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#rockbox log for 2011-01-12

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00:48:34CIA-7New commit by jethead71 (r29032): SA9200: Adjust touchpad sensitivities so that actual contact with the player is needed to cause button presses and hopefully those settings will work ...
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00:50:58CIA-7r29032 build result: All green
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01:21:50JdGordon1no comments on the peak meters? lame
01:26:10jhMikeSwhich peak meters?
01:26:33JdGordon1i put up a patch last night to make them more usable in skins
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02:26:45Garethscorche: ping
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02:28:01scorcheGareth: oh hai...sorry i havent gotten back to you - in the precess of moving actually
02:28:33scorchei dont think i will be able to do it this year...unless another rockboxer wants to join me
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02:28:47Garethno one else around?
02:28:54GarethYou had quite a few folks that one year.
02:29:15scorchethese sorts of things work best with at least 2 people, but there isnt anyone else i know of in the area, and after asking a few others who have been around, they cant make the trip this year
02:29:31scorcheyeah - i nabbed some people from UT, OH, and someone who used to live in CA
02:30:04GarethOkay. no worries. If you don't think it'll happen this year, understood completely.
02:30:20scorchei mean, i could get a few other folk to help man the booth (GF, other friends, etc), but i am the only one who really could say much about rockbox besides "it is awesome!"
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03:42:32wah_wah_69Hi everyone!
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03:49:51UnhelpfulTorne: i abandoned subpixel AA because i spent way too much time fiddling with implementation details and lost interest, and because i couldn't figure out how best to deal w/ 1) apps that want rotated rendering 2) rendering on either vertical or horizontal subpixel layout.
03:52:58Unhelpfulthe "best" solution i could come up w/ was for fonts to store both renderings in-file and add the desired subpixel layout as another bit in the glyph cache index
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05:07:51sinthetekthis sucks. ever since using ppa-purge i cannot access my desktop. the only thing i haven't don'e to regain access is re-install everything on the system (i attempted to but after several hours cancelled the reinstallations)
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08:36:05CIA-7New commit by Buschel (r29033): Fix FS #11820. Implement LCD shutdown for iPod Photo/Color and iPod nano 1G. The code was taken from FS #10034 and slightly changed to avoid white ...
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08:38:46CIA-7r29033 build result: All green
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09:33:04sideralgevaerts, Saint: With the unmount-sync patch, my filesystem is still good after 1.5 days of intense use
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10:07:37TheSevenwodz: gnip
10:10:07wodzTheSeven: I cannot access nano2g 'disk' either in diskmode or rb. But rockbox boot fine
10:11:07wodzI have tons of usb reset messages in dmesg
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10:22:24TheSevenwodz: so you can see files in the rockbox file browser?
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10:27:13wodzTheSeven: yes
10:28:18TheSevenwodz: Interesting... I'm currently hunting down a similar problem on the iPod Classic
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10:28:50TheSevenseems like the combination of our USB driver, linux and USB2.0 doesn't work well
10:28:59TheSevenhowever disk mode not working doesn't fit into that pattern
10:29:36TheSeventhe thing is that my linux box only has USB1.1, so I haven't ever seen that problem locally
10:33:11JdGordon|anyone want to volanteer to add %pL/R (peak meter values) to the manual?
10:33:13JdGordon|AlexP: ? :D
10:33:42AlexPyep, can do - could you stick it on flyspray with a short description and I'll do it this evening
10:33:57wodzand CustomWPS wiki please
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10:41:20wodzBTW. themeeditor seems to be unmantained
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10:44:48JdGordon|indeed it is
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10:47:43wodzthat makes it mostly useless
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10:51:35JdGordon|a bit
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10:53:52AlexPI thought it was meant to be tied into the main code? Or was that just rendering and not tags or something?
10:54:30wodzJdGordon|: I applied FS #11867 patch and changed %pb(0,0,158,8,pb-160x128x2.bmp) with %pL(0,0,158,8,pb-160x128x2.bmp). It doesn't work
10:54:38wodzin cabbiev2 that is
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10:56:55pixelmawodz: in the FM screen there is no peakmeter available on swcodec targets I think (or won't show much)
10:57:41pixelmaoh sorry, nixed up your two patches
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11:07:09wodzn1s: ping
11:07:26n1swodz: pong
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11:09:10wodzn1s: I inspected battery_bench from yesterday and it starts from 80% battery. This is in line with archived runtime. Currently I run another bench.
11:10:13JdGordon|wodz: you sure it applied? thats all i changed to test also
11:10:28wodzJdGordon|: yes I am sure
11:10:28JdGordon|have you got it set to linear or log scale?
11:10:34n1swodz: ah, ok, hopefully nothing has been screwed up then :)
11:11:32wodzJdGordon|: ?
11:11:51JdGordon|%pb works though?
11:13:49*wodz just checking
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11:17:12wodzJdGordon|: %pb works %pL does not
11:17:16pixelmawodz: testing on a greyscale screen target?
11:17:35wodzhd300 sim to be strict
11:18:44pixelmadoes a "simple" peakmeter work (maybe in the failsafe WPS)?
11:19:05JdGordon|wodz: silly question.... peakmeter is implemented on it?
11:19:48wodzfailsafe WPS works as expected
11:20:10n1scould someone dp a test of either m5 or x5 bootloaders compiled with the new toolchain and with a small patch that fixes a warning,
11:20:50*JdGordon| will "quickly" compile a hd300 sim then
11:20:54wodzJdGordon|: hmm do I miss something fundamental?
11:20:54JdGordon|back in 4 hours
11:21:55JdGordon|although if the failsafe one works then it should work
11:22:03JdGordon|I really didnt add much code to do it
11:24:51wodz%pm in the place of %pb or %pL works also in cabbie
11:31:37wodzpixelma: Maybe you will know - what and where should I add to automatically install cabbiev2.fms + fmbackdrop graphic on suitable devices?
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11:35:23pixelmaI guess you need to adjust and then WPSLIST (both in the wps folder). I further guess that you also need to add something else to have it automatically selected as default if the fms is there, can't tell you where though. Maybe you could find something by searching through the cabbiev2 files' SVN history
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11:58:29JdGordon|wodz: wierd...
