#rockbox 2011-01-21

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01:55:19	mudd1	How can I get translated strings from within a plugin?
01:55:46	mudd1	#include "lang.h" gets me a linker error
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02:04:51	mudd1	I'm going to go to sleep
02:05:01	mudd1	just highlight me if you think you can help me out
02:05:04	mudd1	I'll check the logs
02:05:13	mudd1	good night
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02:43:14	[Saint]	Does your audio need to be in the sdcard/rockbox/ directory for the database init to find them on RaaAoA?
02:43:56	[Saint]	I wouldn't have thought so personally. But this seems to be the case.
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02:49:44	JdGordon\|	no
02:50:43	[Saint]	well...it's the only way I can get the DB to work on my Galaxy... :/
02:51:28	[Saint]	kugel: (logs) Any suggestions? ^
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03:12:36	[Saint]	yo, JdGordon\|...what magic is involved in getting a particular target to use a larger bootsplash?
03:12:53	[Saint]	Do I just have to add it to SOURCES?
03:13:18	[Saint]	s/add it to/change it in/
03:14:45	JdGordon\|	dunno
03:16:35	[Saint]	hmmm...trial and error time I suppose. ;)
03:17:55	JdGordon\|	it is probably just manginglg sources
03:23:43	[Saint]	I made a really nice bootsplash, but it's way too small.
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06:54:28	Thopter	Is it generally not possible in Rockbox to send a currently-playing song to a not-playing playlist? Say I'm playing through all my music on the player, and I come across a song I want to add to a different playlist. Is there a way to do that while playing, or do I have to stop playback and do it roundabout way?
06:56:43	JdGordon\|	you dont have to stop [playback
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07:02:34	Thopter	reading the manual, it says that if music is playing, then the selected song will be added to the current playlist. I figured that meant I had to stop playback to add to a new playlist
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07:36:22	Thopter	Is it generally not possible in Rockbox to send a currently-playing song to a not-playing playlist? Say I'm playing through all my music on the player, and I come across a song I want to add to a different playlist. Is there a way to do that while playing, or do I have to stop playback and do it roundabout way?
07:37:02	Torne	please don't just ask the same question over and over, especially when only two people have joined who weren't here the first time.
07:37:13	Thopter	wow
07:37:20	Torne	if nobody knew half an hour ago, then nobody knows now, probably
07:37:25	Torne	ask on the forums where it will get a wider audience
07:37:28	Thopter	way to overreact to a SECOND post
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07:38:02	Torne	by "overreact" they mean "ask politely that you stop and suggest a better way to get an answer", i guess
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08:05:56	CIA-7	New commit by jethead71 (r29099): Gigabeat S: Renovate bootloader a bit to show splash, implement verbose, shutdown on low battery, handle hold-switch-on and wait only so long for USB ...
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10:18:59	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmmmm....is there any particular reason you can't make an .apk out of a fullzip?
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12:08:06	newuser	hello, I am a new rockbox user. I have just installed on my clip+ first thing I want to do is enable user ratings but I can't see how to do it in the manual. It states that you have to enable GATHER RUNTIME INFORMATION but it does not explain how to do this, does anyone know?
12:11:11	pixelma	there's a seperate option in the database settings you have to enable
12:12:30	newuser	ok, i have searched though the documents but i can't find a tutorial or explination as to how to set this option. Is this a rockbox setting I can find on my player under the database section?
12:13:56	pixelma	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1330008 and related may be a nice read
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12:14:54	AlexP	http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-430004.2 for the database bit
12:15:08	AlexP	And yes, gather runtime data should be in the database menu
12:19:10	newuser	i see it under setting, general settings, i am trying to set it now
12:20:33	newuser	ok i now see an entry "Set Song Rating" in the context menu however when i select it i get "<no Info> then it exits me back to the playing song
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12:25:48	newuser	also the icon for set song rating is a '?' this this correct for this function
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12:27:25	newuser	what does <no info> mean anyway, do i have to load my own menu here somehow?
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12:30:46	newuser	does anyone here know about to enable the Set Song Ratings?
12:31:07	AlexP	Did you turn on gather runtime data?
12:31:18	AlexP	And do you have an initialised database?
12:31:41	newuser	i found the setting and i selected yes
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12:32:08	newuser	do i select initialize now next?
