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#rockbox log for 2010-12-01

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00:12:43TheSevenhm, PIO seems to be somewhat working, but DMA isn't
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00:37:56supahive got a problem with my ipod nano 1g and rockbox
00:38:11supahit sorta wouldnt charge anymore
00:38:21supaheventually it did after restarting like a gazillion times
00:38:26supahand now i cant acces it anymore
00:38:44supahi could turn it on and browse the stuff already on there, but not browse it from the pc
00:38:49supahit told me i had to format it i did
00:39:00supahthen it formatted
00:39:06supahand in the end it said formatting failed
00:39:27supahsooo now i get, on my ipod: rockbox obot load version blablabla
00:39:38supahthen loading rockbox...error cant find file
00:39:39n1sum, what told you you had to format the ipod disk?
00:39:42supahi obviously formatted it
00:39:49supahtold me
00:39:57supahwindows 7 and xp both did :(
00:40:08n1sah, easiest way to restore is usually using itunes
00:40:17supahya i thought so indeed
00:40:20supahits downloading right now
00:40:23supahso ima try that in a min
00:40:35supahitunes installs apple os on it
00:40:41supahthen i can get rid of that and reput rockbox?
00:40:43n1sbut if you only formatted the data partition without touching mbr or the hidden partition you should just need to reinstall rockbox
00:40:59supahya that doesnt work because i cant acces the ipod anymore
00:41:04supahwon't show up
00:41:47n1swhat happens when you connect it?
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00:42:58n1sthere is an emergency disk mode that can be accessed by button presses when booting, IIRC the bootloader shows a message saying how to do that if it doesn't find the rockbox binary so have you tried that?
00:43:26supahye its select + play
00:43:28supahtells me indeed
00:43:34supahbut that doesnt do a thing
00:43:51supahif i connect it, it just simply won't show up when explorer
00:43:57supahwhen = in
00:44:44n1sif you reboot it by pressing and holding menu+select and then immediately switch to menu+play it should start in the emergency disk mode
00:44:59n1stiming it right can be a bit tricky though
00:45:40supahwow cool
00:45:43supahthat worked
00:45:50supahtells me right away to format though
00:46:10supahill just format and see if i can put rockbox on again
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00:49:10Llorean supah: If your problems started with it not charging anymore, it sounds like the iPod itself got broken somehow. No amount of reformatting is going to undo physical damage
00:49:28supahit charged eventually
00:49:36supahthe battery was completely drained
00:49:56supahi just plugged it in and eventually, after like, 12 hours, it started charging
00:50:05supahresetting all the time during those 12 hours
00:50:38supahits an ipod nano 1g, those things dont break, man
00:51:07supahah very excellent
00:51:09LloreanIf you're having problems both charging and accessing it, it could be a bad cable or a bad dock port.
00:51:13supahi got it workin again!
00:51:29supahya luckily it isnt ;D
00:51:38supahalso tried it on different computers with different cables
00:51:53supahbut i just failed to understand rockbox boot help screen
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02:47:32webguest83Hey I got a problem with my iAudio X5. After I installed RockBox on it, my computer seems to not be able to access the player. The Rockbox utility cannot even find my player even after I plugged it in to the USB port.
02:48:21webguest83I can still turn th eplayer on/off and use Rockbox, but I am not able to add any files to playback on it.
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03:07:27webguest83Nevermind I figured it out
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04:50:15funkyjivegevaerts you are a rockstar. I pushed on the black chip and felt it move into place. Then my sansa e260 started up. rock on!
04:50:27funkyjivethanks a bunch!
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06:31:24UnclePervyJesusquick question, does the rbutil install the latist bootloader for the iriver h10 or do i need to download that and install it myself?
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06:41:15ZhangNinghow to register my name?
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06:49:12UnclePervyJesustype /ns help
06:51:49ZhangNingI have typed the command "/ns help",but it says unknown command
06:52:56SundiverZhangNing /nickserv register
06:53:54ZhangNingi'm sorry for my poor English
06:54:06SundiverThat's fine
06:54:08ZhangNingbut it still can't work
06:54:12SundiverNobody is perfect
06:54:26ZhangNingalso unknown command
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06:54:59ZhangNingSomething must wrong with it
06:55:21SundiverIf you just type /nickserv...
06:55:40SundiverWhat will you get?
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06:57:32ZhangNingunknown command
06:57:53ZhangNingplease use /help for help
06:59:04JdGordon|do you want to register your irc name or wiki name?
06:59:21JdGordon|if its irc then ask elsewhere, it is off topic
07:00:13ZhangNingi want to register my irc name
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07:09:40SundiverZhangNing, try /msg nickserv help
07:11:30SundiverHow does it work for you?
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07:28:44ZhangNingIt doesn't work
07:29:00ZhangNingi'm sorry,i;m late
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07:41:03SundiverZhangNing, what irc client do you use?
