| 00:00:15 | kugel | or I didn't check if it's even runnable, or maybe I didn't handle all the other important bits as well :) |
| 00:01:09 | jhMikeS | there's alot of important bits, like what if it exits while urgent. the core then needs updating. it needs to be irq and core safe too if it's use elsewhere. there's probably a dozen or so spots to add a tiny bit of code to handle it. |
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| 00:01:43 | kugel | I definitely didn't add that much code :P |
| 00:04:15 | jhMikeS | blocked or not it shouldn't matter really. it could be only a few small spots of code. hmmm... |
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| 00:26:10 | telliott | Anyone use a Clip+?? |
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| 01:17:42 | [AndrewR] | hi, does anyone know how long a tick is in void (*sleep)(int ticks); ? |
| 01:18:23 | JdGord | 1l |
| 01:18:40 | JdGord | Arg... 1/100th of a second |
| 01:19:12 | [AndrewR] | thanks |
| 01:19:23 | [AndrewR] | I used my workout app for the first time at the gym last week :D |
| 01:19:33 | [AndrewR] | it was useful |
| 01:19:52 | [AndrewR] | told me what weight to use, how long to rest between sets |
| 01:20:09 | preglow | there's a workout app? :> |
| 01:20:15 | [AndrewR] | still some bugs to work out then I think I'll make a youtube vid to show, see if anyone else is interested |
| 01:20:19 | [AndrewR] | I made one |
| 01:20:26 | preglow | this is interest |
| 01:21:07 | [AndrewR] | 1 sec |
| 01:21:19 | [AndrewR] | I'm currently on a train with really crappy internet |
| 01:21:39 | [AndrewR] | my app is a combination of a ruby on rails app and rockbox plugin |
| 01:22:04 | preglow | i assume the ruby part isn't rockbox hosted, heh |
| 01:22:16 | [AndrewR] | https://github.com/andrewroth/rockbox_workout/wiki/Brainstorming |
| 01:22:26 | [AndrewR] | no, people have to host that themselves |
| 01:22:49 | [AndrewR] | it's really more a proof of concept / something people with some development skills can set up themselves |
| 01:23:39 | [AndrewR] | https://github.com/andrewroth/rockbox_workout/blob/master/rockbox_source/workout.c |
| 01:23:53 | [AndrewR] | I'm not a C programmer |
| 01:23:53 | [AndrewR] | so it's a bit messy |
| 01:24:04 | [AndrewR] | but it's working on my sansa |
| 01:24:38 | preglow | sounds like a good concept anyway |
| 01:24:45 | preglow | does the rest between sets matter much anyway? :> |
| 01:24:54 | preglow | anywayanywayanyway |
| 01:24:54 | [AndrewR] | but I have actually used it in the gym |
| 01:25:10 | [AndrewR] | no, not the specific time |
| 01:25:11 | [AndrewR] | but I don't want to think when I'm working out |
| 01:25:11 | [AndrewR] | it beeps at me to tell me to go again |
| 01:25:18 | [AndrewR] | I don't like staring at the clock |
| 01:25:29 | preglow | heh, fair point |
| 01:25:32 | [AndrewR] | basically I set up the workouts in the rails app |
| 01:25:49 | [AndrewR] | then the plugin is a workout "player" that has a list of the exercises and sets in your workout |
| 01:25:54 | preglow | yeah, makes sense |
| 01:26:06 | [AndrewR] | and advances through stages: setup, workout, rest.. repeat |
| 01:26:07 | preglow | assuming you're the only person in the gym :> |
| 01:26:11 | [AndrewR] | pretty simple |
| 01:26:17 | [AndrewR] | oh, there's lot of ppl there |
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| 01:26:23 | [AndrewR] | it just looks like I'm messing with my playlist |
| 01:26:38 | [AndrewR] | I use earphones |
| 01:26:40 | preglow | just thinking as long as nothing's taken |
| 01:26:47 | [AndrewR] | oooh |
| 01:26:50 | preglow | there could be a pause button anyway |
| 01:27:01 | preglow | i don't care if i look stupid while working out, so that's not a problem :P |
| 01:27:02 | [AndrewR] | yeah, it's not really flexible for subbing in different exercises on the go |
| 01:27:13 | [AndrewR] | you can skip to a different spot in the workout |
| 01:27:34 | [AndrewR] | I also store the workout data on the pandora, and then sync it with the rails app after |
| 01:27:54 | [AndrewR] | I want to graph my progress |
| 01:28:22 | preglow | yeah, sounds truly sweet |
| 01:28:23 | [AndrewR] | I currently have it at a point where I could do that, if I had more data |
| 01:28:29 | preglow | can you update it if you modify your program on the go? |
| 01:28:44 | [AndrewR] | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 01:29:05 | [AndrewR] | I run a capistrano task to sync the player with my rails db |
| 01:29:18 | preglow | well, deviate from my planned setup, up the weights, run longer |
| 01:29:19 | preglow | etc |
| 01:29:21 | [AndrewR] | it uploads the logs from the player, then downloads any new workout data (exercises, etc) |
| 01:29:26 | preglow | if i decide to do that, i want to have it logged |
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| 01:29:32 | [AndrewR] | ah. no, not there yet :) |
| 01:29:43 | [AndrewR] | you're right, I want that feature too |
| 01:29:51 | [AndrewR] | but I had to trim features to get something working |
| 01:29:56 | [AndrewR] | so right now it's a strict player |
| 01:29:59 | preglow | yeah, but it should be doable |
| 01:30:07 | preglow | and it would be quite killer if possible |
| 01:30:12 | [AndrewR] | if you change it, you have to remember and modify it in the rails app |
| 01:30:12 | preglow | not much else i want to be able to do :) |
| 01:30:13 | [AndrewR] | yeah, it's do-able |
| 01:30:38 | [AndrewR] | it's a bit tricky for me to know how that should work though, with respect to goals |
| 01:30:55 | [AndrewR] | if you change from 50lb to 70lb at the gym, does that change your goal or just log it? |
| 01:31:05 | preglow | hm |
| 01:31:06 | [AndrewR] | either is doable, just not sure yet how that should work |
| 01:31:15 | [AndrewR] | let me make a backup of my rails db |
| 01:31:19 | [AndrewR] | then I'll show you that |
| 01:31:20 | preglow | it should just log it, really |
| 01:31:26 | [AndrewR] | yeah, probably |
| 01:31:41 | preglow | whether i want to change my goal or not would vary a bit |
| 01:31:57 | [AndrewR] | the goals stuff right now are simple linear functions |
| 01:32:05 | [AndrewR] | each workout has an integer number |
| 01:32:06 | preglow | and would not be something i want the app to decide without further input anyway |
| 01:32:07 | [AndrewR] | starting at 0 |
| 01:32:13 | saratoga | preglow: you wrote the EQ code right? |
| 01:32:17 | preglow | saratoga: correct |
| 01:32:25 | preglow | saratoga: at least the dsp part of it, safetydan did the ui part |
| 01:32:26 | [AndrewR] | then you say "weight", 50 + 2*n, kinda thing |
| 01:32:34 | saratoga | i've been meaning to go through and update the ASM for our DSP code for arm9/11 |
| 01:32:41 | saratoga | i had a few questions |
| 01:33:04 | preglow | i remember most of it, so you're in luck |
| 01:33:11 | saratoga | i noticed the replaygain scale values are 32 bit, that could probably be 16 bit, but what about the EQ filter coefficients? |
| 01:33:28 | saratoga | 16 bit is much faster on arm9e and arm11 |
| 01:33:37 | preglow | they could be 16 bit, but not with any ease |
| 01:33:48 | preglow | peaking filters use quite a few bits of integer precision |
| 01:33:53 | preglow | but the frac bits are in many ways what matters |
| 01:34:28 | preglow | and with "peaking" i mean "shelving" |
| 01:34:39 | [AndrewR] | preglow my workout rails app is at http://workout.andrewroth.ca/ please don't modify stuff, it's not passworded :S |
| 01:34:54 | saratoga | i'm not really familiar with the EQ, whats the difference between those? |
| 01:35:10 | preglow | saratoga: peaking has 0db gin at both 0 hz and max hz |
| 01:35:17 | preglow | and whatever you want in between |
| 01:35:18 | [AndrewR] | currently it's simple rails scaffolding, I hope to make it a nicer interface |
| 01:35:29 | preglow | shelving filters have x db gain at either 0 hz or nyquist |
| 01:35:32 | preglow | and 0 at the other end |
| 01:35:45 | saratoga | these are IIR filters? |
| 01:36:39 | preglow | yeah, most eqs are |
| 01:36:51 | saratoga | so rounding errors will compound |
| 01:36:59 | preglow | in a way |
| 01:37:16 | preglow | rounding errors in the coefs will only give a different frequency response |
| 01:37:22 | preglow | with wrong freqs and gains, that kind |
| 01:37:33 | saratoga | hmm |
| 01:37:44 | preglow | rounding errors in the filter calculation will manifest as noise and, with bad luck, as limit cycles |
| 01:37:49 | preglow | which are bad |
| 01:38:01 | preglow | you shouldn't quantize filter coefs to 16 bits unless you really know what you're doing |
| 01:38:04 | preglow | 16 bit audio data is ok |
| 01:38:17 | preglow | [AndrewR]: i'll be good :) |
| 01:38:23 | saratoga | armv5e has a 32x16 multiply accumulate with 32 bit accumulation |
| 01:38:40 | saratoga | so if possible i'd like to use them |
