| 00:01:44 | bluebrother | saratoga: tried to play a larger video (VIDEO: MPEG2 720x576 (aspect 2) 25.000 fps 7000.0 kbps (875.0 kbyte/s)). Nothing happens, after a while screen gets blank and player turns off |
| 00:02:08 | saratoga | yeah theres probably some buffers in there that need to be resized for larger videos |
| 00:02:41 | bluebrother | would be nice if mpegplayer would fail gracefully instead of causing a shutdown though |
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| 00:06:42 | sideral | gevaerts: with the zero-copy optimization disabled, I can't reproduce the problem any more. But typically it takes a few days to manifest itself again after a promising change ;) |
| 00:13:17 | n1s | saratoga: the beast has a tv out so it would be cool to be able to play dvd rips :) |
| 00:13:29 | n1s | if someone made the tv out work, that is |
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| 00:14:16 | n1s | bluebrother: there's a hw watchdog activated on the beast so if it locks up or freezes it will shut down after a few seconds |
| 00:15:23 | webguest627 | I am new to chat but I am curious as to why my or any Sony MP3 players do not support this? Is there any hope in the long-term for a release patch? |
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| 00:39:10 | BRi7X | looks like a different crowd here from this morning, is anyone familiar with the "Error 5" message from the Gigabeat S? I just installed a brand new hard drive in the unit, and it doesn't even appear to be spinning up. (when plugged in to my computer, windows shows a 1GB [in capacity and freespace] device called gigabeatS, which is not writable.) |
| 00:45:01 | AlexP | Welcome to the gigabeast |
| 00:45:28 | AlexP | It has the most finickity OF ever |
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| 00:45:59 | AlexP | That being said, it normally just moans then repartitions/formats |
| 00:46:17 | AlexP | Are you sure the cable is inserted the right way round/fully? |
| 00:46:30 | AlexP | I changed the harddrive in my beast with no problems |
| 00:46:32 | pixelma | bluebrother: sounds like your H100 problem, no? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11865 |
| 00:47:23 | pixelma | or similar at least, hmmm |
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| 00:50:22 | AlexP | Error 5: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6458 everyone here it was a cable/HD issue |
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| 00:52:01 | BRi7X | yeah i checked the cable connections many times... it's not spinning up |
| 00:52:09 | BRi7X | in fact i just got done checking it |
| 00:52:38 | BRi7X | (AlexP): are you well versed in the realm of the gigabeat? |
| 00:52:57 | AlexP | Only from fighting the bugger |
| 00:53:16 | BRi7X | it's a bugger alright. |
| 00:53:24 | BRi7X | i guess what i need is a hardware guy |
| 00:53:49 | AlexP | What disk are you putting in? |
| 00:53:59 | BRi7X | MK3008GAL, arrived this morning |
| 00:54:03 | AlexP | Are you sure it is OK? Any chance of putting it in a caddy? |
| 00:55:09 | BRi7X | a caddy? like something else that supports it? i think this is the only 1.8" zif hard disk device i have in the house |
| 00:55:35 | AlexP | I mean a caddy as in make in into an external drive |
| 00:55:44 | AlexP | You can pick them up from ebay for a few quid |
| 00:56:43 | BRi7X | if a quid is a pound, then a few quid is around 3 pounds... so 15 bucks usd? |
| 00:56:49 | AlexP | e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ZIF-1-8-HDD-Enclosure-Case-h-Caddy-Toshiba-Hitachi-/150393922993?pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item23042d25b1#ht_1833wt_907 |
| 00:57:08 | bluebrother | pixelma: indeed, sounds pretty similar. It could even be the same thing −− I have to do some more tests with different database versions tomorrow |
| 00:57:13 | AlexP | £5 = approx $8 US |
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| 00:57:49 | bluebrother | probably it's related to the database schema change |
| 00:58:00 | BRi7X | hrmm, i do have two other "bunked" hard drives, they do the click of death (i got this gigabeatS six months ago, it worked for 3 minutes then started clicking, ordered a new hard drive, dead on arrival with the clicking.... actually it had nothing to keep the zif connector in place, that black rod thing, i had to rig it a bit to get it to spin up, and when it spinned up it started clicking) |
| 00:58:13 | AlexP | BRi7X: But from looking around it seems likely to either be a cable or a disk issue |
| 00:58:15 | BRi7X | but this one has the rod, and it's secure |
| 00:58:29 | AlexP | Maybe the cable is bad? |
| 00:58:34 | BRi7X | hrmm, would i be able to scan any of this stuff and send a picture to someone who knows what they're doing? |
| 00:58:43 | AlexP | Has a nick in it, or a trace broken? |
| 00:59:02 | AlexP | BRi7X: You could try, but it is quite small |
| 00:59:18 | BRi7X | i was just looking at it with a magnifying glass, i noticed the harddrive had some dark areas on a few pins, i wonder if that could be it |
| 00:59:38 | BRi7X | if i reach a stale mate with this... is the screen from the Gigabeat S compatible with the Gigabeat F? |
| 00:59:38 | AlexP | who knows :) |
| 00:59:48 | AlexP | I mean r.e. the HDD |
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| 01:00:07 | AlexP | The problem is multiple unknowns |
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| 01:02:32 | AlexP | If multiple drives haven't worked, I suppose it could be the controller or something too |
| 01:02:41 | BRi7X | hrmm this is a nightmare... haha i think i already have like 130~ invested in this gigabeatS |
| 01:03:08 | BRi7X | well the drives spun up six months ago, then the device just chilled dormant and unused until i felt like resurrecting it this past week |
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| 01:03:25 | BRi7X | you are right, it could be any number of things |
| 01:03:43 | BRi7X | i wish the F and the S were more interchangable |
| 01:04:06 | AlexP | The only thing that annoys me about the F is the stupid touch cross thing |
| 01:04:15 | BRi7X | yeah |
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| 01:04:48 | BRi7X | right now i have an F with a broken backlight connector, so i fly blind... oh and the USB port's ripped out. all my fault, definitely. but it's still usable to listen to music on |
| 01:07:37 | AlexP | Especially with Rockbox's voice system |
| 01:09:41 | BRi7X | this is so strange, at this point i feel like i should just try to get another gigabeat F |
| 01:09:59 | BRi7X | though are there any other devices that have hard drives and support rockbox? |
| 01:10:26 | BRi7X | i was told there's something with the zune where it's pretty much impossible to crack or something |
| 01:11:03 | AlexP | Supported models are listed on the front page (www.rockbox.org) |
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| 01:11:38 | AlexP | The only HD target that is still available new is the ipod Classic, but that is in early development only |
| 01:11:43 | AlexP | but coming along |
| 01:13:18 | BRi7X | i have no qualms with ebaying |
| 01:13:32 | BRi7X | most of the other devices are solid state, right? |
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| 01:19:26 | BRi7X | is there someone in charge of the gigabeatS port or is it more of a community situation? i guess what i'm wondering is who could tell me the most about this error five stuff and have the most insight on why the drive isn't spinning up |
| 01:20:13 | froggyman | BRi7X, its more of a community project. No one is really assigned to anything in particular but there is often one person who does more work towards one port than someone else will |
| 01:20:57 | BRi7X | yeah that's what i was thinking, i suppose i was going for that 'one person', though i understand if sightings of said person could be rare haha |
| 01:21:47 | froggyman | BRi7X, You might have better luck asking on the forums as those are less time sensitive |