11:58:39JdGordon|hd300 isnt hwcodec is it?
11:59:17wodzit is SWCODEC
11:59:49JdGordon|have you tried on the actual target?
12:00:05wodzit is running battery_bench now
12:00:06JdGordon|no ignore that.. %pm works and %pL doesnt?
12:00:11JdGordon|that makes no bloody sense
12:03:07JdGordon|WTF? its now working
12:04:29JdGordon|I'm randomly changing text lines and it is working
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12:07:26wodzI love such bugs
12:08:02JdGordon|I dont!
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12:52:18wodzthere is no support for .fms in at all :/
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12:57:09PurlingNayukiIs there a Cabbie V2 style fms?
12:59:05wodzI just done one for 160x128x2
12:59:28wodzand I try to figure out how to add it properly
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13:01:47PurlingNayukiI don't know about it at all.
13:02:07PurlingNayukiI only know how to add C files properly.
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13:25:37JdGordon|AlexP: FS #11867... %rL is used exactly like %pv/bl.. i.e value, bar or condtioional...
13:25:50JdGordon|%pL is left meter, %pR is right meter
13:26:25[Saint]nice, it's in now?
13:26:42wodzJdGordon|: have you tracked down the problem with pL/pR ?
13:26:42[Saint]iLike+ is about to get some more alternate sexy things.
13:26:57JdGordon|it was going to be, but wodz' problem is stopping me from commiting
13:27:08Stummihm, i am trying to get in the application build atm. So as first try i selected the application-build in the configure-dialoge, then Android, the default values for width and height and simulator build. Make gives me a lot of warnings and exits with an error then
13:27:15[Saint]sorry, slept all day. missed it.
13:27:27pixelmaStummi: which OS?
13:27:42[Saint]Stummi: Android app, or SDL?
13:27:53StummiAndroid, as i said ;)
13:28:04[Saint]did you run the toolchain scripts?
13:28:24wodzJdGordon|: and btw you seems to touch from time to time - could you look at .fms support there? This perl thing is far beyond my skills
13:28:32Torneyou dno't want a simulator build, also..
13:28:34Stummi[Saint], no, how do i this?
13:28:43Torneread android/README
13:28:51Torneit explains how to set up your environment and build
13:29:11[Saint]you need to run installApk and installToolchain
13:29:26[Saint]or, README is a good bet too ;)
13:29:31[Saint]thanks Torne
13:30:04n1sZagor: did you push the rbclient update?
13:30:04[Saint]all those things are in rockbox/android
13:30:50Zagorn1s: ah no, I meant to do it last night but forgot
13:31:24ZagorI'll try to remember tonight
13:32:04JdGordon|installToolchain is wrong
13:32:16JdGordon|it doesnt install the required sdk/ndk
13:32:24JdGordon|wodz: :'( dont make me do that!
13:32:41[Saint]I thought it was changed to install the correct one?
13:33:08wodzJdGordon|: who should I bugg than?
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13:33:18JdGordon|dunno :D
13:34:12Stummiexport $ANDROID_SDK_PATH=/home/mst/android-sdk-linux_x86
13:34:12Stummiexport $ANDROID_NDK_PATH=/home/mst/android-ndk-r5
13:34:16Stummithis is wrong :)
13:34:26Stummithe $ shouldn't be there
13:36:17[Saint]ok...I'm having a total search-fail here...anyone got a link to the pre-built .apk's that apparently reside on the wiki?
13:36:43Torneat the bottom
13:36:56CIA-7New commit by stummi (r29034): corrected the export-commands on the output. It should be "export ANDROID..." and not "export $ANDROID..."
13:37:05[Saint]I tried pretty much every possible combo of RaaA
13:37:18[Saint]Thanks Torne
13:37:38gevaertsStummi: you could also just do ANDROID_SDK_PATH=ANDROID_SDK_PATH first :)
13:38:07Stummialready r29034? Wow :) I am wondering how long it will take to revision 30000
13:38:08PurlingNayukiWaiting for build result.....
13:38:28Torne966 revisions. :)
13:39:10Stummiat the moment we have above 8-10 commits per day
13:39:22JdGordon|not that high
13:39:35CIA-7r29034 build result: All green
13:39:59JdGordon|1000 revs ago was sep 8
13:40:33Stummi4 months.
13:40:48Stummiso 30000 will be reached somewhen around may
13:42:00JdGordon|depends how active I get again :p
13:42:07*JdGordon| is very good at commit mulitplication
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14:18:40PurlingNayukiHi every.
14:18:55PurlingNayukiWhat's the usage of make veryclean ?
14:23:49Stummimake help :)
14:23:54wodzto clean tools also
14:25:28Bagdermake -n [whatever] is also helpful
14:25:36Bagderas it just shows what it would do without doing it...
14:25:37PurlingNayukiThanks. Another question, there is SYSFONT in rockbox, and how can I use user font? Can I use USERFONT to instead it?
14:25:50StummiI just made a working SDL-Build. Can i tell it anyway not to use my systems root as root-directory but something else?
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14:26:41Stummioh, found it :)
14:26:44Stummithanks anyway
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14:28:55Stummihm, no, the −−root-parameter doesn't seems to work
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14:45:55whippiiiTheSeven: are you there? I'm trying right now to install RockBox, would you help me with some problems related with WinUSB?
14:47:17Stummihm, doesn't the application build plugins (games, viewers, etc)?
14:49:10TheSevenwhippiii: what's going on?
14:49:55whippiiiTheSeven: guide me with in the process, I'm not good at Windows xD
14:50:16whippiiiTheSeven: look, when you say: "If a "new hardware found" wizard pops up, point it to the winusb.inf file. "
14:50:22whippiiiwhat should I do?
14:50:27TheSevenwhich windows version?
14:50:40whippiiiXP SP 3
14:50:53TheSevenis the ipod in DFU mode?
14:51:03TheSevendo you have itunes installed?
14:51:07TheSevendid windows ask for a driver?
