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| 00:16:19 | wodz | If I set IDE_RESET line low and than high in which state the drive should be? The same as just after power on? |
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| 00:20:59 | saratoga | "Warning: writeback of base register when in register list is UNPREDICTABLE" |
| 00:21:07 | saratoga | what does this mean |
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| 00:27:19 | saratoga | bah it means i'm stupid |
| 00:27:39 | JdGordon| | :) |
| 00:28:43 | saratoga | anyone work out how to mount a player so that it shows up in virtualbox? |
| 00:30:40 | JdGordon| | which version of VB? |
| 00:30:52 | JdGordon| | get the oracle closed version and then you can share usb devices |
| 00:31:02 | JdGordon| | usb is painfully slow though |
| 00:31:42 | saratoga | i've got the current version from oracle |
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| 00:31:58 | saratoga | my clip shows up as a possible VB USB device, but selecting it just crashed virtualbox |
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| 00:33:36 | pixelma | trying to compile the sdl app for Windows (crosscompiling by using a linux vim), I get loads of warnings about " define for VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX is missing" |
| 00:33:53 | pixelma | it finally fails with "/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ld: unrecognized option '-z'" when building the exe |
| 00:34:25 | TheSeven | oh yeah, those VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX things are also cluttering my ipod classic build output :/ |
| 00:34:40 | TheSeven | and i still don't have a clue which codec they're using! |
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| 00:44:26 | pixelma | a linux vm, *doh* |
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| 00:48:29 | kugel | pixelma: I don't think anybody has tried that yet :) |
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| 00:52:29 | pixelma | kugel: ok, and now? :) |
| 00:54:32 | kugel | pixelma: not sure, just saying I'm not surprised it doesn't work |
| 00:54:49 | kugel | it might also have unix specific stuff in it |
| 00:55:03 | pixelma | can I do something to figure out what's going on? |
| 00:55:27 | pixelma | I'm a bit busy though these days with other things but I would try |
| 00:56:25 | kugel | the warnings for volume min/max shouldn't be critical, but I don't know what the -z error is |
| 00:56:46 | pixelma | the line I quoted is really the only error message |
| 00:57:57 | kugel | perhaps you can run with make V=1, copy the last line (which should have "-o rockboxui.exe" somewhere), remove the -z manually and paste it again in the terminal |
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| 01:01:39 | kugel | I think you'd need to remove "-Wl,-z,noexecstack" |
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| 01:04:17 | saratoga | if I have a pointer to a 16 bit array element, on armv5 the most efficient thing to do is AND off the second to last bit and then load the entire word right? |
| 01:04:31 | pixelma | kugel: V=1 gives me a really long line which ends in "-mwindows -mconsole -Wl,-z,defs" |
| 01:04:53 | pixelma | then errors of course |
| 01:05:48 | kugel | try to remove all -Wl,-z parts |
| 01:08:16 | saratoga | or can i do "ldr r0, [r1 -2]" to get the nearest word |
| 01:10:15 | pixelma | kugel: sorry, where would I remove them? |
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| 01:21:29 | TheSeven | saratoga: you only want 16 bits? |
| 01:21:47 | saratoga | yeah, but i don't care about where it ends up (top or bottom half is fine) |
| 01:22:03 | saratoga | does this work? ldr r4, [%2,#-2] |
| 01:22:25 | * | TheSeven wonders why you aren't using ldrh r4, [r2] |
| 01:22:58 | TheSeven | or do you want to load multiple of them at the same time? |
| 01:23:02 | saratoga | isn't that one cycle slower since its rotating the result? |
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| 01:23:45 | * | TheSeven doesn't know those details of the architecture :) |
| 01:24:21 | TheSeven | but i doubt it will be slower than bic r2, r2, #3; ldr r4, [r2] |
| 01:24:41 | TheSeven | and i don't think you can specify sub-element size offsets |
| 01:24:52 | kugel | pixelma: from the last (really long) line |
| 01:25:06 | pixelma | and then? |
| 01:25:30 | kugel | re-paste it into the terminal and execute (to run the command without the -z options) |
| 01:27:28 | saratoga | warning: multi-character character constant |
| 01:27:30 | saratoga | what the fuck |
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| 01:30:33 | kugel | saratoga: i don't think ldrh is slower |
| 01:30:36 | saratoga | would it have really been so hard to make gcc able to figure out what line number errors occur on if there preprocessor involved |
| 01:30:56 | saratoga | Unaligned word loads, load byte (LDRB), and load halfword (LDRH) instructions use the byte rotate unit in the Write stage of the pipeline. This introduces a two-cycle load-use interlock, that can affect the two instructions immediately following the load instruction. |
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| 01:31:26 | kugel | oh |
| 01:34:35 | saratoga | well it runs, although it doesn't sound right |
| 01:34:44 | saratoga | the offset is specified in bytes right? |
| 01:35:53 | saratoga | oh huh the ldm isn't aligned, i didn't realize that was even allowed |
| 01:36:42 | saratoga | ARM cores from architecture ARMv4 or ARMv5 convert an aligned load into an aligned load with rotate (so LDR from 0x1 loads 0x1 0x2 0x3 0x0 into a register). |
| 01:36:52 | saratoga | well ok then |
| 01:38:23 | saratoga | wait ldm ignores the lower to bits of an address |
| 01:38:34 | saratoga | so this would have just worked if i'd use ldm for everything |
| 01:38:40 | kugel | unaligned ldr causes data abort doesn't it= |
| 01:38:50 | saratoga | surprisingly no |
| 01:38:57 | kugel | but I've seen them |
| 01:39:09 | saratoga | isn't that for instruction fetches? |
| 01:39:47 | kugel | that's prefetch abort |
| 01:40:05 | saratoga | ah no you're right, its configurable |
| 01:40:21 | saratoga | it either rotates or data aborts depending on a register flag |
| 01:43:03 | saratoga | haha yes it works |
| 01:43:15 | saratoga | ldm happily truncates my unaligned load giving me what i actually want |
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| 01:44:45 | kugel | saratoga: does it also do that on armv6+? those support (true) unaligned access |
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| 01:47:11 | saratoga | i'll have to double check |
| 01:47:30 | saratoga | but my guess is that it does, since that would be a pretty major change in how the instruction was encoded |
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| 01:53:32 | saratoga | ha i can't believe this works as well as it does\ |
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| 02:15:40 | Llorean | Is there a reason the Clip+ doesn't have the backlight on hold options? |
| 02:16:38 | saratoga | none that i can think of |
| 02:16:40 | saratoga | oh |
| 02:16:44 | saratoga | it has soft hold |
| 02:16:48 | saratoga | so maybe thats why |
| 02:17:39 | Llorean | I thought that might be it, I was just wondering if there was a discussion, or of maybe it was just a case of perhaps an IFDEF not being set right because soft hold counts different as normal hold? |
| 02:18:26 | saratoga | probably a mistake |
| 02:18:31 | saratoga | at least that seems most likely to me |
| 02:18:54 | Llorean | I could see someone objecting because if you have the backlight set to "off on hold" you can't see the message telling you hold is on and there's no physical feedback. |
| 02:19:28 | Llorean | But, at the same time, a user has to enable this option manually. |
| 02:19:54 | * | Llorean doesn't like knowing his screen will constantly come on every time his player is bumped in his pocket even with hold on. |
| 02:20:12 | Llorean | Defeats what to me is basically the secondary major purpose of hold. :) |
| 02:21:13 | JdGordon| | the backlight uses an insignificant amount of power compared to the rest of it |
| 02:21:59 | the_Kyle | Question: how do I even set hold on my Clip+? I couldn't find it anywhere in the manual. It doesn't seem to be in a menu either. Is it just me? |
| 02:22:12 | Llorean | the_Kyle: select+home in the WPS |
| 02:22:16 | Llorean | Same combo to turn it off. |
| 02:22:23 | saratoga | its in the manual somewhere but not too easy to find IIRC |
| 02:22:41 | Llorean | Yeah, I expected it to be in quick start, but since the key combo is only defined for the WPS it's in the WPS keymap. |
| 02:22:49 | Llorean | You basically have to open the PDF and search for "lock" |
| 02:22:55 | saratoga | Llorean: think of this as a great opportunity for you to grep and learn how software hold works in rockbox ;) |
| 02:23:06 | the_Kyle | I have the Clip+ manual for 3.7.1. I searched for lock and hold with no luck. |
| 02:23:20 | Llorean | the_Kyle: I found it when searching for lock no problem. |
| 02:23:38 | saratoga | its 4.3.1. WPS Key Controls |
| 02:23:43 | saratoga | i remember adding it a while ago |
