: instead
18:20:06Torneeven (GPIOB_PIN(5) != 0) is clearer :)
18:20:16Torne(but still kinda weird)
18:20:42bertrikIIRC, funman committed that, inspired by gevaerts :)
18:21:05*TheSeven likes this construct in javascript, but not in C
18:21:27bertrikoh wait, /me hides
18:22:11bertrikI just changed the variable name!
18:23:01freddybI'm not docking anyone's pay!
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18:28:43gevaertsbertrik: you need to think twice *because* you don't use it!
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18:33:38pixelmaalexbobP: the soft lock is only "active" in the WPS, if you get out of it and be dropped into the file browser or menu (e.g. playlist ends) the keys are not locked - return to the WPS and it's active again. This part at least s be design and I quite like it, besides it's been this way for ages (it was invented for the Archos targets which don't have a hold switch either)
18:34:28pixelmaand by design too
18:34:36alexbobPpixelma: it's very odd... one of the things I liked about the hold switch on the clip/fuze was that it keeps my mp3 player from turning on in my pocket and doing stuff...
18:35:03alexbobPalso I find it very difficult to activate hold on a clip+ with one hand :/ is that just me?
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18:38:14pixelmasoft lock obviously can't work while the device is off. Other than that - I only put the player away when a playlist is running, if I have to chose something new, I like that I don't have to deactivate the lock and activate again. I can't comment on the keymap as I don't have a Clip, my soft lock target is an OndioFM
18:39:51saratogafreddyb: are you going to post your patch on FS?
18:40:06alexbobPpixelma: yeah... I've been thinking about the problem
18:40:11alexbobPI'm going to try modifying the bootloader
18:40:38alexbobPright now it boots OF if you hold down left... so I'll make it so you hold right to boot rockbox, and if you don't hold anything, it turns back off
18:41:11alexbobPI'm checking out rockbox now to see if I can build it
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18:42:25pixelmanot sure what the Clip+ bootloader does but e.g. the Iaudio bootloader checks if a button is still held and if not it's turning the device off again (a very short press doesn't do)
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18:42:54alexbobPI want it to take multiple buttons to turn the device on though
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18:43:09alexbobPon the clip+, the power button is very very exposed. it already takes a bit of a hold to turn it on, but that's not enough
18:44:05alexbobPpixelma: btw, if I'm on the WPS on the clip+ and it's locked, then I can't get to the playlist editor without unlocking.
18:44:10bertrikthe power button is the only one that can turn the clip+ on
18:44:48alexbobPbertrik: of course. I want it to take *both* buttons, not *either* button :P
18:44:53pixelmaalexbobP: sure, the lock is active in the WPS
18:45:13alexbobPpixelma: then what do you mean " if I have to chose something new, I like that I don't have to deactivate the lock and activate again"
18:45:26alexbobPbecause if I have to choose something new, I have to do just that
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18:47:39pixelmaI chose something new after the current playlist ends - I am auomatically back at the filebrowser (or menu or database) where I can chose something else which puts me back to the WPS
18:48:35alexbobPah, I see
18:48:40alexbobPthat makes sense
18:49:01freddybsaratoga: yes, but let me play a little more. I'm trying a variation of something you suggested. 31Mhz regular and 62Mhz boosted on fastbus with matching bus speed.
18:49:04alexbobPbtw, is rockbox supposed to ignore the power button when plugged in? it seems to do so
18:49:20saratogafreddyb: ok
18:49:21Tornelots of players can't be turned off while plugged in
18:49:58saratogawhat can the CPU have half multipliers of the pclk speed?
18:50:29alexbobPTorne: well it kinda makes sense in usbmode, but in the case of rockbox, I'm trying to turn it off *to* get to usbmode :P
18:50:56TornealexbobP: right, but lots of players we run on *physically can't be turned off* while plugged in
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18:50:58freddybI mean: regular 31Mhz cpu 31Mhz bus and boosted 62Mhz cpu and 62Mhz bus
18:51:02Torneas in you can't do it, it doesn't work
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18:51:09Tornenot "it's useless"
18:52:18alexbobPTorne: oh, I see
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18:52:35TornealexbobP: lots of modern mp3 players connect the usb power line directly to the "wake up now" signal :)
18:52:45alexbobPTorne: but I can still hold the power button for several seconds to make it turn off :P
18:52:57Torneon those players we ignore poweroff requests while connected, because it would just power on again
18:53:00Torne(or hang)
18:53:11TornealexbobP: does it? doens't it just come back on again?