14:51:27whippiiiiTunes is uninstalled
14:51:40whippiiiwait lemme try again, then I'll tell you
14:54:16whippiiihave to reboot this PC, be right back
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15:04:17whippiiiTheSeven: I connect the iPod to the USB port and put in on DFU mode, but Windows seems to be ignoring that
15:04:29whippiiidoesnt notice any new device
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15:04:59TheSevenso the display of the ipod stays dark?
15:05:12TheSevendo you see anything ipod-related in the device manager?
15:06:08whippiiithen after a half minute, it gets back to the normal mode
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15:14:58whippiiithis Internet connection is gonna kill me :S
15:15:14whippiiiTheSeven: how much could you read from me?
15:15:22TheSeven[15:06] <whippiii> then after a half minute, it gets back to the normal mode
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15:15:47whippiiithat was the last line I could read
15:16:16whippiiiWindows doesnt notice the DFU mode is extremly hard to extend
15:16:50TheSeventhere's no "apple ipod dfu device" or something?
15:20:38TheSeventhat's weird
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15:20:45TheSevendo you get a sound if you plug/unplug it?
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15:21:09whippiii_TheSeven: disconnected again :(
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15:23:39Nikolaszi want to use my ipod nano winth rockbox, is there anything i can do to help out?
15:24:04TheSevenwhich generation?
15:24:09Nikolaszgot ipod nano 4g
15:24:28whippiii_TheSeven: when iPod gets into DFU mode, I can hear an "unplugged sound" and Explorer shows for a second an unknown device without name, but it disapears quickly
15:24:29TheSevenNikolasz: do you have programming skills?
15:24:45Nikolaszno, i got flashing skills...
15:24:53Nikolaszlike beta tester,lol
15:25:02TheSeventhat won't help much currently
15:25:10LambdaCalculus37Nikolasz: Rockbox doesn't work on the 4th gen nano.
15:25:30Nikolaszyea, i read somthing abaut that issue 4g nano need special programers
15:27:08whippiii_should I give up? :S
15:27:42Nikolaszi got question if i flash not flash for g4 is there a way to flash to apple ipod os?
15:28:05TheSevenNikolasz: we haven't even figured out how to access the flash yet
15:28:29whippiii_TheSeven: got it, Windows now can see the DFU mode :)
15:28:45Nikolaszs there tool for spy data transfet beatwin usb and 4g?
15:28:47TheSevenwhippiii_: did it find an itunes driver somewhere or ask you for one?
15:29:11TheSevenNikolasz: wireshark on linux can do that, but that won't help much currently
15:29:59TheSeventhe next step is figuring out how to access the flash, and how to initialize all the hardware when booting through DFU
15:30:04Nikolaszhmm, how come is so complicated, as manufacture same data as itunes sends to ipod...
15:30:41TheSevenNikolasz: the biggest problem is that there is no documentation at all
15:31:00TheSevenwe need to figure out how all the hardware works, and that's a damn lot of hardware...
15:31:06Nikolaszno documents of arm processor, if it is arm inside
15:31:20TheSeventhe ARM core itself is documented, but that's about it
15:31:40TheSevenall the peripherals, be it the memory controller, display controller, power manager or whatever aren't
15:31:59Nikolaszwhat abaut memory map and ip map?
15:32:05Nikolaszio map
15:32:36TheSevenall IO on ARM is memory-mapped
15:32:46whippiii_TheSeven: now it sounds "plugged" on DFU mode but doesnt pop up anything at all, I cant see any notification. Windows doesnt ask to me for new driver of something related with iTunes
15:33:41TheSevenwe roughly know where the RAM etc. is and where all the IO stuff is, and there should be a lot of similarities to the iPod Touch 2G, for which there is a map of the base addresses of most peripherals, but we have no docs on most of the registers inside those ranges
15:34:05TheSevenwhippiii_: anything apple-related visible in the device manager?
15:34:32whippiii_TheSeven: "Apple Movile USB Driver"
15:34:51TheSeventhe screen of the ipod is dark?
15:34:53Nikolaszbrb smoke
15:34:55whippiii_Apple Mobile Device USB DRiver
15:35:03whippiii_TheSeven: yes, it's dark
15:35:16TheSevenok, then take that entry and choose "update driver"
15:35:56TheSevenchoose the bottom option on the next steps of the wizard (specifying everything yourself, and not letting it search itself)
15:36:06TheSevensearch by itself*
15:36:52TheSevenif it asks you for a device category, choose "all devices"
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15:37:15TheSeventhen if it asks you select from that huge list of vendors and drivers, choose "have disk" and point it to winusb-xp.inf
15:40:34Nikolaszis there any diferende betwin 1.0.2 1.03 1.04 data comunication with pc and g4 nano ?
15:40:42whippiii_TheSeven: oh, it isnt working, maybe because I must use Internet through a proxy server :(
15:41:14TheSevenwhat isn't working? IRC?
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15:42:38wodzI give up - I don't think there is simple, elegant way to extend to install .fms correctly
15:43:24whippiii_TheSeven: the wizzard for hardware updating gets frozen, searching on Internet, 'cause there's a proxy server...
15:43:37TheSevenit shouldn't search on the internet
15:43:44TheSevenalways select the bottom-most option
15:44:50whippiii_TheSeven: but the wizzard ends with the message: An error ocurred during the installation of the device
15:45:06wodzTheSeven: Regarding my issues with nano2g and usb - I think I have similar problem with my mini1g. That would mean that my laptop is (partially?) responsible for this.
15:45:12TheSevendid it ask you for the location of the driver?
15:45:21TheSevenif not, you made some mistake somewhere
15:45:34TheSevenand it didn't accept winusb-xp.inf?
15:45:46TheSevendid you extract that into the same folder where winusb.inf is?
15:45:51TheSevenif yes, delete winusb.inf and retry
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15:47:07wodzTheSeven: If I boot Apple firmware from iloader and connect USB the volume appears twice
15:47:58TheSeventhat's funny :)
15:50:26wodzrunning fsck on this voluem gives me warning: There is no backup boot sector.
15:50:38wodzTheSeven: is it normal? ^
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15:50:58wodzso ignore it and run without backup?
