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00:20:11	sideral	gevaerts: Did you read my message from last night?
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00:20:58	gevaerts	sideral: Yes. sd driver workings are seriously outside my area of expertise though
00:21:26	sideral	gevaerts: I've now double checked. Turns out it was all false positives :)
00:21:44	sideral	So the SD driver reads the correct data after all
00:21:59	gevaerts	Ah, good
00:22:25	sideral	back to the broken USB theory
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00:41:22	amiconn	kugel: ping
00:41:38	kugel	amiconn: pong
00:41:50	amiconn	I have some problems wrt the android sdk
00:42:15	amiconn	First, installToolchain.sh doesn't seem to work properly
00:43:08	amiconn	It downloads and unpacks the sdk and ndk, but (1) the permissions of several components are wrong so they only work for the user who installed them (probably more a problem of the packages rather than the script)
00:43:42	amiconn	And (2) installing the platform(s) doesn't work. I had to do that manually, using the GUI
00:44:11	amiconn	Second, how do I select which platform to use, i.e. what android version the build will run on?
00:45:08	amiconn	Third, now that I installed platforms, 'make apk' does some steps, but then throws an error regarding "debug.keystore". What's this and how can I fix it?
00:48:05	kugel	I don't know what installToolchain does
00:49:29	kugel	we run on 1.5+, but you should select the latest api version
00:50:04	amiconn	Ah, it was added by mcuelenaere
00:50:46	kugel	make apk should create a debug key (you need to sign apks) if it doesn't exist
00:51:08	kugel	Zagor implemented that iirc
00:51:46	amiconn	That doesn't seem to owrk then
00:52:15	amiconn	Keytool-Fehler: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/jens/.android/debug.keystore (No such file or directory)
00:53:30	amiconn	Ah, mkdir ~/.android fixes that
00:54:00	amiconn	Weird that it does try to create the keystore, but fails if the dir is missing instead of just creating it as well
00:54:58	sideral	pamaury, gevaerts: My newest theory regarding the Clip's USB corruption is that the bus-reset code is broken. I've now disabled the g_usbreset_count part from FS #11664 and hard-reset the driver each time a bus reset is requested. I'll run with this for a few days and see what happens.
00:55:27	kugel	I got my debug key through eclipse, but android.make should have the required commands
00:57:13	kugel	it should create the dir I guess
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02:03:44	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: I'm trying to figure out how to draw an image behind a progressbar, in the same viewport.
02:04:03	S_a_i_n_t	or...even in a different viewport, as long as the progressbar ends up on top.
02:04:40	S_a_i_n_t	(it needs to be conditional, otherwise I'd just draw it as part of the backdrop)
02:05:37	JdGordon\|	we discussed this a while ago, the progressbar needs another option to specify a bmp to draw before drawing the actual bar
02:06:13	S_a_i_n_t	I'm damn sure that doing %x(<blah>) in the line before %pb<blah>) used to work.
02:06:27	pixelma	careful ;)
02:06:27	S_a_i_n_t	I have code that achieved it before, but....it doesn't work anymore.
02:06:45	S_a_i_n_t	I wrote the code for a reason ;)
02:06:54	S_a_i_n_t	it apparently used to work... :P
02:07:04	S_a_i_n_t	(whetehr it was meant to or not...)
02:08:18	S_a_i_n_t	while we're on the topic of %x, is there any reason it needs an identifier?
02:08:56	S_a_i_n_t	specifying an identifier for a non-conditional object seems weird, perhaps I missunderstand the purpose of it.
02:10:27	JdGordon\|	you are correct
02:10:31	JdGordon\|	it technically doesnt
02:10:35	JdGordon\|	but the code is stupid
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02:13:41	JdGordon\|	%x is unlikely to work for bars which go backwards
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02:25:07	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: why would the bars orientation have anything to do with how %x works?
02:26:05	JdGordon\|	%x is only drawn when the viewport becomes visible, so it will fully draw once, then as the bar empties (i.e volume going down) the image wont be redrawn as you would expect
02:27:15	JdGordon\|	now, it dpends on what you actually want it to look like, but I am open to adding a "backdrop" image option to the bar tag
02:27:20	JdGordon\|	it should be prety simple
02:27:57	S_a_i_n_t	pixelma: from your post here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27055.msg177146.html#msg177146 what is the function of the "second magic colour"?
02:27:58	S_a_i_n_t	(0-255-255 in hex RGB)
02:29:14	S_a_i_n_t	I read it as "(0-255-255 in hex RGB) will always be replaced with the fg colour"...is this correct?
02:31:00	JdGordon\|	yes
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02:32:46	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: it shouldn't be necessary, should it? (backdrop field for bar tags). If %x or %xd is in the line prior to the progressbar/volumebar/bar in the same viewport, it should "just work".
02:32:55	S_a_i_n_t	it confuses me as to why it doesn't.
02:33:10	JdGordon\|	it will work if the bar only fills right or left
02:33:18	JdGordon\|	it wont work for volume or meters
02:33:32	JdGordon\|	and draw order could come into it normally also
02:33:55	S_a_i_n_t	why wouldn't it work for volume?
02:35:07	JdGordon\|	because unfilling the bar would cause the image to not get redrawn
02:35:57	S_a_i_n_t	then it shouldn't work for progressbars either, as they don't necessarily always fill in one direction.
02:36:02	S_a_i_n_t	(ffwd/rrwd)
02:36:14	JdGordon\|	indeed
02:36:22	JdGordon\|	but more often than not they only go in one direction
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02:51:36	preglow	bluebrother: didn't need to path anything in the ndk explicitely here
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03:12:13	preglow	any way to get rockbox back on the notification bar?
03:13:29	S_a_i_n_t	if it's running...it should be there.
03:13:41	preglow	turned up when i started playing something
03:14:23	preglow	weird, the hardware back key didn't work before, but now that works too
03:14:37	preglow	guess i'll have to test around more
03:14:50	preglow	still no way to exit it? :>
03:15:14	S_a_i_n_t	preglow: you don't need to.