18:53:24alexbobPTorne: actually no... but if I unplug the player and plug it in again, it does
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18:53:47alexbobPat least that's what I remember
18:53:55alexbobPI'll check in just a sec. right now I'm doing an fsck.
18:54:09Torneanyway, the other reason not to let people do it is that lots of them stop charging the battery if you turn them off
18:54:17Tornewhich is rarely what the user wants/expects
18:54:56Torneso yeah, we only allow poweroff while connected on players where we know it works properly and where it doesn't stop charging from continuing normally
18:55:30alexbobPis there a way to switch to OF without actually turning off?
18:55:44alexbobPcould rockbox just chain-boot it or something?
18:55:50Tornein theory, yes
18:56:00Tornebut it's not implemented afaik
18:56:04alexbobPbecause imo that'd be the ideal behavior for holding power on a plugged-in sansa clip +
18:56:25Tornewell no, the ideal behaviour would be for rockbox usb to work and for it not to be necessary at all :0
18:56:31alexbobPyeah, true XD
18:56:35gevaertsIt's implemented, but on AMSv2 there's a bug that sometimes causes the player to hang in a non-resettable state when that's done
18:56:41alexbobPbut that's harder to do! This is something I might actually be able to patch!
18:56:42TorneOh, yeah, that
18:56:48alexbobPgevaerts: whoah. permanently non-resettable?
18:56:56TornealexbobP: yes, you have to wait for ht ebattery to die
18:56:57gevaertsalexbobP: until the battery runs out
18:56:59pixelmait was disabled on these Sansas because.... what gevaerts said
18:57:03gevaertsi.e. a few days
18:57:19gevaertsNot deadly, but seriously annoying
18:57:53alexbobPI see... that'd piss me off for sure :P
18:58:03TornealexbobP: getting people to power it off ensures the harware is in the state the OF expects it to be in
18:58:03saratogafreddyb: sorry, that question didn't make sense, I meant can you do combinations like 96/64 fclk/pclk
18:58:12alexbobPthat's weird, how can that happen? I thought the power button worked through hardware and could always turn off a player...
18:58:12saratogaor do they have to be integer multiples
18:58:32alexbobPTorne: is there any sort of a "reboot" signal then? like on a pc?
18:58:41TornealexbobP: probably not, no
18:58:47Tornewhy would there be?
18:59:06TorneHolding power to hard power off is probably done by the power management chip
18:59:12Tornebut the power management chip is, itself, configurable, usually
18:59:22Torneand what inputs it listens to to trigger power events can be changed
18:59:36Torneso if something pokes it wrong then maybe that stops working :)
18:59:38freddybI think you can do whatever combination you want if you go async instead of fastbus. 62 is the max bus speed though.
18:59:48alexbobPTorne: ooh... so it'd be possible to make a different button function as power?
18:59:57alexbobPlike, say, that middle button that my pocket doesn't manage to press all the time?
19:00:05Torneonly if it's connected to one of the suitable detection pins on the power management chip
19:00:22Tornee.g. ipods connect both menu and select to the poweron pin on the PMIC
19:00:38Torne(they're connected to the same input, though, so you can't choose which works)
19:00:54Tornethe ipod hard reset thing does appear to be seperate discrete hardware
19:01:15Tornebut i don't think we're really sure, and even if it is that's uncommon :)
19:03:07alexbobPokay... know anything about what's connected to the power management chip on the clip+?
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19:03:22alexbobPit's not a big deal though, a bootloader that checks for the key is just as good imo
19:03:46Tornei have no idea
19:03:48saratogafreddyb: then optimal for codecs on the fuzev1 is probably something like 31/31 low, 93/62 boost, and then a new third level for mpegplayer and ape playback that does 248/62
19:05:28bertrikalexbobP, the power button, the MCLK signal, the timer wakeup signal and some other thing I forgot
19:06:13Tornebertrik: VBUS from USB?
