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| 01:01:16 | S_a_i_n_t | kugel: (logs) The database works fine on Android now...but we need to "Start Database at <_dir_>" setting in the menu, similar to the File Browser's setting so that the database doesn't pick up ringtones etc. unwantedly from the rest of the phones filesystem. |
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| 01:10:46 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: would the phone mind a database.ignore? |
| 01:11:54 | pixelma | hmm, or just a database.ignore in the SD card root and an unignore in the music folder(s) |
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| 01:42:32 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: The probelm is not the files on the SD card. |
| 01:43:18 | S_a_i_n_t | it's files in the phones internal storage, I don't think we should expect users to have root access to place the relevant .ignore/.unignore files. |
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| 01:43:31 | Hilikus | hey guys |
| 01:43:44 | Hilikus | i found out by accident today that there's an android port in the works |
| 01:43:49 | Hilikus | awesome news |
| 01:44:09 | Hilikus | is there an estimated ETA for an official release? |
| 01:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t | No |
| 01:44:35 | S_a_i_n_t | There's nothing to stop you from checking out the source and compiling it yourself though. |
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| 01:44:57 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: I susp[ect it would be possible to do the same thing with the Database as was done with the File Browser with a "Start Database here" setting |
| 01:45:16 | S_a_i_n_t | *suspect too |
| 01:45:36 | Hilikus | i might try that, but i would prefer something stable. randomly checking out code usually doesn't work out very well |
| 01:45:57 | S_a_i_n_t | what makes you think it's random? |
| 01:46:22 | S_a_i_n_t | you *could* check out a revision at random...but I would suggest checking out the current source ;) |
| 01:46:33 | Hilikus | i mean random in time |
| 01:46:36 | Hilikus | like, today |
| 01:46:41 | Hilikus | what's special about today |
| 01:46:45 | Hilikus | nothing |
| 01:47:11 | Torne | indeed, nothing is special, so it should be fine |
| 01:47:21 | Torne | our tree works perfectly fine virtually all of the time :) |
| 01:47:28 | Hilikus | oh ok |
| 01:47:33 | Hilikus | great |
| 01:47:37 | Hilikus | i'll give it a try |
| 01:47:42 | Hilikus | how big is the android sdk? |
| 01:47:46 | Torne | the android port is not "done with" |
| 01:48:03 | S_a_i_n_t | it's plent usable though. |
| 01:48:05 | Torne | but no version of it is going to be any different |
| 01:48:07 | S_a_i_n_t | *plenty |
| 01:48:28 | Hilikus | but will there be an official release as some point, as in, to the android market? |
| 01:48:40 | S_a_i_n_t | that is the intention. |
| 01:49:00 | S_a_i_n_t | But there's no estimation as to when there will be a stable release. |
| 01:49:25 | Hilikus | and the poject is just making it work in android or its being rewritten? i mean, should i expect the same features as before? |
| 01:49:36 | Torne | it's not *unstable*, it's unfinished |
| 01:49:47 | Torne | the UI does not work particularly ideally for an android app |
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| 01:49:53 | Torne | some features are missing |
| 01:49:58 | Torne | etc. |
| 01:50:14 | S_a_i_n_t | In answer to your "How big is <blah>?" question, setting up the S/NDK and checking out the source will chalk up about ~450MB in traffic |
| 01:50:32 | Torne | what is implemented should be pretty stable. |
| 01:50:44 | Hilikus | awesome |
| 01:50:46 | Hilikus | thanks guys |
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| 02:13:22 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon1: If you get the time, and, if it's indeed possible....could you please have a look at adding "Quickscreen" to %?cs −−-> ("current screen is?") |
| 02:14:17 | JdGordon1 | eventually... |
| 02:14:29 | JdGordon1 | the whole current screen system needs doing properly |
| 02:14:36 | JdGordon1 | its simple to just add it |