| 01:39:11 | saratoga | i guess if theres no obvious way to use faster multiplies, i could just go through and reschedule for arm9's longer pipeline |
| 01:39:19 | saratoga | the current asm is very arm7ish |
| 01:39:23 | preglow | very |
| 01:39:28 | preglow | that's all i thought of when coding it |
| 01:39:41 | preglow | you can pipeline for arm9 without impacting arm7 very foten |
| 01:39:42 | preglow | often too |
| 01:41:51 | saratoga | pretty much always |
| 01:42:03 | preglow | yep |
| 01:42:12 | saratoga | i dont' think theres anything that benefits arm7 while hurting arm9/9e/11 |
| 01:42:15 | preglow | but yeah, using the new dsp instructions would be very good, they're fast as hell |
| 01:42:24 | preglow | i did think about it, and it won't be trivial |
| 01:42:34 | preglow | quantizing the coefs to 16 bits would be the hard way |
| 01:42:53 | saratoga | i think at 16 bits it'd take about 1MHz per EQ band on the Clip+ |
| 01:43:44 | saratoga | but i guess even without it the eq is so fast its not a big deal |
| 01:44:23 | preglow | heh |
| 01:44:29 | preglow | faster is better ;) |
| 01:44:34 | preglow | i'd def go for 16 bit audio first |
| 01:44:42 | preglow | that's what we mostly use anyway |
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| 01:45:40 | saratoga | heh |
| 01:45:44 | saratoga | yeah that might work |
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| 01:46:04 | saratoga | how far into the DSP engine is the EQ? |
| 01:46:17 | preglow | i really don't remember, quite late i think |
| 01:46:23 | preglow | should be easy to find out from dsp.c |
| 01:47:34 | Guest20103 | i know this has been answered but ipod classic is nearing its life as speculated, wouldnt it be effective to port rockbox to the 6th classic ipods? the iOS has much complicated firmware lock yet there lots of support. |
| 01:47:45 | preglow | Guest20103: effective, yes, easy, no |
| 01:47:51 | jhMikeS | let's just go 8 bits, it should be enough for everyone, the rest is just snake oil *runs and hides* |
| 01:47:58 | Guest20103 | hm, wat makes it different |
| 01:48:01 | Guest20103 | ? |
| 01:48:24 | preglow | saratoga: but yeah, i would definitely recommend going for a 16 bit audio version, you would have no need to think about the filter coefs at all (the tricky part), and the perf gains should be equivalent |
| 01:48:46 | preglow | Guest20103: i don't believe we have any good way of running code on the 6th gen classic |
| 01:48:53 | preglow | i could be wrong here |
| 01:49:11 | saratoga | theres been a way to run code on it for a while, just until now no interest on working on it |
| 01:49:26 | saratoga | TheSeven was working on it, not sure if he still is, hes got like 8 ports going at once :) |
| 01:49:44 | JdGordon| | he's cheating.. all the ports are realy the same hardware |
| 01:50:02 | saratoga | well vaguely similar anyway |
| 01:50:19 | saratoga | preglow: ok i'll probably look at that after i finish libmad |
| 01:50:32 | Guest20103 | so is rockbox and extremely mofified linux port? if it would be atleast have 60% linux... then it would have been ported right, or is it a kernel problem |
| 01:50:39 | saratoga | we're not linux |
| 01:50:49 | saratoga | no idea why people thing we are |
| 01:50:49 | Guest20103 | oh ok then |
| 01:50:55 | saratoga | think |
| 01:51:10 | preglow | saratoga: at least that way you would discover if the gains are worth it without all the fuss with mucking about with filter coefs |
| 01:51:10 | scorche | saratoga: because only insane people would try to write their own OS |
| 01:51:13 | preglow | which can be very messy |
| 01:52:03 | saratoga | well i'm sure i'll get roughly a 2x speed up |
| 01:52:14 | saratoga | if its worth it depends on how much you care about making something fast even faster |
| 01:52:29 | preglow | not so sure about 2x, but worth a shot |
| 01:52:37 | preglow | less than 2x would still be wonderful |
| 01:53:32 | preglow | the 32x16 instructions can function in saturating mode, rite? |
| 01:54:19 | saratoga | i don't think so |
| 01:54:27 | preglow | ah, that might be the 16x16 one |
| 01:54:28 | preglow | s |
| 01:54:39 | jhMikeS | I don't think any multiplies do, just adds and subtracts (if it starts with "q") |
| 01:54:42 | saratoga | usually its 2x since each multiplication takes half as long, and you can load two coefficients per ldr |
| 01:55:00 | preglow | a fair point |
| 01:55:07 | saratoga | although unless we can fold truncation into some earlier step that'll slow things down |
| 01:55:14 | saratoga | and i guess if people want dithering that should be done first |
| 01:55:19 | preglow | yeah, you're right |
| 01:55:21 | saratoga | could be a pain to make this happen actually |
| 01:55:24 | preglow | filter coefs don't need loading |
| 01:55:40 | saratoga | oh because theres so few? |
| 01:55:51 | saratoga | but i guess thats one more reason to do the audio samples |
| 01:56:13 | preglow | not really, if you can fit 2x the coefs into the same space, you _could_ do stereo processing |
| 01:56:16 | preglow | the savings would be immense |
| 01:56:17 | saratoga | 16 bit math is really nice since it basically doubles the number of registers, allowing you to pretend arm is a sane isa |
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| 01:57:06 | saratoga | i always wondered why we were the only people on earth writing stuff in arm asm, then i started doing it and i'm not surprised |
| 01:57:13 | preglow | heh |
| 01:57:16 | saratoga | or rather no longer surprised |
| 01:57:22 | preglow | dsp and asm goes hand in hand |
| 01:57:23 | preglow | always |
| 01:57:27 | preglow | even on x86 |
| 01:58:30 | preglow | anyway, one of my main criteria when writing those asm loops was keeping the coefs in regs at all times |
| 01:58:37 | preglow | so i only have to load samples |
| 01:58:44 | saratoga | yeah makes sense |
| 01:58:50 | preglow | it just about works because they are so few |
| 01:58:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: what were you planning for the full-duplex, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 01:58:57 | preglow | but i had to cut corners in the arm case |
| 01:59:17 | preglow | jhMikeS: nothing major, really, i just bought myself a mixer and wanted to get my fx plug working again |
| 01:59:33 | preglow | but i can't make it work after the api changes |
| 01:59:57 | preglow | probably just me doing stupid shit |
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| 02:00:51 | jhMikeS | Can't do processing in the isr anymore but other than that, it should be ok. since we have pitch detector, doing playback too should be all the same |
| 02:01:16 | preglow | i'm not doing it in the isr, i'm basically still using your old framework plugin, which uses thread and circular buffers |
| 02:01:27 | preglow | threadZ |
| 02:02:10 | preglow | the pitch plugin does much the same thing, but with two buffers instead of 2^x |
| 02:02:16 | preglow | and no playback, ofc |
| 02:02:56 | jhMikeS | yeah, no playback but playback would be the same as any other plugin if it did, so hmmm.... |
| 02:03:29 | preglow | like i said, probably just me doing stupid shit, i just lost all my will and/or ability to debug/hack lowlevel stuff to figure out how and why it fails |
| 02:03:38 | jhMikeS | I made pd do that. at first it was full starting and stopping recording on every frame |
| 02:04:15 | jhMikeS | haha |
| 02:04:22 | preglow | i did look over the last sound api changes and agreed with myself that not enough changed for full duplex to have broken |
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| 02:05:13 | preglow | saratoga: any targets in particular that would benefit from arm5 opts, btw? |
| 02:05:26 | preglow | apart from all the new ones, that is, but they have mhz to burn anyway :P |
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| 02:05:50 | saratoga | preglow: Clipv2/Fuzev2/Clip+/GigabeatS/D2/Android |
| 02:05:56 | saratoga | probably some up and coming targets as well |
| 02:06:03 | * | jhMikeS wasn't aware that there were armv5 with the same dsp instructions as imx31, interesting |
| 02:06:09 | saratoga | i don't think anyone is still making armv4 players |
| 02:06:33 | saratoga | jhMikeS: ARMv5E has most of the DSP instructions as ARMv6 but not all |
| 02:06:56 | saratoga | the arm docs are actually pretty confused with some saying 5E has the v6 ops, but they don't work on my player |
| 02:07:38 | saratoga | so i can't do the top half 32 bit multiply for instance on the clip+ |
| 02:07:38 | preglow | armv6 does the simd 16x16 stuff, no? |
| 02:07:56 | saratoga | yeah it also adds packed 16 bit multiplies, but they're pretty useless for audio IIRC |
| 02:08:02 | saratoga | since i don't think they saturate |
| 02:08:16 | preglow | hm |
| 02:09:21 | preglow | loads of the 32x16 ones seem to update a saturate flag |
| 02:09:29 | preglow | but i dunno how much that helps |
