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01:36:28pixelmahmm, the v1 Recorders can not be "powered or charged via USB"?
01:38:39pixelmacharging I could understand somewhat as it is about NiMH cells but I would have thought that getting power through USB would be possible (as it is done for the Ondios)
01:38:48scorche|shnot that i know of
01:41:21pixelmawell, I see that it is not defined in the config files but was curious about the technical reasons
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01:45:04kkurbjunDoes anyone know what happened to the wiki users page?
01:45:17[Saint]in what respect?
01:45:18JdGordon|it dropped the t
01:45:26kkurbjunwith the last edit by "BaseUserMapping_333"
01:45:36kkurbjunthey added a user "SlutFuck"
01:45:45kkurbjunand it doesn't appear that they are a valid user
01:46:04[Saint]well...I should hope it's not a real name ;)
01:46:16[Saint]so, it's presumably safe to remove.
01:46:34kkurbjunwell, I don't know what the user "BaseUserMapping_333" is either
01:46:55[Saint]no...that does seem suspicious.
01:47:09[Saint]I assume that that user doesn't appear on the wikiuserlist
01:47:31[Saint]BaseUserMapping_333 certainly isn't a real name either
01:47:46[Saint]...I hope
01:47:48kkurbjunno, the last edit says that it was done by an admin user
01:48:15[Saint]perhaps leave it then.
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01:48:48kkurbjunyeah, I'm guessing bagder or zagor, or someone that is an admin needs to look into it
01:49:04kkurbjunit looks like the wiki may have been broken into
01:50:13[Saint]You'd think they ("they" being said hackers in theory") would choose a less obvious name
01:50:34kkurbjunyeah, I would have thought
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02:41:51pixelmaI saw this BaseUserMapping thing a few times recently and related it to the failed registration attempts (e.g. by MysteryKeeper) but am not sure
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03:08:36soapBuschel. Things have been really busy here, I'll be ready to test whatever you need Saturday morning (GMT -4). Sunday I take off again.
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03:10:39nedoes anyone know how to play quick saved games from rockboy and copy the saved file onto our computer to play on the gba emulator?
03:11:34soapthere is a forum thread on at least going the other direction, ne.
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03:11:52soapI don't recall if it mentions how to go your way. But it's a place to start.
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03:12:31kjosh62does anyone know how to play gbc files on my gba emulator by moving my quick saved rockboy file onto my computer?
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03:57:06jhMikeSBuschel: Wow, that's sort of what I wouldn't expect. I agree about the battery life; the problem isn't really critical. How does it compare to bootup because that reset happens then as well?
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04:13:09Antonio_hey folks
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04:17:57Antonio_I'm trying to install rockbox on a 30 gig ipod video (5.5th generation)...
04:18:10Antonio_I'm trying to install rockbox on a 30 gig ipod video (5.5th generation)...
04:18:19Antonio_Do I need to have the apple firmware on it to install rockbox?
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04:19:35[Saint]not that I know of.
04:19:54[Saint]though, I have only ever removed the Apple OF *after* installing RB
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04:23:41Antonio_saint: the ipodpatcher program returned with "firmware partition doesn't contain apple copyright, aborting.
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04:25:19[Saint]Hmmm, as I said, I've only removed the Apple OF after the fact.
04:25:58[Saint]I guess it makes perfect sense that it wouldn't work's probably checking for some specific apple magic.
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04:28:57[Saint] <−− is the info for removing dual-boot ability, and having only rockbox in the OSOS
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04:29:46[Saint]after that you can remove the apple directories on the root of the player if you'd like, they won't return unless the OF is booted.
04:29:58[Saint](which can't happen unless you revert it)
04:30:18Antonio_does anyone know how to install the apple firmware with ipodpatcher?
04:30:52[Saint]you have an .ipsw file for your player?
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04:59:16Antonio_saint: yeah I have the .ipsw file
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05:02:17Torneunzip it, it's just a zipfile
05:02:32Tornethere's a file inside which is the actual firmware
05:02:41Antonio_yeah |saint|: I have the .ipsw file
05:02:52TorneYou do nede to have the apple OF installed/working to install rockbox, though
05:02:58Tornewell, most of it
05:03:03TorneYou don't need the actual OF binary
05:03:06Torne(the OSOS image)
05:03:12Tornebut you do need all the *other* stuff in the firmware partition
05:03:15Torneand the partition layout itself
05:03:20TorneSo, restore in itunes first.
05:03:23[Saint]yes, as Torne said, open the .ipsw file with an archiver, and remove the file inside.
05:03:29Antonio_it won't restore in itunes
05:03:34Antonio_I've tried numerous times
05:03:35[Saint]then use ipodpatcher -wf <thatfile>
05:03:40TorneThen the device is proably broken
05:03:47Torneitunes is almost entirely reliable
05:04:00[Saint]yes....if iTunes won't restore it, she's probably dead.
05:04:18Torneipodpatcher can't do -wf unless the firmware partition is intact and has a header
05:04:28Torneit doesn't know how to actually format the firmware partition.
05:04:37Torneit can only backup/restore it as a raw blob the same as dd would
05:04:38Antonio_its weird, as I can do disk mode, diagnostic mode, etc.. and even add as many files to the ipod as I want
05:04:52Tornewhat does itunes actually do?
05:04:53[Saint]yeah, I was assuming that the OF was intact still but damaged somehow.
05:05:12TorneAntonio_: you mean in the emergency disk mde, or can you actually boot the OF?
05:05:31Antonio_emergency disk mode is the "ok to disconnect" right?
05:05:37Antonio_whats of by the way?
05:05:40Antonio_original firmware?
05:06:04Torneemergency disk mode is the monochrome screen you get by holding menu+pla on poweron
05:06:10Tornewhich displays "ok to disconnect" when not mounted.
05:06:26Torneas opposed to just plugging the ipod in while it's running the original firmware, whch is in colour
05:06:30Tornethough it does display similar warnings
05:06:50Torneemergency disk mode, andd diagnostic mode, are both in the flash rom
05:06:56Torneso they will work even if the hard disk is totally toast/corrupt
05:07:15Antonio_if the hd is corrupt, I shouldn't be able to copy files to it, right?
05:07:15Torneand emergency disk mode lets you access the disk even if the firmware partition is broken/nonexistent/whatever
05:07:35TorneEr, no, it may be that the disk has a bad area where the firmware partition is
05:07:41Torneyou are copying files onto th edata partition
05:07:44Torneanyway, it could be lots of things.
05:07:56Tornethe fact you can put files on it doesn't mean the hardwar is ok, anyway, is my point.
05:08:05Torneand itunes is normally pretty good at restoring ipods from whatever condition
05:08:16Tornehas this ipodever worked?
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05:09:47Antonio_I did a quick check on the drive and it says that there are no errors with the disk
05:10:22Tornethat *also* doesn't prove the disk works
05:10:30Torneyou mean with chkdsk/similar?
05:10:34Tornebecause that's only going to scan the data partition :)
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05:10:50Tornethe firmware is not stored in the partition you cna see in your OS
05:10:56Torneit's stored in an invisible partition that your OS won't mount.
05:11:16[Saint]if the OF partition is toast, it's not going to tell you with chkdsk
05:11:48Torneaanyway. what exactly does itunes do?
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05:16:11Antonio__I'm going to need some help on how to install rockbox...
05:16:18Antonio__hopefully I can get the apple firmware on this ipod
05:16:44Tornewhat exactly does itunes do when you try to restore the ipod?