03:15:25	S_a_i_n_t	it uses like literally no CPU when idle
03:15:48	preglow	assuming it now works properly without screwing up the sound
03:15:59	preglow	which i guess i'll find out tomorrow
03:16:13	preglow	but it needed shutting down from time to time with the last build
03:17:49	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: I've been doing some experimenting in the sim...and, it's bloody weird and I don't understand it.
03:18:14	S_a_i_n_t	How can the progressbar allow the backdrop to display in the unfilled area, but not an image loaded behind it?
03:18:36	S_a_i_n_t	I can find multiple examples of code that suggest it used to work this way.
03:24:38	JdGordon\|	because the backdrop is redrawn when the transparent magic colour is drawn in the pb
03:25:43	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...so it doesn't understand the concept of layers being in front/behind?
03:25:57	JdGordon\|	there are no layers in rockbox
03:26:21	S_a_i_n_t	I would have thought if an image was drawn behind the progressbar, it would display that as opposed to the backdrop.
03:28:16	JdGordon\|	you'd have thought wrong then
03:28:52	S_a_i_n_t	Occasionally I like to pretend that the skin code is sane...
03:29:06	JdGordon\|	it is
03:29:14	JdGordon\|	you are presuming too much of rockbox
03:29:23	JdGordon\|	rockbox has no idea of z-ordering or layering
03:29:31	S_a_i_n_t	not being able to do this one thing basically fucks my entire theme. it's really frustrating.
03:29:32	JdGordon\|	it knows forground and background only
03:30:44	S_a_i_n_t	a way around it would be conditional backdrops...but I can't do that either unless something's changed. :/
03:33:05	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: another thing I can't understand is why http://pastebin.com/CLeuLciP results in the image being drawn overtop of the progressbar.
03:33:06	JdGordon\|	you should be able to add the backdrop image option to the bars tag
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03:33:31	JdGordon\|	because your idea of the draw order is wrong :)
03:33:35	S_a_i_n_t	clarify?
03:33:58	S_a_i_n_t	the prior, not the latter post.
03:34:12	S_a_i_n_t	"you should be able to add the backdrop image option to the bars tag" <−− clarify please
03:34:28	JdGordon\|	add an option to the bars tag which will draw the specified image before drawing the bar
03:34:52	JdGordon\|	the transparent magic might still cause problems but it will be clsoe enough
03:35:03	JdGordon\|	and then s/transparent/forground/ magic and you are all set
03:35:03	S_a_i_n_t	by "you" you mean, "people in general"...right? ;)
03:35:09	JdGordon\|	no, i mean you
03:35:12	JdGordon\|	the code is simple :)
03:35:34	*	JdGordon\| goes to get a code and his netbook while his pc compiles
03:35:40	S_a_i_n_t	you and I have varying definitions of simple apparently.
03:40:25	JdGordon\|	hehe rpbably
03:40:53	JdGordon\|	ok, well %x really should draw in the corect order, but that broke themes which is why it was backed out
03:43:52	JdGordon\|	mind you, you would still need to use %xd for this because it would need to be drawn every refresh, not just on first load
03:45:51	S_a_i_n_t	I even toyed with the idea of using a backward filling progressbar (we can do that, right?) as the "background".
03:46:16	S_a_i_n_t	so, when one filled, the other unfilled...but I think it'd only work nicely in my head.
03:46:24	JdGordon\|	it wont work
03:46:30	JdGordon\|	the bars clear unused area
03:46:44	S_a_i_n_t	dammit! why is this one silly thing such a bastard? ;)
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03:54:01	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: try http://pastebin.com/g0s6z5p8
03:54:23	JdGordon1	use "backdrop, <backdrop image label>" in the params list
03:55:45	S_a_i_n_t	can you give me an example of syntax please?
03:55:58	S_a_i_n_t	I can't test it right now, but I can when I get homw tonight.
03:56:12	S_a_i_n_t	*home too
03:56:18	JdGordon\|	do you know how to use the "image" option on the bar?
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03:58:34	S_a_i_n_t	like, for progressbar, and volumebars? "%<tag>(X,X,X,X,<filename>.ext)" ?
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03:59:04	enthdegree	how good is rockbox on the sansa clip?
03:59:20	enthdegree	Strife89: Do you have a brighthand account?
03:59:39	Strife89	enthdegree: I do, actually ...
03:59:44	Strife89	enthdegree: Strife89 there. :)
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04:00:12	enthdegree	what! I knew I had seen the nick from somewhere.
04:02:15	krazykit	enthdegree, depending on your metric, "acceptable" to "excellent"
04:02:44	S_a_i_n_t	if you like the OF, you'll probably think Rockbox is crap ;)
04:03:01	S_a_i_n_t	but if you like the OF, we can't help you :P
04:03:50	enthdegree	Well, my c250 finally bricked. I was in the middle of making a scientific graphing calculator for it and now I need another rockbox device to do it on
04:04:11	Strife89	enthdegree: Which Clip are you asking about, exactly?
04:04:15	enthdegree	Clip Plus
04:04:41	krazykit	enthdegree, well, for graphing, you'd probably want something with a larger screen
04:04:43	*	Strife89 likes using Rockbox on the Clip+ - but USB isn't working yet, so one has to deal with the OF for now. =/
04:05:08	Strife89	At least for putting music on it, I mean.
04:05:55	enthdegree	Well, I am only getting it for developing so it should be fine. (c:
04:06:20	S_a_i_n_t	still...you may as well get a target with a larger/nicer screen.
04:06:26	krazykit	you can develop on the sim too ;)
04:06:29	S_a_i_n_t	Fuze for instance
04:06:55	enthdegree	ofc. The clip seems to be the most screen-constrainted device though and I want it to be compatible
04:07:31	S_a_i_n_t	there's are more screen constrained devices.
04:07:44	S_a_i_n_t	charcell, for instance.
04:08:18	enthdegree	well I cant imagine a graphing calculator would work well on a charcell
04:10:39	S_a_i_n_t	but, yes. krazykit it quite right...you can develop inthe simulator too.
