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#rockbox log for 2011-01-19

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00:46:18[Saint]JdGordon1: what would you think about allowing a theme to contain a .kbd file?
00:47:44[Saint]Is that a hard no? I understand that it shouldn't be allowed to be set in the cfg. but...I don't see why one can't be included.
00:48:14JdGordon1oh ah
00:48:20JdGordon1you're talking themesite, not theme
00:48:35JdGordon1which means I'm nott he one to talk to :D
00:48:57[Saint]well...not necessarily...but I'm just putting it out there.
00:49:05Torneit would seem *slightly* weird to allow the file in ther ebut not allow it to be in the cfg
00:51:10[Saint]Yeah, I wouldn't want to force it on a user, but I go to the extra effort of making a basic latin charset .kbd file for my themes because if you have a large iconset loaded the built in keyboard can look all kinds of crap.
00:51:46[Saint]the line selector tries to include a Y height icon, in an X height line looks, yuck.
00:54:38[Saint]I believe it would be possible to make .kbd files based on the built in keyboard, so that userfont would be used instead of sysfont...if that is a more appropriate idea.
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01:04:41[Saint]JdGordon1: where does .fms art go again?
01:04:49[Saint]it's some magic foldername, no?
01:05:06kugel_[Saint]: speaking of iconsets, I never said (or meant to imply) that I wouldn't like your icons. I just dislike the idea that we have icons in svn for different screen sizes that don't match
01:05:38kugel_and I said it would be fine if the one in svn would be changed to match your icons. you said that's more likely to happen but you didn't do anything about yet
01:06:12[Saint]I don't necessarily see why I have to be the one to do it ;)
01:06:46kugel_you seem to have the required talent :)
01:07:23[Saint]the icon system needs a big shake-up in my opinion.
01:07:40kugel_in fact, I use your icons since a long time, but IMO it's not suitable for svn to have a mismatch in the shipped icons
01:07:52[Saint]that's the reason why the icons differ in the first place, I tried to math what we use them for, instead of their intended purpose.
01:08:18[Saint]there's at least 5 icons in there that never get used.
01:08:38[Saint]and about the same that get used for something other than their function suggests.
01:09:12[Saint]like...svn cabbie has a lightbulb icon for the yes/no!?
01:09:24[Saint]I replaced that with a question mark...seems sane.
01:09:48[Saint]the icon function is actually called questionmark...yet cabbie iconset thinks a lightbulb will do ;)
01:10:17Torneyeah the icons are a bit odd
01:10:25Tornea few of the assignments of icons in the source are a bit dubious too
01:10:37Tornei fixed the system menu ages ago to use the same icon as system settings instead of questionmark :)
01:10:39[Saint]I'd be more than happy to work on a global iconset, if the system behind the icons was refined ;)
01:11:14kugel_what's wrong with the system behind?
01:11:42[Saint]viewers are pretty messed up.
01:11:42JdGordon1 [Saint] in the folder with the presets iirc
01:11:51[Saint]JdGordon1: thanks.
01:12:00Torneviewer icons are weird/broken, yes
01:12:05Tornesystem icons are ok
01:12:14[Saint]it's absolutely impossible to get viewers working right it seems...
01:12:23[Saint]even with an accurate .icons file.
01:13:07[Saint]been like this for as long as I've been snooping around here, it's actually been improved a bit...but still quite broken.
01:14:05kugel_that's quite possibly true
01:14:27kugel_I'm not into the icons very much but I know we need bigger ones :)
01:15:24[Saint]yeah, the one thing I don't really like is that a lot of things don'e seem to respect the icon function name, or the iconset doesn't accurately represent the function.
01:15:42[Saint]the idea that I tweaked the RaaA iconset around that brokenness is terrible.
01:16:13JdGordon1the icon set names are very arbitrary
01:17:05[Saint]I suppose...I tried to fit the RaaA iconset around what we actually use them for.
