#rockbox 2010-11-23

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#rockbox log for 2010-11-23

00:00:25	saratoga	Buschel: does it happen in the pGain1->num_gain_data == 1 case?
00:01:09	Buschel	I'll tell you in a sec
00:01:57	saratoga	this is strange, these are all parts of the codec we never touched
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00:08:12	Buschel	arrg, did some mistake
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00:13:46	Buschel	saratoga: always happening in applyFixGain() in the (pGain1->num_gain_data == 1)-path
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00:17:22	Buschel	ouch, bad thing
00:18:12	Buschel	found it...
00:18:17	Buschel	fixed it...
00:20:34	saratoga	nice
00:20:41	Buschel	bug was introduced by myself with r24668 (February)
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00:26:42	CIA-7	New commit by Buschel (r28642): Fix bug in libatrac which lead to playback errors and/or distortions with some atrac3 files.
00:28:22	Buschel	good one, isn't it? ;)
00:28:38	CIA-7	r28642 build result: All green
00:28:51	saratoga	yeah nice find
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00:34:10	Buschel	saratoga: if you find time, could you just give http://pastie.org/1318743 a chance on your beast? if at all the difference should be small, but the MEM_ALIGN macro is used instead of the __attribute__ stuff
00:34:43	saratoga	Buschel: is this different then the one last night?
00:39:09	Buschel	needed to check. for the beast its the same. so, no need to check again
00:40:08	saratoga	ah ok
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00:40:56	saratoga	btw i just figured out how to remote desktop into a windows 7 machine running an ubuntu vm running the rockbox simulator and get audio played on my local machine
00:41:14	eWill	Ok, I've posted the bug report. Play/Pause button no longer returns to WPS from View Current Playlist. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11772 (revision where this started is known)
00:42:02	CIA-7	New commit by Buschel (r28643): Use MEM_ALIGN_ATTR in libatrac3.
00:43:56	Llorean	eWill: So it works in r28138 but not in r28140?
00:43:57	CIA-7	r28643 build result: All green
00:44:17	eWill	Llorean: correct
00:44:19	Llorean	You mention the test was on 28641, which is 500 revisions different from the numbers you mentioned.
00:44:26	Buschel	good night!
00:44:34	saratoga	night
00:44:54	eWill	Llorean: side panel asked what version i was using.
00:45:02	eWill	Llorean: should i word better?
00:45:36	Llorean	eWill: Well, you should mention the last version it worked, the first version it didn't, and then the most current version that's still not working.
00:45:57	*	eWill is working on it...
00:46:08	Llorean	It's okay, but it just wasn't entirely clear
00:46:45	eWill	oh wow −− I can't edit that can I?
00:46:59	eWill	you can if you want.
00:47:09	Llorean	You can just post a reply clarifying. It's not too big a deal, but since you said you tested on 28641 it sounds a little unclear
00:47:25	eWill	ok thanks
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00:58:31	eWill	How hard would it be to rotate the screen 90° when using the Text Viewer plugin?
00:59:17	JdGordon\|	depends what effect you want
00:59:35	JdGordon\|	very simple if you dont mind the text being rotated 90deg also :p
00:59:48	eWill	:\|
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01:00:04	eWill	:)
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01:02:30	sideral	Hi JdGordon, did you need any further information regarding the remaining tagcache fixes? (FS #11721 and FS #11723)
01:03:43	JdGordon\|	11721 is correct now?
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01:03:54	JdGordon\|	looks like i missed the reply when you added it
01:04:11	sideral	Yes it is
01:04:44	eWill	JdGordon: Me, yeah. Good?
01:05:10	eWill	nevermind
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01:05:48	JdGordon\|	alrighty, may was well get them in now while I wait for shit to compile at work :p
01:06:01	sideral	:) thank you
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01:13:18	CIA-7	New commit by jdgordon (r28644): Accept FS #11721 by Michael Hohmuth ...
01:15:06	CIA-7	r28644 build result: All green
01:15:18	CIA-7	New commit by jdgordon (r28645): Accept FS #11723 by Michael Hohmuth ...