04:11:01	enthdegree	well a ti-89 has only a few pixels more
04:14:59	JdGordon\|	S_a_i_n_t: yes, so just add the two params "backdrop" and "<backdrop image label>" (no quotes of course)
04:15:36	S_a_i_n_t	I really haven't followed the additiona params shananigans
04:15:43	S_a_i_n_t	*additional
04:16:06	S_a_i_n_t	an example string would be really nice, sorry, but I'd never figure it out otherwise.
04:16:14	*	Strife89 has been interested in seeing a TI-83/84 emulator.
04:17:05	enthdegree	yeah I just checked, TI-84 has 96x62px + a big gui vs the clip's 128x66
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04:26:45	enthdegree	Hey, for the record is the clip's 'grayscale' really as slow as it looks in this video: or does it actually flicker fast enough to look grey? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVV_0xKmhw
04:31:21	S_a_i_n_t	if you're wondering about Doom/etc. then it probably looks only slightly less crap in the video as it does in real life.
04:32:38	enthdegree	lol. Ok, no grayscale to work with then.
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04:39:27	enthdegree	goodnight, all.
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08:07:37	webby	Hello
08:07:47	webby	Hello
08:07:58	S_a_i_n_t	if you have a question, just ask it.
08:08:12	S_a_i_n_t	*a question about ROckbox
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08:09:13	Buschel	S_a_i_n_t: is FS #11821 still happening? or was it fixed with r29081?
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08:10:23	S_a_i_n_t	Buschel: it does happen occasionally still, yes.
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08:16:08	Buschel	S_a_i_n_t: ok, so I'll better keep it open
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08:30:35	bluebrother	preglow: I've made a fix for that to configure after I discovered the issue. If you svn up'ed afterwards you don't need to path anything :)
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08:52:41	JdGordon\|	S_a_i_n_t: you get a chance to try that patch?
08:52:43	sideral	Saint: Re FS #11821: Have you tried the patch I've attached to this tracker item?
08:53:18	sideral	JdGordon: must be telepathy
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08:54:30	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: not yet, no.
08:54:51	S_a_i_n_t	I'm still quite lost on the syntax also.
08:55:28	JdGordon\|	have you got a background bmp to go with a bar you want to use?
08:55:39	JdGordon\|	I'd like to test, clean up and commit it i tinhk
08:56:12	S_a_i_n_t	I do indeed.
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09:14:56	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-a4a83ac4.html <−−- snapshot of current theme code
09:15:07	S_a_i_n_t	errr..and images
09:18:01	S_a_i_n_t	I've commented out the lines that try to load an image in the progressbar viewports, my themes are always pretty well commented so you should have no trouble finding the code.
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09:39:51	JdGordon\|	got it :)
09:43:17	JdGordon\|	I'm not so fond of the added option though
09:43:21	JdGordon\|	but meh
09:43:28	JdGordon\|	%x isnt working so this will have to do
09:43:34	JdGordon\|	as i tihnk it is more flexible also
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10:11:24	JdGordon\|	^ build server errors
10:11:32	wodz	JdGordon\|, S_a_i_n_t : what is the difference between setting option in theme cfg to '-' and not specifying the option at all?
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10:14:41	JdGordon\|	no difference
10:15:03	JdGordon\|	except if you dont set it the setting will stay with whatevver was the previous value when you load a .cfg
10:15:37	wodz	?
10:16:30	pixelma	I don't understand the syntax explanation in the commit message - what should <label> contain? And I seem to remember that there are also some parts in the CustomWPS wiki that use this and it (a) causes problems with the wiki software as it "thinks" those are html tags it doesn't know about probably and (b) I was unable to fix them as I didn't understand what they stood for and IIRC there were used inconsistently. It's been a while that I found them
10:16:30	pixelma	and asked here, got no answer and I admit I forgot since
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10:18:55	S_a_i_n_t	wodz: it is used to default a value.
10:18:56	S_a_i_n_t	in case other themes set more then your theme did.
10:19:07	S_a_i_n_t	*than
10:19:16	pixelma	wodz: without a "option: - " in your cfg, the option will not be touched when you load the cfg, so stays as was before even when you set it to something else. If you have this line in you cfg, the option will be set to the default value on cfg load
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10:19:41	pixelma	-typos
10:19:50	JdGordon\|	pixelma: <label> is the image label you want to use
10:20:17	pixelma	well, what is the image label . the "ID"?
10:20:43	wodz	this a major difference betwenn option: - and lack of option in .cfg :-)
10:20:45	pixelma	does that mean you need to preload the image before or what?
10:21:24	JdGordon\|	yes
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10:22:06	S_a_i_n_t	ah...so, you gonna pastbin my theme back to me all fixed and magicy? ;)
10:22:31	S_a_i_n_t	I don't understand the syntax either...I think I need to see it.
10:22:38	JdGordon\|	see the commit message
10:22:45	S_a_i_n_t	and brush up on the trillion other bar params
10:23:02	S_a_i_n_t	I did see the commit message ;)
10:23:24	pixelma	S_a_i_n_t: completely?
10:23:43	S_a_i_n_t	aha...I forget it gets truncated in this client.
10:24:33	pixelma	it's not the client (assuming you mean IRC client), it was limited in our CIA bot settings
10:28:04	S_a_i_n_t	thanks, btw JdGordon\|... not throwing that theme in the crapper is a huge bonus. being able to display the progressbar conditionally is what the entire .sbs pivots around.
10:28:24	S_a_i_n_t	I wasn't looking forward to trying to come up with a "better" alignment.
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10:34:47	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon\|: are the spaces in "<blah>.bmp, backdrop, a) " deliberate/necessary?
10:35:10	S_a_i_n_t	it just seems weird. surprised me a little.
10:35:20	JdGordon\|	its called readability!
10:35:40	JdGordon\|	so yes/no (unless you ask me to debug)
10:36:03	S_a_i_n_t	right, yes...ok. but, are they added to read the code, or are they actual code?