| 02:23:47 | the_Kyle | Hmmm. Don't know how I missed it then. |
| 02:23:59 | Llorean | saratoga: It's tempting. I can't imagine it's a hugely complex change anyway. |
| 02:24:02 | * | the_Kyle looks at 4.3.1 |
| 02:24:20 | saratoga | yeah its probably not |
| 02:24:39 | Llorean | I was more wondering if it was intentionally left out and there was a discussion I could reference, or if it's just a question that hasn't been addressed yet. |
| 02:27:53 | * | the_Kyle must have been tired when he looked at the manual. There it is, plain as day. Sorry bout that. |
| 02:32:00 | pixelma | Llorean: maybe have a look at the Recorder? I believe it has soft hold too and backlight... hmm *my* Ondio does too actually |
| 02:32:19 | pixelma | I can't remember seeing backlight on hold options though |
| 02:34:57 | pixelma | they aren't there indeed. I wonder though if the subtle difference of soft hold only being active in the WPS has something to do with it |
| 02:35:46 | Llorean | I'd guess it's just a missing define or otherwise not thinking hold is present. |
| 02:37:28 | saratoga | Llorean: backlight.c pops up if you grep BUTTON_HOLD |
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| 02:37:57 | saratoga | my guess is that backlight_hold_changed being available only if theres a physical hold button is the problem |
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| 03:01:50 | CIA-7 | New commit by kugel (r28821): Android: Protect lcd updates with a mutex. ... |
| 03:03:52 | JdGordon| | kugel: your phone shows 0% cpu usage right? when you reopen rockbox is it actually still runing the service? |
| 03:04:11 | CIA-7 | r28821 build result: All green |
| 03:04:15 | kugel | yes, it's running all the time |
| 03:05:15 | JdGordon| | interesting... stock froyo on my phone seems to happily kill the service but rockbox is still in the process listing |
| 03:07:07 | kugel | kill how? |
| 03:08:18 | kugel | I found that kill apps act strange there, so that the our bootsplash comes up even though rockbox is still running |
| 03:08:29 | krabador | can i ask you what's the android reference version for the rockbox development ? |
| 03:08:30 | kugel | but force stop works correctly |
| 03:08:31 | JdGordon| | yes, thats what im seeing |
| 03:09:10 | kugel | I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the kill apps only kill the service's main thread, but not the other threads it spawns (if that's even possible) |
| 03:09:45 | JdGordon| | im not running a task manager, its android itself killing it |
| 03:10:13 | kugel | OOM killer or force stop? force stop works fine for me |
| 03:10:38 | JdGordon| | oom, except plenty of free ram so i dont know why it is bothering |
| 03:11:41 | kugel | perhaps we're not handling this situation correctly. I don't know what the kill apps do but I read they can't kill reliably on froyo anymore and need some workaround |
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| 03:13:42 | JdGordon| | I'm not talking about the kill apps |
| 03:14:11 | kugel | yes |
| 03:15:07 | kugel | but both OOM killer and the apps kill somehow differently than force stop, which doesn't work correctly for rockbox |
| 03:15:34 | JdGordon| | we arent crashing though which is nice |
| 03:17:30 | kugel | android never closed the service on my phone so far |
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| 03:22:56 | the_Kyle | Where are keymappings defined? If I'm reading the WPS controls correctly, I'd like to try something. |
| 03:25:23 | JdGordon| | apps/keymaps/keymap-<target>.c |
| 03:27:36 | the_Kyle | I found keymap-clip.c. Is clip+ using this keymap slso? |
| 03:27:48 | the_Kyle | s/slso/also |
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| 03:54:55 | the_Kyle | My bright idea is to try to map power+select to WPS_HOTKEY on the Clip+. I don't know if this will work, but I'm giving it a try, since down repeat is already being mapped to show playlist. |
| 03:55:12 | the_Kyle | And I don't see a mapping for power+select. |
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| 03:56:43 | the_Kyle | I'm definitely keeping the HAVE_HOTKEY define check, since this is only a test at this point, and I don't want it used unless the define is set explicitly for now. |
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| 04:06:00 | the_Kyle | building |
| 04:10:10 | * | the_Kyle panicked unnecessarily for a second because he thought he coded wront. This turned out not to be the case. Resuming build. |
| 04:10:19 | the_Kyle | wrong |
| 04:11:05 | * | the_Kyle is basing the choice of hotkey map on the previous and next directory functions. |
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| 04:12:04 | the_Kyle | Using the power key as a modifier just seems like a good idea to me. Comments are welcome if this does indeed work. |
| 04:13:06 | the_Kyle | Build resule: all green. |
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| 04:22:10 | JdGordon| | the_Kyle: please dont do that "Build result" line... it actually has a use and your private build is something only yuou care about |
| 04:22:33 | the_Kyle | My apology. |
| 04:27:15 | the_Kyle | I have WPS_HOTKEY working on the Clip+, and so far it doesn't seem to interfere with anything. |
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| 04:28:01 | the_Kyle | And we can keep the down repeat mapping for view playlist. |
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| 04:30:16 | the_Kyle | If there's no objections, I'll send up a patch for testing. |
| 04:30:30 | the_Kyle | Looks very good here. |
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| 04:56:09 | the_Kyle | Oops. I'm having a problem creating my patch. My hotkay patch touches one of the files touched by the USB patch, so the diff is trying to bring in some of the USB work into my hotkey patch. Is there any way to get around this and still keep my USB patch applied locally? |
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| 05:02:22 | JdGordon| | the_Kyle: diff files are just plaintext, you can manually remove the parts which arent what you want |
| 05:02:30 | JdGordon| | or svn diff <filename> to only get the one file |
| 05:02:38 | JdGordon| | also, I wouldnt hold your breath for that sort of change |
| 05:04:02 | the_Kyle | So this is better as a local build? I thought other Clip+ users could use the WPS hotkey if this gets some testing. |
| 05:04:59 | the_Kyle | It would just need to be worked out how to get around changing the hotkey for those Clips that already have it defined, if there are any. |
| 05:08:09 | saratoga | i think we didn't add hotkey to the clip due to lack of buttons |
| 05:10:25 | the_Kyle | I tried to choose a button combination that wasn't already being used on the Clip. Power is already being used as a modifier for previous and next directory, and power+select isn't being used. |
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| 05:22:47 | the_Kyle | None of the Clips defines HAVE_HOTKEY. Unfortunately, I can only speak for the Clip+ when I say that my hotkey combination works without causing interference with other button functions. I don't know what the buttons are like on any other Clip. |
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| 05:27:18 | Gourd_Captain | When I play a MIDI file on Rockbox 3.7.1 on a Sansa Fuze v2, about half the time it lists "MALLOC BARF" five or six times on the screen and crashes. |
| 05:36:20 | saratoga | the FuzeV2 doesn't really have enough RAM to play most MIDI files I think |
| 05:36:53 | Gourd_Captain | Ah. |
| 05:37:01 | * | Gourd_Captain looks for mp3 versions then. |
| 05:39:17 | Gourd_Captain | Wow, 32 MB? I remember when my main desktop had that much. |
| 05:40:21 | saratoga | yeah i think 32MB is needed to play most midi files |
| 05:41:57 | saratoga | what are the SVN user names again? FirstLast or our screennames? |
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| 05:43:30 | CIA-7 | New commit by saratoga (r28822): Make the midiplugin's out of memory error more obvious to people who don't know what malloc is. |
| 05:43:33 | saratoga | there got it |
| 05:45:36 | CIA-7 | r28822 build result: All green |
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| 06:13:38 | Gourd_Captain | Wow. I actually caused a SVN update. Admittedly, based entirely on me being slightly obtuse... |
| 06:13:58 | * | Gourd_Captain does know what malloc is, I was just wondering if I'd screwed something up with installing the MIDI patch files. |
| 06:14:21 | Gourd_Captain | Is there any way to get out of that "MALLOC BARF" screen if it happens? |
| 06:14:37 | * | Gourd_Captain tried holding back, and in the end the only thing that worked was powering off the device. |
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| 06:52:54 | ej0rge | Hey, question. I performed the RTC mod on my h120 a few years ago. Been a while since i updated rockbox on it because my daily DAP is my beast. I notice that the RTC mod is no longer an option when building RB. What gives? |
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| 08:43:51 | Buschel | TheSeven: I get 258 fps as well when using LCD_PHTIME=0x00. but without any IRAM usage. this is because the RAM latency can be hidden (see FS #11807, v09) |
