| 00:00:39 | thomasjfox | According to one dev it contained a good map of register, timers etc. |
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| 00:15:56 | n1s | B4gder: great |
| 00:20:22 | jhMikeS | thomasjfox: I see |
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| 04:15:11 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon|: touch areas *are* viewport relative...correct? |
| 04:15:32 | JdGordon| | not sure |
| 04:15:37 | JdGordon| | probably |
| 04:16:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...I assumed so myself, and you can definitely fire a touch area in a conditional viewport right? |
| 04:16:34 | S_a_i_n_t | the theme editor seems to not do either of those things. |
| 04:17:04 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 04:17:05 | S_a_i_n_t | (touch areas are always true...and screen relative, not VP relative) |
| 04:17:19 | S_a_i_n_t | in the theme editor^ |
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| 05:07:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Is there some way I'm missing that you would be able to make a touch area for "Mute"? |
| 05:08:17 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd like the volume to mute when I hold the volume icon for <X>, is that possible and I'm just missing it? |
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| 05:16:43 | JdGordon| | should be dead simple to implement |
| 05:16:52 | JdGordon| | actually.... thats something we really should add |
| 05:16:57 | JdGordon| | or, just press pause |
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| 05:26:35 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: I can see logic in adding mute for the fm screen, it should be really simple to do if you want to try |
| 05:26:58 | JdGordon| | just need to add the touch region code and 3 lines to handle it |
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| 05:35:28 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: untested and WPS only (needs adding for use in sbs/fms) http://pastebin.com/bDmfCFjX |
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| 07:37:03 | JdGordon| | S_a_i_n_t: actually... yeah maybe it doesnt really make sense for a mute button |
| 07:37:15 | JdGordon| | because you need to turn the screen on first and pulling the headphones is faster |
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| 07:40:54 | PurlingNayuki | Hi everyone. |
| 07:41:20 | PurlingNayuki | What files should I edit if I want to add a item in WPS context menu? |
| 07:41:43 | JdGordon| | apps/onplay.c i tihnk |
| 07:44:27 | PurlingNayuki | So you see, some one have added 'picture flow' in it. |
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| 07:45:17 | PurlingNayuki | How should I add a item named lryplayer in it, and when I press it I can start lryplayer? |
| 07:45:40 | JdGordon| | find the commi that added the pictureflow code and copy it |
| 07:46:47 | PurlingNayuki | I can't find which commit it's in... |
| 07:47:03 | PurlingNayuki | I only get a patch, but it seems to be out-of-date. |
| 07:48:57 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r29043): FS #11867 - Add 2 new tags to allow skins to display themed peakmeters ... |
| 07:52:22 | CIA-7 | r29043 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 07:52:48 | PurlingNayuki | Oh, errors. |
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| 07:54:37 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r29044): remove unecessary (duplicated even) header |
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| 07:56:39 | ruckus | hey Buschel |
| 07:56:55 | Buschel | hi |
| 07:57:11 | Buschel | I saw you were searching for me |
| 07:57:17 | ruckus | so i am back with some (perhaps) frightening results |
| 07:57:31 | Buschel | let's see :) |
| 07:58:11 | ruckus | ok. so, i experienced no freezes of the kind i had before, until tonight, which is pretty good since they used to happen lot more often |
| 07:58:27 | CIA-7 | r29044 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
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| 07:58:58 | ruckus | a different problem appeared though. my iPod wouldn't turn on when off. twice i had to force restart so it would turn on |
| 07:59:25 | ruckus | the first happened yesterday, and the other time tonight |
| 07:59:50 | ruckus | although, once i restarted it tonight i got an icon |
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| 08:00:03 | Buschel | hmm, the build I gave you is pure svn with one change reverted. this reverted change is not connected to startup... |
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| 08:00:26 | ruckus | an exclamation next to an ipod, with a link to apple's support page about ipods |
| 08:01:00 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r29045): here too |
| 08:01:02 | ruckus | i haven't done anything to it, aside of running the diagnostics and trying to restart it several times |
| 08:01:09 | Buschel | ? battery empty ? |
| 08:01:21 | ruckus | nope. it's pretty full. |
| 08:01:54 | Buschel | never saw such behaviour on my iPod |
| 08:02:02 | ruckus | i've never seen this before as well |
| 08:02:26 | PurlingNayuki | So did you try to re-flash your iPod? |
| 08:02:43 | ruckus | i haven't tried anything. i thought it's best to ask you guys first |
| 08:03:37 | ruckus | wait |
| 08:03:38 | PurlingNayuki | Flash your iPod may solve this. Remember to backup your data. |
| 08:03:43 | ruckus | this is strange |
| 08:03:53 | ruckus | i am confident that i charged my ipod today fully |
| 08:03:59 | ruckus | but |
| 08:04:31 | ruckus | i just plugged it in the usb drive, and i again got that exclamation business |
| 08:04:45 | Buschel | can you enter the emergeny disk mode? |
| 08:04:55 | CIA-7 | r29045 build result: All green |
| 08:04:57 | ruckus | i moved it at a different angle, and i can see the screen saying that the battery is extremely low |
| 08:05:18 | ruckus | nope, back to the error screen |
| 08:05:40 | PurlingNayuki | I don't think your battery is truly low. |
| 08:05:49 | PurlingNayuki | It must be software error. |
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| 08:06:08 | ruckus | good thing i backed up everything today |
| 08:07:10 | PurlingNayuki | So you should get into the OF first, I guess. |
| 08:07:39 | ruckus | OF ? |
| 08:07:54 | Buschel | would you mind using another build? this one does not have the suspicious change reverted. but it has a special PANIC debug output, if a thread deadlock is detected |
| 08:08:14 | ruckus | but that's what i'm saying |
| 08:08:27 | ruckus | i mean, the ipod won't mount at all now |
| 08:08:38 | PurlingNayuki | Wait. |
| 08:08:48 | PurlingNayuki | Let's start afresh. |
| 08:09:00 | PurlingNayuki | Which build of Rockbox you're using? |
| 08:09:19 | ruckus | Buschel should know that |
| 08:09:35 | PurlingNayuki | Maybe. |
| 08:09:39 | Buschel | it is a buold based on r28992 w/o r2887 |
| 08:09:44 | Buschel | w/o r28877 |
| 08:10:47 | Buschel | I am using it as well and it does not show such behaviour by default |
| 08:11:15 | ruckus | i am fearing that the restarts damaged the ipod's os somehow |
| 08:12:21 | ruckus | because both rockbox and the ipod's os refuse to boot, whether i plug the usb cable, or the adapter |
| 08:13:25 | Buschel | again: can you enter the OF's emergeny disk mode? |
| 08:13:53 | ruckus | Buschel: i am just looking up the instructions how to do that |
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| 08:13:58 | ruckus | i haven't tried that yet |
| 08:14:57 | Buschel | ruckus: start the ipod via pressing OK. when you see the apple logo on the screen press both MENU and PLAY/PAUSE until you enter the emergency disk mode |
| 08:17:28 | ruckus | no luck so far |
| 08:17:46 | Buschel | no logo visible? |
| 08:20:31 | ruckus | i see the error |
| 08:20:58 | kisak | why is the "status summary of unstable and unusable ports." link on the main page of rockbox.org incomplete? |
| 08:21:23 | kisak | the # tag is incomplete |
| 08:21:32 | Buschel | when you reset the ipod (MENU + OK several senconds), do you then see the apple logo for some seconds? if so, press OK+PLAY/PAUSE for several seconds. |
| 08:21:50 | ruckus | i see the logo |
| 08:22:04 | kisak | ruckus: it should take 10-15 seconds |
| 08:22:43 | ruckus | ah! |
| 08:22:46 | ruckus | this time i got it |
| 08:23:06 | Buschel | good, if it is emergency disk mode, plug USB to your PC |
| 08:23:16 | ruckus | done |
| 08:23:30 | Buschel | ok, does it show that it is charging? |
| 08:23:39 | ruckus | yes it does |
| 08:23:51 | Buschel | can you access the disk via USB? |
| 08:23:54 | ruckus | yes |
| 08:24:14 | ruckus | holy crap |
| 08:24:16 | Buschel | what does the content look like? |
| 08:24:26 | ruckus | i see whole bunch of garbled junk in one of my folders |
| 08:24:57 | ruckus | that is, on more than one of my folders |
| 08:25:12 | Buschel | you should run chkdsk (or something similar) |
| 08:25:26 | Buschel | and reinstall |
| 08:26:47 | PurlingNayuki | Filesystem damaged. |
| 08:26:56 | ruckus | looks like it |
| 08:27:40 | ruckus | Unrecoverable error in folder \sgf |
| 08:27:40 | ruckus | Convert folder to file (Y/N)? |
| 08:27:48 | Buschel | hmm, weren't there some such reports in the past weeks? I thought they were connected to the clip/fuze though |
| 08:27:48 | PurlingNayuki | N |
| 08:28:14 | PurlingNayuki | If you chose Y, you will get a lot of junk. |
| 08:28:22 | ruckus | i see |
| 08:28:48 | ruckus | oh crap |