12:32:54	newuser	ok i have selected initialise now and it says updating in background
12:33:08	newuser	will it notify me when it if finished?
12:34:30	AlexP	should do
12:34:35	AlexP	Or maybe not :)
12:34:41	AlexP	I never use the database so I'm not sure
12:35:05	newuser	ok i will try it
12:35:24	newuser	so that means you don't use the user rating right?
12:35:29	AlexP	yes
12:35:39	AlexP	I know what music I like :)
12:35:52	AlexP	And I have it nicely organised and use the file browser
12:36:46	newuser	i like to load new music and discover new tracks that i like this way, do you know why the rating feature is not installed by default? I think in the origial firmware they had this function im not sure i installed rockbox right away but i think it was there it is a basic feature
12:39:00	AlexP	because the database needs to be enabled, which uses resources if you don't want it
12:39:06	AlexP	And lots of people don't want it
12:39:35	AlexP	And it is only a basic feature if you want it, I think it is a useless feature for instance
12:40:35	newuser	interesting i love metadata, i build complex playlists with ratings, playcounts etc btw thanks for pointing me in the right direction
12:47:42	AlexP	no worries, I hope you get it going :)
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12:49:05	pixelma	it doesn't really notify you when it's finished when it's updating in the background but you should be able to see it in the statusbar - there's a symbol to the far right that displays disk access. During the initiliase process it is on all the time and off when it's finished, on initialising you need to reboot after that has finished (on next boot you'll see a splash "Commiting databes x/9")
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12:59:41	newuser	hi pixelma, yes i do see the icon, it has been on for around 30m or so, should i continue to wait? also if i see the message "Commiting databases" is that a bad sign or normal?
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18:23:39	pixelma	fml (logs): is the delay settable, or maybe - does it use the scroll delay setting for bidirectional scrolling or so?
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18:25:06	fml	pixelma: hello. The delay between rounds is settable. It's the double of the "Start scroll delay".
18:25:33	pixelma	double?
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18:26:03	fml	pixelma: yes, like it's always been
18:26:18	dway1	hello, is it ok to ask for help here?
18:26:27	pixelma	fml: sorry, I didn't understand
18:26:37	fml	pixelma: it's the delay between two rounds. The delay before the first scrolling is just the setting.
18:26:43	pixelma	dway1: if it's Rockbox related then yes
18:27:14	dway1	yes, it is. i'm trying to install rockbox on an 2th gen. ipod mini, using a Mac
18:27:37	pixelma	fml: so it reuses the current setting that was used for bidirectional scrolling?
18:28:21	dway1	I have formatted my ipod to fat32, and now I'm trying to install rockbox
18:28:37	fml	pixelma: there was (and is) only one setting: scroll start delay. It was used when scrolling bidirectionally and is now also used when only scrolling forward.
18:28:54	pixelma	fml: aha, all I wanted to know
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18:29:33	dway1	when i try to use rockbox utility, it tells me that bootloader is already installed. i say reinstall. then it says: Failed to read firmware directory
18:30:05	dway1	my question is: Do I need to restore the apple firmware there, before using rockbox utility?
18:30:13	dway1	If yes, how do I do that on a Mac?
18:30:24	fml	pixelma: I never use bidir scrolling and was annoyed by the fact that it's hard to catch the start of the text when it's only scrolling forward. There was a patch adding "+++" between two rounds, but what we have now is even nicer.
18:30:34	dway1	(so that fat32 stays)
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18:33:07	pixelma	dway1: yes, as far as I know, the Apple firmware needs to be in a working state. The easiest way to get a FAT formatted, working Ipod is an Itunes restore on a Windows PC but there is also a manual way but it's more complicated. There should be a page in our wiki, I believe it is called IpodManualRestore or similar
18:33:46	pixelma	fml (logs): yes, sounds more intuitive
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18:37:39	dway1	pixelma: all i can find is this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32
18:37:44	gbl08ma	Hi everyone. Yesterday I registered on the wiki and asked for write permission. But the activation email didn't come. AlexP, are you there? Yesterday I talked with you...
18:37:47	dway1	and it doesn't help with restoring the firmware
18:39:10	dway1	ah, i now see the page you mentioned
18:39:25	pixelma	dway1: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore (I don't have an Ipod myself though, maybe others are a better help - be a bit patient)
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18:44:21	dway1	pixelma: thanks for your help.