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| 01:32:55 | BRi7X | i shall inquire there, i hope there's a gigabeat section |
| 01:33:23 | AlexP | BRi7X: Or ask jhMikeS, he did quite a large chunk of the S port |
| 01:33:44 | BRi7X | what would this issue go in, Hardware or Repairing and Upgrading Rockbox Capable Players? |
| 01:33:46 | BRi7X | oh really? |
| 01:33:48 | jhMikeS | LambdaCalculus37: (for logs) almost there to make a bootloader USB connect for the first time |
| 01:33:51 | AlexP | jhMikeS: Apologies for throwing you to the wolves :) |
| 01:34:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:34:02 | * | jhMikeS likes wolves :) |
| 01:34:05 | BRi7X | wolves are sweet, but I digress |
| 01:34:18 | BRi7X | (there's a wolf right now on my tshirt actually) |
| 01:34:24 | jhMikeS | what's happening? |
| 01:34:54 | BRi7X | I hear you're the guy to see if there's a gigabeat S issue... well there's an issue, Error 5 smacking me in the face. :( |
| 01:35:25 | BRi7X | I just got a new hard disk and it doesn't appear to be spinning up (either that or my hearing's going bad, which is also possible) |
| 01:35:39 | AlexP | BRi7X: You might hit the common issue that people don't care much about the OF, so unless they have had a specific problem they are unlikely to have looked into it |
| 01:35:54 | jhMikeS | error 5? |
| 01:36:25 | BRi7X | of course i don't care about the OF, i mean i like windows CE and all, don't get me wrong, but still |
| 01:36:32 | AlexP | jhMikeS: I think it indicates bad HDD (either the drive or cable) |
| 01:36:35 | BRi7X | yes, Error 5, it's hard disk related |
| 01:37:04 | jhMikeS | you mean -5? |
| 01:37:38 | AlexP | jhMikeS: It's an OF error |
| 01:37:54 | jhMikeS | oh, I've never seen it |
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| 01:38:44 | jhMikeS | anyway, it's an OF bootloader message? |
| 01:39:13 | BRi7X | yeah it appears so, i patched the bootloader six months ago, then i gave up for a while.. but this week i just got a new hard drive (arrived today) and that Error 5 is still coming up |
| 01:39:43 | jhMikeS | will it run anything at all? |
| 01:40:16 | BRi7X | well there's a blank hard drive in it , but it doesn't /sound/ like it's spinning up |
| 01:40:29 | BRi7X | i pseudo italicized 'sound' because i placed it up to my ear |
| 01:40:41 | jhMikeS | stethoscope! |
| 01:40:43 | BRi7X | BUT i did hear some kind of buzzing, but it didn't /sound/ like it was coming from the hard disk drive |
| 01:40:52 | BRi7X | my friend works at a hospital, should i ask him to steal one? |
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| 01:41:16 | jhMikeS | sure, it could help |
| 01:41:58 | BRi7X | in any case, it didn't quite sound like any hard disk spinnage was coming from it |
| 01:41:59 | jhMikeS | if it won't run, and another drive won't run, perhaps there a power supply issue |
| 01:42:06 | BRi7X | spinnage spinach |
| 01:42:14 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 01:42:30 | BRi7X | a power supply issue, hrmm... what kind of power supply issue? |
| 01:43:09 | jhMikeS | could be the connector lines, or perhaps something more severe like a damaged component (I wouldn't jump to conclusions though) |
| 01:43:38 | jhMikeS | even the old drive won't spin? |
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| 01:44:25 | * | jhMikeS reads again and missed "still coming up" |
| 01:44:57 | BRi7X | the old drive doesn't have the tiny black rod that keeps the zif stuff in place |
| 01:45:02 | BRi7X | but i can hold it down i suppose |
| 01:46:04 | jhMikeS | you should be able to run it with the case open and put your ear to the drive. |
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| 01:48:07 | Amsu | 40gb or so) and i was wondering if there was a simple way to move album art over as well |
| 01:48:15 | jhMikeS | personally, I'd locate the power HD pins and check with a meter to see if they have the correct reading |
| 01:48:37 | BRi7X | real quick, are you aware of the way that they're supposed to be connected to the drives? |
| 01:48:46 | Amsu | sorry, it didnt post right. i used winamp to move over my music library to rockbox, and i was wondering if there was a simple way to move album art as well |
| 01:48:56 | BRi7X | like if it's pinside face down into the hard drive with the toshiba stuff face up? |
| 01:51:05 | jhMikeS | hmmm....I can give a quick look, maybe even post a pic |
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| 01:51:38 | BRi7X | that'd be helpful |
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| 01:54:13 | jhMikeS | there's a thick trace in the cable, it should be opposite the power button |
| 01:54:39 | jhMikeS | drive label faces downward toward main board |
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| 01:58:49 | BRi7X | so wait |
| 01:58:57 | BRi7X | i'm a little confused by that |
| 01:59:49 | jhMikeS | ok, pics of mine then :) |
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| 02:00:17 | BRi7X | you might be my hero |
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| 02:00:25 | BRi7X | but yeah let's see those pics |
| 02:00:57 | BRi7X | you are my hero |
| 02:01:48 | BRi7X | embarrassing as the solution may have been, i'm SO GLAD it was something stupid and fixable. |
| 02:02:04 | krazykit | you put the hard drive in upside-down? |
| 02:02:11 | * | krazykit did the same thing on his beast |
| 02:02:16 | BRi7X | yes |
| 02:02:19 | BRi7X | can we high five? |
| 02:02:26 | BRi7X | high five to no more error 5 |
| 02:03:02 | jhMikeS | you got it? |
| 02:03:04 | BRi7X | that's what sucks about zif, there's really no way to tell |
| 02:03:06 | BRi7X | yes ^_^ |
| 02:03:12 | jhMikeS | \o/ |
| 02:03:15 | BRi7X | bitchpatching now |
| 02:03:34 | BRi7X | crap, i need to name this gigabeat |
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| 02:03:59 | BRi7X | every gigabeat i had, i gave its drive a name.... my most recent one has been the AstralBeat. |
| 02:07:58 | BRi7X | (jhMikeS): so uh, this unit's been pretty much disassembled for six months. i have the pieces and all, but my goal is to reassemble it. is there a walk through or something? i remember there being some sort of disassemble walkthrough |
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| 02:08:39 | jhMikeS | I don't know. It sort of puts itself together I find (now looking for the screw I dropped) |
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| 02:08:45 | BRi7X | hahaha |
| 02:10:59 | jhMikeS | aha, found it |
| 02:11:32 | BRi7X | damn, copying 17GB! weee |
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| 02:11:46 | BRi7X | reallllly wish my 40GB F drive worked here haha |
| 02:19:42 | * | [Saint] wonders how many of BRi7X's additional drives are "bunked" ;) |
| 02:19:51 | [Saint] | oy, yeah..haha! |
| 02:20:18 | BRi7X | all of them... none of them have the security rods and i remember both of the others deathclicking |
| 02:20:24 | BRi7X | haha |
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| 02:20:59 | BRi7X | okay the way i just said that made it sound like i have a lot of other drives... i only have two others, deathclickin' and security rodless |
| 02:21:11 | BRi7X | does that meet specification for being bunked? |
| 02:22:10 | jhMikeS | it meets specification for being confusing (all the nicknames) lol |
| 02:22:57 | [Saint] | Indeed...I just had this image in my head of you buying countless drives to check this issue, and inserting every last one upside-down. ;) |
| 02:23:22 | [Saint] | and I though..."Geee...wouldn't that piss you off..."/ |
| 02:23:37 | * | jhMikeS doesn't have to answer anything else since he has to reset his beast's clock (which he hates doing) ;) |
| 02:23:53 | [Saint] | hahah! |
| 02:26:09 | BRi7X | haha, well. if that was the case, at least i have back ups |
| 02:26:25 | BRi7X | you should see my room... there's a skyscraper of gigabeat hard disks |
| 02:26:35 | BRi7X | gigabeat F hard disks, that is |
| 02:26:44 | BRi7X | i should donate my gigabeat F to a museum or something |
