#rockbox 2011-01-19

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00:46:18	[Saint]	JdGordon1: what would you think about allowing a theme to contain a .kbd file?
00:46:30	JdGordon1	no
00:47:44	[Saint]	Is that a hard no? I understand that it shouldn't be allowed to be set in the cfg. but...I don't see why one can't be included.
00:48:14	JdGordon1	oh ah
00:48:20	JdGordon1	you're talking themesite, not theme
00:48:29	[Saint]	yeah.
00:48:35	JdGordon1	which means I'm nott he one to talk to :D
00:48:57	[Saint]	well...not necessarily...but I'm just putting it out there.
00:49:05	Torne	it would seem slightly weird to allow the file in ther ebut not allow it to be in the cfg
00:51:10	[Saint]	Yeah, I wouldn't want to force it on a user, but I go to the extra effort of making a basic latin charset .kbd file for my themes because if you have a large iconset loaded the built in keyboard can look all kinds of crap.
00:51:46	[Saint]	the line selector tries to include a Y height icon, in an X height line selector...it looks, yuck.
00:54:38	[Saint]	I believe it would be possible to make .kbd files based on the built in keyboard, so that userfont would be used instead of sysfont...if that is a more appropriate idea.
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01:04:41	[Saint]	JdGordon1: where does .fms art go again?
01:04:49	[Saint]	it's some magic foldername, no?
01:05:06	kugel_	[Saint]: speaking of iconsets, I never said (or meant to imply) that I wouldn't like your icons. I just dislike the idea that we have icons in svn for different screen sizes that don't match
01:05:38	kugel_	and I said it would be fine if the one in svn would be changed to match your icons. you said that's more likely to happen but you didn't do anything about yet
01:06:12	[Saint]	I don't necessarily see why I have to be the one to do it ;)
01:06:46	kugel_	you seem to have the required talent :)
01:07:23	[Saint]	the icon system needs a big shake-up in my opinion.
01:07:40	kugel_	in fact, I use your icons since a long time, but IMO it's not suitable for svn to have a mismatch in the shipped icons
01:07:52	[Saint]	that's the reason why the icons differ in the first place, I tried to math what we use them for, instead of their intended purpose.
01:08:04	[Saint]	*match
01:08:18	[Saint]	there's at least 5 icons in there that never get used.
01:08:38	[Saint]	and about the same that get used for something other than their function suggests.
01:09:12	[Saint]	like...svn cabbie has a lightbulb icon for the yes/no screen...wtf?!?
01:09:24	[Saint]	I replaced that with a question mark...seems sane.
01:09:48	[Saint]	the icon function is actually called questionmark...yet cabbie iconset thinks a lightbulb will do ;)
01:10:17	Torne	yeah the icons are a bit odd
01:10:25	Torne	a few of the assignments of icons in the source are a bit dubious too
01:10:37	Torne	i fixed the system menu ages ago to use the same icon as system settings instead of questionmark :)
01:10:39	[Saint]	I'd be more than happy to work on a global iconset, if the system behind the icons was refined ;)
01:11:14	kugel_	what's wrong with the system behind?
01:11:42	[Saint]	viewers are pretty messed up.
01:11:42	JdGordon1	[Saint] in the folder with the presets iirc
01:11:51	[Saint]	JdGordon1: thanks.
01:12:00	Torne	viewer icons are weird/broken, yes
01:12:05	Torne	system icons are ok
01:12:14	[Saint]	it's absolutely impossible to get viewers working right it seems...
01:12:23	[Saint]	even with an accurate .icons file.
01:13:07	[Saint]	been like this for as long as I've been snooping around here, it's actually been improved a bit...but still quite broken.
01:14:05	kugel_	that's quite possibly true
01:14:27	kugel_	I'm not into the icons very much but I know we need bigger ones :)
01:15:24	[Saint]	yeah, the one thing I don't really like is that a lot of things don'e seem to respect the icon function name, or the iconset doesn't accurately represent the function.
01:15:42	[Saint]	the idea that I tweaked the RaaA iconset around that brokenness is terrible.
01:16:00	[Saint]	*don't
01:16:13	JdGordon1	the icon set names are very arbitrary
01:17:05	[Saint]	I suppose...I tried to fit the RaaA iconset around what we actually use them for.
01:17:27	[Saint]	a lot of them the use case reflects the function, but the icon (cabbie svn) is just...wtf?
