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#rockbox log for 2011-01-04

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00:02:19LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: In UMS mode (not DFU mode) Ubuntu sees it at /dev/sdb1.
00:03:39TheSevenit should see it as /dev/sdb
00:03:47TheSevencan you try mounting /dev/sdb manually?
00:05:40LambdaCalculus37I can try.
00:06:28LambdaCalculus37/dev/sdb disappears in DFU mode.
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00:08:39gevaertsWell obviously...
00:08:46gevaertsdfu isn't mass storage
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00:11:20LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: I do know that.
00:11:35|Mystery_Keeper|Is someone here familiar with .mtg firmware update files?
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00:13:12LambdaCalculus37I am noticing one thing that may be causing problems... whenever I run the script TheSeven gave me and copy bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu to the iPod, OS X butts in and announces "The disk you have connected can not be read by this computer."
00:13:55TheSevenOSX can't read that, I know
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00:14:48LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: But when I try to hand control of the iPod back to Linux, UMSboot tries to load a .ubi file and fails.
00:15:11TheSevenhm. that's not so good.
00:15:28LambdaCalculus37Looks like I'm going to have to do this on a straight Linux box.
00:15:29TheSevenhm, i could send you an image to dd to /dev/sdb on OSX
00:15:38LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Sure.
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00:21:11LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: dd'ing now.
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00:24:12LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Hmmm, the only thing that seems to have changed is the iPod's name and it showing 0KB free on the disk.
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00:27:50LambdaCalculus37And OS X doesn't want to mount it now.
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00:28:46TheSevenso it still didn't find a .ubi file?
00:30:17LambdaCalculus37Linux is saying that it can't mount /dev/sdb; can't read superblock.
00:31:11BushmillsLambdaCalculus37: see what disktype /dev/sdb has to say
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00:33:39LambdaCalculus37Bushmills, TheSeven, Farthen:
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00:48:37TheSevensemi-automated installer for windows:
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01:10:30TheSevensome quick'n'dirty instructions for iPod Classic installation from within Windows:
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01:29:32thomasjfoxgevaerts: First build online:
01:29:40thomasjfoxgevaerts: With the proper version number ;)
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02:06:00Garethscorche`: ping
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03:01:08*LambdaCalculus37 has iLoader running on his iPod Classic! \o/
03:01:13LambdaCalculus37Next stop, Rockbox! :D
03:02:53LambdaCalculus37Well, first I have to solve one thing.
03:04:18LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: If you're still here, I got iLoader installed onto the Classic and it started to install and run the flasher, and now my iPod's sitting at an all-white screen.
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03:22:04LambdaCalculus37Farthen: See above.
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03:55:33Strife89Me gets a topic started on iPod Color issues.,26899.0.html
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04:09:58eRivasanyone has an idea on how to get the images used by the OF of a Sansa Fuze v2?
04:10:32eRivasI mean, they have to be somewhere in the player, right?
04:11:00*Strife89 suggests finding a way to make sense of the .bin used for firmware upgrades.
04:12:12S_a_i_n_tIt's best to recreate them, really. You're not able to use them "legally" in a theme if you intend to redistribute it as GPL
04:12:39S_a_i_n_tI had this problem with my iLike themes, one of the reasons why it took *ages* to make.
04:13:14eRivasYeah, thats what I want, but I cant work on it from photos only, the colors wont be right, and my OF is just useless, always gets stuck refreshing DB
04:13:44S_a_i_n_theh...if I had to do it! ;)
04:14:04S_a_i_n_tI even had to get Strife89 to *scan* his device for me! :D
04:14:56*Strife89 wonders if he still has the photos somewhere.
04:14:57eRivasbtw, saint, thanks for your help the other day, just uploaded my theme
04:15:11S_a_i_n_tNo worries.
04:16:16eRivasbut oh well, will work with photos only, dont want legal issues *Fires up GIMP*
04:17:12eRivashah, would be really cool if UIsim would handle OFs
04:17:18S_a_i_n_tIn some cases I was able to work with dumps of the firmware, but for things like positioning I had to work solely from other images and pruduct sucked.
04:18:02S_a_i_n_tif you're lucky, there will be some nice images in the product manual for the device.
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04:23:50eRivaswhat a great idea! Didn't think of that
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05:50:23soulkillerJust a quick question
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05:52:59krazykitsoulkiller, must not be that quick if it's taking this long to type it
05:53:14Reilithionkrazykit: you slay me
05:53:47soulkillerthe font files do I just need to unzip them and stick those into the font folder?
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05:57:29krazykiti believe so, soulkiller. the rockbox utility can also install them.
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07:54:53TheSeven[03:04] <LambdaCalculus37> TheSeven: If you're still here, I got iLoader installed onto the Classic and it started to install and run the flasher, and now my iPod's sitting at an all-white screen. << hmm, that should not happen
07:55:53TheSevenhow did you copy the installer?
07:56:00TheSevencould it have been corrupted during the process?
08:01:02TheSeveni would have expected the decompression to fail in that case, but you never know...
