#rockbox 2011-01-05

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#rockbox log for 2011-01-05

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00:05:32	yelped	I'm trying to compile for the first time, and I followed the instructions on the VMWare development Wiki, and I can't seem to download the svn; It tells me "connection timed out".
00:07:55	AlexP	does other net access work from the vm?
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00:09:01	yelped	How do I try it?
00:09:14	AlexP	ping something would be easiest I guess
00:09:21	AlexP	ping www.google.com
00:10:15	yelped	Where do I ping in linux? I've never used it before. I'm using the image provided on the wiki.
00:10:34	AlexP	from a terminal, the same place as you are giving the svn command
00:10:46	yelped	Ok, let me try.
00:10:54	AlexP	instead of typing "svn co ....." type "ping www.google.com"
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00:13:08	yelped	It's pinging. How many times will it continue to ping?
00:13:24	AlexP	until you stop it
00:13:29	AlexP	control-c
00:13:35	yelped	Thanks.
00:13:55	yelped	It did it 141 times.
00:14:10	AlexP	and worked presumably
00:14:24	yelped	0% packet loss.
00:15:28	AlexP	and "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" fails?
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00:15:41	AlexP	as it works here
00:15:54	AlexP	maybe you are behind a firewall that is blocking the svn port?
00:16:23	yelped	How to check? :)
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00:18:31	pixelma	AlexP: afaik auto-update doesn't depend on database in RAM, one of the things is though that it works better (a lot quicker) with dircache. I could be wrong too but I'm quite sure (e.g. the Archoses have auto-update but not load to RAM, and they also don't have dircache except on the 8MB mods)
00:19:00	AlexP	pixelma: Cool, I did hope I was misremembering
00:19:15	AlexP	pixelma: Maybe you could reply to put me right on the thread :)
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00:21:10	AlexP	yelped: I'd be surprised if it was blocked at home, not surprised at work
00:22:05	yelped	I'm at home.
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00:28:30	AlexP	yelped: windows firewall might be doing it I suppose
00:30:06	yelped	So how do I check it and change it? I'm using Windows 7.
00:31:52	AlexP	No idea I'm afraid, I don't use Windows
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00:33:52	mudd1	When writing a plugin, am I actually restricted to the plugin API or can I use any function Rockbox provides?
00:35:01	gevaerts	Both
00:35:18	LambdaCalculus37	Did anyone write up any information on what was done to find the digitial signature exploit on the Gigabeast?
00:35:24	gevaerts	You're restricted to the plugin API, but if you really need a function, the API can be extended
00:35:33	mudd1	I see
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00:36:02	mudd1	because I couldn't find a function to add a playlist file to the current playlist
00:36:15	mudd1	there's some playlist manipulation
00:36:20	mudd1	including adding single files
00:36:32	mudd1	but not whole playlists AFAICS
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00:37:53	gevaerts	mudd1: actually, I think playlist_create() will do that
00:38:22	*	gevaerts isn't sure though
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00:40:48	mudd1	looked to me as if it would create a new playlist file from the current playlist ... not the other way around
00:40:53	JdGordon\|	playlist_create() will start a new playlist
00:40:53	mudd1	but of course I might be wrong
00:41:05	JdGordon\|	you want ft_insert_from_playlist() or something
00:41:13	JdGordon\|	IIRC its in filetree.c not playlist
00:41:40	mudd1	in playlist.h I found playlist_insert_playlist() which looked promising
00:41:48	JdGordon\|	or that
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00:44:20	mudd1	there's a ft_play_playlist() in filetree
00:45:00	mudd1	I'm so confused ... is there a Right Way to do this or is it more like whatever works?
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00:47:37	JdGordon\|	playlist_insert_playlist() is correct
00:47:41	JdGordon\|	assuming it does what you want
00:49:57	mudd1	guess so, I cleared the current playlist first, then I want to use this function to fill the current playlist with the content of a stored one from disk
00:50:12	mudd1	do I need a third call to start playback?
00:50:23	JdGordon\|	maybe
00:52:51	mudd1	ok, thank you :)
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00:57:23	mudd1	yay, it built!
00:57:31	mudd1	my first Rockbox plugin
00:57:39	mudd1	time to screw my player
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01:11:49	jhMikeS	gevaerts: I think my MBR was rewritten somehow ?? filters were off and I see 0x00 in the status areas.