10:36:42	JdGordon\|	the parser strips the whitespace
10:36:53	JdGordon\|	you really should add it, but the parser doesnt care
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10:42:57	pixelma	I think I know why "<label>" confuses me. It's because the other parameters are not in <> and are optional and not to be taken literally all the same
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10:44:05	S_a_i_n_t	<blah> is a way of typing "variable" in some cases.
10:44:19	S_a_i_n_t	the identifier doesn't actually need to be encased in <>
10:44:48	pixelma	yes, but if you don't use it consistently for all the other parameters that are "variable" too, you could leave it
10:45:31	JdGordon\|	[] means optional
10:45:39	JdGordon\|	<> means a placeholder for something else
10:45:44	JdGordon\|	in this case required
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14:31:13	sideral	pamaury: Do you have a test case for the bug for which you introduced the patch in FS #11664?
14:31:53	pamaury	take the clip+, plug it, retry
14:32:23	pamaury	without the patch, most of the time it doesn't work
14:32:52	sideral	I suspect that patch is the root of my ClipV2 corruption problems. I possibly introduces an IRQ race
14:33:40	pamaury	possible, since it does everything from the irq handler, perhaps it should defer the job to a thread or a timer
14:33:48	sideral	exactly
14:34:31	sideral	I also haven't seen the problem this patch is intended to fix yet. Perhaps because I've thrown in a cancel_all_transfers(true) for good measure?
14:35:18	pamaury	some people of a problem, some not, I think it's hardware related, without it, the usb controller goes mad
14:35:26	pamaury	s/of/have
14:35:54	pamaury	perhaps the clip+ is more likely to have this problem, I don't know
14:36:16	sideral	I'll try removing my cancel_all_transfers(true) and see whether I can reproduce the problem
14:36:50	sideral	I'll run without the hard reset workaround for a few days and see whether my corruption problems go away
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14:52:00	mudd1	What happens if I do rockbox_browse() menu stuff in a separate thread?
14:52:40	mudd1	apparently some things do happen simultaneously then
14:52:55	mudd1	so is there a way to tell the main thread to display a menu?
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14:55:36	sideral	pamaury: Hmm, I can't seem to reproduce the random USB failure w/o your hard-reset patch. So I have no way of telling whether my cancel_all_transfers(true) idea would be of help for anyone having this problem.
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14:58:08	pamaury	Can you post a patch with this change ? I'll test although I'm pretty sure it won't fix it since my problem is not related to bus resets
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15:01:20	sideral	pamaury: http://pastebin.com/jY915bvi
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15:02:51	pamaury	note that my change doesn't do a controller reset on each bus reset, only if there are many of them (3 at least)
15:03:18	pamaury	I'll test it later on
15:04:01	sideral	yes, I noticed. I noticed some correlation of the pattern of controller resets and my corruption issue, which is why I'm experimenting with the bus-reset path
15:04:17	sideral	thanks pamaury
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15:14:43	jhMikeS	why does it call wakeup_signal in some places without checking endpoint[].wait first?
15:15:48	pamaury	perhaps because it knows someone is waiting, or because the codes wakeup_signal is a stub if noone is waiting
15:16:16	jhMikeS	?
15:16:26	jhMikeS	it's a sticky bit
15:18:05	jhMikeS	bit/flag. anyway if it's posted to before the thread arrives, the signal is there for the thread when it waits
15:18:33	pamaury	then it's doing a bad thing
15:18:38	pamaury	:)
15:19:10	jhMikeS	what is?
15:19:11	sideral	it does this atomically under IRQ protection; should be safe on single core
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15:20:26	pamaury	I mean, if wakeup_signal doesn't do anything when there is no waiting thread, then the code should be safe
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15:20:40	sideral	which it doesn't (just checked)
15:22:32	sideral	still, the reset_endpoints function above does the same thing more conservatively (checks .wait before wakeup_signal)
15:22:49	jhMikeS	what about usb_drv_send_nonblocking?
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15:24:13	sideral	??? this one never enqueues a thread for waiting
15:24:37	jhMikeS	exactly
15:25:17	sideral	so there can be no race
15:25:30	jhMikeS	wrong
15:26:04	sideral	how so?
15:26:19	jhMikeS	if no thread is enqued for waiting and you call wakeup_signal, there will be a spurious signal and the next wait will happen without blocking
15:29:31	sideral	I see what you mean
15:29:47	sideral	here's another question: why doesn't usb_drv_recv set blocking=true?
15:31:56	jhMikeS	don't know exactly on that one...it doesn't on the arc driver either
15:33:25	jhMikeS	It looks like it must already have what it needs at the time
15:34:03	pamaury	recv is not blocking
15:37:13	sideral	is it not? how do clients know that something was received?
15:37:14	jhMikeS	the usb thread gets the signal on that via its queue, recv just sets up the transfer
15:37:31	sideral	I see
15:39:09	sideral	yep
15:39:22	jhMikeS	ep_in_int is for recv?
15:39:32	sideral	yes, it seems so
15:39:55	jhMikeS	yeah, then wakeup_signal is called without a thread present
15:40:07	pamaury	no, ep_in_int is for send
15:40:16	jhMikeS	ok
15:40:31	gevaerts	USB directions are usually expressed from the host pov
15:40:33	pamaury	IN=dev->host,OUT=host->dev
15:40:37	jhMikeS	so_ep_out_int
15:40:55	jhMikeS	there's still one there fwiw
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15:42:26	sideral	agree. all the code paths seem to assume that posting a signal on an empty queue is a no-op
15:42:41	pamaury	the code is a little bit more general than needed: it handles blocking recv even though the api doesn't
15:42:57	jhMikeS	it's a semaphore in effect and needs a sticky bit or it would be a race for the thread to arrive
15:43:01	pamaury	yes I think I made this assumption
15:43:51	pamaury	it shouldn't be too hard to fix it, I'll commit something so that we are sure it's safe
15:44:18	sideral	great find, jhMikeS!
15:45:16	pamaury	I was pretty stupid to assume that :-/
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15:49:19	jhMikeS	the arc driver had an issue where if an error occurred, the thread wouldn't wait, even if there was a post, then fail later
15:50:33	jhMikeS	just waiting it with TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK is enough to reset it
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16:01:24	pamaury	or, I just added some checks around wakeup_signal, it should be safe, any other thing ?