15:51:56whippiii_TheSeven: it seems like device manager got frozen, doesnt see any DFU now :( it emits a quickly double unpuggled sound
15:52:51whippiii_I dont know why firstly it showed Apple Mobile Device USB Driver while iPod was in DFU mode
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15:58:01Stummihm, when i make a application build (SDL) it doesn't build plugins. Does Somebody have an idea why?
15:58:21wodzn1s: battery_bench ended after 16:39 and discharge curve is exactly like for builds with old gcc.
15:58:26LambdaCalculus37Stummi: Which platform?
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15:58:45Nikolaszthe7 you kmow all abaut 4g nano i se you all over net
15:58:51[Saint]plugins would need all the screen resize magic? no?
15:59:01StummiLambdaCalculus37, what do you mean? I am building on debian
15:59:03pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: it is in his question...
15:59:37LambdaCalculus37Stummi: Oops, sorry. Misread.
15:59:42Stumminp :)
16:00:09[Saint]some plugins should work in theory, but the rest would need magic to resize bitmaps which we don't have.
16:00:18Stummioverall, application build could be documented a bit better *g*
16:00:49whippiii_TheSeven: doesnt exist the way to install rockbox from Linux?
16:02:12Stummi[Saint], no one is builded here. /usr/local/lib/rockbox/rocks/*/ are all empty except of the data-files ( e.g. sokoban.levels )
16:02:47[Saint]plugins are probably disabled.
16:02:48Stummiand the apps-directory in the build dir doesn't have this plugins too
16:02:55[Saint]I've never actually tried to use any.
16:02:57Stummihow can i enable them?
16:04:07[Saint]I'm not entirely certain, it's probably a bit much expecting the same level of functionality as the sim due to dynamic screen sizing.
16:04:21whippiii_TheSeven: I'll switch to Linux and try that way, be right back, sorry for all the problems I've give you trying to install Rockbox
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16:08:09LambdaCalculus37TheSeven: Did a little checking out of the HW Info on my iPod Classic; I've got LCD type 1 in mine.
16:10:04whippiii_TheSeven: that Python script, how can I use it from Linux?
16:10:26TheSevensudo python bootstrap-ipodclassic.dfu
16:11:47whippiii_TheSeven: and... the .dfu file, where is it?
16:12:57whippiii_18 kb?
16:13:16whippiii_TheSeven: does it use Internet access to install the main program?
16:13:34TheSevenno, it doesn't, and 18kB is fine
16:14:28*pixelma isn't too happy about the actual language string behind LANG_AUTORESUME_ENABLE_YES
16:14:35whippiii_it means: on linux, I can install Rockbox using: that Python script and the .dfu file?
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16:16:04whippiii_TheSeven: I'm only comparing the Windows installer: 3.3 mb with these little 18 kb :S
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16:19:27TheSeventhat .dfu file is contained in the .exe, which is rather small
16:19:41TheSeventhe big .ubi file will be needed on linux as well, you'll need to copy that to the UMSboot volume
16:19:48TheSeven(as on windows)
16:20:03TheSevenand the other huge files are the winusb driver core :)
16:20:23whippiii_ok, gonna copy .ubi and switch to linux
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16:22:24sideralpixelma: What's the problem with the lang string, and do you have a suggestion for improving it?
16:22:29[Saint]is there no touchscreen area for hold?!?
16:23:06pixelma[Saint]: how would you switch it, especially off?
16:23:49[Saint]Hmmm...good point.
16:26:58pixelmasideral: I don't like that it contains "(requires initialised database" - is this really something a user needs to always see in the menu? I would imagine that a generic yes/no would be used there and then on enabling an internal check could happen if it already is enabled, if not the user could get a splash to initialise it. That's my personal feel at the moment
16:26:58sideralpixelma: What's the problem with the LANG_AUTORESUME_ENABLE_YES lang string, and do you have a suggestion for improving it?
16:28:11pixelmaof course you could discuss this in a "the user is informed beforehand" way, but if the changes happen to just add the affected tracks to the database then this string might become outdated anyway (in its current form)
16:28:52***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
16:29:45sideralYes, it's kind of ugly. But I'd like to set expectations before the user changes anything. On the other hand, I don't care too much and would be fine with the error splash as well
16:30:39sideralI guess even if we add support for incremental DB extensions, the DB still needs to be in some initialized state
16:31:57sideralI think it will be no problem to just deprecate the string should we ever not need it any more
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16:32:45sideraldid you mean an error-message splash or a splash prompt line "initialize now?"?
16:33:29whippiiiTheSeven: I'm on Linux and the iPod is on DFU mode, what I have to do is just execute python with root permission?
16:33:47whippiiiTheSeven: I've located the .dfu and ibu file on the same folder
16:33:54TheSevenyes, assuming you have all the neccessary prerequisites installed
16:34:01whippiiitogether with .py files
16:34:03TheSeven(python, libusb and pyusb >=1.0.0a1)
16:34:26whippiiigonna try, lemme cross my fingers xD
16:36:29pixelmasideral: hmm, good question
16:37:50whippiiiTheSeven: is pyusb the same thing that python-usb on Ubuntu?
16:38:28whippiiiTheSeven: I've installed python-usb and usb module hasnt the same components you use on libipoddfu
16:38:35whippiiiusb.core doesnt exist
16:38:43whippiiibut usb exists
16:39:20TheSeven[16:34] <TheSeven> (python, libusb and pyusb >=1.0.0a1)
16:39:30TheSeventhis looks like you're using pyusb 0.1
16:39:39whippiiiI see
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16:40:29sideralApropos autoresume: I believe saratoga's HWCODEC fix after the autoresume commit has a small error (a misplaced #endif breaks playback statistics for HWCODEC). He's busy and hasn't gotten to around to fix it yet. Anyone care to commit the fix?
16:40:37[Saint]sideral: "Error: Database is not initialized - Initialize now? Yes/No"
16:40:47[Saint](not one one line, if it can be avoided)
16:41:03[Saint]I think that's a fairly elegant solution.