19:06:30bertrikyes indeed and CHGIN
19:06:50freddybSaratoga: yeah, 62/62 is dropping frames on MPEG player...
19:07:18saratogayes we'll need to add a way for codecs and plugins to request higher clock speeds if needed
19:08:32freddybWould a user setting be bad?
19:08:43saratogai think so
19:08:47saratogait should be done automatically
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19:09:25saratogathe easiest way is to just have each codec declare if it needs higher performance, or if the player should conserve battery life during it's init sequence
19:09:37saratogathen have that toggle which clock boosting uses
19:09:42alexbobPbertrik: ooh! timer wakeup! could rockbox set that to make the device reboot?
19:10:12saratogafor players with only one boost clock, the call would do nothing
19:10:15bertriknot sure what you mean
19:11:14saratogamore complicated would be to have the pcm buffering system figure out if higher or lower clocks were needed dynamically
19:11:27saratogai'm not sure if that level of complication is useful though
19:11:29alexbobPbertrik: well I was just talking to Torne about the possibility of booting to OF if the user holds the power button while in rockbox with the fuze+ plugged in
19:11:35alexbobPbertrik: I'm trying to brainstorm how that could be done
19:11:53saratogasince we have a very good idea which codecs will need higher boost clocks (AAC+, APE, mpegplayer)
19:11:54bertrikthe kernel knows how many threads are ready for execution, maybe a high number for a few ticks could trigger boost
19:12:38saratogai'm reluctant to touch scheduling, but if someone more familar with it thinks it could work i'm fine with something like that
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19:14:27saratogafirst thing to do is get a target where 3 level boosting helps, then add support for all three clocks to it's driver
19:14:33saratogathen we can tweak
19:15:12freddybLet me do some investigating...
19:15:44gevaertsbertrik: number of threads isn't really related to CPU needed I think
19:15:55saratogayeah you'd want to watch the pcm buffer
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19:15:59saratogathats how boosting currently works
19:16:31saratogabut of course that may not work well for plugins that need boosting
19:16:59freddybDo we no idle time?
19:17:28saratogathe debug screen keeps track of boost percentage, which is functionally similar
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19:19:22freddybI was thinking of a dirty trick where you check the boost in the tick task and if it's 100% you up the cpu speed in steps. If it's lower, you turn it down.
19:19:43freddybI mean you up the boosted speed freq.
19:19:51saratogathe scheduler and buffering code are aware of how much CPU time the codecs are using
19:20:02saratogaso you can gradually increment clock speed if you like
19:20:09saratogai'm just not 100% sure its worth the extra effort
19:20:50saratoga(right now they just flip back and forth between boost and unboost, as well as tweak the thread priorities to ensure that the codecs get enough time)
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19:20:58freddybJust thinking that changing the boost speed might be easier than adding boost modes.
19:21:25freddybI don't know, though.
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19:25:57saratogachanging the boost speed is pretty much what i was suggesting
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19:27:28alexbobPI just pulled the rockbox source, but I don't know how to actually build it!
19:28:08saratogacheck the "contribute" link on the front page
19:29:42alexbobPokay, thanks. found it.
19:29:56alexbobPit's a little hidden, I wish one of the download pages had a link to the "using svn" and "how to compile" pages :P
19:32:13bertrikgevaerts, number of tasks *ready for execution* maybe, I'm sure you could do something useful with that
19:32:33alexbobPokay, configure script is in the tools folder, got it XD
19:33:01gevaertsbertrik: the main problem I see with that is that for normal use there's really only one active thread, and that's the codec
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19:59:35freddybAPE is the devil.
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20:22:35Vill1Have I come to the right place to ask a question concerning ipods and rockbox ?
20:22:53Vill1anyone ?
20:23:10Vill1thank you
20:24:08Vill1the volume on my ipod when played through my makita work radio is nowhere near as loud as when I use my old cheap mp3 player, is there a way I can get more control over the volume on my ipod
20:24:23Vill1louder playback
20:24:46Buschelyou are using the lune out via the adaptor?