| 02:27:49 | BRi7X | no front case, nonfunctioning backlight, no USB port, the "A" button got water damage (beer damage), and the inside of the back casing is signed by two famous musicians (famous in europe i suppose) |
| 02:28:13 | [Saint] | not really sure that's a museum quality piece ;) |
| 02:28:24 | [Saint] | it it were NIB, then... :D |
| 02:28:53 | BRi7X | NIB? |
| 02:29:27 | [Saint] | "new in box". |
| 02:29:32 | BRi7X | ah haha |
| 02:29:57 | BRi7X | i'd be pretty upset if a new in box gigabeat came with all those ailments... but i'd get it because of the two signatures ^_^ |
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| 02:32:07 | BRi7X | though, i still use it every day to play music on. sadly i'm usually stuck with the first folder in the menu because i can't see, but i arranged it (through another gigabeat's usb port) to prioritize what albums were on top, taking advantage of "!" always going to the top of alphabetized lists... today i had to set rockbox to show only music because sometimes album art would pop up |
| 02:33:22 | * | [Saint] shouts "Voiced UI" loudly from the rooftops. |
| 02:33:46 | BRi7X | how can i configure that without a screen and USB though? |
| 02:33:52 | [Saint] | .cfg file |
| 02:34:02 | BRi7X | without USB? |
| 02:34:04 | [Saint] | oh, shit...no USB |
| 02:34:05 | BRi7X | haha |
| 02:34:30 | BRi7X | sometimes when i'm on the train the angle of the sun is right that i can see it pretty well |
| 02:34:36 | [Saint] | I don't think there's an overview of the menu structure....anywhere. |
| 02:35:12 | [Saint] | otherwise you'd be able to do the "press X 3 times, press left twice, press Y, ...done" thing. |
| 02:35:14 | BRi7X | the menu structure that i need to know i know. now playing is 3 ticks down etc. |
| 02:35:22 | BRi7X | file's at the top |
| 02:36:26 | BRi7X | hrmm in my joy of getting this to work i think i might have skipped a step |
| 02:36:33 | BRi7X | getting a file not found |
| 02:36:39 | BRi7X | derp |
| 02:36:42 | [Saint] | It would be worth getting an external drive enclosure...so you can set up rockbox properly, and voice all your files. |
| 02:37:33 | jhMikeS | BRi7X: file not found from the bootloader? |
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| 02:43:12 | BRi7X | yeah |
| 02:43:31 | BRi7X | hrmm |
| 02:43:35 | BRi7X | what file though, ya know? |
| 02:44:14 | BRi7X | ooh |
| 02:44:19 | BRi7X | section 2.6 |
| 02:44:30 | jhMikeS | I'd expect 'rockbox.gigabeat' usually, sometimes that happens after first install. |
| 02:44:50 | BRi7X | wtffff explorer crashed |
| 02:45:21 | * | jhMikeS is pleased to have been witness to such a rare event |
| 02:45:42 | BRi7X | lmfao, it seems like ever since i installed MacDrive, whenever I right click in the side tree view in explorer, i get failslapped |
| 02:46:34 | BRi7X | i wish i took latin in high school... if i did i'd be able to give my gigabeat an aweeeeesome name. |
| 02:46:56 | BRi7X | neo means new... the NeoBeat.. that'll do for now |
| 02:47:01 | jhMikeS | bad shell extension maybe? |
| 02:47:06 | BRi7X | perhaps |
| 02:47:17 | jhMikeS | e pluribus unum beat |
| 02:47:23 | BRi7X | but rockbox.gigabeat is in here... 607KB |
| 02:48:12 | BRi7X | this is supposed to go on the same partition that the music is on, all the .rockbox stuff, right? |
| 02:48:16 | jhMikeS | dump a rockbox.tar (instead of .zip) in in /Content/0b00 and reboot |
| 02:48:34 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 02:48:37 | BRi7X | where's /Content/0b00? |
| 02:48:46 | jhMikeS | should be in the root |
| 02:49:13 | BRi7X | none what so ever |
| 02:49:14 | jhMikeS | excuse me/Content/0b00/00/ |
| 02:49:48 | jhMikeS | just make it and put rockbox.tar in there |
| 02:49:53 | BRi7X | alright |
| 02:50:00 | BRi7X | and i'll make the zip into a tar |
| 02:50:02 | BRi7X | with 7zip? |
| 02:50:30 | jhMikeS | whatever works. don't tar the zip file, just tar the contents |
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| 02:51:23 | BRi7X | rockbox-gigabeats ? |
| 02:51:51 | BRi7X | got a rockbox-gigabeats.tar |
| 02:52:38 | BRi7X | maybe i should do this with bash? |
| 02:52:42 | jhMikeS | so long as it's in the directory, the bootloader doesn't care what the name is |
| 02:53:55 | BRi7X | wtfff |
| 02:53:59 | BRi7X | still nothing |
| 02:54:11 | BRi7X | gets as far as Init complete and then "file not found" |
| 02:54:45 | jhMikeS | it should say "Found rockbox binary. Moving..." or "Found tar file. Unarchiving..." before that |
| 02:55:11 | BRi7X | where's this tar supposed to be? /Content/0b00/00 ? |
| 02:55:16 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 02:55:42 | jhMikeS | or a rockbox binary straight up |
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| 02:55:56 | BRi7X | hrmm lemme try something |
| 02:56:01 | BRi7X | wait in the small partition or the large one? |
| 02:56:06 | jhMikeS | large |
| 02:56:40 | BRi7X | got it! |
| 02:56:50 | BRi7X | wtf low battery |
| 02:57:08 | BRi7X | if it isn't one thing it's another with this gigaturd |
| 02:57:16 | jhMikeS | charge time :) |
| 02:57:29 | BRi7X | i think it's been charging all day |
| 02:57:38 | BRi7X | though i dunno if it charges with no hard drive inside |
| 02:57:46 | jhMikeS | it won't if it can't boot |
| 02:57:53 | BRi7X | ahh |
| 02:57:59 | BRi7X | that makes sense i guesss |
| 02:58:13 | jhMikeS | the charger is managed in firmware |
| 02:58:58 | BRi7X | i just realized i don't have the back panel on, which means i have no buttons... but it looks like i'm still able to get full functionality from the front buttons |
| 02:59:27 | BRi7X | there's a RADIO on this!? |
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| 03:01:21 | BRi7X | aww crap my friends are on the way, i was hoping to get this thing back together before then... and has my shirt REALLY been untucked all day!? |
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| 03:02:49 | BRi7X | gigabeat S and F batteries... interchangeable? |
| 03:03:37 | jhMikeS | the F battery might work, be sure the connector polarity is correct though |
| 03:03:58 | jhMikeS | * just a paranoid suggestion on my part |
| 03:04:08 | BRi7X | understandable |
| 03:05:16 | BRi7X | crap, any sign of schematics for this thing? i have no idea where all these screws are supposed to go |
| 03:06:37 | jhMikeS | hehe, maybe something's up on the port page in the wiki |
| 03:07:39 | BRi7X | is the battery icon supposed to do anything while it's plugged into AC? |
| 03:09:02 | jhMikeS | it doesn't do much other than slowly rise, if you play music the default cabbie WPS shows a lightning bolt |
| 03:09:56 | jhMikeS | the animation is in gray, so it's not really visible against the background |
| 03:10:46 | BRi7X | alrighty. see a lightning bolt |
| 03:10:59 | BRi7X | and damnit, looks like i'm gonna have to go with rubberbands instead of screws until tomorrow >_< |
| 03:11:39 | jhMikeS | duct tape :P |
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| 03:14:01 | BRi7X | got a picture: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs789.ash1/167951_10150163716395200_548680199_8481252_7852279_n.jpg how's it look? |
| 03:14:23 | BRi7X | the RUBBERBEAST. i'm gonna name it that |
| 03:15:14 | BRi7X | to the upper top right, you can see the signed back of the Gigabeat F |
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| 03:15:47 | jhMikeS | not quite Theo Jansen, but if it holds together... :) |
| 03:16:06 | BRi7X | I'm probably gonna get a real case at some point before it breaks |
| 03:16:07 | BRi7X | err |
| 03:17:02 | BRi7X | and tomorrow morning, depending upon how hungover i am... i'm gonna put all those screws in |
| 03:18:14 | jhMikeS | there are no screws even inside? |
| 03:18:37 | BRi7X | here and there |
| 03:18:40 | BRi7X | i only took off the back |
| 03:18:46 | BRi7X | and whatever that brace was |
| 03:18:50 | BRi7X | hope that wasn't important |
| 03:18:59 | BRi7X | and if it was, i hope it's nothin the rubber bands can't tend to |