08:02:10TheSevendid it take a few minutes to install the files, then a few seconds of flashing, and then the screen started to fade to white?
08:02:10TheSevenin that case i'd just start over and try again (the ipod should be in dfu mode if that happened)
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08:21:57TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: Two more questions...
08:22:47TheSevenafter the installation, you said it was stuck at a white screen. did the screen go white immediately or fade to that color?
08:23:15TheSevenif you reboot the ipod, is the backlight on or off afterwards? can you see a USB device, and if yes, which VID/PID is it?
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09:17:51S_a_i_n_thi? ;)
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09:20:02wodzS_a_i_n_t: hello, are there any progress with HD300 svg?
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09:59:20webguest01_gevaerts: hello. Did you do anything further regarding app_xxx vs. sim_xxx ? My problem is that I'd need 3-4 hours for that which I don't have.
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10:00:41webguest01_jhMikeS: your last commit (r28961) has a typo in the comment ("suffient")
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11:28:46thomasjfoxkugel: Could you take a look at this one for upstream inclusion:
11:29:24thomasjfoxkugel: The duplicate entries also happen for the SDL app case
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11:57:59sweetandyI recently changed distros to Debian and now when I connect my Sansa Rockbox player I get some errors and it does not mount. Dmesg says this:
11:58:07sweetandyI figure I should just wipe it and reinstall RockBox
11:58:22sweetandyIs there a filesystem type I should use for portable media players? fat?
11:59:56crwlfat32, yes
12:01:33sweetandythanks crwl
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12:14:44sweetandyIt's gone
12:14:53sweetandyI don't think this can be fixed
12:14:57sweetandyI think I just lost my player
12:15:37gevaertsWhat player is this, and what did you do?
12:16:37sweetandySandisk Sansa e250v2
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12:16:54sweetandyIt had two partitions, one top-secret ~20MB one at the end of the disk
12:17:40sweetandyI was getting errors when connecting it to my computer, unable to mount, and so I reformatted... deleting that secret partition in the process.
12:17:49LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Success!! \o/
12:17:57*LambdaCalculus37 has Rockbox on his iPod Classic!!
12:18:17sweetandyNow the screen does not turn on and my computer doesn't realize anything has happened when I connect via USB
12:18:25sweetandyLambdaCalculus37, yaaay
12:18:35sweetandyI've always wondered if RockBox is good on iPods
12:18:52TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: what did you do? any idea what went wrong the last time?
12:19:49LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I had gotten iLoader running with the Windows installer, and when it started flashing, it went to an all-white screen. I took a massive risk and did a MENU+SELECT reset, and iLoader started right up.
12:20:21gevaertssweetandy: I don't remember the e200v2 having two partitions (I could be wrong though). Are you sure it's not a v1?
12:20:49AlexPfor the v1
12:20:58AlexPsorry, I thought that was what you were on about :)
12:21:00LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I do have one question, though... if I need USB access to the HDD, where do I have to connect it from?
12:21:04gevaertsYes, the v1 has two partitions
12:22:00sweetandyI think that's it, yes.
12:22:03sweetandyGood to know it's a v1
12:22:51TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: MENU+SELECT can't really hurt that much, even in the middle of the flashing process
12:23:02TheSevenit might just mean that it gets a bit harder to recover it
12:23:25TheSevenso it basically worked, and just failed to reboot at the end of installation for some reason?
12:23:25gevaertsFollow the instructions there. When in doubt, *always* ask for clarifications first, doing things wrong while trying to unbrick a player can *really* brick it
12:24:02LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: That's correct.
12:24:22TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: to access the HDD, you can connect via USB mass storage to rockbox, or use when you're in iloader
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12:28:24sweetandygevaerts, thank you, trying that now.
12:28:39LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I just tried connecting the USB while in Rockbox, and OS X complains that it can't read the volume.
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12:39:31TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: same cause as with the umsboot volume
12:39:58LambdaCalculus37Disk Utility thinks that the partition is unformatted... whaaa?
12:40:21LambdaCalculus37Oh, OS X, you are so silly...
12:40:51*LambdaCalculus37 goes to Ubuntu to see what disktype says
12:45:24LambdaCalculus37Linux mounts it with no problems!
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12:48:46sweetandygevaerts, I AM NOT WORTHY
12:48:59sweetandymanufacturer mode, fun times.
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14:45:26S_a_i_n_tturns out applying it helps, leaving it sitting in the source dir however does not.
14:46:10ionutcan someone add me to the WikiUsersGroup please? wiki user: IonutLala
14:47:06S_a_i_n_tis that your real name?
14:47:12S_a_i_n_tWe have a real name policy.
14:47:15ionutyes. I'm romanian
14:47:30S_a_i_n_tSorry, it pays to ask. ;)
14:47:38ionuti understand :P
14:47:50S_a_i_n_tI'll add you, one second.
14:50:42S_a_i_n_tadded, welcome.
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14:59:54Parsiis there a patch or something to have anti-aliasing font in ipod nano?
