#rockbox 2011-01-11

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00:43:18	enthdegree	Hello, all. I am having difficult time unbricking my c200
00:44:09	gevaerts	What sort of problems are you having?
00:44:45	enthdegree	I stopped using it for a while and now when I turn it on it has a dark screen with the blue lights on
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00:45:45	*	gevaerts nods
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00:46:11	enthdegree	apparently it's in 'manufacturing mode' because it has a bad flash
00:46:57	gevaerts	Did you have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200Unbrick ?
00:47:39	enthdegree	yes, I have preformed that
00:48:20	enthdegree	wait, let me try again
00:49:34	enthdegree	after running the bootloader it says "Loading main image failed" "Switching to recovery mode" then something else, the screen switches too fast for me to see
00:49:53	enthdegree	then 'lun0 unlocked' 'lun0 locked' 'lun0unlocked' etc etc.
00:50:03	gevaerts	Right. You're in recovery mode then
00:50:32	gevaerts	So at that point, switch to the instructions for recovery mode
00:51:41	gevaerts	i.e. copy pribootLoader.rom and firmware.mi4 to the recovery filesystem, unmount and unplug
00:53:31	enthdegree	It says "Upgrade finished Resetting system"
00:54:01	enthdegree	I've done this before, though maybe I didn't wait long enough since I see the instructions say it takes a long time
00:54:22	gevaerts	It shouldn't take too long
00:55:42	gevaerts	What's it doing now?
00:56:10	enthdegree	It just has the blue lights on as in recovery mode
00:56:30	gevaerts	ok, so that didn't work. Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaC200Erase
00:57:05	enthdegree	aha! I will do that
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01:01:26	gevaerts	That will take a while. When it's done, it will again appear to be in the same state (blue light only), but the internal flash should be in a state such that the "normal" manufacturer mode + recovery mode (the bits you've tried before) actually work
01:06:01	enthdegree	okay thanks
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01:07:55	sideral	Saint: I haven't had any fs corruptions since applying gevaerts' hotfix (yet). You?
01:10:15	gevaerts	That sounds good
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01:11:56	sideral	gevaerts: I think your patch should be good as a stop-gap measure until we come up with a more complete solution
01:12:15	gevaerts	sideral: what's incomplete about it?
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01:12:51	sideral	doesn't flush/close file descriptors before killing them
01:14:41	gevaerts	It does close them.
01:15:41	gevaerts	But yes, flushing may be a good idea (although I'm not 100% sure it's needed)
01:15:57	gevaerts	I wouldn't consider this a stop-gap measure though
01:16:37	sideral	it releases the FDs hard
01:16:52	gevaerts	Is that a problem?
01:17:00	sideral	the code in release_files is quite different from the one in close
01:17:22	sideral	close calls fsync if the FD is dirty
01:17:57	sideral	and updates the dircache −− which may not be needed in this case
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01:18:05	gevaerts	Any thread that has open files is supposed to close them when it gets the USB_CONNECTED message. If a file descriptor is still open after that point, we already have a serious bug
01:18:22	sideral	yes, that's what I just was going to say
01:18:31	gevaerts	In my view, what we're concerned with is making sure the filesystem is clean
01:18:35	sideral	in this particular case (USB inser), we may be fine
01:18:50	sideral	^insert
01:18:51	gevaerts	No other cases ever even call unmount
01:19:06	sideral	yeah −− currently ;)
01:20:35	sideral	it would be a defensive measure to close the FDs. It's fine to not do this now, but perhaps a warning in the code would be warranted
01:21:34	*	gevaerts doesn't see the problem
01:22:45	gevaerts	I could actually imagine (arguably buggy) code where things go wrong if you fsync on unmount
01:22:51	sideral	to illustrate, see what happened with the call to disk_unmount −− the code wasn't robust enough to be called from disk_unmount_all, and the problem wasn't documented in the code
01:23:41	sideral	But anyway, I won't insist too much. It's your code ;)
01:23:54	gevaerts	Well, disk.c isn't my code...
01:24:51	gevaerts	The way I see it is just that if you don't close() or fsync() your file descriptor, the data may or may not be on disk. That's not just the case in rockbox
01:26:24	gevaerts	So you end up with a file descriptor that should have been closed already. What indication do you have that flushing the remaining data to disk is better than leaving it at it previous state? The data in the buffer was put ther by known-buggy code
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01:27:07	sideral	Right. I can see the argument that disk_unmount_all should be concerned with unmounting cleanly, not with pampering buggy code. I'm fine with you making the call.
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01:29:29	gevaerts	If [Saint] reports improvements, I'll commit this tomorrow (possibly with a comment explaining my reasoning why no more is needed)
01:29:54	[Saint]	this is the patch from earlier?
01:29:59	gevaerts	yes
01:30:21	[Saint]	Right, I can give it a decent ammount of testing over the next 24 hours.
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01:31:45	Antibuddha	i formatted my 240gb hard drive to fat32 and it only has 60gb of space now, why?
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01:35:51	Antibuddha	anyone know what could be wrong if my 240gb hard drive only shows as 60gb capacity?
01:36:17	sideral	Saint: Excellent. −− I'm off, talk to you guys tomorrow.
01:36:30	[Saint]	o/
01:37:01	gevaerts	Antibuddha: my bet would be that you used a broken formatting tool
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01:55:13	Antibuddha	gevaerts: yah, what formatting tool would you recommend?
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02:35:57	enthdegree	there should be a white/brown/pink/grey/blue noise generator
02:37:02	krazykit	enthdegree, feel free to code one up :)
02:37:24	enthdegree	okay I just might (c:
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02:45:22	enthdegree	What on earth! I just reformated my C250 using the unbrick guide and the erasing guide and it worked
02:45:30	enthdegree	for 15 minutes
02:46:24	enthdegree	now I am back to where I started
02:46:29	enthdegree	maybe I need a new device
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02:49:06	Antibuddha	ok i think i bricked my iriver h120
02:49:15	Antibuddha	anyone want to fix it for some pay?