16:01:31	pamaury	s/or/ok
16:02:12	jhMikeS	I think so
16:04:00	CIA-10	New commit by pamaury (r29129): as3525v2-usb: only call wakeup_signal when a thread is actually waiting
16:04:01	jhMikeS	is the driver capable of an int at any time before checking "blocking" ??
16:04:23	pamaury	I don't understand your question
16:04:57	jhMikeS	could an interrupt happen during the setup for any reason?
16:05:14	pamaury	no, usb interrupts are disable
16:05:32	sideral	well, the setup enables them eventually
16:06:50	sideral	see end of usb_drv_init
16:07:03	pamaury	interrupts are enable at the end of usb_drv_init
16:07:21	pamaury	enable_global_interrupts
16:07:50	sideral	which is why I thought doing this in the irq handler could create a race
16:07:55	CIA-10	r29129 build result: All green
16:08:52	jhMikeS	sideral: it's not hard to deal with, but isn't the usb_drv_init call long over with by the time usb drv transfer is used?
16:10:39	jhMikeS	I'm not sure but I think I see a race if IRQ isn't masked until after DEPCTL is written
16:10:46	pamaury	my patch calles usb_drv_exit which disable interrupts
16:10:49	pamaury	*calls
16:11:38	sideral	yeah. I was concerned with the pamaury's patch in FS #11664, which does this from the IRQ handler. reenabling interrupts there could lead to a nested IRQ
16:12:14	sideral	but I'm not sure −− I have no evidence, I'm just guessing
16:12:21	pamaury	given that the controller is given a few ms by the host, this it unlikely
16:12:54	pamaury	jhMikeS: which place are you referring to ?
16:13:11	jhMikeS	usb_drv_transfer
16:13:40	pamaury	how could a race happen ?
16:13:43	jhMikeS	sideral: the vic automatically allows stack interrupt?
16:13:47	jhMikeS	*stacked
16:14:11	jhMikeS	pamaury: a bus reset or some other controller event perhaps
16:15:48	pamaury	hum, indeed, if a bus reset occurs, it could be a mess
16:16:43	jhMikeS	yeah, simple, cheap assurance just to mask it
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16:28:40	pamaury	should I just mask the VIC interrupt ?
16:29:18	jhMikeS	if that works, that's better that all of them imho
16:30:13	pamaury	I don't see a reason to mask them all so let's go with just the usb one
16:31:41	jhMikeS	VIC_INT_ENABLE/CLEAR looks like it's meant for that since it's atomic
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16:45:25	sideral	thanks guys! I'll test this (w/o the hard reset patch) for some time and let you know whether I still see corruption.
16:46:01	jhMikeS	I had some wondering about the fact that DMA isn't doing locked transfers
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16:47:38	pamaury	what is a locked transfer ?
16:48:40	jhMikeS	DMA holds the bus for the entire transfer (8 * 32 for SD), otherwise it might get the bus takes away by something else
16:49:23	pamaury	and how to you tell the dma to do so ?
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16:50:38	jhMikeS	DMAC_CH_CONFIGURATE bit 16
16:50:55	jhMikeS	s/E/ION
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16:54:11	jhMikeS	no, just the SD and IIS
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16:55:30	pamaury	ok, it makes sense since the usb controller reports internal dma
16:55:52	pamaury	but there isn't much control over it
16:55:54	jhMikeS	afaict is makes the PL081 do that size in a single burst without releasing the bus
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16:58:03	jhMikeS	but the docs also seem to indicate it'll do it automatically the way it's setup already (src_width=dst_width and size >= 4)
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17:01:32	pamaury	ok, let's be brave and try to understand the usb of code...
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17:03:06	jhMikeS	the OF is not good, or at least my device's USB is slow
17:03:28	pamaury	but it works :)
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17:03:39	jhMikeS	true enough :)
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17:05:20	jhMikeS	what defines do I need to actually use it there? the usual or more?
17:06:44	pamaury	which defines ?
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17:07:11	jhMikeS	just uncomment USE_ROCKBOX_USB and that's enough?
17:07:29	pamaury	have a look at FS #11664
17:08:05	pamaury	yeah basically uncomment USE_ROCKBOX_USB,
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17:09:51	jhMikeS	I haven't got much on there so if it's gets trashed then no big deal
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17:16:02	jhMikeS	so far so good, got two disk drives :)
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17:21:42	jhMikeS	after a few plugs, it seemed to be not connecting as high speed
17:22:15	jhMikeS	not seemed though
17:26:22	jhMikeS	dumping 63MB video was much faster than OF though :)
17:27:09	dfkt	jhMikeS, i found it helps to use the correct cluster size with sansa players, i.e. formatting them with the official sdcard.org tool - just an additional hint :)
17:27:52	jhMikeS	Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I haven't ever formatted this one.
17:28:53	dfkt	windows-only software, unfortunately - http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter_3/
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17:32:57	jhMikeS	Article 8 seems to indication I have to destroy their website if my license is terminated
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17:34:37	jhMikeS	Forget that, the entire SD association must be destroyed (in accordance with their terms)
17:35:36	*	jhMikeS finds that acceptable
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17:54:48	sideral	gevaerts: Have you had a chance to look over the autoresume discussion summary in FS #11748?
17:54:57	gevaerts	not yet
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18:11:00	CIA-10	New commit by dionoea (r29132): Move android notification display format logic to java code (no functional change, this is used by FS #11902).
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18:15:18	jhMikeS	after a few plugs "this device can perform faster" again
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18:18:15	jhMikeS	I've seen it on PP and i.MX31 too though ever since it became composite
18:18:22	jhMikeS	not as readily though
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18:26:26	mudd1	just in case someone knows but didn't get these messages:
18:26:28	mudd1	<mudd1> What happens if I do rockbox_browse() menu stuff in a separate thread?
18:26:28	mudd1	<mudd1> apparently some things do happen simultaneously then
18:26:28	mudd1	<mudd1> so is there a way to tell the main thread to display a menu?