01:17:27[Saint]a lot of them the use case reflects the function, but the icon (cabbie svn) is
01:18:03kugel_fix it :)
01:18:26TorneThe problem with it there is some of that seemed to have gone circular
01:18:35Tornewhere uses of the icon end up being based on the icon in cabbie
01:18:39Tornerather than the abstract description :)
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01:19:36[Saint]I can fix the iconset...but the way viewers are defined is beyond me (I've looked, and it *should* work from what I can see), and..
01:19:41[Saint]what Torne just said.
01:19:44[Saint]yes, that.
01:20:31Torneanyway yes i am bothered by these things so if ou have suggestions bug me to change things
01:22:05[Saint]iirc teru tried to look into the broken viewers thing once upon a tiem.
01:22:13[Saint]*time too
01:25:38[Saint]It will be a pretty big undertaking, but I'll grab the current Tango! iconset (bloody thing is always changing) and start looking into making a global iconset.
01:26:26[Saint]I'm thinking of introducing new sizes, also. I'm thinking 12x12, 16x16 and 24x24
01:27:30[Saint]16x16 would look nice on the beast/Video/etc.
01:27:48[Saint]ondas too.
01:33:45kugel_I wouldn't stop you from making even bigger icons :) 24x24 is a bit too small for high dpi screens
01:34:11kugel_the onda's default font is cleary not thumb friendly
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01:35:39[Saint]Hmmm...what was it? "But I don't have to care about larger screens" ;)
01:36:18JdGordon1the code currently hardcodes 24x24 as the largets it will acccept
01:36:32kugeloh it does?
01:36:46[Saint]yes, that was a big factor in my decision to make a 24px iconset :P
01:37:11[Saint]there's npthing to stop it being increased from what I could tell though.
01:37:16[Saint]*nothing too
01:37:24kugelexcept the binsize crowd of course :)
01:37:51kugelthe binsize crowd also worries about ramsize, yes :)
01:37:56kugelram usage even
01:39:12kugelcould it be allocated on the skin buffer?
01:39:41[Saint]it could...but you'd probably want to increase the skin buffer then too making it irrelevant.
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01:40:41[Saint]otherwise themes that just scraped in before would suddenly stop working.
01:41:00kugeleven if we increase the skin buffer by the amount the current hardcoded array takes, it allows bigger skins with smaller icons and bigger icons so a win
01:42:47[Saint]Hmmm...good point.
01:42:47[Saint]what does Android use for hdpi icons?
01:42:47[Saint]74x74 no?
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01:43:55JdGordon174x74x32(x2?) is alot of ram
01:44:56[Saint]yeah...and you wouldn't want to start handling RaaA icons in a completely different way I assume.
01:45:20kugel74x74 is too large
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01:45:54[Saint]but that is the hdpi icon size they expect no?
01:45:55kugelthe current font is 35px high, so I think 32px would work well
01:46:03[Saint]"they" being Android
01:46:36kugelwe talk about the icons we use in lists, not icons android uses for its widgets
01:48:09[Saint]wouldn't it look nicer if the lists used the native icon size for the platform?
01:48:21[Saint]it means me work for me though... ;)
01:48:39[Saint]it would also mean we need more fonts.
01:48:52[Saint](and AA fonts too :P)
01:49:55kugelwhy is it more work for you?
01:50:10kugelmost of android's lists don't even have an icon
01:50:10gevaerts64x64 (or similar) would actually allow for some interesting theme experiments on small screen players, like e.g. having only one menu option visible at a time (like some OFs do)
01:50:25[Saint]it would mean makiing more iconsets.
01:50:31gevaertsI guess doing that "right" may need more than just big icons though
01:50:38[Saint]more iconsets of more resolutions == more work ;)
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03:17:44veeanybody know if there's a patch for rockbox so ipods can play in cars via usb?
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03:30:50Tornevee: we support some variants of the ipod accessory protocol but modern car head units use a very recent and quite complicated protocol that we have virtually no idea how it works
03:31:08Tornevee: unfortunately none of the specs are available and nobody has taken the time to reverse engineer it at this point
03:31:30veeoo, yea i have a new sony DSX-S300BTX
03:32:39veejust updated the rockbox on my bw 4th gen and i see some of the usb modes have been fixed, loving that
03:33:47veethe stereo's themselves are using the software on the device to play or just as a portable hdd and it finds the itunes folder, ect ?