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02:56:16	Antibuddha	i had a 240gb hard drive in an ipod, ipod rockbox installed, and then i moved it to my iriver h120. i think that bricked it
02:57:06	Antibuddha	i heard maybe t here's a way to fix it with specialized tools?
02:58:24	Antibuddha	brb
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02:59:23	enthdegree	hahaha how good is mpegplayer on the Clip+?
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03:05:25	Antibuddha	hi
03:05:33	Antibuddha	i swapped back to 80gb hard drive for my h120 and it worked!
03:05:48	Antibuddha	but i want to know how to get 240 gb hard drive to work. it says ata error -32 connect usb cable
03:07:22	Antibuddha	do i need a modified bootloader?
03:07:28	jhMikeS	probably couldn't check the ATA registers if I read that correct. other than than that, I know nothing
03:09:43	jhMikeS	it could be that it needs the large sector support
03:10:18	Antibuddha	do i download a special build?
03:10:32	Antibuddha	the mk2431gah drive uses more than 512 sector size
03:10:58	jhMikeS	then it needs to be made that way
03:12:17	Antibuddha	how do i do it?
03:12:20	Antibuddha	i am very noob
03:14:07	jhMikeS	define MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE in config.h and make a custom build (i can't promise it'll work though or not result in a bad bootloader, do at your own risk).
03:15:19	Antibuddha	so this isnt already implemented in current rockbox?
03:15:22	Antibuddha	i thought i read it was
03:16:33	Antibuddha	is there a place where i can download custom builds?
03:16:34	jhMikeS	I don't even know if the USB bridge can do it
03:18:39	Antibuddha	i heard people talking about custom build being used for mk2431gah with iriver h140
03:18:51	Antibuddha	but i cant find it on the rockbox site
03:19:02	jhMikeS	we don't support those
03:19:31	jhMikeS	of course, someone could put instructions in the wiki
03:19:33	Antibuddha	i see
03:19:55	Antibuddha	is there somewhere i could read about what the current build supports?
03:20:09	Antibuddha	i want to read if it supports larger than 512 sector size for h120/h140
03:21:23	jhMikeS	as I read the source, it won't work as is unless the drive can present itself as such
03:22:08	Antibuddha	what do you recommend i do?
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03:23:11	jhMikeS	try to find the patches that make it work, maybe not on the rockbox site. possibly ask again later and someone else might be able to tell you more
03:23:30	Antibuddha	ok
03:25:39	Antibuddha	is there a site with test builds?
03:29:26	jhMikeS	googling brings up some hits
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03:30:48	Antibuddha	can you lnk to me please? i cant find them
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03:31:55	jhMikeS	here's a guide for x5 I found on the forums: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24257.0
03:33:13	Antibuddha	so just do #define HAVE_LBA48 ?
03:36:10	Antibuddha	ok i read user nlak say he only had to do #define HAVE_LBA48
03:36:38	jhMikeS	no idea, really, just search 'mk2431gah rockbox iRiver' or something. I do see talk about it on some sites. :)
03:37:06	Antibuddha	do you know how to recompile?
03:37:24	Antibuddha	nlak said all he had to do with add #define HAVE_LBA48
03:37:28	Antibuddha	but i dont know anything about recompiling
03:38:57	jhMikeS	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=21020.0
03:39:53	Antibuddha	yep, he said he just had to add #define HAVE_LBA48
03:39:59	Antibuddha	how do i recompile?
03:41:11	jhMikeS	that on the site
03:42:10	Antibuddha	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=22846.0
03:42:19	Antibuddha	this place says 3.6+ rockbox already fixed the larger drive issue
03:42:25	Antibuddha	but it doesnt work for me
03:42:35	jhMikeS	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling
03:43:29	jhMikeS	you upgraded the bootloader to 3.6?
03:45:56	jhMikeS	not sure that'll help you
03:47:08	jhMikeS	I guess HAVE_LBA48 is defined by default now
03:47:12	Antibuddha	according to what i linked a few people said 3.6 has large support
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03:52:59	jhMikeS	According to the headers, H120 defines HAVE_LBA48 already. Did you upgraded the bootloader?
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03:55:01	Antibuddha	i uninstalled and reinstalled rockbox
03:55:30	Antibuddha	i used rockbox utility v1.2.8
03:58:25	Antibuddha	maybe version 3.7 doesnt have it anymore?
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04:00:21	jhMikeS	no, it's there still in config-H120.h
04:01:13	Antibuddha	could it be because i am using vista?
04:02:17	Antibuddha	i am using swissknife to format to 223gb, but swissknife is not supposed to work on vista
04:02:22	Antibuddha	maybe that is the cause of the prob?
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04:11:10	Antibuddha	i am now using rockbox utility in xp compatibility mode
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04:15:53	Antibuddha	ok i give up
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04:20:31	Antibuddha	i didnt do set partition to active before, now im trying it
04:24:38	Antibuddha	i did set active partition but still no go
04:24:45	Antibuddha	maybe my format program is bad
04:26:23	jhMikeS	Wish I could help more. Like I said, someone on at another time may know more about what to do.
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04:30:54	Antibuddha	huh, i formatted the hard drive to ntfs and rockbox utility is installing lol
04:32:24	krazykit	Antibuddha, yeah that isn't going to work.
04:32:35	Antibuddha	fat32 is the right format right?
04:32:44	krazykit	yes
04:32:58	Antibuddha	can i damage my h120 by running ntfs?
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05:02:01	Antibuddha	my 80gb mk8025gal works fine in my h120, but not my 240gb
05:02:35	Antibuddha	i have reformatted and reinstalled rockbox like 15 times -_-
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05:34:01	CIA-7	New commit by jethead71 (r29029): SA9200: Give LCD about an 8% speedup. Sync optional LCD settings to defaults in lcd_init_device.
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10:17:06	JdGordon\|	wodz: hi
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10:18:31	wodz	JdGordon\|: Is there a simple way to one setting affect two vars from global_settings?
10:19:23	JdGordon\|	we did this already didnt we?