| 02:16:47 | S_a_i_n_t | I admit that more flexability with %cs would be nice...but other than "USB Screen" (which I'm hoping the USB screen will be themeable anyway, making it irrelevant for this case) the only other screen I would like on %cs is "Quickscreen". |
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| 02:20:12 | kingtony911 | Hey got a random questions... and i was unable to find anywhere. Does rockbox support HD radio tagging on a 5G ipod? |
| 02:21:05 | JdGordon1 | if HD tagging is RDS, and your radio attachment works with rokbcox, then yes |
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| 02:22:04 | kingtony911 | ummm ok. I will have to give it a try! Thanks! |
| 02:27:46 | DrewVosburg | kingony911: you will also need to have an fms theme that has rds tag display enablement |
| 02:29:07 | DrewVosburg | so even if you do have it on your device, you gotta have a theme that shows it. |
| 02:29:37 | kingtony911 | Cool thanks!~ |
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| 02:39:15 | JdGordon1 | the default fms shows rds on avilable targets |
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| 03:30:05 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29149): AS3525v2 USB: Set disconnect before stopping module clock. Seems to cure reconnect weirdness for me and is probably the proper method anyway since ... |
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| 03:50:40 | BRi7X | does the audio chip inside the gigabeat S support input? i was reading the specification of the chip and it looks like it does, i'm not too sure though |
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| 03:51:18 | jhMikeS | it does of course |
| 03:52:37 | BRi7X | how possible would it be to input using the headphone jack? kind of like how if you plug in a pair of headphones to a microphone port, you can get a signal through them |
| 03:53:55 | jhMikeS | it's not wired for that at all, you'd need an external adc sending audio over i2s to the CPU |
| 03:54:33 | BRi7X | so then the hardware would have to be changed? |
| 03:55:17 | BRi7X | damn that'd be a pretty sweet feature if it was wired for it |
| 03:55:35 | jhMikeS | no, you just need to make a device that sends the digital audio into the bottom connector |
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| 03:56:24 | jhMikeS | iiow it needs more hardware |
| 03:56:47 | jhMikeS | there are block diagrams in the wiki |
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| 03:58:20 | BRi7X | there's one for the S60... same shit as the 30 or what? |
| 03:58:47 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 03:59:46 | BRi7X | i see Line-In 3.5mm jack with dotted lines going to Audio ADC with ??? under it |
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| 04:02:11 | jhMikeS | some of that's the cradle that never was |
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| 04:02:41 | BRi7X | so they put it onto the board, then changed their minds, then it was too late / too expensive to make a whole new set of boards or something like that? |
| 04:03:14 | BRi7X | i dunno what makes me angrier, the fact that they didn't include the feature, or the fact that some of the parts for it are there but don't work |
| 04:03:15 | jhMikeS | the stuff on the cradle side is not in the player |
| 04:03:19 | BRi7X | hrmm |
| 04:03:32 | BRi7X | so the cradle won't work if hooked up? |
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| 04:04:33 | jhMikeS | toffee82 said there was never one produced |
| 04:06:34 | * | jhMikeS needs to know how to fake that "boot switch" thing |
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| 04:13:26 | BRi7X | well hrmm, the Gigabeat S certainly fits into the Gigabeat F cradle |
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| 04:16:33 | jhMikeS | mine sure doesn't :) |
| 04:17:19 | BRi7X | the port's the same, i had to take the top casing off of the cradle for it to fit, but it does connect |
| 04:17:24 | BRi7X | and charges too |
| 04:18:14 | BRi7X | and the usb port on it charges my phone haha |
| 04:18:22 | BRi7X | but only when the gigabeat is connected |
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| 04:23:25 | jhMikeS | good thing you tested that :) I know it fits the connector but I don't think I'd have just jammed it on there. |