15:01:22S_a_i_n_tFS #8961
15:02:04S_a_i_n_tFS #8961
15:03:55ParsiS_a_i_n_t: i don't know how to use it :/
15:04:22Parsii'm on Windows 7, 64bit
15:04:33S_a_i_n_tIt is only useful if you compile your own builds, for that you'll need to set up a development environment.
15:04:59ParsiS_a_i_n_t: I've VS2010
15:05:13S_a_i_n_tthat won't work.
15:06:20Parsican another one compile it?
15:06:38S_a_i_n_t has the info you need to get set up.
15:07:15S_a_i_n_t is probably a good start.
15:07:36Parsithank you S_a_i_n_t
15:11:10ParsiS_a_i_n_t: it's difficult, can you compile it:D?
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15:35:20jhMikeSr28950 and later breaks USB on the beast (it connects but can't mount a drive)
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15:47:38Mystery_KeeperCan someone delete users MysteryKeeper and AlekseyLyashin from wiki, so I could reregister?
15:49:17S_a_i_n_tthere's no MysteryKeeper in the wikiusersgroup.
15:49:26S_a_i_n_tnor should there be, as it's not a real name.
15:49:39Mystery_KeeperYup. But there is a registered name.
15:50:53pixelmaI believe Zagor is needed for this
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16:50:39Tornegevaerts: why did you reinstate the 64mb build?
16:50:46gevaertsDid I?
16:50:47Tornei've not been online for a while, i feel like i've missed something
16:50:54Tornemaybe it wasn't you
16:51:13Tornei'm pretty sure i saw a commit to that effect
16:51:34gevaertsUnless I made a bad mistake, I *removed* it
16:52:10gevaertsAnd then I added the Classic
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16:53:01Tornewhy did i read that as readd
16:53:07Torneok nevermind
16:53:21gevaertsIt's also 64mb :)
16:53:58Tornei was flicking through the rss feed and i thought it looked odd
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17:16:29Dreamxtremehrm my ipod isnt being read by windows anymore
17:16:49Dreamxtremei hear the right sound when i plug it in but nothing happens
17:18:05jhMikeSDreamxtreme: using rockbox usb?
17:18:35jhMikeSsame thing for gigabeat S and usb. I get an arrow in the tray but no drives
17:18:51Dreamxtremei dont even get a arrow
17:18:55S_a_i_n_ttried waiting a bit?
17:19:07S_a_i_n_tMy colors are hanging for up to a minute.
17:19:11Dreamxtremehow long ?
17:19:19S_a_i_n_t*ipod colors
17:19:27Dreamxtremei'll wait 5mins
17:19:48jhMikeSDreamxtreme: It looks like r28950. I go to 28949 and all is well.
17:19:48S_a_i_n_twhoah, yeah...that's pretty excessive.
17:20:18Dreamxtremeim running yesterdays daily
17:20:47Dreamxtremebut how can i revert if i cant detect the drive
17:21:01S_a_i_n_tuse the OF
17:21:10jhMikeSDreamxtreme: go System -> Rockbox Info check the revision
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17:22:22Dreamxtremeremind how to get to the OF
17:22:31Dreamxtremeso many combos i forget
17:22:38S_a_i_n_thold or menu on boot for iPods
17:23:47Dreamxtremecool thanks
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17:40:51JewJitsuI'm trying to get pacbox working and on the website it says to copy the files to the /.rockbox/pacman/ directory on my player but I do not see the directory.
17:41:22S_a_i_n_tso, create it ;)
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17:46:37soulkillercan someone help me get pacbox working?
17:47:02S_a_i_n_tNot if it involves anything about how to get the ROMs
17:47:04Tornepacbox requires a copy of the pacman roms, which cannot legally be distributed
17:47:11Tornedump them from your own pacman board :)
17:52:27soulkilleroh I already have the roms the only problem is I can't seem to locate the pacman folder. My question is do I need to create this folder?
17:53:45S_a_i_n_tjust like any other folder?
17:53:58S_a_i_n_tPlug it in to your PC, create the folder.
17:54:08S_a_i_n_ts/it/your device/
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17:55:04S_a_i_n_tSorry, I imagined seeing a "how do I" in there.
17:55:12S_a_i_n_tyes, yes you do need to create it manually.
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18:02:28*jhMikeS wonders if the USB driver swaps something that had different swapping before and so it now breaks (clueless here)
18:05:10gevaertsThe USB driver does use ATA identify info
18:05:44jhMikeSdid something change there that could mess it up? (need to look again)
18:06:34jhMikeSata_get_info? a member write was removed
18:07:43soulkillerThanks S_a_i_n_t it works like a charm
18:08:13S_a_i_n_tSorry I misunderstood you initially.
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18:12:14jhMikeSyep, removing the deletion of "info->num_sectors = total_sectors;" makes it work
18:12:58gevaertsI wonder why that was done...
18:13:08gevaertsTheSeven: any idea?
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18:17:41CIA-7New commit by jethead71 (r28962): Fix USB storage driver. ata_get_info was no longer filling-in num_sectors after recent ATA changes.