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01:17:02	CIA-7	r28645 build result: 16 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
01:17:45	JdGordon\|	oh poo
01:18:37	JdGordon\|	sideral: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=28645;type=iriverh300db
01:18:43	sideral	dang
01:21:53	saratoga	Buschel: (for the logs) is it just me or is the dct32 in libmad (and I guess mpc) needlessly shifting by 1 bit?
01:22:24	saratoga	it seems like you can just rescale the trig coefficients by one bit (losslessly) and then you don't need to shift
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01:22:29	saratoga	unless i'm completely missing something
01:22:43	sideral	JdGordon: Hmm, why didn't I see this one? What is it trying to build, the database tool? Sorry for this one. Back to the drawing board I guess...
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01:24:19	JdGordon\|	sideral: http://pastebin.com/bnDDFbqb looks correct right?
01:25:26	sideral	Yes it does, assuming the db tool doesn't use the command-queue craziness :) thanks
01:25:39	JdGordon\|	well it cant, because it isnt compiled in :p
01:25:51	CIA-7	New commit by jdgordon (r28646): fix red
01:26:38	sideral	argh, should be ifndef instead of ifdef
01:26:58	krazykit	is it supposed to take a while (or sendfirm not give any output) while recovering a gigabeat s?
01:27:22	JdGordon\|	haha
01:27:24	JdGordon\|	woops
01:27:36	CIA-7	r28646 build result: 16 errors, 90 warnings (jdgordon committed)
01:27:36	sideral	like this: http://pastebin.com/kN7H491S
01:28:07	CIA-7	New commit by jdgordon (r28647): once more
01:28:34	JdGordon\|	gotta keep my commit:fix ratio even :p
01:29:43	CIA-7	r28647 build result: All green
01:31:15	sideral	thank you JdGordon!
01:31:23	JdGordon\|	no, thank you!
01:31:31	JdGordon\|	we need more people looking into the db :)
01:31:57	sideral	is there a make command to build everything (or another way I could have prevented this)?
01:31:58	krazykit	i'm running sendfirm, and it fails with the following output http://pastebin.com/xEZPedy1 . beast users, some help please?
01:32:44	krazykit	the gigabeat S screen doesn't update when i use sendfirm, either
01:33:18	sideral	I actually think the db is pretty neat, but I don't understand it fully yet
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01:34:26	JdGordon\|	sideral: there are various hacks you can do, and people have their own scripts, but really it isnt a big deal
01:36:12	saratoga	huh a shift by 32 works in the sim, but if i try smmul on the beast its distorted
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01:39:34	sideral	BTW: I use Emacs... does anyone have a standard Emacs c-mode setup that produces the Rockbox coding style, by any chance?
01:40:17	saratoga	god damn it why isn't dircache on by default on the beast
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01:49:59	krazykit	if i have an unformatted hard drive in the beast, do I need to recover the OF before I can install rockbox?
01:51:23	Unhelpful	krazykit: i imagine so, probably with the upgrader would be the easiest way, but that particular firmware installs a boot firmware that will require the use of dual-boot rockbox (unless things have gotten better?)
01:53:32	krazykit	well, i've been trying to use sendfirm to send an original NK.bin and it fails the first time straight away then errors out the second time i try after a few minutes. relevant output: http://pastebin.com/qvEigLXB
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01:57:12	Unhelpful	krazykit: that makes me wonder if you need either a newer or an older libmtp
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02:09:47	eWill	Debug Menu > CPU Frequency −−- When my e200v1 goes from 80MHz to 30MHz does the voltage go down too (saving battery)? Also, what is the "boost_counter".
02:13:50	JdGordon\|	the counter is how many things have asked for boost
02:13:56	JdGordon\|	usually it should be <2
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02:15:27	eWill	If I hit "right" button, freq. goes down to 24MHz.
02:16:51	JdGordon\|	best to leave that screen alone
02:17:31	DerPapst	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/oops/TargetSpecificOptimization/WebHome?template=oopsmissing#MCF5250 <−− some wiki error
02:18:59	eWill	JdGordon: ok, but I didn't hurt anything by going down to 24MHz - right?
02:19:18	*	eWill knows he was warned
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03:56:26	keenerd	Anyone with a Fuze V2 and an SD card want to try to reproduce an error? I get crashes when playing a certain albumn from the sd card.