| 08:28:55 | ruckus | it's asking me for every folder |
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| 08:29:39 | ruckus | ok, not every |
| 08:29:42 | ruckus | but many |
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| 08:31:34 | PurlingNayuki | So is it have a quiet mode? |
| 08:32:33 | ruckus | no idea, i'm using chkdsk |
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| 08:32:49 | PurlingNayuki | I don't know much about it. |
| 08:32:56 | ruckus | fuuuuuuuu, bad clusters |
| 08:32:58 | ruckus | :( |
| 08:33:11 | PurlingNayuki | Maybe chkdsk [Device] /f /q ? |
| 08:33:12 | Buschel | ruckus: I need to leave for work now. so, when you reinstall rockbox, can you please use the following build: http://www.sendspace.com/file/1bk6h5 it is a plain r28992 build + an additional patch to show panic screen when detecting deadlock situation. hopefully this is the reason for the lockups you experienced each day. |
| 08:33:41 | PurlingNayuki | Wait, which patch do you include? |
| 08:33:45 | Buschel | ruckus: do you have an iPod with 30 or 60/80 GB HDD? |
| 08:34:03 | ruckus | it's 30gig version, but i put a 160gb drive |
| 08:34:08 | PurlingNayuki | Buschel: What patch(es) do you include? |
| 08:34:46 | Buschel | PurlingNayuki: the patch jhMikeS attached to FS #11863. |
| 08:35:12 | PurlingNayuki | Buschel: Thanks. I will see it. |
| 08:35:34 | Buschel | PurlingNayuki: the build which was used by ruckus so far was plain r28992 (with only r28877 reverted). |
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| 08:36:17 | PurlingNayuki | Thank you. |
| 08:37:02 | ruckus | Buschel: i'll see what i can do. i have to see what's going on with this drive here |
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| 08:37:44 | Buschel | ruckus: yes, of course. good luck! |
| 08:37:50 | Buschel | see you later |
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| 08:38:16 | PurlingNayuki | Bye. |
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| 08:38:58 | ruckus_ | did anyone say anything after my last comment? i got disconnected for a second |
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| 08:40:40 | amiconn | Torne: The H300 exists with two different LCD panels which have different subpixel orientation, without a way for the firmware to know which panel type is connected. The LCD controller is the same |
| 08:41:37 | sideral | ruckus: Yes: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110113#08:37:02 |
| 08:42:05 | ruckus_ | thanks |
| 08:42:43 | ruckus_ | i didn't notice the link in the topic... argh. time to sleep, i've been awake for nearly 24 hrs |
| 08:46:15 | ruckus_ | goodnight folks |
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| 08:47:05 | JdGordon| | wodz: i figured out the problem :) |
| 08:47:28 | wodz | TheSeven: my problems with ipods are coming out from ehci_hcd driver in linux definitely. |
| 08:47:34 | wodz | JdGordon|: nice |
| 08:47:54 | wodz | JdGordon|: what was the problem? |
| 08:48:20 | JdGordon| | fiddly nonesense with how peakmeters are enabled in the wps |
| 08:49:18 | wodz | do you need to enable it in some special way or you fixed this and you simply use %pL/pR as advertised? |
| 08:49:19 | JdGordon| | my wiki account is stuffed so untill zagor can fix it i cant edit CustomWPS to add the new tags thoguh |
| 08:49:26 | JdGordon| | the latter |
| 08:49:44 | wodz | is it in svn or you posted to FS? |
| 08:49:44 | ruckus_ | hey PurlingNayuki. would it be easier just to format the disk? i mean, i have everything backed up anyway |
| 08:50:05 | PurlingNayuki | Yes, of course. |
| 08:50:15 | JdGordon| | wodz: svn as of an hour ago |
| 08:50:31 | wodz | ok, I'll test it on the target later today |
| 08:52:41 | wodz | JdGordon|: BTW. I spend over an hour digging in wpsbuild.pl and my conclusion is that it is hardly extensible hack rather than framework solution |
| 08:53:56 | JdGordon| | wodz: I dont know who wrote it origionally, and yes I agree.... we sort of discussed ages ago about removing all skins from svn except cabbie which would mean a much simpler wpsbuild.pl |
| 08:54:13 | PurlingNayuki | Rockbox now use system built-in font in EQ screen. How can I change it in to user font? |
| 08:55:03 | wodz | JdGordon|: it is not the matter of different skins in svn - it is a matter of horrible inconsistent parsing wpsbuild.pl perform. |
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| 08:55:57 | PurlingNayuki | Should I change LANG_SYSFONT_EQUALIZER_MODE to LANG_UIFONT_EQUALIZER_MODE |
| 08:56:00 | PurlingNayuki | ? |
| 08:57:15 | ruckus_ | PurlingNayuki: should i format the drive with itunes, or the command line? |
| 08:57:36 | PurlingNayuki | Just format it into FAT32, I guess. |
| 08:57:51 | ruckus_ | because i got win7 |
| 08:57:55 | PurlingNayuki | Rockbox only support FAT32. |
| 08:58:13 | ruckus_ | i am not too confident formating anything with the command line, and the gui won't let me pick fat32 |
| 08:58:45 | ruckus_ | the formatting gui that comes with win7 |
| 08:58:57 | ruckus_ | so does anyone know what command should i use ? |
| 08:58:59 | PurlingNayuki | So you can format it in explorer. |
| 08:59:23 | ruckus_ | i can, but not in fat32. it's only ntfs and exfat |
| 08:59:49 | PurlingNayuki | Try to use some tools like Partition Manager. |
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| 09:00:08 | ruckus_ | do you mean to say that itunes won't do the job ? |
| 09:00:26 | PurlingNayuki | No. |
| 09:00:38 | PurlingNayuki | But I never use itunes. |
| 09:00:48 | ruckus_ | ahh |
| 09:00:51 | Bagder | use whatever you want, but select fat32 =) |
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| 09:01:06 | PurlingNayuki | That's true. |
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| 09:02:40 | PurlingNayuki | Is there anyone know how to change font in EQ screen? |
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| 09:08:04 | S_a_i_n_t | EQ Screen can only use Userfont |
| 09:08:12 | S_a_i_n_t | or sysfont. |
| 09:08:52 | phizz | anyone know if the new house came on tonight? |
| 09:09:38 | PurlingNayuki | S_a_i_n_t: Then how to make it use userfont? |
| 09:10:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Don't load a sysfont. |
| 09:10:23 | S_a_i_n_t | I mean, "don;t laod a userfont". |
| 09:10:25 | S_a_i_n_t | sorry. |
| 09:10:41 | S_a_i_n_t | *"don't load a userfont" |
| 09:11:10 | PurlingNayuki | Must I change the source code? |
| 09:11:34 | S_a_i_n_t | There's no tage to differentiate the EQ screen from any other, so a custom font can't be loaded conditionally for this screen. |
| 09:11:41 | S_a_i_n_t | s/tage/tag/ |
| 09:12:23 | S_a_i_n_t | If a user font is loaded, the EQ screen will use this...if not, sysfont will be used. |
| 09:14:11 | PurlingNayuki | No, I don't mean this. |
| 09:15:42 | PurlingNayuki | I mean, though I select my own font, when I try to use graphical EQ settings the font is still the built-in one. |
| 09:15:51 | PurlingNayuki | How to change it? |
| 09:20:10 | S_a_i_n_t | It should be using the userfont if one is selcted...if it isn't, I have no idea why. |
| 09:22:03 | TheSeven | wodz: how can you tell that? |
| 09:22:22 | PurlingNayuki | I saw this in source code: LANG_SYSFONT_EQUALIZER_MODE |
| 09:22:24 | PurlingNayuki | Can I change it into LANG_UIFONT_EQUALIZER_MODE |
| 09:22:26 | PurlingNayuki | ? |
| 09:22:27 | TheSeven | if it works on uhci that can also have ipod-side timing or error handling problems as a cause |
| 09:24:28 | wodz | TheSeven: Unbinding ehci_hcd which effectively means falling back to uhci makes ipod work. And the problem showed up after upgrading my laptop from previous LTS ubutnu to current one |
| 09:24:49 | TheSeven | ok, so you say older ehci versions work as well? |
| 09:25:00 | TheSeven | now why doesn't this happen for all those thumbdrives then? |
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| 09:27:25 | wodz | TheSeven: it happens for some although the issue is not that widespread |
| 09:27:46 | ruckus_ | okay guys |
| 09:27:55 | ruckus_ | i found a way to format my drive in fat32 |
| 09:28:16 | ruckus_ | does anyone know what should be my allocation unit size ? |
| 09:28:24 | TheSeven | wodz: is there a kernel bug item for that? |
| 09:28:36 | ruckus_ | my drive is 120gb btw |
| 09:29:14 | JdGordon| | Zagor: hey, when you get a few min can you look at my wiki account please? I cant login with my password and cant reset because no email or soemthing |
| 09:29:33 | wodz | TheSeven: I couldn't find one. There are a few entries in bugtrackers of major distributions but this are left unanswered mostly |
| 09:29:51 | PurlingNayuki | ruckus_: Just use the default size. |
| 09:30:04 | ruckus_ | it's not giving me that option |
| 09:31:31 | sideral | Saint, gevaerts, Torne: With the unmount-sync patch, my experience is much more stable now. But last night I had a strange case of FS corruption again, so the solution may not be complete :( |
| 09:31:50 | TheSeven | ruckus_: you can basically use anything, and what the optimum value is depends on what you plan to do with the file system |
| 09:31:56 | S_a_i_n_t | Gah...same here. |
| 09:32:00 | S_a_i_n_t | sideral: ^ |
| 09:32:19 | S_a_i_n_t | All seemed to be going well, then the FS all of a sudden TRASHED itself on an un-mount. |
| 09:32:20 | TheSeven | file sizes will basically be rounded up to the next allocation size boundary, and thus low allocation sizes waste some space on the disk |