| 03:19:07 | jhMikeS | the brace is |
| 03:19:23 | BRi7X | i did, however, put that rubber thing around the hard drive, the one that's connected to that black paper-esque material |
| 03:19:28 | BRi7X | the brace is? |
| 03:19:28 | jhMikeS | short machine screws on the case, except the side ones, which are longer and have a bigger thread |
| 03:19:51 | BRi7X | i wonder how much power a ten minute charge can provide |
| 03:19:58 | jhMikeS | it has the tapped hole that holds that hook on the back |
| 03:20:13 | jhMikeS | not much power for sure |
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| 03:22:43 | jhMikeS | battery life isn't exactly spectacular as it is (and I have no idea why atm) |
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| 06:50:48 | [Saint] | kugel: kugel_: JdGordon|: JdGordon|1: That theme is working in the gigabeast sim...so it must be something with either the SDL app, the Android port, or the touch regions. |
| 06:50:57 | [Saint] | I suspect the latter. |
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| 06:51:46 | [Saint] | If it can't do viewport relative touch regions...that's going to SUCK! :/ |
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| 07:03:49 | jhMikeS | PP USB mode works :D |
| 07:03:57 | [Saint] | Nice. |
| 07:04:05 | jhMikeS | in the bootloader of course |
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| 07:46:39 | Thopter | Is there a way to have the clock plugin autostart when you turn on the dap? |
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| 08:15:42 | [Saint] | ARGH!!!! |
| 08:18:09 | [Saint] | We *really* need debug output in the sims again... the only output that −−debugwps gives is " Loading '/.rockbox/wps/<BLAH>.ext' " which doesn't help at all. as it posts this whether the file loads successfully or not. |
| 08:18:27 | [Saint] | I just spent an hour hunting down a missplaced colon. |
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| 08:29:15 | Thopter | wow, congrats on your perseverance, and for actually finding it :) |
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| 08:29:56 | y4n | What is the reason for volume fluctuating on a very loud track, when is not RG-scanned and my RG preamp is set to +5 db? Fluctuation goes away after I RG-scan the track. |
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| 08:30:04 | y4n | *it is not |
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| 08:30:15 | y4n | Compressor is off. |
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| 08:32:50 | y4n | It should rather go all clipping, but not reducing volume :p |
| 08:34:09 | [Saint] | y4n: Just a guess, but do you have prevent clipping enabled? |
| 08:34:13 | [Saint] | Thopter: I spent most of yesterday writing the code, and all of te day before with the images...so I didn't have much choice ;) |
| 08:34:21 | y4n | [Saint]: I checked, it is off |
| 08:34:38 | [Saint] | y4n: *shrug* |
| 08:35:08 | Thopter | sorry for repeating myself, but it's been nearly an hour now: |
| 08:35:13 | Thopter | Is there a way to have the clock plugin autostart when you turn on the dap? |
| 08:35:28 | y4n | this is by Envy, quite damn loud, about -13 db track gain |
| 08:35:32 | y4n | track/album |
| 08:36:31 | [Saint] | Thopter: Google is your friend. |
| 08:36:32 | [Saint] | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=26342.0 |
| 08:36:38 | [Saint] | Sorry, I missed your first post. |
| 08:37:20 | Thopter | gee, and I even searched the forums... though I searched for startup plugin, not boot.... |
| 08:38:28 | Thopter | I found essentially the same info, but the posts I found were from 2006 or so, so I hoped there was an easier method by now |
| 08:39:03 | [Saint] | Ah, nope. Nothing's changed in that department. |
| 08:39:23 | Thopter | any reason why that particular feature was commented out? |
| 08:39:58 | [Saint] | It isn't "commented out" because it was disabled, it was never enabled for the general public releases AFAIK |
| 08:40:25 | [Saint] | It's just something put there by the devs to make life slightly easier while testing I believe |
| 08:41:27 | Thopter | ah, kk. off now to figure out how to edit and build, thanks for the help |
| 08:41:38 | [Saint] | check out our fine wiki |
| 08:41:44 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome |
| 08:42:18 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide is a good place to start. |
| 08:43:38 | Thopter | thanks again |
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| 08:53:05 | [Saint] | Here's a question of preference...if you only have one line to present it in, how should "Next Track" be presented? "Track - Album" "Track - Artist" "Artist - Track"? |
| 08:53:33 | [Saint] | Other? |
| 08:54:08 | Llorean | [Saint]: I'd have the line alternating between "Title" and "Artist - Album" I think |
| 08:54:57 | [Saint] | Hmmm, yeah. I thought I should add that "Next Track:" is on the line above. |
| 08:55:08 | [Saint] | That will work quite well I think. |
| 08:55:15 | [Saint] | Thanks. |
| 08:59:12 | jhMikeS | hrmp, sansapatcher thinks the sa9200 is an e200 |
| 08:59:57 | Llorean | Does it have the same USB IDs as one of the recovery modes or something? |
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| 09:01:16 | jhMikeS | no clue on that |
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| 09:01:38 | jhMikeS | it's an older one I had sitting around though |
| 09:04:50 | jhMikeS | .8 still does (off download site) |
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| 09:13:11 | jhMikeS | Llorean: actually, it doesn't look like it |
| 09:14:48 | sideral | Saint: have you seen my update to FS #11877? |
| 09:15:26 | [Saint] | Yes, though I don't quite know what to make of it... |
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| 09:16:31 | [Saint] | On my devices it seems that once the FS is corrupt, it's corrupt...I haven't been able to reproduce the behaviour you have with it magically fixing itself on reconnect. |
| 09:17:04 | sideral | What kind of device is that? |
| 09:17:28 | [Saint] | iPod Colour (1 60Gb HDD, 1 64Gb CF) |
| 09:18:11 | sideral | hmm... ok |
| 09:18:35 | [Saint] | it also seems to be .tcd and .fnt files that are the most prone to corruption. |
| 09:18:48 | sideral | could you please post your experiences / experiments to FS #11877 anyway? |
| 09:19:29 | [Saint] | Yes, I can do...I don't doubt that it's the same bug...I just think it is manifesting itself in different ways. |
| 09:19:33 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29053): Bootloader USB mode for PP502x. Enable only on GoGear SA9200 for the time being. Add HAVE_BOOTLOADER_USB_MODE to config if BOOTLOADER is defined to ... |
| 09:19:57 | [Saint] | I have a feeling it might be connected to the random lockups that Buschel has seen also. |
| 09:20:31 | jhMikeS | I haven't had random locks on PP5024 devices though (the hardware in those is more stable in general) |
| 09:25:15 | CIA-7 | r29053 build result: 1849 errors, 636 warnings (jethead71 committed) |
| 09:25:29 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
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| 09:53:00 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29054): Fix r29053 red and a leftover use of 'usb' variable as a bool rather than int in main-pp.c. |
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| 09:55:07 | [Saint] | Llorean: Thanks, that doesn't look half bad. |
| 09:57:28 | CIA-7 | r29054 build result: 108 errors, 1 warnings (jethead71 committed) |
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| 09:58:12 | jhMikeS | dammit I just made some of those |
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| 10:01:57 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29055): Fix r29054 red...yeah? |
| 10:06:19 | CIA-7 | r29055 build result: 6 errors, 1 warnings (jethead71 committed) |
| 10:07:14 | jhMikeS | !! |
| 10:11:43 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29056): Get the last warning for vibe 500 bootloader. |