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04:00:50	Llorean	but not when you copy the files from the card to internal storage?
04:00:54	keenerd	It is fairly high bandwidth ogg. And freely redistributable. In 15 minutes I'll have a zipfile of it uploaded.
04:01:01	keenerd	Yeah.
04:01:31	Llorean	How did you copy it from the memory card to internal storage?
04:01:46	keenerd	Used Rockbox's copy.
04:01:58	keenerd	Which is much faster than it was in years paste :-)
04:02:03	keenerd	*past
04:02:33	Llorean	What kind of crash is it?
04:03:02	keenerd	Hard lockup. You eon't even see an error message unless you are already siting in the debug menu.
04:03:40	keenerd	Two different error messages:
04:04:15	Llorean	You should probably file a bug report, then.
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04:04:24	Llorean	If the album's freely distributable you can then attach it to the report
04:04:28	keenerd	Prefetch abort at EA000034 FSR 0x8 (domain 0, fault 8)
04:04:34	keenerd	Data abort at 30815260 FSR 0x8 (domain 0, fault 8) address 0x9000069D
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04:05:26	keenerd	I'd like try to make sure it is really a bug first.
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04:08:55	Llorean	I'm not sure how you'd confirm it's really a bug based on someone else's results.
04:09:00	Llorean	You'd have to rule it out or in locally.
04:09:55	keenerd	I could just be insane. Could be a hardware problem.
04:10:08	keenerd	It is nice to have a confirmation on such stuff.
04:10:25	Llorean	Yeah, but even if the person who tests can't reproduce it, that doesn't really confirm nor disprove it being a bug.
04:10:36	Llorean	The fact that you can use Rockbox copy to get the files of the card, and then play them without crashes from the internal storage, while if they're played from the card you consistently (I assume) get crashes suggests pretty strongly that the files aren't corrupt. So assuming the card's good, it's the combination of Rockbox playback and the card, right?
04:10:53	keenerd	Presumably.
04:11:07	keenerd	I'd like to narrow it down further.
04:11:09	Llorean	So if it's hardware, there's no way to verify other than trying a different card with the exact same everything else, and then a different player but same build and same card, or something.
04:11:53	Llorean	Does it always crash in the same file? Have you tried other very high bitrate files, other high computation but lower bitrate files, or combination high-cpu-high-bitrate files?
04:12:02	keenerd	For all I know, it is a slow spot on the flash, where it can't read off fast enough.
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04:12:53	keenerd	But I'll try those.
04:13:06	keenerd	Any suggestions for a good high cpu plugin?
04:14:47	Llorean	I think lossy wavpack is one of the least optimized lossy codecs.
04:15:06	Llorean	And of course ApeV2 is the highest CPU codec at high bitrate (which means decoding while reading often)
04:15:16	Llorean	Er Monkey's Audio
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04:15:47	keenerd	This is crashing on <150kbs ogg though.
04:16:56	Llorean	Yes, but the idea would be to see if you could reproduce the crash in other circumstances, no?
04:17:22	Llorean	Of course if it's just a bad part of the card, I would assume copying it from the card to internal storage would've had difficulty
04:17:30	keenerd	No.
04:17:38	Llorean	As well, deleting it from the card then recopying (or making a second copy of it on the card, then playing that, to ensure it didn't re-use the same blocks) would be an idea
04:17:40	keenerd	I've done forensic recovery of flash.
04:17:47	keenerd	And have seen odder things.
04:18:16	Llorean	Odder things than what? Aren't both cases "rockbox reads the file from flash"?
04:19:01	keenerd	Odd things like controllers crashing when you dd out a 1MB chunk, but work find when you read out the same bytes as two 512KB chunks.
04:19:44	keenerd	But those were some pretty messed up circumstances :-)
04:20:08	Llorean	But this is one specific album consistently crashing, rather than anything from the card, right?
04:20:14	Llorean	Have you tried a second copy of the album on the card?
04:20:36	keenerd	Doing that now.
04:20:57	keenerd	Album is here: http://kmkeen.com/tmp/KentaCho.zip 47MB.
04:23:48	saratoga	anyone available who can look at one line of ARM asm and tell me why it doesn't do the same thing as 2 lines of c?