01:18:03	kugel_	fix it :)
01:18:26	Torne	The problem with it there is some of that seemed to have gone circular
01:18:35	Torne	where uses of the icon end up being based on the icon in cabbie
01:18:39	Torne	rather than the abstract description :)
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01:19:36	[Saint]	I can fix the iconset...but the way viewers are defined is beyond me (I've looked, and it should work from what I can see), and..
01:19:41	[Saint]	what Torne just said.
01:19:44	[Saint]	yes, that.
01:20:31	Torne	anyway yes i am bothered by these things so if ou have suggestions bug me to change things
01:22:05	[Saint]	iirc teru tried to look into the broken viewers thing once upon a tiem.
01:22:13	[Saint]	*time too
01:25:38	[Saint]	It will be a pretty big undertaking, but I'll grab the current Tango! iconset (bloody thing is always changing) and start looking into making a global iconset.
01:26:26	[Saint]	I'm thinking of introducing new sizes, also. I'm thinking 12x12, 16x16 and 24x24
01:27:30	[Saint]	16x16 would look nice on the beast/Video/etc.
01:27:48	[Saint]	ondas too.
01:33:45	kugel_	I wouldn't stop you from making even bigger icons :) 24x24 is a bit too small for high dpi screens
01:34:11	kugel_	the onda's default font is cleary not thumb friendly
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01:35:39	[Saint]	Hmmm...what was it? "But I don't have to care about larger screens" ;)
01:36:18	JdGordon1	the code currently hardcodes 24x24 as the largets it will acccept
01:36:32	kugel	oh it does?
01:36:46	[Saint]	yes, that was a big factor in my decision to make a 24px iconset :P
01:37:11	[Saint]	there's npthing to stop it being increased from what I could tell though.
01:37:16	[Saint]	*nothing too
01:37:19	JdGordon1	nope
01:37:24	kugel	except the binsize crowd of course :)
01:37:31	JdGordon1	ramsize
01:37:51	kugel	the binsize crowd also worries about ramsize, yes :)
01:37:56	kugel	ram usage even
01:39:12	kugel	could it be allocated on the skin buffer?
01:39:41	[Saint]	it could...but you'd probably want to increase the skin buffer then too making it irrelevant.
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01:40:41	[Saint]	otherwise themes that just scraped in before would suddenly stop working.
01:41:00	kugel	even if we increase the skin buffer by the amount the current hardcoded array takes, it allows bigger skins with smaller icons and bigger icons so a win
01:42:47	[Saint]	Hmmm...good point.
01:42:47	[Saint]	what does Android use for hdpi icons?
01:42:47	[Saint]	74x74 no?
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01:43:55	JdGordon1	74x74x32(x2?) is alot of ram
01:44:56	[Saint]	yeah...and you wouldn't want to start handling RaaA icons in a completely different way I assume.
01:45:20	kugel	74x74 is too large
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01:45:54	[Saint]	but that is the hdpi icon size they expect no?
01:45:55	kugel	the current font is 35px high, so I think 32px would work well
01:46:03	[Saint]	"they" being Android
01:46:36	kugel	we talk about the icons we use in lists, not icons android uses for its widgets
01:48:09	[Saint]	wouldn't it look nicer if the lists used the native icon size for the platform?
01:48:21	[Saint]	it means me work for me though... ;)
01:48:39	[Saint]	it would also mean we need more fonts.
01:48:52	[Saint]	(and AA fonts too :P)
01:49:55	kugel	why is it more work for you?
01:50:10	kugel	most of android's lists don't even have an icon
01:50:10	gevaerts	64x64 (or similar) would actually allow for some interesting theme experiments on small screen players, like e.g. having only one menu option visible at a time (like some OFs do)
01:50:25	[Saint]	it would mean makiing more iconsets.
01:50:31	gevaerts	I guess doing that "right" may need more than just big icons though
01:50:38	[Saint]	more iconsets of more resolutions == more work ;)
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03:15:21	vee	blUpE!
03:17:44	vee	anybody know if there's a patch for rockbox so ipods can play in cars via usb?
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03:30:50	Torne	vee: we support some variants of the ipod accessory protocol but modern car head units use a very recent and quite complicated protocol that we have virtually no idea how it works
03:31:08	Torne	vee: unfortunately none of the specs are available and nobody has taken the time to reverse engineer it at this point
03:31:30	vee	oo, yea i have a new sony DSX-S300BTX
03:32:39	vee	just updated the rockbox on my bw 4th gen and i see some of the usb modes have been fixed, loving that
03:33:47	vee	the stereo's themselves are using the software on the device to play or just as a portable hdd and it finds the itunes folder, ect ?