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01:25:43	jhMikeS	nvm...0x01
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01:32:27	webguest44	I Was Told To Ask For Write Permision?
01:33:13	yelped	Ok, it's working. The problem was that I was using the old version of VMWare linked to in the Direct Download link, the latest version works properly.
01:34:14	yelped	Before I compile, how do I change some lines?
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01:36:27	webguest44	Can I Get Added To The WikiUsersGroup?
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01:36:49	krazykit	webguest44, can you tell us your WikiName and not capitalize every single word?
01:37:16	webguest44	JesusRivera
01:39:00	jhMikeS	the dd sits there hanging trying write sector 0 and says the sem timeout expired
01:39:07	krazykit	it would probably help if i could remember which wiki page i'm supposed to edit
01:41:22	krazykit	sorry, webguest44, you'll have to wait for someone more useful than me
01:42:15	webguest44	lol... ok
01:44:31	yelped	How do I select Sansa Fuze while building? "make 58" doesn't work.
01:45:58	yelped	Forget about it. I got it.
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01:57:24	yelped	How do I edit the source once I have the build environment set up?
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02:00:43	[Saint]	webguest44: We need a little more info than that ;)
02:00:50	[Saint]	ie. Real Name
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02:01:39	webguest44	Jesus Rivera
02:02:33	[Saint]	thanks, one secone.
02:02:38	webguest44	ok
02:03:43	yelped	How do I edit the source once I have the build environment set up?
02:04:16	[Saint]	with a text editor that respects line ending chars
02:04:21	[Saint]	like NotePad++
02:04:26	[Saint]	or SciTE
02:04:53	yelped	I mean, "Where do I find them?
02:05:25	[Saint]	you need to check out the source code.
02:05:32	yelped	How?
02:05:40	jhMikeS	now the hard part is getting a keypress to work to change modes
02:05:42	[Saint]	this is covered in the wiki under development - getting started IIRC
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02:06:09	[Saint]	webguest44: ^
02:06:17	webguest44	Thanks
02:08:00	yelped	I did that already, I just don't see a file-brwoser to get to the files I downloaded. Also when do I apply the changes before makefile?
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02:09:09	[Saint]	what are you expecting to see?
02:09:22	[Saint]	if you know where you downloaded the source to....navigatye there.
02:09:27	[Saint]	*navigate
02:10:24	yelped	I'm using the linux build provided under the Vmware Wiki page, and I've never used Linux, I have no idea how to get to the files.
02:11:08	*	[Saint] suggests google
02:11:39	[Saint]	this isn't a "geberal *nix questions" channel unfortunately.
02:11:42	mudd1	It worked! :D I inserted a MicroSD card and music started to play!
02:11:49	[Saint]	However, there's many of them on IRC
02:12:00	[Saint]	bah... *general
02:12:00	mudd1	(sorry if you can't share my enthusiasm ;)
02:13:12	yelped	Ok, I'll try, even though this appears to be a cut down version of linux, so I really don't know who to ask.
02:14:13	[Saint]	iirc, it's just a cropped version of Ubuntu...you really just need to brush up on navigating a *nix setup.
02:14:38	[Saint]	I personally have no idea where you installed everything, so I can't just say "look here".
02:15:51	mudd1	it only seems to work when the debug output is activated though ...
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02:20:14	yelped	I did this:svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox cd rockbox mkdir Fuze cd Fuze ../tools/configure make
02:20:26	mudd1	this is going to get ugly
02:24:03	Strife89	svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox && cd rockbox && mkdir Fuze && cd Fuze && ../tools/configure [follow script instructions] make && make zip
02:24:25	Strife89	FTFY, but that assumes you have the toolchains set up.
02:24:56	yelped	What?
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02:25:19	krabador	have you ever browse SMB shares from android?
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02:25:54	yelped	I want to be able to get to the source code and edit it, and I don't see a file-browser to get to it.
02:26:21	yelped	Thanks for your help in advance..
02:26:31	*	Strife89 doesmn
02:26:46	Strife89	't remember what the VMWare package has.
02:26:50	soap	Buschel, still no crash, six hours in a cool room.
02:27:20	Strife89	Nautilus is the only Linux file manager I know by name.
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02:28:24	yelped	How do I install it. I've never used linux before.
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02:36:03	Strife89	Dunno if it has apt on it ...
02:36:24	yelped	So what can I do?
02:37:14	Strife89	Ah, wiki page says it does.