10:19:29	JdGordon\|	no, there isnt
10:19:34	JdGordon\|	well, it depends what you want
10:20:06	wodz	ok so I have to use MENUITEM_FUNCTION() instead of MENUITEM_SETTING() ?
10:20:32	JdGordon\|	yes
10:20:51	wodz	I was afraid of this :/
10:21:42	wodz	and btw. Reading the code we produced after some time I come to conclusion that we overcomplicated the logic. So I want to refine this a bit
10:22:12	JdGordon\|	that doesnt surprise me
10:22:25	[Saint]	JdGordon\|: I've been trying to find a way to parse the menus to remove items with only one possible setting, but, I'm getting way past myself. Do you think this would be possible?
10:22:34	[Saint]	(I don't see the need for such menu items)
10:23:52	JdGordon\|	it would be possible, but VERY complicated
10:24:08	[Saint]	yeah, that's what I've discovered.
10:24:22	[Saint]	In theory.
10:24:33	[Saint]	damn, ignore that last post.
10:26:05	JdGordon\|	I tihnk there is a good chance things will break if you do that also
10:26:10	JdGordon\|	maybe
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10:28:05	[Saint]	It just bugs me the way it works out that some targets get menus you can dig down into, and then only find one possible option.
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10:29:04	JdGordon\|	so rework the menu layout so that doesnt happen
10:29:05	[Saint]	Seems a little, irrelevant. I thought it might be easier than it indeed is...but, no...shit no.
10:29:17	JdGordon\|	doesnt "playlisting" or something have only one option on all targets?
10:29:51	[Saint]	JdGordon\|: Yeah, but I'd need to do that per target (which I have already done in my tree), I think it would be nice if it just did it for all targets automagically somehow.
10:31:49	JdGordon\|	the amount of effort to do that automagically would be about the same as ocming up with a workable reordering that could be acceptable
10:32:00	JdGordon\|	* I know such a thing is almost impossible
10:32:56	[Saint]	Yeah...but I'm thinking that would get difficult because people would forget to re-enable stuff if another option gets added at a later date.
10:33:27	[Saint]	and, I can't re-order it for all targets...there's no one config that would "just work".
10:33:48	[Saint]	it would need to be some form of magic, or duplicating the menu structure for each target :/
10:34:37	[Saint]	And the latter is more out of the question than the former.
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10:36:38	JdGordon\|	[Saint]: you missed what I was trying to say.... come up with a better layout so that just wouldnt happen
10:37:56	[Saint]	I don't think there is just one layout that would work for all targets, as I'm assuming that there are submenus with only one item on some targets that have multiple on others.
10:38:43	[Saint]	that's why there needs to be some form of check, but I've no idea how to do that.
10:39:06	gevaerts	Zagor: could you push a new rbclient.pl version? I think the revision still has to be incremented
10:39:58	gevaerts	When that's done everything should be in place for the coldfire gcc upgrade
10:41:14	Zagor	gevaerts: can it wait until tonight? I'm having a rather busy day.
10:41:17	gevaerts	sure
10:41:49	gevaerts	There's no hurry
10:42:01	Zagor	ok, good
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10:43:42	wodz	JdGordon\|: are you going to refine recscreen to accept skins?
10:43:56	*	[Saint] hopes so.
10:44:51	[Saint]	...and the USB screen? ;)
10:45:56	wodz	JdGordon\|, [Saint]: would you review http://www.pastie.org/1404745 ? If it's ok I'll commit this
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10:46:58	wodz	the result is something like this http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9228/cabbiev2fm.png
10:47:52	JdGordon\|	wodz: unlikely, I'm bassically doing no rockbox coding anymore (various reasons), but also I dont care at all about the rec screen and I know others DO (alot) and will give me grief
10:48:02	[Saint]	using blah_blah viewport lables is a bit out of keeping with SVN, but...otherwise code looks fine.
10:48:08	JdGordon\|	mostly I dont have any motivation thoguh
10:48:09	[Saint]	wodz: ^
10:48:39	JdGordon\|	[Saint]: and thats why you dont have svn access :D viewport labels are GOOD!
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10:48:56	JdGordon\|	one letter labels are an abomination unto the lord!
10:51:03	[Saint]	does the playlistview show presets in the .fms!?!
10:51:04	wodz	Its a shame. I see no other person familiar with highlevel gui code which do active coding this days
10:51:57	wodz	[Saint]: yes it is, this was the (only?) way to display current and next preset
10:52:05	[Saint]	wodz: Apart from the viewport lables, I'd be happy with that being committed
10:52:27	wodz	what's wrong with meaningful labels?
10:52:35	[Saint]	the VP lables are a matter of opinion...but, it would be a lot more in keeping with current SVN to use one letter labels
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10:52:48	JdGordon\|	that was BY DESIGN the only way to get next/prev presets displayed.. adding tags like %I/i is a bad idea
10:52:55	JdGordon\|	incase anyone ever tries to add that
10:52:56	[Saint]	I think the comments above the VP remove the need for a label
10:53:03	*	JdGordon\| will hunt them down with an axe
10:54:00	[Saint]	JdGordon\|: I wasn't saying it was bad...I just don't think it's that well doccumented
10:54:21	[Saint]	I had no idea playlistviewer was relevent to the .fms at all
10:54:28	JdGordon\|	I know :)
10:54:43	[Saint]	you like that it isn't doccumented?
10:54:56	[Saint]	Oh...right, I getcha
10:54:59	wodz	Honestly I hate meaningless names. One letter labels,var names and so forth were good in dark ages when memory was at premium.
10:55:35	[Saint]	wodz: Yeah...I see the point, I just think it should match the other cabbies
10:55:42	Bagder	well, even in the C64 assembly code we could actually use labels =)
10:55:56	[Saint]	so, either the others get blah_blah VP lables, or this gets one letter labels
10:55:58	Bagder	I assume you then mean before the 80s? B)
10:56:01	[Saint]	I'm cool either way.
10:56:52	wodz	[Saint]: no problem - I'll put this on FS then and wait until you switch all cabbies to blah_blah labels :-)
10:57:05	n1s	it shouldn't be a commit blocker that they are inconsistent in lable names, i think
10:57:17	[Saint]	I've no problems with you committing it in this state.