| 09:32:48 | TheSeven | however, each allocation unit needs 4 bytes in the FAT (and another 4 in the backup FAT if present) |
| 09:32:52 | S_a_i_n_t | the solution we're running definitely helps, but, doesn't seem to be quite complete. |
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| 09:33:21 | TheSeven | so too small allocation sizes waste space as well, and increase the time needed to mount the volume, and slightly decrease the sequential access speed |
| 09:33:30 | S_a_i_n_t | the Color got a goot 8 hours playback today, with multiple mounts/unmounts...it *was* fine, until it suddenly wasn't. |
| 09:33:37 | S_a_i_n_t | s/goot/got/ |
| 09:33:37 | ruckus_ | TheSeven: ok, and what about too large ? |
| 09:34:15 | TheSeven | so if you have a rather low number of files, and most of them are rather large, use a large allocation size, while if you have several thousands of tiny files, use small allocation sizes |
| 09:34:32 | TheSeven | also there is a limit of IIRC 256M allocation units |
| 09:34:52 | ruckus_ | ok, what do you mean by tiny and large |
| 09:34:54 | ruckus_ | ? |
| 09:35:09 | TheSeven | ruckus_: "too" large means faster accesses/mounts, but wasted space for small files |
| 09:35:10 | sideral | Saint: The strangeness I experienced was that after umounting the FS, fsck saw lots of errors (FATs don't match, "cluster chain length is 0 bytes. Truncating file to 0 bytes." and "FOO and BAR share clusters."), but after a disconnect / reconnect the errors were mostly gone (only the free-block summary info was wrong) |
| 09:35:31 | TheSeven | if your allocation size is 32KB (the maximum supported by fat32), each and every a-few-bytes file will need 32KB on the disk |
| 09:36:02 | sideral | looks like Rockbox managed to flush some write buffers only after the reconnect |
| 09:36:10 | S_a_i_n_t | sideral: My FS was just.....trashed, for lack of a batter word. |
| 09:36:12 | TheSeven | that's the major drawback of large allocation units |
| 09:36:21 | S_a_i_n_t | *better |
| 09:36:34 | ruckus_ | well most of my library is V0 mp3s |
| 09:36:36 | S_a_i_n_t | a few thousand corrupt files immediately after unmounting. |
| 09:36:42 | TheSeven | on the other hand my ipod classic 80GB with 4KB allocation units takes more than 10 seconds to mount on windows even though there is no backup fat present |
| 09:37:14 | TheSeven | (because it reads the whole 80MB-sized FAT to RAM) |
| 09:38:10 | ruckus_ | TheSeven: ok. so what would you use for for a large V0 mp3 library ? |
| 09:38:41 | TheSeven | probably the maximum possible (32K) |
| 09:38:45 | sideral | Saint: To verify my theory, next time you see a trashed FS, can you try to disconnect and reconnect the device without fixing the FS and without rebooting Rockbox? |
| 09:38:58 | ruckus_ | TheSeven: 32768 ? |
| 09:39:03 | TheSeven | yep |
| 09:39:14 | ruckus_ | there's one more after that over here |
| 09:39:41 | ruckus_ | 65536 |
| 09:39:57 | TheSeven | i think the fat spec states that (while it's technically possible) cluster sizes bigger than 32K are not allowed |
| 09:40:08 | TheSeven | so while windows can probably handle it nevertheless, there might be tools that can't |
| 09:40:17 | ruckus_ | ok. fair enough |
| 09:41:07 | ruckus_ | TheSeven: would a quickformat do the job? or should i do a full format ? |
| 09:41:48 | S_a_i_n_t | sideral: Yes, I cam try that. |
| 09:41:52 | S_a_i_n_t | *can |
| 09:42:13 | TheSeven | ruckus_: if you expect your drive to have bad sectors, do a full format |
| 09:42:19 | S_a_i_n_t | sideral: Do you have any further idea why this may be happening? (I'm a themer, more than a coder ;)) |
| 09:42:24 | TheSeven | otherwise a quick format should be sufficient |
| 09:42:33 | TheSeven | (a full format would probably take several hours) |
| 09:43:00 | ruckus_ | that's right. i'm not sure what to expect, so i'll leave it as it is |
| 09:43:02 | sideral | Saint: Not yet :( |
| 09:43:07 | ruckus_ | full format |
| 09:43:32 | ruckus_ | i wish i was more awake so i can actually comprehend what you were explaining |
| 09:43:34 | ruckus_ | anyway, thank you |
| 09:43:53 | ruckus_ | :) |
| 09:44:09 | S_a_i_n_t | sideral: Is it possible that file handles are leaking? |
| 09:44:52 | sideral | Saint: I don't think so. The file handles are reset hard in disk_unmount_all |
| 09:45:27 | S_a_i_n_t | (we'll, supposed to be ;)) Just a quess...I'm pretty in the dark here in this area of the code. |
| 09:46:02 | * | wodz enjoys music from his rockboxed nano2g after working around stupid bug with linux ehci_hcd |
| 09:46:37 | * | S_a_i_n_t was not aware wodz *had* a Nano2G |
| 09:46:44 | wodz | now I have to craft smart udev rule |
| 09:46:51 | S_a_i_n_t | I would have hassled you more to test iLike Nano if I did ;) |
| 09:47:14 | wodz | S_a_i_n_t: You have memory leak - you offered me lcd replacement a few days ago |
| 09:47:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Hahah!...yes, seems about right. |
| 09:49:27 | wodz | it's nice player the only thing which I dislike is how hard is to use hold switch |
| 09:49:50 | S_a_i_n_t | this is correct. |
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| 09:50:04 | S_a_i_n_t | especially if the player has been opened, it never is quite the same afterward. |
| 09:50:08 | S_a_i_n_t | it's cheap plastic. |
| 09:50:38 | wodz | it behaves about the same as was before I opened it |
| 09:51:50 | * | wodz needs some nice box for his rockboxed players - the box of rockbox :P |
| 09:52:46 | * | JdGordon| cant figure out the theme editor code :/ |
| 09:53:26 | wodz | JdGordon|: there is some description on the wiki how themeeditor is designed |
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| 09:54:37 | PurlingNayuki | How can you do this: * wodz needs some nice box for his rockboxed players - the box of rockbox |
| 09:54:39 | PurlingNayuki | ? |
| 09:55:01 | Bagder | PurlingNayuki: start the line you write with /me |
| 09:55:10 | Bagder | /me says so |
| 09:55:19 | S_a_i_n_t | FAIL! :) |
| 09:55:42 | Bagder | no, that line started with /me ! =) |
| 09:55:46 | S_a_i_n_t | ...oh, right...demonstration...aha. |
| 09:55:49 | * | PurlingNayuki understand what Bagder said and try to use it. |
| 09:55:51 | Bagder | (notice the extra space :-) |
| 09:55:56 | S_a_i_n_t | indeed. |
| 09:57:50 | * | PurlingNayuki is confused with adding a item in WPS context menu. |
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| 10:00:35 | S_a_i_n_t | if you grep the code for MAKE_MENU you'll easily be able to see how the menu structure is defined. |
| 10:01:17 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't think of what you would possibly want to add to the context menu that isn't there already though. |
| 10:01:35 | PurlingNayuki | So? I'll try. Thanks. |
| 10:09:25 | PurlingNayuki | S_a_i_n_t: I want to add a menu, when I press it, it starts snclrc. |
| 10:09:59 | S_a_i_n_t | your best bet is looking at how the WPS Hotkey is defined, and adding another option to it. |
| 10:10:25 | S_a_i_n_t | the Hotkey code has been made so it ias reasonably painless to add additional fields. |
| 10:12:41 | PurlingNayuki | Now we can run PictureFlow directly from WPS context menu, can't we? |
| 10:12:51 | S_a_i_n_t | just replicate the code for WPS Pictureflow Hotkey, but change the relevant info to point to lrcviewer instead. |
| 10:12:57 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
| 10:13:09 | PurlingNayuki | I'd like to do something like that. |
| 10:13:20 | S_a_i_n_t | just replicate the code for WPS Pictureflow Hotkey, but change the relevant info to point to lrcviewer instead. |
| 10:15:50 | PurlingNayuki | So, when I try to do this, I'll get 'GO_TO_LYRICS undeclared'. |
| 10:16:48 | JdGordon| | bluebroth3r: ping? |
| 10:17:12 | PurlingNayuki | But however I do, I can't find where the GO_TO_PICTUREFLOW is defined. |
| 10:17:37 | JdGordon| | root_menu.h I tihnk |
| 10:19:16 | JdGordon| | anyone awake who knows qt? |
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| 10:23:37 | JdGordon| | why the hell does the theme editor create the timer and device options screens before a project is opened? |
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| 10:54:48 | sideral | I made a typo in the Summary line of FS #11873. Can anyone with edit powers fix it, please? "hutdown" -> "shutdown" |
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| 10:55:57 | PurlingNayuki | Can't you edit it? |
| 10:56:21 | [Saint] | Obviously not. |
| 10:57:20 | sideral | No, I'm a simple user without edit dignity |
| 10:58:19 | [Saint] | sideral: Just something you noticed, or possibly relevant to our FS issues? |
| 10:58:20 | Torne | Done |
| 10:58:39 | sideral | Thanks Torne! |
| 10:59:11 | sideral | Saint: I just noticed while hunting that bug, but I don't think it's relevant to it |
| 10:59:32 | [Saint] | ah. |
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| 11:00:56 | sideral | I still don't understand what the shutdown code does to clean up the filesystem. Apparently nothing beyond sending a disk spindown event, politely asking all subsystems to commit their dirty data? |
| 11:01:41 | [Saint] | I'm not sure how politely it asks ;) |
| 11:02:12 | TheSeven | apparently too politely... |
| 11:03:50 | Torne | you are aware that the shutdown is kinda done in two almost-entirely-unconnected places, yes? |
| 11:03:53 | sideral | TheSeven: Possibly politely enough: The FS seems to be clean after shutdown, but not when entering USB slave mode |
| 11:04:06 | Torne | The app/ui level shutdown code is pretty disconnected from the actual firmware level poweroff |