18:18:06jhMikeSwell it needed to go back in there anyway :)
18:19:39gevaertsAt least you fixed the whitespace compared to what was there previously :)
18:19:51CIA-7r28962 build result: All green
18:20:00jhMikeSI did?
18:20:13jhMikeSwell, good then :)
18:21:30gevaertsThere was no space before the =
18:23:03jhMikeSI guess it looks more important now and won't get deleted again
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18:40:46LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Interested in some test_codec results from my iPod Classic?
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18:45:51TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: can't hurt
18:46:12TheSeveni've only tested wav, mp3 320kbit/s and flac so far
18:47:16LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I did a test with AAC, 128/kbps, Q5 Vorbis, and Q8 FLAC.
18:50:50soapBuschel. My nano crashed today in an unreproduceable manner. Hmm.
18:53:22LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: And here's some test_disk results as well:
18:54:27TheSevenwhich drive is that?
18:54:34TheSeventhe results are totally different from mine
18:54:37LambdaCalculus37There's something rather interesting about the HDD on my Classic... it's not a Toshiba MK8022GAA as I was thinking all along, but a Samsung HS081HA HDD.
18:55:20TheSevenwhich is apparently faster than the toshiba drive
18:56:03LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: I never have heard of this model drive being used in iPod Classics. I never modded this Classic, and it's never been repaired or anything.
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18:56:16LambdaCalculus37So it seems that Apple has been using different model drives at one point.
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18:57:14LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: IIRC Apple used this same model hard drive in the early generation MacBook Airs.
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19:04:30LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: The Classic data aborted when I tried running test_fps, but I understand why.
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19:19:38TheSevenLambdaCalculus37: why does it data abort?
19:19:44*TheSeven swears at his connection
19:21:02LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: What we had discussed earlier; YUV blitting.
19:21:21TheSevenyeah, i know that, but did you figure out *why* yuv blitting aborts?
19:21:38LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: No, not yet.
19:21:57*LambdaCalculus37 should probably have clarified :)
19:28:07LambdaCalculus37160kbps CBR MP3s don't perform very well on the Classic either, even with the CPU fully boosted.
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20:01:18CIA-7r28963 build result: All green
20:02:02CIA-7New commit by alle (r28964): mpeg_parser: fix a typo in the comment
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20:43:02mudd1I'd like to add a feature or two regarding the handling of external memory. I haven't found any player that supports the way I think MicroSD cards should be used so I thought "What better way than to make Rockbox capable of doing what I want?"
20:43:13mudd1So here is how I'd like my Clip+ to behave:
20:44:07mudd1I want to have my music collection on a couple of MicroSD cards, each representing one genre, type of music or mood I use the music for.
20:45:12mudd1When I feel like listening to one type of music, I insert the card and the music starts playing. No menus or anything.
20:45:24mudd1Call it tangible computing if you like.
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20:46:24mudd1maybe there's more than one playlist on a particular card so I can't do anything better than to display these playlists when I insert the card and let the user choose one of them.
20:47:22mudd1Interrupt me at any point if you feel like discussing the idea.
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20:48:09gevaertsmudd1: so what you actually propose is autoplay on insert?
20:48:40mudd1gevaerts, yepp, that and "auto-display playlists on insert"
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20:49:17mudd1I would separate the two features I think
20:49:32gevaertshm, I actually suspect you might be able to do the first one as a plugin right now
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20:50:32mudd1yeah, it shouldn't be so hard although I expected I would have to mess with some internal stuff as well
20:50:35wilberfanI tried to make some recordings today...and they were all written to / (root). Is there a way to make them save to /RECORDING?
20:50:55mudd1wilberfan, go to /RECORDING and set it as a recording directory
20:50:57AlexPcontext menu on /recording
20:51:19the_KyleIf /RECORDING exists, go into its context menu and set it as the recording directory.
20:51:28wilberfanmudd1 that simple, huh? Wow... I'll try it, thanks...! :)
20:51:30the_KyleOtherwise, create it first.
20:51:35max131maybe now the USB storage driver got fixed in r28962, one could get r28834 could get in again?
20:51:50wilberfanI'm looking forward to a finished Rockbox Android! :D
20:52:05mudd1gevaerts, there's a SYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED event that I think is triggered whenever an SD card is inserted
20:52:43gevaertsmudd1: you actually want SYS_FS_CHANGED
20:53:00gevaertsSYS_HOTSWAP_INSERTED is broadcast when the SD card is inserted, *before* it's mounted
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20:53:19mudd1yeah, sounds reasonable to wait for the FS to be ready ;)
20:53:29gevaertsSYS_FS_CHANGED is broadcast when the filesystem is mounted (or unmounted, but that should be easy to differentiate I expect)
20:54:52gevaertsActually, what I'd suggest is a special playlist to look for, possibly autoplay.m3u or something like that, and play that when it's there on insert
20:55:21mudd1gevaerts, that's exactly what I thought I'd do :)
20:55:30gevaertsThat's going to be much simpler to implement than scanning for all tracks, and it allows having non-special cards
20:56:34mudd1for the second feature it's not so clear ... maybe I'd want to use some playlists/ directory or something like that
20:57:09mudd1I don't know enough about the database to see if it would help me or not
20:57:18mudd1are playlists entities in the DB at all?