16:41:39whippiiiTheSeven: just to be sure: once I've installed RockBox and something goes wrong, can I get back the former AppleOS?
16:42:30TheSevenno warranty for anything, but you should be able to uninstall iloader and restore using itunes
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16:45:18sideralpixelma, Saint: I'll ponder this for a while and will come up with a patch if I don't find a good reason not to. Anyone of you care enough to put this up for discussion in FS #11748?
16:46:05[Saint]If I remember, I'll add a link to the IRC log on that tracker
16:46:32whippiiiTheSeven: upload finished, the iPod shows a prompt asking for me to copy the UBI file, where do I have to copy it?
16:47:10TheSevento the USB mass storage device that just connected
16:47:23pixelmasideral: the patch you posted right before - do I read correctly that the "gather runtime data" option doesn't appear on hwcodec builds at all currently?
16:47:38pixelmaI could try actually, but...
16:47:49pixelmahaven't updated in a while
16:48:15whippiiiTheSeven: I think I must mount it manually...
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16:48:30whippiiiTheSeven: fdisk doesnt show any device
16:49:09sideralpixelma: I believe so −− or maybe HWCODEC doesn't build at all? Not sure what the impact is
16:49:31pixelmathe build table would show the latter
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16:51:24TheSevenwhippiii: does dmesg show it?
16:53:06whippiiiTheSeven: would be this: "scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access UMSboot RAMDISK..."?
16:53:52pixelmasideral: looks like a "safe" thing to commit, even for me as a next to non-coder
16:54:00whippiiiTheSeven: but I cant find the device name :S
16:54:13whippiiiTheSeven: on /dev
16:54:29TheSevenshould be in the dmesg output
16:54:57TheSevenif you only have one HDD, it will probably be /dev/sdb
16:56:14sideralpixelma: I think so. If you would be so kind? Your chance to crank up your commit stats by one ;)
16:56:40pixelmaI plan to, currently test-building
16:57:10whippiiiTheSeven: the device doesnt show :( fdisk only shows only HDD partitions
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16:58:26TheSevenyou aren't supposed to do *anything* with fdisk
16:58:27whippiiiTheSeven: gonna put on pastebin the dmesg output
16:59:12whippiiiTheSeven: but I guess that if "there's a device" fdisk should "see it"
16:59:13sideralpixelma: I just checked in my sim what happens when that line is ifdef'd out: The setting menu shows a beautiful "Not done yet!" warning, and the sim crashes when I select that item
16:59:22TheSevenwhippiii: not neccessarily
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17:00:31pixelmasideral: ooh nice. BTW: hwcodec does have the database, "just" not database in RAM. Why is this needed for autoresume?
17:01:17sideralautoresume relies on the DB, but not on DB-ramcache
17:01:23whippiiiTheSeven: take a look:
17:01:44TheSeven"sdc" all over the place
17:01:49TheSevenso that will be /dev/sdc
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17:02:33whippiiiTheSeven: /dev/sdc doesnt exist :S
17:02:52sideralpixelma: it's just that autoresume is not yet supported for HWCODEC. The playback.c changes would have to be ported to mpeg.c
17:02:55TheSevenprobably because dmesg says that the device was unplugged again after some minutes
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17:03:37sideralpixelma: it's probably trivial, but I have no device to test it on, and the simulation of HWCODEC is said to be not faithful enough to allow such a port
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17:04:14whippiiiTheSeven: can I reboot the iPod and try again?
17:04:30TheSevenwhat does it say on the lcd? "no ubi file found"?
17:04:43TheSevenyou need to start over in that case
17:04:48TheSevenjust enter DFU mode again
17:06:44pixelmasideral: well, yes the codec chip is not emulated and playback doesn't really work, it wouldn't be easy to do
17:08:51whippiiiTheSeven: now it's on sdb, I executed "mount", it's "mouting" since 1 minute
17:09:01whippiiigets frozen too
17:09:32pixelmasideral: at least trying to enter "Not done yet!" doesn't crash the device
17:10:03TheSevenwhippiii: just wait
17:10:14TheSeventhat's some linux-related bug
17:10:31TheSevenit seems to hit lots of read timeouts, and we don't yet know why
17:10:36TheSevenonly happens with usb2 linux machines
17:10:37whippiiihow much could it take? ÑS
17:10:41TheSevena few minutes
17:10:41whippiiihow long*
17:11:14TheSevensomeone said killing mount with SIGKILL worked and the volume was accessible after that, but that might just have been luck
17:11:24whippiiiTheSeven: done, it's mounted, now it's just to copy the ubi file
17:11:37whippiiiumount and disconnect the iPod
17:11:44whippiiiand reboot it
17:12:30TheSevenno, it should boot the installer after unplugging it
17:12:54TheSevenwhat does the LCD say?
17:13:13whippiiiits formatting
17:13:15whippiiithe old data
17:13:39whippiiifingers still crossed :S
17:17:41whippiiiTheSeven: finished and the LCD got white
17:17:45whippiiiTheSeven: so?
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17:19:49TheSevenwhippiii: known bug, just reboot it manually
17:20:00whippiiigonna copy some music and try
17:20:50CIA-7New commit by pixelma (r29035): Fix the 'Gather Runtime Data' language string on HWCODEC which accidentally got disabled in r28943. Patch taken from FS #11748, author: Michael ...
17:21:16whippiiiTheSeven: which is the way to copy music, videos, etc?
17:21:34whippiiimount it and...?
17:21:42LambdaCalculus37Just copy them in.
17:21:56TheSevenwhippiii: videos probably won't work yet
17:22:17LambdaCalculus37whippiii: Videos don't work yet. Mpegplayer crashes on the iPod Classic currently.
17:22:22whippiiiit's not grouped on folders or something?
17:22:35whippiiiLambdaCalculus37: thanks for that tip
17:22:40LambdaCalculus37whippiii: You can copy your music in however you feel comfortable.
17:23:01sideralthanks pixelma!