| 11:04:20 | Torne | and the latter is queued on a timeout at the start of the shutdown process |
| 11:04:33 | Torne | so if the app code takes more than, er, 40 seconds i think? then the device gets hard powered off |
| 11:04:59 | * | TheSeven occasionally sees his ipods hit that timeout |
| 11:05:09 | sideral | Torne: I saw that, yes. But I think the stuff done after the timeout is not concerned with any state flushing, it just switches off the device hard, right? |
| 11:05:44 | Torne | Not entirely hard |
| 11:05:55 | Torne | It's not going to be flushing the fat buffers ro anything, no |
| 11:06:07 | Torne | but it does still turn the *hardware* off in a fairly controlled and clean way |
| 11:06:13 | Torne | rather than just cutting the power |
| 11:06:24 | Torne | it should still shut down the lcd and so on |
| 11:06:52 | TheSeven | hm, i did some fixes some months ago that makes sure that all file handles are closed when entering usb mode |
| 11:07:18 | TheSeven | so the problem is that there are still dirty fat sectors in the cache? |
| 11:07:27 | TheSeven | sounds like a pretty trivial fix to me... |
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| 11:08:01 | TheSeven | but i think disk_unmount should be called in that case, and that should make sure the cache is flushed |
| 11:08:51 | sideral | TheSeven: Saint and I are testing a patch that does the FAT flushing. It helps, but doesn't seem to be complete |
| 11:09:13 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: did you see the mute patch earlier? |
| 11:09:36 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: No, I didn't...any chance of committing it? Or is it already? |
| 11:09:45 | [Saint] | I don't think it's entirely useless in SVN |
| 11:09:53 | JdGordon| | It needs a teency bit of discussion i think |
| 11:10:17 | JdGordon| | and testing... |
| 11:10:22 | sideral | TheSeven: It's this patch: http://pastebin.com/NjjTtsq8 |
| 11:10:44 | [Saint] | Well, I can't test it without an .apk which I can't build for at least 3 days or so. |
| 11:10:48 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: ^ |
| 11:10:57 | [Saint] | But, I'll be happy to then. |
| 11:11:07 | [Saint] | As for discussion...I'm easy. |
| 11:11:36 | sideral | TheSeven: It calls fat_unmount(flush=true) for each volume before entering USB mode |
| 11:12:02 | sideral | TheSeven: The problem is we still see occasional FS inconsistency |
| 11:13:17 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: What is it about said patch that needs discussion? |
| 11:13:27 | sideral | BTW, there was a call to disk_unmount, but as disk_unmount doesn't flush buffers, this patch replaces it. |
| 11:13:28 | JdGordon| | if its wanted mostly |
| 11:13:31 | gevaerts | sideral: you're using resume points I assume? |
| 11:14:05 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Well...on a device like a smartphone...I'd like to be able to mute it from the wps/sbs without pulling the phones...personally. |
| 11:14:12 | [Saint] | I can't see why anyone wouldn't. |
| 11:14:48 | JdGordon| | wouldnt pause make more sense though? |
| 11:14:56 | sideral | gevaerts: Yes, I do. And with playback stats. So there's likely a fair amount of disk traffic before entering USB mode. |
| 11:15:26 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: I think both have their merits. |
| 11:15:29 | TheSeven | sideral: er, shouldn't that code maybe go into disk_unmount(volume) instead? |
| 11:16:36 | sideral | disk_unmount currently only is for removing a volume hard after is has been ejected, so it assumes it cannot write to the volume any longer. But yes, we can refactor the code once we got it to work |
| 11:17:22 | gevaerts | TheSeven: the problem is that callers of disk_unmount(volume) want fat_unmount(flush=false), because they respond to card eject, so flush won't work |
| 11:17:39 | TheSeven | so the old code was actually assuming that the media wasn't accessible any more? |
| 11:17:47 | sideral | correct |
| 11:17:52 | TheSeven | urgh |
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| 11:20:19 | sideral | Now I'm wondering about two things: What is it that we don't flush before entering USB mode, and why is it flushed when powering off? |
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| 11:21:43 | TheSeven | so on shutdown unmounting was previously handled like it is handled now for usb? |
| 11:22:14 | sideral | I can't seem to find any code related to unmounting in the shutdown code |
| 11:22:42 | TheSeven | sideral: sounds like you want to do a breakpoint on usb connect, get a memory dump and look at the FAT buffers :) |
| 11:22:44 | sideral | Looks like it purely relies on all recipients of the disk-spindown event to flush their stuff |
| 11:23:42 | sideral | Yeah. I was fantasizing about adding gcc-remote-debugging support via serial over USB... |
| 11:25:07 | JdGordon| | mute works.... unmute doesnt |
| 11:25:54 | [Saint] | Aaaaaawwww crap :/ |
| 11:27:23 | TheSeven | sideral: the nano2g can actually do that |
| 11:27:50 | TheSeven | just call post_moretem_stub() somewhere, and it will freeze and allow you to download a RAM dump via USB |
| 11:28:06 | TheSeven | post_mortem_stub()* |
| 11:28:33 | sideral | =-Owow. Not exactly gcc remote debugging, but sounds useful... |
| 11:29:11 | TheSeven | Farthen is working on a gdb stub for the embios kernel, but it isn't as easy as expected :/ |
| 11:31:07 | * | TheSeven runs off... |
| 11:31:13 | TheSeven | i'll be back in an hour or so |
| 11:33:36 | JdGordon| | hehe im an idiot |
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| 11:39:51 | TheSeven|Mobile | to download the dump you'll need rbpms.py. i have no idea whether this was committed to svn or only attached to the flyspray task |
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| 11:49:14 | wodz | gevaerts: I am cleaning my desk now and I found my BDM pod - are you interested in it? |
| 11:49:34 | wodz | or you decided to buy another? |
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| 11:51:05 | gevaerts | LinusN: what sort of hardware skills are required to use BDM things on irivers? |
| 11:52:00 | n1s | gevaerts: maybe you can borrow any player with the bdm connector soldered that LinusN has (if he still has any) |
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| 11:52:11 | n1s | ah, bad timing |
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| 11:52:48 | * | gevaerts accuses LinusN of trying to hide :) |
| 11:53:47 | LinusN | gevaerts: mostly soldering of tiny SMD:s |
| 11:53:47 | Bagder | but failing so! |
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| 11:54:02 | gevaerts | wodz: I'm going to say I'm interested, and then I'll figure out how to get the soldering done |
| 11:54:13 | wodz | LinusN: but is there an unpopulated connector or you have to solder into test pads ? |
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| 11:54:21 | LinusN | and the ability to swear and curse when you try to build the bdm gdb tools :-) |
| 11:54:34 | gevaerts | Oh, but that's software! That's *easy*! |
| 11:54:53 | Bagder | I believe the correct term is "just software" :-) |
| 11:55:04 | gevaerts | Ah, yes :) |
| 11:55:30 | wodz | I build software for bdm quite recently and it was rather easy |
| 11:55:45 | JdGordon| | AlexP: pixelma: ping? |
| 11:56:15 | LinusN | i remember it as fairly painless, but it was a while |
| 11:56:42 | CIA-7 | New commit by jdgordon (r29046): New Touchscreen region type... 'mute' which un/mutes volume without pausing playback |
| 11:57:06 | LinusN | i have planned a nice bdm revival session this weekend |
| 11:57:22 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: is it just mute/&mute ? |
| 11:57:36 | LinusN | so i guess i'll have a go at documenting it in the wiki |
| 11:57:54 | wodz | LinusN: I believe you worked before m68k-bdm server era |
| 11:58:03 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: yes |
| 11:58:06 | LinusN | wodz: that's correct |
| 11:58:16 | JdGordon| | you are now required to add it to all touch cabbies :D |
| 11:58:18 | [Saint] | and, thanks heaps btw...it's not often you pounce so quickly on my suggestions. Just want you to know I appreciate it when you do. ;) |
| 11:58:25 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: ^ |
| 11:58:55 | LinusN | the problem nowadays is finding a computer with a parallel port :-( |
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| 11:59:09 | wodz | LinusN: I have usb bdm pod |
| 11:59:28 | LinusN | wodz: i never managed to make my usb pod work :-( |
| 11:59:29 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Well...as I said, I'm *hoping* to be able to do this one well enough to get it into SVN...it's 240x320...I have to have the liberty of coding for a target I own first :P |
| 11:59:44 | LinusN | wodz: which pod is it? |
| 11:59:52 | wodz | LinusN: tblcf |
| 11:59:59 | LinusN | wodz: oh... :-) |
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| 12:00:19 | * | sideral notices Rockbox already has a USB serial controller mode |
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| 12:00:39 | LinusN | wodz: perhaps i should have another go at it... |
| 12:00:55 | CIA-7 | r29046 build result: All green |
| 12:01:25 | wodz | LinusN: did you managed to flash firmware onto MCU of the pod? This was the hardest part as linux tools are broken for that |
| 12:01:43 | LinusN | wodz: i believe i did |