20:57:51wilberfani pulled an sd card out of my android to use in my sansa e200−−is there a 'format' option within RB?
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20:58:52mudd1then the dedicated directory is probably the least pain for me *and* the user
20:59:05pixelmajhMikeS: that patch fixes the complete video too. I have sound in all of them now (tested on my M5) :)
20:59:07gevaertsI'd implement the autoplay as a (possibly TSR) plugin first as a proof of concept. I suspect in the long run you want it in core (unless we get multiple plugin support first, but don't count on that...), but to be honest I don't really know in which thread to handle the events
20:59:26gevaertswilberfan: no. You have to format from a PC
20:59:57pixelmajhMikeS: I can even see/hear the problem with the video - audio starts a bit earlier than video to be in sync then
21:00:06gevaertsmudd1: of course a dedicated directory doesn't really match our philosophy of "users can put their stuff where they want"
21:00:18gevaertsIt could be a configurable directory of course
21:00:23mudd1wilberfan, you can delete one directory at a time though from Rockbox
21:00:36mudd1gevaerts, sure
21:01:17mudd1the alternative would be to scan the whole card and maybe cache the result somewhere
21:01:50mudd1the podcast patch that is upcoming (I hope) also has some of this dedicated directory stuff
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21:02:16mudd1in that you can either have "podcast" in the genre or in the path
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21:03:38gevaertsmudd1: actually, I was wondering about one thing for this autoplay feature. If you're playing stuff from the sd card that got autoplayed when you swap cards, it's pretty obvious that the new playlist should start, but what if you're playing from internal memory?
21:03:56jhMikeSpixelma: Cool, thanks. I tried VLC. Nothing handles them perfectly, just differently. VLC thinks that clip starts at 26:30:42 and ends at 00:34. :) Did you try seeking them btw?
21:04:13pixelmain Rockbox?
21:04:32jhMikeSThe short one is fine, I'm curious about the full one.
21:04:36pixelmaI think I did but will try
21:04:42pixelmaonce more
21:05:07mudd1gevaerts, good point ... I guess you'd want to query the user whether to play the autoplay playlist or not in that case
21:05:10jhMikeSespecially toward the trouble spot
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21:05:28mudd1or have an option what to do ;)
21:05:46gevaertsmudd1: if you ask the user, you might just as well do nothing at all I think. Going to the file browser and selecting that playlist isn't *that* much work
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21:07:07mudd1well, I haven't really thought of this use case that much because I wouldn't expect me to use the internal memory at all when using the "tangible" metaphor
21:07:32mudd1you change music by switching cards, not by pressing buttons
21:07:48mudd1maybe some kind of emergency collection in the internal memory
21:08:01mudd1when I forgot my card collection
21:08:14gevaertsI don't think it's a huge problem, but I also don't think we want seventeen options to choose from
21:08:49mudd1well maybe I start just by starting the autoplay list on card insertion
21:08:52pixelmajhMikeS: no troubles while seeking, it takes a bit until playback starts correctly again but I can't tell if it takes a bit longer than in other video or not (seems like it does a bit but not differently enough to tell for sure)
21:08:52mudd1and worry about the rest later
21:09:15jhMikeSpixelma: just around the odd spot or always?
21:09:36pixelmasorry, I don't know which odd spot you mean
21:09:41mudd1gevaerts, as I'm a total newbie to Rockbox, can you think of any plugin (TSR or other) that might serve as a good template to get started with this kind of idea?
21:10:19jhMikeSpixelma: right at the beginning where things were confusing it before
21:12:08gevaertsmudd1: well, what you need is two things: an event loop, which most plugins will have so that's easy, and starting a playlist. Maybe have a look at random_folder_advance_config to see some playlist handling
21:12:29gevaertsFor an example of a TSR plugin, see battery_bench
21:12:51mudd1you helped me a lot :)
21:13:25mudd1I'll try to get going then :)
21:13:27pixelmaHadaka: then always. I just compared to a different video which is about the same length and after end of seek that one needs about 3s to resume and the weird video takes about 4..5s
21:13:54pixelmaoops, jhMikeS I meant
21:15:32jhMikeShmmm, that seems a long time if there's enough keyframes in it
21:15:40pixelmathose times were counted, not measured with a stop watch but it matches the impression
21:16:48pixelmamaybe the bitrate I chose is still a bit high (if that can have an influence)?
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21:17:20valentajnа есть кто из русскоговорящих?
21:17:25max131i'll do some stress testing on r28962 during the following days, and see if i can get file system corruptions on my sansa fuze again. I'll keep you all posted
21:17:31jhMikeSoverall length really doesn't have much effect on seek time, keyframe frequency does because it has to decode from a key frame up to the seek point first
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21:19:23pixelmavalentajn: English only here, maybe someone could answer in private but there aren't many Russian speaking peopke around here. My knowledge goes as far as being able to read and guess your very simple question
21:19:44*jhMikeS was considering a "sloppy" seek mode (which could also be used to display frames while seeking in the UI) but prefers frame accuracy
21:20:24pixelmaor people
21:20:52valentajnpixelma: ok? thx
21:28:03CIA-7New commit by jethead71 (r28965): MPEGPlayer: Give the parser a little stronger going over this time so it tolerates odd audio timestamps better.