02:37:18	Strife89	So, open eterm.
02:37:39	Strife89	*Eterms
02:37:55	yelped	ok.
02:38:18	Strife89	Type su
02:38:35	Strife89	It will ask for a password, which is rockbox
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02:39:04	yelped	ok.
02:39:10	Strife89	Next, sudo apt-get install nautilus
02:39:23	JdGordon\|	guys, this is #rockbox
02:39:32	JdGordon\|	move to -community if it isnt about actual development
02:39:58	yelped	it says sudo is not a command
02:40:14	Strife89	Ah, right. Omit sudo.
02:40:21	Strife89	And join #rockbox-community
02:40:28	yelped	ok,
02:40:41	yelped	how
02:40:44	yelped	?
02:41:17	Strife89	/join #rockbox-community in the text box where you type messages. :)
02:41:29	Strife89	Without the space before the /
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02:48:46	mudd1	it kinda works but I need to sleep now
02:48:59	mudd1	thank you guys for all the help again :)
02:49:13	mudd1	good night
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03:43:58	eRivas	is it possible to have a non filled progress bar, to emulate a radio tuner, just like here: http://www.tech2.com/media/images/2008/Aug/img_80991_radio_recorder.jpg
03:43:59	eRivas	?
03:46:06	JdGordon\|	yes
03:46:16	JdGordon\|	check the Bar tags part of CheckWPS
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03:48:04	eRivas	CheckWPS, got a link?
03:48:12	JdGordon\|	woops
03:48:14	JdGordon\|	CustomWPS
03:48:16	JdGordon\|	on the wiki
03:50:23	eRivas	oh, I see, the slider param, right? thanks, will give it a shot
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04:04:21	[Saint]	Hmmm, I think those ATA changes may have broken iPod Color too.
04:04:35	[Saint]	It won't mount under RB, says it isn't formatted.
04:06:10	jhMikeS	did you update?
04:06:16	[Saint]	disk mode is fine so, whatever it is is apparently RB's problem.
04:06:27	[Saint]	No, just updating now...just noticed your commit.
04:08:29	jhMikeS	Crazy "bootloader install mode" beast patch (that also makes it a removable disk): http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/gigabeats-bootloader-install-mode-usb.diff
04:09:12	[Saint]	jhMikeS: Just updated, still won't mount under RB
04:09:31	[Saint]	OF/Disk mode are fine though.
04:09:54	jhMikeS	if that commit didn't do the trick, then I'm stumped since it was obvious what was wrong (??)
04:10:06	[Saint]	:/
04:10:20	[Saint]	well, fudge.
04:10:48	jhMikeS	sure you got it updated right? I can't see what changes should affect it beyond the one tiny bug.
04:10:57	[Saint]	I'll build the rev before the ATA changes and see if that magically fixes it and confirms my suspicions.
04:11:10	[Saint]	I can't do it right now though, and yeah...positive.
04:13:40	[Saint]	The iPod Colour has been having a few quirks lately (see forums), I think something just tipped it over the edge...yay for biscecting commits. At least there isn't too many.
04:15:34	jhMikeS	Hmmm...effectively it should be "no change at all" to the code by the latest SVN. I don't get it. I haven't tried any PP targets yet.
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04:22:09	*	[Saint] shrugs.
04:22:49	[Saint]	format with itunes, install latest SVN head, no mount.
04:23:17	[Saint]	happening with two devices though, so...if it's not RB then my machine has gone mental.
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04:31:01	[Saint]	wow...I can't believe what a serious hit the iPod colour took in performance with FS #11141
04:31:15	[Saint]	the buffer never fills, and skipping tracks take ~1min.
04:32:26	[Saint]	Buschel: ^
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04:49:46	izinucs	If anyone is up.. I don't see the SanDisk e250 on the list for compatibility.. it is older.. anyone know if rockbox will work on it?
04:50:41	sinthetek	izinucs: it will
04:50:51	sinthetek	izinucs: it's under 'sansa'
04:51:34	sinthetek	izinucs: just use the auto-detect from the installer to determine which version e250 it is and install it
04:52:00	izinucs	sinthetek: thanks..
04:52:35	izinucs	sinthetek: not having read any of the docs on RB yet.. am I able to backup the original system for possible reinstall later?
04:53:03	izinucs	and can all that be done on a linux system?