| 02:09:40 | saratoga | actually SMLALD might be useful |
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| 02:09:54 | saratoga | for complex multiplies, but its only 16 bit so rounding might be ugly |
| 02:10:25 | saratoga | heh its a two cycle instruction on arm11 |
| 02:10:42 | saratoga | so not very exciting |
| 02:11:23 | preglow | how i wish people would copy emac |
| 02:11:32 | saratoga | so unless i'm missing something its not even faster then just doing two multiplies |
| 02:11:40 | saratoga | (which would be more accurate) |
| 02:11:51 | preglow | it probably is taking into account loads |
| 02:12:02 | saratoga | yeah theres that |
| 02:12:22 | preglow | memory pretty much always ends up being the limiting factor |
| 02:12:24 | saratoga | IIRC the only reason we use the armv4 motion comp on armv5 is that the armv6 code uses those packed multiplies |
| 02:12:40 | saratoga | maybe i should look and see if the armv6 code is actually faster then just using armv5 ops |
| 02:12:51 | jhMikeS | I think the packed multiplies add to 32 bit accums, iirc |
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| 02:14:50 | saratoga | yeah but one of the operands can be 32 bit, so its still less accurate |
| 02:15:55 | saratoga | oh wait |
| 02:15:58 | jhMikeS | there's stuff like smuad, and then smulwb(t) which is 32X16->48, I think you mean |
| 02:16:07 | saratoga | theres a 16 bit multiply with 64 bit accumulate |
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| 02:17:00 | saratoga | smulwb/smlawb is the main one i've been using for atrac and mp3, its really just a 32 bit accumulate with the top 32 bits of the 48 bit product |
| 02:17:02 | jhMikeS | heh, is there? I don't think ever I needed it for what I did |
| 02:17:11 | saratoga | SMLALxy |
| 02:17:18 | saratoga | "Signed Multiply-Accumulate with 16-bit operands and a 64-bit accumulator. " |
| 02:17:25 | saratoga | beats me what you'd want to use that for |
| 02:17:37 | preglow | saratoga: a very clever scheme, the top bits are what you'd use anyway |
| 02:17:48 | preglow | and basically what we do on emac |
| 02:17:53 | saratoga | yeah smlawb is amazing useful |
| 02:18:03 | saratoga | i can't believe it took until armv6 to get a 32 bit version of it |
| 02:19:04 | preglow | heh |
| 02:19:24 | saratoga | i kind of get the feeling there was one DSP guy at arm ltd before 2002 or so, and everyone there didn't like him because he was creepy |
| 02:19:34 | preglow | if there's one thing i learnt looking at emerging cpu instruction sets, it has to be the fact that instruction set designers never understand what you actually need :P |
| 02:19:37 | preglow | just look at sse |
| 02:19:44 | preglow | and all revisions up and until the very recent ones |
| 02:19:53 | saratoga | i actually don't know anything but arm |
| 02:20:20 | preglow | i'm not an expert, but i always did pc coding, and watched every sse update with great anticipation :P |
| 02:20:31 | preglow | followed by violent bouts of cursing |
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| 02:20:42 | saratoga | i think one of the revisions of sse4 has a multiply accumulate instruction |
| 02:20:49 | preglow | indeed |
| 02:20:50 | jhMikeS | preglow: I thought they did extensive testing to find the most "useful" stuff. :) |
| 02:20:55 | preglow | they got the point in the end |
| 02:21:00 | preglow | amd tho |
| 02:21:07 | preglow | got it in the first version of 3dnow |
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| 02:21:21 | preglow | no wonder those guys were the ones who invented amd64 |
| 02:21:25 | saratoga | whatever their post SSE ISA is called is supposed to have 256 packed multiply accumulates, so i guess that doesn't suck |
| 02:21:32 | saratoga | 256 nbit |
| 02:21:34 | saratoga | bit |
| 02:21:50 | saratoga | (sorry just got contacts and am dizzy) |
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| 02:24:00 | * | jhMikeS just wants to find out why the SPC codec is dead on arm6 when it worked before even after asm upgrades :\ |
| 02:25:13 | saratoga | gcc updates? |
| 02:25:46 | preglow | likely suspect |
| 02:26:37 | jhMikeS | not sure. I'm not sure if somehow I missed the problem with going eabi or not. rockbox just before eabi won't play anything whatsoever it seems. |
| 02:31:47 | saratoga | does the gigabeat S have frequency scaling yet? |
| 02:33:13 | jhMikeS | yes, it's automatic though |
| 02:33:42 | jhMikeS | and voltage. voltage seems to make all the difference for any gain, frequency not much at all |
| 02:34:02 | saratoga | yeah frequency doesn't make much difference on AMSv2 either |
| 02:34:21 | saratoga | is there any way to force a lower max clock? it'd be neat to test arm11 at low clock speeds |
| 02:34:36 | saratoga | also, do you remember what the memory clock is? |
| 02:35:03 | jhMikeS | that's tricky because there's a bug that probibits lowing the core relative to the bus clocks so much |
| 02:35:57 | preglow | i gotta get some sleep done, have a nice night/day guys :) |
| 02:35:58 | jhMikeS | you'd have to reclock it all. right now it just uses divider scaling. pll relock has other issues with the audio |
| 02:36:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: gnight |
| 02:36:18 | saratoga | does it ever run with a divider of 1? |
| 02:36:59 | jhMikeS | saratoga: at high loads. that's overdrive (528MHz) which also needs elevated voltage, which also degrades the chip faster :\ |
| 02:37:29 | saratoga | i mean with the cpu clock and memory clock equal |
| 02:37:56 | saratoga | ideally i'd like to have test codec run with the memory clock sync and with the CPU clock maxed |
| 02:37:56 | jhMikeS | no, the errata apparently prohibit that ratio |
| 02:38:09 | saratoga | whats the smallest one? |
| 02:38:29 | jhMikeS | 2:1 for 132MHz core, 66Mhz memory |
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| 02:39:50 | jhMikeS | it's possible to turn off frequency scaling then set the working point manually. the apis exist in the driver but they're not used atm |
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| 03:54:28 | jhMikeS | is there a define saying if the eabi compiler is being used or not? |
| 03:58:17 | JdGordon| | prob best to ask in #gcc |
| 03:58:28 | JdGordon| | isnt there a #define for the gcc version string? |
| 03:59:45 | jhMikeS | for that, yes. is the number a reliable way though |
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| 04:00:15 | JdGordon| | well considering we specify the compiler to use it is probably safe |
| 04:00:17 | JdGordon| | or good enough |
| 04:00:37 | JdGordon| | just #error out on unknown compiler os it isnt forgotten about |
| 04:00:45 | jhMikeS | I try non-eabi for gigs and the ldmpc macros don't work, nor would the init section |
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| 04:11:28 | [Saint] | What are peoples views about settings/subdirs with only one option...and what to do about them. |
| 04:11:42 | [Saint] | To me, it seems like it could be avoided with some thought. |
| 04:13:25 | [Saint] | My view is that if only one choice is presented to the user, it really isn't a choice at all and just adds noise to the menu. There isn't *too* many places in the menu where this happens, but there is a few. |
| 04:14:25 | JdGordon| | are you sure you want to go down that particular rabbit whole? |
| 04:14:27 | JdGordon| | hole* |
| 04:15:51 | [Saint] | I'm sure it's not *that* much a big deal, no...it makes perfect sense to eliminate cases where there isn't 2 or more choices available. |
| 04:15:56 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: just remember that while a submenu might only one have option on your device, it might have 3 on another |
| 04:16:31 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: I'm aware of that. |
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| 04:16:39 | [Saint] | But, surely that can be compensated for. |
| 04:16:58 | JdGordon| | yes, but it gets complicated to do it more than a few times |
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| 04:17:07 | JdGordon| | it is already done for the time&date screen |
| 04:17:32 | [Saint] | I think it would be worthwhile, once it was done it would be easy to maintain. |
| 04:17:52 | [Saint] | it's just the getting it done initially thing... |
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| 04:19:32 | lwhalen | hey all |
| 04:19:59 | [Saint] | Welcome, if you have a question/query about Rockbox..just ask away. |
| 04:20:12 | lwhalen | I am an unfortunate owner of one of those 120GB iPod Classics, and after some judicious Googling I've found that it's going to be pretty much impossible for RockBox to ever be ported to it |
| 04:20:30 | [Saint] | That is quite incorrect. |
| 04:20:37 | lwhalen | really? |
| 04:20:41 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 04:20:49 | lwhalen | there seems to be no ipod 6G support, per the website... |