07:42:16JdGordon|I've asked you once, don't make me kick you.... take it to pm or another channel... this is for rockbox talk only
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09:37:51wodzif I declare some struct const inside function - where it will be placed? .data?
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09:52:40pixelmaStummi: about FS #11786 - the answer so far has always been along the lines "it's not a normal setting which you can change at will, you don't chose which time it is"
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09:54:05wodzpixelma: may I ask how is work on mpio remote svg going?
09:54:20Stummiyou chose which time it is on the device ;)
09:55:23pixelmawodz: didn't get around to it at all, sorry. I guess it'll wait till the Christmas holidays or so (and Gigabeat remote would come first)
09:55:32Stummiapropos time. Is there already support for countrys which are using summer and winter time?
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09:56:52wodzwell I am with Stummi about FS #11786 - The date/time screen can be under System but the ability to change time/date should be under Settings->System IMO
09:57:55wodzThis is similar to volume setting - the setting changes outside of setting menu (if you choose to adjust volume from WPS for example)
09:57:55pixelmaStummi: IIRC everytime this idea comes up, there's a discussion how to implement it correctly as sometimes the law changes in the countries. There are also countries with different regulations in the different time zones (or even areas)
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10:01:49n1sStummi: there's no special support for dst, you have to adjust the time manually
10:02:12Stummipixelma, n1s, ok. thanks
10:02:13n1swodz: i wouldn't like moving the setting for the time away from the time & date screen
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10:03:46wodzn1s: why?
10:04:09n1sbecause to me having all the time related stuff in one place makes sense
10:04:44wodzso maybe a compromise would be to duplicate this i.e add to settings leaving in time screen?
10:06:04n1si wouldn't be against that but this whole issue was discussed at length the last time it was changed so if you change it now, in 6 months someone will come along and bring up the discussion as they think it should be in yet another way :)
10:06:42wodzI found out this SUPER counter intuitive to set time/date outside the settings submenu
10:06:56wodzI had to read manual to find out
10:07:26n1swell, i don't feel very strongly about it, i usualy don't bother setting the time and don't use any of the other time features
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10:08:37n1swodz: i think it's more that the sleep timer and the date & time screen itself was a pretty bad fit for settings but having some of the time stuff in the settings and some in the system meny confused people too
10:08:57AlexPI don't mind where they are, but I want all time stuff together
10:09:10AlexPs/want/would like :)
10:09:31Stummibtw, since allmost all devices and gadgets in the household have a clock I don't set it on the most of them :)
10:09:42n1sAlexP: that's basically the thing i care most about in this too
10:10:03n1syeah, my beast thinks it's in 2080 something
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10:11:28AlexPbtw, 11786 should be closed IMO, it isn't a bug
10:11:43AlexPIf there is going to be a discussion about where to put stuff it should be on the mailing list
10:12:27wodzwhy - it is good starting point if someone puts patch there
10:12:41wodzI may do this actually
10:12:41AlexPThey can open it a patch then
10:12:52AlexPThis isn't a bug - it is a feature request
10:12:58AlexPSame as his other two actually
10:13:02AlexPNone of them are bugs
10:13:17wodzHe *thinks* it is a bug
10:13:23n1syes, this is the intended behaviour, he just doesn't like it
10:14:23AlexPwodz: And he is wrong
10:14:34AlexPI think it is a bug that Rockbox doesn't make me cups of tea
10:14:40AlexPThat doesn't mean it is one
10:15:24wodzI don't mind closing this FS but closing message should be quite descriptive
10:15:57AlexPyes, they are being so
10:16:04AlexP(I've already closed the other two)
10:16:25AlexPah, gevaerts already got to −−-86
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10:36:55CIA-7New commit by wodz (r28715): Add HD300 button defines for system_exception_wait()
10:39:06CIA-7r28715 build result: All green
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11:19:54Rob2223Since I changed from 4GB to 16GB microSD in my FuzeV2, Rockbox has problems recognizing the card. OF has no problems at all. Are there any issues known?
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11:21:36marinesRob2223, there was a guy few days ago having the same issue
11:22:03Rob2223ok then im at least not alone.
11:22:32Rob2223When its recognized, it works without problems. But I have fiddle around much and I didnt knew yet, what it makes to recognize the card.
11:23:07marinesthe guy didn't manage card to work at all
11:23:18Rob2223but reinserting the sd card 50 times each boot ist not good, too, i assume.
11:23:29Rob2223i got it working, 2 times
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11:23:36Rob2223mich reboots and reinserts
11:23:44Rob2223anywhen it works
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11:23:55Rob2223maybe a timing issue or ssomething
11:24:01n1scould be a timing thing in the init
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11:24:23n1sRob2223: once it works it keeps working untill you reboot?