| 12:01:57 | wodz | so the rest is simple :-) |
| 12:03:05 | LinusN | as far as i can remember, it broke somehow, possibly because i failed to connect the pod correctly to the target |
| 12:03:49 | wodz | I patched m68k-bdm to bypass check of MCU type and specify it from commandline as I wasn't able to craft rule for autodiscovery for 5249 |
| 12:04:56 | AlexP | JdGordon|: Yo |
| 12:05:09 | LinusN | wodz: hmmm, it's coming back to me now |
| 12:05:39 | LinusN | i seem to remember that i had problem woth just that... maybe it wasn't broken after all |
| 12:05:50 | LinusN | care to share the patch? |
| 12:05:57 | JdGordon| | AlexP: is http://pastebin.com/rQSiQ7cz OK? I just noticed these regions are missing |
| 12:06:05 | wodz | LinusN: yes, I'll have to dig a bit |
| 12:06:10 | LinusN | thx |
| 12:06:45 | * | wodz hates cleaning his desk |
| 12:08:09 | JdGordon| | AlexP: and the line "\config{\%T(x,y,width,\tabnlindentheight,action)}"... why is the \tabnlindent needed? |
| 12:08:15 | AlexP | JdGordon|: The patch looks fine - I'm not sure I understand the description, but that may just be as I'm not familar with touchscreen tags |
| 12:08:20 | JdGordon| | the manual has []'s around width and height which is wrong |
| 12:09:08 | JdGordon| | AlexP: %T(0,0,10,10,setting_inc,volume) will create a region which increments the volume when it is pressed |
| 12:09:35 | AlexP | JdGordon|: I think the tabnlindent bit is needed to make the line break but remain in the same table cell |
| 12:10:03 | JdGordon| | will it work like that or does it need a space? |
| 12:10:15 | JdGordon| | or shall i just FS this and leave it for osmeone else? :D |
| 12:10:29 | AlexP | I'm not sure, I'd have to test |
| 12:10:57 | AlexP | I'm happy to play with it :) |
| 12:11:09 | AlexP | I didn't get round to the other one last night, but tonight! |
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| 12:12:37 | AlexP | JdGordon|: OK, I see what that means now - I didn't immediately twig that setting_inc referred to volume |
| 12:12:58 | AlexP | JdGordon|: Oh, and the example for setting8dec has a typo |
| 12:13:06 | AlexP | JdGordon|: It should be setting8dec |
| 12:13:42 | AlexP | JdGordon|: Maybe just add something like "e.g \config{%T(0,0, setting_inc, volume)} will increase the volume by one step) |
| 12:14:17 | AlexP | *setting_dec of course :) |
| 12:14:17 | JdGordon| | I'm putting it on FS :) |
| 12:14:21 | AlexP | OK :) |
| 12:15:39 | JdGordon| | FS #11874 :) |
| 12:15:43 | AlexP | coo |
| 12:15:45 | AlexP | l |
| 12:16:02 | AlexP | I'll definatley try to attempt to maybe look at it tonight :) |
| 12:16:40 | JdGordon| | doesnt worry me... I never read the manual :D |
| 12:19:26 | preglow | booltoader \o/ |
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| 12:29:34 | wodz | preglow: rather cryptic hurray :-) |
| 12:42:10 | wodz | LinusN: http://www.pastie.org/1455841 <- here is the patch for m68k-bdm |
| 12:43:50 | LinusN | wodz: thanks a bunch! |
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| 12:43:54 | newClipUser | hello |
| 12:44:55 | wodz | LinusN: I used such gdb script to debug bootloader on MPIO: http://www.pastie.org/1455853 |
| 12:45:27 | newClipUser | I have kind of bricked my sansa clip+ due to a power failure. now the FAT is corrupted. Any suggestion how to recover my data? |
| 12:46:00 | wodz | LinusN: and finally udev rule for tblcf: http://www.pastie.org/1455855 |
| 12:47:18 | wodz | LinusN: I used gdb 7.0.1 + m68k-bdm-1.4-pre4 patched |
| 12:47:38 | LinusN | wodz: thanks a lot |
| 12:47:46 | wodz | hope this helps |
| 12:48:39 | wodz | the patch is 'alpha' quality as I failed to craft some smart autodiscovery for the part - that's why I introduced bypass method |
| 12:49:07 | LinusN | maybe i can have a go at it |
| 12:49:10 | newClipUser | anyone here has experience in data recovering from corrupted FAT file system? |
| 12:50:13 | LinusN | newClipUser: try pc inspector (http://www.pcinspector.de/) |
| 12:50:36 | * | Torne has had good results with getdataback from runtime software but it's not free |
| 12:50:49 | LinusN | Torne: me too, i have a license |
| 12:51:23 | newClipUser | @LinusN: thanks, would it only help me to format or also recover my lost data? |
| 12:52:00 | LinusN | newClipUser: pure recovery |
| 12:52:08 | newClipUser | oh, its german, are you german? |
| 12:52:13 | LinusN | nope, swedish |
| 12:52:27 | LinusN | you can select language in the top right corner |
| 12:52:41 | newClipUser | no problem, because I do speak german :) |
| 12:52:47 | LinusN | oh :-) |
| 12:53:52 | newClipUser | and you are the starter of the rockbox project, right? |
| 12:54:00 | newClipUser | I really like it, thanks :) |
| 12:54:18 | LinusN | newClipUser: yes, i am one of the project founders |
| 12:54:56 | LinusN | although i am not in the loop nowadays |
| 12:56:57 | CIA-7 | New commit by rmenes (r29047): SA9200: Modify pacbox keymap a slight bit to avoid bunching ... |
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| 13:00:27 | CIA-7 | r29047 build result: All green |
| 13:10:27 | [Saint] | In the loop or no, you still deserve thanks where it's due LinusN ;) |
| 13:10:43 | [Saint] | Many, many people should be pretty bloody proud of themselves. |
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| 13:24:44 | Torne | do we have any docs anywhere on how to actually use bloat-o-meter/objdiff from utils? |
| 13:27:22 | n1s | Torne: i was just about to try that bloat o meter thingy, iirc i used it once before, i think you just pass it two elf files |
| 13:27:59 | JdGordon| | yep |
| 13:38:45 | n1s | yes, just bloat-o-meter old.elf new.elf and it prints size per function and diff for the whole elf |
| 13:39:36 | n1s | a lot of diffs in inlining between toolchains so not terribly usefull for me |
| 13:41:24 | n1s | i mean the 8 functions that grew the most according to this don't exist at all in the old elf |
| 13:46:52 | n1s | and similarly a bunch of functions present in the old elf aren't in the new one |
| 13:53:23 | Zagor | you mean we actually changed things? ;-) |
| 13:54:03 | n1s | yes! |
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| 13:57:33 | n1s | for the x5 the mayor size diff seems to cone from lcd_enable which probably means it just inlines less there since that function is just calling a few other functions |
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| 14:00:23 | n1s | perhaps i should double check some of this inlining |
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| 14:04:26 | n1s | oh, yes not much is inlined anymore |
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| 14:04:45 | n1s | warning: inlining failed in call to ‘lcd_write_reg’: optimizing for size and code size would grow |
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| 14:05:37 | n1s | should we stop using Os (optmizing for size) or should we start sprinkling some always_inline attributes? |
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| 14:06:01 | [Saint] | lulz...I've introduced the GF to Abduction on the Galaxy 5 |
| 14:06:15 | [Saint] | oops, wrong channel. |
| 14:06:24 | [Saint] | damn, that was embarrasing. :/ |
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| 14:56:27 | wodz | n1s: what's the delta when we build with -O2 instead of -Os? |
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| 15:13:55 | Llorean | Why do we need a "mute without pausing" touchregion? Does any player even have that as a button? |
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| 15:28:36 | Stummi | is it normal that building the database on android (htc desire hd) seems to need a lot of time? |
| 15:29:29 | Torne | yes, it probably traverses the entire FS |
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| 15:35:15 | Stummi | hm, can i tell rockbox to not search on the entire FS at buildung database but on a specific folder? |
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| 15:35:47 | Stummi | recursive |
| 15:36:09 | Torne | i don't think we've sorted that kind of thing out int eh app build yet |
| 15:36:58 | Llorean | But databas.ignore in the root, then database.unignore in the folder? |
| 15:37:05 | Llorean | Or did .unignore never happen? |
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| 15:37:45 | Torne | that doesn't stop it actually traversing the entire FS |
| 15:37:58 | Torne | that just stops it getting metadata/inspecting the files it finds |
| 15:38:40 | Torne | and you can't put a database.ignore in the root unless you have rooted your device since / is neither user writable nor even mounted writable at all by default |
| 15:39:00 | Llorean | Ah, it probably shouldn't traverse anywhere the user can't have written to, at the very least. |
| 15:39:27 | * | Torne is only repeating what he's heard other people say, btw; don't know for sure :) |
| 15:39:36 | Torne | well, about our lack of ability to control it, that is |
| 15:39:44 | Torne | not being able to write to the root on android is right :) |
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| 15:40:51 | Stummi | maybe there could added an option, on which folder the indexing should start for RaaA |
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| 15:47:12 | BaDeD | hi |
| 15:47:40 | BaDeD | I need help |
| 15:48:10 | BaDeD | I have sansa clip and i need voice in spanish |
| 15:48:35 | BaDeD | anybody help me? |
| 15:48:42 | Torne | the installer will install any voice file you want |
| 15:49:16 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