03:34:03	Torne	Not entirely sure.
03:34:31	Torne	I believe the way it works, at least for some devices, is that the stereo talks a magical protocol over SCSI requests which basically lets them browse the itunesdb contents without having to parse it themselves, i.e. the ipod firmware does that bit
03:34:44	Torne	then once it selects a track the ipod basically just tells the head unit where the file for that track is
03:34:53	Torne	and then the head unit reads that using normal disk access and decodes it itself
03:35:01	Torne	but this is about 95% speculation
03:35:06	Torne	based on stuff i've read on the internet
03:35:08	vee	ah
03:35:13	Torne	i don't have such a device to test it out
03:35:30	vee	yea sounds like a long project to start
03:35:32	Torne	it's also possible that there's more than one way this is done and that even if what i described is one of theoptoins, not all units work that way
03:35:56	Torne	if i owned a device that did it i would probably be interested in reversing it
03:36:12	Torne	but since I don't it's impractical, and i wouldn't really be too motivated to do it with a borrowed device
03:36:22	vee	makes sense
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03:38:34	Torne	older devices like remote controls/docks/etc use a much simpler protocol which was much easier to reverse, and were already reversed by various unofficial accessory manufacturers, so the info for that is mostly around online already :)
03:39:22	vee	well that stuff is probably patched into the newest build, or is that in the patches page only?
03:40:07	Torne	i think pretty much all accessory support that anyone has written is already committed
03:40:15	vee	would be nice to load a nix onto the stereo itself, i think it's too new yet
03:40:19	Torne	there may be one or two patches around but i think they just add various debug/tracing
03:40:23	Torne	rather than supporting more stuff
03:40:28	vee	ah
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03:49:14	vee	so out of curiosity, is there a method to 'sniff' usb signals between devices? (like the stereo and the ipod, or even a computer and the ipod?)
03:52:41	Torne	Yes, but depending exactly what you want to do it can be a pain without specialised equipment
03:52:52	Torne	we do have a USB protocol analyser box somewhere that belongs to the project, though
03:53:02	Torne	some things can be done in software from rockbox
03:53:05	Torne	it depends.
03:53:08	Torne	anyway, i'm off ;)
03:53:15	vee	thanks for the infos, Torne
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04:30:53	CIA-7	New commit by jethead71 (r29087): Reset USB devices before turning them off or else presumably the PHY is still enabled after disconnect. After one actual connect, Windows would claim ...
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04:55:28	RoDuS	hello
04:56:40	RoDuS	is rockbox and app or os replacement?
04:59:06	JdGordon1	both
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05:00:55	RoDuS	can it be multi-boot, can my android touchpad boot like smartq?
05:01:35	[Saint]	it's an App for Android...not an OS replacement.
05:01:44	RoDuS	ok
05:01:46	[Saint]	it's an OS replacement for various DAPs
05:01:58	RoDuS	<−−-newb
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05:06:40	RoDuS	can sone one here give me advice on flashing telechips 9802 hsg-x5a?
05:06:59	RoDuS	is there a channel for it
05:10:14	JdGordon1	if there is, this isnt the place
05:11:07	RoDuS	i bet you do alot of forums huh?
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06:41:40	[Saint]	kugel (logs): from something you mentioned earlier regarding Android and list icons...it seems as though all the main lists have an icon, but sub-lists/menus don't.
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06:42:13	[Saint]	I don't think it would be such a bad thing if we took the icon size from the host.
06:42:15	NikolasZ	hy
06:42:44	NikolasZ	an news abaut nano 4g?,need beta tester?
06:42:58	[Saint]	no.
06:43:11	[Saint]	there's no port for the nano4g
06:43:29	[Saint]	that won't suddenly change.
06:44:18	NikolasZ	damn,this toy cost alot when comes out, now is kinda useless toy
06:45:47	NikolasZ	is there anything i can do,for nano 4g?
06:47:23	[Saint]	If you don't have any coding skills, then no, no really.
06:47:34	[Saint]	*not really
06:48:02	NikolasZ	i dont have coding skills :(
06:48:56	NikolasZ	mayne you guys need to put adwertisement, for othersto attrract coders for devices, in deep forum i found there is problem sometimes..