03:34:03TorneNot entirely sure.
03:34:31TorneI *believe* the way it works, at least for *some* devices, is that the stereo talks a magical protocol over SCSI requests which basically lets them browse the itunesdb contents without having to parse it themselves, i.e. the ipod firmware does that bit
03:34:44Tornethen once it selects a track the ipod basically just tells the head unit where the file for that track is
03:34:53Torneand then the head unit reads that using normal disk access and decodes it itself
03:35:01Tornebut this is about 95% speculation
03:35:06Tornebased on stuff i've read on the internet
03:35:13Tornei don't have such a device to test it out
03:35:30veeyea sounds like a long project to start
03:35:32Torneit's also possible that there's more than one way this is done and that even if what i described *is* one of theoptoins, not all units work that way
03:35:56Torneif i owned a device that did it i would probably be interested in reversing it
03:36:12Tornebut since I don't it's impractical, and i wouldn't really be too motivated to do it with a borrowed device
03:36:22veemakes sense
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03:38:34Torneolder devices like remote controls/docks/etc use a much simpler protocol which was much easier to reverse, and were already reversed by various unofficial accessory manufacturers, so the info for that is mostly around online already :)
03:39:22veewell that stuff is probably patched into the newest build, or is that in the patches page only?
03:40:07Tornei think pretty much all accessory support that anyone has written is already committed
03:40:15veewould be nice to load a nix onto the stereo itself, i think it's too new yet
03:40:19Tornethere may be one or two patches around but i think they just add various debug/tracing
03:40:23Tornerather than supporting more stuff
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03:49:14veeso out of curiosity, is there a method to 'sniff' usb signals between devices? (like the stereo and the ipod, or even a computer and the ipod?)
03:52:41TorneYes, but depending exactly what you want to do it can be a pain without specialised equipment
03:52:52Tornewe do have a USB protocol analyser box somewhere that belongs to the project, though
03:53:02Tornesome things can be done in software from rockbox
03:53:05Torneit depends.
03:53:08Torneanyway, i'm off ;)
03:53:15veethanks for the infos, Torne
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04:56:40RoDuSis rockbox and app or os replacement?
05:00:55RoDuScan it be multi-boot, can my android touchpad boot like smartq?
05:01:35[Saint]it's an App for Android...not an OS replacement.
05:01:46[Saint]it's an OS replacement for various DAPs
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05:06:40RoDuScan sone one here give me advice on flashing telechips 9802 hsg-x5a?
05:06:59RoDuSis there a channel for it
05:10:14JdGordon1if there is, this isnt the place
05:11:07RoDuSi bet you do alot of forums huh?
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05:11:28[Saint]just one.
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06:41:40[Saint]kugel (logs): from something you mentioned earlier regarding Android and list seems as though all the main lists have an icon, but sub-lists/menus don't.
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06:42:13[Saint]I don't think it would be such a bad thing if we took the icon size from the host.
06:42:44NikolasZan news abaut nano 4g?,need beta tester?
06:43:11[Saint]there's no port for the nano4g
06:43:29[Saint]that won't suddenly change.
06:44:18NikolasZdamn,this toy cost alot when comes out, now is kinda useless toy
06:45:47NikolasZis there anything i can do,for nano 4g?
06:47:23[Saint]If you don't have any coding skills, then no, no really.
06:47:34[Saint]*not really
06:48:02NikolasZi dont have coding skills :(
06:48:56NikolasZmayne you guys need to put adwertisement, for othersto attrract coders for devices, in deep forum i found there is problem sometimes..
06:49:15NikolasZsorry abaut reallybad english:(
06:49:41[Saint]the probalem is that there isn't any documentation.
06:50:03[Saint]it doesn't matter how many people work on it if you have no idea what you're working with, or how to work with it.
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06:51:36NikolasZMaybe tra to ask documents from chip makers?, device makers?, and im wery shure you guys try with that too :), im not wery helpful here, i see...
06:51:51[Saint]if there was documentation for the hardware, then it wouldn't be a problem...someone would just have to write the code.
06:52:04[Saint]Instead, everything needs to be reverse engineered.