| 04:21:00 | [Saint] | While there is no ROckbox port for it, that is not because it is "impossible". |
| 04:21:13 | [Saint] | It simply is a huge amount of work, and isn't done yet. |
| 04:21:23 | lwhalen | more judicious Googling seems to say that it's because the ROM image is encrypted |
| 04:21:40 | lwhalen | so, 'mathematically improbable' might've been the better term :-) |
| 04:22:12 | [Saint] | The Nano2G also has encryption...and a Rockbox port. |
| 04:22:16 | lwhalen | I was wondering, what would you guys recommend for an ipod alternative that holds at least 120GB, and I can hook up to my car stereo's aux input? |
| 04:22:21 | lwhalen | heh, fair enough :-) |
| 04:22:42 | [Saint] | Until not so long ago, there wasn't a known exploit for the Classic but there has been one for some time now. |
| 04:23:02 | lwhalen | ooooo! |
| 04:23:17 | [Saint] | The_Seven has been working on the Classic for ~3 weeks...perhaps longer. |
| 04:23:20 | lwhalen | is there a roadmap/feature request/etc for Classic support? |
| 04:23:24 | * | lwhalen does a happy dance |
| 04:23:28 | [Saint] | And is running arbitrary code for some time. |
| 04:23:48 | lwhalen | well alright then, slap mah 'fro and call me Susan |
| 04:24:17 | [Saint] | To follow the progress of the Classic it would be best to follow the freemyipod wiki/svn |
| 04:24:25 | lwhalen | link? |
| 04:24:51 | saratoga | freemyipod.com |
| 04:24:58 | [Saint] | .org no? |
| 04:25:03 | saratoga | i don't remember |
| 04:25:12 | saratoga | honestly just punch it into google |
| 04:25:56 | [Saint] | emBIOS is really the relevant freemyipod work in this case, though. |
| 04:26:22 | [Saint] | Not sure how up to date the pages are about the Classic work though. |
| 04:26:23 | lwhalen | haha, epic AND awesome |
| 04:26:29 | lwhalen | I think I owe somebody some beer |
| 04:26:48 | [Saint] | My address is on my wiki page ;) |
| 04:27:13 | lwhalen | freemyipod.org seems to think that the Classic 2G (which I believe is what I own - 120GB) is coming along nicely |
| 04:27:17 | lwhalen | saint - link? |
| 04:27:35 | [Saint] | I was kinda kidding... |
| 04:28:13 | * | lwhalen shrugs |
| 04:28:22 | lwhalen | y'all should have Amazon/B&N wishlists up ;-) |
| 04:28:44 | saratoga | if you want to donate, send someone on that project an ipod |
| 04:28:46 | [Saint] | Rockbox has a donate button on the mainpage. |
| 04:29:18 | JdGordon| | lwhalen: you can buy me a archos 101 if you want? :D |
| 04:29:33 | lwhalen | this brings me back to my original question... |
| 04:29:55 | lwhalen | what would you guys recommend for an ipod alternative that holds at least 120GB, and I can hook up to my car stereo's aux input? about the same size/portability as an ipod classic would be ideal |
| 04:30:01 | [Saint] | but, indeed...that work just basically wouldnl't exist if some kind soul didn't send a slightly messed up Classic to The_Seven to work on. |
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| 04:30:38 | [Saint] | lwhalen: An iPod Video? |
| 04:30:44 | saratoga | lwhalen: this isn't really the right place to ask about mp3 players, try rockbox-community |
| 04:30:49 | [Saint] | Or..did you specifically not want an iPod? |
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| 04:31:03 | lwhalen | saratoga - my apologies, I take it this is more of a dev-centric channel? |
| 04:31:13 | lwhalen | saint: I was looking for specifically not-Apple |
| 04:31:22 | lwhalen | and not-Microsoft either ;) |
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| 05:00:38 | nidzimjelp | Hello. |
| 05:01:00 | [Saint] | Welcome, if you have a question/query about Rockbox..just away. |
| 05:01:43 | jhMikeS | wtf is rockbox and why, why the hell should I give a crap? |
| 05:02:52 | [Saint] | haha..oops, nice typo. "just ask" rather. |
| 05:05:18 | nidzimjelp | Are "viewports" also used to themes to set the coordinates for rockbox to start displaying main menu text? |
| 05:05:38 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 05:08:02 | nidzimjelp | Thank you. |
| 05:14:35 | jhMikeS | argh, you can't even compile this thing with −−no-eabi anymore :\ |
| 05:17:21 | [Saint] | nidzimjelp: For that, you need to set a UI Viewport, specifically. |
| 05:26:32 | nidzimjelp | oted |
| 05:26:38 | nidzimjelp | noted |
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| 05:40:46 | [Saint] | I'd like to include a small addition to CabbieV2 if noone is going to cry about it. |
| 05:41:14 | [Saint] | I'd like the "time remaining" under the progressbar to have a - |
| 05:41:19 | JdGordon| | HAHAHAHA what ever gave you that idea? |
| 05:41:46 | [Saint] | what, the "-", or noone crying about it? ;) |
| 05:41:52 | JdGordon| | the latter |
| 05:42:19 | [Saint] | I was thinking of including it when I fix up the volume icon to change to text whilst it's being changed. |
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| 05:42:28 | jhMikeS | what, without the "-" I might be confused? |
| 05:43:00 | [Saint] | I think it looks more complete with it, personally. |
| 05:43:36 | [Saint] | makes it more obvious that it is a negative value, and counting down. |
| 05:43:49 | Llorean | It's not a negative value. |
| 05:44:00 | Llorean | It's 4 minutes remaining, not negative 4 minutes remaining. |
| 05:44:33 | jhMikeS | T -4:00 until launch |
| 05:44:48 | [Saint] | haha, I was just thinking of that example. |
| 05:45:44 | Llorean | Yeah, but that's a countdown rather than a duration remaining. You have X minutes to Event, rather than X minutes left of Song. |
| 05:45:51 | jhMikeS | you could think of it as -4:00 into the next song, then it makes sense |
| 05:46:24 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: That is how I look at it really, but like all things I thought I'd voice it first before wasting time with a patch. |
| 05:46:27 | Llorean | Yeah, my point though is that it's currently presented as time remaining. |
| 05:46:45 | nidzimjelp | Another question if I may. If the font is specified in the .cfg file, how should the "ui viewport" character for font be? 1 or "-"? |
| 05:46:56 | Llorean | I'd like to see a fix that shows numeric volume while it's being changed though. |
| 05:47:00 | JdGordon| | both would work nidzimjelp |
| 05:47:07 | nidzimjelp | Assuming 0 is for some default font used by RB. |
| 05:47:09 | [Saint] | nidzimjelp: both. |
| 05:47:16 | [Saint] | 1 == user font. |
| 05:47:16 | nidzimjelp | Thanks. |
| 05:47:22 | Llorean | As to the time remaining, I'm mostly indifferent, but it seems like something that's more worth discussing since it's very subjective how you interpret it and it's not something worth changing arbitrarily without getting opinions - nothing's broken as it stands. |
| 05:47:32 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: not both, that obviously cant work... either would though |
| 05:48:24 | [Saint] | well, yeah...worded poorly. either, was what I meant. I guess it wasn't as obvious to others what I meant as it was myself. |
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| 06:06:05 | nidzimjelp | Ok, something is weird. "ui viewport is written right but whenever I select the theme or switch the base skin to this theme the menu items disregard the view port. Would you have any ideas as to what it may be? |
| 06:06:50 | [Saint] | Not without seeing the code, no. |
| 06:06:55 | [Saint] | Pastebin your theme. |
| 06:08:45 | nidzimjelp | http://pastebin.com/ZaFjFrTd |
| 06:09:34 | nidzimjelp | This is what it should look like:http://themes.rockbox.org/themes/176x220/free-state-sbs/menu-free-state-sbs1.png |
| 06:10:51 | [Saint] | your UI viewport statement is quite incorrect. |
| 06:11:01 | nidzimjelp | But the "Rockbox, Files, Database, etc" move up and appear behind the ... oh |
| 06:12:01 | [Saint] | it should look as: "%Vi(-,X,X,X,X,X)%Vf(XXXXXX)%Vb(XXXXXX)" |
| 06:12:29 | [Saint] | using "-" as the identifier for the UI viewport makes sure that it is used by default. |
| 06:13:52 | nidzimjelp | Ok, give me a sec. |
| 06:15:07 | [Saint] | ui viewport: %Vi(-,5,50,166,150,-)%Vf(333333)%Vb(-) should work fine. |
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| 06:30:31 | jhMikeS | hmmm...gcc seemed to overwrite the contents of an input operand into an output that was assigned the same register, but before the input was referenced :\ |
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| 06:35:32 | nidzimjelp | Finally got it working. |
| 06:35:41 | nidzimjelp | Thank you. |
| 06:35:48 | [Saint] | No problem. |
| 06:36:16 | nidzimjelp | Though it wasn't in the cfg file |
| 06:36:47 | nidzimjelp | it was missing that statement from the sbs |
| 06:36:52 | [Saint] | well, the line for UI Viewport in your .cfg was certainly incorrect. |
| 06:37:46 | [Saint] | Oh, wait...I think I confused myself. Yes, it should have looked as I stated in the .sbs |
| 06:37:49 | [Saint] | apologies. |