05:17:01Tornealso, are you using windows/
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05:18:12Antonio__using windows...
05:18:16Antonio__reinstalling itunes
05:19:11Torneok, so while you do that, just to clarify, what you should be doing is booting the ipod into the black and white mergency disk mode, using select+play, then connecting it while itunes is running
05:19:23Torneit should pop up saying "itunes has detected an ipod in recovery mode, do you want to restore this ipod" or similar
05:19:24Antonio__yeah that much I know...
05:19:36Tornesure, just making sure.
05:19:42Tornedid it do that?
05:19:47Antonio__hold up...
05:19:52Antonio__downloading itunes again...
05:19:56Antonio__and reinstalling it
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05:20:01Tornei mean, lsat time you tried
05:20:12Antonio__can't remember what happened...
05:20:23Antonio__it acted like it was going to restore it, but it never did...
05:20:29Antonio__just went back to the same old sad face thing
05:20:36Torneok, well, once youv'e reinstalled it, try again and tell me what happened
05:20:47Torneif we can get to the bottom of why itunes it'snt working tha's the easiest way to get it going again
05:20:55Antonio__God, Steve Jobs annoys me
05:21:01Tornethere is a harder way but you may need some command line skills and tools to do it
05:21:22Antonio__dos or terminal?
05:21:33Tornelinux, ideally
05:21:42Tornewe don't have any docs on how to do it in windows :)
05:21:53Torneit's possible, but i dunno that anyone has ever bothered
05:22:15Tornei suggest we try to get itunes to work first
05:22:27Antonio__god taking forever to download
05:22:47Antonio__thank god I have win7 and ubuntu dual booted
05:23:24Antonio__back in a few..waiting for it to download
05:23:41Torneare you reasonably comfortable with linuxcommand line stuff?
05:24:22Antonio__not super comfortable, but I if you feed me lines I should be able to wing it
05:24:41Antonio__are you talking about the instructions with the dd thing?
05:24:48Antonio__for the mbr and the .ipsw file?
05:25:18Tornefrom IpodManualRestore
05:25:22Torneon the wiki.
05:26:00Antonio__I remember there is one part that was tripping me up
05:26:23Torneoh, ou tried that already?
05:26:31Tornewell. .since you're getting itunes now yo umight as well give that another go first
05:26:39Tornebut if we can't get anywhere i'll happily help you with the manual restore
05:26:50Antonio__didn't do the whole thing...
05:26:50Antonio__It was super late and my mind was kind of fuzzy
05:28:39Antonio__ok itunes is installing
05:28:59Antonio__so how is rockbox anyways?
05:30:11Antonio__ok torne: itunes is up
05:30:27Antonio__"detected an ipod in recovery mode" yada
05:31:45Torneo, well, hit yes and see what happens
05:32:11Antonio__I just did that...
05:32:32Antonio__steve jobs has just gotten my soul ;)
05:32:40Antonio__been restored and is restarting
05:32:56Antonio__still getting the sad face thing...
05:34:43TorneOK, so itunes didn't display any errors or anything?
05:34:46Torneiut just said it had finished?
05:34:58Antonio__so I just got it back in disk mode and plugged it back in...still getting the "need to restore this ipod"
05:35:21Antonio__anything that can be done in windows or should I boot to linux?
05:35:46Tornehm. well, there is one thing but you'll need dd to do it which is already gonna be there on linux
05:35:51Tornei suggest you try the manual restore instructions
05:36:01Torneso, boot linux :)
05:36:09Antonio__I'll see you in a minute...
05:36:15Antonio__gonna have some questions I'm sure of it ;)
05:36:23Antonio__back in a minute
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05:38:34mylistohey torne: its me antonio
05:40:16Torneo k:)
05:40:29Tornewell, start the pocess and ask me when you have a problem
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05:42:20antonio__bad int connection
05:43:11antonio__torne: let me know when you're back around
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05:44:47TorneI'm always here
05:44:50antonio__ok :D
05:46:09antonio__so what do I need to do now?
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05:48:53Torneif you have a problem with any of the steps, just ask
05:51:28antonio__ok for this line dd if=mbr-video30gb-2048.bin of=/dev/sdc1
05:51:43antonio__I'm not sure if I need to use sdc1 or sdc2
05:51:56Tornejust sdc
05:52:00antonio__ah ok
05:52:02Tornethe mbr is the part with the partition table
05:52:06Torneit goes at the start of the disk
05:52:41Torneare you suare the 2048 byte sector version is right?
05:52:50Tornejus checking because if not then this won't work
05:53:03antonio__yes its right...
05:53:13antonio__sudo hdparm -z /dev/sdc
05:53:13antonio__ re-reading partition table
05:53:13DBUGEnqueued KICK antonio__
05:53:13antonio__ BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy
05:53:34TorneYour linux has one of the partitions mounted
05:53:36antonio__I'm sure I'm not supposed to get that error
05:53:37TorneYou need to not do that :)
05:53:38antonio__ah ok
05:53:38tmztit's a scsi device
05:53:41tmztisn't it?
05:53:41antonio__let me unmount it
05:54:08Tornetmzt: yes. hdparm works on scsi device nodes, to a limited degree
05:54:21tmztsame ioctl then, ok
05:54:22Tornetmzt: -z is just prodding the block device system to rescan the partition table, so that doesn't care what the disk really is
05:54:40Torneit doesn't go to the actual controller, just the generic block layer
05:55:57antonio__dd if=iPod_25.1.3.ipsw of=/dev/sdc1 dd: opening `/dev/sdc1': Permission denied
05:56:40Tornethe previous ones succeeded?
05:56:56Tornedisconnect the device and replug it, then try again
05:57:17Tornewell. disconnect and replug, then unmount the data partition again
05:57:19Tornethen try again :)
05:58:14antonio__all of the steps, or just the last one that didn't work?
05:59:05Tornejust the last one
05:59:11Torneit may not have reread the partition table properly
05:59:14Tornereconnecting it forces the issue :)
05:59:30tmztalso try fdisk /dev/sdc; w
05:59:41tmztit does the same thing but seems to work better
06:00:02antonio__still getting permission denied
06:00:50Tornetmzt: if you've reconnected it the kernel can't be holding onto the old partition table.
06:00:54antonio__fdisk gave me unable to open /dev/sdc
06:01:06Torneyou need to run all of this as root
06:01:18Tornewhich i suspect you aren't
06:01:24antonio__so sudo then
06:01:34Torneyes.. none of these steps will work as a regular user
06:01:34antonio__ok copied ;)
06:01:43tmztTorne: ah, but it might get a new device
06:01:53tmztbut yeah, he wasn't root
06:02:19antonio__now I need to format the 2nd partition right?
06:03:00antonio__torne: this is the part that really trips me up...
06:03:02antonio__mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER:
06:03:09antonio__I'm not sure what the drive letter is
06:03:20tmzt-i /dev/sdc ::
06:03:39tmztthe partition of course
06:03:46tmzt-i /dev/sdc2 ::
06:03:59antonio__does that tell me what the drive letter is?
06:04:10tmztit's a trick, you don't need one
06:04:17tmztthe drive letter is ::
06:04:19Torneuse that instead of the drive letter.
06:04:31antonio__oh do you mean append that to the end of that line?
06:04:44antonio__to the end of this?
06:04:44antonio__mformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -F DRIVE_LETTER:
06:04:48tmzt mcopy -i my-image-file.bin ::file1 ::file2 .