04:53:38	sinthetek	izinucs: err... actually it's listed as an 'e200 series' device but it works (that's what i have)
04:53:50	krazykit	the e200 series dual-boots, rockbox can be uninstalled, and yes, also yes, the docs answer all of this :)
04:54:06	izinucs	cool.. thanks guys (gals?)
04:54:20	sinthetek	izinucs: yeah, it keeps the original os on there so you press a button during boot and it loads
04:54:38	sinthetek	np
04:55:07	izinucs	I looked at the flash memory with parted and it shows two partitions.. is the smaller one the imbeded system or is that in a rom?
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05:14:10	eRivas	is there a way to emulate connection to AC power on the UIsim?
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05:19:00	Hillshum	There's a way to simulate USB connection...
05:19:15	Hillshum	eRivas: What do you mean by AC power?
05:19:30	eRivas	it's just that I want to make sure my "charging" icon works fine
05:21:06	Hillshum	Does the USB simulation not provide power?
05:21:31	eRivas	dont know, how do I do USB sim?
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05:24:46	eRivas	never mind, just found out, but I only see the big USB cable, no power is provided
05:25:03	eRivas	well, I guess it's time to actually try the theme on the player
05:27:06	[Saint]	just switch it with a different conditional.
05:27:25	[Saint]	if it works there, it'll work with another tag as long as you have the correct syntax
05:28:37	[Saint]	for SIM testing (though, you really should be using the themeeditor) I used to just use the hold conditional to check on/off;true/false tags like charging etc.
05:29:18	[Saint]	testing on the sim is pretty painfull though, one step less painfull than testing on device though.
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05:29:53	eRivas	this is just may second theme, and the first where I use the SIM, it saves SOOO much time
05:30:17	[Saint]	try the themeeditor.
05:30:23	eRivas	cant believe how many times I connected/disconnected the device before, hahaha
05:31:39	Hillshum	eRivas: There should be a button to charge without connecting to USB, try holding that on the sim while "connecting" USB
05:31:56	Hillshum	I don't know what it is for your particular device
05:32:12	*	[Saint] sin't sure that is emulated.
05:32:22	[Saint]	*isn't
05:32:37	eRivas	sansa fuze v2
05:32:43	[Saint]	But, seriously...USE THE THEMEEDITOR! ;)
05:32:57	Hillshum	probably select then, but I'm not sure. Try themeeditor
05:32:58	eRivas	hahaha, thanks, will give a try
05:33:06	[Saint]	it was made for a reason lol!
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05:33:26	eRivas	but will be in a couple of months, college is gonna be heavy
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05:46:12	[Saint]	Anyone understand the voodoo world of DMA?
05:46:44	[Saint]	I'm trying to understand why I take such a huge hit with FS #11141
05:47:21	[Saint]	the buffer like never fills, it never even gets to about 10% with this patch and skipping tracks is out of the question.
05:48:01	[Saint]	perhaps because I've clocked down to 24Mhz unboosted instead of 30?
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06:06:56	eRivas	is there anything the theme editor does to the files when it parses them?
06:07:20	eRivas	just opened my cfg, wps, sbs and fms and now they are all broken
06:07:46	[Saint]	haha...you've been developing for a release build haven't you? ;)
06:08:40	[Saint]	the theme editor doesn't understand "old" theme syntax.
06:09:30	[Saint]	wait...you'd have to have an ancient build for that not to work.
06:09:42	eRivas	well, my sansa has 3.7.1
06:09:52	[Saint]	if you've been developing for 3.7/.7..then it should work fine.
06:10:10	[Saint]	*3.7/.1
06:10:45	eRivas	yeah, I mean, just installed what the rockbox utility gave me
06:11:13	eRivas	but it seems that passing the files through notepad++ is fixing it
06:11:58	*	[Saint] wonders what the fuck is going on there.
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06:17:12	eRivas	yeah, back to normal, I changed some positioning and size of an image, it fixed it
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06:17:41	eRivas	also noticed the theme editor will put foreground color declarations on its own line
06:17:58	eRivas	UIsim wont render fonts that way
06:20:20	[Saint]	the themeeditor has a nasty habit of doing that, but...that shouldn't break anything.
06:20:52	[Saint]	fg/bg declarations have been able to be seperate from the VP declaration for ages now.
06:21:20	[Saint]	that should not break loading fonts in any way.