10:57:28	[Saint]	I can fix the others to match at a later stage.
10:57:53	JdGordon\|	BTW, I think you can use spaces in label names
10:57:58	JdGordon\|	and image names also
10:58:03	[Saint]	I was just saying either way, that they should match...I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying it shouldn't go in.
10:58:31	[Saint]	I have a preference for labels myself, but, it's not my code ;)
10:58:43	JdGordon\|	bugger you wodz! I'm svn-up-ing so i can see about makeing the peak meter skinnable...
10:59:12	[Saint]	JdGordon\|: bmp peak meters?
10:59:31	[Saint]	you're supposed to be doing .bmp scrollbars!
10:59:32	[Saint]	:P
10:59:34	JdGordon\|	my plan is a bunch of different tags so it can be done properly
10:59:57	JdGordon\|	well really it just needs 2 values, left and right height
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11:00:03	[Saint]	(jk, btw...you don't have to do jack, you know that)
11:00:14	JdGordon\|	.bmp scrollbars isnt trivial
11:00:23	wodz	JdGordon\|: If you do so PLEASE, PLEASE be so kind and document this work
11:00:40	JdGordon\|	which tags did i forget last time? :D
11:01:03	*	JdGordon\| did try to get xml docs going for the skin stuff and got shouted down
11:01:24	*	JdGordon\| chooses to ignore the technical problems with that idea and blame others for it not happening
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11:08:48	JdGordon\|	[Saint]: what is actually needed to make the peak bars usable for skins?
11:08:58	JdGordon\|	it should just be the peak value for each channel right?
11:09:38	JdGordon\|	I think I only need to add 2 tags which would bar/conditional style (like volume) so themers can go nuts
11:10:07	JdGordon\|	(maybe it might need an optional param for the fall off, although i dont think thats really necessary?)
11:10:19	JdGordon\|	^ anyone else also
11:12:09	JdGordon\|	max/falloff could be done with the slide part actually, maybe
11:12:19	*	JdGordon\| enjoys talking to himself :p
11:14:18	wodz	go ahead, I heard it helps sometimes :-)
11:15:35	JdGordon\|	petur: do you know anything about the peakmeter code? I see recording histogram code in there....
11:19:23	JdGordon\|	amiconn: Idont suppose ou know the pm code? its very old codebase I tihnk
11:20:49	wodz	JdGordon\|: how to get translated string knowing its id?
11:21:05	JdGordon\|	str(ID) iirc
11:21:09	wodz	thx
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11:22:32	petur	JdGordon\|: the peakmeter code now basically draws a black rectangle...
11:22:50	petur	the histogram has a separate drawing routine
11:23:03	petur	I actually am working on cleaning that up a bit
11:23:14	JdGordon\|	I was goign to ask about the values more than the drawing...
11:23:25	petur	I also wanted to make the peakmeters go vertical too ;)
11:23:53	JdGordon\|	pm_cur_right/left.... how do i use that? is it 0->some max val?
11:24:28	petur	I'd have to peek in the code for that, and I'm at work right now (and busy)
11:24:57	petur	just a sec
11:25:06	JdGordon\|	k, looks like peak_meter_scale_value() is exactly wat I need anyway?
11:25:24	petur	yes, for the dB/linear scale thing
11:26:35	*	JdGordon\| grumbles about not doing the change to 3 letter skin tags
11:26:53	JdGordon\|	%pl/pr would have been nice to use but %pr is used already
11:27:02	JdGordon\|	%pL/R instead?
11:28:32	petur	JdGordon\|: peak_meter_draw() does the actual drawing, look for /* draw the peak meter */
11:29:52	petur	If you are going to make the peakmeters skinnable, at least make sure we support vertical orientation as well
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11:30:26	[Saint]	JdGordon\|: Just use no fall-off (I assume by fall-off you mean decay speed?)
11:30:34	[Saint]	If so, just use no decay.
11:31:04	petur	it is called 'release' in there
11:31:42	petur	see /* apply release */
11:32:04	petur	and then there is also the clipping indicator
11:32:31	JdGordon\|	petur: I'm not planni on touching the existing drawing code, just make it available to the skin engine so themers can do what they want
11:32:45	petur	eh?
11:33:01	JdGordon\|	which mostly means allowing themers to make it look like the volume bar
11:33:32	petur	I would assume for skinning you need to replace the fillrectt() with a bitmap blit?
11:33:37	petur	-t
11:34:28	JdGordon\|	no new drawing code needs to be added... it would be used exactly like the volume bar in skins, so I just need to get a min/current/max value working
11:34:52	petur	maybe it also needs an alternative background, so you can have leds that are on and off :)
11:35:25	petur	I'll see what you come up with and swear afterwards then ;)
11:35:59	JdGordon\|	I dont doubt that :)
11:36:29	petur	I'm planning to make the histogram available in playback as well, code almost ready. Just no wps tag yet
11:37:12	JdGordon\|	now that could be interesting
11:38:39	petur	but now, I really have to fix some stuff here at work...
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11:52:41	JdGordon\|	[Saint]: re falloff, I meant the bit on the end that sort of hovers for some time... the time is configureable but i was asking how to make that avilable to themres also
11:54:12	[Saint]	oh, right...I'm not sure that's a big deal is it?
11:54:53	[Saint]	I mean...if you can do it, great...but don't stress it.
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12:09:10	petur	I would think this would be very theme dependent: if you created a peakmeter that looked like a strip of LEDs, you'd want the fall-off to be the size of 1 LED, not the exact position of the peak... Same goes for the actual LED display... hmmm
12:11:42	JdGordon\|	might need 4 extra tags then, each channel needs current, MAX and clipping?
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12:17:27	JdGordon\|	well that was easy :p
12:18:14	JdGordon\|	do we need the clipping and max tags?