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| 10:15:52 | CIA-7 | r29056 build result: 6 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed) |
| 10:16:24 | pixelma | jhMikeS: could this be related to your sync fixes: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26984.msg176787.html#msg176787 ? |
| 10:16:31 | pixelma | mpegplayer that is |
| 10:16:36 | AlexP | jhMikeS: Last warning but not the errors? :) |
| 10:17:02 | [Saint] | moral: errors are fine without warnings :D |
| 10:17:16 | jhMikeS | I misread and thought it was a server error :'( |
| 10:18:56 | jhMikeS | that file shouldn't be made for that (??) |
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| 10:22:54 | jhMikeS | ahh...those can't share the same boot.lds with sa9200 |
| 10:24:07 | Thopter | I'm back... I finished making the changes to allow a plugin to start on boot, only on my sansa clip+ the autostart.rock that I place keeps getting changed to a 0kb text file |
| 10:25:24 | Thopter | can't believe it took nearly 2 hours tho >_< |
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| 10:33:36 | [Saint] | I think you may be misinterpreting the instructions. |
| 10:34:10 | [Saint] | Are you renaming the plugin you want to launch, or literally dreating a file named autostart.rock? |
| 10:34:18 | [Saint] | *creating |
| 10:34:38 | Thopter | I right-click the clock.rock file, go to the .rockbox folder, paste the copy there, and rename it autostart.rock |
| 10:34:53 | Thopter | oops, right-click then copy the clock.rock file |
| 10:35:35 | [Saint] | and at what point does it "keeps getting changed to a 0kb text file"? |
| 10:36:58 | Thopter | I unplug from usb, clip+ says it's updating its database or something, when it's done I restart the player, the plugin does not start when rockbox starts up, so I turn it off and replug in the usb. when I open the .rockbox folder, the autostart.rock file is an empty text file |
| 10:38:25 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29057): Oops...have to mind the boot.lds variation in /firmware/target/arm/philips by bootloader USB mode or not. |
| 10:39:01 | [Saint] | Are you familiar enough with the copy/paste functions in Rockbox to be able to do this on the device with rockbox booted already? |
| 10:39:23 | [Saint] | It would seem as though the Sansa OF is doing something funky with this file. |
| 10:39:34 | Thopter | not yet... |
| 10:40:31 | jhMikeS | pixelma: now that green should be coming back to the build table, I'm looking at that |
| 10:40:54 | kugel_ | jhMikeS: other targets simply use the existing #defines for usb for bootloader-usb |
| 10:41:41 | jhMikeS | pixelma: perhaps |
| 10:41:55 | [Saint] | with the manual as a reference, you should be ok. Just navigate to clock.rock and bring up the context menu on it (you'll need to check the manual, I don't own this device), after bringing up the context menu one of the options you'll see is copy, select copy and then navigate to the root of the player and bring up the context menu again, then select paste. |
| 10:41:57 | jhMikeS | kugel_: it didn't seem so simple |
| 10:42:00 | jhMikeS | not here |
| 10:42:22 | [Saint] | You can then bring up the context menu on the file you just moved and this time select rename instead. |
| 10:42:31 | CIA-7 | r29057 build result: All green |
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| 10:44:06 | kugel_ | jhMikeS: at least the beast and sansa amsv1 did so |
| 10:45:47 | [Saint] | Is it known that the Sansa OF could mutilate a .rock file if it were outside of the .rockbox dir? I can't see why it would, but I can't see another explanation for it. |
| 10:45:52 | [Saint] | (see above) |
| 10:45:52 | jhMikeS | but they all build with BLUSB, with PP it's a case where I didn't want to affect every PP target but one and PP5002 was off limits for BLUSB, and all share files (messy) |
| 10:47:15 | Llorean | Thopter: What changes did you make to Rockbox? |
| 10:47:59 | [Saint] | Llorean: linked above also. |
| 10:48:11 | kugel_ | USE_ROCKBOX_USB/HAVE_USBSTACK also allows per target split |
| 10:48:12 | [Saint] | (a wee bit further, though) |
| 10:48:20 | Thopter | I got it figured now |
| 10:48:29 | Llorean | [Saint]: I'm not asking what changes he was told to make, but rather, what changes he did. Sometimes that's not exactly the same. |
| 10:48:37 | Thopter | it works if autostart.rock is in .rockbox/rocks and not in .rockbox alone |
| 10:49:19 | Thopter | Llorean: I made the changes as specified here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=26342.0 |
| 10:49:46 | jhMikeS | kugel_: I'm not worrying about a perfect preproccor macro at this time after busting my doing all that shit lol...I'll fix it up later |
| 10:49:47 | Llorean | Thopter: And no other changes / patches applied? |
| 10:49:56 | Thopter | Llorean: correct, no other changes made |
| 10:50:03 | * | [Saint] can't see how that would result in the file getting mutilated into a 0b text file, though. |
| 10:50:12 | Llorean | Then it'd probably be worth reporting that there's a bug in autorock. |
| 10:50:15 | [Saint] | it should just ignore it. |
| 10:50:25 | Thopter | if I leave the autostart.rock in the rocks folder, it works |
| 10:50:40 | Llorean | It's still a bug. |
| 10:50:49 | [Saint] | Indeed. |
| 10:51:13 | * | kugel_ still wonders why autostart.rock isn't enabled by default |
| 10:52:00 | Thopter | at least now I know I can delete the autostart.rock file and nothing bad will happen ^_^, for those times when I want to turn the feature off |
| 10:52:04 | [Saint] | kugel_: I'm sure no-one would have a heart attack if you enabled it. |
| 10:52:08 | jhMikeS | there are targets that are defining that in USB builds yet not having BL USB mode, it's rather sticky to have also examined every config too |
| 10:52:49 | Llorean | [Saint]: Enabling it by default has been brought up before and rejected. It wouldn't be wise to just blindly enable it, especially if it's apparently currently semi-broken. |
| 10:53:39 | Thopter | interestingly enough, if I have autostart.rock in both places, .rockbox and rocks, then the file in .rockbox does not get changed to an empty text file |
| 10:53:44 | [Saint] | Ah, well...yes. I should have specifically stated it be in a working state before it was enabled...but I thought that may have been obvious. |
| 10:53:46 | [Saint] | Sorry. |
| 10:53:55 | [Saint] | Yes, it does need to *work* first ;) |
| 10:54:09 | Llorean | [Saint]: Yes it needs to work, but since it's been rejected in the past it also needs discussed. |
| 10:54:27 | [Saint] | There's things in core now that have been rejected in the past. |
| 10:54:36 | [Saint] | rediscussion is never bad. |
| 10:55:05 | Llorean | Yes, but you were proposing just enabling it without discussion. *I'm* the one who said it should be rediscussed. |
| 10:57:13 | pixelma | jhMikeS: I wonder though why I didn't see a change/problem in files working before on my M5 at least - I tested all videos I had on the device, or their first few seconds to be precise |
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| 10:57:54 | jhMikeS | pixelma: it might have to do with something in the ams pcm driver |
| 10:58:17 | Thopter | the OF does not need to do its analyzing files thing when unplugged for the file to be broken |
| 10:59:59 | Thopter | I should also clarify that it works when in .rockbox/rocks/apps... sorry I didn't make that clear before, I just mentioned rocks |
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| 11:01:03 | kugel_ | jhMikeS: those define it in the #ifndef BOOTLOADER section |
| 11:01:19 | kugel_ | no? |
| 11:02:28 | jhMikeS | not all of them |
| 11:04:52 | jhMikeS | it's a rather major shift, to the point it needed a different lds and crt0 |
| 11:05:25 | * | bluebrother now has a pattern on his crash on h100 |
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| 11:11:50 | bluebrother | it happens if an _old_ database is in the .rockbox folder. After reinitializing the database the error is gone. |