06:21:25	eRivas	yeah, I think it was my fault, I mean, I changed some positioning values and it parsed just right, but it wouldn't work on the player/sim
06:21:49	[Saint]	something is very fucked up then.
06:22:13	[Saint]	the "golden rule" is supposed to be, "if it parses in the themeeditor, it will parse on device"
06:22:23	[Saint]	that's how I fixed your theme up the other day.
06:23:14	eRivas	I'll be uploading it in a few minutes, if you want to take a look
06:23:43	[Saint]	I will if you can't figure it out, yeah.
06:24:13	eRivas	no, its okay now, but had to edit with notepad++
06:24:43	[Saint]	what OS are you on?
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06:25:27	[Saint]	a .wps .sbs .fms .rsbs .<whatever> doesn't care about line ending chars.
06:25:34	[Saint]	you can use whatever editor you want.
06:25:42	eRivas	right now windows, but normally mint/ubuntu, just was too lazy to compile the sim and theme editor
06:25:48	[Saint]	you could use windows notepad if you really wanted to.
06:26:35	eRivas	yeah, las time it was gedit, which produces that weird double spaced lines in pastebin
06:26:41	eRivas	last*
06:27:10	[Saint]	perhaps the themeeditor doesn't liek *nix line ending chars.
06:27:16	[Saint]	the device won;t care though.
06:27:20	[Saint]	*like
06:27:25	[Saint]	*won't
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06:30:53	JdGordon\|	I tihnk it only looks for \n
06:30:56	JdGordon\|	ignoring \r complelty
06:31:46	[Saint]	perhaps...I've never actually checked. I'm too used to SciTE that just respects the line ending chars of whatever you're editing.
06:32:09	[Saint]	any "good" editor should, perhaps a setting oversight.
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08:20:33	Buschel	[Saint]: FS #11141 buffers fine on iPod Video (build against r28960)
08:23:47	Buschel	soap: yesterday night I again had the lockup issue with r28960 (w/o ATA DMA change). it happened when creating a new database while playing a mpc or mp3 file.
08:24:37	Buschel	soap: also, it seems like USB is not connecting anymore −− need to use EmergencyDisk mode
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08:26:33	[Saint]	Buschel: Do you think the ATA patch I'm testing for you would break 11141?
08:26:40	[Saint]	I just thought of that now.
08:27:14	Buschel	do not know. neverhteless FS #11141 is more or less experimental. I do not use it anymore
08:27:28	[Saint]	Ah, fair enough.
08:27:38	[Saint]	I thought I would try it out.
08:28:09	Buschel	I should just close it as it most likely won't make it into svn
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08:28:44	[Saint]	the same could be said for many things on the tracker ;)
08:28:56	[Saint]	you never know, you may pick it back up again later
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08:39:17	CIA-7	New commit by Buschel (r28971): Fix FS #5317. mp3_encoder does now properly encode mono files. Still there is a bug when using sampling rates != 44100 Hz.
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08:41:25	CIA-7	r28971 build result: All green
08:43:50	[Saint]	Buschel: The line selector seems to have developed some visible tearing while scrolling on iPod Colour.
08:44:15	[Saint]	I guess I need to figure out which LCD patch introduces this.
08:46:09	[Saint]	Hmmm, actually. perhaps this is a GUI Boost thing. Rolling back to a build without seems to fix it..
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08:46:35	Buschel	set the CPU to boosted manually and try again
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08:46:57	[Saint]	derp ;)
08:47:02	[Saint]	Thanks.
08:47:08	Buschel	USB is definately broken for iPod Video with r28971
08:48:09	[Saint]	Damn, manual boosting doesn't fix it. Why have I not noticed it before?
08:48:26	Buschel	[Saint]: that's I wanted to ask you :)
08:48:33	[Saint]	I swear it is recent, but it would make sense if LCD changes introduced this.
08:50:39	Buschel	no USB for iPod Video with r28953 as well...
08:53:28	Buschel	USB works with an old local build (based on r28407)
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09:10:20	wodz	[Saint]: Are you using theme editor?
09:11:01	[Saint]	Only if I really can't see in error in a document usually.
09:11:15	[Saint]	Mostly to parse other peoples work. Howcome?
09:12:47	wodz	I see annoying behaviour that when I select .wps directly form sim dir paths to graphics are scrambled (/wps becomes /wps/wps)
09:13:12	wodz	have you seen something like this?
09:14:15	[Saint]	I can't say I have, no.
