| 00:00:08 | amee2k | stable sucks balls because almost everything is liek 2 years old :/ |
| 00:00:35 | amee2k | sorry in case cursing is not allowed here, but when i'm drunk i'm more honest than polite |
| 00:01:11 | kugel | I know what you mean :) |
| 00:02:07 | amee2k | testing is a lot better in that regard but its still a bit weee to me because i had issues with it on several occasions before |
| 00:02:33 | amee2k | awkward stuff and then i had third party stuff installed that |
| 00:02:51 | amee2k | #debian didn't like hearing about -> support issues |
| 00:04:32 | amee2k | they used to be pretty tight even about backports or deb-multimedia repos until a year ago or so |
| 00:04:41 | amee2k | anyway, this is not #debian ;) |
| 00:05:53 | amee2k | taking a look aaround what i could use for the future bootloader/HAL linux system i kinda came up empty except for a heavily modified LFS system, really |
| 00:07:04 | amee2k | i like the idea especially since i could probably learn a lot from building a system from ground up |
| 00:07:22 | Torne | that won't be particularly small |
| 00:07:27 | Torne | LFS is not for embedded |
| 00:07:45 | Torne | just use openembedded to build something |
| 00:07:52 | Torne | or buildroot |
| 00:08:07 | amee2k | i hope that after building a couple regular LFS systems i'll have enough exp to substitute embedded variants for lots of stuff |
| 00:08:07 | Torne | you pretty much only need busybox and whatever libsdl depends on |
| 00:08:15 | amee2k | like busybox or klibc |
| 00:08:23 | Torne | er, but there's not really any connection there |
| 00:08:32 | Torne | busybox replaces *everything* |
| 00:08:44 | Torne | and klibc is not for that at all |
| 00:08:52 | Torne | (uclibc is the usual embedded libc) |
| 00:08:59 | amee2k | and write a script that'll strip all the sources and dev tools from the tree to create the firmware image |
| 00:09:10 | JdGordon| | Torne: hardly *everything* |
| 00:09:19 | Torne | JdGordon|: everything in a base system |
| 00:09:24 | Torne | other than libc |
| 00:09:42 | Torne | amee2k: why would you want to do all that, though? |
| 00:09:57 | Torne | this is all already done for you |
| 00:09:58 | amee2k | "all that" ? |
| 00:10:02 | amee2k | being using LFS? |
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| 00:10:19 | Torne | you don't need to strip sources and dev tools from a tree, just build into a different tree to start with |
| 00:10:27 | Torne | embedded systems do not need to be selfhosting |
| 00:10:37 | Torne | and all this build work has already been done several times |
| 00:10:49 | Torne | openembedded, buildroot, and the other system slike that already do it all for you |
| 00:10:50 | amee2k | hm. |
| 00:11:03 | amee2k | i still feel like at least doing it once myself |
| 00:11:06 | Torne | learning how to make your own embedded distro from scratch properly will take weeks/months |
| 00:11:10 | JdGordon| | this is hardly #rockbox talk... |
| 00:11:18 | Torne | unless you have a huge amount of free time. |
| 00:11:28 | Torne | JdGordon|: the point is to host the sdl app, so kinda |
| 00:11:32 | amee2k | i'm a student, so yes :) |
| 00:11:50 | amee2k | i've been sticking to binary distros for by far the most part so far |
| 00:12:05 | amee2k | so i feel could learn a lot from it |
| 00:12:12 | Torne | no, you won't really |
| 00:12:19 | kugel | :p |
| 00:12:23 | Torne | LFS teaches you nothing useful or interesting |
| 00:12:28 | amee2k | why not? its something i've never done before |
| 00:12:41 | Torne | it's just following directions; you might as well use the automated shell script that does it for you |
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| 00:13:01 | amee2k | not really |
| 00:13:10 | Torne | yes, really |
| 00:13:20 | Torne | and whatever you learn to do for yourself is virtually certain to turn out worse than what OE could've built for you in ten minutes of effort |
| 00:13:26 | amee2k | if a script does it for you, you don't care what it does. you just let it do its thing |
| 00:13:43 | Torne | if you follow precise instructions givent o you by the internet then you don't care what they do, you just let them do their thing |
| 00:13:46 | Torne | you just spend more time copying and pasting. |
| 00:14:01 | amee2k | thats kinda why gentoo left me with a vaguely disappointed feeling afterwards |
| 00:14:26 | saratoga | boosting on arm9e and arm11 seems to make our MDCT codecs a lot slower, while formats like MP3 don't seem to care much |
| 00:14:32 | Torne | LFS does not grant *any* more understanding than gentoo |
| 00:14:36 | saratoga | i wonder if our MDCT's ugly memory access partterns are the cause of that |
| 00:14:43 | amee2k | its not about being efficient or anything... its about having had to actually think about every step |
| 00:14:53 | * | Torne gives up. |
| 00:15:02 | amee2k | hehe |
| 00:15:23 | Torne | you're insisting on creating work for yourself to get a worse result, so whatever. |
| 00:15:38 | amee2k | don't worry, its proably me arguing a point that i don't understand myself yet |
| 00:15:59 | amee2k | but i won't know whether it has a point or not until i've tried |
| 00:16:19 | Torne | no, see, there is a fantastic way of discovering that without having to try; it's called "Listening to other people who have done the exact same thing before" |
| 00:16:36 | amee2k | hehe yeah :) |
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| 00:16:52 | Torne | i'm anb embedded linux developer, amongst a million other things. i have built every kind of thing you can think of. i have done pretty much exactly waht you want to do here before, using several different automatic tools and manually. |
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| 00:17:49 | amee2k | :) |
| 00:18:28 | amee2k | and if i didn't do it myself at least once, i'll always feel weeee about leting a tool do it for me |
| 00:18:46 | amee2k | or at least, thats the way i feel about it right now |
| 00:19:19 | amee2k | because i think thats the experience i got from when i tried gentoo last time |
| 00:19:41 | Torne | srsly. you learn *nothing* by typing the stuff out yourself. |
| 00:19:53 | Torne | if you want to learn how an embedded system goes together, *write one*. |
| 00:20:08 | Torne | you won't learn anything particularly interesting or useful by using someone else's kit |
| 00:20:32 | Torne | doing LFS is exactly the same as running a shell script, and is equally adaptable to change (i.e. not at all) |
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| 00:20:54 | amee2k | its not the typing, really... hmmm not sure how to say it... its because i have no idea what really happens inside the script |
| 00:21:05 | Torne | you won't have any idea what really happens following instructions either |
| 00:21:28 | amee2k | well, more idea at least than just running the script |