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| 08:50:12 | wodz | TheSeven: ping |
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| 08:57:52 | wodz | TheSeven: for the logs - I think that you can protect ata constatnts defines with #if !(defined (ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN) && !defined(ATA_SWAP_WORDS) |
| 08:58:53 | wodz | shifted constants are only for big endians if they do not swap bytes in ata words |
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| 09:01:33 | wodz | TheSeven: ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN is set in autoconf.h |
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| 09:55:45 | TheSeven | wodz: that doesn't really seem clean to me |
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| 10:05:17 | CodeAlexus | I can't seem to figure out the mountpoint for my sansa clip |
| 10:06:52 | pixelma | maybe your clip is still in MTP mode? I'd guess that would make it harder |
| 10:07:51 | CodeAlexus | how would i go about changing that? It shows up in my computer, but it doesnt have a drive letter or anything |
| 10:08:03 | wodz | TheSeven: why - it is based on the origin of the different constants |
| 10:08:34 | CodeAlexus | ...wat... |
| 10:08:36 | [Saint] | CodeAlexus: You need to set it to MSC (if it isn't already) in the Original Firmware |
| 10:08:55 | TheSeven | is this really consistent, i.e. will *every* big endian target have it that way? |
| 10:09:13 | pixelma | CodeAlexus: it's a setting in the OF (something like "System > USB mode" or so) |
| 10:09:15 | TheSeven | (even future ones) |
| 10:09:36 | TheSeven | if yes, I would define them based on endianness in some ATA header instead of the target tree |
| 10:10:43 | CodeAlexus | ahah, never saw that setting before, ty very much |
| 10:11:10 | wodz | TheSeven: we never know but IF ata is connected to system bus for big endian bytes will be shifted (unless engineers decide to swap bytes in ata words as done in archoses and mpios) |
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| 10:13:15 | wodz | well there is always possibility to randomly connect ata bus lines to system bus :-) |
| 10:13:22 | [Saint] | Buschell: My apologies for not getting back to you sooner about your Nano2G LCD patch, I had some issues to deal with IRL. |
| 10:13:42 | wodz | [Saint]: have you looked at hd300 svg? |
| 10:14:26 | [Saint] | Both "dark" and "bright" LDS176s seem to handle it in the same way...I really wish I knew *why* there were "dark" LDS176 LCDs |
| 10:15:00 | [Saint] | wodz: Briefly, I'm going to get stuck into it tonight. |
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| 10:19:26 | [Saint] | Buschell: Even though I know I might never know what the difference is between the two, if there is one...to give you an idea, the "bright" LCDs I have set to Brightness 32, and the "dark" screens I need to have set to Brightness 44 (46 is too bright, but in the wrong way) and it is still visibly darker then the "bright" screens. |
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| 10:23:28 | [Saint] | TheSeven: You've mentioned before that there's three LCD types (known) for the Nano2G, but the code only points to there being two known types...what does the third type get detected as? |
| 10:24:03 | [Saint] | ...or has it not been seen in the wild? |
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| 10:34:37 | CIA-7 | New commit by wodz (r28823): HD300 - lang strings for alarm screen |
| 10:37:09 | CIA-7 | r28823 build result: All green |
| 10:39:45 | wodz | Is there a way to know that ata drive 'accepted' hardware reset? I mean to read some register which should change on hard reset |
| 10:51:57 | Stummi | I tried the voice for rockbox (espeak). When i use english it works fine. But when i want to use german voice, it seems that espeak uses the english voice for pronouncing the (german) words. Can i configure this anywhere? |
| 10:54:07 | pixelma | Stummi: do you already have a German espeak voice? |
| 10:54:12 | Stummi | yes |
| 10:54:45 | Stummi | "espeak −−voices=de" shows some rows |
| 10:54:59 | pixelma | and what do you use for voice file building (OS and Rockbox utility or some other method)? |
| 10:55:34 | Stummi | "make voice" from an SVN Build (on debian testing) |
| 10:56:34 | pixelma | you have to have an eye on the encoder settings where you can chose a voice |
| 10:56:57 | pixelma | (I mean the TTS setting) |
| 10:57:21 | Stummi | TTS_OPTS? |
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| 10:58:51 | Stummi | ok, output on building looks good ("TTS Engine (options): espeak (-v de)"). I will see if this works then. Thanks |
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| 11:00:17 | pixelma | yes, you can set the TTS voice that should be used when configuring with "/voice: your German espeak voice name" at some step |
| 11:00:25 | * | [Saint] has wondered for some time if there is a "build all" flag for building voicefiles. |
| 11:00:39 | pixelma | Stummi: can't remember all the details at the moment |
| 11:01:30 | [Saint] | I really can't be bothered building all the relevant voicefiles by hand...I'm sure there will be such a thing, but I haven't found it yet. |
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| 11:09:44 | wodz | Hmm MPIO OF performs turn off/turn on flip on disk power line when connecting usb. Maybe they screwed up ATA_RESET line handling on hardware level and cutting off power is the only way to hard reset the drive |
| 11:13:04 | TheSeven | [Saint]: There are indeed three LCD types, two of which share the command set for the update region setup, which is why they only need two drivers |
| 11:13:21 | TheSeven | and yes, those two ones both have the LDS176 command set :) |
| 11:13:31 | TheSeven | can you check the LCD_DETECT values in diagmode? |
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| 11:14:22 | TheSeven | LCD_DETECT0: 1, LCD_DETECT1: 0 is one of them (the one i have) LCD_DETECT0: 0, LCD_DETECT1: 0 is the other one (user890104 has one, but they seem to be rather rare) |
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| 11:15:34 | TheSeven | those values can be found on the second page of "others" => "status" |
| 11:17:59 | [Saint] | TheSeven: where am I looking for that info? I needed to grab it for liar once also on my devices, buggered if I can find it now though. |
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| 11:18:51 | TheSeven | diagmode => others => status => second page (press select) |
| 11:20:26 | [Saint] | hmmm...all 1, 0 around at the moment. |
| 11:20:45 | [Saint] | there's another "dark" screened Nano2G in the car though. |
| 11:21:43 | [Saint] | Interestingly though...the first page of Status has some very obvious garbage on the screen on this Nano2g |
| 11:24:17 | [Saint] | everything under "Regn:0x0000 0xe353" is just a bunch of...I wouldn't even call them chars, just randomly plotted groups of pixels. |
| 11:24:41 | [Saint] | then after that, the "ACTION to change page..." comes up fine. |
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| 11:26:05 | TheSeven | yes, that's a known issue |
| 11:26:54 | [Saint] | emBIOS issue? |
| 11:27:30 | TheSeven | partially |
| 11:27:46 | TheSeven | diagmode doesn't find the sysconfig on the boot flash and handles that a bit badly |
| 11:28:41 | [Saint] | ah...right. "meh"...at least the main parts work. |
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| 12:22:47 | Stummi | i just got an ipod 2g. Connected it to my pc and the screen says, that i shall not disconnect it from pc. It isn't mounted, so is this message wrong? |
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| 12:23:55 | Torne | the ipod doesn't know if it's mounted or not |
| 12:24:17 | Torne | it brings up that message as soon as it's enumerated by the host and it only goes away when you send the device a disconnect message (i.e. eject it) |
| 12:24:53 | Torne | mass storage devices have no way of knowing if the host has mounted them or not |
| 12:27:26 | Stummi | ok |
| 12:28:15 | Torne | if you're on linux you should be able to make it think it's ok to disconnect by running "eject /dev/sdb" or whichever device it is |
| 12:28:27 | Torne | but then you won't be able to mount it again unless you unplug/replug the device physically |
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| 12:57:46 | Stummi | hm, i made now the svn-build for ipod 2g, made a fullinstall and installaed the bootloader with ipodpatcher. It says "Can:t load rockbox.ipod: Bas checksum".. the sums are 2D38077 and 2D380A2 |
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| 13:10:12 | amee2k | i just put the new battery in my ipod. do i need to reset anything? |
| 13:10:35 | amee2k | or do anything else besides plugging it in |
| 13:15:12 | Torne | no. |
| 13:15:31 | amee2k | good :) |
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| 13:19:43 | amee2k | its charging now and continues to run when i unplug the USB briefly |
| 13:20:23 | amee2k | it'll need a couple cycles until the battery has its peak capacity and the charge controller has calibrated itself,eh? |