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20:25:14Vill1yes a 3.5 to 3.5 jack from ipod to work music player
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20:25:54Vill1even when sound enhancement etc is uded the volume is nowhere near as loud as the cheap mp3 player
20:26:03Buschelso, you are *not* using the lineout but the headphone jack and plug it in your radio?
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20:26:25Vill1yes its a 3.5 to 3.5 jack
20:26:32Vill1one on each end
20:26:33pixelmaline out would be through the dock connector on the Ipods
20:26:55Vill1I am using the 3.5 one and I knpw what you mean
20:27:07Vill1yes the headphone jack sorry
20:27:25Vill1would I be able to purchase such a lead and would that make a lot of difference
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20:27:36Buschelhmm, volume turned up to 0 dB?
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20:27:54Vill1I am not sure what you mean
20:28:09Vill1volume turned up full on ipod yes
20:28:20Buschelok, that's what I meant
20:28:49Buscheljust to make sure -> what is your line out setting set to (in system settings)
20:29:01Vill1I have used the itunes settings to give me maximum output, its as if it is governed still as in governed for head phone use
20:29:06Vill1aha I am with you
20:29:21Vill1would a cable from the actual line out be better
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20:29:44Vill1you will have to help me with that question, am sorry
20:30:01Vill1system setting in where, the pc or ipod
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20:30:37Vill1was maybe thinking rockbox would give me more control
20:30:42Buscheloops, didn't ask what kind of iPod you are using. what type is it?
20:31:06Vill1but that lead coming from where I dock the ipod to the pc usb sounds good if theres one made for it
20:31:17Vill1iopd nano 13 gig
20:31:25Vill1next generatiuon
20:31:27Buschel13 GB?
20:31:37Buschelnever heard of it
20:31:57Vill1ipod nano it is 13 gig
20:32:07Buschelrockbox is only available for nano 1st and 2nd generation
20:32:11TheSevena chipmodded nano?
20:32:20Vill1nope straight out the box
20:32:39Vill1aha then that answers me question then, rockbox wont work lol
20:32:54TheSeventhe first 16GB nano that was available was the 4G
20:32:56Vill1I do thank you for your time, although I feel as if I have wasted it, apologies
20:32:59Buschelshould have asked for the type earlier ;)
20:33:26Vill1I wanted the 40gig one like my sons but it was a present so couldn't complain lol
20:33:38TheSevena 40gig nano!?
20:33:48TheSevenor do you mean an ipod video?
20:34:11TheSeven(or even ipod touch?)
20:34:16Buschelhmm, that was my thought, too. a 30 GB iPod Video?
20:34:16Vill1the old ipod 40 or 60 gig
20:34:23Vill1looks a lot like the iphone
20:34:32Vill1nope not nano
20:35:04Vill1do you knowe which one I mean
20:35:07TheSevenand old ipod looking like an iphone? huh?
20:35:19Buschelsounds like an iPod touch
20:35:36TheSeventhe old hard disk based ones, or the new ipod touch 4g?
20:35:39Vill1its about 5 years old
20:35:43Vill1maybe 4
20:35:51Vill1got it him when he went in the navy
20:35:51TheSeventhat must be an ipod video then
20:36:07*evilnick_B requests the Apple "ipod generations" URL so that we can lay this to rest :)
20:36:09*TheSeven can't see how that one looks similar to an iphone
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20:36:37evilnick_BVill1: Can you identify it from here:
20:37:40Vill1Apple iPod classic 80GB black
20:37:51Vill1that one
20:38:03Vill1now that looks like an iphone to me lol
20:38:12Buschelhehe :)
20:38:35Vill1you agree ?
20:38:50TheSevenhm, maybe the black one... i have only seen silver ones so far
20:38:59Vill1or are my eyes that bad :) I am 52 by the way
20:39:08Vill1but love music
20:39:09TheSevenwhy is that page missing the most recent models btw?