| 00:21:41 | Torne | no, why do you assume that? |
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| 00:22:07 | Torne | a large proportion of this process is working around specific bugs/issues in certain versions of various tools |
| 00:22:07 | amee2k | i already ran a script when i did gentoo last time. and felt it was lacking |
| 00:22:17 | * | krazykit thinks Torne and amee2k should take this to #rockbox-community |
| 00:22:31 | JdGordon| | no.... not -commuinty.... but not here either |
| 00:22:34 | amee2k | now i want to do it myself... worst case i'll have wasted a couple sleeples nights |
| 00:22:50 | kugel | JdGordon|: that makes no sense |
| 00:23:06 | JdGordon| | they are tehe only 2 channels on freenode are they? |
| 00:23:34 | kugel | no, but everything that doesn't fit here fits -community (and the vice versa) |
| 00:24:01 | * | JdGordon| disagrees |
| 00:24:28 | amee2k | o.O |
| 00:24:44 | * | amee2k feels like he just stumbled into a lecture about set theory |
| 00:25:36 | amee2k | well, technically it would kinda fit in #lfs if that exists :P |
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| 00:41:09 | kugel | amee2k: I suggest you try other SDL based apps, to make sure SDL isn't the problem |
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| 03:02:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | AlexP, soap, GodEater: louXl658hu... banhammer, por favor. |
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| 03:08:53 | soap | hmm |
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| 03:09:31 | soap | one of my 14 day test subnet bans SHOULD have caught that one. |
| 03:10:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | soap: They're still slipping in under the radar, it seems. |
| 03:10:46 | soap | Could one of the actual forum Admins (zagor / scorche) look at louX1658hu and my two IP bans covering him? He should have not been able to log an account as I understand the system. |
| 03:11:11 | JdGordon| | should we add some more admins to deal with this? |
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| 03:11:43 | soap | search the ban triggers by IP, and "14 day experiment #2" should have caught him. |
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| 03:28:32 | [Saint] | where would I want to start looking if I was thinking about an auto "soft-hold"? (probably going to add hold as a hotkey because of cramped ipod keymap) |
| 03:29:11 | [Saint] | I just don't want to remember to switch hold on every time (I know that sounds really lazy) |
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| 03:47:12 | [AndreR] | hi all, I'm trying to write to a file in my plugin, and it seems I can make new files in the root of the simdisk, but not in a subfolder |
| 03:47:42 | [AndreR] | rb->open("/file.txt", O_CREAT|O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC, 0666); works |
| 03:48:01 | [AndreR] | rb->open("/folder/file.txt", O_CREAT|O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC, 0666); fails |
| 03:48:08 | [AndreR] | no error or anything, just no new file |
| 03:48:28 | [AndreR] | and I own the "folder" for unix permissions so I don't think that's it.. any ideas? |
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| 03:50:52 | saratoga | scorche: airblue124 ban please |
| 03:52:35 | soap | saratoga, done |
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| 03:53:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | soap: wushipi0Lzg too. |
| 03:53:30 | soap | holy shit |
| 03:54:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | soap: Can't we just delete the accounts of these spammers? |
| 03:54:39 | soap | won't do anything. |
| 03:54:50 | soap | ban = perm delete |
| 03:55:20 | soap | airblue's from a whole new IP range |
| 03:56:41 | * | LambdaCalculus37 hands soap the bigger banhammer |
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| 04:01:59 | scorche | JdGordon|: i just added akismet today, so hopefully the amount of spam can be cut down a bit... |
| 04:02:10 | soap | wow, the list of users awaiting activation is full of spam accounts. |
| 04:02:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | soap: Can you prevent those accounts from being activated? |
| 04:03:13 | soap | LambdaCalculus37, doing so. |
| 04:03:29 | scorche | soap: can you see "akismet configuration" under "forum" in the admin thing? |
| 04:03:42 | scorche | it provides a handy one-click solution for spam it detects |
| 04:04:06 | soap | yea, scorche, but it doesn't stop it in the first place. :( |
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| 04:07:49 | saratoga | anyone familar with plugins want to tell me if 'FS #11799 - Less disk activity patch for text viewer plugin' looks ok? |
| 04:08:02 | saratoga | it looks good to me and it works nicely on the beast, but wanted to double check before i commit |
| 04:08:31 | scorche | soap: i also added a human verification question - or attempted to at least - i can tweak them however |
| 04:08:45 | soap | how recently did you add that? |
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| 04:09:17 | scorche | well, i just changed it to get rid of quotation marks which might have made it easier to parse for a bot |
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| 04:12:42 | scorche | soap: the next step might be to implement something like this: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2155 |
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| 04:14:04 | soap | I like the IP based approach. |
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| 04:17:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche: The verification question works, but it should probably randomize itself if possible. |
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| 04:17:43 | scorche | LambdaCalculus37: i added another question which might help |
| 04:17:46 | soap | here comes a test |
| 04:17:56 | scorche | eh? |
| 04:18:02 | soap | ahh |
| 04:18:06 | soap | fgfgfgfg is scorche |
| 04:18:09 | scorche | =) |
| 04:18:29 | scorche | i was testing to see if that code could handle the second question i added |
| 04:20:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | scorche: It works. :) |
| 04:20:15 | scorche | yes, i already tested ;) |
| 04:20:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | NotASpammer was me testing it out. |
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| 07:33:43 | JdGordon | same as any other target |
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| 07:41:32 | Buschel | saratoga: you wrote about major decoding efficiency differences in some codecs between unboosted/boosted state. do you have some numbers? |
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| 07:49:36 | saratoga | Buschel: (for the logs) yeah just looking at test_codec for AMSv2 |
| 07:51:10 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#AMS_AS3525v2_w_47_40MHz_PCLK_44_40MHz_FCLK_40ARM926EJ_45S_41 |