18:27:23	jhMikeS	through a queue
18:27:56	CIA-10	New commit by dionoea (r29133): Oops, this line wasn't supposed to make it into svn.
18:28:27	*	dionoea should try using rockbox' git repo. it would prevent such mistakes from happening
18:29:01	mudd1	jhMikeS, could you give me enough words to at least google it? I don't think "queue" will do ;)
18:29:56	jhMikeS	I'm not sure what you're up to exactly
18:30:19	Torne	you probably should be looking in our source, not on google, to know what that means :)
18:30:48	jhMikeS	he could google "queue"
18:31:04	mudd1	well, I wrote a plugin that listens to events and then wants to display a menu
18:31:13	mudd1	unfortunately it's running in its own thread
18:31:26	mudd1	so calling rockbox_browse will do weird things
18:31:29	jhMikeS	some tsr thing?
18:31:34	mudd1	yep
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18:31:55	jhMikeS	define a new system message and have the default event handler display what you want
18:32:45	jhMikeS	better you, you could install an event callback in your plugin, along with a private plugin system message
18:32:53	jhMikeS	*better yet
18:34:56	jhMikeS	just define a general system message if the core is expected to process it, plugin message class is for private use
18:35:15	mudd1	ah so I use the global event queue to call a callback in my code?
18:35:33	jhMikeS	sure
18:36:34	jhMikeS	the default event handler function in misc.c would have to intercept and use the event api to call it
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18:37:09	jhMikeS	the main thread isn't executing in your own code so I'm not sure else how to get it there
18:37:41	mudd1	Is there a standard way for plugins to invent new messages so that there won't be any conflicts?
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18:39:09	jhMikeS	yes, but those should alwasy be ignore by the core
18:39:29	jhMikeS	look in kernel.h
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18:43:07	mudd1	Ok, so I just use something of class SYS_EVENT_CLS_PRIVATE and hope that I don't collide with other plugins, right?
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18:43:46	jhMikeS	I'm not sure I'd use that in this case
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18:44:31	mudd1	ok ... may I know why? It says /* For use inside plugins */
18:44:35	jhMikeS	default_event_handler has to see it then call your code
18:45:24	jhMikeS	but not if the plugins require the core to do something. mpegplayer uses it to post to the button queue when the LCD is activated, but it only handles it within the plugin.
18:46:41	jhMikeS	some misc. event would be better that can be called from default_event_handler
18:47:00	jhMikeS	s/call from/processed in
18:47:28	mudd1	ok
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18:52:13	mudd1	sorry if I seem a bit slow but I'm having trouble to understand the plugin API here ... I'm guessing that I need default_event_handler_ex() to register my callback but it doesn't seem to be used that way in existing code
18:52:34	mudd1	it's checked for its return value instead
18:53:31	jhMikeS	have the plugin register the event
18:54:20	mudd1	add_event()?
18:54:39	jhMikeS	yeah
18:56:07	jhMikeS	needs to be unique among event ids
18:56:09	mudd1	and that's all I need because it has a handler parameter that probably is my callback and I'm done?
18:56:44	mudd1	if it's just that then it sounds easy enough, thank you :)
18:57:48	jhMikeS	it should be defined in apps/appevents.h it looks like
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18:59:32	jhMikeS	one sys message, one event
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20:13:06	UnconventionalT	How is one supposed to tell if one's database is finished? Cause honestly, I'd rather have the display lock up, and release when it's done.
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20:14:30	pixelma	watche the disk activity on the right side of the statusbar
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20:15:39	pixelma	it should vanish once the database initialisation (or update) in the background is finished
20:16:42	UnconventionalT	Disk activity? Next to the volume and battery symbols?
20:18:23	pixelma	no, the rightmost I think, even to the right of the clock
20:19:08	pixelma	if you use the default statusbar
20:19:12	amiconn	If you want a blocking view, just enter the database from the main menu while it's scanning. It will show scanning progress; what happens when it's finished depends on whether you have dircache enabled or not
20:19:39	UnconventionalT	amiconn, Ah, thanks.
20:19:51	UnconventionalT	pixelma, Also, just found what you were talking about.
20:20:01	amiconn	If you do, it will show commit progress, and after that it lets you use it directly. If you don't, it will show a splash that you need to reboot, and exit
20:21:58	UnconventionalT	amiconn, Alright. I'm still trying to get used to Rockbox, on a glitchy platfrom no less (iPod Classic). I have to say, I'm loving the ability to play flacs so far. :D
20:29:51	jhMikeS	lol, I keep trying to directory skip and it keeps rewinding the current song
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20:32:26	UnconventionalT	One more question, on the iPod, the only way to go back in directory is by pressing the previous button, pressing the menu button takes me to the menu. How can I change this behaviour?
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20:34:32	jhMikeS	oh crap, it's picturflow striking again...with secret playlist creation
20:34:33	Torne	button mapping is not configurable
20:34:46	Torne	you would have to change the keymap and recompile to change how it works
20:35:19	Torne	we don't copy the original firmware's behaviour.
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20:37:09	UnconventionalT	Torne, it's not so much the behaviour, it's ease-of-use... Ah well, I can get used to it. It's not that big of a deal.
20:40:51	*	bluebroth3r always is confused by Apple products going back a level with a button labelled "menu"
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20:43:15	jhMikeS	you mean it doesn't show the wine list?
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20:44:35	UnconventionalT	bluebroth3r, Well... it worked pretty well, either that or I got used to it pretty quickly. :/
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20:58:31	Elfish	whats the battery duration like with rockbox?
20:58:42	Elfish	better or worse then running the native apple firmware? :o
20:58:57	Elfish	oh and hi everyone btw :P
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21:00:50	Elfish	*ipod classic
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21:02:18	UnconventionalT	Elfish, you're in the same spot as I'm in. :D
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21:03:33	fml	JdGordon\|: hello. Why do some options in the bar wps tags accept both file name and a label and others only accept image labels?