11:24:25Rob2223yeah, i have a feeling in that problem direction
11:24:35Rob2223yeah n1s
11:24:47Rob2223once it worked, i had no problem until reboot
11:25:05Rob2223its a sandisk 16gb class4
11:25:17Rob2223sooner i had sandisk 4gb class dontknow
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11:26:54n1sRob2223: if you can compile your own build maybe someone can point you to the things to play with
11:28:07Rob2223well, yes, maybe. i have really few time atm. and no build env. set up
11:28:29Rob2223i just wanted to report it any maybe give some information
11:29:11Rob2223but test a ready beta build i can do without problem... if anywhen someone is working on it, he can PM me
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11:30:36casainhoI am looking to start porting Rockbox for a new target
11:30:49casainhowhat version should I use, the latest stable version 3.7.1?
11:31:14n1scasainho: working with the trunk is probably best
11:31:40casainhon1s: why?
11:32:14casainhon1s: last time I did that, I just saw many changes while I were trying to make the patches...
11:32:28n1sbecause the 3.7 branch is a release branch that will continue diverging from trunk so if you port it, merging your port with thrunk will be more work
11:33:15n1swell, as i see it you can either stick to a rev and work on that and merge it all when you have something that works or keep up to date
11:33:33casainhobut that also means I will need to keep updated with all changes done on trunk, daily basis? isn't that more work to me?
11:33:55casainhon1s: ah, ok
11:33:57n1syou don't have to, you can stick to say a revision from today
11:34:24casainhoI will then ask to other developer what he thinks about this
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11:35:24wodzwhen I ported rb to MPIOs I pulled changes from trunk to my local branch regularly
11:35:44wodzwith git this is fairly painless
11:38:16wodzhow can I define variable inside a function that will not be put on stack?
11:38:26n1swodz: static
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11:44:06*TheSeven just read a sector using DMA \o/
11:44:23TheSeven(but for some reason i am *not* getting a completion interrupt!)
11:45:10n1sTheSeven: congratulations!
11:45:44TheSeveneverything failed as usual (DMA completion timeout), but when I looked at the buffer, the data was there :)
11:49:15rasherThis is Classic1G?
11:49:28wodzHa, got i2c on coldfire working using generic i2c framework. Now I have to clean this up a bit and post for review
11:49:36rasherWhat is the status? hasn't been updated for quite a while
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12:06:48TheSevenrasher: yes, it's the classic1g, and the work appears to be applicable to all of the classics :)
12:07:06*TheSeven spots big trouble ahead :/
12:07:42TheSevengevaerts: this time, we'll really open the can of worms...
12:08:38TheSevenhow does this ipod video virtual sector emulation thing work?
12:09:26*gevaerts recommends asking amiconn
12:09:29TheSeventhis time we have a disk that internally has 4096-byte sectors, exposes 512-byte sector via ATA but only accepts 8-sector-aligned requests, and the OF exposes it as a 4096-byte device via USB :/
12:09:45Tornethat should just work, i fyou set MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE to 4096
12:10:10Tornedoes it really only accept aligned requests? that sucks.
12:10:10TheSevendidn't the ipod video expose 512-byte sectors over USB?
12:10:19Torneipod video uses 2048 byte sectors over USB
12:10:26Torneeven though the sector size is 1024
12:10:30Tornethere's a seperate define for that
12:10:37Torneanything at least as big as the physical sector size should work
12:10:38TheSevenok... hm, so some kind of variable sector size framework is already in place?
12:10:47TorneMAX_LOGICAL_SECTOR_SIZE? something like that
12:11:05Torneyou just need to find the right knobs to poke, in theory, anyway.
12:11:22TorneOh, er, also you should check that my probing code for physical sectors doesn't hang the disk
12:11:34TheSeventhe disk is really weird
12:11:38Torneon devices with >512 byte sector support ata init tries to read sector 1 to check if it fails
12:11:58Torneand if it doesn't, it assumes the disk is doing the emulation and just treats it as 512 byte sectors
12:12:05Torne(this makes upgraded ipod videos work properly)
12:12:33TheSevenif you do misaligned accesses, the access will succeed but the data you'll read will be the IDENTIFY data repeated over and over :/
12:12:42Torneok that's a problem then
12:12:52Tornethe ipod video disk with 1k sectors just returns an error
12:13:07Tornewhich the ATA init code detects and uses as the trigger to enable emulation
12:13:14TheSevenhm there should be ways to detect this crap :)
12:13:25TorneWhy? The ATA spec requires that disks emulate it :)
12:13:30Tornethere's no need for a way to detect it ;)
12:13:46Torne(ok, technically emulation for writes is optional, but emulation for reads is mandatory)
12:13:52TheSeveni meant we'll be able to catch those nasty misbehaving disks somehow
12:13:54Torne(so these disks which don't do it are not ATA drives)
12:14:20Tornewell, yeah. at the moment rockbox is assuming it can detect them by reading sector 1 and seeing if there's an error.