06:05:22tmztmformat -S 2048 -M 2048 -i /dev/sdc2 ::
06:05:30tmztbut it's not mentioned in the man page
06:06:44antonio__argsize must be less than 6
06:07:05antonio__I read something about that issue
06:09:09antonio__"mformat: Hidden (192780) does not match sectors (2048)
06:10:25Tornetry mkfs.vfat -S 2048 -F 32 /dev/sdc2
06:10:39Tornesome people have reported that mkfs.vfat doesn't work right but it has worked fine for me in the past
06:10:43Torneand it's less weird and magical than mformat
06:11:00antonio__permission denied
06:11:53Tornerun it as root
06:11:58Torneabsolutely everything here needs you to be root
06:12:12antonio__I thought I did...acidentally ran the mformat as root
06:12:16antonio__ok its done
06:12:39antonio__this is the output I recieved - mkfs.vfat 3.0.7 (24 Dec 2009)
06:12:44Torneok, also do sudo eject /dev/sdc
06:12:57Tornethen pull it out and the ipod shuld probably reboot on its own
06:13:02Torneand will hopefully start the original firmware :)
06:15:13Torneok, so if everything above succeeded then that sounds like there's somethign wrong with the device, i'm afraid
06:15:24Torneit might be recoverable if someon was sufficiently determined
06:15:34Tornereboot it and enter diag mode
06:15:41CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:15:41*Torne finds his ipod to guide you through the menus :)
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06:16:27Torneok, hit manual test, then io, harddrive, hdsmartdata
06:16:49Tornewhat does it say for reallocs and pending sectors? should be zero.
06:17:30antonio__think I did this yesterday...
06:17:33antonio__and it just hung
06:18:21antonio__just says smart data at the top and a blank screen
06:19:04Torneit will take at least a few seconds, it has to spin the disk up
06:19:13Torneif that hangs then your disk is broken
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06:19:20Torne99.99% certain :0
06:19:47antonio__wonder how much a new hd is
06:19:49Torneif it doesn't do anything by now then reset it, go back in, and try HD Info in the same menu
06:21:13Tornedoes that also hang?
06:22:05antonio__hold up
06:22:47Torneer, hdspecs even
06:23:06antonio__looks like that is hanging as well...
06:23:10antonio__wasn't yesterday
06:23:47antonio__just says model number:
06:23:49antonio__with nothing after it
06:24:57TorneOK, the disk is definately not behaving then
06:25:04Tornei'm surprised you can access it at all in disk mode
06:25:17Torneso yes, unfortuantely your disk is probably broken
06:25:34Torneon the bright side, you can get a bigger one maybe :)
06:25:43antonio__model number I_ 7t hdsn: E)& K
06:25:52Torneyeah htat's not good ;)
06:26:15Tornesounds broken
06:26:15antonio__total lba 201326592
06:26:27antonio__total size: 96gb - thats definitely not right
06:26:45antonio__is there any kind of software utility to try to repair this drive?
06:28:41Torneeither the drive, or the cable, or the controller is broken, i'm afraid
06:28:48Tornemost likely the drive if the ipod previously worked
06:29:48antonio__well looks like I have a fricking 30 gig flash drive at least :D
06:30:31TorneNo, I would be very surprised if the player stored any files reliably
06:30:39Tornei wouldn't recommend using it for anything :)
06:31:07[Saint]HDD also != Flash ;)
06:31:07antonio__its weird, as it actually holds files reliably
06:31:58TorneNo, that's not guaranteed :)
06:32:11Torneit may not work equally well across the entire disk surface.
06:32:19Torneand it may not work *deterministically*
06:32:27Torneif it can't even get a valid ATA IDENTIFY response then the drive is toast.
06:32:31Tornedon't trust it.
06:32:55antonio__I ain't
06:32:58antonio__ah well...
06:33:06antonio__besides it ain't my ipod, just fixing it for a friend
06:33:09antonio__or was trying
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06:59:15JdGordon|bmmp scrollbars in the lists will have an interesting difference to the built in ones....
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06:59:47JdGordon|the slide bit wont resize for the list item count
07:00:01JdGordon|so if there is only a few items offscreen it might look like there are heaps missing
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07:11:20LloreanJdGordon|: Why isn't that achievable? Couldn't you just truncate the image used, and tell people that "the image will be truncated if it needs to be smaller so use a pattern or something that can accept this"?
07:13:37JdGordon|we shall see.....
07:14:38[Saint]I don't see it as such a problem, personally.
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07:24:10jhMikeSHow about, some number of pixels from either end are always displayed, but the middle part is cropped−− just one bitmap but variable length...?
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07:26:52[Saint]I don't see the problem in it being a fixed size.
07:27:12[Saint]it only needs to represent the position in the list quite approximately
07:27:39jhMikeSBuschel: Hello. Care to try a patch out? :>">
07:27:58BuscheljhMikeS: hi, will check this now
07:28:00*jhMikeS was just suggesting a way around the issue
07:28:17jhMikeSlast line was @[Saint]
07:31:45BuscheljhMikeS: do I need to test some read/write in USB mode?
07:32:12BuscheljhMikeS: the currents look fine so far
07:34:02BuscheljhMikeS: additionally it seems FS #10719 is fixed :)
07:34:02jhMikeSconnect then disconnect should be all that's necessary, or whatever you did before
07:34:31jhMikeShaha, don't even know what that is :)
07:34:49Buschelbattery leakage after one time USB connect ;)
07:34:55Buschelsome init stuff...
07:35:41jhMikeSI looked at the reg values after full reset and after running. Reset and running leave it the same, but full sets it back.
07:36:35jhMikeSBuschel: thanks for testing
07:36:46Buschelthanks for fixing :)
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07:41:08CIA-7New commit by jethead71 (r29094): PP502x USB: It seems r29087 introduced additional parasitic current consumption after USB disconnect. So, reinitialize the controller just like at ...
07:45:14CIA-7r29094 build result: All green
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07:48:03*jhMikeS got beat to the FS close :P
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08:10:26AndrewMI am just install the latest version of Rockbox to my Ipod video 5.5gen 80gb. I would like to ask why ipod can control volume when using Lineout function. This issue is not happen in the Ipod Nano 2nd.
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08:14:01fml[Saint]: (for the logs :-) if I remember correctly, scroll start delay is just the delay before the text begins to scroll. After that, there is no delay between scroll rounds.
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08:14:45[Saint]Hmmm, yes, have you tried messing with the bidir limit?
08:14:58[Saint]so that it bounces instead of scrolls through?
08:15:15[Saint]I find it easier to read that way, some people like the opposite
08:17:46AndrewMI am wonder if rockbox has a lineout bug on Ipod video.
08:18:45TorneLine out is at line level.
08:18:48TorneThat's not a bug.
08:18:56TorneThe hardware has no volume control on line out.
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08:21:19AndrewMIs it means that I should set 0db on Ipod video and using lineout?
08:21:49TorneIt means that line out is at a fixed volume by definition
08:21:56Torneline out is always 0dB
08:22:20Torneuse the volume control of whatever you have connected it to.
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08:23:31AndrewMBut I scroll the click wheel, I can distinguish the 0db and max. 6db difference through headphone amplifier
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08:24:19Tornei'm not sure what you mean
08:24:44Tornethe volume control controls the headphone output ont he DAC.