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| 13:31:37 | Torne | no, not really |
| 13:31:50 | Torne | charging in this kind of device is usually totally dumb |
| 13:32:26 | Torne | just uses voltage on the battery and the theoretical charge/discharge curve for the battery chemsitry |
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| 16:05:29 | [Saint] | Stummi: I can't see if anyone else replied, as apparently I disconnected in that time...but "Can't load rockbox.ipod: Bad checksum" usually means that you installed the wrong build for the device. |
| 16:06:13 | Stummi | [Saint], yes, just solved this. I accidantly made the ipod 2g build for the ipod nano 2g :) |
| 16:06:53 | [Saint] | Good to know ;) |
| 16:07:02 | [Saint] | Glad you got it sorted. |
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| 16:07:40 | [Saint] | Make sure to download the iLike theme for it lol, I worked hard on that ;p |
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| 16:09:01 | * | [Saint] is again reminded that the revision on the theme site is almost certainly several 100 revisions behind his local copy. |
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| 16:09:32 | burn | hi there, when I'm using rockbox on an ipod mini v2, it can't reboot properly when making the database |
| 16:09:43 | burn | can't find anything about it on the internet |
| 16:09:52 | burn | "abort on data" is the error |
| 16:09:59 | [Saint] | define "can't boot properly" |
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| 16:10:12 | burn | when I delete the .rockbox\config\database.* it works |
| 16:10:15 | burn | again |
| 16:10:21 | burn | but I can't make a database |
| 16:10:37 | [Saint] | ah...do you mean "data abort <numbers>"? |
| 16:10:52 | burn | [Saint]: yeah, indeed, sorry |
| 16:11:26 | burn | I can't find a proper way to reboot the Ipod :/ |
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| 16:11:58 | [Saint] | the "propper" way is to simply hold the "Play" button until the iPod shuts down. |
| 16:12:07 | [Saint] | this is in the Manual. |
| 16:12:18 | burn | yeah, but then it boots the apple software |
| 16:12:26 | burn | it doesn't seem to shutdown |
| 16:13:10 | [Saint] | that seems quite wrong to me. |
| 16:13:15 | burn | Data abort at 00004437C (0) |
| 16:13:22 | burn | [Saint]: ok, now it does, but the error stays |
| 16:14:22 | [Saint] | Is it immediate, or does it attempt to build the database and then fail? |
| 16:14:36 | [Saint] | there's a chance you have a track with corrupt ID3 info |
| 16:14:37 | burn | it builds the database, when I reboot the device, it fails to boot |
| 16:15:03 | burn | yeah, there are multiple tracks without I3D |
| 16:15:09 | burn | id3* |
| 16:15:50 | burn | do I have to delete those songs? |
| 16:15:58 | [Saint] | having no ID3 info isn't an issue at all, but broken/corrupted tags can certainly cause this. |
| 16:16:21 | [Saint] | it might pay to check the disk for filesystem errors also. |
| 16:16:53 | burn | ow, how can I do that? |
| 16:19:59 | [Saint] | Stummi: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c6df4060.html is the current development version of: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=973&target=ipodnano2g if you wanted to check it out. |
| 16:20:16 | [Saint] | burn: Are you using Windows or *nix? |
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| 16:23:12 | burn | [Saint]: lunix |
| 16:23:32 | tmzt | with usb? |
| 16:23:36 | tmzt | impressive |
| 16:23:47 | tmzt | ispxxxx on the usr port? |
| 16:23:56 | burn | yes, usb |
| 16:24:02 | burn | latest Ubuntu |
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| 16:31:02 | Stummi | [Saint], lol |
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| 16:31:28 | [Saint] | Stummi: My little laugh at Apple's expense ;) |
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| 16:31:50 | [Saint] | There's an iPod Video and Colour/Photo port in the making also ;) |
| 16:33:01 | [Saint] | burn: To check the filesystem on *nix, you might want to get familiar with the fsck command. |
| 16:36:01 | Stummi | [Saint], i am missing the animated scrolling menu-change :p |
| 16:36:36 | [Saint] | that's one of the very few things RB won't let me do ;p |
| 16:36:44 | Stummi | (ok, you don't can do this only with theme file) |
| 16:37:10 | [Saint] | that, and the "volume comes flying in from the side of the screen" thing. |
| 16:37:36 | [Saint] | ...it's pretty close though. |
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| 16:40:17 | Stummi | [Saint], yes |
| 16:40:24 | Stummi | anyway, nice work :) |
| 16:41:00 | Stummi | hm, my ipod nano 2g sometime freezes when i plug it in |
| 16:42:02 | [Saint] | freezes in what way? |
| 16:43:08 | Stummi | it does not appear in the file system (and not as dev-file) and i can't do anything with it but commiting an reset (press menu and select for a few seconds) |
| 16:43:43 | burn | [Saint]: got it fixed by removing most of the audio files |
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| 16:44:17 | [Saint] | burn: that points to corrupt ID3 info almost certainly. |
| 16:44:31 | burn | indeed, thanks for your fast reply |
| 16:44:36 | [Saint] | next step would be finding out which file(s) are triggering it. |
| 16:46:28 | [Saint] | Stummi: If it doesn't mount when it's connected, it should be fairly safe to just disconnect it and use Play to shut the device down. |
| 16:46:47 | [Saint] | Using Menu+Select is a "Only when necessary" thing. |
| 16:46:52 | Stummi | [Saint], i can't. How i said, the device freezed |
| 16:47:21 | [Saint] | it should always recognise Play, that's quite weird. |
| 16:47:27 | Stummi | It don't react on any actions. When i disconnect it, it stays on the pluged-in-image |
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| 16:49:43 | [Saint] | Stummi: Does it do the same if you put it into disk mode manually before connecting? That isn't much of a workaround though, as you'll still need to "hard reset" the device to get out of disk mode unless you have emBIOS installed. |
| 16:51:06 | Stummi | moment |
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| 16:52:55 | [Saint] | I have my suspicions it's some *nix/USB related thing though...I have no mounting troubles here on XP/Vista or 7 |
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| 16:53:44 | Stummi | [Saint], ok, in disk mode it does not make this problems |
| 16:53:59 | Stummi | (connected and disconnected it serval times without freezing) |
| 16:55:19 | [Saint] | Well, that's a good thing. But hardly ideal. |
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| 17:29:34 | Jamo | Hi ive just put rockbox on my ipod 5.5g and i clicked the failsafe theme by mistake it didnt revert and i cant see any text |
| 17:29:49 | Jamo | its just the old themes icons |
| 17:30:42 | [Saint] | jamo, as you boot the iPod as soon as the screen comes on switch hold to on. |
| 17:30:49 | [Saint] | this will reset your config. |
| 17:31:49 | Jamo | ah ok thx |
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| 18:58:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | n1s: Ping, I took your advice and updated FS #7505. Aside from the signed/unsigned warning, it's building now. |
| 18:59:05 | n1s | nice |
| 18:59:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Would any of the Gigabeat owners like to give the patch another kick around? |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:13 | * | LambdaCalculus37 wants to know if the patch may work for the Gigabeat X as well... |
| 19:05:30 | the_Kyle | Testing fs#11541. There's some good stuff in here, and it makes quick access to certain information possible. I still need "Show track info", "File properties" and "view playlist" spoken, however, and this patch doesn't address that issue. I'll file the bug report for that. |
| 19:10:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | the_Kyle: Perhaps you could try to see if you can add that in? |
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| 19:11:49 | [Saint] | the_Kyle: fwiw, you shouldn;t file a bug report against a patch on the tracker. |
| 19:12:08 | [Saint] | simply mention your concerns in the patches comments section. |
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| 19:32:52 | saratoga | anyone have an opinion at all on the resume patch on the tracker |
| 19:33:42 | [Saint] | the one that tries to replace bookmarking? |
| 19:33:53 | [Saint] | (somewhat) |
| 19:35:26 | [Saint] | 11748? |
| 19:35:40 | saratoga | yeah |
| 19:36:09 | AlexP | Well, I'm not too keen on the database requirement, but seeing as I'm not going to fix it I won't complain to much |
| 19:36:19 | sideral | I like it ;) |
| 19:36:39 | [Saint] | I'm a bit "meh" about it simply because iiuc its the same as the current bookmarking implementation (or how it should work). |
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| 19:36:45 | [Saint] | and it being tied to the database. |
| 19:36:58 | [Saint] | you're biased sideral ;p |
| 19:37:36 | [Saint] | I lean more towards fixing up bookmarking if it doesn't meet the ruquirements it could/should do. |