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12:29:32	JdGordon\|	bah, I'd really like to commit this now while I have motivation but untill I know what to do for those extra tags it isnt a good idea
12:29:38	JdGordon\|	to the tracker then :/
12:35:05	JdGordon\|	FS #11867
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12:59:36	wodz\|work	n1s, battery_bench with new gcc gives ~12:30. This is rather poor as I used to get ~17h. I'll retest tonight.
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13:00:06	n1s	wodz\|work: hmm, which codec?
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13:00:43	n1s	well, mp3 should be faster so if that result is accurate something else must be screwed up
13:01:36	n1s	i don't know what could cause that though :(
13:02:35	wodz\|work	Lets wait untill new bench ends
13:02:49	n1s	ok
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14:01:20	solexx	(It cannot boot from disk anymore.)
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14:37:42	n1s	solexx: rbutil should not care if it has a mechanical hd or a cf card
14:38:27	[Saint]	the H120 doesn't expect any magic to be on the disk if it's replaced, does it?
14:38:34	n1s	no
14:38:44	[Saint]	I used to have one, but I don't think I ever replaced the disk.
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14:41:38	AlexP	The OF won't boot with CF though I don't think
14:41:49	AlexP	So you can't do the firmware upgrade / bootloader install
14:42:00	n1s	ah, that could be a problem
14:42:01	AlexP	Or rather, it'll boot but won't recognise it
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14:42:08	AlexP	With the same end effect
14:42:21	n1s	nothing to do with rbutil though :)
14:42:25	AlexP	nope :)
14:44:18	[Saint]	so you'd have to set the disk up with the bootloader/etc. before installing it, and patch out dual-boot.
14:44:35	[Saint]	in theory, you could get it to work, but it'd be a PITA.
14:45:08	n1s	you don't need to touch the dualboot, just install the unofficial bootloader using the hd before a cf mod
14:45:23	n1s	which is a problem if the hd is dead
14:45:23	[Saint]	Could you not set everything up on the disk, and then dd a copy of it to the CF?
14:45:37	n1s	sure but that wouldn't help
14:45:46	gevaerts	[Saint]: the bootloader is flashed
14:48:14	[Saint]	it would "just work" if you set everything up on the HDD, then copied an exact image of the HDD to the CF though no? Or am I missing something?
14:48:27	n1s	<gevaerts> [Saint]: the bootloader is flashed
14:48:42	n1s	as in living in a flash chip
14:48:44	Torne	you need the flash toc ontain something that's happy to mount a CF card first :)
14:50:30	n1s	hmm, that reminded me i didn't testbuild bootloaders with the new toolchain and of course i got a warning on the first one i did
14:50:42	n1s	ld: warning: section `.bss' type changed to PROGBITS
14:50:54	n1s	no idea what that means
14:51:51	Torne	it means it ended up with code in it
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14:52:13	solexx	Actually, I just wanted to upgrade an existing installation on my H120 and I was a bit confused. rbutils works, I just have to iriver_flash the ROM/RAM images.
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14:53:38	Torne	well, i say code, i mean "some kind of contents"
14:53:48	Torne	rather than being empty of actual data as is traditional for bss
14:53:59	n1s	hmm
14:54:26	Torne	so you've managed to get an actual stored value into .bss somehow
14:54:31	solexx	Actually^2, I am trying to fix serious playback issues with current SVN by using 3.7.1 instead. Doesn't help.
14:55:05	n1s	Torne: i didn't touch the code so either it was already the case or the new toolchain messed up
14:55:17	Torne	toolchain has probably done something wrong
14:55:18	Torne	what arch?
14:55:23	n1s	coldfire
14:55:33	n1s	i tested the h300bootloader
14:55:38	n1s	test built
14:55:39	Torne	coldfire is mips, right?
14:55:49	n1s	m68k
14:55:54	Torne	oh right
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14:56:03	Torne	http://cygwin.ru/ml/binutils/2010-04/msg00400.html <- something like that maybe
14:56:43	ruckus	Zagor: thanks for the info, i didn't noticed you replied
14:56:49	pixelma	solexx: what kind of playback issues?
14:56:52	PurlingNayuki	Hi everyone.
14:57:20	n1s	it happens for x5 bootloader too so i assuem it's a coldfire wide thing
14:57:33	pixelma	n1s: isn't the H300 bootloader broken anyway? (too large or something)?
14:57:41	Torne	i would suspect htat one of our nonstandard sections isn't flagged right in the ld script or something
14:57:51	Torne	text/data/bss/etc all have default flags, but things like ibss don't because we made them up
14:58:00	gevaerts	pixelma: yes, but that's no reason to make it worse :)
14:58:02	n1s	pixelma: yes, it didn't work last time someone tried with was something like 15k revs ago
14:58:38	solexx	pixelma: 3.7.1 doesn't play some files at all (m4a, stuck at 0:00). Current SVN got stuck at the end of each track (only tried w/ Ogg Vorbis files)
14:59:06	pixelma	just making sure n1s doesn't just try one, once he got it working
14:59:22	n1s	pixelma: no risk, but thanks :)
14:59:47	n1s	it would be cool if someone could try on a recoverable target though
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15:00:23	solexx	pixelma: sorry, cannot be more specific currently. Have to get back to work.
15:01:03	solexx	If the issues persist, I will come back here.
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15:22:10	[Saint]	Anyone want to do a quick check to see if test_codes is successfully writing test_codec<XX>.log?
15:22:12	[Saint]	Please.
15:22:40	[Saint]	It is creating the file for me, but the file is completely blank.
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15:26:40	PurlingNayuki	Hi everyone.
15:27:01	PurlingNayuki	I want to know if there is a file named sprintf.h in Rockbox.
15:27:16	[Saint]	use grep
15:27:43	PurlingNayuki	Tried.
15:29:36	PurlingNayuki	Just got one libc/sprintf.c
15:30:14	[Saint]	well, that answers your question doesn't it?
15:31:30	Bagder	are you asking where the prototype for snprintf() is?
15:31:38	PurlingNayuki	But when I tried to compile FS #10639 I got errors of this file.
15:32:02	Bagder	outdated patch then probably
15:32:31	PurlingNayuki	I think so.