06:49:15	NikolasZ	sorry abaut reallybad english:(
06:49:41	[Saint]	the probalem is that there isn't any documentation.
06:50:03	[Saint]	it doesn't matter how many people work on it if you have no idea what you're working with, or how to work with it.
06:50:08	[Saint]	*problem
06:50:24	NikolasZ	oh..
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06:51:36	NikolasZ	Maybe tra to ask documents from chip makers?, device makers?, and im wery shure you guys try with that too :), im not wery helpful here, i see...
06:51:51	[Saint]	if there was documentation for the hardware, then it wouldn't be a problem...someone would just have to write the code.
06:52:04	[Saint]	Instead, everything needs to be reverse engineered.
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06:52:40	[Saint]	and no...they don't give out that information, for a very good reason.
06:53:13	mystica555	trade secrecy is a pain in the ass, but it protects their profits.
06:53:24	[Saint]	indeed.
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06:55:52	[Saint]	I would love to see the response (if any was given) to a "Dear Apple, I can haz plz source codez?" email.
06:57:15	NikolasZ	And samsung as chip maker, dont have document, for same chip? And thats only chip manufactured only for apple?
06:58:12	[Saint]	If you're very lucky you can work from a datasheet from a similar chip.
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06:59:34	mystica555	[Saint]: i bet itd be a jobs 1liner: "no."
06:59:49	mystica555	one-worder even
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07:00:00	[Saint]	but, you kind of need to know how all the parts of the puzzle fit together. It's not too much use knowing how just one part works.
07:00:54	[Saint]	or, you can even understand the hardware to a great extent, and not be able to get third party code running on it.
07:02:21	NikolasZ	is ok, many chip docu(secrets) cames out when product, devices are old.
07:14:08	NikolasZ	goto go, gl, guys, cya soon!
07:15:05	JdGordon1	[Saint]: did you get your galaxy theme running in the sdl-app yet?
07:15:35	[Saint]	I haven't compiled an SDL app.
07:15:45	JdGordon1	ah, so you're still on the edtir?
07:15:55	[Saint]	themesite seems to think it's ok...so, I'm stumped.
07:16:15	JdGordon1	its online?
07:17:03	[Saint]	I'm still waiting for a laorious DL to finish before I can compile an svn .apk and test all the later additions.
07:17:38	[Saint]	and no, I tried uploading it to the onda page, knowing it would fail due to the backdrop.
07:18:05	[Saint]	(assuming I'd get a helpful hint on any broken touch syntax)
07:18:26	[Saint]	it running fine in gigabeast sim proves the rest of the syntax is correct.
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11:08:30	digiw0rx	hey guys
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11:10:14	digiw0rx	anyone know, if theres any possiblity of a nano 3g port?
11:11:37	stripwax	it's a possibility. check out www.freemyipod.org
11:11:59	stripwax	in particular: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Status
11:12:41	digiw0rx	oo its getting there!
11:12:50	stripwax	no drivers have been written for lcd or flash memory yet though (both pretty critical!) - maybe you can help?
11:13:49	digiw0rx	im not the best programmer tbh lol
11:13:52	digiw0rx	i can have a look thjo
11:13:53	digiw0rx	tho*
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11:23:46	eddiecoyle	good afternoon everyone, I'm an idiot .I'm trying to register at the forums but I can't seem to get past the verification questions
11:24:14	eddiecoyle	What am I supposed to enter in the box next to "Please enter the following phrase - no spam:"
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11:24:16	eddiecoyle	?
11:25:19	eddiecoyle	okay okay I figured it out
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11:26:43	[Saint]	*literally, even.
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11:49:16	splinty	Hi all, I have a 5g 80gig iPod and just installed the current version of rockbox. I have existing music on the iPod so when I try access my music it starts to rebuild the db. Problem is. It doesn't seem to stop scanning. I have about 10k of songs But it counts to over 100k. Any ideas?
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12:02:12	[Saint]	when it's scanning, it's not reporting only media files.
12:02:24	[Saint]	rather every file on the device.