| 06:37:51 | nidzimjelp | The thing is that after I tried it and it didn't work, I checked another theme that has about the same style and the uivp appeared the same |
| 06:38:01 | nidzimjelp | no problem |
| 06:38:06 | nidzimjelp | thank you |
| 06:38:30 | nidzimjelp | If you hadn't mentioned that I wuold never have been able to check for that line |
| 06:39:15 | [Saint] | I opened an .sbs instead of a .cfg file when I was checking how it should look. No idea how I mixed those two up, sorry for that. |
| 06:39:30 | [Saint] | Glad you got it working, though. |
| 06:40:28 | nidzimjelp | Do you know anyone in charge of the themes on the site |
| 06:41:04 | JdGordon| | whats the problem? |
| 06:41:17 | nidzimjelp | This theme: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=420&target=sansae200 |
| 06:41:31 | [Saint] | what about it? |
| 06:41:56 | nidzimjelp | The sbs file needs this line "%Vi(-,5,50,166,150,-)%Vf(333333)%Vb(-)" added. |
| 06:42:23 | [Saint] | it's up to the original author to update it. |
| 06:42:31 | JdGordon| | cant anyone upload updateS? |
| 06:42:35 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 06:42:46 | [Saint] | not to the same theme, anyway. |
| 06:43:02 | nidzimjelp | I'll email him asking him to update it then. |
| 06:43:02 | [Saint] | nothing stopping you from uploading it under another name though. |
| 06:43:14 | [Saint] | probably the best idea. |
| 06:43:36 | nidzimjelp | Ok, well thank you. |
| 06:43:49 | JdGordon| | maybe we should setup something to allow minor mods |
| 06:43:53 | nidzimjelp | I'll be going now, you've been great help. bye |
| 06:44:07 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Not a good idea IMO |
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| 10:37:54 | wodz | Zagor, Badger: ping |
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| 11:30:43 | Stummi | is the tracker the right place to moot a change on makefile? |
| 11:32:09 | Stummi | I made some changes on root.make and buildzip.pl, what I want to put up for discussion anywhere before eventually commiting it |
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| 12:03:46 | linuxstb | Stummi: Yes, you should post the patch there. But you may also want to try to get people to talk about it here or on the dev mailing list. |
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| 12:13:46 | Stummi | ok, patch added :) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11825 |
| 12:14:27 | Stummi | btw, a bot, what would post actions on tracker here (like CIA with the CVS does) would be a nice thing |
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| 12:17:02 | JdGord | wodz: sorry about earlier |
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| 12:17:13 | JdGord | What's %tx. ? |
| 12:17:30 | JdGord | And yes if it is segfaulting it needs fixing |
| 12:17:49 | JdGord | File a bug. I might be able to fix it on the plane tomorow |
| 12:18:49 | gevaerts | Stummi: yuou know there's a mailing list for flyspray updates? |
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| 12:23:34 | Stummi | gevaerts, yes |
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| 12:30:09 | * | gevaerts would call the thig "symlinkinstall". "link" makes him think "hard link" |
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| 13:14:01 | Stummi | gevaerts, ok, changed this |
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| 13:36:52 | sacredchao | What program can I use to extract music files from an Apple-firmware iPod so that it reads the tags and actually names the files based on artist/album/number/title? |
| 13:37:03 | sacredchao | I am on Debian and want to back up this music prior to Rockbox installation |
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| 13:43:33 | kugel | sacredchao: mp3tag will work (on Windows). but rockbox will find your music |
| 13:43:48 | sacredchao | I am not on Windows |
| 13:44:00 | sacredchao | I want to pull off the music on GNU/Linux and back it up |
| 13:44:38 | kugel | easytag can possibly do it |
| 13:44:56 | Bagder | it can |
| 13:46:38 | sacredchao | Yeah but aren't the files on Apple-firmware iPods not only renamed to weird filenames, but put in incorrect folders? |
| 13:46:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:46:58 | Bagder | is funny-named folders too |
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| 14:03:06 | sacredchao | So there's no GNU/Linux application to fix this as files are copied off the iPod? |
| 14:03:44 | Bagder | did you already try easytag? |
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| 14:19:59 | sacredchao | Bagder: Found something better |
| 14:20:03 | sacredchao | the answer: gtkpod |
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| 14:36:25 | sacredchao | Also Banshee but it wants to install mono on my system |
| 14:36:29 | sacredchao | fuck C# |
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| 15:38:01 | Skaps | hello! Skaps here. |
| 15:40:02 | Skaps | i have a sansa e260 and like, i want it to be able to play AVI files |
| 15:40:26 | evilnick_B | Skaps: Either convert them to mpeg or add in .avi playback ability |
| 15:40:38 | Skaps | i want to do the latter |
| 15:40:44 | Skaps | do you have a link to get me started? |
| 15:41:09 | evilnick_B | Are you a programmer? |
| 15:41:16 | Skaps | by no means |
| 15:42:03 | evilnick_B | That's not really an option then! It'd take a looong time to get up to speed on the code and then to work on adding support for .avi files. |
| 15:42:12 | Skaps | ok |
| 15:42:18 | pixelma | isn't avi just a container anyway? |
| 15:42:21 | evilnick_B | Right now, your best option is to convert them |
| 15:42:32 | Skaps | does rockbox already have mpeg support? |
| 15:42:35 | evilnick_B | And pixelma is quite right, .avi isn't an actual codec |
| 15:43:00 | Skaps | so it should be very easy to convert then? |
| 15:43:19 | AlexP | Skaps: yes, mpeg1 and 2, see the manual |
| 15:43:32 | Skaps | thanks guys |
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| 15:47:56 | Skaps | anyone know any legit avi to mpeg converters |
| 15:48:55 | pixelma | our fine manual and wiki may |
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| 15:50:59 | evilnick_B | Skaps: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 15:51:13 | Skaps | you are all so kind |
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| 16:03:32 | Buschel | soap: any new results from your tests? |
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| 16:07:46 | moos | pixelma: Hi, I adressed the cmments made yesterday, and here is the new patch: http://pastie.org/1400705 |
| 16:08:41 | moos | I reused a string that was here for recording only |
| 16:10:53 | moos | And I reused the current translations, that way, all language where the string was translated is reused |
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| 16:12:09 | moos | if no one object, I will commit it later this day |
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| 16:13:30 | moos | I'm planning to see if I can harmonise this with the properties plugin |
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| 16:14:29 | kugel | moos: can't one just change the id (I don't know)? |
| 16:15:20 | moos | I made this to not break compability and because it was a string depending on recording |
| 16:15:34 | ruckus | hey everyone, i have a ipod video 30gig model (although with a 160gb drive) developed some weird problems recently, so I am wondering if anyone knows about them. 2 issues mainly, i would be playing music and it would randomly freeze. i can tell that the firmware is still working because i can scroll the song back and forth although there's no sound, and the song doesn't progress. also, often times i would play music and i wou |
| 16:15:56 | ruckus | *that developed |
| 16:16:23 | evilnick_B | ruckus: Try checking the disk |
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| 16:16:51 | evilnick_B | i.e. fsck or chkdsk |
| 16:17:13 | moos | kugel: I already updated all the current translation :) http://pastie.org/1400724 |
| 16:17:19 | moos | +s |
| 16:18:05 | ruckus | evilnick_B: fair enough, i haven't had the chance to do that. |
| 16:18:40 | ruckus | evilnick_B: could it be anything else ? |
| 16:19:21 | evilnick_B | ruckus: There are probably a few things that it could be, so best to rule things out one by one |
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| 16:38:14 | Skaps | evilnick_B, so ive converted an avi to an mpeg 2 and the playback on my sansa e260 isnt very smooth |
| 16:38:21 | Skaps | what can i do to make it better |
| 16:39:54 | evilnick_B | Did you resize it to fit the display? |
| 16:40:43 | Skaps | yes |
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| 16:42:16 | evilnick_B | Skaps: Can you try out the sample video "Elephant's Dream" from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos |