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19:41:39	gbl08ma	Anyone there who can solve my wiki registration problem? I just don't get the email, and almost 24 hours have passed...
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19:47:27	AlexP	gbl08ma: You need either Bagder or zagor
19:47:42	AlexP	gbl08ma: Hang around until one of them pops up :)
19:47:44	pixelma	I guess the safest way is to mail Zagor even though it may take a while
19:47:51	AlexP	yes, probably
19:48:08	AlexP	I can never remember which of them is more wiki ish :)
19:48:38	pixelma	AFAIK Zagor is in charge of it
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19:58:16	gbl08ma	and where can I find Zagor email address, or other reliable mean of "finding" him?
19:58:47	foolsh	FS #11898 I worked on this all night hope some one likes it plugin keymaps for the android port. but now im off to bed
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20:04:23	pixelma	gbl08ma: bjorn at haxx.se IIRC (this channel is logged so I won't write it out completely)
20:13:43	gbl08ma	already sent an email. thank you.
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20:25:52	bluebroth3r	is it really needed to get an activation mail when registering for the wiki?
20:26:20	bluebroth3r	I thought you only need to get added to the users list page with write permissions
20:26:40	bluebroth3r	gbl08ma: are you also gbl08ma in the tracker?
20:28:29	gbl08ma	bluebroth3r: yes I am gbl08ma on the tracker and on the forums
20:29:01	bluebroth3r	gbl08ma: can you still reproduce FS #11865?
20:31:04	gbl08ma	bluebroth3r: since I initialized the database, no.
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20:31:46	bluebroth3r	ok, then I'm going to close that as fixed. I can't reproduce it with an outdated or missing database anymore
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20:31:51	gbl08ma	bluebroth3r: it seems the bug was because the changes on the DB broke something that only got fixed after re-initializing.
20:32:46	gbl08ma	bluebroth3r: i don't really know, but AFAIK if a new field is added or removed from the DB, it breaks the whole thing
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20:43:48	audio-i	Hello, I'd appreciate some "official feedback" about this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27055.0.html
20:46:28	audio-i	that is the forum thread about someone asking to make a custom theme, in Themeing and appearance
20:46:35	*	gevaerts thinks
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20:47:21	gevaerts	I personally don't see a problem
20:47:24	bertrik	I don't mind if you create a theme for someone else for money
20:47:40	audio-i	I'm not taking the money
20:47:48	audio-i	so that's even easier :)
20:47:57	gevaerts	You're also free to create themes without taking money :)
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20:48:33	audio-i	ok fine I'll do it then... it semed a bit odd at first... thanks!
20:48:47	gevaerts	It's unusual, yes
20:49:42	gevaerts	But we don't have specific places for people to look for "contractors", so those end up on the forums or the regular mailing lists
20:50:24	bluebroth3r	do we actually have "contractors" around Rockbox?
20:51:04	gevaerts	No idea. We've had people asking for specific modifications on the mailing list, but it's not clear if those were ignored or handled privately
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20:57:53	*	domonoky really likes this theme sketch with postits and all.. someone should take this exact picture and create a theme out of it :-)
20:58:29	domonoky	similar to those pen&paper themes, a pen & post-its theme :-)
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21:04:41	audio-i	domonoky: yeah... I'll just go for the easy one this time :)
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21:06:31	S_a_i_n_t	uuuuurrrrgrh....well, at least it's not a private mail.
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21:07:05	S_a_i_n_t	I get quite a few "theme requests" (sometimes demands) in my inbox each month.
21:09:02	S_a_i_n_t	how have you done it audio-i?
21:09:14	S_a_i_n_t	have you used bitmaps for the numerals?
21:09:28	CIA-7	New commit by kugel (r29105): FS #11828: Fix in core mod parser to blindly accept any .mod you throw at it. Based on MikMod.
21:12:42	kugel	err, "to not blindy accept" :\
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21:16:42	webguest2	hi, still cannot register because of captcha ("invalid answer"). would be great if you take some action ;)
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21:19:10	audio-i	S_a_i_n_t: I haven't done it yet, but I think I'll just go for a big font. It will be needed for the menus also
21:20:23	S_a_i_n_t	audio-i: It's a little bit of extra effort, but I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find a CC-BY-SA font in that style to convert to .fnt
21:21:06	audio-i	S_a_i_n_t:you mean hand writing?