| 11:12:15 | bluebrother | and it happens if no database is available. Interestingly it works fine on Ipod Mini without database |
| 11:13:04 | bluebrother | however, without r28608 it works fine with the old database. Rockbox however says that the database is not initialized (wtf?) |
| 11:13:15 | bluebrother | until I rebuild the database that is |
| 11:14:12 | pixelma | bluebrother: sounds exactly like the bug report I linked to you last night |
| 11:15:08 | bluebrother | pixelma: yep, currently commenting on that |
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| 11:21:19 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Sounds like you went more in depth on what was pissing me off with my Colors initially when I got them. |
| 11:21:22 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: you know you can set the time on the beast via USB these days? |
| 11:21:35 | [Saint] | I absulutely could not get the DB to build in a current build. |
| 11:22:27 | bluebrother | [Saint]: well, the database does build and work. However, you need to completely rebuild it |
| 11:22:35 | bluebrother | at least for the issue I'm experiencing |
| 11:22:49 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: really? how? |
| 11:23:17 | [Saint] | The issue I was experiencing seems slightly different again then, and I'm still didgy about it because it magically fixed itself. |
| 11:23:24 | [Saint] | bluebrother: ^ |
| 11:23:43 | * | jhMikeS supposes he should rtfm on occasion |
| 11:23:50 | [Saint] | With new builds, I could not even auto-update a DB built with the release build. |
| 11:24:12 | [Saint] | Sometime the new build wouldn't even detect that the DB was already initialised. |
| 11:24:35 | [Saint] | and now, current SVN manages to init my DB fine. :/ |
| 11:26:57 | jhMikeS | sa9200 should move up a notch to unstable by now imho unless somethings missing for that status |
| 11:27:27 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: there's a tool somewhere (for linux anyway) to set ipod clocks (possibly called ipod-time-sync). That also works on rockbox on any software usb target. I can't really find more right now, my connection is *bad* |
| 11:29:03 | jhMikeS | ah, that's what that "case RECEIVING_TIME:" is for in usb_storage.c |
| 11:29:22 | bluebrother | doesn't the database have a version number? |
| 11:30:00 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodTimeSync |
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| 11:33:28 | Slasheri | bluebrother: it does have. And the autoresume patch changed internal structures of the db, forcing to rebuild it. |
| 11:35:11 | * | jhMikeS wonders about this iBeat with gigaTunes |
| 11:35:36 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodItunesCommunication for the technical details |
| 11:37:38 | bluebrother | Slasheri: in that case I don't understand why the player gets into this "ui lockup" state −− but given the fact that on h100 it also hangs when no database is present I guess the problem is not related to a database version number |
| 11:39:20 | Slasheri | bluebrother: interesting, it's probably related to something else |
| 11:40:03 | bluebrother | Slasheri: seeh http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11865 for my detailed comments on the issue (if you haven't already :) |
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| 11:44:19 | Slasheri | bluebrother: sounds like that when you press stop button, the wps should close and bring back the database. But for some reason, the database viewer gets stuck waiting for the db to become ready |
| 11:45:42 | bluebrother | Slasheri: not exactly −− I've been starting playback from the file browser, so pressing stop should bring me back to the file browser. Or to the Main Menu, since it also happens when I resume playback directly after startup so the last screen was the Main Menu |
| 11:46:37 | Slasheri | ah, then it's more interesting.. have you tried to disable runtime data gathering? |
| 11:46:40 | bluebrother | and since it is caused by FS #11722 I think runtime statistics logging is the problem, not the database viewer |
| 11:46:50 | Slasheri | indeed |
| 11:47:02 | bluebrother | no, haven't tried taht |
| 11:49:24 | bluebrother | ok, doesn't occur with "gather runtime data" disabled |
| 11:49:28 | Slasheri | so it sounds it gets stuck waiting the db to become ready when trying to access runtime data |
| 11:49:40 | Slasheri | ok, then it should be pretty straightforward to fix |
| 11:51:19 | * | bluebrother added another comment to FS #11865 :) |
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| 11:53:30 | Slasheri | ouch, there is a really bad thing in tagtree_buffer_event: while (! tagcache_is_usable()) yield(); |
| 11:53:33 | Slasheri | it waits forever |
| 11:53:57 | bluebrother | that's the offending commit |
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| 11:54:36 | bluebrother | according to my tests (and git bisect) |
| 11:55:28 | Slasheri | bluebrother: hmm, that loop got added recently? |
| 11:55:52 | bluebrother | Slasheri: yes, http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=28608 |
| 11:56:50 | Slasheri | oh.. why? you should just ignore runtime data if tagcache engine is not ready |
| 11:56:53 | bluebrother | it's been added between Rockbxo 3.7 and 3.7.1. When trying I first went back through releases, and 3.7 doesn't show the issue. Buschel suspected that commit and after bisecting it turned out that this is the commit |
| 11:57:01 | Slasheri | it's not likely to become ready anytime soon either |
| 11:57:16 | bluebrother | Slasheri: ask sideral / see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11722 |
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| 11:58:17 | bluebrother | I can see that people also want the first track to get logged in runtime data, but waiting forever for the database seems a bit strange to me −− not everyone is using the database :) |
| 11:58:24 | * | jhMikeS builds for fuzev2 to see if he gets the mpegplayer stuck bug |
| 11:58:28 | bluebrother | but "gather runtime data" still might be enabled |
| 11:58:45 | * | bluebrother wonders if runtime statistics is gathered if there is no database |
| 11:58:55 | Slasheri | bluebrother: ah, yes.. so it should wait while tagcache is initializing, not until it's ready |
| 11:59:10 | bluebrother | but as I get the hang when no database* files are on my player I guess it does |
| 11:59:18 | Slasheri | while (!tagcache_is_initialized()) ... |
| 11:59:41 | bluebrother | is tagcache considered initialized if there is no database on the player? |
| 11:59:51 | Slasheri | bluebrother: yes, of course that loop always waits until tagcache is ready |
| 11:59:56 | Slasheri | yes |
| 11:59:59 | Slasheri | but not ready |
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| 12:00:01 | jhMikeS | ...and somewhere there's a fuze buried under a hunk of papers :\ |
| 12:00:12 | Slasheri | and it's not initialized until it's ready |
| 12:00:49 | Slasheri | oops.. it's not initialized until it _might_ become ready, but doesn't have to ever become ready |
| 12:02:26 | Slasheri | bluebrother: sorry, i was wrong.. it should check for a readyvalid-status instead.. there is no external function for that defined yet |
| 12:02:35 | sideral | Slasheri: I was the one who asked to add it −− FS #11722 |
| 12:02:55 | Slasheri | but that function should return tc_stat.readyvalid |
| 12:03:35 | bluebrother | Slasheri: ok, then I'll stop trying that change you mentioned :) |
| 12:03:36 | Slasheri | sideral: checking that readyvalid status should be better.. so it doesn't get stuck forever |
| 12:03:49 | bluebrother | "better" :D |
| 12:04:06 | sideral | to increase tagcache statistics precision, and also for autoresume to work with the first track |
| 12:04:44 | Slasheri | sideral: yes, that should be a good reason |
| 12:05:12 | sideral | I'd be happy to test any modifications you want to make to this |
| 12:06:05 | bluebrother | sideral: make sure to test it with a database that can't ever become ready :) |