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04:36:35	keenerd	Llorean: I'm starting to think the whole things was a bad block problem.
04:36:42	keenerd	*thing
04:38:30	krazykit	Unhelpful, i tried using libmtp-.3.0.1 to no avail. beastpatcher couldn't send an NK.bin either
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05:14:29	saratoga	bah I give up
05:14:46	saratoga	Buschel: if you could look at this, I don't understand: http://pastebin.com/MjEjHRWe
05:15:09	saratoga	the last version thats written in all c and uses a 32 bit shift works fine
05:15:13	saratoga	but the two arm asm versions do not
05:15:19	saratoga	i don't understand the difference
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05:22:21	saratoga	heres a more complete pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Ba7YDDah
05:22:32	saratoga	i stared at this for about an hour
05:22:37	saratoga	i'm obviously missing something stupid
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08:39:20	CIA-7	New commit by kugel (r28648): Playlist viewer: Fix regression introduced by r28138 which made some buttons not work in the playlist viewer. ...
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09:11:56	eWill	kugel: Your comment for the last commit references r28138. I think it should be r28139.
09:12:38	kugel	no, the actual change was 38, 39 only fixed compilation failure
09:13:03	eWill	38 compiled for me. 39 didn't and 40 fixed it
09:13:09	kugel	oh wait
09:13:15	kugel	yes, oops
09:15:59	kugel	I copy&pasted the wrong revision from the flyspray task :/
09:16:21	eWill	just glad to help
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09:21:27	eWill	Just installed latest. Thanks kugel.
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09:24:10	kugel	Buschel (logs): shouldn't r28642 be backported?
09:25:22	kugel	gevaerts, AlexP: 3.7 gets 1 month old in a week. are we going for a 3.7.1?
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10:08:24	pixelma	Zagor: any news on the Go and Search box problem in the wiki?
10:09:11	Zagor	no, I haven't had time to look at it yet
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10:10:16	pixelma	ok, I just don't want it to be forgotten :)
10:11:14	Zagor	that's good. feel free to remind me every few days.
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10:57:52	Stummi	a developer here who want's to look at my rockboy-patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11757#comment37646
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16:50:20	saratoga	Zagor: could you upload this file to the download server: http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/atrac3_lp2_132.oma
16:51:07	Zagor	saratoga: done
16:51:20	saratoga	thanks
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17:02:15	saratoga	anyone around who can look at a tiny bit of arm asm?
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17:46:50	saratoga	in arm asm, is it possible to do a signed multiply of a signed and an unsigned integer without the unsigned getting interpreted a signed?
17:47:45	saratoga	for instance, using 16 bit integers as an example, can I multiply 60,000 by -7 without having the 60,000 converted to a large negative number by the op?
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17:50:00	mortalscan	morning folks
17:50:36	mortalscan	can anyone tell me if ipod nano 3g is supported yet ?
17:50:47	mortalscan	or will be at some point?
17:50:48	saratoga	this website: www.rockbox.org
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18:04:40	mortalscan	i take it no then
18:04:41	mortalscan	lol
18:04:54	Dreamxtreme	soon maybe
18:04:58	Dreamxtreme	i think
18:04:58	TheSeven	saratoga: you pinged me tonight?
18:05:24	TheSeven	and regarding your ARM ASM question: do you need the full 64bit result or only the lower 32 bits, and what ranges can the numbers be in?
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18:06:03	TheSeven	mortalscan: it probably will be at some point, but that point will be months, if not years, away
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18:07:57	saratoga	TheSeven: was going to ask you about that ASM
18:08:37	saratoga	I want to multiply a 32 bit unsigned value that takes the entire 32 bits by a signed integer and then only return the top 32 btis
18:08:38	saratoga	bits
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18:08:59	saratoga	basically, I want to use the smmul operation, except with one argument unsigned
18:09:03	saratoga	i'm not sure if thats possible
18:09:08	saratoga	i may have to rethink my optimization
18:09:33	TheSeven	it probably won't work in a single instruction
18:09:37	saratoga	hmm buschel just PMed me saying its not
18:09:54	saratoga	i'll try and rework the code so that i can use signed for both values
18:10:24	TheSeven	for the bottom 32 bits it would have been doable :)
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18:20:36	saratoga	guess i'll have plenty to do during the holidays
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19:30:39	gevaerts	AlexP: ping
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19:44:41	gevaerts	AlexP: http://pastebin.com/xEkAm5gL is my shortlist
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19:54:21	gevaerts	AlexP: I'm not sure what to do with the r28000 situation. I guess it's best not to touch stable for that though
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20:04:26	Guest9567843	Hey I started using Rockbox like 4-5 years ago on my iPod Video 60gb, and I seem to recall trying it out first in some kind of emulator that I swear I found on the site, to see if I liked it before I tried to install. Now that Rockbox has a solid build for sansa clips I'd like to put that on my mom's Clip, but it would help if I could show her what it would be like first. Any help please?