09:14:28	wodz	weird
09:14:37	wodz	let's try again
09:14:45	[Saint]	I will usually let the themeeditor create the theme from scratch and then paste code into it though.
09:15:43	[Saint]	as in "create new project".
09:16:09	wodz	hmm maybe thats the trick
09:16:32	[Saint]	then it creates the folder structure somewhere you choose, with blank .cfg, .wps, .sbs documents etc.
09:16:39	[Saint]	then, I paste my code into there.
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09:17:26	wodz	could you try to open existing WPS directly?
09:18:19	[Saint]	works as expected here.
09:19:16	wodz	damn
09:21:13	wodz	I get following error http://www.pastie.org/1430515 (it is cropped I think) when I try to load cabbie v2 from .simdisk
09:22:19	[Saint]	what about if it's not in simdisk?
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09:22:59	pixelma	charging is simulated in the sim but in an automatic way - battery level drops and then rises simulating being charged. This is a regular pattern that can't be influenced by the user
09:24:00	[Saint]	pixelma: but...it can't be switched by a key, which was the point I believe.
09:24:18	[Saint]	no way to test charging true/false tags.
09:24:53	pixelma	no, it can't be switched - you can still see if your true/false tags are working
09:25:11	pixelma	it pretends to be charging
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09:25:52	[Saint]	all that happens when I run my themes through the sim is the battery level alternates from high to low.
09:25:59	[Saint]	the charging case never comes up.
09:26:13	[Saint]	unless I switch it with hold instead.
09:26:27	pixelma	what?
09:27:01	[Saint]	as in, instead of checking for charging true false, I check for hold treu/false to test charging tags.
09:27:14	[Saint]	well, used to...sim editing is painful.
09:27:15	pixelma	you mean if you use another conditional instead?
09:27:56	[Saint]	gah...language barries.
09:28:09	[Saint]	In the sim, I never get a "charging true" case.
09:28:26	[Saint]	so to test if it's working, I'll use another conditiona.
09:29:27	[Saint]	the way I see it, it doesn't "pretend to charge" at all...it simply goes slowly from 0 to 100% and back again, repeat.
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09:30:03	wodz	http://www.pastie.org/1430517 <−− such organization of files works but this is not what rockbox uses
09:31:18	[Saint]	wodz: what's wrong there?
09:31:36	[Saint]	oh...right. yeah, I see it.
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09:32:46	pixelma	while battery percentage "rises" in the sim, charging is "true" - I'm quite sure I tested the colour port of my WPS this way where you could clearly see that it takes effect (shown battery percentage gets a different colour)
09:34:24	pixelma	haven't tested lately though
09:34:42	[Saint]	perhaps it is because I test for %bp before testing for %bc
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09:37:45	wodz	well, themeeditor rendering is inaccurate at best
09:38:41	[Saint]	wodz: howso?
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09:40:57	wodz	[Saint]: http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3729/themeeditorcabbiev2.png
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09:41:40	wodz	a wait
09:41:56	wodz	maybe this just wrong screen dimensions
09:42:45	wodz	false alarm, screen dimensions were wrong
09:43:15	[Saint]	yes, it doesn't know what device you're making it for unless you create the documents with the editor.
09:43:46	[Saint]	so it can't guess screen dimensions. It should really match the backdrop if on is called but it doesn't.
09:44:01	[Saint]	s/on/one/
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09:45:54	wodz	models/parsetreemodel.cpp:306 is the cause
09:46:04	wodz	it adds /wps/ unconditionally
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09:48:40	[Saint]	he has school.
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18:49:10	Buschel	gevaerts: seems I tested crap this morning. in fact USB works on iPod Video with r28971 (downloaded zip and own build)
18:49:26	gevaerts	Buschel: yes, I just saw the flyspray messages
18:49:30	gevaerts	Good news :)
18:50:23	Buschel	yes :)
18:51:35	Buschel	but I am still concerned about the playback/HDD-load freezes or lockups I saw the past days with different versions
18:52:16	Buschel	this began with builds from r28940 (maybe r28915). which is before the ATA changes...
18:53:10	Buschel	first I thought this was connected to the patch in FS #11830. but it also appeared without this patch with plain svn builds...
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18:56:19	Buschel	some dual core issue maybe?