21:31:04pixelmavalentajn: if you have a question about Rockbox you could try asking here in English. This way there are also more people who have the chance to answer :)
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21:34:09jhMikeSbuild system seems to have gotten stuck (4 min behind) ??
21:35:42valentajnpixelma: I understood. I will try to ask in English:)
21:38:19*jhMikeS just noticed in full-table mode, the countdown doesn't show up
21:39:50valentajnhow to fix the problem with playing flac? Sometimes the files are no longer playing. This problem occurs with cue files
21:40:00*gevaerts looks for B4gder or Zagor to kick the thing
21:40:18jhMikeSdoesn't it self-kick after 10min?
21:40:32jhMikeSnot anymore?
21:40:33gevaertsAh, right, maybe
21:40:37gevaertsI don't remember...
21:41:13jhMikeSI know it used to or a swede was doing it silently :)
21:41:31gevaertsNever look for the Swede behind the curtain :)
21:41:51*jhMikeS puts the curtain back
21:42:54pixelmavalentajn: which player do you have? And are those files that once worked and now stopped working? I didn't experience problems with playing flac myself though but I also don't use cue files
21:43:18amiconnStrife89: pong
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21:49:35valentajnpixelma: Player Sandisk Sansa Clip + RockBox v. 3.7.1. Begin to play flac file with cue once reproduced normally, and another time resets and the player says there is nothing to play
21:51:26jhMikeSgevaerts: what needs to be synthesized in order to present only the partition one wants to to UMS? part of the reason would be to be able to mount the gigabeat S as removeable, since making it removable with things as they are only shows the boot partition.
21:52:07gevaertsjhMikeS: you have two options I guess.
21:52:54gevaertsOne is to change fix_mbr() in usb_storage.c to do something with the first partition (such as setting the "hidden" bit)
21:53:58jhMikeSwould that tell it to keep searching?
21:54:16gevaertsThat would make Windows ignore it at least
21:54:50jhMikeSsecond option?
21:54:58pixelmavalentajn: hmm, my only idea is that your player may have file system problems (you could check on your PC). Are these files on a microSD or on the internal memory? I believe there were some issues on the Clip+ with microSD support but I don't know the details
21:55:52mudd1gevaerts, is HAVE_HOTSWAP the platform property I'd want to restrict my plugin to?
21:56:15gevaertsThe other option would be to change handle_scsi() to change block_count to the partition size and then fix the SCSI_READ_10 and SCSI_WRITE_10 cases to handle the offset. I think that's all, but I haven't checked in detail
21:56:20gevaertsmudd1: yes
21:56:43amiconnjhMikeS: Afaiu you could synthesize an mbr where the partition you want is the first (and only) one
21:57:17jhMikeShmmm....the host always needs to see an mbr, right?
21:57:31gevaertsNot if you simulate superfloppy mode
21:57:34amiconnBut you have to be careful if the partition is an extended one - and there's also the problem that if rockbox fakes an mbr, what do you do when the host writes to it?
21:57:58max131r28962 stress test passed - copyied 15 mp3 albums in different folders for a total amount 660Mb to the uSD without issues
21:58:11max131stress test 1 i mean
21:58:12jhMikeSamiconn: I did wonder
21:58:24jhMikeSgevaerts: is that a chore?
21:58:26gevaertsamiconn: we already fake to some extent on the beast. The bootable flags in its mbr aren't strictly legal
21:58:28*amiconn doesn't like this idea
21:58:55valentajnpixelma: files on the internal memory
21:58:56amiconnIf rockbox mangles the mbr - how do you fix a broken one?
21:59:10gevaertsjhMikeS: well, not really I think. If you *just* export the partition, everything should work
21:59:43gevaertsamiconn: in general I agree. On the beast however, there's this nice always-present "fix things from orbit" mode
21:59:44jhMikeSgevaerts: that avoids the dangers amiconn is talking about?
21:59:52amiconngevaerts: Emulating superfloppy is more costly I think. You always have to apply the offset
22:00:13gevaertsamiconn: yes, but that's one addition per 64K read or so. Hardly the end of the world
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22:00:36*jhMikeS thinks the beast has enough grunt for one addition
22:00:39amiconnjhMikeS: For superfloppy emulation you also have to check whether the partition is an extended one
22:01:05amiconnRight now rockbox doesn't have extended partitions in anyway (except ignoring them)
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22:01:11jhMikeSthe one with music is isn't it?
22:01:22amiconnNot on the beast
22:01:55valentajnpixelma: Thank you for your attention:)
22:02:04gevaertsOnt thing with superfloppy mode is that it has to be somehow optional. You want to be able to turn it off to do things like updating the bootloader
22:02:22gevaertsSo it would be one addition and one condition :)
22:02:42amiconnBut this ignorance of extended partitions caused trouble for some H300 users. Apparently iriver formatted some of them using an extended partition with a logical drive
22:03:32jhMikeSgevaerts: of course, hold a key while connecting, I'd imagine
22:03:33CIA-7New commit by moos (r28966): Update the french translation.