21:04:02	Elfish	UnconventionalT hehe i'm happy that rockbox runs on ipod classic :>
21:04:13	Elfish	i dont dare to install it yet tho
21:04:15	Elfish	:x
21:04:31	pixelma	Elfish: on the Ipod Classic, battery is probably less currently. We try to be better than the official firmware but optimising takes a while because it needs to be figured out how to disable/enable things as needed
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21:04:49	pixelma	I don't have such a device so can't give you numbers
21:05:08	UnconventionalT	pixelma, I was thinking about doing a battery benchmark tonight.
21:05:09	Elfish	how to test? there'S a plugin for battery tests i've seen
21:05:29	fml	pixelma: same question to you (ba wps tags, see above) since you seem to do theme development
21:05:36	UnconventionalT	Elfish, have you been keepin up here? http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Talk:IPod_Classic_iLoader_Installation
21:05:53	Elfish	oh i didnt read that yet
21:06:23	pixelma	fml: no idea, I didn't follow the label stuff nor this load of bar tag options
21:08:21	pixelma	I would think you only need one filename parameter inside all of those, more and it gets confusing (which it already is)
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21:09:34	Buschel	UnconventionalT, Elfish: regarding battery life on iPod classic -> http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110117#09:11:13
21:11:29	fml	pixelma: the fact that a file name can be used directly is a good thing IMO, but the form "option=value" would be more readable. And, either all options should accept a file name or none. Now it's confusing. But I'm just an observer since I don't use them at all.
21:11:34	Elfish	8:20 isnt that good
21:11:34	Elfish	:x
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21:12:05	Buschel	as pixelma stated the port is still in an early state.
21:14:06	pixelma	fml: to me it's a bar tag and I'd only expect one filename in there and that's the one used for the bar itself. Putting the slider, background or whatever things there can be in there too would be way too crowded in my imagination. It already is crowded...
21:14:12	Elfish	buschl i saw that.
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21:15:08	UnconventionalT	Can anybody tell me what the application icon below the generic text file is in tango_small_viewers?
21:15:20	pixelma	fml: but I don't use it either and don't plan to. In fact, the theme I made for myself doesn't even use one external bitmap bar
21:17:52	UnconventionalT	Or can anybody give me a legend to the icons?
21:18:26	Elfish	UnconventionalT does the fm radio stuff work on ipod classic?
21:18:49	UnconventionalT	Elfish, Nay, the iPod Classic has no radio tuner.
21:19:53	fml	pixelma: I understand the wish to put it all into one tag, I would do it the same way. But I'd do it consistently. But my theme is text only and doesn't use any graphics at all (only the built in progress bar without any options, just %pb).
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21:50:04	PeterNL	I have an ProLine MP557, which is based on a Rockchip chip. USB id is 071b:3203
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21:50:49	PeterNL	The original firmware is somewhat broken, I cannot copy files to the built-in memory.
21:51:08	PeterNL	Should I try rockbox on that player?
21:51:13	wodz	PeterNL: despite rockchip produces several lines of SoCs rockbox doesn't run on any
21:51:54	PeterNL	Is there any other thing I can try? I cannot seem to find anything about the official formware for this player.
21:52:04	Bushmills	PeterNL: did you try recreating the FAT file system on player storage?
21:52:05	PeterNL	Not even a web site address in the manual
21:52:18	PeterNL	Bushmills: that's a good one. Will try that right away :)
21:52:54	Bushmills	maybe even a fsck will help
21:53:15	wodz	PeterNL: out of curiosity what does system info (or something similar) states about SoC used in this player?
21:53:33	PeterNL	this is the manual: http://peter-server.homelinux.net/proline%20mp557/
21:54:12	PeterNL	dmesg: http://pastebin.com/RhurXbQA
21:54:40	PeterNL	(on debian testing, but That Other OS has the same problem.)
21:57:40	PeterNL	should I try fat16 or fat32?
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22:00:11	wodz	fat32 I suppose
22:00:11	PeterNL	ok
22:00:11	PeterNL	hmmm, it failed
22:00:11	PeterNL	failed again...
22:01:22	PeterNL	http://peter-server.homelinux.net/tmp/gparted_details.htm
22:01:26	wodz	heh I should find some motivation and port rb to rk270x
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22:01:41	wodz	PeterNL: sorry but your problem is not related to rockbox in any way
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22:01:59	PeterNL	is that what I have? I might be able to test things
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22:04:12	wodz	PeterNL: I don't know, I asked you a question about this
22:04:39	PeterNL	I posted dmesg output, is that of any help?
22:04:46	PeterNL	dmesg: http://pastebin.com/RhurXbQA
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22:05:11	wodz	no
22:05:27	PeterNL	oh. Where would I find more info?
22:06:07	wodz	on the player ui there is system info or something like this
22:06:28	wodz	with little luck it will state what SoC it is based on
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22:07:21	PeterNL	Yep. It says "major version ID: 1.3.0201; Hardware ID: V0.1 B; (memory stats)
22:07:35	PeterNL	Nothing more
22:07:50	PeterNL	it is a very basic (and cheap) device
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22:09:12	wodz	my cheap rk based DAP states SDK they used to compile at least
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22:10:26	PeterNL	Well, I already broke it lol. It claims the intrnal memory si 0,000GB total, 0,000GB used since I tried (and failed) to recreate the fat32 partition...
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22:13:20	PeterNL	hey, there is a reset button. Let's try that :)
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22:16:26	PeterNL	ah, looks fixed from the system info. Now lets try to copy videos to it
22:20:18	wodz	PeterNL: this channel is 1) logged 2) rockbox specific. So please stay on topic.
22:20:29	PeterNL	Oh. Sorry :)
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22:24:25	UnconventionalT	Is it possible to change the RockBox loading screen? Not cause I don't like displaying the fact that I run RockBox, just to change it to an image that... better fits my style.
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22:25:14	thomasjfox	gevaerts: Please remind me if I forgot something important: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rockbox
22:26:18	wodz	UnconventionalT: It's opensource so tweak to fit your needs. The startup image is compiled into binary.
22:27:00	[Saint]	UnconventionalT: If your question was really "can I simply cut an paste an image onto my player?" then...no.