18:57:49	Buschel	I cannot really judge the lates kernel/thread/priority changes (several from r28877 to r2882x)
18:58:03	Buschel	oops, up to r2892x
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19:02:32	sideral	saratoga: no problem. just check http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11748#comment38076, it has a fix for your hastily stitched HWCODEC patch
19:06:01	saratoga	sideral: i don't have a lot of time at the moment, but the first patch looks good, i'll try and get it in today
19:06:35	saratoga	regarding HWCODEC, most devices have little ram, but they do work with the database (although I think they probably tend to not load it to RAM if that matters)
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19:07:09	n1s	they can't load it to ram even (it's disabled for them)
19:07:31	saratoga	even the 8MB ones?
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19:08:08	n1s	the 8MB ones are a hw mod so i'm not sure all the other hwcodec targets are 2MB
19:08:44	pixelma	I believe it's enabled for the 8MB mods but those are rare
19:08:56	sideral	OK. As I said, I'd be willing to port autoresume to HWCODEC (mpeg.c) if I had access to such a device or a simulator for one
19:09:22	sideral	It should be rather trivial
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19:44:55	Horscht	hi, does someone of you know a alarm clock that's compatible to an Ipod Video running Rockbox? My old (no name brand) broke and the Logic3 TimeCube simply wont wake me up using the ipod
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20:28:52	jgarvey	I had an archos jukebox that died. I've still got the leather case (http://www.newmp3technology.com/studiocase.htm). If you send me a prepaid mailing envelope it's all yours (raleigh, nc).
20:29:20	jgarvey	preference given to rockbox developers (I can find your name as a contributor).
20:30:09	saratoga	what happened to the player?
20:30:23	jgarvey	tried to upgrade it, and it shorted.
20:30:42	jgarvey	so fried.
20:30:57	saratoga	i didn't even know you could short an archos
20:31:20	saratoga	oh you mean memory upgrade?
20:31:53	jgarvey	actually the original upgrade directions I found mentioned the shorting problem, but now that I finally got around to it, I couldn't find the same directions again. And it was a drive upgrade
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20:35:55	CIA-7	New commit by jethead71 (r28972): Gigabeat S: Make it a removable mass-storage device. Windows will assign a drive to only the main data partition by default. To access the bootloader ...
20:37:40	CIA-7	r28972 build result: All green
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21:39:01	leavittx	hi! is there any way to firmware/export/config/<some_target>.h to be somehow included so that my ide (i.e. qtcreator) will highlight preprocessor directives correctly?
21:39:26	leavittx	i mean before i compile anything
21:39:53	gevaerts	That's probably a question for people who know your ide
21:44:47	Torne	you probably just need to find hte list of defines in the makefile generated by configure and stick that in the ide somewhere
21:44:59	Torne	then config.h will include the right target config for you
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21:53:29	n1s	i wonder if the /lib/cpp symlink is actually needed and if rockboxdev.sh should create it if it is, and if it should then remove it too?
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23:11:47	linuxstb	n1s: (for the logs), I don't know if you worked it out, but it looks like installing g++ would create that symlink, at least according to this: http://www.terrencemiao.com/Webmail/msg00942.html (IIUC, you created that symlink yourself, and then installed g++).
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23:35:07	leavittx	i forgot,why "typedef struct {int a,b;}Stype;" like things are not good for rockbox?
23:36:08	leavittx	and also, is it ok to use c99 features like "for (int a = 0; ;)"?
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23:42:05	Torne	sideral: the issue with bookmarks sometimes not being created htat you mentioned on -dev is because they're not created on idle poweroff
23:42:19	Torne	this is a bug and i know why but i can't think of a particularly clean fix for it that works for all cases
23:42:29	Torne	there's a fix that handles the usual case, though, i just haven;t done it
23:42:41	sideral	ah, that explains it
23:42:42	Torne	the problem is idle poweroff stops playback before calling the poweroff code
23:42:58	Torne	and thus the poweroff sees playback is not active and concludes there's no bookmark to create
23:43:12	Torne	in the "normal" case for idle poweroff this can be fixed by just removing the audio_stop() call
23:43:22	Torne	since audio will get stopped during shutdown anyway, it's redundant
23:43:41	Torne	wait
23:43:45	Torne	i don't mean idle poweroff at all
23:43:47	Torne	i mean the sleep timer
23:43:49	Torne	totally different
23:43:53	Torne	idle poweroff should work.