22:03:58gevaertsSomething like that
22:04:15gevaertsOr a button in bootloader USB and a setting in the main build
22:04:20amiconnFake mbr still sounds easier
22:04:28gevaertsfake mbr is two lines of code
22:04:55amiconnYou'd calculate that once (wshen mounting the drive), then hold it in memory
22:05:09jhMikeSwhat happens if someone tries formatting it or using a defragger?
22:05:11pixelmavalentajn: then as I said, the only idea I have is checking the file system. Maybe someone else knows more though, not sure
22:05:32CIA-7r28966 build result: All green
22:05:48gevaertsjhMikeS: not much. It's when they want to repartition that things will explode
22:06:00gevaertsBut then, if you do that on a beast, things will explode anyway
22:06:11amiconnHmm, maybe if it's in fake-mbr mode, return an error (scsi error?) when the host tries to write to sector 0?
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22:06:52amiconnReformatting the partition shouldn't cause problems
22:07:00jhMikeSin bl update mode I suppose just expose it as we do now with minimal alteration
22:07:55jhMikeSIt doesn't look like it's safe to write sector 0 now since it doesn't put the flags back
22:09:09gevaertsI think I saw Windows trying to write the MBR back in the early USB days when that didn't work yet.
22:09:18gevaertsOr maybe that was the FAT superblock
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22:09:45CIA-7New commit by moos (r28967): Update the portugues translation by Gabriel Maia FS #11857.
22:09:48Torneprobably the disk space record in the extended bpb
22:10:10amiconnThat's the simple solution. Maybe windows wants the data partition to be primary partition 1 in removable mode
22:10:35gevaertsSomeone has to test
22:10:45gevaertsipods work
22:10:47*jhMikeS is just about to
22:10:59gevaertsSo partition 2 should be fine I think
22:11:27gevaertsjhMikeS: don't forget to remove the removable exception at the end of the file :)
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22:11:39CIA-7r28967 build result: All green
22:11:51CIA-7New commit by moos (r28968): Update the tagalog translation by Melba Sitjar FS #11855.
22:12:04jhMikeSyou mean DEVICE_REMOVABLE?
22:12:21jhMikeSI did that
22:13:45CIA-7r28968 build result: All green
22:15:14amiconngevaerts: Ipods have their first partition set as type 0 though, not one of the hidden types
22:15:33gevaertsIf needed we could do that as well
22:15:49amiconn*Maybe* that's the reason why Apple chose type 0?
22:15:55jhMikeSlol, the boot one still shows up solo
22:16:38gevaertsamiconn: in their case it's not FAT anyway, so they had to pick something else
22:16:48amiconnIt isn't?
22:16:55amiconnAfair it's fat16
22:17:00gevaertsit is?
22:17:08amiconnlinuxstb should know
22:17:16jhMikeSgevaerts: well, windows couldn't care less if it's hidden :)
22:22:26jhMikeSit only cares if in fact I don't use DEVICE_REMOVABLE
22:22:56gevaertsSo try 0?
22:23:39jhMikeSDeviceTypeModifier is 0 again, then I only see the music partition, otherwise only the boot one
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22:25:21gevaertsMaybe it gets confused by all partitions being bootable?
22:26:00TheSevengevaerts, amiconn: the ipod firmware partition itself isn't fat16
22:26:00jhMikeSdon't know, how to find that out?
22:26:33gevaertsjhMikeS: by setting them all to 0 in fix_mbr(). Those are the 0x80s in there
22:26:41TheSevenit's some proprietary trivial "file system", and one of the files inside (called "rsrc"), contains a fat16 file system image of a resources file system
22:27:23TheSeven(the latter part being true for everything since (including) the nano2g, i don't know much about older ones)
22:27:36jhMikeSgevaerts: just change all to "= 0" instead of "&= 0x80"
22:27:39TheSevenbut i know for sure that the firmware partition itself has never been fat16
22:28:19jhMikeSgevaerts: keep the other modification?
22:28:27CIA-7New commit by alle (r28969): Fix another comment typo
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22:28:38gevaertsProbably. Otherwise you're not testing much
22:30:08jhMikeSstill doesn't care :\
22:30:26CIA-7r28969 build result: All green
22:30:43gevaertsOK. Let's drop windows support then :)
22:31:03jhMikeSif alle's going to keep fixing my typos, he got his work cut out for him
22:32:15amiconnSo it's partition remap time?
22:32:32gevaertsWell, there's one more thing to try
22:32:50gevaertsWhat if you set the partition size to 0?
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22:33:09jhMikeSwill that mess up any mapping?
22:34:21gevaertsNo. The next partition still has an absolute starting location
22:34:21amiconnWell, maybe that's sufficient. Just zero all fields of partition 1
22:34:21jhMikeSok, which field is that?