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| 16:43:11 | Skaps_ | sorry i dcd |
| 16:43:11 | Skaps_ | could you repeat anything you said |
| 16:43:16 | evilnick_B | Skaps_: Can you try out the sample video "Elephant's Dream" from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos |
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| 16:43:34 | Skaps_ | will do. |
| 16:43:47 | evilnick_B | That will tell us whether it's your player or the video file that you converted that's making the playback choppy |
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| 16:46:13 | Skaps | ill keep you updated. |
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| 17:02:19 | Skaps | evilnick_B, this video runs relatively smoothly. |
| 17:03:50 | evilnick_B | Skaps: So that points to the conversion process not being quite right. Check the settings that you used against the ones from the Wiki page and see if you can see any discrepencies |
| 17:04:19 | Skaps | rewatching the other video i converted, it isnt that bad actually |
| 17:04:36 | Skaps | compared to the one you gave me it runs at relatively the same smoothness |
| 17:04:49 | Skaps | there are some laggy sections where the video seems to lose framerate |
| 17:05:03 | ruckus | evilnick_B: so i am running chkdsk right now, though i realized that my drive is fat32. we're talkinga bout 160gb, so is that good ? |
| 17:05:05 | Skaps | but i guess that might be expected from a portable device of this caliber |
| 17:05:56 | evilnick_B | ruckus: Yeah, that will only affect how long the scan takes |
| 17:06:02 | pixelma | Skaps: one thing to keep an eye on is overall bitrate |
| 17:06:55 | Skaps | what kind of bitrate would run really well? |
| 17:07:00 | Skaps | anything under like.. 240? |
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| 17:07:32 | ruckus | evilnick_B: what do you mean? performance wise it doesn't matter? |
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| 17:08:03 | [Saint] | copy the properties of the test files on the wiki |
| 17:08:10 | [Saint] | Skaps: ^ |
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| 17:08:20 | gevaerts | ruckus: are you asking if you should use something other than fat32? |
| 17:08:23 | Skaps | i have |
| 17:08:31 | [Saint] | ah... |
| 17:08:41 | Skaps | you are referring to this page yes http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos ? |
| 17:08:45 | Skaps | the settings given on this one |
| 17:09:07 | [Saint] | correct |
| 17:09:08 | ruckus | gevaerts: yes |
| 17:09:28 | gevaerts | ruckus: rockbox only supports fat, so no |
| 17:09:32 | evilnick_B | ruckus: You HAVE to use fat32 |
| 17:10:19 | Skaps | evilnick_B, Saint, i thank you |
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| 17:11:29 | Skaps | my bitrate on the VLC conversion tool is default at 800 kbps for Mpeg-2 |
| 17:11:33 | Skaps | should i decrease that |
| 17:11:49 | Skaps | i dont really know what a good standard bitrate is for video formats |
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| 17:12:27 | gevaerts | I'd recommend experimenting a bit |
| 17:13:21 | Skaps | ill try 400 and see if its watchable. |
| 17:13:39 | evilnick_B | Skaps: On that Wiki page it lists an average bitrate of 469 for the e200 |
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| 17:13:48 | ruckus | thank you gevaerts and evilnick_B. i have a feeling that i've already looked this up in the past, but i've forgotten it |
| 17:13:53 | evilnick_B | (at 4:3) |
| 17:14:16 | Skaps | and 354 for 16:9 |
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| 17:36:02 | Skaps | well, i lowered the bitrate to 320 and it runs great |
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| 18:08:50 | evilnick_B | Skaps: Excellent - now you know the settings, then you can convert whatever you like! |
| 18:09:58 | Skaps | :3 |
| 18:09:58 | Skaps | this 16 hour road trip should go down well. |
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| 19:07:30 | fml2 | Hello. Is .DS_Store on Mac (the itunes thing?) a file or a dir? |
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| 19:33:20 | b1uebrother | hmm. tools/tools.make has a build rule for uclpack and tools/ucl/Makefile has too |
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| 19:40:21 | kugel | gevaerts: shall I put the tagcache root patch on fs or commit now? Slasheri already looked at it a bit without complaint |
| 19:42:50 | gevaerts | kugel: you probably answered this already at some point, but what's the impact on native targets? |
| 19:43:15 | kugel | no impact |
| 19:43:28 | gevaerts | then I'd commit |
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| 20:02:35 | kugel | gevaerts: still need to fix mod metadata parser though |
| 20:03:04 | gevaerts | Ah, yes |
| 20:03:24 | gevaerts | I'd say that that's a different issue though |
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| 20:11:42 | soap | Buschel, I've done some more tests (logging on right now to make a 76Mhz test build again) while driving today. With a stock build (force boosted to always run at 80 or not) the problems are happening repeatedly at the first flash access after the device gets warm. |
| 20:11:49 | CIA-7 | r28885 build result: All green |
| 20:13:35 | soap | In a 19 C vehicle the device will not crash ever. But much warmer it will crash the first flash access after the initial boot and buffer fill. Get it hot enough and the bootloader won't find rockbox.ipod. |
| 20:13:52 | gevaerts | At flash access? Interesting... |
| 20:13:57 | * | gevaerts looks for grep |
| 20:15:09 | soap | So let's call the three temps Cold (18C) Warm (?C) and Hot (?C). When warm Rockbox will fill the buffer (said second time) and start playback, but playback will be a mix of multiple tracks. When Hot the device freezes. |
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| 20:16:12 | soap | When Warm said scrambled audio (fractional seconds of each track, jumping back and forth between tracks) lasts for a while (30 seconds?) before the eventual crash |
| 20:16:14 | gevaerts | soap: maraz reported similar (or at least also nano, heat, and storage related) issues back in Julu |
| 20:16:17 | gevaerts | *July |
| 20:16:51 | gevaerts | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100725#15:46:42 |
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| 20:16:54 | soap | My only test with the 76Mhz build was not under the same conditions as today's testing. I will repeat shortly. |
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| 20:17:28 | maraz | yep |
| 20:17:33 | soap | But it was under the same conditions which caused failure of a 80mhz build previously. I need to get back on the road, but should be able to report more in about an hour. |
| 20:18:12 | soap | gevaerts, look back to FS #7510's era. There were many reports in the FS and Forums and IRC at that time IIRC. |
| 20:18:34 | soap | I would not be suprised if, being as this appears to be a rare issue, some of the afflected people did not come back. |
| 20:18:55 | gevaerts | That's certainly possible |
| 20:18:57 | maraz | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,25347.msg169819.html |
| 20:18:59 | maraz | ^ |
| 20:19:22 | soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11817.0 |
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| 20:25:41 | gevaerts | soap: I think it would still be useful to know if it's DMA related for you as well |
| 20:26:35 | soap | How would I test that? |
| 20:26:40 | soap | just disable DMA? |
| 20:27:04 | gevaerts | soap: yes. According to http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100725#16:32:41 that's what maraz did |
| 20:27:10 | soap | (ha! He says "just" as if it will be easy for him!) |
| 20:27:27 | maraz | disabling dma certainly fixed the problem for me |
| 20:27:58 | soap | I'll try that next. |
| 20:28:19 | soap | FWIW windows is unzipping my new build to said (ice cold) Nano at an amazing 12KB/s) |
| 20:29:02 | soap | IF it is aging flash going out of spec I'd be a bit shocked. This flash has very very very few writes on it. |
| 20:29:04 | Stummi | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11825?opened=5937&type[0]=&sev[0]=&due[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&reported[0]= can i commit this or should i await more comments for this? |
| 20:29:18 | soap | unless "aging" is truely time and not use dependent. |
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| 20:29:55 | maraz | soap, my flash works just fine on OF. |
| 20:30:07 | gevaerts | maraz: did you ever try a slightly lower boosted clock? |
| 20:30:10 | maraz | rockbox with dma - problems. rockbox without dma - no problems. |
| 20:30:12 | maraz | aye. |
| 20:30:18 | maraz | even 24MHz. |
| 20:30:50 | soap | Curious. We'll see, the 76MHz test may have been a red herring. |
| 20:32:02 | soap | large files are trasfering fast. Lots of small files (full zip) are transfering very very slowly. |