| 07:51:18 | saratoga | and the one above it are the unboosted and boosted results |
| 07:52:04 | saratoga | unboosted the mdct codecs are all much faster then mp3, boosted they're all slower |
| 07:53:43 | saratoga | vorbis in particular is tremendously hurt by slower memory performance |
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| 07:58:54 | [Saint] | $27 of that is in $1 & $2coins, and ~$8 in $-.50 coins...so it's not even "bullshit shrapnel you'll never use". |
| 07:59:00 | Buschel | saratoga: thanks, never recognized that this data was available :) |
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| 08:00:20 | [Saint] | apparently this couch is perfectly adapted to rob the coins from the pockets of those that sit there ;) I don't feel so bad about spending too much on DAPs lately now ;p |
| 08:01:45 | the_Kyle | Can anything at all be done about the ringing noise I get when recording at low frequencies, or is this a hardware issue? |
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| 08:03:59 | saratoga | Buschel: looking at it, i think some of the difference is due to the mdctlib, not sure why vorbis is so much worse then wma though, both use the same lib |
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| 08:05:56 | Buschel | saratoga: a52 is also using mdctlib, but of smaller size, right? |
| 08:06:39 | saratoga | it uses the fft part only i think |
| 08:07:58 | Buschel | just checked, you're right |
| 08:08:31 | n1s | tremor is pretty memory heavy over all |
| 08:09:17 | Buschel | but it does all the pre-/post-rotation stuff in an own implementation. for n=256 and n=512 |
| 08:09:19 | saratoga | good catch with liba52 |
| 08:09:23 | saratoga | it barely slows down at all |
| 08:09:52 | saratoga | so either the problem isn't the mdct, is specific to the mdct fiddling and not the fft, or else its only very large blocks that are slow |
| 08:09:52 | Buschel | wma uses larger transform lenghts, is this valid for the others as well? |
| 08:10:02 | saratoga | cook uses smaller ones |
| 08:10:17 | saratoga | WMA can use any size (and normal sizes typically use them) |
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| 08:10:31 | Buschel | cook also slows down quite a lot |
| 08:11:04 | Buschel | what are the typical transform lengths for our codecs/testfiles? do you know this by hard? ;) |
| 08:11:06 | saratoga | IIRC cook and liba52 use the same size transform |
| 08:11:16 | saratoga | of course :) |
| 08:11:20 | saratoga | which do you want to know |
| 08:11:41 | Buschel | wma, aac, vorbis, cook :) |
| 08:12:13 | saratoga | cook is always 512 (IIRC) |
| 08:12:29 | saratoga | vorbis is usually 2048/256 but files can use other sizes if they want |
| 08:12:36 | saratoga | aac is always 2048/256 |
| 08:12:41 | n1s | vorbis is 256/2048 for anything not super low birate usually (although others are allowed the encoders don't use them) |
| 08:13:02 | * | n1s slow |
| 08:13:20 | saratoga | wma is 128/256/512/1024/2048, with 2048 taking up something like half the blocks on average and the rest of the sizes being mixed in fairly evenly |
| 08:14:13 | saratoga | no i was wrong, cook is 1024 only, not 512 |
| 08:14:55 | saratoga | we probably need a test_mdct plugin |
| 08:15:22 | Buschel | so, the size might impact the slow down. cook not slowing as much as the others. but this is not for sure as vorbis is not fitting into this assumption... |
| 08:15:40 | saratoga | atrac is 512, exactly the same as liba52, might be neat to compare it |
| 08:17:21 | n1s | other parts of vorbis will suffer from slow memory, such as the residue decoding |
| 08:17:22 | saratoga | the liba52 mdct pre/post rotation stuff is definitely going to be faster on targets with slow memory, since its trig table is sorted for only the sizes it needs |
| 08:17:40 | Buschel | good point |
| 08:17:43 | saratoga | in comparison the mdctlib version strides all over the place |
| 08:18:15 | saratoga | we probably need to revert some of stripwax's clever math that cuts down the codeclib mdct trig tables so they fit into IRAM for targets that don't have IRAM |
| 08:18:45 | saratoga | make it a compile time option, the original version of the lib used math just like liba52, i'm sure thats a lot faster on arm9 and probably even more on arm11 |
| 08:19:12 | saratoga | it would be preferable if he does it though, since he actually understands it |
| 08:22:44 | Buschel | gotta go to work now, see you |
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| 08:23:50 | saratoga | i should sleep |
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| 08:30:36 | * | [Saint] wonders what's going on with http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26655.msg175437.html#msg175437 |
| 08:31:02 | [Saint] | that's some strage behaviour to carry through to the OF, it gives the impression it was fine pre-install. |
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| 11:18:40 | pixelma | could someone update the fonts package on the download server? The one currently available is from September 2009 and there were additions and changes since then. I even think that this has been asked before but nothing happened and I was reminded due to a recent post in the forums |
| 11:24:48 | Zagor | the rockbox-fonts-3.7.1.zip ? |
| 11:26:46 | pixelma | the one linked from the extra page - it's http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/rockbox-fonts.zip |
| 11:27:22 | pixelma | maybe it's enough to link the 3.7 one. I didn't even know it existed |
| 11:27:25 | Zagor | aha. it's a symlink to release 3.4. fixing. |
| 11:27:59 | pixelma | thanks :) |
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| 11:57:31 | soap | A, It got through scorche's new humanity check. |
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| 13:43:20 | gevaerts | AlexP, soap: goboots48 |
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| 13:45:49 | * | pixelma too slow |
| 13:48:58 | pixelma | speaking of which: should the spam posts be deleted immediately (as I would be allowed to) or would this make banning harder? |
| 13:50:03 | gevaerts | I use the "delete" button, which (at least for me) sends them to Removed Posts |
| 13:50:45 | pixelma | that's what I meant |
| 13:53:17 | GodEater | Kugel: for the logs - has the recent change to the android SDK broken our configure script? |
| 13:54:01 | GodEater | I don't seem to be able to build for android now since our Makefile specifies arm-linux-androideabi-gcc - but it seems the SDK now just calls it "gcc" |
| 13:54:23 | GodEater | doesn't make banning any harder pixelma |
| 13:54:31 | GodEater | so delete em straight away |
| 13:54:51 | pixelma | ok, thanks. Will do next time |
| 13:55:06 | GodEater | jusdt don't then delete the post from "Removed posts" afterwards |
| 13:55:12 | GodEater | as this does make it tougher to track them down |