21:21:18	S_a_i_n_t	I was just thinking about it, and in that particular theme...it's the font that gives it the full effect.
21:22:54	audio-i	there's the font used for Pen&Paper and nerdSketch 320x240... I'll just have to choose "the most readable"
21:23:29	S_a_i_n_t	Will you be including the "post-its"?
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21:24:14	audio-i	hahah... nope... I'll do something very simple, readable and configurable
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21:34:57	wodz	today I faced weird behaviour on my nano2g - when I leave WPS and enter system->rockbox info and that came back to WPS album art is gone
21:35:11	wodz	have anyone seen this before?
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21:47:21	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: which theme, can it be reproduced with cabbiev2?
21:47:51	S_a_i_n_t	if so, which revision.
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21:49:14	wodz	cabbiev2
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21:49:43	wodz	r29031
21:50:17	wodz	I checked again - it is reproducible
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21:55:34	wodz	and another bug - If I choose iLike which disables icons and than select cabbiev2 again the icons are not restored
21:57:16	wodz	hmm in cabbiev2 it is harder to trigger but in cabbiev2 Blue it is 100% reproducible
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22:18:36	wodz	S_a_i_n_t: the problem I described is easily reproducible in sim with cabbiev2 Blue theme
22:19:58	pixelma	I guess then the cabbiev2 blue theme doesn't set icons (or doesn't reset it to "-")
22:20:44	S_a_i_n_t	yeah...that's not really a bug...just an inconvenience.
22:21:00	S_a_i_n_t	man...I'm not sure I could have spelt that worse.
22:22:31	wodz	I was referring to missing albumart after leaving WPS and entering again
22:22:53	S_a_i_n_t	Oh, right.
22:22:54	wodz	perhaps cabbiev2 Blue is buggy
22:23:10	S_a_i_n_t	basically...I only care if that happens in cabbie.
22:23:32	S_a_i_n_t	any themes we don't ship can be as buggy as they want.
22:24:38	pixelma	overlapping viewports? Maybe not completely off but still ;)
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22:34:55	Buschel	as FS #11865 has been closed. how do we proceed with FS #11746 and FS #11797 ?
22:36:17	wodz	Buschel: as of FS #11746 - I couldn't reproduce on my CFed mini1g
22:39:16	Buschel	we could of course wait a few days and see whether we get some more response. if not, we should close it −− just my opinion.
22:39:25	Buschel	same of course for FS #11797
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22:41:35	rapid99	can someone help me with a simple question?
22:42:06	rapid99	I'm trying to use the automated rockbox installation... do I need to format my iPod using FAT32 first?
22:43:47	wodz	Any opinions about FS #11893 ?
22:45:40	Buschel	wodz: sorry, but I cannot really judge this :/
22:47:18	Buschel	rapid99: at least I didn't do this when I installed rockbox.
22:47:24	rapid99	hmmmm
22:47:30	rapid99	do I need to have iTunesHelper running?
22:47:33	rapid99	cause I don't
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22:48:58	Buschel	rapid99: I never used iTuner or the OF (except when starting it by accident). so, no
22:49:16	rapid99	ummm, the drive shows up in windows but windows asks me to format the drive
22:49:37	rapid99	but I don't think that's the right thing to do... however, trying to use the Rockbox Utility it says that the partition is not writable
22:49:55	rapid99	so what do I do to make it writable without formatting?
22:50:02	AlexP	rapid99: It needs to be a winpod
22:50:10	rapid99	huh?
22:50:23	AlexP	It needs to be an ipod initialised by itunes for windows, not mac
22:50:28	rapid99	it is the iPod classic 4th gen..
22:50:32	rapid99	ohh
22:50:39	AlexP	There isn't a classic 4th gen
22:50:49	AlexP	Do you mean the 4th gen aka Color?
22:50:50	rapid99	so maybe I should get it initialized with my iTunes, then try using the Rockbox utility again?
22:50:52	AlexP	or Photo
22:50:55	rapid99	yeah the Color
22:51:13	AlexP	It needs to be a fat32 ipod, hfs+ from Mac isn't supported
22:51:17	rapid99	I just got this iPod and haven't used it with iTunes on this computer yet, so that's what I should do first ?