17:23:22whippiiidmesg shows errors
17:23:25pixelmasideral: you're welcome
17:23:25whippiiiusb 2-4: device descriptor read/64, error -110
17:23:30CIA-7r29035 build result: All green
17:23:33whippiiiI'm about to panic
17:24:06[Saint]this is where the "no warranty" part comes in.
17:27:47[Saint]that seems to be some *nix related high speed USB thing if google is to be believes.
17:28:03whippiiican it be fixed?
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17:28:16[Saint]try another OS?
17:28:35whippiiigonna try on Windows
17:29:03n1syou could try unloading the ehci driver to disable high speed usb
17:29:39whippiiin1s: how can I do that?
17:31:19n1smodprobe -r <whatever the ehci thing is called<
17:31:39whippiiin1s: dmesg told me: "usb 2-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 17"
17:31:46whippiiihow can I restar it?
17:31:58n1stry unloading ehci_hcd then
17:33:27whippiiin1s: sorry for my "stupidness", where I find the ehci name?
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17:33:46n1stry: modprobe -r ehci_hcd
17:34:02whippiiinot found
17:34:37n1swell, you need to be rot or use sudo ofc
17:35:55n1sof course
17:36:42whippiiithe same answer, ehci_hcd not found :S
17:38:33n1syour dmesg log says it's in use so that makes no sense
17:38:46pixelmabertrik: wasn't there a patch to improve sound quality on the AMS Sansas and is it on flyspray?
17:39:40bertrikpixelma, yes there is a patch, for AMSv2 sansas (fuze v2, clip v2, sansa clip+), I'll look it up
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17:42:52whippiiin1s: gonna try on Windows, be right back on minutes
17:43:12n1swhippiii: ok, i won't be able to help with that at all though
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18:01:16whippiiiit's a problem of Linux module
18:01:22whippiiion Windows copied some music and it Works :D
18:01:26whippiiithanks a lot
18:01:38whippiiiTheSeven: thanks man
18:01:44whippiiin1s: thansk to you too :D
18:02:22whippiiijust a little thing more: i choose Clear Backdrop on the theme menu
18:02:26whippiiihow can I get them back?
18:02:32*pamaury find it suspicious when something usb related works under windows and not under linux...
18:02:33whippiiithe backdrops
18:02:37Tornechoose a backdrop
18:02:41Torneor choose a theme which includes one
18:03:13whippiiigonna have lunch, see ya :)
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18:03:46TheSevenpamaury: i'd really like to know why. also it only fails with EHCI on linux. UHCI works fine.
18:04:05TheSevenand I usually don't get these enumeration fails but just bulk transfer timeouts followed by bus resets
18:04:14pamaurywhich device ? I don't want to read the log :)
18:04:18TheSevenon windows, not a single transfer bus reset occurs
18:04:30TheSevenso the sysnopsys thing
18:04:43pamaurythe same as in the nano2g ?
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18:06:04pamauryI basically have the same problem with the amsv2 one; except that there is my patch on FS with a nasty workaround. Perhaps a timing problem, linux might ensure the usb timing more stricly than windows
18:06:41pamauryit's strange than it works with ehci and uhci. On the other hand, with uhci you are bound to FS
18:06:50pamaury*uhci and not ehci
18:07:27*[Saint] found many of the same sorts of errors with different devices on *nix using Google
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18:07:41[Saint]I suspect it's not related to the port at all.
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18:08:20pamaurybut in the case of the amsv2, I strongly suspect that the controller is not initialised correctly
18:09:22n1sdo the OF's of these ipods have the same bad behvaiour when connected to a linux machine with hi speed
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18:11:52TheSeveni can't test that myself, but i haven't heard of similar problems with the OF so far
18:12:25TheSevenalso there seem to be very few devices where USB doesn't work at all, unless the device was booted through DFU (and thus the USB controller initialized by the bootrom)
18:12:45TheSevena SoC reset doesn't break it in that case, a real powerdown does
18:12:58TheSeveni have absolutely no clue what kind of state that could be...
18:13:31n1stricky but does indeed sound like a missing init
18:14:23pamaurythe thing is that the clip+ usb code in the OF is written in C++ and is horrible to understand, and we don't even understand well the SoC itself so finding out is hard
18:14:56pamauryand in the case of the ipod, well we know even less about the SoC no ?
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18:15:26TheSevenpamaury: the bootrom code is rather trivial though
18:15:57TheSeven(and I think I have duplicated it rather well in our driver ;-)
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18:16:33pamaurydid you duplicate all the init code as well ?
18:17:04pamaurybecause then it should work !
18:18:07TheSevenat least roughly
18:18:28TheSeventhe driver originates from the nano2g, and i have adjusted some values to make it work on the classic, but haven't compared all the code
18:20:48pamauryif I'm extremely motivated, I could try to go through the clip+ usb code to find out but than would extremely painful and clearly is not my priority since with the patch it works rather well
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18:21:05TheSevenwhat does the patch do?
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18:21:27pamaurydead simple: could bus reset and if there are too many, do a hard reset (soft disconnect, reconnect)
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18:24:02pamauryhuh soft reset sorry
18:24:27pamaurywell, just disconnect and reconnect. It works pretty well which is why I thing there an init problem
18:26:11TheSevenpamaury: that doesn't sound like the same bug then
18:26:41TheSevensoft disconnecting doesn't seem to make the bus resets go away
18:26:58pamauryno luck then
18:27:05TheSevenexcept maybe if linux is clever enough to degrade the device to USB1.1 after a few reconnects
18:27:21*[Saint] wonders if it's possible to build a landscape orientated version of RaaA
18:27:30TheSevenand also the bus resets happen on like every 10th to 20th bulk transfer, but only on transfers from the device to the PC
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18:28:52pamauryI my case then bus reset arise between enumeration and the first few transfers, the controller suddenly doesn't report transfers anymore
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18:29:31pamauryperhaps you can physical disconnect the device, if there is some register to do so
18:30:15TheSevenactually i didn't try soft disconnects but physical disconnects instead (manually unplugging the cable)
18:30:52TheSevenfor me there is one timeout every 10 to 20 transfers, followed by a bus reset and re-enumeration
18:31:19TheSeventhen the next 10 to 20 transfers make their way through the bus before it locks up again, gets reset again, etc.