15:33:08	PurlingNayuki	Then which file I should include to use snprintf() ?
15:33:31	[Saint]	that patch is from 2009
15:33:40	PurlingNayuki	Yes.
15:33:41	[Saint]	it likely needs to be completely re-written
15:33:53	PurlingNayuki	Maybe.
15:34:02	PurlingNayuki	But I'd like to try it anyway.
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15:34:48	[Saint]	touchscreen got a lot of work due to the Android port, and it wil have changed a fair amount since 2009 even without the Android port I imagine.
15:34:51	Bagder	stdio.h has the prototype now
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15:36:03	[Saint]	change #include "sprintf.h" to #include "stdio.h", and it will either work, or you'll get another error.
15:36:10	[Saint]	(IIUC)
15:36:19	PurlingNayuki	Thanks.
15:36:28	PurlingNayuki	I don't use the lateset code.
15:36:34	PurlingNayuki	I use r-27522.
15:36:52	[Saint]	any particular reason you use such an outdated tree?
15:36:53	PurlingNayuki	And use git to control version.
15:37:15	PurlingNayuki	I only use Onda VX747
15:38:09	PurlingNayuki	My friends and I just want to run a stable version Rockbox on it.
15:41:11	n1s	[Saint]: make sure you quit the test_codec plugin before plugging usb in or it will fail to write it
15:44:05	[Saint]	n1s: Oh....derp, is that what you need to do to get it to write.
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15:44:22	[Saint]	why does it need USB to be plugged?
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15:45:04	n1s	it doesn't but if you plug usb while the plugin is running it will fail to write the log, i've done that myself some times
15:45:17	n1s	as i usually plug usb to read the log
15:45:39	[Saint]	Oh, well in that case something is busted. :/
15:46:03	[Saint]	The file is created, but it's 0bytes
15:46:23	n1s	yes, that what happens whan you do what i said
15:46:47	[Saint]	but, I tried viewing it on the device, I haven't plugged USB since running it.
15:46:49	Torne	are you plugging usb too soon after quitting and hitting the unmount bug we were discussing yesterday? :)
15:46:58	[Saint]	I haven't plugged USB at all.
15:47:18	[Saint]	Trying to read it on device.
15:48:15	n1s	ah
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16:01:24	n1s	ah, yes, marking the .bss section NOLOAD fixes the warning
16:02:32	n1s	IIRC the m5 and x5 (and probably m3) can recover from a bad bootloader easily, if that is true could someone with one of those give this a quick test?
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16:08:51	PurlingNayuki	Is there anything tell how rockbox's source code are copied from every dirtory and compiled?
16:10:06	Torne	probably "reading the makefiles"
16:10:11	Torne	start at tools/root.make ;)
16:10:16	notlistening	Hi slightly off topic, I am using an arm9 chips with an Epson S1D13700 LCD controller. I want to get this working under linux and I am really stuck even where to begin
16:10:45	Torne	that is indeed off topic.. ask in -community or someplace else :)
16:10:53	PurlingNayuki	Thanks.
16:10:54	notlistening	ok
16:11:05	PurlingNayuki	Trying reading it now.
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16:20:25	PurlingNayuki	I got an error when compile: no rule to make eq_menu.h .
16:20:41	PurlingNayuki	But I've already added it into SOURCE
16:20:55	n1s	.h files don't go into the SOURCE files
16:21:12	PurlingNayuki	Thanks.
16:21:14	n1s	they are included in .c files (most of the time)
16:21:19	PurlingNayuki	I'll try again.
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16:32:07	n1s	i don't think marking the .bss section as NOLOAD can break anything but i'm not certain as i'm no linker guru
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16:39:47	n1s	here are links for m5 and x5 testbootloaders in case anyone wnats to test them http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17484767/m5_fw.bin http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17484767/x5_fw.bin
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16:47:47	PurlingNayuki	We can't use dropbox in China.....
16:49:52	enthdegree	you can't!?
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16:55:35	PurlingNayuki	No we can't.
16:55:57	PurlingNayuki	It's forbidden by the GFW.
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17:00:50	PurlingNayuki	GFW = the Great FireWall
17:01:30	gevaerts	PurlingNayuki: do uou need one of those files?
17:01:35	gevaerts	*you
17:02:09	PurlingNayuki	No thanks. I can compile mine.
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18:38:37	kugel	is anyone _strongly_ opposed to anti-aliased fonts?
18:40:25	pixelma	I don't see the point, but it's also a question about how much it costs (drawing speed etc.) for someone who doesn't use them
18:41:42	gevaerts	I don't really have a strong preference for or against using AA fonts, but yes, what's the impact?
18:42:28	gevaerts	This is colour-only?
18:43:22	kugel	yes
18:43:44	gevaerts	ok, so apart from the c200v2 no lowmem
18:43:46	pixelma	and has it been tested on slow update + slow CPU Ipod Video?
18:44:15	pixelma	well big screen + slow CPU
18:44:17	Torne	the AA fonts implementation as it stands, can you still use old fonts?
18:44:24	Torne	or do you need to use a new font format?
18:45:42	kugel	no change for non-color, old fonts still work
18:46:40	Torne	i mean on devices where it's available to use
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18:46:51	kugel	old fonts still work
18:47:08	Torne	also why is it colour only?
18:47:44	Torne	i realise we wouldn't want it on greylib devices, but devices with native greyscale could do it surely
18:47:55	kugel	not implemented
18:48:09	Torne	ah, no particular reason then :)
18:48:19	Torne	(...does it do subpixel? :) )
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18:48:24	kugel	it uses 4bit blending, and our greyscales only have 2bit (IIUC)
18:48:30	kugel	no
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18:48:43	gevaerts	Possibly not implemented due to people not wanting to work on things with uncertain future as well
18:48:45	Torne	if we were going tod o it i'd go for subpixel rendering, tbh..
18:48:51	pixelma	Torne: the two grey shades more won't be helpful probably
18:48:55	gevaerts	Torne: you can't really
18:48:59	Torne	why not?