20:05:05	gevaerts	Guest9567843: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ is probably what you're looking for
20:06:31	gevaerts	Or rather rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator-3.7/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator-3.7/
20:06:37	Guest9567843	Thanks, exactly what I was looking for! They should have that easily accessible from the front page for people
20:08:41	gevaerts	Those binaries aren't actually provided by the project. They're provided by an individual developer on a best-effort basis. I'm not sure if we should have front page links to them...
20:11:08	Guest9567843	I see. Well I sure understand your point. You don't want to confuse people that it's official. It is very helpful though, so maybe a link with a warning?
20:12:52	*	gevaerts isn't sure
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20:14:12	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator says "Because it is mainly aimed at developers, there are no official downloads of ready-to-run Rockbox UI simulators", and that's at least partly true. The simulators are always going to have limitations that may give a wrong impression
20:14:56	gevaerts	I'm not saying we shouldn't publicise them more. I just think it's not a clear-cut thing
20:15:34	pixelma	maybe put a link on the "extras" page?
20:16:00	gevaerts	Actually, there is one there
20:16:02	pixelma	haven't checked though if there already is a link
20:16:16	pixelma	see
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20:32:59	Nerdy3_14159265	I know it's software because the ofw works fine
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20:36:15	pixelma	Nerdy3_14159265: did you try resetting settings (from PC) now? Also, which version are you running exactly?
20:36:35	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: I'm using the latest and I need to ask how to reset them from pc
20:37:30	pixelma	delete the config.cfg (in the .rockbox folder)
20:37:51	Nerdy3_14159265	okay, now I just need to figure out how to unhide the folder in ubuntu
20:38:06	pixelma	"the latest" is not exact, what number can you read on the boot screen?
20:38:28	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: It's waaaay to fast to pick that out
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20:39:31	pixelma	ok, then you should find a rockbox-info.txt (also in the .rockbox folder) which has the info too
20:40:08	pixelma	can't help you with ubuntu though
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20:40:39	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: I've deleted the config and I'll relaunch rockbox and find out later
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20:57:33	Nerdy3_14159265	Back and I think I've figured it out
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20:59:54	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: I think I've got it now
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21:02:02	pixelma	do you know what happened? Maybe it would have been better to just rename the file or copy it somewhere else in case it gives some info (forgot about it myself though)
21:02:58	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: My battery was basically dead but rockbox didn't warn me when I was playing that game or anything
21:03:21	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: since the battery was so low it can support that level of brightness but rockbox is still acting weird
21:03:42	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: I'm charging and the screen will work until I try to scroll then it stops working for awhile
21:05:43	Nerdy3_14159265	pixelma: back later
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21:15:39	bertrik	ranmachan, can you test this patch on your c200v2
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21:34:12	pixelma	bertrik: it may help if you mention which patch you are talking about (maybe I missed something though)
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21:37:44	bertrik	sorry, http://pastebin.ca/2000181
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22:06:20	AlexP	gevaerts: sorry, was unexpectedly out
22:06:43	AlexP	gevaerts: The list looks good, and I think we should leave r28000 as is for 3.7
22:06:44	ranmachan	bertrik: What does the changed R_DCDC_SET value do?
22:07:49	gevaerts	AlexP: actually, forget r28409. That's not classic on-target code...
22:09:22	AlexP	ah yes (I didn't look at the actual commits) :)
22:09:26	bertrik	it lowers the display bias a bit, this value currently seems too high, limiting the allowable contrast range
22:09:43	gevaerts	AlexP: hm, is r28360 serious enough, or actually a bug (as opposed to a change in how we deal with things)?