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06:52:40[Saint]and no...they don't give out that information, for a very good reason.
06:53:13mystica555trade secrecy is a pain in the ass, but it protects their profits.
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06:55:52[Saint]I would love to see the response (if any was given) to a "Dear Apple, I can haz plz source codez?" email.
06:57:15NikolasZAnd samsung as chip maker, dont have document, for same chip? And thats only chip manufactured only for apple?
06:58:12[Saint]If you're very lucky you can work from a datasheet from a similar chip.
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06:59:34mystica555[Saint]: i bet itd be a jobs 1liner: "no."
06:59:49mystica555one-worder even
07:00:00[Saint]but, you kind of need to know how all the parts of the puzzle fit together. It's not too much use knowing how just one part works.
07:00:54[Saint]or, you can even understand the hardware to a great extent, and not be able to get third party code running on it.
07:02:21NikolasZis ok, many chip docu(secrets) cames out when product, devices are old.
07:14:08NikolasZgoto go, gl, guys, cya soon!
07:15:05JdGordon1[Saint]: did you get your galaxy theme running in the sdl-app yet?
07:15:35[Saint]I haven't compiled an SDL app.
07:15:45JdGordon1ah, so you're still on the edtir?
07:15:55[Saint]themesite seems to think it's, I'm stumped.
07:16:15JdGordon1its online?
07:17:03[Saint]I'm still waiting for a laorious DL to finish before I can compile an svn .apk and test all the later additions.
07:17:38[Saint]and no, I tried uploading it to the onda page, knowing it would fail due to the backdrop.
07:18:05[Saint](assuming I'd get a helpful hint on any broken touch syntax)
07:18:26[Saint]it running fine in gigabeast sim proves the rest of the syntax is correct.
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10:15:27CIA-7New commit by jethead71 (r29088): AS3525: Implement a true audio pause and full-resolution audio tick. Take care of a few atomic hotspots.
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11:08:30digiw0rxhey guys
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11:10:14digiw0rxanyone know, if theres any possiblity of a nano 3g port?
11:11:37stripwaxit's a possibility. check out
11:11:59stripwaxin particular:
11:12:41digiw0rxoo its getting there!
11:12:50stripwaxno drivers have been written for lcd or flash memory yet though (both pretty critical!) - maybe you can help?
11:13:49digiw0rxim not the best programmer tbh lol
11:13:52digiw0rxi can have a look thjo
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11:23:46eddiecoylegood afternoon everyone, I'm an idiot .I'm trying to register at the forums but I can't seem to get past the verification questions
11:24:14eddiecoyleWhat am I supposed to enter in the box next to "Please enter the following phrase - no spam:"
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11:25:19eddiecoyleokay okay I figured it out
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11:26:32*[Saint] wonders how many people take that lierally, and enter "no spam".
11:26:43[Saint]*literally, even.
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11:49:16splintyHi all, I have a 5g 80gig iPod and just installed the current version of rockbox. I have existing music on the iPod so when I try access my music it starts to rebuild the db. Problem is. It doesn't seem to stop scanning. I have about 10k of songs But it counts to over 100k. Any ideas?
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12:02:12[Saint]when it's scanning, it's not reporting only media files.
12:02:24[Saint]rather every file on the device.
12:02:41pixelmasplinty: how long is it already scanning and did you chose "update" (or have auto-update enabled) - or "initialize"? By the way the number doesn't represent files but all items, AFAIK even directories are counted
12:06:01splintyIt's scanning nearly an hour now. And I tried to access the db and it said initialise. It's currently on "building database -44k found"
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12:11:46pixelmathat's quite a bit too long. I just thought that update/auto-update without dircache takes longer than one might expect but that's really too long
12:13:51pixelmain most of the cases this is caused by broken or too big tags (like e.g. really long comments or large embedded album art) in one or more files
12:14:15splintyOne other thing. I had installed rb yesterday and it scanned db fine and gave access. Last night I had an error with it not picking up new media so I enabled auto update and for some reason the device crashed. I revolted and it gave me a blackscreen error so I decided to uninstall rockbox and the bootloader and then reinstall
12:14:30splintyIt uninstalled rb but not the bootloader
12:15:20splintySo I reinstalled rb and it won't scan the db correctly since. Is there a db table it could be reading that is falsely identifying files?