| 13:55:46 | pixelma | alright, I never did anyway but will keep it in mind :) |
| 13:56:11 | pixelma | I mean deleting something from "Removed posts" |
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| 15:44:49 | kugel | GodEater: |
| 15:45:32 | kugel | my copy of the r5 ndk calls it arm-elf-androideabi-gcc |
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| 16:12:26 | CIA-7 | New commit by wodz (r28782): HD300 - do not handle scrollstrip events when hold is on |
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| 16:14:14 | CIA-7 | New commit by kugel (r28783): Base voice thread stack size on DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE, it's otherwise likely to overflow on app targets. |
| 16:14:20 | CIA-7 | New commit by kugel (r28784): Android: Replace the java based tick timer implemented with a not as bloated and more accurate linux hrtimer based one. Further reduces idle cpu usage ... |
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| 16:17:34 | CIA-7 | r28784 build result: All green |
| 16:17:44 | wodz | I found strange bug - if the playlist ends and dap goes back to main menu while hold is on button handling is not correct after turning off hold. |
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| 16:18:24 | wodz | I looks similar to the the bug on ipods not servicing scrollwheel after hold sometimes. But I thought this bug was fixed. |
| 16:18:32 | wodz | *It |
| 16:18:48 | Torne | the ipod bug is not fixed |
| 16:18:59 | Torne | it seemed like it was but i guess not |
| 16:19:20 | Torne | the fix we put in for that was ipod-driver-specific, though, nothing to do with rockbox's handling of hold/scrollwheel in general |
| 16:19:39 | pixelma | kugel: could your voice stack change influence other targets, and if then how? |
| 16:19:58 | kugel | pixelma: the effective size is the same |
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| 16:20:48 | wodz | Torne: do you remember commit/FS which deal with this? |
| 16:20:58 | Torne | yes, because it's still open and on my watchlist |
| 16:21:00 | Torne | one sec |
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| 16:21:01 | kugel | Torne: I think wodz refers to r28584 |
| 16:21:12 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5230 |
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| 16:21:36 | kugel | hm maybe not :) |
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| 16:21:43 | Torne | oh, that's something different.. |
| 16:21:44 | blindbluesmama | Ok that's better. Hi everyone. |
| 16:22:31 | wodz | Torne: I observe it on HD300 but since scrollstrip driver is heavily inspired by mini1G code it is likely that the origin of the bug is the same |
| 16:22:56 | Torne | well, maybe |
| 16:23:04 | blindbluesmama | ChanServ: I just purchased an mp3 player and it came with rockbox pre-installed. This is great. But I'm having trouble making play lists. I would like to make a play list that spans several folders and songs. |
| 16:23:05 | Torne | there's two possible places the problem could be, though |
| 16:23:19 | Torne | either in the driver, or in the action code |
| 16:23:25 | blindbluesmama | I have tried to read the manual on this and it didn't make a lot of sense. |
| 16:23:33 | Torne | the actoin code has some hairy stuff that tries to exclude button releases from the previous context after switching context |
| 16:23:41 | Torne | and i'm not convinced it's actually right in all cases |
| 16:24:07 | blindbluesmama | Here's what happens, I go to insert a folder or track and I insert it and then when I try to insert the next one it overwrites what I already did. |
| 16:24:15 | Torne | you could probably add some fairly easy debugging to identify whether it's that the button event doesn't get generated, or the button event being swallowed without generating an action |
| 16:24:24 | n1s | blindbluesmama: you can insert dirs in the playlist by opening the context menu in the file browser with the dir selected and choosing playlist->insert |
| 16:24:53 | blindbluesmama | Ok, stupid question, is that where you are on a file and then press select and it says play list? |
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| 16:25:15 | wodz | Torne: the common factor in mini1G code and HD300 code is that button_queue is filled from ISR. |
| 16:25:34 | n1s | blindbluesmama: yes, but if you want to insert a dir, you should select the dir, not a file |
| 16:25:46 | Torne | wodz: the problem with the ipod scrollwheel is not anything to do with button queueing.. |
| 16:25:47 | n1s | it is usually a long press |
| 16:25:58 | Torne | it's actually the physical hardware stopping generating the event |
| 16:26:05 | Torne | at least, the original problem |
| 16:26:09 | Torne | ..in theory |
| 16:26:17 | Torne | people could be wrong, since the fix doesn't actually fix it |
| 16:26:41 | Torne | i didn't experience the problem for a long time after the fix for FS #5230 went in |
| 16:26:47 | Torne | but now I do again, and the symptoms are identical |
| 16:27:07 | Torne | ..hang on, wait |
| 16:27:12 | Torne | it's not the *scrollwheel* that stops working on ipods |
| 16:27:14 | Torne | it's the buttons |
| 16:27:27 | blindbluesmama | Pl.ut`I've been doing that and whatever I insert gets overwritten. |
| 16:27:36 | Torne | the ipod issue is that after you release hold, the actual buttons don't work, *until* you scroll the wheel |
| 16:27:36 | blindbluesmama | What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:27:41 | Torne | i.e. you can change volume but not pause |
| 16:27:51 | wodz | Torne: but they are handled by the same chip AFAIK |
| 16:28:34 | Torne | blindbluesmama: if you just press the select button on a track, it will throw away the current playlist and make a new one consisting of the tracks from that directory |
| 16:28:35 | blindbluesmama | I mean the whole idea of a play list is that you can insert whatever you want from whatever folder, and also I'm having trouble saving. Is there anyone who can walk me through it stiep by step? I have a sansa e200p |
| 16:28:55 | Torne | you need to hold down the select button on a folder/file to bring up the context menu, then select the actual option labelled "insert" |
| 16:29:03 | Torne | just selecting a file doesn't insert it, ever |
| 16:29:09 | Torne | it plays it, replacing hte current playlist. |
| 16:29:35 | blindbluesmama | Ok, I see, so how do I actually tell it that I want to append stuff to the current play list not throw away what I had before, torn? |
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| 16:29:55 | Torne | I *just told you* |
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| 16:30:43 | blindbluesmama | I go to file or folder and press select for a long time until it says play list. I press select again and it says insert or if it's on a directory I also have the option of doing insert shuffle. Is there an important step I've missed or not done? |