08:24:56Tornethe line output doesn't have one
08:26:58JdGordon|do I add a tag to see if the scrollbar is actually needed? or just draw nothing for the scrollbar tag if it isnt?
08:27:25AndrewMBased on the offical firmware, If IPV is using lineout and connect to amplifer, the firmware is disable the volume control function.After I install rockbox in Ipod video, IPV can control the volume no matter it is phone out or line out.
08:28:36JdGordon|[Saint]: ^
08:29:04AndrewMWhen I using the IPV (rockbox installed) lineout function to connect amplifier, IPV can control the volume output in Lineout side.
08:29:33[Saint]JdGordon|: It'd need a conditional to see if it's needed, otherwise it would always allocate the space for it even if it wasn't drawn I'd assume.
08:29:35TorneOh, i misunderstood what you meant, sorry
08:29:57TorneWe have a much wider range of volume adjustment than the original firmware. It's done by altering the actual digital samples when the volume is turned down very low.
08:30:11Torneto allow the volume to be adjusted outside the normal range of the DAC
08:30:26Tornethis applies to line out as well since it's bascially a DSP effect
08:30:52AndrewMOh, I would like to explain if I set -100db, 0db and 6db in IPV, it can control the output level through lineout. I can distinguish the level differences in lineout
08:30:53TorneIt should remain constant as long as you don't reduce the volume below -30 or so
08:31:11bluefoxxSo, I've got this 30 gig gigabeat, rockboxed, and it's been pretty great so far, but I've also got this 120 gig drive I want to stuff in it. Problem seems to be that between my OS of choice (win7 x64) and the new drive using 4K sectors, the OF on the gigabeat doesn't play nice upon a reboot of the device when I do get rockbox on it.
08:31:13Tornei forget what the lower limit is
08:31:34bluefoxxAnyone got some direction that I should go in? I'm a bit lost on where to restart now
08:31:37Tornebluefoxx: does the drive correctly allow unaligned reads/writes?
08:31:49bluefoxxTorne: Drive is
08:31:53Torner is it one of the broken toshiba drives that insists on aligned accesses, contrary to the spec?
08:32:07Tornethe beast firmware doesn't check the sector size of the disk, it doesn't know about that stuff
08:32:22Torneso as long as unaligned accesses work it shouldn't know/care.
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08:32:54bluefoxxDoesn't seem to say if it insists on aligned writes
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08:33:41Torneit won't, no.
08:33:46Tornebecause insisting on that is a *defect* :)
08:34:11Tornethe spec requires that you support unaligned reads at minimum, and strongly recommends that you support unaligned writes as well
08:34:17Tornedrives that don't have broken firmware.
08:34:25Torneso it's not going to tell you on the spec sheet :)
08:35:09Torneare you doing anything to the disk to prepare it?
08:35:20Tornebecause the beast will not like virtually anything you try.
08:35:20bluefoxxI can't really
08:35:38Torneit should be happy to partition and format the disk itself, then you should just be able to sendfirm a firmware
08:35:39bluefoxxMy main problem currently seems to be that windows 7 doesn't play nice with the gigabeat if it has no drive to boot some kind of firmware that can say "Hey, I have a storage device"
08:35:54TorneIt doesn't need the drive to work
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08:36:09TorneIf the beast detects *anything* it doesn't like about the current state of the drive it just blows the contents away and reinitialises it
08:36:20Tornethen waits for an MTP firmware download
08:36:23bluefoxxThat's without the drive in the device
08:36:35bluefoxxEr, that's it without the drive while plugged into my machine
08:36:42AndrewMOh Thx, Torne. Furthermore, does rockbox built in Constant volume Function. For example, I want to keep the volume remains 0db. Like disable the function of volume control.
08:36:50TorneIt won't work without the drive in there at all, no
08:36:57Tornehow could it?
08:37:02Tornethe firmware is stored on the drive..
08:37:25bluefoxxI get the exact same result with the new drive installed though
08:38:27Tornewhat does the player do when you power it on?
08:39:02Tornealso, i don't know that windows *does8 have a driver for the beast when it's in firmware download mode..
08:39:14Torneyou probably need to use/install the beast updater to get it
08:39:43bluefoxxGives me the #1 triangle, then the #2 triangle when I plug it in
08:40:28Torneright. so, did you try running the firmware recovery/update thing?
08:41:15Stummiiirc there is a list/statistik of all buildclients somewhere. Where can i find this?">
08:43:12bluefoxxThat is, somewhat obviously, with the device plugged in, and the updater failing to see it
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08:46:26Torneok, i don't recall offhand how that's supposed to work..
08:46:42Tornetry using sendfirm/beastpatcher to send nk.bin to the device.
08:46:53Tornei think we don't need a driver installed
08:47:01Torneas we just use libusb to poke the device directly
08:47:35bluefoxxAlso fails. The only time it manages to succeed is when I have some other USB storage device plugged into my system, like a flash drive
08:47:53Torneer, what?
08:47:59bluefoxxIt was initially targeting an MMC card I keep memtest on, so it would say it had succeeded, when it hadn't
08:48:13Tornebeastpathcer doesn't use a drive letter
08:48:17TorneMTP devices don't have drive letters.
08:48:29Torneand are not USB storage devices at all
08:48:41Torneso, there is no way it can think another device is the beast..
08:48:48bluefoxxThat may be, but this seems to be what's happening
08:48:54Tornewhat did you run?
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08:49:18Torneno, that's not what's happening.. that's not possible :)">
08:50:00bluefoxxFirst one was with my boot card unplugged, second one I plugged it in and that's where it wound up
08:50:10Tornewhere what wound up?
08:50:21Tornesendfirm doesn't copy files
08:50:33Tornefiles are not involved :)">
08:52:51bluefoxxSo if files aren't involved, what exactly are beastpatcher and sendfirm supposed to be doing?
08:53:21Tornethey send the contents of nk.bin as a special MTP transfer that makes the device treat it as an update
08:53:25TorneMTP doesn't use files
08:53:55Tornelibmtp must be doing something particularly bizarre..
08:54:05Tornethis doesn't happen for me :)
08:54:17Torneit only sees devices that actually implement MTP.
08:54:25Tornemass storage devices are a totally different device class
08:55:31TorneOh yuck.
08:55:37Torneit's not libmtp on windows
08:55:46Torneit's using ms's media abstraction thingy
08:56:10Torneuse an OS where we aren't dependent on MS's drivers to work.
08:56:25bluefoxxWould a virtual machine do?
08:56:44bluefoxxOr cygwin, perhaps?
08:57:03bluefoxxHang on, I appear to have uninstalled virtualbox :/
08:57:12Tornea VM will work if the VM program knows how to connect the usb device to the guest, yes
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08:59:31Tornealternatively try and find the driver..
08:59:39Tornebut i have no idea where that's supposed to come from
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08:59:44Torneor if there is one for win64.
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09:01:25wodzout of curiosity - what is 'ui viewport' setting in theme config file?
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09:07:58[Saint]erll...yes, it's more often than not set in the .sbs
09:08:10[Saint]but, in the lack of an .sbs it is set there.
09:08:26[Saint]wodz: ^
09:08:48[Saint]Do you understand the use of a UI viewport?
09:09:19bluefoxxYou know, I think MTP support might be broken in this install I have
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09:11:31wodz[Saint]: sorry I fail to parse() your statement
09:11:52[Saint]JdGordon|: The area that isn't UI viewport, or an .sbs viewport isn't being cleared properly when leaving the .wps
09:12:41[Saint]wodz: A UI viewport can be set in the .sbs, and it usually the event that the theme has no .sbs and the author still wants to set a UI viewport, it can be set in the .cfg
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09:18:05[Saint]RaaA doesn't have HOTKEY?