12:14:26Torneif that doesn't work you'll have t ocome up with something better.
12:14:50Tornebut that heuristic works perfectly for the current ipod video drive, and for all the replacement drives people use which ahave 4096 byte sectors but *do* emulate accesses correctly
12:15:46wodzwhat a lovely mess :-)
12:16:29TheSevenso did I understand correctly that the ipod video will always emulate 2048 byte sectors to the file system, no matter what the actual physical/logical/actually accessible sector size of the disk is?
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12:17:42gevaertsIt's not that simple
12:18:46gevaertsAt the partition and filesystem level, it tries to find a FAT filesystem at the offset specified in the MBR, assuming different sector sizes in turn
12:19:16gevaertsAnd then the resulting sector size is used by the USB code
12:19:18TheSevenurgh. and that then affects the USB sector size?
12:19:37Torneitunes formats with 2048 byte sectors, so that's what it ends up being in practise
12:19:45gevaertsAgain, if you can think of a better way that handles all cases, feel free to suggest it :)
12:19:51TheSevenso the sector sizes of the disk don't matter at all, it's just how it is formatted?
12:19:55Torneand that works regardless of physical sector size, unless the drive has 4096 byte sectors and no emulation
12:20:07TorneTheSeven: It just dies if the physical sector size is bigger, pretty much, i think?
12:20:25Tornebut it ignores the physical sector size if the drive can emulate.
12:20:33*TheSeven wonders if he should drop dualboot to get rid of all this mess :)
12:23:37TheSevenis ATA hardwired to 512 sectors?
12:24:01TheSeveni.e. if I request one sector from the disk, will that always be 512 bytes?
12:24:18TheSevenor rather if I request 8 sectors will that always be 4096 bytes, no matter what the actual sector size of the drive is?
12:25:17TheSevendamn, my ipod usb cable is falling apart
12:25:37TorneYes, ATA is hardwired to 512 bytes
12:25:53TorneThe logical sector size of the ATA connection is always 512
12:26:15Torneso yeah. you ask for 8 sectors and you get a 4096 byte transfer
12:26:24Torneor an error, if the drive's decided it can't emulate an unaligned access.
12:26:35Torneor weird behaviour, if the drive is dumb :)
12:27:32CIA-7New commit by nls (r28716): codeclib: inline assembler for fft4 and fft8 on coldfire, small 0.2-0.3MHz speedup with gcc 3.4, larger 0.6-0.8MHz speedup with gcc 4.4/4.5
12:28:12n1salso, that saved about 1k of iram
12:29:56CIA-7r28716 build result: All green
12:31:57TheSevenhm, transfers in PDMA mode lose their first word :/
12:35:50TheSevenoh, wait
12:35:59TheSeventhey're swapping pairs of words o.0
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12:44:19wodzmpio and archoses swaps bytes in ATA word :-)
12:45:16wodz <- this is proof of concept for the i2c unification.
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13:14:02TheSevenhm, the drive asserts ERR (status reg: 0x51) if I try to do a WRITE MULTIPLE command (0xC3)
13:14:15TheSevenREAD MULTIPLE (C4) with the same parameters works just fine...
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13:14:36TheSevenWRITE DMA with the same parameters also works
13:18:51peturwodz: please watch what you are doing, some of the targets are critical to timing... if interrupts are disabled around the i2c code, it is a clue ;)
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13:19:03peturat least the ones where bitbanging is done
13:21:21TheSevenpetur: if I2C is critical to timing (apart from being too fast, of course), that points towards a bug
13:22:50peturif you are bitbanging, timing is critical.... nothing to do with a bug
13:23:26peturJust recalling problems from a few years ago
13:24:13TheSevenadding delays may never hurt with i2c
13:24:33TheSevenwell, as long as you aren't getting that terribly slow that things start to time out
13:25:17peturone some there are delays that should not be removed or things stop working... blame the hardware...
13:25:34peturjust saying: watch out when changing something that isn't broken
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13:31:38wodzpetur: I am not touching lowlevel stuff - you are free to do whatever you like in i2c_hw_read i2c_hw_write
13:34:11wodzand last but not least - I am not changing anything - I just propose proof of concept
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15:15:48TheSevenwhy would a drive reject a PIO write access before the data transfer even starts?
15:16:06TheSevensector number = 0, sector count = 8, the same parameters work both for DMA writes and PIO reads
15:16:26Torneare you using WRITE MULTIPLE?
15:16:37Torneif so, did you set the multisector count already?
15:16:47TheSevenread multiple works just fine
15:16:53TheSevenmultisector count is 16
15:17:33Tornedoes it just go ABRT?