22:10:20	scorche	Stummi: i am here
22:10:33	AlexP	gevaerts: arguable I think
22:10:58	gevaerts	OK. I'd say that means "no backport"
22:11:46	AlexP	yeah, probably right
22:12:05	gevaerts	Especially for a thing this minor
22:12:43	AlexP	yeah
22:14:26	CIA-7	New commit by gevaerts (r28651): 3.7 branch: backport r28418 (disktidy: handles user abort properly)
22:15:43	CIA-7	New commit by gevaerts (r28652): 3.7 branch: backport r28608 (Wait for the db to be ready before trying to to any runtime stats, FS #11722 by Michael Hohmuth)
22:16:42	bertrik	What's the deal with the backports?
22:17:06	bertrik	Will we have some official bug backport branch now for each release now?
22:17:41	AlexP	bertrik: That's the plan
22:17:54	gevaerts	ah, that translation update is there alreasy
22:18:00	AlexP	We are shortly going to do 3.7.1
22:18:33	bertrik	ok
22:20:05	gevaerts	OK, that means 3.7.1 has http://pastebin.com/rnkPkFte
22:20:39	AlexP	gevaerts: Awesome, I was just about to do that :)
22:21:03	AlexP	I'll do the provisional release notes
22:21:28	gevaerts	There's one new name in CREDITS
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22:24:53	ranmachan	bertrik: Patch is ok
22:25:04	bertrik	thanks!
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22:55:11	AlexP	gevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes371
22:56:21	gevaerts	AlexP: it seems that TheSeven is good at understatement :)
22:56:41	AlexP	yes :)
22:56:48	AlexP	Maybe that small should go
22:56:59	gevaerts	Well, the bug was small
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22:57:45	gevaerts	IIRC the result of that fix is something like "writing is three times faster now"
22:57:47	AlexP	I need to add to one of the manual ones, it doesn't mean anything on its own
22:58:10	gevaerts	I'd ignore manual fixes in the release notes actually
22:59:08	AlexP	yes, the other one is superseded anyway
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23:01:43	gevaerts	So what's the plan for getting this out?
23:02:51	AlexP	I don't think there is too much - build everything, get it uploaded, announce?
23:02:55	AlexP	tag etc.
23:03:08	AlexP	What I mean is we don't need to wait for anything
23:03:31	gevaerts	Maybe we want to backport r28427 too?
23:04:08	AlexP	I doesn't really matter for the release though, where version is done via the scripts
23:04:16	AlexP	*It
23:04:21	AlexP	I always matter :)
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23:05:40	gevaerts	We should probably start incrementing those version numbers
23:06:37	AlexP	yes
23:06:50	*	gevaerts starts on that
23:06:58	AlexP	OK, cool :)
23:09:07	gevaerts	hm, did any user-visible string change?
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23:09:40	gevaerts	In other words, do we increment "voicerelease" in tools/builds.pm?
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23:10:40	AlexP	a good question
23:11:43	gevaerts	apps/lang didn't change apart from this one Russian update
23:11:51	*	gevaerts decides to leave that one at 3.7
23:13:51	gevaerts	AlexP: any educated guess on when we release? That script has a date in it!
23:14:06	AlexP	hehe :)
23:14:21	AlexP	I'm out tomorrow night (not sure when back), but am there Thursday
23:14:33	gevaerts	ok, let's try for Thursday then
23:14:40	AlexP	sounds good
23:15:03	CIA-7	New commit by gevaerts (r28653): Bump version numbers in preparation for 3.7.1
23:17:12	gevaerts	Maybe a mail to the dev list to see if people have other stuff to propose?
23:18:20	AlexP	yeppers, why not indeed :)
23:18:42	*	gevaerts prepares to toss a coin
23:18:48	gevaerts	AlexP: heads or tails?
23:18:53	AlexP	tails
23:19:07	gevaerts	tails it is. I'll get to work
23:19:13	AlexP	haha :)
23:19:19	AlexP	I don't mind sending it :)
23:21:27	*	gevaerts is on it
23:21:36	AlexP	k, cool :)
23:26:27	gevaerts	Sent
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