| 19:37:44 | sideral | As I explained in the tracker discussion, I don't think this feature would go well with with bookmarking |
| 19:38:07 | sideral | Bookmarking takes snapshots of playlists, whereas this feature works on the track level |
| 19:38:21 | sideral | actually both features coexist quite nicely |
| 19:38:30 | AlexP | Yeah, I see it as being complementary |
| 19:38:45 | AlexP | I just wish it didn't force me to have the bloody database up and running |
| 19:38:48 | AlexP | + :) |
| 19:38:58 | saratoga | I reveiwed the playback.c changes and they look fine to me |
| 19:39:08 | saratoga | the database is the correct way to do this |
| 19:39:18 | saratoga | having a duplicate of the database for resuming is not a good approach |
| 19:39:48 | the_Kyle | I hadn't planned to file a bug report against the patch. Sorry for the confusion. The voicing of track info/file properties/playlist view should be done independently of fs#11541, but I was hoping the patch would partialy address the issue for now. |
| 19:39:49 | AlexP | well as I say, I'm not going to do anythign about it, so I'm won't object overly. I'm just registering my dislike :) |
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| 19:40:12 | saratoga | sideral: this reminds me, what happens if you try to resume a track thats not in the database (because autoupdate is off) |
| 19:40:33 | sideral | You guys should be proud of your database. It's better than any other player's DB I've ever seen |
| 19:40:43 | AlexP | One of the nice things about Rockbox is that it lets you do stuff without forcing a sodding database on you. But if it isn't doable sensibly without, then OK |
| 19:40:48 | AlexP | sideral: That isn't saying much |
| 19:41:02 | webguest47 | does rockbox copy music slower? is that due to the highe file quality? |
| 19:41:06 | saratoga | is there any real cost aside from a bit of audio buffer to having the database on if you don't use it ? |
| 19:41:09 | sideral | saratoga: It wouldn't save/restore bookmarks in this case |
| 19:41:19 | saratoga | ok |
| 19:41:20 | sideral | Just like the runtimedb data wouldn't get loaded/saved |
| 19:41:28 | AlexP | So it really forces you to waste RAM on having the database loaded to ram? |
| 19:41:33 | saratoga | i wonder if it would be possible to automatically add tracks to the DB in that case? |
| 19:41:37 | AlexP | As autoupdate doesn't work otherwise |
| 19:41:52 | [Saint] | webguest47: You're being a little vague, rockbox won't magically make your music higher quality. |
| 19:42:00 | AlexP | Quite a lot of RAM with lots of files |
| 19:42:21 | Torne | Yeah, my db is 1.6MB |
| 19:42:22 | sideral | saratoga: Nice idea! |
| 19:43:08 | saratoga | yeah but is it reasonable to do? i'm not sure if you can just call the metadata update function on random files |
| 19:43:15 | AlexP | Mind you, if it isn't loaded to RAM there would be a 5 second pause before starting any track |
| 19:43:17 | saratoga | although actually maybe you can |
| 19:43:18 | webguest47 | okay, well in itunes it would take maybe an hour or so to copy like 6gb of music, and I notice that rockbox is not recognized by itunes, so I just copy and pasted the playlist into the HDD state of the ipod |
| 19:43:31 | AlexP | So you are pretty much forced to load it to RAM |
| 19:43:43 | Torne | webguest47: our usb mass storage implementation is not as fast as the OF on all models, unfortunatey |
| 19:43:45 | sideral | saratoga: I haven't looked into that yet, it's outside the scope of my patch |
| 19:44:01 | saratoga | AlexP: why can't you just leave it on disk and use the file browser? |
| 19:44:13 | saratoga | surely having to spin up the disk on track change isn't a serious issue |
| 19:44:22 | AlexP | saratoga: As if it checks the database on every resume it'll have to spin up the disk |
| 19:44:30 | AlexP | Which doesn't happen with dircache |
| 19:44:47 | AlexP | So you browse, select a file, then have to wait for a disk spin up for it to check resume points |
| 19:44:55 | webguest47 | oh, well i geuss thats the trade off of essentially unlocking and rejuvenating my ipod photo |
| 19:45:11 | sideral | well, it has the same overhead / requirement as the runtime DB / autoscoring features |
| 19:45:17 | Torne | webguest47: you can boot the original firmware if you want, or the disk mode |
| 19:45:31 | AlexP | sideral: Which aren't things you would want without the db, this you would IMO |
| 19:45:37 | Torne | webguest47: it doesn't matter which mode it's in when you copy files over, it's all the same filesystem |
| 19:45:56 | webguest47 | its in diskmode right now, and wins est. the trans at 10h+ |
| 19:46:09 | saratoga | ah i see what you're getting at |
| 19:46:20 | sideral | AlexP: I understand that you want this feature, but I see no way of providing it cleanly without the DB. The normal bookmarking feature is your best bet. |
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| 19:46:28 | [Saint] | well...if it's in diskmode...it's using Apple code. |
| 19:46:34 | [Saint] | webguest47: ^ |
| 19:46:39 | saratoga | then yes in that case having a way to auto enter tracks into the database would be nice, then you could have a database in RAM that only contained tracks with resume info, which would likely be quite small |
| 19:46:43 | Torne | webguest47: the disk mode is not our code, and it may also be slower than the original firmware |
| 19:46:50 | gevaerts | Wait, what does "diskmode" mean here? |
| 19:46:53 | AlexP | saratoga: Yes, that'd be nice |
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| 19:47:04 | AlexP | I'd live with that :) |
| 19:47:11 | GodEater | kugel: I got it working again after I upgraded my ndk to r5 like you |
| 19:47:25 | saratoga | in the long run also having a way to load only parts of the DB into RAM might be nice |
| 19:47:43 | GodEater | kugel: although I still think some of the scripts need updating, as they're looking for adb in the wrong place now, since it moved to platform-tools |
| 19:47:47 | webguest47 | yeah im new to this hacking mp3 player thing |
| 19:47:49 | sideral | What are the typical RAM sizes of players nowadays? |
| 19:47:56 | saratoga | 8-64MB |
| 19:48:03 | Torne | or 2MB |
| 19:48:06 | saratoga | although its all over the place |
| 19:48:17 | saratoga | i don't expect to see any new players with less then 8 |
| 19:48:22 | AlexP | so having to load a full 1.6 MB database to disk is a bit of a waste on low mem player |
| 19:48:37 | Torne | webguest47: there's three different ways to connect the ipod as a disk: under the original apple firmware, under the apple emergency disk mode (select+play on start), or under rockbox |
| 19:48:42 | saratoga | yeah but you probably won't have so large of a db on a clip since it has 4GB of storage space |
| 19:48:46 | Torne | webguest47: all three of these will likely run at different speeds |
| 19:48:50 | saratoga | unless you fill it with nothing but SPC files :) |
| 19:48:55 | AlexP | saratoga: fuze are 8GB + 32 GB microSD |
| 19:48:59 | Torne | Yeah, my 1.6MB database is from 60GB of files ;) |
| 19:49:03 | saratoga | Fuze is 8MB |
| 19:49:16 | AlexP | yeah, so a quarter of RAM on the db (I exagerate a little) |
| 19:49:23 | saratoga | which is fine |
| 19:49:29 | saratoga | its a flash player, the RAM is useless otherwise |
| 19:49:30 | AlexP | yes, on flash I suppose so |
| 19:49:42 | saratoga | as long as its not 100% of the ram we're ok |
| 19:50:03 | AlexP | Either way, I would much prefer the adding files to an otherwise empty db thing |
| 19:50:04 | saratoga | the only target where that might be a serious problem is the c200v2, but fortunately no one on Earth has that target |
| 19:50:08 | AlexP | If possible |
| 19:50:23 | sideral | AlexP: How would you ever make the resume positions persistent without spinning up the disk? |
| 19:50:26 | gevaerts | This wouldn't be the first feature we have that requires the database |
| 19:50:32 | webguest47 | it shows up as like a 60gb "ext. drive" on my pc, before i nuked the original ipod os i check that enable disk box |
| 19:50:46 | saratoga | you'd probably have to have some way to cache DB entries in RAM for all tracks on the current playlist |
| 19:50:58 | saratoga | basically integrate buffering and the DB more tightly |
| 19:51:14 | saratoga | i'm not sure how good of an idea that is though given the endless problems we have with buffering issues |
| 19:51:14 | AlexP | sideral: I basically object to having to have the full db loaded to ram |
| 19:51:18 | * | gevaerts suspects that AlexP doesn't use picturefow :) |
| 19:51:27 | AlexP | Instead of just those that have resume points |
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| 19:51:31 | AlexP | gevaerts: indeed not :) |
| 19:51:37 | saratoga | IMO one of the nice things about the database is that its *not* tightly coupled to the mess that is buffering.c and playback.c |
| 19:51:55 | * | sideral agrees with saratoga |
| 19:52:04 | [Saint] | webguest47: what do you mean "before i nuked the original ipod os"? |
| 19:52:13 | saratoga | it also helps that it was sanely designed by one person, rather then organically evolved over the course of a decade by 100 different people |