15:18:15TheSevenwhen i first read the status register, it's BSY RDY, and when I read the next time it's RDY ERR
15:19:03Torneright, but what's the error register?
15:19:19TheSevenhow do i read that?
15:20:01Torneshared with the feature register
15:20:14TheSevenah, right
15:20:16TheSevenlet me check
15:20:18Tornesame as command/status
15:20:25TorneERR being set means there is something to read in the error reg
15:21:27wodzdo I read correctly that Wakeup alarm setting is the offset from the current time to power on player?
15:22:13TheSevenhm, 0x04, whatever that means
15:23:09Tornewhich unfortunately pretty much means "it didn't work"
15:23:42Tornethe other bits in the error register are command dependent but they're all off anyway so that's uninteresting
15:23:53TheSevenany idea what i could try?
15:23:56Tornetry WRITE SECTORS instead?
15:24:35Tornealso, try writing somewhere else..
15:24:45Torneit *shouldn't* make any difference, but you know.. ;)
15:25:35TheSevensame behavior both for 1 and 16 sectors
15:25:39TheSevenlet's try a different sector number
15:26:26TheSevenwriting 8 sectors at sector 8 => same problem
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15:27:13TheLemonManwhos working on .sb files ?
15:28:33TheSevenWRITE SECTORS fails during the transfer, which is to be expected
15:28:47TheSevenso this drive just doesn't like write multiple?
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15:30:06Torneit's possible i guess..
15:30:17Tornesuggests weirdness, tho
15:30:37TheSevenwell, there are more weird things with that drive, so why not
15:30:38Torneif it claims to support 16 sector multiple and it works for read, it would be *very* odd for write multiple not to work
15:31:21TheSevenapple actually seems to not use write multiple at all
15:31:32TheSevenand they're not using PDMA either, at least not in disk mode
15:31:57tmzt_g2rootthey don't write very much though
15:31:59TheSevenit's also doing those word swaps, so it won't be of much use anyway
15:32:06TheSeventhey don't do read multiple either
15:32:13tmzt_g2rootnot in the diskmode firmware either?
15:32:21TheSeventhey use read dma, if available, and if lba48 is not required
15:32:26TorneI can understand not doing DMA if the bus is swapped
15:32:33TheSevensectors >28bits will always be done with PIO
15:32:38Torne..wait, they don't use DMA if it's lba48?
15:32:45Tornedo they not know what READ DMA EXT does? :)
15:32:49TheSevenheh, UDMA works, just PDMA doesn't :/
15:33:13Tornethis sounds crazy broken
15:33:32TheSeven(PDMA being PIO request to the drive being handled by an AHB master in the core, using the same software interface as for UDMA)
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15:41:59TheSevenhm, what do the "total number of sectors" words (60-61) in the identify response contain if the drive has >2^32 sectors btw?
15:42:16Tornei think
15:42:56TheSevenah, right, there's an lba48 variant of that field further down (words 100-103)
15:43:04Torneoh, no
15:43:22Tornei.e. lba28 max sector
15:44:26TheSevennow why on earth has the LBA48 feature set sector count field 64 bits? :P
15:45:24Tornebecause everything in ATA is in 16-bit words
15:45:45*Torne is dumb
15:45:59Tornei guess they thought it was neater
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15:58:00mordocai_workHello, I installed rockbox using the automated install on Debian x86_64, to my sansa clip+. I now am getting errors during operation(mainly seems to happen when creating dynamic playlists) like this: I am also getting occaisional lock ups where all operation ceases and i must turn off the player and reboot it. Any ideas as to whether this is a software or hardware issue? Or could it even b
15:58:33TheSevenmordocai_work: your message was to long and clipped off at the end
15:58:52mordocai_workTheSeven: Oh, okay. It didn't appear to here. Where did it clip off?
15:59:06TheSeven[...] software or hardware issue? Or could it even b
15:59:20mordocai_workOr could it even be a filesystem issue? was the last part
15:59:45TheSevenTorne: \o/ With single sector PIO and multisector DMA transfers it works :)
16:00:14TheSevenmordocai_work: It can in theory be anything, but it's probably just a bug somewhere
16:00:22TheSevenis that with the current build or 3.7/3.7.1?
16:01:05mordocai_workWell, i meant to install the current build... but it looks like I somehow got 3.7.1 on accident.
16:01:11mordocai_workSo that's probably what it is :P
16:01:17TheSevendoes it happen somewhat reproducibly? always the same address in the panic message?
16:01:22pixelmachecking for file system errors won't hurt I guess
16:02:00TheSevendo we have map files for release builds?
16:02:08wodzwe should
16:02:12TheSevenbut where?
16:02:35mordocai_workTheSeven: I didn't write down the error message the other times, so I'll have to check whether or not the address is the same.