12:15:26pixelmasounds like there could be filesystem errors? Did you check the disk?
12:16:41splintyNot yet. Is there a way of doing that on the device or with the rb utility?
12:17:05splinty(it's up to 50k now by the way)
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12:23:16splintyAnd now the battery has just died on me :( sigh. It doesn't appear to be meant to be
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12:28:03pixelmayou check the filesystem with some tools of your PC's operating system, e.g. on Windows it would be chkdsk
12:28:39[Saint]refusing to uninstall the bootloader, or not being able to rather, is something I have seen on my devices before with filesystem errors.
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12:46:21splintyOk. Would it be safe to let chkdsk repair the drive?
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12:59:14[Saint]chkdsk should be able to repair the errors, if it finds any, yes. but you don't have to have it make any changes, you can choose not to repair/try to repair fs error is finds (if any)
13:01:00[Saint]if filesystems errors are found and chkdsk can't repair them, iTunes should be able to resotre the player to a default state, at the cost of losing the data on it.
13:01:14[Saint](though you can back up data before restoring)
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13:09:54splintySo just run chkdsk :e /f and see how it goes?
13:14:46[Saint]I don't run chkdsk from the commandline personally, so I couldn't comment there.
13:22:37splintyOk it's done. I'm goin to rescan the db now but is there any settings I should have? Auto update is on
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13:29:13mudd1I can't create bookmarks anymore ... previously I had deleted a directory (including some bookmark files) on the SD card
13:29:33mudd1Is there a connection? Is this a bug? Or something stupid I did?
13:30:00mudd1I tried to delete the recent bookmarks file but that didn't fix the problem
13:34:05terumudd1: how did you start playback? you cannot create bookmarks in certain cases. e.g. when you start the playback from database.
13:34:33mudd1I created the playlist from the file browser
13:34:57mudd1this is the usual way I create playlists and it used to work with bookmarks
13:35:18mudd1but I admit I didn't get my head around the whole bookmarking thing yet
13:35:20mudd1it confuses me
13:35:29mudd1as do playlists actually
13:35:51mudd1but I don't want to start a usability discussion ... again ;)
13:38:40mudd1Am I right that it's a difference whether I create a playlist by just starting a track in the file browser or by using the context menu as I have to to recursively add music in a directory?
13:40:34teruif you use the context menu to start playback, then you cannot create bookmark.
13:40:43mudd1ah ok
13:40:46mudd1that explains it
13:40:51mudd1kind of at least ;)
13:41:16mudd1so is there a way to recursively add tracks in a directory tree without disabling bookmarks?
13:41:40terucreate a playlist file.
13:42:17mudd1so I create a dynamic playlist as before but then save it in a file and then it works?
13:43:31terucontext menu -> playlist catalog -> new playlist (or somethinglike) or start playback and select "save current playlist" in context menu of WPS
13:43:54mudd1thanks a lot teru and sorry for probably not reading the manual carefully enough
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13:49:31Mic92Can I bookmark the last position in podcasts/audio books with rockbox?
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13:56:57Mic92n1s: Link for this?
13:57:28n1sMic92: it's described in the manual, i think
13:58:31n1syou can do it from the wps context menu
14:01:20Mic92I need a new Player, but I'm undecided which one.
14:02:56Mic92I heard of this project some times ago and thought why don't try this firmware.
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14:12:02Mic92How you think about this one:
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14:21:44Mic92Ok, I ordered it.
14:23:28Mic92When rockbox run on my player, i'm gonna try the luaplugin. Sounds cool.
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15:34:33CIA-7New commit by nls (r29092): Enable AB repeat for the Gigabeat S, this will break lang string/voice clip order for this target so update your voice file.