| 19:52:18 | [Saint] | You do realise the Apple FW is still there, right? |
| 19:52:24 | [Saint] | webguest47: ^ |
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| 19:52:37 | webguest47 | i cleared all the files off of the ipod when it was in disk mode |
| 19:52:46 | [Saint] | that does nothing. |
| 19:52:51 | webguest47 | the size of those files was a little more than the music |
| 19:52:52 | webguest47 | ... |
| 19:52:52 | [Saint] | like literally nothing. |
| 19:52:56 | AlexP | saratoga: Do you know if your add individual files idea is possible? |
| 19:53:03 | gevaerts | I would object to adding features that require the database without thinking about it, but if it appears that dropping the database requirement makes the feature less useful or feasible, then I don't see a problem |
| 19:53:12 | saratoga | i'm not sure i don't understand the guts of the database yet |
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| 19:53:28 | [Saint] | webguest47: all you did was clear the music you laoded with iTunes out...that is all. |
| 19:53:45 | sideral | BTW, jdgordon commented that my patch 0001 (to english.lang) should be done differently |
| 19:53:46 | webguest47 | dammit |
| 19:53:46 | AlexP | saratoga: Well, if it is doable I'd much prefer that - it keeps the patch as it is without unduly imposing on non database people |
| 19:53:46 | [Saint] | the next time you boot the OF, those files (minus the music) will be there again. |
| 19:53:52 | [Saint] | the OF always recreates them. |
| 19:53:56 | AlexP | saratoga: If it isn't then I'll shut up :) |
| 19:54:02 | kugel | AlexP: surely the disk needs to spin anyway for resuming? |
| 19:54:05 | sideral | by deprecating the old value first, then introducing a new one |
| 19:54:10 | saratoga | it should probably be a separate patch after the main one goes in |
| 19:54:15 | AlexP | kugel: er, er, shut up! |
| 19:54:15 | sideral | can anyone be somewhat more specific? |
| 19:54:39 | AlexP | kugel: I can't believe that a) I didn't think of that and that b) nobody pointed it out :) |
| 19:54:44 | saratoga | sideral: basically you need to be careful when changing the lang strings so that people who have voice files already generated don't end up with broken voice (and no easy way to fix it) |
| 19:54:45 | kugel | dircache only caches the filesystem part, not actual file data |
| 19:54:48 | webguest47 | okay from what I get from this is that the original Ipod OS is saved to some sort of like ROM memory? |
| 19:54:49 | AlexP | yes |
| 19:54:54 | AlexP | @ kugel |
| 19:55:01 | webguest47 | and it just dual boots with rockbox |
| 19:55:04 | kugel | I was wondering too why nobody pointed it out :P |
| 19:55:13 | sideral | I thought I specifically wasn't changing any lang IDs |
| 19:55:16 | saratoga | unfortunately i don't know anything about voice, although other people here do |
| 19:55:19 | AlexP | OK, then in that case I withdraw my objections |
| 19:55:37 | AlexP | I don't mind initialising the db on disk, I objected to the waste of RAM |
| 19:56:04 | sideral | excellent, thanks AlexP :) |
| 19:56:05 | kugel | GodEater: the commit message said r5 is now required |
| 19:56:17 | [Saint] | webguest47: the original firmware is on a seperate partition on the disk. |
| 19:56:35 | sideral | How does one deprecate a lang item? |
| 19:56:35 | saratoga | actually i wonder if we could just call add_tagcache on files that weren't in the database as we found them |
| 19:56:36 | GodEater | kugel: well I never said it wasn't me being dumb ;) |
| 19:56:46 | GodEater | in fact, I absolutely assumed I was |
| 19:56:54 | kugel | hehe ok :) |
| 19:56:58 | GodEater | :D |
| 19:57:01 | AlexP | sideral: And btw, I hope I didn't come across as unduly negative, we all appreciate more contributions. I just wanted to check it through :) |
| 19:57:30 | sideral | saratoga: Sounds like a nice second project −− once my first one commits ;) |
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| 19:57:53 | sideral | AlexP: No worries −− no offense taken! |
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| 19:59:14 | Slasheri | saratoga: you could call add_tagcache() whenever db has been locked and prepared for adding new files. And commit() when all files have been added. |
| 19:59:28 | saratoga | wow Slasheri |
| 19:59:33 | kugel | Slasheri: hey o/ |
| 19:59:36 | saratoga | i didn't know you were still around |
| 19:59:39 | Slasheri | hi :) |
| 19:59:44 | Slasheri | yes, i am still here ;) |
| 19:59:51 | kugel | he's got database and tagcache on his ping word list :) |
| 19:59:58 | Slasheri | just watching around |
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| 20:00:02 | AlexP | good god, ghosts! |
| 20:00:04 | saratoga | so basically check that the db is init'ed and then call add_tagcache() ? |
| 20:00:16 | saratoga | Slasheri: we finally have database logging |
| 20:00:20 | AlexP | sideral: Slasheri implemented the db btw |
| 20:00:26 | saratoga | i've already fixed one metadata parser crash with it |
| 20:00:36 | sideral | AlexP: I know :) |
| 20:00:44 | Slasheri | saratoga: i saw that and that looks perfect (because it can be enabled/disabled by user so there is no performance penalty) |
| 20:01:02 | Slasheri | hi sideral :) |
| 20:01:07 | saratoga | i think we should be able to greatly improve the stability of the database building process shortly |
| 20:01:43 | sideral | Hi Slasheri, thanks for chiming in! |
| 20:01:47 | saratoga | Slasheri: do you know anything about the occasional reports people have of duplicated db entries? |
| 20:01:49 | webguest47 | okay so after the itunes disk mode activation and the rockbox install |
| 20:02:00 | Slasheri | saratoga: you should check tagcache_build(), it has all the initialization necessary before using add_tagcache() |
| 20:02:02 | webguest47 | you need to take it out of HDD mode |
| 20:02:08 | webguest47 | ? |
| 20:02:54 | Slasheri | saratoga: still that issue? no idea, but is there some specific bug reports? |
| 20:03:12 | saratoga | rarely someone reports it |
| 20:03:24 | kugel | GodEater: wanna try http://pastie.org/1373746 ? it makes list items bigger |
| 20:03:32 | kugel | more thumb friendly |
| 20:03:33 | saratoga | if i got a copy of the tagcache files is there some way to parse them and see what happened? |
| 20:03:34 | Slasheri | interesting.. so those are real duplicates on the db, not just duplicate files on disk? |
| 20:03:40 | sideral | Slasheri, have you had a chance to look at my resume patch (FS #11748)? |
| 20:03:47 | saratoga | i'm not sure |
| 20:04:21 | kugel | the last case of duplicated entries I had was indeed duplicated files (scanning the same dir twice due to symlinks) |
| 20:04:31 | Slasheri | saratoga: it would be best if you could find a way to reproduce that issue reliable |
| 20:05:05 | saratoga | yeah i'm not even sure if its a real issue |
| 20:05:15 | saratoga | was thinking that looking at the db binary might clear that up |
| 20:05:44 | Slasheri | sideral: i took a quick look over it and personally i would prefer storing that kind of metadata in the db, but obviosly not everybody likes that idea |
| 20:06:29 | kugel | Slasheri: if you have more time can you have a look at http://pastie.org/1373752 ? it introduces search roots to make the db usable on RaaA |
| 20:06:59 | Slasheri | kugel: checking :) |
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| 20:07:32 | sideral | Slasheri: we, |
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| 20:08:02 | kugel | basically, it ignores symlinks, unless they point outside of any of the search roots (in which case the link target is added as another search root). that eliminates symlink loops |
| 20:08:21 | sideral | Slasheri: well, I did not get much strong opposition lately |
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| 20:12:29 | wodz | this looks quite interesting: http://www.fgrim.com/libmsvg/ |
| 20:12:53 | pixelma | what for? |
| 20:13:09 | n1s | sideral: what happens if a file that is played has both the new resume info and a bookmark? |
| 20:13:40 | sideral | The bookmark takes precedence if you use it to play the file |
| 20:14:38 | sideral | If you play the file through some other means (playlist, file browser, from the DB) then the resume position is taken from the DB |
| 20:15:13 | n1s | the manual will need some tweaking then |
| 20:15:55 | webguest47 | hmm its still taking long to copy |
| 20:16:14 | n1s | oh, and, yes the lang changes will break voice files on targets that didn't have the lcd_sleep feature before |
| 20:16:14 | webguest47 | but now i can use my ipod as a remote in itune |
| 20:16:19 | gevaerts | sideral: what if a file with stored resume position appears in a playlist? Where does it start? |
| 20:16:19 | pixelma | sideral: and if all the files in your list have a resume info will it take the old for each and every file so I may only get half a file each? |
| 20:16:21 | sideral | n1s: definitely. I am standing by with any manual changes until I know what exactly will be accepted |
| 20:16:32 | n1s | sideral: cool |
| 20:17:24 | pixelma | the_Kyle: how do you propose speaking all the different info that comes from the tags - there would be a lot of talk clips for each or something else? |