| 12:06:17 | * | bluebrother will test fixes on h120 |
| 12:08:34 | Slasheri | sideral: i think you should add something bool tagcache_is_fully_initialized(void) { return tc_stat.readyvalid; } |
| 12:08:35 | sideral | can you open an FS task? I don't have time to handle this right now. Please also explain how I can make a DB that never becomes ready :) |
| 12:09:15 | bluebrother | sideral: see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11865 |
| 12:10:00 | * | bluebrother can now reproduce it on Ipod Mini |
| 12:10:01 | Slasheri | sideral: you shouldn't change the tagcache_is_initialized() function however, because then boot times would get higher (there is a loop in main.c checking that) |
| 12:10:06 | sideral | ah ok |
| 12:13:41 | Slasheri | sideral: in fact i think that was originally a design idea to not synchronously wait until tagcache gets ready when starting playback.. So that from the event pressing power button to that first track playing should be as low as possible. |
| 12:14:37 | Slasheri | H1xx players should be best in that respect with all the dircache and tagcache hibernation stuff enabled. There was pretty much optimization on that :) |
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| 12:18:28 | sideral | we could make the wait dependant on autoresume being enabled, which is where it is needed |
| 12:18:46 | Slasheri | indeed, that sounds good |
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| 12:35:15 | CIA-7 | New commit by teru (r29058): fix FS #11835: %Lt tag doesn't work on targets with more than 1 screen. |
| 12:39:21 | CIA-7 | r29058 build result: All green |
| 12:51:46 | sideral | Slasheri: is there any documentation on what the various DB states mean? |
| 12:53:47 | * | jhMikeS thinks he sees the bug in the AMS PCM driver |
| 12:55:15 | jhMikeS | it seems that it pre-decrements the size remaining which will wreak havoc with the datarace guards in mpegplayer when other drivers post-decrement |
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| 12:56:48 | jhMikeS | it's not the only bug there either |
| 12:57:07 | Slasheri | sideral: initialized == tagcache thread started, buffers allocated and possible committing has been done. ready == a valid tagcache database found on disk and everything is operational. readyvalid == if ready is still false, the db is not becoming ready |
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| 13:14:00 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29059): Fix problem with AMS PCM driver that caused mpegplayer lockup. It pre-decremented the size remaining where it is supposed to be post-decremented by ... |
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| 13:17:08 | pixelma | jhMikeS: could those bugs also cause problems with recording (I think I saw a bug report, not sure though), or the often described hiss? |
| 13:17:47 | CIA-7 | r29059 build result: All green |
| 13:18:28 | jhMikeS | it seems to have been done properly for recording |
| 13:20:15 | jhMikeS | other problems might have to do with the peculiar memory setup (maybe I'll just change it all when I'm not sleepy) :) |
| 13:21:04 | pixelma | alright, thanks for looking into it at all :) |
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| 13:28:57 | jhMikeS | np, guess I'll close the task opened by Progweed when it's confirmed fixed |
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| 13:59:11 | sideral | Slasheri: thanks! |
| 13:59:17 | sideral | bluebrother: Pretty nice and complete analysis you've done for FS #11865 −− thanks! I'll try to look into this tonight. |
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| 14:28:08 | newClipUser | I got another FAT corrupt error on my clip+ :( |
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| 15:27:33 | [Saint] | JdGordon| is %Vi(label,X,X,X,X,-) and %VI(label) correct? |
| 15:28:09 | [Saint] | that's V small i, V big I |
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| 15:32:13 | [Saint] | This whole theme totally relies on a conditional UI viewport, and the theme editor seems to know *of* this function, but not how to correctly display it. |
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| 16:00:52 | sideral | newClipUser: It could be this issue: FS #11877. Or it could simply be that you've used the OF in between, which (I noticed on my ClipV2) sometimes does not update the 2nd FAT when it creates or updates its magic files in the ##MUSIC and ##PORT folders |
| 16:01:36 | sideral | (which is benign) |
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| 16:03:40 | sideral | Next time it happens, can you check whether the corruptions go away without fixing when you reconnect to the host or reboot to the OF? |
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| 16:28:26 | TheSeven | ipod nano 4g: ARM1176JZF-S running at 266MHz (default) |
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| 16:40:23 | [Saint] | sheesh. |
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| 17:09:50 | TheSeven | [Saint]: i bet we could get that up to ~500Mhz |
| 17:10:05 | TheSeven | the same core is used in the ipod touch 2g :) |
| 17:10:37 | [Saint] | wow...move over gigabeast ;) |
| 17:10:50 | TheSeven | exactly |
| 17:12:06 | [Saint] | heh...you could watch widescreen DVD rips on it ;) |
| 17:12:44 | [Saint] | How long have you been playing with a Nano4G for? |
| 17:15:31 | TheSeven | hmm i have one since about half a year ago i'd guess |
| 17:15:37 | TheSeven | but i haven't done much with it so far |
| 17:16:08 | [Saint] | I have one NIB....somewhere. |
| 17:16:58 | [Saint] | I have a NIB 5th gen too...but the 5th gen is "less MIB" (I actually opened this box and looked at it) |
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| 17:17:09 | [Saint] | *NIB |
| 17:17:26 | [Saint] | the Min In Black have little, or nothing to do with this. |
| 17:17:40 | [Saint] | *men |
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| 18:03:06 | Whoop | Hi, I just put rockbox on my sansa clip+ and to discover you can't mount it via usb without the OF >_< |
| 18:03:09 | Whoop | How can I dual boot? |
| 18:06:49 | Whoop | Oh wait, apparently it can - you just need to shut it down first |
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| 18:11:20 | [Saint] | correct, additionally, dual-boot is described in our fine manual. |
| 18:11:31 | [Saint] | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html |
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| 18:13:56 | Whoop | Thanks :) |
| 18:14:01 | * | Whoop suspects just turning off is easier |
| 18:14:08 | Whoop | so i'll stick with that for the moment, ty |
| 18:16:34 | Whoop | Is it safe for me to remove applications nad games just by deleting their files? |
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| 18:45:41 | TheSeven | Whoop: it should be safe, but they take barely any space anyway |
| 18:46:03 | Whoop | thanks |
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| 20:42:13 | denisesballs | hey all. on a sansa clip+ i'm seeing my microsd card in files but not the database. tried initializing and rebooting. at one point i could only see the sd card and not the internal music. what am i missing? |
| 20:42:29 | denisesballs | annnnnnnnd nvm |
| 20:42:35 | denisesballs | theyre there all of a sudden |
| 20:43:49 | sideral | Slasheri: After pondering the wait-for-DB before 1st track starts issue some more: Don't you think a user who's enabled runtime statistics would be willing to wait a little bit for the 1st track after poweron in exchange for the feature he's enabled actually working correctly? |
| 20:43:58 | | Part denisesballs |
| 20:45:56 | sideral | especially as playback will be starting already (unless autoresume is also enabled) −− just the gui will take a bit longer to respond to keypresses |
| 20:46:04 | Slasheri | sideral: that depends, because missing runtime data would only affect missing ratings, playcount or something like that on wps (if customised). However, all statistics should be updated correctly when the track has finished |