12:02:41	pixelma	splinty: how long is it already scanning and did you chose "update" (or have auto-update enabled) - or "initialize"? By the way the number doesn't represent files but all items, AFAIK even directories are counted
12:06:01	splinty	It's scanning nearly an hour now. And I tried to access the db and it said initialise. It's currently on "building database -44k found"
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12:11:46	pixelma	that's quite a bit too long. I just thought that update/auto-update without dircache takes longer than one might expect but that's really too long
12:13:51	pixelma	in most of the cases this is caused by broken or too big tags (like e.g. really long comments or large embedded album art) in one or more files
12:14:15	splinty	One other thing. I had installed rb yesterday and it scanned db fine and gave access. Last night I had an error with it not picking up new media so I enabled auto update and for some reason the device crashed. I revolted and it gave me a blackscreen error so I decided to uninstall rockbox and the bootloader and then reinstall
12:14:30	splinty	It uninstalled rb but not the bootloader
12:15:20	splinty	So I reinstalled rb and it won't scan the db correctly since. Is there a db table it could be reading that is falsely identifying files?
12:15:26	pixelma	sounds like there could be filesystem errors? Did you check the disk?
12:16:41	splinty	Not yet. Is there a way of doing that on the device or with the rb utility?
12:17:05	splinty	(it's up to 50k now by the way)
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12:23:16	splinty	And now the battery has just died on me :( sigh. It doesn't appear to be meant to be
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12:28:03	pixelma	you check the filesystem with some tools of your PC's operating system, e.g. on Windows it would be chkdsk
12:28:39	[Saint]	refusing to uninstall the bootloader, or not being able to rather, is something I have seen on my devices before with filesystem errors.
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12:46:21	splinty	Ok. Would it be safe to let chkdsk repair the drive?
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12:59:14	[Saint]	chkdsk should be able to repair the errors, if it finds any, yes. but you don't have to have it make any changes, you can choose not to repair/try to repair fs error is finds (if any)
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13:01:00	[Saint]	if filesystems errors are found and chkdsk can't repair them, iTunes should be able to resotre the player to a default state, at the cost of losing the data on it.
13:01:14	[Saint]	(though you can back up data before restoring)
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13:09:54	splinty	So just run chkdsk :e /f and see how it goes?
13:14:46	[Saint]	I don't run chkdsk from the commandline personally, so I couldn't comment there.
13:22:37	splinty	Ok it's done. I'm goin to rescan the db now but is there any settings I should have? Auto update is on
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13:29:13	mudd1	I can't create bookmarks anymore ... previously I had deleted a directory (including some bookmark files) on the SD card
13:29:33	mudd1	Is there a connection? Is this a bug? Or something stupid I did?
13:30:00	mudd1	I tried to delete the recent bookmarks file but that didn't fix the problem
13:34:05	teru	mudd1: how did you start playback? you cannot create bookmarks in certain cases. e.g. when you start the playback from database.
13:34:33	mudd1	I created the playlist from the file browser
13:34:57	mudd1	this is the usual way I create playlists and it used to work with bookmarks
13:35:18	mudd1	but I admit I didn't get my head around the whole bookmarking thing yet
13:35:20	mudd1	it confuses me
13:35:29	mudd1	as do playlists actually
13:35:51	mudd1	but I don't want to start a usability discussion ... again ;)
13:38:40	mudd1	Am I right that it's a difference whether I create a playlist by just starting a track in the file browser or by using the context menu as I have to to recursively add music in a directory?
13:40:34	teru	if you use the context menu to start playback, then you cannot create bookmark.
13:40:43	mudd1	ah ok
13:40:46	mudd1	that explains it
13:40:51	mudd1	kind of at least ;)
13:41:16	mudd1	so is there a way to recursively add tracks in a directory tree without disabling bookmarks?
13:41:40	teru	create a playlist file.
13:42:17	mudd1	so I create a dynamic playlist as before but then save it in a file and then it works?
13:42:28	mudd1	s/in/to/
13:43:31	teru	context menu -> playlist catalog -> new playlist (or somethinglike) or start playback and select "save current playlist" in context menu of WPS
13:43:39	mudd1	ok
13:43:54	mudd1	thanks a lot teru and sorry for probably not reading the manual carefully enough
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13:49:31	Mic92	Can I bookmark the last position in podcasts/audio books with rockbox?
13:51:40	n1s	yes
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13:56:57	Mic92	n1s: Link for this?
13:57:28	n1s	Mic92: it's described in the manual, i think
13:58:31	n1s	you can do it from the wps context menu
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14:01:20	Mic92	I need a new Player, but I'm undecided which one.