22:51:27	rapid99	ohh...
22:51:30	AlexP	yeah, restore it on windows itunes is the easiest way
22:51:37	rapid99	yeah ok
22:51:48	rapid99	so don't use the format feature in windows, let iTunes reformat it?
22:51:50	rapid99	cool sounds good
22:52:13	AlexP	yes, as it isn't just the filesystem, but also partition things
22:52:18	rapid99	ic ic
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22:52:32	AlexP	It is doable manually from linux, but if you have access to Windows itunes it is easier
22:52:58	rapid99	haha yep!!! iTunes says : "iTunes has detected a Macintosh-formatted iPod. You must...."
22:52:59	rapid99	WORD
22:53:02	rapid99	you guys rock
22:53:44	Bagder	+box!
22:54:22	rapid99	:D
22:54:49	Buschel	soap: you saw my question in FS #11830?
22:55:07	*	Buschel assumes his ipod's were pre-formatted then
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23:17:55	pixelma	kugel: I think it would be nice to state the revision of the premade apks on the android port page (if we want to keep them there at all)
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23:18:29	Deas_nwz-A826	hello.
23:18:44	pixelma	welcome
23:19:47	kugel	the text is pretty clear I think
23:19:54	Deas_nwz-A826	thank you, i just heard about rockbox, and i was wondering, what's the difference between a player without it and with it? i didn't see anything that really intreseted me on the site.
23:20:43	wodz	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox
23:20:44	pixelma	kugel: does it hurt to put an "rXXXXX" in front of the download links instead of just saying "arbitrary SVN revision"
23:21:12	pixelma	kugel: would be nice to see how outdated they are before downloading them
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23:21:40	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	ok cool @ wodz
23:23:17	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	but, what if i was to build rockbox to my mp3? i havent seen that my device is "supported"
23:23:17	wodz	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: although the main WhyRockbox for most of the people on this channel is "because it is fun to hack"
23:23:35	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	haha i see.
23:23:40	Bagder	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: rockbox only runs on the devices for which it has been crafted to run on
23:24:10	AlexP	with loving care
23:25:28	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	i want more features on my device, im too lazy to find a new device with bluetooth listing capability :[
23:25:56	AlexP	Rockbox won't magically make hardware appear
23:26:07	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	of course not.
23:27:00	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	but features such as making playlist or even delete songs from the device directly doesnt exist on my device thought u can delete videos on it.
23:27:51	AlexP	yes, Rockbox can do that
23:28:02	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: would you mind, at least, say what device you talk about?
23:28:11	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	see my nickname?
23:28:21	AlexP	But if you don't have a supported device, see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
23:28:48	pixelma	gbl08ma: I guess it is in his nick ;)
23:29:28	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	what pixekna said ;}
23:29:41	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	pixelma*
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23:31:50	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: sorry for that i see so many nicks on the net every day i stopped looking at theme. It's like my head automatically attributed a number ID to them and doesn't interpret the nick as a text :)
23:32:19	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: oh well. I see your device... from the menu screenshots, i'd say it'd allow things like deleting files...
23:32:48	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	yeah, it looks like you can, but you cant.
23:32:57	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	not songs atleast.
23:33:12	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	or pictures.
23:33:19	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	just videos.. <.<
23:33:55	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: anyways, if someone in the Rockbox community were interested in porting Rockbox to your device, either you wouldn't get bluetooth, or else it would be a lot of work to port rockbox since none of the supported players have bluetooth.
23:34:50	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: so, all the bluetooth code would have to be written from the scratch, to not talk about the drivers.
23:35:21	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	yeah, i figured that too because its so rare for a mp3 player to have bluetooh .__.
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23:36:37	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: I would suggest you searched for communities dedicated to hacking your specific device or others similar to yours, but after a quick google search there doesn't seem to be much open source nor hacking community interest.
23:37:35	gbl08ma	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82: perhaps, one day when your device gets as older as the Archos models Rockbox is able to run on, it will be supported by Rockbox or any other alternative firmware. for now, there's nothing Rockbox can do for you.
23:38:24	gevaerts	uhm, rockbox doesn't magically start to support devices when they get old...