| 16:31:16 | Torne | That will insert it so that it's *next* in the playlist |
| 16:31:25 | Torne | it won't delete the other things inthe playlist, but it won't put it at the end |
| 16:31:34 | Torne | if you want to insert it at the end, pick insert last |
| 16:31:59 | blindbluesmama | Hmm, sounds like we're doing the same thing. Please bare with me. I'm blind and sometimes a little slow to read the text stuff. |
| 16:32:18 | pixelma | Torne: not all insert/queue options are always available |
| 16:32:22 | Torne | all the insert options insert the selected thing into the existing playlist. none of them replace the playlist. |
| 16:32:44 | blindbluesmama | Confused, I haven't yet run up on that option. Maybe just not holding the select long enough? Let me scroll back a little more. |
| 16:32:57 | Torne | so i suspect it's just not inserting it where you expect. it doesn't insert it at the end unless you explicitly choose "insert last" |
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| 16:33:14 | Primula | hello |
| 16:33:26 | Primula | I'm trying to install rockbox to my D2 |
| 16:33:30 | Torne | there's only one context menu; if you get a menu then you're holding it for long enough. |
| 16:33:42 | Primula | but i can't install tcc driver |
| 16:33:47 | blindbluesmama | When I pick view current play list to see what I've done, it only plays the last folder or directory I inserted. |
| 16:34:04 | Primula | it said the system cannot find files specified |
| 16:34:13 | Torne | blindbluesmama: i'm afraid that's not possible, you must be mistaken |
| 16:34:14 | Primula | anyone can help? >.< |
| 16:34:27 | Torne | blindbluesmama: the "insert" options never remove anything from the playlist. |
| 16:35:01 | blindbluesmama | Does it make a difference whether I have speech installed or not? |
| 16:35:10 | Torne | no. |
| 16:35:38 | blindbluesmama | ack`: Nope not mistaken. |
| 16:36:20 | blindbluesmama | Well, at least I don't *think* I'm mistaken as I've tried this several times and every time with the same result. Only the last thing I inserted stays in the play list. |
| 16:36:36 | Torne | no, really, you must be mistaken, either about what the playlist contains, or about what you did. I know how the code works. |
| 16:36:59 | wodz | maybe this is 'hacked' rockbox version installed? |
| 16:37:56 | blindbluesmama | Maybe there's a key press that you're leaving out or that I didn't see you type? And I'm not mistaken about what the play list contains. I press view current play list, and no matter how much stuff I inserted before it only plays the last folder or file I inserted. |
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| 16:38:34 | blindbluesmama | No got it from accessibleelectronics.org |
| 16:38:38 | Torne | there is nothing that you can leave out; if you selected a menu option labelled "Insert" then that inserts into the existing playlist. It never deletes anything. |
| 16:39:25 | blindbluesmama | After I pick insert or insert shuffled do I press select or that button above select? |
| 16:39:41 | Torne | you don't need to press anything |
| 16:39:47 | Torne | once you pick insert that's it, it's done. |
| 16:39:59 | Torne | it exits the context menu automatically and goes back to the file browser |
| 16:40:11 | blindbluesmama | If I'm in a folder I get insert and insert shuffled. If I'm just selecting a individual file I get only insert. |
| 16:40:17 | Torne | if you press select again after that then it's as if you never went into the menu.. |
| 16:40:27 | Torne | it will just delete the playlist and replace it with what you just selected |
| 16:41:02 | Primula | no one can help? :9 |
| 16:41:02 | Torne | You should get more optoins than that unless the playlist is empty |
| 16:41:04 | Primula | :( |
| 16:41:07 | blindbluesmama | Hm. When I pick insert do I press select or the top button above select? When I press select the file starts to play. |
| 16:41:22 | Torne | blindbluesmama: you don't press anything |
| 16:41:27 | Torne | as soon as you pick insert, it's done. |
| 16:41:39 | pixelma | Primula: sorry, not many people know about the D2 port |
| 16:42:05 | Torne | it just goes back to the file browser and you can pick more files, or not, as you choose. |
| 16:42:14 | pixelma | Primula: be patient :) |
| 16:42:18 | blindbluesmama | Then if I don't need to do anything (starting to see the problem... how do I get back to the files? |
| 16:42:29 | Torne | it goe sback to the file list automatically |
| 16:42:35 | Primula | <pixelma> Primula: sorry, not many people know about the D2 port <<< well, the problem is within tcc |
| 16:42:47 | Torne | you pick insert, it inserts the files (which will take a moment if there's lots of files) and then it goes back to the file list. |
| 16:42:54 | Primula | i can;t install the driver |
| 16:42:58 | blindbluesmama | No just stays on insert. |
| 16:43:09 | Torne | no it doesn't. |
| 16:43:13 | pixelma | "picking insert" means chosing it like any other menu option which means pressing select or "right" in most cases |
| 16:43:27 | blindbluesmama | I have to press something... to get back to files. |
| 16:43:32 | Torne | No you don't. |
| 16:43:48 | Primula | pixelma : well at least i know someone read and actually reply, not just ignored me :) |
| 16:43:49 | blindbluesmama | I can't press select, or as you said it will go and play it and then I have to start all over. |
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| 16:44:34 | blindbluesmama | It just stays on insert. Maybe left arrow? |
| 16:45:10 | Torne | exact sequence of button presses: scroll to the file you want to add, hold down select until the menu comes up, scroll to insert, press select to choose the insert option, then that's it. The file gets inserted (which will not cause it to play) and it goes back to the file list on its own. |
| 16:45:56 | blindbluesmama | Hm. So I pick insert and then right instead of select, so I can add more files? |
| 16:46:38 | Torne | no, right and select both do the same thing in menus |
| 16:46:42 | Torne | it makes no difference |
| 16:46:47 | blindbluesmama | That's the problem. If I choose insert and then press selecdt, it plays the files, assuming that select is that middle button that looks like a big circle. |
| 16:47:04 | Torne | it will start playing for the *first* thing you select, because that creates a new playlist |
| 16:47:15 | Torne | but for anything you insert later, it should just keep playing what it's playing already |
| 16:47:27 | blindbluesmama | *frustrated. |
| 16:48:06 | pixelma | not right again, once you have started a playlist you need to repeat the sequence on the next file starting with going up/down in the file browser and then the long hold for the context menu |
| 16:48:35 | pixelma | going up/down in the filebrowser to get to your next song, I mean |