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| 04:27:16 | BRi7X | i guess my trait of technological dare is the reason i've broken so many gigabeats, but if it works, it works, i didn't really think i'd break it by connecting it to a port that fits though |
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| 04:30:01 | jhMikeS | depends on what's on each pin, but it sounds at least somewhat compatible |
| 04:30:17 | jhMikeS | I wonder about the line out then |
| 04:30:42 | BRi7X | i tested it and it didn't come through my headphones, but i thought that might be a software issue? |
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| 04:31:55 | jhMikeS | it's not dealt with at all atm, so yeah |
| 04:32:00 | jhMikeS | could be |
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| 05:03:15 | BRi7X | lol @ "big oops." |
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| 05:13:13 | jhMikeS | that's no exaggeration of how big an oops i made there :) |
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| 05:20:51 | BRi7X | hahaha, i'm not exactly sure what it means... but it sounds like an oops based on the underlining of after |
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| 05:39:51 | [Saint] | Hmmm...what happened there? |
| 05:40:06 | [Saint] | oops, wrong channel. sorry. |
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| 08:10:14 | [Saint] | kugel: Did you see my comments re: Database? |
| 08:10:48 | [Saint] | It works perfectly, but there is a definite need for a "Start Database Here" setting similar to that of the File Browser |
| 08:12:07 | [Saint] | errrrr....s/Database/RaaA Database/ |
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| 08:18:40 | kugel | yea I saw them |
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| 08:55:10 | [Saint] | kugel: So, is it possible to implement? My database is full of untagged "albums" that are really my ring/notification tonrd. |
| 08:55:34 | kugel | sure it's possible |
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| 09:05:07 | [Saint] | Ooops...I'm not quite sure what a "tonrd" is....*"sound", rather. |
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| 09:05:42 | [Saint] | And thanks for getting the database working/working again(?) kugel...I appreciate it. |
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| 09:12:33 | sideral | According to this page <http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AustriaMicrosystems>, "we" have the datasheet for AS3534. Can I have a look at it? I'd like to play with the audio settings a bit to find a cure for the ClipV2/Clip+ background noise problem |
| 09:14:11 | * | B4gder doesn't have that |
| 09:15:43 | sideral | RafaelCarre added that tidbit of info to this page |
| 09:15:51 | B4gder | that's funman |
| 09:16:00 | B4gder | who hasn't been around here for a while |
| 09:16:30 | sideral | too bad |
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| 09:16:51 | sideral | maybe I'll shoot him an email later |
| 09:17:44 | sideral | I've already played with the settings a bit, to no avail |
| 09:24:34 | [Saint] | Aha...! |
| 09:25:12 | * | [Saint] discovers that Teru has already written the patch that he was investigating attempting to write himself. |
| 09:25:45 | [Saint] | It's so nice when other people have already done what you wanted to do for you, and better! :) |
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| 12:26:52 | * | [Saint] just found that he can reliably crash RaaA by scrolling quickly with the scrollbar in a long -ish (~400 tracks) playlist. |
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| 12:39:21 | kugel | [Saint]: that's a playlist bug |
| 12:39:44 | kugel | there's some arbitary 200 track limit |
| 12:39:51 | [Saint] | kugel: It's interesting though that kinetic scrolling doesn't do it. |
| 12:39:55 | kugel | playlist viewer bug* |
| 12:40:43 | [Saint] | and it's not *just* a playlist, it's any really long list. |
| 12:41:09 | [Saint] | a playlist was just a reliable test case for a long list. |
| 12:41:53 | kugel | no, it's only the playlist viewer |
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| 12:43:29 | [Saint] | ....ok. |
| 12:44:15 | kugel | if you had crashes in other lists it was probably a different reason |
| 12:44:32 | kugel | I can't make it crash in other lists with 1000+ items |