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15:44:30n1shmm, no that string was actually unconditional so it doesn't affect voice files
15:44:53n1soh, well
15:47:28pixelmahmm, I thought that A-B repeat is enabled on all players now (maybe except the charcell one), but that there are two ways to control it (one with players having enough buttons for setting an A and a B marker and reset independently and the other for players that only had one spare button to cycle through setting the markers and reset)
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15:48:36n1spixelma: i don't know why we have a separate enable define for it and it is enabled for the archos player
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15:50:41n1sthe gogearhdd* targets, nano2g, ipod classic, ipod 1g-3g are the usable ports that don't have it enabled afaict
15:51:27n1sthe weird thing is that the keymaps and even key macros were already there for the beast so maybe it got disabled by accident?
15:51:35pixelmalooks more like an oversight to me
15:52:29n1sunless there are issues with the nano2g and ipod classic they could just enable it as well since keys will be the same as for all other newer ipods
15:53:29n1spixelma: do you think it's worth it to introduce a new "feature" to exclude the description of the a-b repeat for targets that dojn' thave it?
15:54:08pixelmait once was disabled for targets with not enough buttons until this one button control scheme was developed (and that's using the same button as used for something else I believe so this might be the reason why it's already in the keymaps)
15:54:37pixelman1s: no, I rather think that every target could have it - if the charcell Player already does...
15:55:06n1syes, the player uses the single button scheme though
15:55:36n1sthe thing with having enable macros like this is that someone needs to remember to enable it for every new port
15:56:24n1sah, the ab repeat set markers is the same as the skip to next/prev dir combos
15:56:28pixelmaindeed, and I guess it's mostly copy-pasting from some other config file - chose the wrong one and you'll miss it
15:57:49n1sok, so now to wait around for people with these targets to test
16:01:08pixelmathe Ondio uses it too and I think I tried and it worked some time ago though so will retry later if you remind me
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16:02:13n1spixelma: i meant wait for people to test enabling it for the targets where it's disabled
16:03:06n1si noticed a small glitch in the beast manual btw, looks like when remote key is missing the description ends up in the remote key column in keymaps, see
16:04:38pixelmanot automatically, then there is a \opt{HAVEREMOTEKEYMAP}{&} missing
16:05:06n1sit has remote keymap but apparently not all actions are mapped on the remote
16:05:19n1ssee the link i posted
16:06:11pixelmamy point was more the "&" as a column seperator for targets which have that opt defined..,
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16:06:43pixelmaif you look at a few lines above, you'll see how it should look like
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16:07:46n1sah, i though it used more magic than that
16:08:46n1shmm, according to that table the same combo is mapped to 2 actions
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18:21:01bluebrotherin Perl, is there a way to put the modifier for a regexp into a variable? And to make it expand $1 and friends in a replacement that comes from a string?
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18:31:52stripwaxbluebrother - for the first bit, i guess you could create your regexp from a variable instead (evaluating your variable to get the actual regexp)
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18:32:47bluebrotherstripwax: I've tried something like my $r = s . $sep . $search . $sep . $replace . $sep . $modifier; $string =~ $r;
18:32:56bluebrotherbut that seems to match never
18:33:21bluebrotherif I use $string =~ s/$search/replace/g; it does match (and replace)
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18:35:48Bagder$string =~ eval($r); ?
18:36:25*bluebrother tries
18:37:02stripwaxor maybe =~ s/($search)/($replace)/($modifier) (but i've never tried that)
18:37:33bluebrotherBagder: Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 29) line 1, near "3g"
18:38:02Bagderyeah, perhaps more of it needs to be within the evail() as $r might not be a full expr
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20:28:28BuscheljhMikeS: your PP502x USB change raises the power consumption by several mA (~ 8mA)
20:28:36Buschelthis is quite a lot...
20:28:53Buschel(measured on iPod Video)
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20:31:13*Buschel is in favour of having more battery lifetime
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20:57:56BuscheljhMikeS: you can easily spot this effect in the "battery view" of the debug menu
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22:23:49fmlHello. I don't know if it has been discussed before, but I'd like to propose a small change to how long lines scroll in RB. I'd like to add a small delay after the end of one "scroll round" and the beginning of the next round so that it's easier to catch the start of the text.
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23:27:04[Saint]fml: (logs) isn't that what biderectional scroll limit and scroll start delay are for?
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