| 16:48:41 | blindbluesmama | So we're going around in circles, beginning to feel like I'm part of that who's on first thing. So assumming that I have done all previous steps correctly then I can go and add more files. But there's the trouble. when I do that it erases whatever I had in there to begin with. |
| 16:50:00 | blindbluesmama | Dos anyone here have skype or msn or something????????? |
| 16:50:42 | blindbluesmama | ack`: And are there any people here who have to use speech as I do? |
| 16:51:33 | Torne | i have just tested this sequence of events on my player, using speech, and it works as I have described, so you must be misunderstanding |
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| 16:52:18 | blindbluesmama | Pix, as I explained when I start the process over to add other files the file I had in there previously gets erased and replaced with the one I just added. |
| 16:52:42 | blindbluesmama | 'I am really starting to feel like the kid who rode the short bus here. |
| 16:54:11 | blindbluesmama | Yes, I concurr that I have misunderstood something but to this point can't figure out what it is since I'm doing what you said. Chose file or folder, long press on center button, bring up playlist, press select again bring up insert and then press select again. |
| 16:54:17 | blindbluesmama | Right so far? |
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| 16:54:37 | Torne | yes |
| 16:54:47 | Torne | the first time you do that, it should start playing the file you selected |
| 16:54:53 | Torne | it does that, yes? |
| 16:55:11 | blindbluesmama | Yes. |
| 16:55:14 | Torne | the second time, it shouldn't change what's playing, the current track should keep playing. |
| 16:55:20 | Torne | does it change what's playing when you do it? |
| 16:55:27 | Torne | if so, *when* does it change? |
| 16:55:39 | * | Strife89TX is using r28755 and has been having problems with Rockbox freezing while queuing a track. |
| 16:56:03 | Strife89TX | Target is an iPod Video (64MB of RAM, 60GB HDD) |
| 16:56:13 | blindbluesmama | Yes, but then when I go to view current play list, because I don't want to be inserting a lot of stuff only to find it isn't working... it only shows up with the last song played or folder if it was a whole folder. |
| 16:56:53 | Torne | no, forget about viewing the playlist for a moment |
| 16:57:07 | Torne | when does the currently playing track change, in that process? |
| 16:57:09 | Strife89TX | Basically, Rockbox has occasionally locked up while (or shortly after) queuing up a track. |
| 16:57:14 | Torne | i.e. what you hear out of the headphones |
| 16:57:45 | Strife89TX | The tracks it has crashed on so far are known-good files; i.e., they play if loaded as the first track. |
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| 16:58:21 | Strife89TX | Typically, Rockbox will suddenly produce a loud, static hiss, or become completely silent. |
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| 16:58:38 | Strife89TX | Attempting to stop playback will cause it to freeze entirely. |
| 16:58:40 | blindbluesmama | I think it doesn't but sometimes I have to press stop so I can hear what rock box is saying. Oh yes. I have to press the bottom button to It doesn't change I think, but I have to press that bottom left button to get back to files. I haven't figured out how to get back and still hear speech. |
| 16:58:50 | blindbluesmama | Perhaps that's the problem? |
| 16:58:52 | Strife89TX | Upon rebooting, the playlist control file will be invalid. |
| 16:59:29 | Torne | ok, wait. |
| 16:59:44 | Torne | are you stopping playback entirely after selecting the first set of files, before you choose the second one? |
| 16:59:51 | Torne | not just pausing it? |
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| 17:00:21 | pixelma | if you want to hear voice you can't pause music |
| 17:00:21 | blindbluesmama | So I Hang on a sec. |
| 17:00:34 | pixelma | that will pause voice too |
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| 17:01:59 | Strife89TX | Wait a minute .... Rockbox paused to spin up the hard drive while I was entering the LCD settings menu. I *just* cleared my settings and rebooted and have not started playback. |
| 17:02:35 | Strife89TX | Aren't these menus *part* of the firmware file, and therefore loaded into RAM? |
| 17:02:58 | wodz | it probably loaded settings file |
| 17:03:12 | Strife89TX | I thought it loaded it on boot. |
| 17:03:54 | pixelma | it "looks" for voice clips unless you turned the option off |
| 17:04:02 | pixelma | at least it should |
| 17:04:19 | Strife89TX | I did turn voice menus off. |
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| 17:05:44 | pixelma | after clearing your settings? |
| 17:05:55 | Strife89TX | I rebooted and it did a fair bit of disk activity (~10 seconds). The only settings I have changed from default are: voice menus off, Brightness set to top and bottom Quickscreen items. |
| 17:05:59 | Torne | blindbluesmama: okay, there is a setting you can turn on which might make it easier to work out what's going on here |
| 17:06:44 | Strife89TX | r28755 by the way. |
| 17:07:17 | Torne | blindbluesmama: go to settings, then general settings, then playlist, then warn when erasing dynamic playlist, and set it to yes |
| 17:07:37 | Torne | blindbluesmama: that will make it warn you and ask for confirmation before you do any action which will result in the current playlist being cleared |
| 17:07:38 | wodz | well entering settings->general settings->display->lcd settings doesn't spinn up disk for me |
| 17:08:00 | Torne | blindbluesmama: then try doing it again and see if that warning comes up |
| 17:08:38 | Strife89TX | I really don't have a clue, then, unless something in .rockbox is corrupted. |
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| 17:09:40 | Strife89TX | But I don't have a computer nearby to scan it and I'd prefer to work with music. |
| 17:09:59 | pixelma | maybe some glyph cache thing? |
| 17:10:32 | Strife89TX | Maybe ... manually delete the file perhaps? |
| 17:11:16 | Strife89TX | .glyphcache is currently 558 bytes. |
| 17:11:31 | pixelma | no, I meant if your theme uses a large font etc. Rockbox can't hold all glyphs in RAM and might need to reload some from disk |
| 17:12:09 | Strife89TX | If this is true with the *default font*, then I'll accept that./ |
| 17:12:22 | Strife89TX | But it doesn't explain all the crashing. |
| 17:13:28 | Torne | This is true with the default font on some devices, yes |
| 17:14:10 | Strife89TX | The device in question is an iPod Video. |
| 17:14:11 | Torne | cabbiev2 on 320x240 devices uses a font bigger than the font buffer |
| 17:14:13 | Torne | Then yes. |
| 17:14:38 | Torne | The next point size up *or* down is small enough to fit in the buffer, iirc, but the one used by default is not. |
| 17:15:03 | Strife89TX | Wait, a *bigger version* of the *same font* fits in the buffer? |