09:18:35*[Saint] can'r seem to imagine why this is the case.
09:18:40[Saint]*can't too.
09:19:27[Saint]it's not like you need multi-touch screens for a key can just do "hotkey" in a touch area.
09:20:13[Saint]kugel: (logs) - RaaAoA not having HOTKEY is weird.
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09:26:44bluefoxxSo I suppose it's safe to assume that little work has been done on the gigabeat S bootloader past what got it working to the point that it does then? IE we haven't figured out how to stop the thing from wiping itself when it sees funny changes on the disk
09:27:49LloreanI will say mine's never wiped itself, but I have mine set up with a dual boot install.
09:28:46UnhelpfulLlorean: did you ever update the OF? that's been what generally causes the trouble. dual-boot is only *needed* w/ the update. :/
09:29:13bluefoxxLlorean: Well I'm trying to upgrade the drive in mine, I can manage to get rockbox on it once, but if I reboot the thing it screams for a reinstall after wiping
09:29:27LloreanUnhelpful: I'm pretty sure I'm dual booting with 1.2
09:29:38LloreanI've had it actually ask for a reinstall twice.
09:29:48LloreanBut rebooting it with a hard power off got it back to Rockbox.
09:30:07*Unhelpful would really like to ditch the OF and have the (much faster) single-boot :/
09:30:21jhMikeSdowngrade? :)
09:30:35*Llorean would like to ditch the flash bootloader, and have USB charging before the disk is spun up
09:30:50*jhMikeS too
09:31:02LloreanThat is the one thing my F does better.
09:31:46bluefoxxWhat I was asking is if anyone has figured out how to make what I suppose effects to the thing's BIOS not bother checking to see that the firmware it's booting is sanctioned or what-have-you
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09:32:56jhMikeSI'd love to work on the ROM aspect, except my first mistake would be my last most likely (unless it can recover from a scrambled i2c rom somehow)
09:33:41bluefoxxMake an image of the chip's contents first, that way you can reflash them when you screw up?
09:34:04Lloreanbluefoxx: I think he means he doesn't have the tools to reflash.
09:34:07jhMikeSno guarantee I can do it with the device alone
09:34:32bluefoxxI'd be up for learning how to do it myself if I had the means to deal with the chips in question
09:34:52LloreanjhMikeS: If there's enough room, maybe something like the H100 dual boot, where there's *very* simple code to fall back to the inbuilt ROM on a button hold?
09:35:56jhMikeSLlorean: hmmm....sounds like something to consider
09:36:35LloreanjhMikeS: Then you just flash over the custom code but never, ever, ever touch the safety net again. Of course, the safety net has to work from the get go.
09:36:40jhMikeSthere might be a way to recover because there is an inbuilt rom on the i.MX31 that seems to touch usb registers iirc
09:36:58LloreanSome sort of DFU or recovery mode?
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09:39:29bluefoxxOkay, have a fresh ubuntu install in a VM up and running, just need to find out how to turn all the automagical things it does off.
09:41:30jhMikeSLlorean: it's the real boot code that jumps to the flash
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11:16:09bluefoxxOkay, so I have a VM up, I have it able to see the gigabeat, now what do I want to be doing?
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11:32:01n1sbluefoxx: try sending a firmware to it with beastpatcher or sendfirem
11:43:13bluefoxxFound sendfirm, how do I make it work here? I'm not familliar with working with raw source code
11:44:07bluefoxxI've successfully compiled something maybe all of twice in my life, and that was when it was all already zipped up for me and typing a couple commands was all I needed to do
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11:45:48n1sit should be available for download somewhere i think, beastpatcher certainly is
11:46:00bluefoxxI managed to find beastpatcher, yeah
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11:52:04n1sjhMikeS: very nice that the firmware partition doesn't auto mount anymore :) will it work the same way in the bootloader if i build a new one?
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12:01:16pixelmaBagder, Zagor: any of you seen the logs this night with people wondering about some new wiki user names (and this BaseUserMapping thing)?
12:01:54*Bagd3r hasn't
12:03:43jhMikeSn1s: yes
12:04:09n1sjhMikeS: cool, should we perhaps release a new bootloader?
12:04:49pixelmaBagd3r: maybe worth checking to see if there's a security issue
12:04:56jhMikeSmaybe. I was thinking I'd clean up the display to do verbose properly and add the splash
12:05:05bluefoxxSo I'm trying compile sendfirm.c so that I can actually use it
12:05:18n1sjhMikeS: ok
12:05:21bluefoxxThis is all the farther I've managed to get so far
12:05:39n1show does bootloader updating work btw, just drop nk.bin on the fw partition?
12:05:57n1sbluefoxx: didn't beastpatcher work?
12:06:13bluefoxxn1s: No, it did not
12:06:28jhMikeSn1s: yeah, once you're in, it's that simple
12:06:46n1sbluefoxx: ok, "libmtp.h: No such file or directory" means you need the libmtp headers
12:07:18n1sjhMikeS: i'll try that then, have been meaning to go single boot anyway
12:07:19bluefoxxn1s: How do I get those?
12:07:59n1sbluefoxx: this was ubuntu? sudo apt-get install libmtp-dev should do it
12:08:11bluefoxxI'll do that and try again, thanks
12:08:51bluefoxx...Beastpatcher seems to have crashed the VM.
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12:13:41n1sah, firmware restore :)
12:15:47n1sheh, gnome thinks it's a camera in mtp mode
12:18:00n1shmm, firmware restore again
12:21:01bluefoxxRight, so now after installing libmtp-dev, I get instead
12:21:37n1sthen you probably need to install the actual library :)
12:21:53n1sjust drop the "-dev" from the other command
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12:22:40bluefoxxApparently it is installed already, either by default in 10.04 or having hitched a ride with -dev
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12:24:42n1smight be a version mismatch or something, sendfirm isn't maintained anymore i think, since beastpacher should be used
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12:31:32n1shmm, my old dualboot nk.bin works so maybe i'm at that version where single boot doesn't :/
12:32:05jhMikeSdo the fix
12:32:54bluefoxxDoes anybody have a copy of the original nk.bin file that does work?
12:32:59n1salso that no backlight after usb hit again so it's not gone only hard to trigger :(
12:33:25jhMikeSsee fs#9778
12:33:59n1sbluefoxx: the one linked in the installation instructions should work
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12:34:48bluefoxxn1s: You mean the one for windows, which can't make heads nor tails of the device sans-firmware?
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12:35:19bluefoxxWhenever I've run it, it's gone and sent nk.bin to an mmc card that sits in a cardreader as a memtest boot disc
12:35:42n1sbluefoxx: ah, you used the updater included in the zip?
12:35:55bluefoxxn1s: See">
12:35:55n1sthe instructions tell you what to do with the zip
12:36:55n1s(extract the nk.bin file and use it with beastpatcher)
12:37:06bluefoxxI'll try that then
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12:45:27n1sjhMikeS: is there anything else i need to do to my freshly built bootloader nk.bin? i installed the OF from the and then used beastpatcher to transfer my bootloader nk.bin and now it wants to restore again
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12:46:20jhMikeSnot to my knowledge, you flashed it back to 1.1?
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12:47:28n1sdo i actually need to run the updater or is transferring the 1.1 nk.bin enough?