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| 20:48:37 | Slasheri | sideral: i prefer that a missing value in wps is "better" than a longer boot time until playback starts |
| 20:49:14 | sideral | no it won't if the 1st lookup fails |
| 20:49:23 | TheSeven | Luca_S: system controller, in this case all the clock generation and dividers, clock gating, ... |
| 20:49:34 | sideral | but we could fix that |
| 20:50:00 | Slasheri | sideral: ah, it no longer updates statistics for that track if the lookup failed? |
| 20:50:15 | sideral | correct |
| 20:51:53 | [Saint] | If there's one thing I know, it's that an increased boot time will cause just as passionate a debate as this whole "needing to have the database init'ed for a "seemingly unrelated" feature" thing did, if not more. |
| 20:51:55 | Slasheri | sideral: ok, so it's a more complex issue then.. maybe it could be made to re-lookup unless there is side effects for that |
| 20:53:15 | sideral | yeah. but as I said, playback shouldn't be delayed as it is now, the lookup will be done after playback starts. just the gui will wait till the db has become ready and the lookup occurred |
| 20:53:56 | [Saint] | How long could this take? potentialy? |
| 20:54:07 | [Saint] | (worst case, many many small files) |
| 20:54:40 | Slasheri | the delay shouldn't be more than a few seconds |
| 20:55:01 | Slasheri | but should be definately noticeable at least on the H1xx when all optimization features are used |
| 20:55:03 | [Saint] | multifont caused less than that...and it was a HUGE deal. |
| 20:56:28 | [Saint] | Actually...I'm not even certain if it was conclusively proven that multifont *did* extend boot time...just the idea that it might was a huge discussion. |
| 20:56:59 | [Saint] | Just be wary that extended boot times wil cause some heated debates. |
| 20:57:12 | Slasheri | in fact there is a one second sleep in tagcache code between the basic initialization and actual database structure checking and loading.. so that the db wouldn't slow down the boot process |
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| 21:00:32 | Slasheri | sideral: but if only UI would be delayed and not the actual playback, i wouldn't think that as bad problem then |
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| 21:06:07 | [Saint] | How could the UI be delayed without delaying playback? |
| 21:06:33 | [Saint] | if the UI is delayed by X, playback will be delayed by X too...no? |
| 21:09:54 | sideral | no, the codec starts before the lookup, asynchronously (unless you use autoresume, in which case you _want_ to wait for the lookup of the resume offset |
| 21:09:56 | sideral | ) |
| 21:13:48 | [Saint] | I suppose I'm looking at it too literally...they way I understand it, if the UI is delayed by X, then playback must be delayed by X also as the user would be prevented from commencing playback by the delayed UI, even if it were *possible* to commence playback at that time (were it not for the delayed UI). |
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| 21:17:43 | sideral | Saint: literally, it's only the audio thread that's delayed a bit (while waiting for the DB to become ready) after the first track has started, so only GUI stuff that manipulates audio will have to wait a bit after the first track has started |
| 21:19:44 | sideral | an to repeat, this wait only happens if the user wants playback stats |
| 21:20:32 | sideral | if it was really a problem, we could also work towards making the DB lookup fully asynchronous |
| 21:22:25 | TheSeven | gevaerts: which one was the rather trivial executable format you suggested for pebbles? |
| 21:22:48 | TheSeven | i don't mean that GOT thing, but the other runtime-relocating format you suggested back then |
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| 22:45:52 | Dhraakellian | theme editor doesn't understand the bar tags, does it |
| 22:50:47 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 22:52:46 | [Saint] | Oh, it *might* have some of the early bar tag logic in there...it certainly isn't anywhere near current SVN though. |
| 22:53:03 | BRi7X | wow i just saw on the main page that rockbox is being ported to android? what does that entail exactly? like a rockbox app or a complete replacement of android or what? |
| 22:53:15 | [Saint] | Or even 3.7/.1 release, for that matter. |
| 22:53:21 | [Saint] | Dhraakellian: ^ |
| 22:53:21 | Dhraakellian | okay, well, at least it gives me visualization for *where* the bar wil lbe |
| 22:53:36 | B4gder | BRi7X: an app |
| 22:53:44 | [Saint] | BRi7X: Not being, *is*. |
| 22:53:59 | [Saint] | And think of Rockbox...but, on your phone. |
| 22:54:14 | Dhraakellian | BRi7X: haven't tried it recently, and even when I did, it was an early version running on an alpha/beta-quality port of Android to the Nokia n900, but it was serviceable |
| 22:54:20 | Dhraakellian | probably much, *much* better now |
| 22:54:27 | BRi7X | reason i said being is that it's listed under 'unusable' haha. but damn that's interesting, i was trying to decide whether i should get a windows phone or an android phone |
| 22:54:37 | Dhraakellian | and the n900/maemo port is actually looking pretty good |
| 22:54:50 | Dhraakellian | just needs some better keybindings, ithink |
| 22:55:00 | BRi7X | so it runs on top of the android software then? |
| 22:55:18 | B4gder | BRi7X: yes, as an app for android |
| 22:55:20 | [Saint] | There's a choice between WinMo and Android?!? ;) |
| 22:55:24 | BRi7X | sweet |
| 22:55:35 | Dhraakellian | BRi7X: I think it's basically a touchscreen simulator, but better integrated |
| 22:55:44 | Dhraakellian | touchscreen-target sim |
| 22:56:01 | Dhraakellian | BRi7X: go with Android. |
| 22:56:14 | [Saint] | amen. |
| 22:56:56 | BRi7X | oh i will haha |
| 22:58:05 | Dhraakellian | Or, if you're feeling supergeeky, go with a Nokia n900 and then install MeeGo when the next version comes out |
| 22:58:41 | B4gder | this is off-topic though, and meego isn't targeted for n900 |
| 22:59:28 | Dhraakellian | B4gder: well, if the maemo port runs on maemo4... |
| 22:59:50 | Dhraakellian | why not also Maemo6/harmattan ( = meego on the n900) |
| 22:59:57 | Dhraakellian | but yes, point taken |
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| 23:00:15 | amiconn | ghah |
| 23:00:23 | Dhraakellian | chastened |
| 23:00:30 | amiconn | Cygwin obviously doesn't want me to build the new m68k toolchain :( |
| 23:02:08 | amiconn | The weird 'fork' error always happens (and always in the same place) when using gcc 4.3.4. Because of that I tried the "classic" cygwin gcc (3.4.4). That one fails with "onfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" in libmpfr :( |
| 23:03:05 | [Saint] | isn't CygWin GCC at 4.50 now? |
| 23:03:14 | [Saint] | 4.5.0 |
| 23:03:41 | * | [Saint] checks. |
| 23:03:46 | [Saint] | yep. |
| 23:04:18 | amiconn | That must be very new then |
| 23:04:38 | [Saint] | I haven't updated in a few weeks at least. |
| 23:05:18 | amiconn | Hmm, cygwin setup doesn't offer an update for gcc4 |
| 23:05:36 | [Saint] | No...weird eh. |
| 23:06:01 | [Saint] | iirc, I went from 4.3.4 to 4.5.0 |
| 23:06:10 | amiconn | Well, I can select it manually |
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| 23:06:45 | amiconn | 4.3.4 still seems to be default (if you install stuff that requires gcc4 - otherwise it's still the old trusty 3.4.4) |
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| 23:17:06 | amiconn | attempt #5 |
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| 23:40:24 | [Saint] | Is the fontpack not built daily? |
| 23:44:38 | [Saint] | "We have a font-pack that is built every day with a bunch of extra fonts. Get it here!" <−−- Last modified: 23-Sep-2009 ( http://download.rockbox.org/daily/fonts/ ) |
| 23:45:35 | [Saint] | and, we stop users from uploading fonts to the themesite so that they don't accidently *down*-grade their fonts... |
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