16:04:06mordocai_workThere we go, managed to get it to crash again. Same exact error. Happens semi-often when adding more songs to the dynamic playlist.
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16:04:29mordocai_work(same exact = same address and everything)
16:04:36TheSevencould it be related to some particular song?
16:05:33mordocai_workNo. I've been using different songs each time. (That was my first thought to, that I had a bad song)
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16:07:40mordocai_workIt happens during the Loading... screen after you hit the menu option to insert into the playlist.
16:10:47mordocai_workIn any case, it only happens when I append a new song to the end of an existing dynamic playlist. It doesn't happenwhen you put the first songs in.
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16:13:28TheSevengevaerts: is there some reasonable documentation on what the ata_sleep, ata_sleepnow, ata_spin and ata_enable functions should do?
16:13:53gevaertsTheSeven: you seem to have this weird idea that I know anything about ata...
16:14:08TheSevenyou said you know something about the storage layer :)
16:14:19TheSevenand this is the interface the storage layer uses
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16:15:43TheSeventhey are directly mapped to the storage_whatever equivalents
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16:18:24gevaertsata_spin() is to ask the drive to keep spinning I think. ata_enable() enables or disables the entire thin (but I actually think that's only needed for hardware USB/ATA bridges), I'm not sure about sleep and sleepnow
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16:20:49gevaertsAh, I think ata_sleepnow() forces the disk to go to sleep (spindown presumably), whoile ata_sleep() advises the system that the disk likely isn't needed soon
16:21:15gevaertsBut aren't most of those already handled in drivers/ata.c?
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17:00:49saratogathis theme says it works with the current build, but it does not
17:01:02saratogawhy does wps checking on the theme site no longer seem to work?
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17:03:04pixelmaI already noticed a mismatch between what the themesite reports on their overview page and the details (at least for some targets). It could be that checkwps is broken
17:05:14pamauryTheLemonMan: for the fuze+ ? I'm working on the the tool to extract firmware from .sb files
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17:05:34TheLemonManit worked perfectly for my samsung yp-q2 bootloader too :)
17:06:06TheLemonManit has a zeroed key too
17:06:51saratogadoes that player have a recovery mode?
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17:07:29TheLemonManyeah, havent figured out the protocol tho
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17:07:45TheLemonManbut now that i have the plain bootloader i can analyze it properly
17:08:53pamauryI'm still finishing the tool, I would like to produce an elf file out of it, to make the analysis easier, since a .sb file can load things everywhere in the memory. But still it should work with any STMP3{6,7}xxx sb file
17:09:19Biontwhen compiling for android: how do I set the SDK and NDK paths again? I forgot the command :/
17:10:19TheLemonManif you dont mind i can add this :)
17:10:38tmzt_g2rootBiont: you can do that?
17:10:42TheLemonMani was just about creating an elf maker cause objdump doesnt like raw blobs
17:10:54tmzt_g2rootBiont: sorry, forgot what channel I'm in again
17:11:29Bionttmzt_g2root: well, I succeeded at least once :)
17:11:47tmzt_g2rootI havent' build rockbox on android yet
17:12:48pamauryTheLemonMan: I have the code, I don't know if it's really helpful, I'll commit in a minute
17:12:48AlexPBiont: It is on the wiki page
17:13:00pamauryBut I'm not sure it's the right way to create elf files :)
17:13:28tmzt_g2rootpamaury: can't objcopy work with raw binary?
17:13:57pamauryI think objdump/objcopy can all work with raw binary
17:14:17pamaurybut writing an elf writer is quite simple given the simple use
17:14:35TheLemonManorly? i had problems back in the days with objdump and raw stuff
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17:15:08pamauryI think you need something like -b raw or -b binary
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17:15:34pamauryI tried it for very simple disassembly and it works well
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17:17:11BiontAlexP: It tells me to make the variables point to the respective directories, but I don't know how to do that
17:17:14CIA-7New commit by pamaury (r28717): sbinfo: first try at creating an elf file out of the .sb mess
17:17:15TheLemonMani cant get IDA to load in wine without getting cpu usage to 200% D:
17:17:45pamauryI never managed to make it work in wine, font problems usually
17:18:16TheLemonMani had it working on mah eeepc, now i switched to the other lappy and wont install
17:18:29AlexPBiont: :)
17:18:41TheLemonManbrb, need to reboot
17:18:42pamauryTheLemonMan: feel free to test my elf writer in sbinfo now that it is committed
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17:19:15CIA-7r28717 build result: All green
17:20:17AlexPBiont: Short answer (although it is worth reading about) "export VARIABLE=WHATEVER"
17:22:49BiontAlexP: alright, thank you very much.