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| 20:35:17 | kugel | FS #11828 - Fix core mod metadata parser |
| 20:35:26 | kugel | who's listening to mod files? |
| 20:35:52 | kugel | Stummi: how does it handle themes? |
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| 20:36:15 | kugel | themes are only made at make install time |
| 20:36:33 | Stummi | kugel: i don't checked this |
| 20:36:52 | Stummi | (and don't have any possibility to check this from here at the moment) |
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| 20:37:53 | saratoga | that reminds me, if someone feels like looking at the makefiles, having "make codecs" and "make plugins" not also include the themes, fonts, etc would be nice |
| 20:38:11 | kugel | saratoga: they dont |
| 20:38:40 | saratoga | they did when i tried? |
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| 20:39:09 | kugel | only make (full)install messes with themes and fonts |
| 20:39:10 | Stummi | hm, i will wait until saturday or sunday. Then i am back to home |
| 20:39:44 | kugel | also it's make rocks, not make plugins ;) |
| 20:39:48 | Stummi | kugel: at the moment yes. It would be nice if somebody could source this out |
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| 20:43:42 | saratoga | kugel: I just tried it and make codecs included wps, themes, a half dozen fonts, etc |
| 20:44:04 | saratoga | the majority of the zip size is actually things other then the codecs |
| 20:44:24 | kugel | make codecs creates no zip |
| 20:44:24 | gevaerts | saratoga: just "make codecs"? |
| 20:44:57 | saratoga | yeah |
| 20:45:05 | saratoga | sorry, make codecs, then make 7zip |
| 20:45:21 | kugel | well, make *zip also makes themes |
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| 20:45:55 | saratoga | is there someway to get a zip of just the codecs short of doing it myself? |
| 20:47:26 | kugel | no |
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| 21:25:05 | [Saint] | If it's not too much to ask, could somebody please roll me a build fot iPod Colour with this patch: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-5819a940.html applied? |
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| 21:25:32 | [Saint] | It would be very greatly appreciated, I am not able to build myself at the present point in time. |
| 21:25:56 | [Saint] | s/fot/for/ |
| 21:27:33 | [Saint] | {And, if someone *does* roll me a build of SVN head, could the someone please include the .map file in the .zip file as well? Again, greatly appreciated - [St.]) |
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| 21:36:34 | soap | ok, gevaerts, maraz, Buschel: I can not make the 76MHz build crash. I repeatedly got the ipod hot enough that touching the metal back to my cheek hurt. |
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| 21:37:05 | soap | It didn't take 1/10th the effort to crash the 80MHz build, with or without frequency scaling. |
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| 21:37:10 | maraz | soap: from what i've gathered, it seems to be completely device specific at which point they'll exhibit symptoms. |
| 21:37:37 | maraz | could it be that apple never intended to use dma on the nano and bought chips that are more or less broken on their dma side? |
| 21:37:52 | soap | I'll test a no DMA build in a bit. I need to unload some equipment and run a few errands first. |
| 21:37:56 | saratoga | easy way to tell: change the main build to 76MHz and see if people complain |
| 21:38:44 | * | The_Seven 's Christmas presents: http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu and http://files.freemyipod.org/misc/installer-classic.ubi |
| 21:38:45 | wodz | I've got strange bug report regarding hd300. The guy claims that in rockbox anything above -15dB is clipped while in OF no clipping occurs with much higher gains. Do we had similar report for Gigabeat F or mrobe100 (using very similar codec)? |
| 21:38:52 | soap | Or, maraz, could Rockbox's DMA timings be off? |
| 21:39:12 | maraz | well, that's the other option. |
| 21:39:21 | The_Seven | i think this is ready for public alpha... people can now start playing around with their ipod classics :) |
| 21:40:00 | [Saint] | The_Seven: Congratulations, great work. |
| 21:40:10 | saratoga | rockbox or iloader? |
| 21:40:10 | n1s | The_Seven: very cool :) |
| 21:40:24 | The_Seven | iloader, allowing you to bootstrap rockbox :) |
| 21:40:28 | [Saint] | "The Masses" will be pleased, indeed, quite pleased. |
| 21:40:37 | The_Seven | and it means that i can start actually porting rockbox now |
| 21:40:47 | wodz | the only difference I spotted is that we set digital DAC gain to 0dB while OF set it to -0.5dB |
| 21:41:26 | saratoga | a lot of chips have separate gains for the DAC and headphone amps, maybe one is set too high? |
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| 21:43:02 | wodz | attenuating signal slightly in digital domain make sense IMO |
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| 21:46:59 | [Saint] | froggyman: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0769fb1c.html <−− iLike Colour/Fuze/Photo |
| 21:47:15 | froggyman | thanks! |
| 21:47:19 | [Saint] | I shall do the "release" announcement this afternoon. |
| 21:48:37 | [Saint] | froggyman: Let me know if you find anything obviously wrong...or something you feel could be improved upon. |
| 21:49:11 | froggyman | well, for starters I would prefer having battery as a percent and volume in dB |
| 21:56:48 | [Saint] | well...things that the OF does...that I'm not. |
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| 22:06:34 | kugel | CaptainKewl: ping |
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| 22:27:15 | kugel | amee2k: ping |
| 22:27:28 | amee2k | mmh? |
| 22:27:37 | kugel | any progress with your RaaA port? |
| 22:28:10 | amee2k | not yet, i've got all kinds of stuff getting in the way |
| 22:28:20 | amee2k | mostly xmas/holiday related |
| 22:28:38 | kugel | another guy found that the SDL drawing is horrible slow (and I found in profiling that there are indeed a hundreds of thounds calls in it very shortly after starting) |
| 22:28:43 | amee2k | i'm also at my parent's place right now... good time to do some research |
| 22:28:54 | amee2k | hence my question in -community |
| 22:29:04 | amee2k | 0.0 |
| 22:29:27 | amee2k | that would kinda explain why the interface is so sluggish |
| 22:29:49 | kugel | he also made a patch to make it faster, so that it's usable on a n900; I bet it'll be useful for you too |
| 22:29:55 | CaptainKewl | kugel: pong |
| 22:30:25 | kugel | CaptainKewl: you listen to .mod files, right? can you have a look at FS #11828 please? |
| 22:30:37 | CaptainKewl | sure |
| 22:30:43 | amee2k | cool |
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| 22:31:12 | amee2k | i'll try the patch right when i come back, which will be around something like january 3..5th |
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| 22:34:03 | kugel | I should also get my mini2440 out of the drawer again to run the sdl app on it |
| 22:35:26 | CaptainKewl | kugel: I'll need some time to test it but at a glance it looks about right; I'll post my findings. |
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| 23:06:38 | Clipper | Hello |
| 23:07:18 | Clipper | Does anyone know any issues of current stable release of rocbox with clip+ other than USB mode incompability? |
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| 23:09:05 | saratoga | kugel: nice catch with that mod parser |
| 23:09:21 | saratoga | thats probably been the cause of more then a few db lock ups over the years |
| 23:09:37 | saratoga | Clipper: check the wiki |
| 23:10:29 | Clipper | okay so |
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| 23:10:54 | Clipper | ive downloaded rockbox utility 1.2.8 |
| 23:11:17 | Clipper | connected clip+ in MSC mode, launched roxbox untility and pressed autodetect button |
| 23:11:20 | Clipper | crash |
| 23:11:23 | Clipper | always crash |
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| 23:13:19 | Clipper | anyone else with clip+ experience this problem? |
| 23:13:36 | gevaerts | Rockbox Utility crashes? |
| 23:13:49 | Clipper | yeah while autodetecting |
| 23:14:02 | Clipper | common? |
| 23:14:16 | gevaerts | I don't think that's common |
| 23:14:40 | * | gevaerts looks for domonoky or bluebrother |
| 23:15:37 | Clipper | error indicates problem with msvcrt.dll |
| 23:16:10 | * | gevaerts doesn't know |
| 23:16:11 | Clipper | which is supposed to be responsible for Visual C++ |
| 23:16:17 | Clipper | maybe its windows problem? |
| 23:16:23 | gevaerts | Could be I guess |
| 23:16:23 | Clipper | im on XP SP3 |
| 23:16:36 | gevaerts | That should work |
| 23:17:04 | pixelma | reminds me of a similar problem with another Qt app (which the Rockbox Utility is also) |