12:47:40n1sbecause that's what i did and it started fine
12:48:29jhMikeSthink you need to run the updater. just dumping the nk.bin won't bring the flash revision back down.
12:48:32fml[Saint]: bidir limit only tells when to scroll in only one direction and when to bounce. Neither case case a pause in between (whether a new scroll round or before scrolling back in the bidir case).
12:49:12jhMikeSbetter follow that readme
12:49:18n1sah, so i need to go into windows then
12:50:30[Saint]fml: do you by chance have a synced version of FS #9356?
12:51:06n1smeh, i'll stick with dualboot
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12:56:44jhMikeSlol...a few minutes of windows is worse than dual?
12:57:47n1smybe i'll do it if i reboot into windows later but i don't really use the beast since i messed up the hp jack on it
12:58:45*jhMikeS has two extra boards with shiny headphone jacks
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13:02:27n1sthat's good if you ever break them, the beast hp jack isn't as flimsy as some (sansas) but IIRC it doesn't have any support apart from the solder points
13:03:16fml[Saint]: no, sorry
13:04:27[Saint]that's cool...I was just checking. I saw the post regarding it in the forums and checked it out, as I've increased the timeout for RaaA myself.
13:04:38[Saint]but I didn't make it configurable ;)
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13:09:47n1sjhMikeS: do yu have any suspicions about what causes the problems with single boot after the update? except that it's in flash
13:10:15n1sand where can i find the code that decides it needs a restore? ;)
13:11:24PurlingNayuki Is anyone know a patch to make Rockbox support 24band EQ?
13:11:28jhMikeSno, I don't know yet but it's in the eboot.bin I believe
13:11:37PurlingNayukiI always saw it, but never found.
13:11:55bluefoxxWell, after a minor amount of cussing, I've managed to get beastpatcher to cooperate and just finished tossing a ./rockbox folder onto the second partition
13:12:06n1sjhMikeS: maybe i'll try poking around if i can find some motivation :)
13:12:21bluefoxxI seem to be able to consistantly boot the thing without it eating itself now
13:12:30bluefoxxBut instead I get a file not found error
13:12:44bluefoxxEven though I'm quite and rather sure that there's a .rockbox folder there
13:13:25jhMikeSn1s: what's odd is that it seems to have a memory
13:13:47jhMikeSbluefoxx: now you need the .tar trick in the /Content/00/0b00 directory (make it if not there)
13:13:53Zagorpixelma, [Saint], kkurbjun: WikiUsers is automatically edited by the wiki software on registration. these are accounts where the registration process was terminated at some point. so they got an account and a line in WikiUsers but no user page was created.
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13:14:07bluefoxxjhMikeS: Uhm?
13:14:29jhMikeSor dump rockbox.gigabeat in that directory
13:14:38[Saint]Zagor: Thanks, so they are "safe" to remove?
13:15:09Zagor[Saint]: yes, although I think I want to it myself so I can remove their htpasswd lines at the same time
13:15:43jhMikeSbluefoxx: it's /Content/0b00/00/, not what I typed before
13:15:50[Saint]yes, no...sorry for the confusion. I wasn't suggesting I'd do it myself.
13:15:57[Saint]Zagor: ^
13:16:07bluefoxxjhMikeS: And I want to be moving or copying rockbox into there
13:16:13n1sjhMikeS: how do you mean it has a memory?
13:16:30bluefoxxThe disk seems to be working, but it's brilliantly sluggish as far as writes go
13:16:41jhMikeSn1s: afaiu it boots rb once then wants to restore after that
13:17:00n1sjhMikeS: ah, yes it did that for me every time
13:17:43n1sbut that boot happens as soon as the mtp transfer completes automatically
13:18:22jhMikeSso it could be loading from two different places
13:18:53fml[Saint]: I wondered that we don't have an option for this since in all computers you can e.g. define how quickly you have to click the mouse to make it a double click. It depends very much on the person and makes you feel comfortable.
13:19:31jhMikeSn1s: so after the mtp, there's no reset, correct? (it's been so long I don't remember clearly)
13:19:51[Saint]I had a quick look at syncing the patch, but, most of it needs to be re-written...and I just don't have time right now.
13:19:59[Saint]fml: ^
13:20:25n1sjhMikeS: hard to say but it boots whatever was uploaded even if the subsequent boot will fail
13:21:06jhMikeSdoes it go back to the gigabeat splash?
13:21:30n1snow i'm unsure, let me test
13:22:52n1syes it does
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13:26:20fml[Saint]: first, we need to find out whether it's worth to do it. Nobody seemed to be interested in the feature at that time.
13:27:13n1sjhMikeS: yes, it goes back to the gigabeat splash and you can hear the hd park and spin down
13:28:11bluefoxxRockbox boots on the thing now, and I can cycle the power without the firmware eating the disk's contents
13:28:26bluefoxxWrite speeds however, are positively abysmal.
13:28:27n1sbluefoxx: congratulations
13:28:33bluefoxxless than a meg per second :(
13:28:42jhMikeSread speeds?
13:28:48bluefoxxReads seem to be fine
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13:30:17jhMikeSPehaps needing pio on write because of that drive bug?
13:31:25jhMikeSSounds like it's running PIO0 or something
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13:33:29bluefoxxAverages a relatively flat 14 meg read">
13:37:55bluefoxxEr, wait
13:38:36bluefoxxThere, now those'll work
13:38:50bluefoxxDisk says it's in UDMA4 mode
13:40:33jhMikeSI'm wondering if ata.c is asking for too many sectors to DMA, the driver's limit is 256*512 atm
13:41:15jhMikeSif DMA setup fails for some reason, it uses PIO
13:42:49bluefoxxI tossed a couple of binary dumps into the /gb/ folder too, if those are any help at all
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13:45:32bluefoxxSo how would I remedy this?
13:46:34jhMikeSa more cooperative drive :) for the moment anyway
13:47:00bluefoxxI don't have another $90 to toss at another drive
13:47:57jhMikeSit probably should deal with target driver limitations (which can be increased a bit anyway)
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13:51:05jhMikeSit can't just do whatever lba48 can ask of it, it needs to break it up
13:52:18bluefoxx How hard would this be to fix?
13:53:52jhMikeSnot that bad I'd think and it probably should be fixed
14:03:55jhMikeSI could make a patch and see if it fixes the problem (so it can dma the full memory size)
14:04:32jhMikeSor just make a build
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14:05:47bluefoxxEither of those would be nice. I'd be willing to try doing it myself, but as has been established, I lack an ability to code
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14:11:18jhMikeSI post it after it finishes compiling
14:12:41*PurlingNayuki is tired with compiling again and again.">
14:15:29bluefoxxHow do I use this file?
14:17:13jhMikeSjust overwrite the one in .rockbox
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14:21:11bluefoxxSeems it must be my disk :\
14:21:42bluefoxxI'm averaging 600KB/s now, but when there's still ~110GB of space to fill
14:22:04bluefoxxWell I get an estimate of 6 hours for eleven and some gigs
14:22:35jhMikeSabout the only thing left would be enabling the emulation layer :\
14:25:14bluefoxxI presume there's documentation on this hiding someplace then?
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14:26:25jhMikeSit's either part of the build or not, not an option
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15:01:06n1sStummi: somethings up with sdl on your "argon-stummi" (i assume it's yours)
15:01:21Stummiyes its mine
15:02:14Stummiaccording to log all seems to be ok
15:02:50Stummii just stopped my buildclient
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16:31:53jhMikeSFuze v2 is considered stable or not (stupid question?)