22:34:21gevaertsp[0x00] to p[0x0f]
22:34:24jhMikeSzer it all?
22:34:51gevaertsmemset(p,0,16) I'd say
22:36:07gevaertsIf it still finds the partition then, I want to know what it's doing
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22:39:10jhMikeSargh, windows is being stupid...connect and disconnect too many times then it starts failing till you close programs
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22:41:50jhMikeSok, it shows a drive letter but then say to insert a disk when i try to open it
22:44:11gevaertsSo *nothing* works?
22:45:32Buschelsoap: you there?
22:45:51soapyo I mean.,
22:46:16Buscheldid you see my latest comment in flyspray? I am fearing svn has a bug somewhere...
22:46:37BuschelThis morning I had the same issue with an unpatched version
22:46:45Buschel(on my iPod Video)
22:47:12soapSVN bug preventing rolo, AND presenting problems post-reboot?
22:47:23soapsmells like my heat-related problem again I fear.
22:47:29BuschelUI is perfectly usable, but won't play a song...
22:47:43soapbut WILL load small plugins.
22:47:51soapbut not mpegplayer
22:48:36soapI'm 3 hours into a playback loop I think right now.
22:48:37jhMikeSgevaerts: it seems it only wants the first one when reporting as removable
22:49:02gevaertsBut why do ipods work? Special code for them?
22:49:18soap50 some rock tracks on mp3.
22:50:32jhMikeSgevaerts: no idea, same for e200. perhaps a sample from one of those could tell?
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22:50:53gevaertse200 is easy, they have the second partition be special
22:51:30jhMikeSin what way?
22:52:26gevaertsThe first partition is the data partition, so the second partition not being shown isn't a problem
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22:52:59jhMikeSah, well that would've been nicer
22:54:44jhMikeSthis is probably why it's done that way :)
22:57:10amiconnIsn't there more than one place where an ums device can be marked 'removable'?
22:57:44amiconnjhMikeS: Well you can swap partitions in the fake mbr (or copy 2nd -> 1st and zero-out 2nd)
22:58:32Buschelsoap: if it locks up again, can you check whether test_disk is working?
22:59:41jhMikeSamiconn: good, I was considering that
23:00:01soapBuschel, will do.
23:00:13jhMikeSjust copy the 2nd 16 bytes to the first 16?
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23:00:24soapI'm running it with a massive playlist right now while powered externally.
23:00:35soapBut the room it's in is chilly...
23:01:08BuschelI had the issue directly after updating −− device eas pretty cold
23:04:09*Buschel starts a test with a build that does not change ATA DMA for iPod Video
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23:07:25jhMikeScopying the record works nicely :)
23:08:16jhMikeSer, table entry
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23:21:11jhMikeSpatch (just the basics):
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23:26:02CIA-7New commit by moos (r28970): Oops, remove an unneeded bit from FS #11855 committed in r28968
23:26:02CIA-7r28970 build result: All green
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23:32:45jhMikeSgevaerts: what's the proper way to deny a write to sector 0?
23:33:35gevaerts"Would you please avoid writing to sector zero in the future, Sir?"
23:33:45gevaertsOh, I see what you mean
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23:34:34jhMikeSin SCSI_WRITE_10?
23:35:16gevaertshm, not sure
23:35:39gevaertsI know the handler in case of storage_write_sectors should work properly
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23:40:21jhMikeSthat's not too late? it's not better to stop it early?
23:41:26gevaertshm, probably
23:41:54gevaertsSo yes, something like the ASC_LBA_OUT_OF_RANGE check may work
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23:45:41jhMikeSI expect I can just fudge things so it enters that block then (it looks ok)
23:46:35gevaertsFor sector 0, dd or fdisk should work :)
23:47:02*LambdaCalculus37 wants to revisit the Gigabeat T and try his hand and finding a signature exploit on it again
23:47:55*jhMikeS isn't excited about doing it deliberately and having to redo everything :o
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23:49:02gevaertsjhMikeS: what I usually do for that sort of test is first dd a chunk off the drive, and then dd that chunk back. If you don't make any size or offset mistakes, you can't destroy data
23:49:15simon_Anyone knows who is developing for the Ipod Classic? I heard it was TheSeven but I'm not sure really... Anyways, I flashed the build for the classic before the wiki was edited to mention that my model doesn't have working drivers for the HDD. What's the status for those drivers? Otherwise, how do one revert back to stock OS? :)
23:50:12gevaertssimon_: that's TheSeven, yes
23:51:58jhMikeSgevearts: I guess that works so long as it's a pure read
23:52:51gevaertsjhMikeS: no, both ways. The thing is that you write back what you just read, not random junk or zeros
23:53:31jhMikeSof course, but the reads are modified
23:53:43gevaertsah, yes
23:53:57jhMikeSI can remove that though for a test
23:54:02gevaertsYes, exactly
23:54:12gevaertsWindows doesn't need that fixup anyway
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23:54:59jhMikeSjust check cur_cmd.sector == 0 and that should block it, correct?
23:56:05jhMikeSdinner time for now though :)
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