23:44:18	Torne	the problem case is the sleep timer going off on a device where you can't power off while charging, when it's plugged in
23:44:26	sideral	hmm, I hadn't been using the sleep timer when I was experimenting with bookmarks
23:44:29	Torne	it needs to stop audio because that's the defined behaviour of sleep
23:44:44	Torne	but there's no (easy) way for firmwar eto call up to app to have it write a bookmark
23:44:50	Torne	anyway, sorry
23:44:53	Torne	there may be other bugs too :)
23:44:53	sideral	I see.
23:45:10	Torne	but i fixed several cases of bookmarks not being created some time ago
23:45:11	sideral	I think the simpler explanation is that I may have started the track from the DB
23:45:18	Torne	the sleep timer is the only one i know of that still doesn't work
23:45:29	sideral	which sometimes would create an unusable bookmark and sometimes no bookmark at all
23:45:35	Torne	sorry,i was misremembering what i fixed and what i didn't
23:46:42	Torne	anyway, er, i've poked hte bookmark code quite a bit so feel free to poke me about bugs in it
23:46:54	Torne	i'm not the guy to ask about what the ui should be, though
23:47:03	Torne	and i'm largely indifferent to your resume use case
23:47:32	sideral	I did not mean to single out bookmarks as the buggiest piece of rockbox, i only meant to illustrate that it was quite a complex system
23:47:42	Torne	:)
23:47:42	Torne	but i did used to use bookmarks quite heavily
23:47:55	gevaerts	sideral: are you implying that rockbox is even buggier on average?
23:48:09	sideral	aaargh, no ;)
23:48:17	gevaerts	:)
23:48:40	sideral	although playing with svn head can sometimes give you that impression :)
23:49:09	Torne	i personally don't find bookmarks complicated..
23:49:19	Torne	but then i dont use the database for anything i would want to bookmark
23:49:42	Torne	which simplifies matters some
23:49:58	sideral	yeah, missing DB support is the major reason why I never use bookmarks even when I'd like to
23:50:38	sideral	but I also did not like the automatic bookmark creation feature because it clutters the file system and the recent-bookmark list
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23:50:54	sideral	with bookmarks that I don't actually need
23:51:01	Torne	well, that's why i added a feature to prevent that from happening
23:51:08	Torne	though i think it's perhaps not documented very well
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23:51:23	Torne	if you set bookmarks to auto update on stop it will only add bookmarks to existing files
23:51:33	Torne	so you just need one bookmark file in your podcast folder, or whatever
23:51:36	Torne	and then it bookmarks just there
23:51:38	Torne	and nowhere else
23:52:04	sideral	I found that feature and even read the documentation, but somehow I had trouble understanding it, or it didn't fit my use case
23:52:22	Torne	well please improve the docs
23:52:27	Torne	or rename it, if you can think of a better name
23:52:31	Torne	as that name kinda sucks
23:52:39	Torne	it may not handle every case, no
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23:52:49	sideral	I'll leave that to someone who actually uses the feature
23:53:00	Torne	it comes down to the disjoin between the different ways a playlist can be spawned
23:53:14	sideral	also, I'm too busy defending autoresume on the mailing list ;)
23:53:18	Torne	bookmarks are on the playlist, not the file, and different kinds of playlist work annoyingly differently
23:53:34	sideral	yep
23:53:48	Torne	that would be something clearly worth attacking ;)
23:54:07	sideral	which is one of the reasons I think a per-track feature such as autoresume is warranted
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23:54:26	Torne	sure, like i said i'm not aainst it
23:54:35	Torne	though i also object to the original version on complexity grounds
23:54:52	Torne	i get your use cases, i just don't need htem :)
23:55:25	sideral	the only thing I regard as mildly complex in autoresume is the configuration
23:55:39	Torne	yes
23:55:40	Torne	that's what imean
23:55:59	sideral	and we already got rid of one confusing setting with Thomas Martitz' help
23:56:02	Torne	anyway, i'll leave you to that one
23:56:15	Torne	but if you have thoughts on bookmarking feel free to poke me
23:56:24	sideral	OK, thanks, will do!
23:56:26	Torne	and i may be able to help with that, for different use cases
23:58:10	sideral	cool, thanks −− and shame on you for eliminating the "no one works on bookmarks" argument I was going to include in my next mailing-list reply
23:58:12	sideral	;)
23:58:18	Torne	well it was a while ago
23:58:25	Torne	and i should really have fixed the sleep timer thing by now
23:58:30	Torne	but i have been busy )

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