| 23:18:22 | pixelma | the solution there was to install a newer visual c++ runtime |
| 23:18:34 | Clipper | sounds inspiring |
| 23:18:36 | gevaerts | vcredist something? |
| 23:18:39 | pixelma | do you know which you have installed? |
| 23:18:52 | Clipper | pixelma: nope, i dont know but im googling it at the moment |
| 23:19:14 | gevaerts | Which visual c++ version is rockbox utility compiled with? |
| 23:21:35 | wodz | JdGord: FS #11829 |
| 23:21:40 | pixelma | the Utility ran on my XP SP3 laptop last time I checked, not sure I used autodetection though. For the other programme I needed this runtime: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=de&FamilyID=a5c84275-3b97-4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2 |
| 23:21:40 | Torne | gevaerts: none at all :) |
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| 23:21:51 | gevaerts | ah, right... |
| 23:22:13 | gevaerts | pure mingw? |
| 23:22:17 | Buschel | soap, maraz: your discussion about nano clock vs. DMA is interesting. IDE0_CFG (which has a special handling in the clock switching for the nano only) is changed by DMA code (ata_dma_set_mode) |
| 23:22:17 | pixelma | so, I'm on the wrong track? |
| 23:22:30 | pixelma | was just an idea |
| 23:23:04 | kugel | saratoga: yea, it has a pretty serious buffer overflow problem |
| 23:24:25 | Buschel | soap, maraz: can you check the upper 4 bits of IDE0_CFG in boosted/unboosted state with and withouth DMA? |
| 23:24:29 | gevaerts | Buschel: that's interesting... |
| 23:25:07 | Torne | the PP ipods need certain minimal clock speeds for DMA to work |
| 23:25:11 | Torne | if that's relevant |
| 23:25:42 | Clipper | pixelma: installed, no change |
| 23:26:36 | gevaerts | Torne: ata_dma_set_mode() clears a bit in IDE0_CFG, which also cleared in ata_device_init(), *except* on the nano where it's explicitely set |
| 23:26:43 | Torne | ..weird |
| 23:26:47 | Torne | nano1g, you mean? |
| 23:26:49 | gevaerts | yes |
| 23:26:59 | Torne | ok, i don't see why it would do that |
| 23:27:03 | Buschel | Torne: yes. but the issue is the other way round: too high clock seems to result in freezes on some nano's when using DMA access |
| 23:27:04 | Torne | but i didn't write it. :) |
| 23:27:11 | Torne | ask dreamlayers :) |
| 23:27:21 | gevaerts | If the nano really is the same SoC as e.g. the video, there's almost no way that can be correct... |
| 23:28:02 | gevaerts | Torne: the weirdness is older |
| 23:28:24 | gevaerts | I suspect dreamlayers didn't see the nano special case elsewhere in the file |
| 23:28:33 | pixelma | Clipper: ok, sorry then I'm out of ideas. Maybe bluebrother or domonoky (the main Utility devs) could help but I don't know if they are really around). Can you go on with the installation when chosing the target and the drive letter manually? |
| 23:28:36 | Torne | Ah, hm |
| 23:28:49 | gevaerts | r15705 |
| 23:29:48 | gevaerts | This would at least explain why DMA is involved |
| 23:30:00 | gevaerts | Or why it actually isn't :) |
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| 23:30:54 | Buschel | so, might just be some ifdef'ing needed... |
| 23:31:10 | Torne | Right.. hm |
| 23:31:16 | Torne | i suggest just do the same hack then :) |
| 23:31:25 | Torne | i don't think the IDE timing registers are well understood |
| 23:31:27 | gevaerts | Or try it at least :) |
| 23:31:49 | Buschel | well, let's ask soap to do sp when he is back :) |
| 23:31:59 | Buschel | my nano is 2G |
| 23:32:09 | gevaerts | and maraz I'd say |
| 23:32:28 | Buschel | yep |
| 23:32:47 | gevaerts | We're still not 100% sure that they're having the same problem of course, but I think it's a good working hypothesis :) |
| 23:33:26 | Buschel | and it seems to be reproducible quite easily |
| 23:33:40 | Clipper | pixelma: well yes but i dont know if i can install |
| 23:33:57 | Clipper | 7.0.2600.5701 (xpsp_sp3_qfe.081025-1544) <−− my version of msvcrt.dll |
| 23:35:47 | pixelma | it doesn't matter how the Utility found your device (manually or by autodetection) if that's what you think |
| 23:37:52 | gevaerts | Torne: the DMA code also sets some more unknown registers. How sure are we that just doing IDE0_CFG differently is safe? |
| 23:38:15 | Torne | no idea. |
| 23:38:22 | Buschel | soap, maraz: as a first try I would just comment both IDE0_CFG lines in ata_dma_set_mode() in ata-pp5020-c |
| 23:38:22 | Torne | i have no idea how the PP-specific IDE stuff works |
| 23:38:29 | Torne | i just used dreamlayers' patch for all that |
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| 23:38:45 | Torne | i only know about the non-SoC-specific parts of IDE i'm afraid |
| 23:38:48 | gevaerts | And how much faster is DMA on nano? |
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| 23:38:52 | Clipper | pixelma: btw, http://www.msvcrtdll.com/ <−−- reported by some sites as malware spreader |
| 23:39:56 | Torne | also no idea |
| 23:41:00 | Torne | Clipper: use MS's VC residistributable installer, don't download it from some reandom site |
| 23:41:18 | Clipper | VC? |
| 23:42:09 | Torne | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=9b2da534-3e03-4391-8a4d-074b9f2bc1bf&displaylang=en and the similar ones for the other versions of VC |
| 23:43:29 | * | Buschel just recognized he asked dreamlayers about the IDE0_CFG stuff in his DMA code |
| 23:44:01 | * | gevaerts saw that too |
| 23:44:35 | Clipper | pixelma: http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Threat/Encyclopedia/Entry.aspx?Name=Program%3AWin32%2FRegistryEasy <−−−− http://www.msvcrtdll.com is identified by microsoft as dongerous |
| 23:44:49 | Buschel | he reengineered from iPod Video code. maybe the nano is a bit different in this area... |
| 23:44:59 | gevaerts | Looks like it |
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| 23:47:10 | Clipper | Torne: it didnt help me but m getting latest NET distribution right now |
| 23:47:15 | gevaerts | Clipper: then don't use that site. Nobody here recommended it... |
| 23:47:25 | gevaerts | .NET is irrelevant |
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| 23:48:52 | Clipper | gevaerts: i know that noone recommended that website, but as its one of top google picks related to msvcrt.dll phrase, im just trying to warn you |
| 23:48:58 | Torne | anyway, it's unlikely to actually be a problem with msvcrt, generally |
| 23:49:04 | Clipper | it looks like "i will help you" website while its a trap |
| 23:49:06 | Torne | it usually means the code's passed a bad pointer to something in libc |
| 23:49:08 | Torne | or similar |
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| 23:50:17 | soap_ | gevaerts, you mention r15705. This heat-related "glitching" (let's just call it that as the exact nature of the glitching was not pinned down as well previously initially started before 15705. |
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| 23:51:15 | gevaerts | soap_: yes. r15705 adds some nano-specific special cases, which are not taken into account in the ATA DMA patch |
| 23:52:12 | soap_ | so go for starters with <Buschel> soap, maraz: as a first try I would just comment both IDE0_CFG lines in ata_dma_set_mode() in ata-pp5020-c ? |
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| 23:52:24 | maraz | hrm... |
| 23:52:39 | * | maraz eyes the task at hand |
| 23:52:43 | * | maraz decides to eat first |
| 23:52:48 | Buschel | soap, maraz: can you check the upper 4 bits of IDE0_CFG in boosted/unboosted state with and withouth DMA? |
| 23:53:15 | soap | Buschel, I can, would it be easier to open a task to dump the finding in? |
| 23:53:44 | Buschel | I think so |
| 23:55:14 | Clipper | Torne: should i try to manually assign drive letters then? |
| 23:55:43 | Torne | if you want to get it installed, i suggest so :) |
| 23:55:59 | Torne | if you want to help us debug the issue with rbutil, then maybe not.. but i dunno what you can reasonably do to help there |
| 23:56:04 | Torne | unless you know how to use a windows debugger ;) |
| 23:56:42 | Clipper | i dont have it installed |
| 23:56:55 | Clipper | i was checking with some basic tools like dependency walker |
| 23:57:04 | Clipper | and msvcrt has no dependencies at all |
| 23:57:15 | Torne | if it was missing something it wouldn't start in the first place |
| 23:57:26 | Torne | and like i said, there's no particular reason to assume it's a problem with msvcrt |
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| 23:57:40 | Torne | that's just hte C runtime, if any other code passes it a bad pointer it will crash in there |
| 23:58:21 | Clipper | AppName: rockboxutility.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: msvcrt.dll ModVer: 7.0.2600.5701 Offset: 00037fd4 |
| 23:58:32 | Clipper | from error log |
| 23:58:44 | Torne | yes; that doesn't tell anyone anything, unfortunately |
| 23:58:50 | Clipper | hee |
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