18:31:30pamaurystrange, good luck ;)
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19:52:27*[Saint] wishes that the "NOW PLAYING" wasn't a part of the backdrop in cabbiev2
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20:00:59thomasjfox[Saint]: Quick question regaring cabbiev2: Is it supposed to hide the current playing track when one skips to the next track and show the popup menu instead?
20:01:58[Saint]I would say not...but, I can't see your WPS
20:02:29[Saint]that's either one hell of a bug, or you have two touch areas overlapping
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20:03:16thomasjfoxI already fixed that the prev/next track buttons only appear when the popup menu is active
20:05:12[Saint]Is that just the one from our SVN, repositioned?
20:05:29[Saint]our 480x800?
20:07:52[Saint]My suspicion is over-lapping touch areas, dump your .wps code to pastebin and PM me...I don't have time to look at it right now, but I can do this afternoon.
20:07:58[Saint]thomasjfox: ^
20:08:28[Saint](when I say afternoon, it's 8am ;))
20:17:37thomasjfoxkugel did a quick port, guess it's based on the 480x800 android theme
20:17:58thomasjfoxthe link I posted above contains the .wps file
20:18:27[Saint]Ok, what time is it there for you?
20:18:45thomasjfoxIt's currently 20:20 ;)
20:18:49[Saint]If you're still on when I've sorted it out (assuming I do) I'll ping you if you're on.
20:18:56thomasjfoxSo I will be asleep
20:19:14[Saint]PM me a mail if you go off-line
20:19:16thomasjfoxThanks. Don't worry about it, I'll try to look for overlapping areas
20:19:50[Saint]I'd suggest the theme editor, but there seems to be a pretty bad bug with touch areas
20:20:14[Saint]touch areas aren't shown as viewport relative, so it'd be impossible to spot overlaps there.
20:20:38thomasjfoxLooks like I need to get out paper and pen :)
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21:37:08*jhMikeS wonders if there was ever any particular reason PP bootloaders don't change the hardware settings or if that was just overly prudent
21:40:43n1si'd guess that it could break the OF's in interesting ways
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21:42:38jhMikeSthe OF I've looked at simply sets up it's own stuff from scratch, while the bl merely turns off the mem manager and interrupts
21:44:04n1si think i remember something about lcd controller settings that caused an OF on some ipod to be mirrored or upsidedown or somesuch
21:46:27jhMikeSI don't think I'll need to change anything for LCD. I need the mem manager and interrupts though to do bl USB mode. It can avoid being forced on every bootloader of course.
21:47:42gevaertsjhMikeS: can that be done after checking for OF boot?
21:49:01jhMikeSafter they key is checked?
21:49:10gevaertsn1s: I'm charging my x5 now
21:49:52n1sgevaerts: great, it IS true that they can easily be recovered from a bad bootloader, right?
21:50:03gevaertsn1s: so I've been told :)
21:50:37jhMikeSgevaerts: it's complicated as all hell to late init that stuff, I was thinking mapping cached physical addresses to themselves would make it simpler for the bl
21:50:45n1sawesome, i really don't expect trouble from the lds patch, but maybe the toolchain switch itself
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21:51:29gevaertsjhMikeS: true. I guess the usual testing is good enough for making sure the thing works for OF loading too
21:51:36jhMikeSthen with the mem manager setup, no addresses are altered, more of the bootloader can go in DRAM
21:52:49jhMikeSgevaerts: I wanted to not touch anything at all if the OF key is down, yes, bl USB mode would be "point of no return" and anything goes after that
21:54:18*jhMikeS would like two files instead of dozens 1) PP5002 and 2) PP502x
22:00:12CIA-7New commit by gevaerts (r29036): Add test_gfx and test_resize to CATEORIES so they show up in the right place
22:02:46CIA-7r29036 build result: All green
22:02:50gevaertskugel: lcd_putsxy is *slightly* slower with the AA patch on ipod video, around 1.3%
22:04:38*[Saint] wonders what it is that is blocking that patch.
22:04:47[Saint](AA Fonts)
22:05:26jhMikeSsome feel it's pure "eye candy"?
22:06:13[Saint]Oh...we should drop .wps support then ;)
22:06:16gevaertsWell, it *is* pure eye candy.
22:06:44gevaertsIts impact seems to be a lot less than lots of other pure eye candy things we have though
22:06:58[Saint]what's wrong with eye candy? anyway...if it's low impact.
22:07:07[Saint](which I understand this to be)
22:07:19[Saint]Ah, yes...what gevaerts said.
22:08:49gevaertsAdding an UNLIKELY to the if() gains about 0.1% back :)
22:09:12gevaertsThat's pure lcd_putsxy speed of course, not counting actually updating the lcd
22:11:09[Saint]On some targets, it could drastically impact LCD update spped and still have no visible impact.
22:11:38gevaertsIt doesn't impact LCD update speed :)
22:12:10gevaertsIt impacts the speed of the actual drwaing of the characters
22:12:35[Saint]by any amount that a human could register?
22:12:36n1sis it reading the background pixels from the fb?
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22:13:12n1sgevaerts: did you test how the speed differs between drawing an AA font and a non-AA one?
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22:13:46gevaertsn1s: no. I only really care about the impact on people who don't want AA
22:14:08n1sunderstandable, i was just curious
22:15:51gevaertsTesting that would need changes to test_gfx. That currently uses SYSFONT only
22:22:18n1sgevaerts: if you test the bootloader today just post results in here or if you want to experiment if it fails, the only change i did was mark the .bss section as NOLOAD in the file
22:22:45gevaertsn1s: it works
22:22:50gevaertson x5 at least
22:22:54n1sah, great
22:22:56*gevaerts just tested
22:23:01n1sthe one i built?
22:23:11n1sawesome, thanks
22:23:23gevaertsZagor: did you remember the build client push?
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22:24:46CIA-7New commit by nls (r29037): Fix warning when linking booltoaders with the new toolchain by marking .bss section NOLOAD, thanks for gevaerts for testing on his x5.