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16:39:29Zagorwiki says "Rockbox is stable on the Fuze v1 and v2."
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17:00:37jhMikeSZagor: meh, why am I missing that? I read release stuff and just say "Fuze". It seemed ambiguous (to me anyway).
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17:01:36ZagorI can agree with that
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17:07:35bluefoxxThree hours and I've managed barely seven and some gigs onto the new drive. There must be a way to eke some more speed out of this, 600KB/s write can't be the upper limit for this drive
17:14:04TornejhMikeS: Rockbox never issues accesses bigger than 256 sectors, afaik
17:14:21TornejhMikeS: the ATA code supports it, but none of hte clients of the storage system actually try.
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17:23:30jhMikeSTorne: ok, gotcha. splitting my concentration here between things :)
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20:24:09dfkt_for the hell of it, i can't find the huge repository of unofficial rockbox fonts, hosted on some developer's site, anymore - anyone able to link me?"> ?
20:27:41dfkt_thanks kugel, exactly what i was looking for
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20:40:23n1sit looks like that button reading simplification could be done for fuzev1 and e200v2 too
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20:40:59bertrikwhat simplification?
20:41:28n1seh 29097
20:41:36n1seg, latest commit
20:42:23n1sseems to be some slight weirdness with the powerbutton though but that can be special cased
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20:59:30n1sbertrik: ah, i see you wrote the last big patch that touched that stuff, do you know why the power button is inversed?
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21:02:41bertrikno, but the power button is of course a bit special because it wakes up the player, I guess it's just the way it's wired
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21:05:24n1sis that reading done in an interrupt or is this stuff polling?
21:05:48bertrikin an interrupt as far as I remember
21:06:24bertrikoh wait, a tick task it was, I think
21:06:50bluebroth3rn1s: I've successfully separated voice string correction strings from into a separate file :)
21:07:03n1sah, i might look into simplifying it this weekend, will probably not have much impact though
21:07:11n1sbluebroth3r: nice :)
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21:08:03n1si wonder if the cost of running button reading as a tick task is measurable
21:08:26bluebroth3rn1s: Now I need to check that against Qt's regexp documentation. They behave slightly different but unless too advanced features of Perls regexps are used (which shouldn't happen) I don't see much of a problem here. Might be necessary to do some replacement on them before running them through QRegExp.
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21:12:03bluebroth3rn1s: what do you think about the input file format? And all people familiar with Perl, does this look ok?
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21:14:06n1sbluebroth3r: looks fine but isn't the / separator a little confusing?
21:15:32n1si mean since it's used both in the replacement expression and between the various fields
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21:16:36bluebroth3rno, I treat all fields separately :)
21:17:14bluebroth3rso I have a search and a replacement field. The idea is to be able to use a different separator (I think I did that for one line to try it)
21:17:33bluebroth3rso if a string happens to contain a / you can simply use something else.
21:17:53n1syes, i just meant that using the same separator char is a little harder to read
21:18:12n1snot a big broblem though
21:18:49bluebroth3rI was thinking about tab-separating the fields but thought using / is a bit more to what one is used when knowing regexps
21:19:01bluebroth3rI'm missing syntax hilighting most :)
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21:25:22thomasjfoxhey kugel. Does the database play count stuff (most played / recently played tracks) stuff work on android?
21:26:23kugelno idea
21:26:38kugelbut you need to enable "gather runtime data" for it to work at all
21:28:07thomasjfoxIf enabled it
21:28:15thomasjfoxIt worked for two (?) tracks
21:28:39thomasjfoxIf = I have ;)
21:28:59thomasjfoxOk, so this probably needs investigation...
21:29:11thomasjfoxSo far the sigaltstack is running very fine!
21:29:22thomasjfoxUse it daily for several hours
21:29:58kugeldid you investigate why the arm one doesn't work?
21:30:07thomasjfoxNot yet
21:30:24kugeldoes gcc use neon for ordinary code?
21:30:41thomasjfoxno idea
21:30:45kugelI wonder we need to save the fp registers in the context switch
21:31:03thomasjfoxIIRC that was not the source of the issue
21:31:16thomasjfoxit was "make dep" / reconfigure
21:31:28thomasjfoxbut we could try
21:31:57kugelso the arm-asm threads work after make clean?
21:32:25thomasjfoxNo, it didn't work.
21:32:27thomasjfoxNow I remember
21:32:33thomasjfoxit was related to the increase of the stack size
21:32:53thomasjfoxthat's where I needed the "make dep" stuff after switching the thread implementations
21:33:22thomasjfoxthe arm-asm stuff didn't work for me
21:33:31thomasjfoxthe fp registers might be worth a try
21:34:02thomasjfox(as I had to enable neon support to get access to some arm assembler related commands)
21:34:57kugelyou could try building for armv6, it should work then
21:35:12kugeland if it does it suggests some armv7 special case breaking it
21:35:26kugelbut iirc you tried saving r12 and it did work also?
21:36:32thomasjfoxthe r12 thing was bogus
21:36:45thomasjfoxdowngrading the arm version is a good idea
21:37:02thomasjfoxI'll also steal the neon support from the gcc config
21:37:36kugeldid you play with pulseaudio in the meantime?
21:38:33thomasjfoxDidn't have time yet. Currently planning a Japan vacation and this sucks up my free time. Hopefully this will be considered done by the weekend.
21:38:54thomasjfoxFirst thing is to refactor the simcc() into maemocc() like you suggested
21:38:59kugelno hurry :)
21:39:36thomasjfoxOh well, I really like to get this upstream :)
21:39:50thomasjfoxPandora port will be next ;)
21:40:11thomasjfox(which will also benefit from the pulseaudio changes)
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22:03:21thomasjfoxkugel: ASSEMBLER_THREADS also segfaults in arm v5 mode and disabled neon support
22:03:36thomasjfoxkugel: Always at the same place. Here's a backtrace:
22:03:55kugelimpossible :) that's the combination we use on android
22:04:08thomasjfoxI know
22:04:38kugelcan you log the stack usage somehow?
22:05:07kugelI'm willing to believe that my recent change put a bit more pressure on the stack
22:05:11thomasjfoxI already increased the stack size to 0x40000
22:05:17thomasjfoxIt always crashes at the same place
22:05:35thomasjfoxwhich is rather odd as the thread switches shouldn't be that reproducable
22:05:37kugeldoes it recompile most of the c files when you change thread.h?
22:05:43thomasjfoxI mean, it should crash in different places...
22:06:02thomasjfoxI do a "make clean ; make dep ; make -j4" to be on the safe side
22:06:16thomasjfoxI do = That's what I -did-
22:06:21kugelis it always the same file?
22:06:38kugelthe file could be the culprit
22:06:41thomasjfoxI removed it and now it segfaults reproducable at another file
22:06:51thomasjfoxlet me remove the whole albume
22:07:12kugelyou can use .database_ignore
22:08:10thomasjfoxnow it's another file
22:08:49kugelthe last entry only shows ??(), I suspect that's a glibc call. is there a way to get debug symbols for it?