| 17:15:18 | Strife89TX | What is this mojo? |
| 17:15:19 | Torne | a larger point size version, yes |
| 17:15:30 | Torne | the characters included/excluded in each size are not the same |
| 17:15:46 | Torne | it purely depends on which characters were included in the original X bdf fonts |
| 17:15:47 | Strife89TX | Ah, no wonder. |
| 17:15:55 | wodz | Torne: you mentioned there is simple check if the problem is on driver level or on action handling layer level (with buttons). Could you elabore this? |
| 17:15:57 | Torne | the version cabbie uses has loads and loads of non-ascii glyphs |
| 17:16:14 | Torne | wodz: have the actual button driver do something visible when it receives a button event |
| 17:16:16 | pixelma | on the Video... |
| 17:16:16 | Strife89TX | I can live with missing chars. |
| 17:16:27 | Torne | er, yeah. on devices with a 320x240 screen |
| 17:16:42 | Torne | other screen sizes use a version of the font which is both smaller in space-on-screen and space-in-ram :) |
| 17:17:02 | Strife89TX | Just curious, how big is the cache? |
| 17:17:04 | pixelma | and sometimes not even nearly as many characters |
| 17:17:13 | Strife89TX | On 320x240 targets |
| 17:17:25 | Torne | it's based on ramsize, not screen size, alas |
| 17:17:28 | Strife89TX | Ah. |
| 17:17:38 | Strife89TX | RAM on this iPod is 64 MB |
| 17:17:40 | Torne | well, partly on both |
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| 17:17:59 | Torne | Devices with more than 2MB of ram *and* more than 64 pixel height LCD use 60000 bytes for the cache |
| 17:18:10 | Torne | less than 2mb of ram is 10000 bytes |
| 17:18:16 | Torne | less than 64 pixel height is 4000 bytes |
| 17:18:26 | Strife89TX | Ah, that's all? |
| 17:18:30 | Torne | so yes, a large number of our default fonts are bigger than 60000 bytes |
| 17:18:43 | Torne | yes, that's all. |
| 17:18:47 | Torne | that's just for the UI font |
| 17:18:55 | Torne | fonts used by the skin are loaded into the skin buffer and work differently |
| 17:18:55 | Strife89TX | I'm guessing increasing the cache size would be tricky? |
| 17:19:03 | Torne | no, entirely trivial :) |
| 17:19:08 | Torne | it's #define'd in font.c |
| 17:19:15 | jbotalan | So I had a momentary idea, which involves needing a couple of GPIO pins on my player. Does anyone know offhand if any beyond the ones in the microsd slot are open? can the usb pins be used as gpio pins? |
| 17:19:18 | Strife89TX | I.e., for targets with lots more than 2MB of RAM |
| 17:19:21 | Torne | i have previously pondered making a third tier for devices with at least 16/32mb of ram |
| 17:19:34 | Torne | i also invented a scheme to allocate the memory dynamically at boot |
| 17:19:38 | Torne | based onthe font selected at boot time |
| 17:19:50 | Torne | but we solved the ipod video boot time problem by fixing the font cache loading to not be so slow instead |
| 17:19:55 | Torne | so, i never made those changes |
| 17:19:55 | Strife89TX | Ah. |
| 17:20:04 | Torne | this used to cost ipod video ~6 seconds at boot |
| 17:20:04 | jbotalan | ooh i have a sansa. probably should have mentioned that |
| 17:20:17 | Strife89TX | Speaking of problems, I still have no idea what caused the crashes. .... |
| 17:20:17 | Torne | because loading into the font cache on that device was hundreds of times slower than loading direct to th ebuffer :) |
| 17:21:19 | Torne | Strife89TX: allocating it dynamically seems like a reasonable option |
| 17:21:39 | Torne | changing UI font is rare |
| 17:21:42 | Strife89TX | Sometimes the problem will occur if I change an item's position on the playlist. |
| 17:21:50 | Torne | anyway, i think your crash may be unrelated ;) |
| 17:22:25 | Strife89TX | Yeah, I figured as much. |
| 17:23:33 | * | Strife89TX spent too long constructing that first playlist, and *fwssssssssssssssssh* - it's gone |
| 17:30:27 | * | Strife89TX now can't remember (in an attempt to diagnose the issue) what tracks were being loaded at the crash point. :/ |
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| 17:36:39 | Strife89TX | Although one of the triggers was simply moving a track further up the queue. |
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| 17:49:48 | blindbluesmama | Ok, I hope y'all didn't boot me out. |
| 17:51:15 | blindbluesmama | I think I've figured out how to make a play list. I saved it and it saves in the root directory as dynamic.m3u8 and you can put stuff after that if you want. But how do I then bring up that file as a play list. |
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| 17:51:59 | blindbluesmama | Right now it just says open with, rename, etc. Doesn't say anything about playing or indicate that it can be played. |
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| 17:55:30 | blindbluesmama | Is anyone still around? |
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| 17:57:26 | bertrik | yes. I never use playlists explicitly, so I probably can't help you. |
| 17:58:39 | bertrik | I guess you can just select a playlist with the file browser and press the select button. |
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| 17:59:50 | Strife89TX | Normally that is how playlists are loaded. |
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| 18:00:08 | Strife89TX | So long as they have the .m3u extension it should work. |
| 18:00:33 | Strife89TX | Er, .m3u8 |
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| 18:03:48 | evilnick_B | blindbluesmama: You should be able to navigate to the dynamic.m3u8 file and 'play' it by using a short select |
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| 18:44:01 | kugel | damn |
| 18:44:09 | kugel | what's up with the android emulator |
| 18:44:13 | kugel | crash on playing music |
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| 18:54:07 | kugel | oh, only rockbox crashes it |
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| 19:43:00 | CIA-7 | r28785 build result: 377 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed) |
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| 19:46:13 | the_Kyle | I have refined my SVox Pico support in tools/voice.pl and tools/configure slightly. So far, I simply diverted the segmentation fault error messages that the pico2wave utility generates to /dev/null. There's nothing to fear from these messages, as the output of the synthesizer is still generated and encoded correctly. I am using it happily on my player. Now I just need to ask what is necessary to upload my patch, and what parameters I should use to create the |
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| 20:00:24 | pixelma | the_Kyle: you were cut off at "to create the" |
| 20:01:36 | the_Kyle | I was asking for the parameters need to create the patch to make it easiest to apply. |
| 20:02:29 | the_Kyle | Sorry, I didn't know the server had a character limit. My client isn't telling me when I go over, and it sounded like it posted the whole message. |