14:02:56	Mic92	I heard of this project some times ago and thought why don't try this firmware.
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14:12:02	Mic92	How you think about this one: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002NX0ME6/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&psc=1
14:20:01	CIA-7	New commit by teru (r29091): image viewer: png: do not show custom error message when there is not enough memory. get rid of use of iv->plug_buf.
14:21:44	Mic92	Ok, I ordered it.
14:23:28	Mic92	When rockbox run on my player, i'm gonna try the luaplugin. Sounds cool.
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15:34:33	CIA-7	New commit by nls (r29092): Enable AB repeat for the Gigabeat S, this will break lang string/voice clip order for this target so update your voice file.
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15:44:30	n1s	hmm, no that string was actually unconditional so it doesn't affect voice files
15:44:53	n1s	oh, well
15:47:28	pixelma	hmm, I thought that A-B repeat is enabled on all players now (maybe except the charcell one), but that there are two ways to control it (one with players having enough buttons for setting an A and a B marker and reset independently and the other for players that only had one spare button to cycle through setting the markers and reset)
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15:48:36	n1s	pixelma: i don't know why we have a separate enable define for it and it is enabled for the archos player
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15:50:41	n1s	the gogearhdd* targets, nano2g, ipod classic, ipod 1g-3g are the usable ports that don't have it enabled afaict
15:51:27	n1s	the weird thing is that the keymaps and even key macros were already there for the beast so maybe it got disabled by accident?
15:51:35	pixelma	looks more like an oversight to me
15:52:29	n1s	unless there are issues with the nano2g and ipod classic they could just enable it as well since keys will be the same as for all other newer ipods
15:53:29	n1s	pixelma: do you think it's worth it to introduce a new "feature" to exclude the description of the a-b repeat for targets that dojn' thave it?
15:54:08	pixelma	it once was disabled for targets with not enough buttons until this one button control scheme was developed (and that's using the same button as used for something else I believe so this might be the reason why it's already in the keymaps)
15:54:37	pixelma	n1s: no, I rather think that every target could have it - if the charcell Player already does...
15:55:06	n1s	yes, the player uses the single button scheme though
15:55:36	n1s	the thing with having enable macros like this is that someone needs to remember to enable it for every new port
15:56:24	n1s	ah, the ab repeat set markers is the same as the skip to next/prev dir combos
15:56:28	pixelma	indeed, and I guess it's mostly copy-pasting from some other config file - chose the wrong one and you'll miss it
15:57:49	n1s	ok, so now to wait around for people with these targets to test
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16:03:06	n1s	i noticed a small glitch in the beast manual btw, looks like when remote key is missing the description ends up in the remote key column in keymaps, see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-gigabeats/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-510004.3.1
16:04:38	pixelma	not automatically, then there is a \opt{HAVEREMOTEKEYMAP}{&} missing
16:05:06	n1s	it has remote keymap but apparently not all actions are mapped on the remote
16:05:19	n1s	see the link i posted
16:06:11	pixelma	my point was more the "&" as a column seperator for targets which have that opt defined..,
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16:06:43	pixelma	if you look at a few lines above, you'll see how it should look like
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16:08:46	n1s	hmm, according to that table the same combo is mapped to 2 actions
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18:21:01	bluebrother	in Perl, is there a way to put the modifier for a regexp into a variable? And to make it expand $1 and friends in a replacement that comes from a string?
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18:32:47	bluebrother	stripwax: I've tried something like my $r = s . $sep . $search . $sep . $replace . $sep . $modifier; $string =~ $r;
18:32:56	bluebrother	but that seems to match never
18:33:21	bluebrother	if I use $string =~ s/$search/replace/g; it does match (and replace)
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18:35:48	Bagder	$string =~ eval($r); ?
18:36:25	*	bluebrother tries
18:37:02	stripwax	or maybe =~ s/($search)/($replace)/($modifier) (but i've never tried that)
18:37:33	bluebrother	Bagder: Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 29) line 1, near "3g"
18:38:02	Bagder	yeah, perhaps more of it needs to be within the evail() as $r might not be a full expr
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20:28:28	Buschel	jhMikeS: your PP502x USB change raises the power consumption by several mA (~ 8mA)
20:28:36	Buschel	this is quite a lot...
20:28:53	Buschel	(measured on iPod Video)
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20:57:56	Buschel	jhMikeS: you can easily spot this effect in the "battery view" of the debug menu
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