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17:25:33TheLemonManpamaury: i get 3 elf files :| thats bad as theres only a section in the .sb file
17:25:37Biontnow my mouse stopped working for some reason... restarting the VM, see you (and thanks again)
17:26:04pamauryTheLemonMan: that's normal
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17:26:33pamaurya .sb section can hold an arbitrary number of executable files; it's a list of command: LOAD, FILL, CALL
17:27:07pamaurymy current scheme is to group commands sequentially in blocks of LOADs,FILLs,CALL because an elf file can have only one entry point
17:27:55TheLemonManoh, ive misunderstood the meaning of section then
17:28:27pamauryyes, a section is just a logical group. You could even imagine that the different elf files overlap in memory !
17:29:32TheLemonManwhat a terrible mess :|
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17:31:36pamauryI'm puzzled, I just feed ida with one of my produced elf file and it doesn't like it :(
17:33:52TheLemonManive just done a strings over the blob, there is alot of nice stuff :D
17:35:08TheLemonManmmh cool, seems like the recovery mode is terminal-based
17:36:19TheLemonManDawit2.0 NAND Bootloader
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17:54:37BiontNow I'm getting another error .... it says it can't create "rockbox/firmware/export/mas.h" needed by "rockbox/build/apps/recorder/peakmeter.o"
17:55:13TheLemonManthe hid recovery interface is provided by the .sb bootloader or is burned in-rom ?
17:57:09pamaury_hid ?
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17:57:48TheLemonManyeah, sigmatel exposes the ROM RECOVERY usb interface of hid type with just one IN endpoint
17:58:25pamaurya IN endpoint for recovery is rather strange
17:58:45pamaurywhat would be the use of such a mode ?
17:58:59TheLemonManheh that was my question too
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18:24:08pixelmaBiont: mas.h shouldn't be needed for Android builds (I only skimmed backlogs though, I really hope that it is what you want to do). Sounds a bit like you configured for something else
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18:25:10pixelmaor something is up with your build directory
18:25:16BiontHm... :/ Well I have absolutely no idea what could have gone wrong then. everything looked okay until that point
18:25:29BiontMaybe I'll start over completely and see what happens^
18:29:33Biontlooks good so far
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18:51:45LambdaCalculus37Has anyone tried FS #7505 as of late?
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19:12:10LambdaCalculus37Guess I answered my own question; FS #7505 craps out on recent SVN:
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19:14:01bertrikSo, fix it! :)
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19:20:21LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Bit beyond my powers here. ;)
19:21:29CIA-7r28718 build result: All green
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19:24:21LambdaCalculus37bertrik: A lot of the errors relate to really low-level stuff, including writing, and I haven't sacrificed enough chickens and goats yet to get to that level.
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19:25:26LambdaCalculus37Errors occurs in the functions 'FlashReset', 'SetupFastWrite', 'ExitFastWrite', and 'FProgramWord'.
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19:40:58n1slambda, there are only 2 errors in that, probably related to the changes in plugin headers et and should be easy to fix
19:45:40n1syeah, deleting the PLUGIN_HEADER line makes it build, still some unrelated warnings though
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19:47:57n1sa s/inline/static inline/g fixes all but the signed/unsigned warning too
19:47:58BenMacNastyhey guys somebody could help me with a noob problem?
19:48:11n1sBenMacNasty: maybe, if you tell us what it is
19:48:41BenMacNastytoday i purchased a sansa clip +
19:48:55BenMacNastyi installed rockbox via rockboxutility
19:49:05BenMacNastyit's also working on my sansa
19:49:21BenMacNastyhowever my laptop doesn't detect anymore my player
19:49:30BenMacNastyi'm using windows 7 64bit
19:49:48BenMacNastydidn't find anything on the faqs
19:49:53n1siirc, you need to manually reboot to the Original Firmware to use usb
19:49:53BenMacNastyor google research
19:50:33BenMacNastyaha ok is that explained somewhere how to do or could you explain it to me very quickly?
19:50:46BenMacNastyi don't want to bother users with the same questions again and again
19:51:38n1sselecting which firmware to boot should be described in the manual, i don't know how you do it on that player but it's usually holding a button while it boots
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19:52:31pixelmaalthough the second paragraph isn't true for the Clip+
19:53:03BenMacNastyok ty very much
19:53:23pixelmabecause it got people into trouble (hanging player where you only could get out waiting for the battery to run down)
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20:02:46pamauryI have started analyzing the fuze+ firmware. If people also plan to do so, please note that I started with the ___ section (first generated elf file from sbinfo)
20:03:01pamaury(to avoid duplicate work :))
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20:17:51TheLemonManpamaury: are you using IDA ?
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20:31:31*TheSeven got the wheel working :)
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20:40:23TheSevenwho wants to start the rockbox port?