22:08:55thomasjfoxone thing I noticed: It crashed around 31534 files and now it crashes after 32786 (not 32768) files
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22:09:20thomasjfoxHmm, I suspected the stack is corrupt and that's why it shows ??()
22:09:36kugelthe metadata parser don't yield() afaik
22:09:44thomasjfoxThe amount of files is pretty close to a full 16 bit value
22:10:15kugelI've successfully scanned 1.3M files
22:11:50thomasjfoxAre the registers on arm split like on x86, so you can have 2x 16 bit registers from a single 32bit register if you want?
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22:14:06thomasjfoxI'll just try setting gcc's -mcpu switch to the "lower" CPU of the n8xx
22:15:24thomasjfoxsame difference
22:16:21thomasjfoxtoo bad valgrind is not running properly (lacking some opcodes of the cortex-a8 cpu)
22:17:56kugelcan yo
22:18:09kugelcan you install libc6-dbg to see where it crashes?
22:18:35thomasjfoxI think it's already installed, let me have a look
22:18:55thomasjfoxYep, already installed
22:19:22thomasjfoxI just compared two backtraces from different mp3 files
22:19:45wodzkugel, thomasjfox: have you seen FS #11881 ?
22:19:45thomasjfoxBoth crash with the same pointer: setid3v2title (fd=25, entry=0x1bceb8)
22:20:12kugelthe entry could be always the same
22:21:27kugelI don't think the stack is corrupt, you enlarged it sufficiently I'd say
22:22:10kugeldid you try an #error if your stack size is really taken? (you see I'm beginning to get out of ideas)
22:22:12thomasjfoxwodz: I guess the iriver h300 simulator uses another LCD_xyz define we didn't exclude for the "fast mode" and the LCD memory layout is not compatible
22:22:34thomasjfoxkugel: I'll check it again. I'm running out of ideas, too...
22:23:41kugelone could try to save everything in the context switch that setjmp() also saves. I can't manage to find the setjmp source file in the damned glibc sources though
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22:26:39thomasjfoxwodz: I think I found the source of the issue
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22:27:15diodewhere in source code do i change charge current sent to fuzeV2?
22:27:23thomasjfoxwodz: The remote iriver h300 uses "LCD_REMOTE_PIXELFORMAT VERTICAL_PACKING"
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22:33:00thomasjfoxwodz, kugel: Fix for FS #11881:
22:34:35kugelisn't LCD_REMOTE_PIXELFORMAT always defined for targets with remote?
22:35:00gbl08maHi everyone. Lately, while reading the wiki, I've found some things I could easily update, mainly these things are outdated tables that don't include information for new devices. Also, I want to add some more information about the LUA interpreter that might be useful for people willing to develop for Rockbox in this language
22:35:21gbl08maSo, I'm asking for writing permission. My username on the wiki is GabrielMaia
22:35:50AlexPgbl08ma: One mo
22:36:08thomasjfoxkugel: Yes. The fast blit mode doesn't support that, it's either VERTICAL_PACKED or VERTICAL_INTERLEAVED for remote LCDs
22:36:55kugelLCD_REMOTE alone would be a better check I think
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22:37:36AlexPWhy does the wiki think every bloody change I make is suspicious?
22:37:42thomasjfoxkugel: Is there such a thing?
22:37:48AlexPgbl08ma: OK, done - you should be able to edit stuff now
22:38:01n1sthomasjfox, kugel HAVE_REMOTE_LCD
22:38:18gbl08maAlexP: Thanks
22:38:23kugelAlexP: you know why :)
22:38:32AlexPgbl08ma: Did you already register and do what the confirmation email said?
22:38:36AlexPkugel: Thanks :)
22:38:39kugelbut seriously, it acts the same for me
22:39:09AlexPAh well, it is just a little odd, but never mind
22:39:12thomasjfoxthat's why I didn't find it while grepping for HAVE_LCD_REMOTE ;)
22:39:41thomasjfoxkugel: Ok, just change the check to HAVE_REMOTE_LCD
22:40:04gbl08maAlexP: if the email would have been sent... i don't receive anything
22:40:29AlexPgbl08ma: Check spam etc., as you aren't showing as being registered at the moment I don't think
22:40:38AlexPgbl08ma: So it won't work until you complete that
22:41:09gbl08maAlexP: btw, just after i sent the submission form, it showed the "suspicious" warning and confirmation, i clicked OK
22:41:26AlexPgbl08ma: yeah, it does that for me too, no idea why
22:42:26AlexPgbl08ma: Have a hunt around for the e-mail, if you haven't got it try prodding either Bagder or Zagor, one of them might be also to push it through
22:43:30gbl08maAlexP: well, i'm not receiving any email, I'm going do something else and check back later. I entered the email of my site, which is my main email, and always worked with Rockbox things, I'm not sure why it doesn't work now. Perhaps it's just server slowdows.
22:43:52thomasjfoxkugel: I verified with #error it takes my stack size.
22:43:55AlexPgbl08ma: Or wiki weirdness
22:45:36thomasjfoxkugel: I'll finish the ASSEMBLER_THREADS tests for today.
22:45:46gbl08mamy email is under a subdomain,, perhaps that's preventing the wiki from sending the email.
22:47:31AlexPdunno, I'm not an admin. Let's see if it just got delayed before doing any poking
22:47:50kugelthomasjfox: okay, that's unfortunate :)
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22:48:17thomasjfoxkugel: You got something test (soonish)?
22:49:53kugelcopying set/loadjmp into load/store_context could be worth a try
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22:49:55pixelmaAlexP: I also got the "suspicious change please check again" lately when doing some small changes in the wiki
22:49:55gbl08maAlexP: I got to go. Tomorrow or later today I'll check if I receive anything and if not, I'll come back here :) thanks for your help, editing the wiki is not urgent for me but it'd be nice if i could help.
22:50:14AlexPgbl08ma: cool :)
22:50:21AlexPpixelma: As long as it isn't just me :)
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22:51:54pixelmamaybe something became "overcautious" after the update. There also seem more and more reports about failed registration/activation mails
22:52:01thomasjfoxkugel: Let's split this up: You prepare the patch and I brush my teeth. Sounds like team work, heh :o)
22:52:42kugel <- newlib saves fp regs also
22:53:47kugelI'll try
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23:03:12kugelnewlib also saves ip, which IIRC is r12?
23:05:12kugelnewlib doesn't save fp regs, it's within #if 0
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23:06:24kugelbut uclibc does
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23:16:41thomasjfoxkugel: I have to leave now, sorry
23:16:47kugelno problem
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23:17:12thomasjfoxWould be nice if you could apply the fix for fs #11881, I've updated the patch on pastebin
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23:21:51thomasjfoxkugel: crap, updating the patch results in a new URL: is the correct one
23:22:42thomasjfoxgood night
23:22:47kugelgood night
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23:27:32CIA-7New commit by kugel (r29098): Fix FS #11881. Patch by Thomas Jarosch
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23:33:48wodzperl gurus show up: FS #11893
23:34:16CIA-7r29098 build result: All green
23:35:37kugelwodz: why perl? :(
23:36:18wodzIf you want to rewrite it once more in other language - no problem :-)
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23:37:42kugelif you re-write it completely any you could pick a sane language
23:37:55kugelbut that's just my opinion, people seem to like perl
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23:38:29newClipUserhello people, I hooked up 3 AA alkaline batteries to power my sansa clip+ and it runs just fine
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23:58:11Rasii have a strange thing with rockbox on my e260v2
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23:58:37Rasiif i copy music to it, using the rockbox firmware, it happens that it powers off automatically and cannot be turned on again
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23:58:51Rasiafter like 20 minutes it works again, suddenly

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