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| 15:49:41 | BaDeD | I have not file in spanish |
| 15:50:20 | Torne | the installer can generate them |
| 15:51:29 | Torne | we only have english voice files for download unfortunately as generating every possible language would be too large |
| 15:51:37 | Torne | but you can generate it yourself using the rockbox utility |
| 15:52:37 | BaDeD | manual can generate? |
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| 15:53:45 | BaDeD | i have error in TTS |
| 15:54:47 | Stummi | BaDeD, here, just for you ;) stummi.org/espanol.voice">http://files.stummi.org/espanol.voice |
| 15:56:38 | Stummi | (hope that works |
| 15:57:20 | BaDeD | thank you stummi |
| 15:59:08 | BaDeD | i have not installate stummi |
| 15:59:15 | BaDeD | you help me? |
| 15:59:29 | Stummi | hm? What do you mean? |
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| 16:00:29 | Torne | just copy the file onto your player in the folder .rockbox\langs |
| 16:00:39 | Torne | next to espanol.lang |
| 16:01:46 | BaDeD | ok |
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| 16:13:16 | BaDeD | i have not listen the menu |
| 16:14:19 | pixelma | Stummi: did you make the voice for a Clip? |
| 16:14:27 | Stummi | yes |
| 16:14:31 | BaDeD | no |
| 16:14:50 | Stummi | BaDeD, do you have a clip or clip+? |
| 16:15:40 | BaDeD | clip+ |
| 16:16:01 | Stummi | ok, thats may the problem. I made it for the clip ;) |
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| 16:16:37 | BaDeD | clip+ no voice |
| 16:16:40 | BaDeD | ? |
| 16:17:12 | Stummi | for each language and device there is a voice-file |
| 16:17:20 | BaDeD | ahhh ok |
| 16:17:31 | Stummi | moment |
| 16:19:35 | BaDeD | ok |
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| 16:21:32 | sideral | Saint, TheSeven, gevaerts: Re FS corruption: I've verified there there are still at least 2 files and 2 dirs open when entering USB mode during playback. But even when closing all files before fat_unmount(flush=true), I can still reproduce FS corruption. The strange thing is that often disconnecting/reconnecting the player makes (most of) the corruption go away. Which buffer may I have forgotten to flush? dircache and dir_uncached don't seem to cac |
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| 16:22:22 | gevaerts | sideral: maybe one of the file operations fails to check for file open? |
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| 16:23:50 | sideral | gevaerts: Good idea... But that would explain corruption after returning from USB mode, not before entering it, no? |
| 16:24:40 | gevaerts | I don't know |
| 16:24:55 | sideral | ftruncate is one such candidate |
| 16:25:26 | gevaerts | If we have code that doesn't properly close files on USB connect, it might also continue doing things while USB is connected, or after, and do lots of weird things |
| 16:25:33 | n1s | wodz: -o is about 30k larger than -Os i can try -O2 too |
| 16:26:16 | gevaerts | sideral: maybe time to add some logf() debugging to file.c, and disk.c, and check what actually happens? |
| 16:27:16 | n1s | wodz: -O2 is about 78k larger than -Os |
| 16:27:23 | sideral | gevaerts: yeah. I suspect the playlist-control file is one of the files that remain open, as I've seen it corrupted several times |
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| 16:31:42 | wodz | n1s: hmm that is about 20% larger so we should probably stick to -Os and force inlines for what we need |
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| 16:34:22 | n1s | yeah, very little code in the core is speed critical so it makes sense but is ugly :/ |
| 16:34:47 | wodz | n1s: does rockboxdev.sh from svn builds new gcc for CF? |
| 16:35:01 | n1s | yes |
| 16:35:51 | n1s | -Winline is very useful for this if you want to look at it |
| 16:36:16 | n1s | it prints a warning whenever a call to an inline function isn't inlined and why |
| 16:36:23 | wodz | but does it substitute the previous one or you can build both (as for arm)? |
| 16:37:42 | n1s | if you want to have both available it's probably best to use a different prefix so it gets its own dir but they should be able to coexist, the old binutils will be overwritten though |
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| 16:39:03 | n1s | and the default m68k-elf-gcc but there's a m68k-elf-gcc-3.4.6 still there with all its multilibs and stuff still available |
| 16:39:31 | Zagor | you can safely compile the new over the old |
| 16:39:45 | Zagor | that's what I have |
| 16:39:57 | n1s | but does the old one still work? |
| 16:40:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:40:12 | n1s | cool |
| 16:40:29 | Zagor | or, I haven't done much testing. but it runs at least. |
| 16:40:49 | gevaerts | Making the build system actually use it might be fun though |
| 16:41:37 | n1s | is anyone against defining a macro such as: #define INLINE inline __attribute__((always_inline)) ? |
| 16:41:50 | n1s | and sprinkling that liberally? |
| 16:42:04 | Bagder | if it helps, I'm in |
| 16:42:40 | sideral | gevaerts: The funny thing is the disappearing corruption when rebooting to the OF. It's as if RB's storage layer returns outdated data that isn't actually on the disk |
| 16:43:04 | gevaerts | oh, that's interesting too... |
| 16:43:38 | gevaerts | Not that I could guess how that would happen |
| 16:44:40 | sideral | I know that the Clip's OF fiddles around with the disk before exposing it to hide the ##MUSIC and ##PORT directories, but I doubt that it would go as far as repairing the FS during bootup :) |
| 16:44:53 | Torne | n1s: only if you call it PRETTY_PLEASE_INLINE |
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| 16:46:12 | n1s | Torne: should there be a smiley after that or are you serious? |
| 16:46:31 | n1s | oh, nevermind |
| 16:46:49 | n1s | i asked if people were against it |
| 16:48:40 | n1s | i'll cook something up |
| 16:49:22 | Torne | Okay, to be really serious: yes, add such a thing, but I would prefer it wasn't called INLINE |
| 16:49:38 | Torne | because it's fairly common for INLINE to expand to regular inline or nothing, according to compiler/config/etc |
| 16:49:41 | Zagor | maybe FORCE_INLINE |
| 16:49:51 | Torne | Yeah, FORCE_INLINE i like |
| 16:49:56 | n1s | ok |
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| 16:54:28 | delt | Hello everyone |
| 16:55:16 | delt | question about sandisk e200: what device is the microSD slot on the pc? |
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| 16:56:02 | n1s | delt: depends on your OS etc |
| 16:56:35 | delt | kernel sees both sda1 and sda2 even when there's no card.... can mount sda1 (internal 4gb) but sda2 can't find valid vfat (seems to be formatted) |
| 16:57:03 | n1s | that's the firmware partition |
| 16:57:07 | delt | and i don't want to risk scrapping the original firmware by doing "mkdosfs /dev/sda2" |
| 16:57:09 | gevaerts | Those are both partitions on the internal flash |
| 16:57:10 | Torne | sda is the internal drive |
| 16:57:18 | delt | oh, tha's what i thought |
| 16:57:19 | n1s | the sd card is a different device |
| 16:57:20 | Torne | the slot will be sdb, probably |
| 16:57:31 | Torne | if the internal storage is sda :) |
| 16:57:54 | delt | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 16:58:05 | gevaerts | is it partitioned? |
| 16:58:10 | gevaerts | Does /dev/sdb exist? |
| 16:58:15 | n1s | is there a card inserted? |
| 16:58:18 | delt | or is the filesystem written directly without a partition table? |
| 16:58:27 | delt | mount: special device /dev/sdb does not exist |
| 16:58:43 | gevaerts | Are you running a self-compiled kernel? |
| 16:58:50 | delt | [pts/9][user@deimos]:~$ ls /dev/sd* |
| 16:58:50 | delt | /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 |
| 16:58:52 | delt | yeah |
| 16:59:09 | n1s | delt: you *do* have a card in the slot, right? |
| 16:59:10 | delt | well, gcc compiled it, not me =) |
| 16:59:12 | gevaerts | You probably have CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=n |
| 16:59:15 | gevaerts | n1s: doesn't matter |
| 16:59:49 | n1s | gevaerts: oh |
| 16:59:57 | gevaerts | Or set the max_report_luns option for sd_mod |
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| 17:00:10 | delt | [pts/9][user@deimos]:~$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN |
| 17:00:10 | delt | # CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set |
| 17:00:37 | gevaerts | n1s: it's not a removable device, it's a removable *media* device. Don't believe what 99.9% of the people are telling you! |
| 17:00:55 | delt | haha |
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| 17:01:07 | delt | so what does CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN do? |
| 17:01:11 | n1s | right, these usb people really knew how to give things clear descriptive names ;) |
| 17:01:49 | gevaerts | It enables scanning multiple LUNS, which you need to use devices with multiple LUNS, such as most card readers, or sansas :) |
| 17:02:06 | delt | ie. how would it be called in the kernel's make *config ? |
| 17:02:29 | delt | *checks LUN on wikipedia* ... |
| 17:02:43 | gevaerts | no idea, but I think searching for CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN (using "/" as the search shortcut key) works in make menuconfig |
| 17:03:13 | delt | yeah it would |
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| 17:04:10 | gevaerts | delt: possibly playing with max_luns and max_report_luns in /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters is enough |