22:25:13wodzspeaking about ehci problems - I can't reliably copy files to both of my ipods (nano2g and mini1g). I get tons of bus resets. If transfer is small sometimes it is successful but device hangs on sync anyway.
22:25:47wodzgl811e usb->ide bridge in MPIOs works like a charm on the other hand
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22:27:02n1swodz: yes, forgot to reply
22:27:09CIA-7r29037 build result: All green
22:27:24n1sso no significant difference, right?
22:27:54n1sgreat, thanks for testing :)
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22:29:18wodzno problem
22:30:03CIA-7New commit by zagor (r29038): Require client version 36.
22:30:10Zagorgevaerts: yes
22:30:20n1swe are set then i think
22:30:49gevaertsZagor: ah, good. I hadn't noticed :)
22:31:35n1sso i commit changes to and configure, and the build list needs an update?
22:31:38gevaertsZagor: hm, don't you also have to tell the clients about this? Mine is still happy with 35
22:32:02Zagoryes, I will restart the master which then tells everyone to upgrade
22:32:23gevaertsok. Can you see how many clients announce m68k-gcc-452 somehow?
22:33:26gevaertsn1s: it's probably a good idea to first make sure we have enough updated build clients to not make build rounds last an hour :)
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22:33:34Zagorno, I don't log that
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22:33:46B4gderperhaps email the dev list about it?
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22:34:18n1sB4gder: yes, i'll push the change and mail the list
22:34:35gevaertsnot the dev list. We have a dedicated build client list after all
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22:35:02B4gderI totally forgot about thato ne
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22:35:05n1sok, i'm not on that list so could someone else send that mail?
22:36:07*gevaerts can have a go
22:36:31gevaertsAt least if I can figure out what to say
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22:38:39*wodz wonders what a genius compiled EHCI support stright into kernel in ubuntu 10.04.1.
22:38:51Zagoroops, wrong svn version
22:39:04CIA-7New commit by nls (r29039): coldfire toolchain upgrade, now using gcc 4.5.2 and binutils 2.20.1. The configure switch will come as soon as a few buildclients are ...
22:41:44CIA-7New commit by zagor (r29040): Bumped update client version
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22:49:14gevaertsn1s: sent
22:49:27gevaertsI also asked for replies so we know when we can go on
22:49:41n1sgood idea :)
22:49:55gevaertsDo you have the configure patch ready?
22:50:05n1syes, it's only 2 lines
22:51:21n1sit's also in fs#7832 in case a comet hits my ads modem or something
22:51:51bertrikwhich target should I build to test the new compiler?
22:52:50n1sbertrik: iriver h100/h300 iaudio m3,m5,x5 or mpio hd200/hd300
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23:17:43Zagorn1s: "WARNING: Your cross-compiler m68k-elf-gcc 4.5.2 is not of the recommended version 3.4.6!"
23:18:00Zagortools/configure:387 should be changed, no?
23:18:32n1sZagor: yes but gevaerts told me to wait untill some clients had upgraded
23:18:34Zagorduh, *facepalm* you delayed that commit. ignore me :)
23:18:35gevaertsZagor: as soon as we have a a reasonable amount of switched clients
23:19:15gevaertsZagor: says that there's a stuck build
23:19:18bertrikmy desktop now has the updated m68 compiler and is advertising it in runclient script, I'll leave it on during this night
23:19:33n1sbertrik: great
23:19:59thomasjfoxkugel: Present for you: FS #11868
23:20:45thomasjfoxkugel: I try to test the ucontext branch the next days, preparing the initial maemo patch took longer than I thought
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23:21:07n1sgevaerts: there are 8 coldfire builds if i count correctly and we should have 4 upgraded clients now, do you think that's enough?
23:21:22n1snot counting bl builds
23:22:38gevaertshm, we'd have pretty slow rounds for a while, but that's not the end of the world
23:22:45Zagoroh, my mistake. I do log the supported archs
23:23:16gevaertsI'd say we update the builds file first, so the server does the right thing when the configure update goes in
23:23:46thomasjfoxgevaerts: Would it make sense to have an "Application" player in FS?
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23:24:07gevaertsthomasjfox: probably. Prod Zagor for that :)
23:24:35Zagorit certainly sounds sensible
23:24:38gevaertsZagor: what do the numbers there say?
23:25:29n1sgevaerts: yes, forgot about that one, i'll just hold off for now and do it tomorrow then
23:25:41gevaertsn1s: that one is ready here :)
23:25:52gevaertsShall we go for it?
23:26:02n1sah, ok then
23:26:20CIA-7New commit by gevaerts (r29041): Switch coldfire to gcc 4.5.2
23:27:02Zagorthere are 5 updated clients at the moment
23:27:15gevaertsZagor: do you remember if the new builds file is picked up immediately?
23:28:06Zagoryes it is. rbmaster svn up:s it before each round
23:28:14gevaertsok. great
23:28:18gevaertsn1s: your turn then :)
23:28:49CIA-7New commit by nls (r29042): Switch coldfire builds over to new toolchain using gcc 4.5.2 and binutils 2.20.1 ...
23:29:01*n1s crosses fingers
23:29:14B4gderdoes work fine with -j flags to make?
23:29:21n1sB4gder: yes
23:29:25B4gdernice, thanks
23:29:36n1sit even lets you set MAKEFLAGS
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23:32:24n1sAnyone building a gcc 4.5 crosscompiler, note that the build needs a c++ compiler
23:32:47*n1s goes to update some wiki pages about that
23:33:57CIA-7r29042 build result: All green
23:34:23Zagorwhee! nicely done, n1s
23:34:30gevaertsWeird deltas
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23:37:39n1si'll take a look at the deltas tomorrow
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23:42:58thomasjfoxjhMikeS: btw: I tried my luck with the Rio developers about the Karma's PortalPlayer ecos changes. The submitted changes to Redhat are lost and it looks like they won't hand them out...
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23:44:01thomasjfoxjhMikeS: Would have been nice to get the diff files, they should contain good information about the used PortalPlayer chipset
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23:53:55jhMikeSnot sure what to make of that. why the heck won't they share it? was there new info in it?
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