| 20:17:39 | sideral | gaeverts: It depends on your configuration ;) It can be resumed or started anew, depending on whether it's a "resumable" file. What constitutes a "resumable" track is configurable |
| 20:18:14 | AlexP | I would have thought that I would want to be asked if I click on a file, and that it played from the start if in a playlist |
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| 20:18:28 | sideral | gaeverts: It can be all files in a subhierarchy (/PODCASTS/*), a genre tag ("audiobook"), or a heuristic based on the length of the tracj |
| 20:18:36 | [Saint] | AlexP: Same. |
| 20:18:46 | Slasheri | sideral: the only thing i am worried about that the master index db file size is growing constantly when new tags/"columns" are added. Probably that is not a problem currently but if it keeps growing.. At some point it could be necessary to separate some of those tags into a new db file/"table" that is kept on disk all the time |
| 20:18:49 | [Saint] | I'd like to be prompted if a track can be resumed. |
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| 20:19:02 | [Saint] | and start anew if I siamiss the prompt |
| 20:19:16 | [Saint] | siamiss? |
| 20:19:19 | [Saint] | *dissmiss |
| 20:19:30 | sideral | AlexP: the behavior is different /separately configurable for manual track start vs automatic track change |
| 20:19:38 | [Saint] | *dismiss, even. |
| 20:19:40 | AlexP | sideral: excellent :) |
| 20:19:49 | pixelma | [Saint]: on potentially every track? |
| 20:20:02 | [Saint] | personally, yes. |
| 20:20:20 | saratoga | we don't generally prompt people during playback do we? |
| 20:20:25 | sideral | AlexP: I have not yet added a dialog "resume this track?" yet, mostly because there was no demand, but also because I couldn't get to work right ) |
| 20:21:03 | [Saint] | something *really* nice would be a WPS tag that could notify you that the next track is resumable from your definition of what a resumable track is. |
| 20:21:03 | AlexP | A prompt would be nice, but a workaround would be to set resume then skip to the beginning if wanted |
| 20:21:13 | [Saint] | and I'm pretty sure that'd be possible. |
| 20:21:24 | sideral | Saint, AlexP: I suggest to try the feature first, I predict you won't miss the prompt |
| 20:21:48 | saratoga | yeah skipping to the beginning is pretty simple |
| 20:21:57 | sideral | AlexP: yeah. BTW, there's also a setting to prevent skipping back to the start to avoid ever losing a resume position |
| 20:22:01 | kugel | I find the idea horrible that I need to "click away" promts during playback, or that the next tracks start in the middle on automatic track change |
| 20:22:02 | saratoga | plus it seems weird to do that in an audio book which is what I think this is mostly going to be used for? |
| 20:22:13 | [Saint] | sideral: to be perfectly honest, I'll only use it for testing. it's not really my cup of tea. |
| 20:22:24 | AlexP | sideral: Yeah, it isn't a deal breaker :) |
| 20:22:30 | sideral | kugel: there could be a prompt at manual track start, but not at automatic track change |
| 20:22:43 | saratoga | we should get the core feature working nicely, and then worry about tweaking the UI |
| 20:22:59 | kugel | does that come before or after the annoying "delete dynamic playlist" one? :) |
| 20:23:05 | AlexP | saratoga: indeed |
| 20:23:26 | sideral | :) |
| 20:23:27 | [Saint] | kugel: You don;t turn that off |
| 20:23:33 | Slasheri | kugel: the idea with the search root patch is to avoid scanning the same directory multiple times? |
| 20:23:33 | [Saint] | that prompt is pointless. |
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| 20:23:42 | AlexP | kugel: well, you can turn that off, and as sideral's patch lets you set manual vs. automatic track change behaviour, you can there too |
| 20:23:49 | kugel | Slasheri: that, and infinite symlink loops |
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| 20:23:57 | Slasheri | kugel: ok |
| 20:25:58 | Slasheri | that would make sense for RaaA.. hmm, what is the status of the N900 port? :) maybe i should check that too |
| 20:26:03 | sideral | Slasheri: I agree that we could split out columns if this ever becomes a problem |
| 20:26:54 | Slasheri | sideral: indeed.. i think some columns, such as the resume info, could lie on the hd not consuming ram |
| 20:28:42 | Buschel | TheSeven: did you see my comment regarding LCD_PHTIME and DRAM/IRAM? |
| 20:28:48 | kugel | Slasheri: do you think it's a good approach or can you think of something better? |
| 20:29:37 | TheSeven | Buschel: it's not true for DMA ;) |
| 20:29:50 | Buschel | TheSeven: do you think it is ok to set LCD_PHTIME = 0x22 for all lcd_type 1? |
| 20:29:55 | Slasheri | kugel: well, the most simple approach would be to ignore symlinks alltogether :) |
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| 20:30:11 | TheSeven | and for non-dma i'm getting rather bad fps rates anyway (still need to figure out the cause) |
| 20:30:20 | Buschel | TheSeven: what fps do you reach via DMA combined with LCD_PHTIME = 0x00? |
| 20:30:24 | kugel | Slasheri: but that would break on my system (and probably a lot more others) |
| 20:30:31 | Slasheri | kugel: hmm, why? |
| 20:30:34 | TheSeven | the same as you from IRAM, and slightly less from DRAM |
| 20:30:56 | kugel | my music isn't on my $HOME partition |
| 20:31:02 | Buschel | TheSeven: have you seen my updated v09 patch in FS #11807? |
| 20:31:09 | kugel | but I have a symlink to it in $HOME |
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| 20:31:28 | Slasheri | kugel: what about adding an option to specify the root location of music? |
| 20:31:31 | TheSeven | yes |
| 20:31:36 | Buschel | TheSeven: this one reaches your IRAM/DMA based number from DRAM with some simple asm |
| 20:33:33 | TheSeven | Buschel: http://pastie.org/1373860 |
| 20:33:49 | TheSeven | i can't see how this could be further optimized |
| 20:33:57 | kugel | Slasheri: I even thought about having multiple configurable roots |
| 20:34:39 | Slasheri | i think that could be useful option to have anyway.. |
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| 20:34:48 | kugel | but yea, even a single root would be nice, but that doesn't solve the problem |
| 20:35:07 | Slasheri | the second approach could be to follow all symlinks and limit the directory scanning depth |
| 20:35:37 | * | Buschel does not understand TheSevens asm :/ |
| 20:35:43 | Slasheri | probably not many audio players even on pc support the case where there is a symlink loop |
| 20:36:03 | Slasheri | in that aspect that feature could be even overkill :) |
| 20:36:16 | TheSeven | Buschel: this is for filling the LCD with a constant color |
| 20:36:17 | kugel | I've never had that problem with any other audio player at least |
| 20:36:32 | Slasheri | and you had loops? |
| 20:36:34 | TheSeven | the color is loaded into r0 in the first line, r5 is the number of remaining pixels |
| 20:36:40 | kugel | yes |
| 20:36:44 | TheSeven | r12 is the address of the LCD_WDATA reg |
| 20:37:19 | kugel | well, when the search begins in / anyway, I haven't tried with another root without the patch |
| 20:37:32 | kugel | but with that patch our db is able to scan all my file systems |
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| 20:38:53 | Slasheri | kugel: i think that for all targets there could be an option to specify the root. And when symlinks are supported, at least ignore them or use that more sophisticated patch you made |
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| 20:40:04 | kugel | there was never demand for a search root on daps, and I guess it would even hurt on targets with external storage |
| 20:40:40 | kugel | scanning everything on fat(32) where there're no symlinks is reasonable imo |
| 20:40:48 | Slasheri | hmm.. or multiple roots perhaps? |
| 20:41:08 | Buschel | TheSeven: coming back to my question from above -> do you think it is reasonable to assume LCD_PHTIME=0x22 is ok for lcd_type==1? |
| 20:42:24 | Slasheri | kugel: ok, probably targets would not benefit from that feature.. but as an application, you could want to specify the location where you keep your music collection |
| 20:42:59 | Slasheri | because some phone for example could have many audio clips and ringtones you wouldn't want the db to scan |
| 20:43:26 | TheSeven | Buschel: actually even 0x00 seems to work on the two LDS176-like types, at least on the ones it was tested on |
| 20:43:34 | kugel | we already have "start filebrowser here" (obviously meant to point to the music dir), perhaps merge that with the db root? |
| 20:43:47 | TheSeven | apple sets it to 0x22 for the LDS and 0x88 (IIUC) for the ILI |
| 20:43:55 | Buschel | TheSeven: hehe, risky approach? ;) |
| 20:44:13 | Buschel | (I am talking of svn) |
| 20:44:26 | kugel | although I would probably want the filebrowser start path differently (e.g. to ~, while the database would start at ~/Music) if the database gets it right |
| 20:45:35 | Slasheri | i would be happy to have one option to specify the db root (but i think some users might have separate collections on phone memory and memory card for example) |