| 17:04:11 | Torne | you don't need the CONFIG_ |
| 17:04:13 | delt | let's see.... ah Prompt: Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device |
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| 17:05:17 | delt | [pts/2][root@deimos]:~# cat /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns |
| 17:05:18 | delt | 1 |
| 17:05:26 | delt | max_report_luns is 511 however |
| 17:05:36 | gevaerts | ok. Set max_luns to 2 or more |
| 17:05:37 | delt | so "echo ....." > the file(s)? |
| 17:05:40 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 17:06:21 | delt | ok, now it says 2 when i cat the file back to the term |
| 17:06:31 | delt | let's remove and replug the player... |
| 17:07:20 | gevaerts | right. In recent-ish kernels (probably years and years...) CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN only sets a different default for max_luns |
| 17:07:46 | delt | ah, now it sees sdb as 7.94gb (8gb card) |
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| 17:08:30 | delt | but weird, kernel says sda: (nothing - usually lists sda1 and sda2 here) |
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| 17:08:49 | delt | /dev/sda1 and sda2 exist tho |
| 17:09:33 | delt | can mount it, seems to work fine etc etc... now let's try the msd card.... i created a directory "Test" on it from the player |
| 17:09:40 | gevaerts | Sometimes the sda1 and sda2 appear on another line. The kernel isn't single-threaded any more |
| 17:10:08 | delt | removed the card and put it back in, "Test/" was stil there, so looks like it's formatted |
| 17:10:21 | delt | here's my "Test" .... |
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| 17:11:54 | delt | seems to be working fine, thanks :D |
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| 17:12:32 | delt | so i guess i'll just add echo "2" > /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns to my startup scripts |
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| 17:13:10 | gevaerts | if scsi_mod is a module, you should add it to the usual place for module parameters |
| 17:13:22 | gevaerts | But that's not really on-topic here... |
| 17:15:56 | delt | oh yeah, it auto-mounted modules sg and usbhid |
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| 17:16:42 | delt | bah, i have a whole section in my rc.local that's "echo stuff > /proc or /sys/whatever" |
| 17:17:57 | delt | anyway thanks a lot for the help! |
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| 17:19:43 | delt | oh just wondering 1 more thing.... if i create a partition table (and multiple partitions) on the SD card, can rockbox still use (probably the first one)? |
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| 17:21:12 | Torne | if you partition it rockbox will probably just use the first one |
| 17:21:24 | * | gevaerts checks |
| 17:21:27 | Torne | you can build rockbox with multi partition support but i suspect that isn't |
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| 17:22:24 | gevaerts | yes |
| 17:22:41 | gevaerts | Well, "the first one" being "the first usable one", i.e. the first FAT partition |
| 17:23:01 | delt | so to be consistent with most other devices, i can create a partition table and just one big fat32 that takes up the whole card.... that would work? |
| 17:23:18 | Torne | yes |
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| 17:23:50 | delt | a filesystem directly on sdb seems to me kind of like the first chapter of a book starting right on the cover |
| 17:24:13 | delt | but that's just me... thanks again |
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| 17:27:27 | BaDeD | hi |
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| 17:27:44 | BaDeD | my sansa clip+ not read my lcd |
| 17:28:05 | sideral | gevaerts: The two remaining open files when entering USB slave mode are the mp3 file being played back and /.rockbox/fonts/08-Rockfont.fnt −− both should be read only, and I see no flushing going on for them. This explains why closing the files does not help with syncing the disk :) |
| 17:30:45 | gevaerts | sideral: the font file being open is interesting |
| 17:31:04 | Torne | the font cache doesn't ever close the UI font, no? |
| 17:31:17 | Torne | we just stop using the UI font, rather than doing font_load(NULL) |
| 17:31:23 | Torne | unless i forget |
| 17:31:36 | gevaerts | I think so |
| 17:32:16 | gevaerts | But if the file is still open, things may well do weird things later on |
| 17:32:44 | Torne | maybe |
| 17:32:53 | sideral | there's lots of other strange stuff going on before and after the USB connection, but nothing looks particularly suspicious. For example: what is /.rockbox/wps/-.sbs ? |
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| 17:33:51 | sideral | and /.rockbox/icons/-.icons ? |
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| 17:34:29 | sideral | and /.rockbox/wps/.rockbox/wps/rockbox_failsafe.fms ? |
| 17:34:29 | gevaerts | sideral: '-' is a common default in settings. Thoseprobably just mean that no sbs or icons file was specified |
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| 17:37:24 | sideral | there's also lots of lseek activity and single-byte writes (which hopefully are cached in the FAT layer? −− I'll look into those later) |
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| 17:46:37 | sideral | Need to run now −− I'll check later whether you guys have had other interesting ideas. Bye |
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| 19:09:42 | CIA-7 | New commit by alex (r29048): Manual: Fix part 1 of FS #11874 - touchscreen region in the manual isn't 100% correct. |
| 19:09:44 | CIA-7 | New commit by alex (r29049): Manual: Fix part 2 of FS #11874 - setting_inc and setting_dec missing from actions list. |
| 19:09:52 | CIA-7 | New commit by alex (r29050): Manual: Fix FS #11872 - %pL/pR aren't in the manual. |
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| 19:14:45 | CIA-7 | r29048 build result: All green |
| 19:15:59 | pixelma | AlexP: doesn't completely have to do with the commit but I noticed something in the diff - above the %pm etc. there is an \nopt{player} - I'd think \opt{lcd_bitmap} is more suitable |
| 19:16:53 | AlexP | pixelma: Could well be - to be honest I have no idea what any of the archos players can and can't do :) |
| 19:17:27 | pixelma | teh Player is the only charcell device |
| 19:18:27 | pixelma | the others have monochrome displays, so are "only" limited by that when looking at the skinning abilities |
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| 19:19:07 | CIA-7 | r29050 build result: All green |
| 19:19:52 | * | wodz is reminded of putting rockbox on his archos studio 20 |
| 19:20:08 | amiconn | pixelma: Regarding peakmeters - the player not having it has nothing to do with bitmap vs. charcell |
| 19:20:37 | amiconn | It's indeed Player specific - the MAS3507D doesn't have a way to read out peak data |
| 19:21:02 | pixelma | there's also a MASD opt from features.txt |
| 19:21:52 | pixelma | or a "masd" feature |
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| 19:22:29 | amiconn | The peakmeters should probably be opted for swcodec and masf |
| 19:23:21 | amiconn | Other potential (unlikely, but still...) hwcodec targets would need special adjustment too (if possible to implement) |
| 19:24:36 | pixelma | that's also possible |
| 19:24:44 | pixelma | to do in the manual |
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| 19:32:50 | * | pixelma is reminded of finishing the target rename in the manual (including general \\opt cleanup) :/ |
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| 19:58:05 | Buschel | n1s: do you have any codec comparisons of old and new gcc on CF? |
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| 20:00:13 | Buschel | (ore better: pre-r29042 vs. post-r29042) |
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| 20:08:45 | pixelma | Buschel: dev-ml http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2010-12/0129.shtml ;) |
| 20:09:21 | Buschel | thanks |
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| 20:33:39 | sideral | gevaerts: Re FS corruption vanishing when player is reconnected or rebooted to OF: What's the chance of this being a DMA/caching problem, where the right data is committed to disk but masked by invalid CPU-cache contents when reread? |
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| 20:52:26 | gevaerts | sideral: sounds unlikely to me |
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| 20:59:39 | YouKay | Hello gentlemen |
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| 21:00:07 | YouKay | I have a Philips GoGear Muse, 8 GB. Can rockbox be installed on it? |
| 21:00:37 | gevaerts | No |
| 21:01:47 | YouKay | gevaerts: I see. Thanks. But can't it be customized in any way to replace the original firmware? (just curious( |
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| 21:03:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhMikeS: Ping |
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| 21:04:26 | gevaerts | YouKay: I'm not aware of anything similar to rockbox out there. There might be some mods specifically for that player around, but nobody here is likely to know about those. You could port rockbox, but that's a lot of work (see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort) |