| 20:02:42 | pixelma | no problem |
| 20:03:30 | pixelma | to answer the general part of your question: you need to register at our patch and bug tracker and we have a real name policy for our code base. So if you want your patch included then you would need to state your real name |
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| 20:05:20 | pixelma | I'm not aware of any parameters to create the patch, I prefer patches created from trunk, not some subfolders and using svn. But patches created with git should also work if you prefer that |
| 20:06:18 | the_Kyle | Are there any special options required for the diff? |
| 20:06:56 | pixelma | no. At least I don't work with any :) |
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| 20:08:34 | the_Kyle | This patch applies to two files. If I'm patching multiple files, should I submit two patches, or can I concatinate them into a single patch file? |
| 20:09:25 | pixelma | if both are needed to solve one thing then one patch file will do |
| 20:09:34 | gevaerts | One patch per feature, regardless of how many files are touched |
| 20:10:00 | gevaerts | And the output of "svn diff" is fine |
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| 20:11:39 | the_Kyle | I applied a patch to my current copy of trunk. Should I checkout another copy for my patch,? |
| 20:12:35 | gevaerts | You can add filenames to the svn diff command to tell it which files you want |
| 20:12:35 | the_Kyle | Sorry. I mean I downloaded and applied a patch to my copy before I changed the files for my voice patch. |
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| 20:12:47 | gevaerts | or subdirectories |
| 20:13:12 | the_Kyle | Sounds good. You should have my patch soon. |
| 20:14:19 | the_Kyle | If the USB patch didn't touch tools/configure, and I don't believe it did, I can get this uploaded as soon as I register in the bug tracker. |
| 20:14:56 | gevaerts | Most patches don't touch anything under tools/ |
| 20:15:35 | the_Kyle | Good. I'll send it up shortly. |
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| 20:22:56 | CIA-7 | New commit by kugel (r28787): Restore correct launcher.png for mdpi that got accidentally overwritten. |
| 20:24:42 | CIA-7 | r28787 build result: All green |
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| 20:43:48 | the_Kyle | What is the best category for my voice patch? I don't see voice specifically, but it looks like it could fit either in language, user interface or possibly even configuration. |
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| 20:55:43 | the_Kyle | My guess so far is language. The patch applies to the voice system, which relies heavily on language, so language is probably correct. |
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| 20:56:52 | pixelma | I guess either language or user interface. It would fit both and I wouldn't care which one of the two you pick |
| 20:58:47 | the_Kyle | I'm also getting a dropdown box to select the reported version. I see a selection for "daily build which" or something like that, but I can't find svn except under rbutil. I also can't find anything to select the build date, unless I should put it in the details. |
| 20:59:13 | gevaerts | For a patch, the version isn't too important |
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| 21:05:25 | eWill | I've been using this USB patch (as3525v2-usb.diff, from FS #11664) for a few weeks, and have not yet seen Windows 7 force Full Speed USB Mode. How do you trigger it? |
| 21:05:37 | eWill | Fuze v2 |
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| 21:27:20 | the_Kyle | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11803 |
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| 21:44:50 | scorche | soap: can you noe see the moderation log? |
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| 21:46:42 | scorche | s/now.not |
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| 21:52:10 | AlexP | scorche: If you mean on the forums, I can't so I assume soap can't either |
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| 21:52:31 | AlexP | Unless I am just missing it, where would it be? |
| 21:52:51 | scorche | admin > maintenance > moderation log |
| 21:54:10 | scorche | soap: i am not sure if this is the post you were referring to, but it looks like yapper "removed" it - not "deleted" |
| 21:54:27 | AlexP | scorche: no maintenance section even :) |
| 21:54:30 | scorche | ah |
| 21:57:29 | ej0rge | I found the file that was crashing the metadata parser on my beast. Turns out to be an rm file that midentify says contains video and audio. And the audio is Sipro so, it was never going to play anyway. Will log a bug anyhow. |
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| 22:09:52 | ej0rge | logged FS #11804 |
| 22:10:29 | ej0rge | Thanks all for the pointer to the metadata log patch yesterday - wouldn't have figured it out without it. |
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| 22:37:52 | saratoga | ej0rge: thanks, should be easy to fix |
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| 22:55:21 | ej0rge | saratoga: welcome |
| 22:55:49 | ej0rge | I don't expect (or even want) that file to ever play on my device. I'm not even sure why i have it. |
| 22:56:21 | saratoga | yeah it won't work since we don't support that audio format, but the rm parser still shouldn't break on it |
| 22:57:24 | kugel | you mean it should accept the file and the codec should fail later on? |
| 22:58:21 | saratoga | we were talking about this the other day, but i think its expected that the database should parse the file normally, but during playback it should be rejected |
| 22:58:38 | saratoga | personally i would prefer to just have the metadata parser reject it |
| 22:58:55 | kugel | why should we have something in the database that we cannot play? |
| 22:59:17 | saratoga | ask jdgordon |
| 22:59:27 | kugel | that makes no sense for me |
| 22:59:44 | kugel | I'd expect that all items in the database can be played |
| 22:59:59 | kugel | so I agree with you |
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| 23:19:09 | ej0rge | I guess maybe there's a question of whether the database update is going to re-parse those files every time, and whether that's a performance concern. |
| 23:19:23 | ej0rge | i don't imagine that it would be much of a performance concern |
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| 23:34:44 | the_Kyle | What is the status of fs#11541? I can't get it applied. |
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| 23:37:17 | the_Kyle | Everything fails. |
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| 23:53:19 | saratoga | the_Kyle: that patch is 4 months old, the odds of it applying are near zero |
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