18:49:17	Torne	well, subpixel AA, technically, not rendering in general
18:49:24	Torne	you'd still place glyphs at integral pixels
18:49:33	gevaerts	IIRC some DAPs can have different LCDs with different subpixel format (orientation or ordering) without a way to know which it is
18:49:54	Torne	that doesn't matter, surely
18:50:02	Torne	just do them as seperate fonts
18:50:08	kugel	I think Unhelpful played with subpixels but gave up (don't know why though)
18:50:15	Torne	i was assuming the subpixel calculation would be done by the font conversion tool..
18:50:26	Torne	so you have 14-Nimbus-HBGR.fnt or whatever
18:50:52	gevaerts	kugel: is rendering old-style fonts and new-style fonts done by the same code?
18:50:53	Torne	i guess that wouldn't work particularly nicely if you flip the display :)
18:51:43	kugel	gevaerts: the "low-level" part is seperate, but there's no change in the api or os
18:51:45	kugel	so*
18:52:04	Torne	so both are compiled in on the colour devices, then?
18:52:12	gevaerts	ok, so there should be no measurable difference in speed for people who don't want AA
18:52:12	Torne	purely from a binsize pov
18:52:29	kugel	right
18:54:09	gevaerts	So yes, the only impact for people who don't want it is binsize. Personally I'd say that "colour only" with its implication of "8MB and more" takes care of that objection (although there's the c200v2 as an exception)
18:54:50	kugel	I haven't measured the binsize impact but not a lot of code is added AFAICS
18:55:11	Torne	soudns pretty reasonable, then
18:55:44	Torne	and if it's API compatible and just selected by what type of font is loaded, then that's nice
18:55:53	Torne	so it'd be down to implemenation quality
18:56:55	pixelma	gevaerts: if they didn't chose a different type of screen for the v2 than for the c200v1 then AA fonts or not won't make a difference at all...
18:57:18	pixelma	in appearance I mean
18:57:22	gevaerts	That's true of course
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18:58:05	kugel	it's just a pity that convttf can't be used for normal fonts, it has some nice features for fnt generation
18:58:07	gevaerts	Disabling AA on the c200v2 wouldn't be a big deal I think, but "We support AA fonts on all colour targets" is nice and easy
18:58:39	kugel	why should it be disabled on the c200v2?
18:58:46	pixelma	probably nicer WRT ifdeffing at least
18:58:55	pixelma	2MB RAM IIRC
18:58:58	kugel	it doesn't have much ram, but still way enough for a bit of code for new features
18:59:15	Torne	well, tell us what the binsize change is before we decide that :)
18:59:21	kugel	we've never considered the c200v2 so far
18:59:27	gevaerts	kugel: if it can stay, great, but doesn't it already have RAM issues if people enable voice and things like that?
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19:00:04	kugel	those issues won't be solved by disabling AAF
19:00:28	kugel	and not by disabling a handful existing features either (nobody is going to do that anyway)
19:00:32	gevaerts	It's not a stable port anyway, so I think it's not a concern either way
19:00:47	kugel	i agree
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19:00:49	pixelma	kugel: ever looked at a c200 display? You most likely won't see a difference if it's an AA font or not
19:00:57	kugel	yes
19:01:18	kugel	it's a crap display but IMO that has nothing to do with AAF
19:03:02	kugel	in contrast, it should improve things more on it as rather low dpi
19:05:29	gevaerts	h100: 44 bytes extra bin and 84 extra RAM. ipod video: 1208 extra bin and 96 extra RAM (how is that possible? Why didn't RAM go up with bin?)
19:05:48	pixelma	h100 is greyscale?
19:05:51	gevaerts	yes
19:06:06	gevaerts	I wanted to verify that the impact on non-colour was negligible
19:08:04	gevaerts	kugel: does the AA patch allocate buffers on boot instead of statically now?
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19:09:01	kugel	i can't see any buffers allocated
19:10:05	gevaerts	hm, maybe an alignment thing then
19:10:19	gevaerts	Anyway, I think 1208 bytes extra is very reasonable
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19:13:23	gevaerts	2K on c200
19:13:42	kugel	strange
19:14:29	gevaerts	hm, 2K "binary size", 1232 bytes "actual size", so probably mi4 format things or something like that
19:15:02	gevaerts	But still only 96 bytes RAM difference, and that should include binsize. This confuses me
19:16:02	gevaerts	Maybe someone should do a draw speed test to make entirely sure there's no real impact there either for old-style fonts?
19:16:35	kugel	does it make a difference?
19:16:49	kugel	there's a single if (), you can't make it less expensive
19:17:42	gevaerts	True, it's very unlikely to be measurable, but still, if people complain after the commit being able to point at actual numbers is nice
19:18:39	kugel	you could run test_gfx.rock
19:19:00	kugel	but that would be lying because its test doesn't include the lcd_update() which will always be the bottleneck
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20:38:50	kugel	thomasjfox: hey, how's your port going? I saw nothing new on your repo
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20:39:11	thomasjfox	kugel: Things are slowing down a bit
20:39:29	thomasjfox	I want to prepare a "clean" patch to get the initial maemo support upstream next
20:39:39	thomasjfox	Actually that's planned for tomorrow :)
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20:40:06	kugel	good plan
20:40:08	thomasjfox	kugel: Would you have time for a review?
20:40:43	thomasjfox	The patch won't be that large I guess
20:41:08	kugel	not sure, but hopefully
20:41:32	kugel	I'm a bit busy with uni stuff these days, exams are coming up
20:42:17	thomasjfox	So rockbox is a good distraction ;)
20:47:11	thomasjfox	kugel: Any plans regarding the ucontext branch?
20:48:00	kugel	it's on fs, without an answer. I guess I can commit
20:49:27	thomasjfox	I could test it again
20:49:37	*	kugel can't believe it's already a month since he put it there
20:50:05	thomasjfox	I'm not sure if the sigaltstack stuff is/was crashing on the first database init (stack overflow)
20:51:45	thomasjfox	At least that's what the arm threads implementation did the last time as the database init is a stack hog
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21:03:44	kugel	thomasjfox: yes, it would be nice if you could test again
21:04:27	thomasjfox	So I guess it's best if I take the one on FS. Do you have the # on mind?