| 21:06:07 | YouKay | gevaerts: I see. Many thanks for the link, I guess I will give it a shot (although I am not sure how much I can perform). |
| 21:07:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | YouKay: The first thing to do is find out what kind of hardware is inside this GoGear model. |
| 21:09:49 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is having a little trouble getting rbutil to build on OS X |
| 21:12:39 | CIA-7 | New commit by bluebrother (r29051): Make m68k-elf 4.5.2 toolchain build on OS X 10.6. ... |
| 21:13:24 | YouKay | I see. Thanks LambdaCalculus37 and gevaerts |
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| 21:18:20 | CIA-7 | r29051 build result: All green |
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| 21:19:32 | n1s | bluebroth3r: ah, cool |
| 21:20:28 | n1s | didn't realize we needed that workaround, is the −−disable-nls part not needed too? |
| 21:20:47 | bluebroth3r | n1s: no, figured that it's not necessary. |
| 21:21:01 | bluebroth3r | so we could enable nls for arm-eabi as well |
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| 21:21:33 | n1s | missing libiconv or something else? |
| 21:21:48 | bluebroth3r | though I'm not sure if nls is of too much use for a compiler. I'm always annoyed when looking at localized compiler output (it's worse to understand even if it's my native language!) |
| 21:21:59 | n1s | i agree |
| 21:22:13 | gevaerts | If it's for the build system, I'd say we explicitely *don't* want it |
| 21:22:37 | n1s | but since our generated makefiles export LANGUAGE=english i always get English messages anyway |
| 21:23:04 | n1s | which is a leftover from when you could select the default lang but still nice :) |
| 21:23:58 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: build system as in automated build system or in build system for Rockbox? |
| 21:24:09 | gevaerts | automated |
| 21:24:27 | gevaerts | Well, that LANGUAGE=english thing fixes it anyway |
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| 21:25:38 | bluebroth3r | now let's see what's wrong with zezayer |
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| 21:26:39 | bluebroth3r | btw, what do people think about using png images for the sim? When using SDL_image this is pretty easy and makes the background images noticably smaller |
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| 21:26:55 | bluebroth3r | though downloading the bmp files might not be that much of an issue since bmp usually compresses quite nice |
| 21:27:51 | bluebroth3r | so it might not be worth the additional dependency |
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| 21:35:42 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: what about zezayer? |
| 21:35:46 | bluebroth3r | hmm, looks like a filesystem problem on my player that broke zezayer :/ |
| 21:35:57 | bluebroth3r | at least it works fine in the sim. Time for fsck |
| 21:36:47 | pixelma | the amount of filesystem problems reported lately is a bit "scary" |
| 21:37:37 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 21:38:36 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: is this on your Mini or H100? |
| 21:38:45 | bluebroth3r | well, in this case I don |
| 21:38:53 | bluebroth3r | #t consider it a Rockbox issue :) |
| 21:39:19 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: h100, and for some strange reason it disconnected itself from the Mac after I copied the new build onto it |
| 21:40:12 | bluebroth3r | probably just a somewhat broken cable in combination with the keyboard hub I've used (had the impression that this hub is a bit flaky in the past anyway) |
| 21:42:09 | pixelma | interesting that it works at all on it, when I tried (on an older OSX probably) the Mac didn't even recognise my c200 when connected to the keyboard hub |
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| 21:48:40 | gevaerts | I |
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| 21:48:55 | gevaerts | I'd expect most keyboard hubs to only allow 100mA devices |
| 21:49:54 | bluebroth3r | shouldn't be a problem with the h100 since it cannot charge from USB anyway :) |
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| 21:51:09 | gevaerts | Ah, that would probably be the reason for the difference then |
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| 21:52:38 | bluebroth3r | seems I can crash the UI reproducably with that build :o |
| 21:53:44 | n1s | what UI? |
| 21:54:08 | bluebroth3r | h100. Music keeps playing, buttons toggle backlight, but I can't navigate in the file browser anymore |
| 21:54:30 | n1s | weird |
| 21:55:48 | n1s | how do you do it? |
| 21:56:04 | bluebroth3r | let's see if that still happens when I flash rombox |
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| 21:56:41 | bluebroth3r | just use the Stop button |
| 21:56:46 | * | bluebroth3r tries again |
| 21:57:59 | bluebroth3r | crash again |
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| 21:59:37 | bluebroth3r | maybe it's related to the fact that my h100 is rtc modded? |
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| 22:02:01 | n1s | stopping playback works fine on my h300 at least |
| 22:02:31 | n1s | bluebroth3r: are you certain it was introduced at the same time as the compiler switch? |
| 22:02:57 | bluebroth3r | n1s: no, I haven't updated the h100 since like half a year or so |
| 22:03:28 | n1s | ah |
| 22:04:57 | bluebroth3r | now crash when trying to load a file while another one is playing |
| 22:05:42 | bluebroth3r | I guess I need to build with the old gcc and check that |
| 22:05:45 | n1s | could you try with a build made with the old compiler? And did you fix the disk corruption? |
| 22:06:09 | n1s | dailies from before yesterday were made with the old gcc |
| 22:06:30 | bluebroth3r | nice, I still have the old m68k-elf around on this machine (and no updated one) |
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| 22:19:55 | bluebroth3r | n1s: same problem with r29039 |
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| 22:20:44 | n1s | bluebroth3r: ah, so not cause by the new compiler, then |
| 22:21:05 | bluebroth3r | skipping doesn't work, trying to play another track while music is playing or hitting stop results in music continuing to play, but display showing the last active screen. If it's the WPS it's static |
| 22:21:41 | bluebroth3r | maybe I should try with rockbox_default as theme |
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| 22:22:11 | n1s | bluebroth3r: very odd behaviour |
| 22:23:04 | bluebroth3r | hmm, using rockbox_failsafe causes the same issue. |
| 22:23:12 | bluebroth3r | so it doesn't look like being theme related |
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| 22:24:19 | bluebroth3r | let's try a build without RTC mod |
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| 22:29:04 | wodz | n1s: how should I build new compiler to coexist with old one? |
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| 22:30:36 | n1s | wodz: either use a different prefix and adjust the PATH or just use the same and hack the makefile slightly to select the old one when you need it |
| 22:31:20 | wodz | so the binary itself will have different name like m68k-elf-gcc-xxx ? |
| 22:32:07 | wodz | n1s:^ |
| 22:33:06 | n1s | yes, you'll have a m68k-elf-gcc-3.4.6 and m68k-elf-gcc-4.5.2 but the plain m68k-elf-gcc will be the one that is installed last (if you use the same prefix) or the one that's first in PATH if you use different prefixes |
| 22:33:59 | wodz | ok |
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| 22:48:28 | wodz | TheSeven: for the record - one of the distro tracker entry about ehci_hcd problems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/256767 |
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| 22:52:24 | bluebroth3r | hmm, 3.7.1 _also_ shows the issue? Now it's getting really weird. |
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| 22:56:55 | bluebroth3r | n1s: 3.6 works, 3.7 works, 3.7.1 does show the problem. |
| 22:57:16 | TheSeven | that limits it to a very small number of commits at least |
| 22:57:22 | bluebroth3r | so it's "only" around 1 month of commits to bisect |
| 22:57:31 | wodz | bluebroth3r: 3.7 -> 3.7.1 should be fairly easy to bisect |
| 22:57:43 | bluebroth3r | wodz: true, but it's still work ;-) |
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| 22:58:10 | wodz | bluebroth3r: It's your fault - you found the bug :-) |
| 22:58:27 | bluebroth3r | argh crap :) |
| 22:59:04 | * | bluebroth3r needs to remove that rubber case from the player −− using the paperclip debug tool is somewhat ugly with that |
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| 23:01:30 | wodz | TheSeven: Problems with my ipods are caused by ehci_hcd in recentish linux kernels definitely. Various people report problems with different players/thumb drives/and some other usb2.0 stuff. The only workaround is to disable ehci temporary for now. |
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| 23:31:30 | Buschel | bluebroth3r: as you are bisecting your playback issue -> r28652 (3.7 branch) or r28608 (trunk) look suspicous to my eyes |
| 23:32:05 | Buschel | bluebroth3r: this may also be another hint/idea regarding FS #11863 (playback lockup's or lockup's during startup) |
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| 23:32:48 | Buschel | just wanted to write this to the logs before my notebook battery dies (in a few minutes) |
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