22:27:37	[Saint]	you'll need to change the image in the source, or the SOURCES file that points to said image, and recompile.
22:29:06	gevaerts	thomasjfox: there's a typo at [themes
22:29:35	gevaerts	thomasjfox: also, maybe clarify that that manual link isn't actually to a manual that's entirely correct for the app port
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22:30:44	Bagder	is there any screen dumps from the maemo port anywhere?
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22:32:12	thomasjfox	gevaerts: Fixed both, thanks
22:32:44	[Saint]	UnconventionalT: the SOURCES file (<root_to_source>/rockbox/apps/bitmaps/native/SOURCES) will tell you which bootsplash your player is using. Then you can either edit that image, or change the SOURCES file to point to your own image.
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22:42:34	guest2222	Hi, i have my Sansa Clip+ in manufacture (preboot) mode I want to know if there might be some solution in future
22:43:07	[Saint]	a solution for....?
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22:46:33	guest2222	Like have something similar like e200tool that allow me to restore the i2c rom boot of the clip+
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22:48:17	bertrik	I think there is no such thing as an i2c rom boot on the clip+
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22:49:39	TheLemonMan	I.MX23 recovery mode is HID based
22:49:57	TheLemonMan	freescale doesnt release any documentation for this mode
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22:56:29	bertrik	guest2222, how did you get into this mode?
22:56:49	*	[Saint] wonders what's wrong with the wiki re: Seacrh −−-> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch?tab=search&search=&scope=all
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22:57:27	[Saint]	(there's a good full page at least of garbage on this page.
22:57:30	[Saint]	)
22:58:08	guest2222	I receive the player from a friend
22:58:38	guest2222	i think he was playing with rockbox
22:59:04	JdGordon\|	fml: only the "image" option accepts both, thats to make it easier to update themes
22:59:18	[Saint]	"playing with rockbox" won't put the player into manufacturer mode guest2222
22:59:36	guest2222	i trytry to enter recovery mode following these instructions. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
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23:00:13	wodz	JdGordon\|: what should be done to switch recscreen to themed one?
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23:01:17	guest2222	but seems like a can't enter into the flash drive, and i enter in a disk of /dev/sdb: 4 MB, 4231680 bytes
23:01:37	JdGordon\|	wodz: remove all the screen drawing code and do something like the radio screen, its a bit trickier because of the list viewport which is needed but not impossible
23:02:18	gevaerts	guest2222: "enter into"?
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23:06:48	guest2222	i dont know, I try to enter the hidden part of the NAND flash to recover the firmware, but the computer only recognizes me 4mb in place of 979.75MB
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23:07:53	bertrik	guest2222, the recovery procedure is to dd the .bin file from the original firmware to the 4 MB drive
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23:09:16	bertrik	make very sure you know which /dev/sdX you dd to, or you might accidentally damage the contents of your hard disk
23:09:53	[Saint]	If someone makes it happen...I could do the rec screen themes for cabbieV2
23:10:09	[Saint]	wodz: JdGordon\|: ^^
23:10:38	wodz	[Saint]: to be honest apps/ part of rb is black magic to me
23:10:55	[Saint]	wodz: Oh....same here.
23:11:03	[Saint]	That's why I stick to themeing ;)
23:12:12	wodz	but another fact is that current rec screen is pissing my off
23:12:18	guest2222	yes but the .bin is of 18mb much bigger, i search a litte bit why 4231680 bytes, and its seems to be related with the preboot mode that is before the recovery mode
23:12:40	wodz	s/my/me/
23:13:15	JdGordon\|	I wanted to crack the bmp scrollbar, but rec skin should be pretty simple so maybe I'll do thatthis week
23:13:19	JdGordon\|	maybe
23:13:52	[Saint]	wodz: what about it is so...annoying?
23:15:12	wodz	[Saint]: it's ugly :-)
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23:16:09	[Saint]	it can use an .sbs I just use my .sbs to keep it looking similar to the other screens.
23:16:34	pixelma	it's functional which matters much more to me
23:16:35	guest2222	I'll try to investigate a little more and to formulate better questions
23:16:44	[Saint]	though, being able to theme the screen fully would be nice.
23:17:00	CIA-102	New commit by bluebrother (r29134): Backport r29081: Fix player becoming unresponsive on Stop / Pause in some cases. ...
23:17:05	[Saint]	themeing the USB screen is higher on my wishlist presently.
23:17:12	guest2222	thanks all
23:17:35	[Saint]	(also, adding the USB/charging screen to %cs)
23:18:18	JdGordon\|	the rec screen makes the sbs interesting because of the required list viewport
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23:19:24	[Saint]	I cut down the UI viewport for the rec-screen so it only displays the first few lines...my .sbs gives me the rest of the info I need (...ish)
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23:21:38	wodz	[Saint]: isn't it more 'prosthesis' approach?
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23:24:28	[Saint]	wodz: Oh, certainly....but I don't have the faintest idea what to do to enable skinng the rec screen "properly", so I do as much as I am able to do via the .sbs
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23:27:54	Charlie_Vegan	hello, anyone know if rockbox does it work with a generic MP3 player called titan? What if I install it and does not work so I can return to factory state? - IMAGE: http://ur1.ca/2pkjt
23:28:11	[Saint]	No, it does not.
23:28:22	[Saint]	it only works on the players listed on rockbox.org
23:29:25	Charlie_Vegan	<[Saint]> ha ok
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23:34:18	[Saint]	Charlie_Vegan: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort is probably worthwhile reading for you.
23:34:52	[Saint]	It explains what will need to happen if there ever was to be a port for your device.
23:39:18	Charlie_Vegan	<[Saint]> ok, I will try but is there much chance of damaging the player?
23:39:28	[Saint]	certainly.
23:40:18	[Saint]	Understanding your players recovery routine (if it has one) is rather critical.
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23:41:49	Charlie_Vegan	<[Saint]> thanks for your help, I will try
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23:52:41	*	jhMikeS notices the clip's codec thread priority is perpetually stuck at 13
23:55:24	jhMikeS	*if playing, 16 if stopped
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