| 20:45:48 | TheSeven | Buschel: I've committed 0x00 for all types to emBIOS HEAD, so we'll see if anyone complains over there |
| 20:46:01 | Buschel | TheSeven: well, I could set it to 0x22 and add the asm stuff. then I could change LCD_PHTIME to 0x00 in a second submit. this would allow better bisecting if something goes wrong... |
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| 20:48:11 | * | [Saint] thinks Buschel should look at Nano2G runtime, an increase of +252% there would be awesome ;) |
| 20:48:51 | Buschel | well, we would only need to reduce the current consumption by a few mA :) |
| 20:49:07 | sideral | I need to leave in about 5 min. Any final thoughts on what needs to be done next towards getting the resume patch accepted? |
| 20:49:31 | * | TheSeven would just wait for some more testing results |
| 20:50:30 | Buschel | well, the asm would not change anything, it just prepares for the next level (submitting 0x00). |
| 20:56:35 | kugel | GodEater: seen my question? |
| 20:58:12 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28824): FS #11807 - Major speedup of iPod nano 2G. Part 5: Introduce asm for RGB screen updates, set LCD_PHTIME to Apple's default for LDS176 type LCD's. |
| 20:58:39 | GodEater | kugel: yep |
| 20:58:50 | GodEater | haven't had a chance to apply it yet |
| 20:59:29 | kugel | no problem |
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| 21:00:16 | CIA-7 | r28824 build result: All green |
| 21:01:43 | GodEater | kugel, I'm building it now |
| 21:01:52 | GodEater | did jdgordon's auto screen size patch make it in yet? |
| 21:02:06 | kugel | no |
| 21:02:23 | GodEater | is it broken? :) |
| 21:02:56 | kugel | no, I think it even works fine, it doesn't solve the problems :) |
| 21:03:36 | GodEater | it works, but doesn't solve the problem? |
| 21:03:39 | * | GodEater is confused |
| 21:04:02 | kugel | themes are still resolution dependant, especially the bitmaps |
| 21:04:10 | GodEater | ah of course |
| 21:04:15 | sideral | Leaving now. Thanks for the comments & support! |
| 21:04:24 | GodEater | I'm getting increasingly stupid in my old age |
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| 21:13:51 | pixelma | and with our current range of display specs, that's for the better |
| 21:17:39 | kugel | :? |
| 21:18:38 | GodEater | kugel: looks pretty sweet :) |
| 21:20:40 | kugel | GodEater: how many lines do you have on the screen? |
| 21:20:55 | GodEater | 8 I think |
| 21:20:56 | kugel | I made the line height dpi dependant |
| 21:21:06 | GodEater | not including the status bar |
| 21:21:13 | GodEater | hang on |
| 21:21:17 | GodEater | I'll get you a screenshot |
| 21:21:29 | kugel | ah cool |
| 21:21:52 | pixelma | just my really really high doubts that you can take e.g. an 240x320 colour theme and get a nice and working result on a 128x64 monochrome screen if any automated way |
| 21:22:01 | pixelma | especially not on a DAP |
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| 21:22:37 | kugel | color vs monochrome is not fair |
| 21:22:49 | pixelma | look at the greyscale tango icons and you know what I mean |
| 21:23:19 | Llorean | Having just looked at 11748, I really don't like it from the description |
| 21:23:39 | kugel | I think you could actually make a unified 320x480 and 480x800 pretty nicely with a bit of smarts |
| 21:23:44 | Llorean | Is it really wanted/intended for a playlist to resume every file in the playlist that's over a certain length, seeming to skip around in various partially listened files? |
| 21:23:45 | kugel | both colors |
| 21:23:47 | GodEater | kugel: yhm |
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| 21:24:59 | pixelma | well, maybe slightly smaller or larger and the same colour depth could work, you get trouble with different orientation and already different proportion |
| 21:25:33 | pixelma | and if I see how full blown PC programmes sometimes handle resizing I really think it's not worth it |
| 21:26:03 | pixelma | maybe you can add something to the theme editor |
| 21:27:10 | GodEater | get the email ok kugel? |
| 21:27:22 | kugel | yep |
| 21:27:41 | GodEater | look as you intended? |
| 21:28:07 | kugel | ah, the icons are still ridiculously tiny :) |
| 21:28:23 | GodEater | hehe |
| 21:28:33 | GodEater | that they are |
| 21:28:40 | GodEater | I should turn them off :) |
| 21:28:56 | kugel | I'm using [Saint]'s 24x24 currently |
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| 21:29:51 | kugel | GodEater: but yea, it looks about right |
| 21:31:22 | GodEater | cool |
| 21:31:27 | GodEater | ShootMe is a useful app :) |
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| 21:36:10 | wodz | anyone have a bright idea how to force full ata initialization (except thread creation) on usb unplug? |
| 21:37:08 | the_Kyle | pixelma: So far, we spell things when we don't have talk clips. I'm not sure how to implement this cleanly, but anything is better than getting lost in the playlist or not being able to hear info for the current track. |
| 21:38:52 | the_Kyle | File properties should be easier, since it's probably mostly strings that can be voiced and numbers and such, although I don't know what's printed on that screen, so I could be wrong about that. |
| 21:40:51 | kugel | did we ever consider drawing the icons over the line selector? |
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| 21:54:27 | * | the_Kyle proposes adding voice capabilities to file properties and adding filename spelling or talk clip announcement to fs#1141. |
| 21:55:31 | the_Kyle | For view playlist, I just need to know what file I'm on, so talk clip announcement or filename spelling should work there as well. |
| 21:56:59 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28825): Speedup of iPod nano 2G YUV blitting by 3%. |
| 21:58:57 | CIA-7 | r28825 build result: All green |
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| 22:08:18 | AlexP | kugel: hehe, those icons are ridiculous :) |
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| 22:12:58 | wodz | I have pretty hacky workaround which makes usb bridge work in rockbox for HD300 :-) |
| 22:13:07 | CIA-7 | New commit by b0hoon (r28826): HDD6330: implement initialization and inversion of lcd. |
| 22:13:12 | CIA-7 | New commit by Buschel (r28827): Add short sleep after wakeup of LDS176 type LCD to avoid occasional shift of first full screen update. |
| 22:15:13 | CIA-7 | r28826 build result: All green |
| 22:16:51 | wodz | Am I correct that if I write some pattern to ATA regs (as in check_registers()) than pull ATA_RESET line low, release and read registers this should not match? |
| 22:17:15 | CIA-7 | r28827 build result: All green |
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| 22:32:51 | n1s | saratoga: another part of the codeclib mdct that could be done better on targets that don't have very limited iram is the doubling, increasing the output buffer by 1/4 it's current size should let us only do half as much copying and also simplify it quite a bit |
| 22:33:46 | n1s | I was looking into trying to do both mdct doubling and windowing at the same time for tremor but havent' gotten the pointer math right yet in the second half where it is copying and reversing in place at the same time |
| 22:34:27 | n1s | if both of those can be done, a lot less memory accesses will be done |
| 22:35:16 | Dreamxtreme | forgive me if this is somewhere obvious but im a little overwhelmed by all the options but is there a way to add a instant shuffle play option to the main menu? |
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| 22:38:47 | SuspectZero | hey there |
| 22:40:51 | SuspectZero | so i have an ipod 5.5g. i use to be into the whole ipl and rockbox and muliboot and what not phase but since then ive decided to just go with a regular ipod. today, i would i like to install a linux distro to my ipod (so i can use it as a portable hd) while retainging the ipod firmware and rockbox (just got a lot of .flav files :D) |
| 22:41:34 | SuspectZero | my question is, what would be the method of attack? format ipod > resize fat32 partition > create 2 new partitions (one for boot and one for gentoo)? |
| 22:41:51 | SuspectZero | or am i missing a step in there somewhere? |
| 22:42:11 | SuspectZero | s/.flav/.flac |
| 22:42:51 | n1s | SuspectZero: this isn't really rockbox related, you are however very welcome to discuss anything in #rockbox-community |
| 22:43:09 | SuspectZero | ah apologies |
| 22:43:46 | SuspectZero | n1s: thanks for the heads up :) |
| 22:43:53 | n1s | no problem |
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| 23:54:08 | JdGord | Pixelma: dynamic screen size has nothing to do with auto resizing themes |
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| 23:55:41 | JdGord | kugel: plugins are the maybe reason against the single build, but that really is a non issue currently |
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| 23:57:55 | pixelma | kugel brought up the relation to themes |
| 23:58:26 | JdGord | Ring |
| 23:58:43 | JdGord | Grr... he Is wrong |
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