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21:06:30	kugel	thomasjfox: nah, that one is outdated
21:06:50	thomasjfox	Ok, so I just merge your branch from git then
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21:33:47	tmzt	not sure how relevent or similar telechips socs are but if anyone cares http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132032.html
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21:55:47	*	wodz just fixed nano2g :-)
21:56:17	wodz	what is preferred boot method on nano2g? iloader or rockbox bootloader?
21:56:33	gevaerts	wodz: do I remember right that you have bdm equipment and know how to use it?
21:56:35	AlexP	rockbox bootloader if you want support here :)
21:56:56	wodz	gevaerts: I have bdm pod right
21:57:42	gevaerts	wodz: maybe it makes sense if you also have a h1x0 and h3x0? That way we'd have someone who can test bootloaders again
21:57:57	TheSeven	wodz: depends on your goals
21:58:12	wodz	TheSeven: could you elaborate?
21:58:14	*	gevaerts has two h120s. He can easily miss one of them, and if needed he can miss his h320 too
21:59:28	wodz	My wife would probably grumble a lot if another DAP will appear in my home
21:59:41	TheSeven	wodz: iloader pros: fast boot, can recover ftl if needed, iloader cons: a bit more complex, can't be removed by itunes restore, no support here
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22:00:11	wodz	TheSeven: I run linux so no itunes at all
22:00:54	gevaerts	wodz: right :) Maybe I should just get the needed equipment myself
22:01:19	wodz	gevaerts: I can send you my pod. I don't need it now.
22:01:20	TheSeven	also iloader provides an easier way to play with the hardware outside of rockbox
22:01:47	gevaerts	wodz: what's actually needed to use it? Does it need things like fine soldering?
22:03:01	wodz	gevaerts: that depends mostly on target. The pod itself has regular goldpin header.
22:04:34	gevaerts	wodz: I could also just buy my own, so you can still use yours for the HD[23]00 if needed. I'd need guidance then to pick the correct one
22:05:50	wodz	gevaerts: I build this one http://forums.freescale.com/t5/68K-ColdFire-reg-Microprocessors/TBLCF-open-source-debugging-cable/td-p/7543
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22:07:37	wodz	gevaerts: on wiki there is ultra simple bdm pod base on AVR MCU specialized in reflashing bootloader on H100/H300
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22:08:24	gevaerts	wodz: considering my skill with electronics, maybe I should look for a pre-built one :)
22:08:25	wodz	gevaerts: the one I have is full blown (although quite slow) which means possibility to on target debugging
22:08:52	whippiii	hi there, I have the next question: is it possible to install RockBox on iPod Classic even if I try the manual via?
22:09:00	whippiii	way*
22:09:12	whippiii	sorry by my English, I speak Spanish ;)
22:09:18	gevaerts	wodz: on target debugging sounds reasonably useful if my task would be to make bootloaders work again
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22:10:22	whippiii	please, some help :S
22:11:00	wodz	gevaerts: I don't see need for BDM work in the (near) feature on HD200/HD300 so I can send you my pod If you are willing to work on bootloaders
22:12:56	gevaerts	whippiii: rockbox on the ipod classic is still in an early stage. I'm not sure if it's really good enough yet for normal use
22:13:22	gevaerts	wodz: maybe I should buy yours so you can build a new one when you need it :)
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22:14:30	wodz	gevaerts: I have most of the components, only PCB missing to build new TBLCF.
22:14:33	whippiii	gevaerts: but if I take the risks installing it, where can I find the files for its installation?
22:15:06	gevaerts	whippiii: on the rockbox wiki somewhere I think
22:15:16	whippiii	:S
22:15:18	whippiii	ok
22:15:19	whippiii	thanks
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22:17:02	wodz	TheSeven: Is it possible to install iloader when battery doesn't hold charge well?
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22:18:39	gevaerts	wodz: I'll ask LinusN how tricky connecting it to the irivers is, and if it's not too difficult, I'd be happy to take care of your bdm pod for a while :)
22:19:17	TheSeven	whippiii: most things work somehow, but there are still rough edges and the battery life is terrible (like 5 hours or something)
22:19:48	TheSeven	also there is no dualboot support yet, so you can't have the apple firmware and rockbox installed at the same time and decide which one to use on boot
22:20:31	wodz	gevaerts: Sure. IIRC you have to have some soldering skills in case of irivers.
22:20:34	TheSeven	whippiii: in case you still want to play around with it: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation
22:20:45	whippiii	TheSeven: the point is that right now the apple firmware has crashed. I think that "something" is better than nothing, don't you think so?
22:21:05	TheSeven	whippiii: do you know why or how it crashed?
22:21:12	gevaerts	wodz: I expect so, yes. I'm pretty sure it will be beyond me, but finding someone else to do it should be just as good
22:21:21	whippiii	no :S
22:21:26	TheSeven	is it e.g. stuck in a reboot loop, showing a red cross, showing "use itunes to restore", or what does it do?
22:21:31	whippiii	I don't know why or how :S
22:21:48	whippiii	oh, wait
22:22:22	evilnick_B	whippiii: It might be easier to restore it using itunes, as the classic port is very recent
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22:23:07	whippiii	I'll try it first, if it doesn't work... gonna try to put RockBox inside :)
22:23:21	whippiii	thanks a lot
22:24:42	TheSeven	whippiii: depending on how exactly it behaves i might have some useful hints for you
22:25:47	whippiii	okay, I have to move to a PC with Windows xD I only have GNU\Linux on my box hehe
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22:29:40	CIA-7	New commit by alle (r29031): pitch_detector: bring the name of the settings file in line with the plugin name
22:32:19	CIA-7	r29031 build result: All green
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22:53:49	TheSeven	does copying files inside rockbox use some insanely small buffer?
22:54:02	TheSeven	the disk seems to be seeking most of the time
22:56:59	pamaury	no idea, I don't remember where is the copying code, probably in the apps/ part if the copy is done between volumes
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