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20:39:51pixelmaask Apple
20:39:52Vill1is it possible to get a lead that goes from the port connection to a 3.5 jack in my works radio
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20:40:25Vill1cause you made me think about it and maybe the headphone socket isn't the best
20:41:38Vill1cant see any mention of it
20:42:01webguest74i have a problem with my ipod video..everytime i initialize the database the battery goes empty in 20 minutes
20:42:13webguest74can anyone help?
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20:42:44webguest74it never processes the whole database
20:42:52webguest74i mean al songs
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20:43:05BuschelVill1: or this one ->
20:43:21pixelmasounds like the database is choking on some file(s)
20:43:22BuschelVill1: there seem to be several solutions −− but not too mayn
20:44:17Vill1heyyyy thanks that looks the part, do you think I would get better quality etc by using this instead of using the headphone outlet :)
20:44:30webguest74i think files..
20:44:32Vill1I am gpoing to order it anyway :)
20:44:36webguest74it processes songs very slow
20:44:44alexbobPhey, according to the rockbox buyer's guide wiki page, the sansa fuze v2 is still in production. Is that true? It seems to be gone from stores...
20:45:08freddybwebguest74: initializing the database takes a lot of juice. If your battery is weak you can wipe it out. Can you plug it in to initialize?
20:45:14BuschelVill1: might be, but I really cannot tell...
20:45:23Vill1hey Buschel :) first review says this
20:45:28Vill1This is a necessity for anyone who has a car deck with aux in. Eliminates the need for volume adjustment on the ipod which is great,
20:45:40Buschelthere you go
20:45:46Vill1you little diamond :)
20:45:57Vill1this has been bugging me for months :)
20:46:05Vill1thank you very much
20:46:13Vill1bye for now :)
20:46:17Buschelno prob, glad I could help :)
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20:48:06webguest74if i plug stops the initialize
20:50:44saratogaput your player in charge mode and then init the database
20:50:51saratogasee the manual if you don't know how to do that
20:51:33webguest74is there a charge mode for ipod video?
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20:52:38saratogano i just made it up ...
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20:53:57webguest74this chat is really useful
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20:57:14pixelmawebguest74: there is and we put it in our manual to not have to answer the same questions again and again, you can find it in the quick start section
20:58:03alexbobPI wander what sansa's original firmware is doing that makes it take 20 seconds to boot, when rockbox takes less than one
20:58:09pixelmaI still think that initialising the database shouldn't take 20 minutes, except maybe if you have tons of small files
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20:58:50pixelmaor something goes wrong
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20:59:47webguest74i have 2000 songs
20:59:54webguest74the rockbox firmware
21:00:07webguest74and let's say another 50 small files
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21:01:06saratogaprobably a corrupt file in there somewhere thats hanging the parser
21:01:25webguest741053 found..and it stuck
21:03:01webguest74it's not because of 1file
21:03:04u42pthat recently happened to me a lot
21:03:14u42pdefect sd card formatting in my case
21:03:41webguest74well..maybe it's the hard disk in my case
21:03:41saratogayeah the parser's sanity checking isn't as good as it should be, so if you feed it enough gibberish it'll eventually die
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21:04:34pixelmawebguest74: what makes you sure it's not one file?
21:05:23webguest74because it would stuck at that file
21:05:35webguest74but now it reached 1059
21:06:03webguest74files found
21:06:31saratogatry checking the disk for errors, its possible you have some files that report an absurd file size or something
21:08:00pixelmait's not files, more "items", not important though. Or do you have files with e.g.some embedded large album art pictures?
21:10:11webguest74maybe..but not that many
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21:36:43saratoga16 bit libmad synthesis filter now works and gives very good agreement with the old 32 bit oone
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22:23:19*Strife89 needs a little help to restore an iPod. He can't get to , although it appears to be up.
22:24:53domonokyStrife89: it works for me, what do you need ?
22:25:44Strife89The firmware for an iPod Color 20GB.
22:26:13Strife89"TDS" are the last three chars in the serial number.
22:26:47Strife89domonoky: Pretty sure the library server is blocking the site.
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22:54:48saratogaBuschel: i just assumed they were scaled to fill the full 32 bits
22:55:25saratogabut it looks like they're already shifted by 2 or 3 bits now that i look closer
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