23:38:39	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	lol, what he said -^
23:38:42	AlexP	Do we add anything other than binsize to archos these days? (serious question, not trying to be provocative)
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23:42:24	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	too bad that people get tired of these opensource project so fast.. i've seen it happen to several other projects, no updates for years, but they still hang around on irc x[
23:42:39	AlexP	how does that apply here?
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23:43:03	AlexP	Rockbox has an average ten or more updates per day
23:43:09	soap	Buschel, I haven't seen shit from IRC since we last talked realtime.
23:43:40	soap	My trip for next week to Virginia has been canceled, so after tonight I'm yours re:testing.
23:44:04	gbl08ma	gevaerts: of course. but there's a higher chance that older devices get supported, because they have been available for more time and there has been more time to do reverse-engineering. obviously, everything is relative, that's why i wrote a "perhaps" before anything i said.
23:44:22	pamaury	regarding bluetooth, it might not be exactly true: I have a GPS device with a SoC supported by rockbox and I nearly know how the run custom code. Furthermore, it has bluetooth, so one day we never know :D
23:44:59	Deas_SonyNWZ-A82	ok, see you in 10 years when i do not need this ? Dx
23:45:26	gbl08ma	My bad. I forgot about Rockbox as an appllication
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23:46:06	pamaury	well, perhaps there is a way to port bluez, the linux bluetooth stack, I'm not sure bluetooth is that complicated
23:46:21	gbl08ma	Deas: it's a bit like that... and it's not ten years, but two or three. it depends... :)
23:46:21	pamaury	but what bluetooth would be useful for ?
23:46:45	Deas	using bluetooth sound devices
23:46:55	Deas	such as headphones or handfree
23:47:08	gevaerts	gbl08ma: maybe for distant observers. For us, devices have a higher chance of getting supported if people actually work on them
23:47:10	gbl08ma	exactly... Rockbox as an application acts as a music player and recorder, why would it send/receive files by bluetooth?
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23:47:11	pamaury	I see
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23:47:51	gbl08ma	gevaerts: yes, and how much time does it actually take before people actually work on them?
23:48:05	pamaury	depends on lots of things
23:48:10	AlexP	gbl08ma: There is no set time
23:48:12	gevaerts	A few days, sometimes
23:48:22	AlexP	gbl08ma: It depends if someone with the skills that wants it turns up
23:48:22	gevaerts	Or a few years
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23:49:08	gevaerts	The point is that telling people to come back in a year is about the most counterproductive thing you can do
23:49:50	gevaerts	If you own a device and want rockbox on it, ideally you work on it yourself. If you can't do that for whatever reason, you try to convince other people who own the device to work on it.
23:49:51	pamaury	What is the shortest time difference between market entrance time and rockbox working on it ?
23:50:28	Bagder	it depends on how you count I guess
23:50:43	Bagder	we've done very fast ports when new variations have been introduced
23:50:44	pixelma	AlexP: well, some options and features are valid for all players
23:51:11	pamaury	ah yes, it's true that some devices only required minor modifications
23:52:05	gbl08ma	gevaerts: i didn't tell anyone to go away. i just said that it might take several years for a device to be supported. but it might not. it depends.
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23:52:34	gevaerts	Yes, but it mainly depends on what the people wanting it do, not on anything else
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23:55:35	gbl08ma	The problem is, most users that post on the forums saying "I want a port for device XXX" are people that won't work on it. and it might pass several years before someone says "I want it" AND works on it.
23:56:03	pamaury	That is true, but we can't do anything :)
23:56:08	gevaerts	This is where the second option comes in
23:56:11	AlexP	yes, and it might not, and it may well be that someone turns up in x days
23:56:15	gevaerts	Find other people who can do the work
23:56:22	AlexP	Or if you really really want it you do lots of learning :)
23:56:47	gevaerts	You likely won't find those here, because people here likely won't care about your particular device
23:56:59	pamaury	but then it might takes years too :)
23:57:06	gbl08ma	I don't know of anyone which actually learned lots of things in order to port Rockbox...
23:57:27	Bagder	we've seen many here
23:58:26	AlexP	Of all levelsd
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23:58:53	AlexP	e.g. people who started off adding the odd patch to a custom build, and now are integral members of the team.
23:58:55	gbl08ma	Let me know, has any of the Rockbox ports come from people that have been paid to do that specific port? It's that I only know Rockbox for one year... and I only know it's past from the documents available on the wiki...

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