| 12:45:10 | [Saint] | Well, I don't claim to know the reason...I just found it rather odd you seemed to be telling me what I'm experiencing ;) |
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| 12:45:52 | [Saint] | I can crash it in database/track |
| 12:46:33 | kugel | I can'T |
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| 12:48:04 | [Saint] | Hmmm...in normal use I doubt I would ever scroll as fast as I need to to crash it anyway. Just thought I should mention I found a way to reliably make it fall over. |
| 12:48:29 | [Saint] | (for myself at least) |
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| 12:49:26 | [Saint] | Mainly I wanted to see if anyone else could confirm it. So it is known in the Playlist Viewer, but not (normally) in other lists? |
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| 12:49:36 | kugel | yes |
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| 12:51:18 | pixelma | something to do with "chunked" browsing? |
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| 13:13:23 | [Saint] | PaulJam: there have been some reports of filesystem corruption on a few DAPs in the past ~2 weeks or so. |
| 13:13:27 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11877 (I saw discussion about it here, seems to apply to all software USB targets, and there were also more reports about filesystem corruption here and in the forums) |
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| 13:52:06 | funman | hi |
| 13:52:43 | * | gevaerts waves to funman |
| 13:52:53 | funman | sideral asked me for the as3543 datasheet but i don't have it here with me |
| 13:53:21 | sideral | funman: This wiki page <http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AustriaMicrosystems> says you have various AMS datasheets? |
| 13:53:22 | funman | if he wants to work on clipv2 could someone who has it give a copy to him? (at condition of no redistribution) |
| 13:54:07 | gevaerts | Don't kugel and bertrik have it? |
| 13:54:10 | funman | sideral: yes, only the as3525 is publicly available on their website though |
| 13:54:24 | sideral | and a 400-pages folder full of dev info? |
| 13:54:50 | B4gder | funman: I don't have the as3543 one |
| 13:55:24 | funman | i probably gave them to bertrik kugel and also saratoga |
| 13:56:10 | sideral | funman: I'm not in a hurry, it would also be fine if you could send them to my later this week |
| 13:57:00 | funman | ah, found it in my mail archive; i'll give it to you |
| 13:57:19 | sideral | great, thanks! |
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| 13:59:40 | sideral | funman: do you have any other data sheets that might be relevant? |
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| 14:01:52 | funman | as3525 of course |
| 14:02:25 | funman | maybe as3514 too for comparison (i got that one from B4gder) |
| 14:04:46 | sideral | I do have the AS3525 one |
| 14:05:44 | sideral | AS3514 would be interesting |
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| 14:08:37 | kugel | I don't have the as3543 one |
| 14:09:46 | funman | give me your mail if you want to fix that 'bug' :) |
| 14:10:28 | kugel | i don't need it |
| 14:10:36 | kugel | or does it match any of our targets? |
| 14:10:52 | funman | amsv2 |
| 14:11:06 | kugel | oh really? |
| 14:11:22 | sideral | the audio / powermgmt part only |
| 14:11:22 | funman | H i g h E n d St e r e o A u d i o C o d e c w i t h S y s t e m P M U |
| 14:11:29 | funman | s/ //g |
| 14:11:52 | kugel | ah right |
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| 14:15:34 | preglow | kugel: ever noticed playback stopping on android rockbox? halts completely until you seek around a bit |
| 14:15:53 | preglow | happens fairly often, ranging from every 5-20 mins |
| 14:16:13 | kugel | I had that constantly with the htc firmware and its bug, but not anymore since I switched to another rom |
| 14:16:32 | funman | ++ |
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| 14:17:00 | preglow | well, froyo now, all the other kinks vanished, but not that |
| 14:17:14 | preglow | what bug would this be, btw? still talking about the background scheduler bug? |
| 14:17:32 | kugel | ooops, I gave funman a wrong email :( |
| 14:17:46 | kugel | preglow: yes |
| 14:17:50 | preglow | well, that is gone |
| 14:18:24 | preglow | and no other apps doing sound playback has a similar problem |