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20:43:46saratogagetting closer on this stupid libmad filterbank
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20:44:24Miloszhey guys
20:44:32MiloszI just installed rockbox on my sansa e250
20:44:36Miloszit's awesome!
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20:57:27DreamxtremeTheSeven im on it !
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21:07:26Buscheln1s/saratoga: if you fnd time I would be interested in a test_codec run for aac_he, a52 and wmapro on your CF and arm11 targets with this patch ->
21:08:02n1sBuschel: ok, i can probably do it tomorrow
21:08:24Buschelperfect, just post the results here. IÄll read the logs
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21:16:27saratogalooking at those changes you'll probably save a MHz or so on the gigabeat, and a little more on Android, with no improvement on arm9
21:17:35Buschelyes, the nano 2g (arm9) does not (or only minor) change
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21:19:30saratogai can't remember how much progress you made on SBR over the summer, does it now use the codeclib fft functions? (IIRC this was supposed to be possible)
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21:20:29Buschelyes, sbr uses it in dct4_kernel() within sbr_dct.c
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21:21:19saratogathose various filterbank loops could be a lot faster on armv5e, much like atrac
21:21:58saratogabut i'm not sure its worth the effort for HE :)
21:22:14Buschelexactly. and this code is a mess :(
21:22:27Buschelit's not much fun working on it
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21:22:56Buscheleven much worse than libmad ;)
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21:24:03BenMacNastyhey guys after installing successfully rockbox on my sansa clip + and putting files on it, i can see now the album name but there are no songs in it
21:24:34BenMacNastywhen i try to play them with official sansa firmware the mp3 player freezes
21:24:46saratogayou changed the view file type settings to something weird probably
21:24:52saratogano idea about the OF
21:25:30BenMacNastydon't remember about having changed something at all
21:26:00BenMacNastyi just installed rockbox and copied some songs on it just to try if it works
21:26:17BenMacNastyso i haven't anything at all (yet)
21:27:10saratogaif you're sure thats not worth checking, then describe your problem in more detail and maybe someone else will think of something
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21:28:17BenMacNastysry i'm checking right now
21:28:31BenMacNastyneed some time to get used to find everything
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21:30:09BenMacNastywill change language from german to english maybe that helps
21:30:35saratogathat'll make it be in english but not much else
21:31:25pixelmait might help finding things if one speaks about the english menu option her
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21:31:54plz-help-me7is there anyone who can tell me how to alter rockbox' bootloader
21:32:23plz-help-me7so i can make it load apple firmware normally, and load rockbox when the hold switch is on?
21:33:26saratoga(vaguely since this is from memory) grab the source, edit the ipod file in the bootloaders/ folder, and then flip the order of the if block that determines if you get the OF or RB, then compile and flash a new bootloader
21:33:39saratogathis should be perfectly safe on the ipod since you can restore in itunes if you screw up
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21:38:50BenMacNastyi'm in the file view options now
21:39:00BenMacNastythat took me some time
21:40:06BenMacNastywhat should i change?
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21:40:39BenMacNastyi changed "show files" to all maybe that was it i'm checking
21:42:57BenMacNastythat was it
21:43:41BenMacNastyoh oh what's this.... i see the files now but they are not playable??
21:43:47BenMacNastyit's mp3
21:44:24saratogabe specific if you have a problem
21:47:37pixelmahow did you copy them to the player, what kinds of tags do they have (ID3 or something else), how many files are affected, are they on a microSD or on the internal memory etc.
21:50:24BenMacNastyi dragged and dropped them after having connected the mp3 to the laptop
21:50:33BenMacNastyi put them in the folder "music"
21:51:47saratogakeep going
21:52:29BenMacNastythey don't contain any id tags
21:53:12BenMacNastyif you need any more information i'm willing to give them to you
21:53:34BenMacNastyi'm just new to that stuff ( i own my sansa for 8 hours)
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21:54:42BenMacNastyi will try with another music files maybe they are just corrupted somehow...
21:54:48saratogawhat happens when you try to play one
21:55:08BenMacNastythe mp3 switched to the play mode for like a second
21:56:18BenMacNastyand then it turns back
21:56:44BenMacNastyto the folder with all the files
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22:00:16BenMacNastyi'm really sorry i was a little bit distracted trying to cook and work this out didn't go out very well
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22:02:52BenMacNastyit had something to do with the songs although i don't know what the problem was...
22:03:31BenMacNastyi loaded now one song into the folder "music" with id tags 320kbit mp3 and it got recognized without problem
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22:08:44BenMacNastythx for your time
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22:18:30amiconnTheSeven: Did you check whether the disk sets IDNF on partial read? That's what the MK8011GAH does
22:19:39TheSevennope, didn't know about the error register back then :)
22:19:43amiconnApple seems to like those specs-violating drives :(
22:19:47TheSevenonce i get my ipod fixed, i might have a look
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