| 14:18:24 | kugel | I haven't had a playback lockup since ages |
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| 14:19:14 | preglow | guess i'll have to stuff in some debugging then |
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| 14:31:55 | sideral | ah, that AS3543 data sheet has several bits that weren't in the header files yet. looking forward to playing with them tonight. :) |
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| 14:36:45 | pixelma | I had playback freezing on android after changing SD cards and the now current one didn't have a "rockbox" folder - happened when changing settings (such as volume) that would need to be written to config.cfg. I don't know what happens if e.g. the playlist control file would need to be updated |
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| 14:41:57 | sideral | I've posted an update to FS #11748 (autoresume) with a new proposal for simplifying the configuration. Anyone interested in commenting? (kugel, gevaerts, Llorean, pixelma?) |
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| 14:42:57 | pixelma | wow, I really read that "commenting" as "committing"... |
| 14:43:17 | sideral | I'd be happy with that as well ;) |
| 14:43:29 | Rim13 | Hi. I have RockBox on ipod classic. I see error:"codec failure". This song is http://goo.gl/4x0ea . MediaInfo File: http://goo.gl/9ySUd . |
| 14:44:00 | pixelma | I won't do that, it's already to "low level" for me, I only do very small fixes, graphics and manual stuff |
| 14:44:28 | pixelma | Rim13: do other flacs work? |
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| 14:44:53 | Rim13 | But this file RockBox can read http://goo.gl/UPUdL . |
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| 14:45:47 | Rim13 | MediaInfo: http://goo.gl/HgT0N |
| 14:45:55 | pixelma | do you know what type the tags are (vorbis comments or other)? |
| 14:47:59 | Rim13 | I don't know. |
| 14:51:06 | Rim13 | MPC - HC 64bit (x64) v1.4.2499 play both files |
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| 14:58:56 | Rim13 | What it is necessary to make that flac would be read RockBox? |
| 14:59:05 | pixelma | I can't see any obvious, maybe someone else has an idea |
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| 15:03:07 | Rim13 | Thanks for the help |
| 15:04:14 | Rim13 | I hope the answer will be |
| 15:07:02 | gevaerts | sideral: I think your proposal will at least solve the "it's too complicated" problem |
| 15:08:15 | sideral | gevaerts: Thanks for the feedback. Yes, that was the goal. |
| 15:08:50 | gevaerts | And for the audiobook case (which I guess means "a set of consecutive tracks"), I'd say the current bookmark system works well, so if your mechanism doesn't address those, that's not really a problem |
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| 15:10:42 | sideral | I think my mechanism now actually can work with audiobooks as well: Just exclude audiobooks from the resume-on-automatic-trackchange config. The only thing missing is finding the right track to start with. |
| 15:10:54 | sideral | And for that, bookmarks are better suited. |
| 15:11:03 | gevaerts | yes, exactly |
| 15:11:50 | gevaerts | Let's see what the others say. |
| 15:11:57 | pixelma | Rim13: the first file (Back on my Feet) plays in a Rockbox simulator on my PC. I tried that because it also gives some info when it fails usually. Do other FLACs play currently on your Ipod? |
| 15:12:08 | sideral | gevaerts: I actually have an idea that would simplify this as well (w/o having to go through bookmarks): |
| 15:12:32 | sideral | the DB browser could by default highlight the last-played track |
| 15:12:37 | sideral | but that's future work |
| 15:12:45 | gevaerts | How would that work? |
| 15:13:31 | n1s | Rim13: only so called "subset" (iirc) flac files are guaranteed to work |
| 15:13:51 | sideral | gevaerts: as you enter a DB view (say an album consisting of audiobook chapters in separate mp3 files), the tagtree checks the last-played property in the DB and highlights the youngest one |
| 15:13:52 | n1s | blocksize <= 4608 for example |
| 15:14:23 | pixelma | n1s: that file works in a current c200 sim |
| 15:14:26 | gevaerts | sideral: remember that not all supported players have an RTC, so you can't reliably use timestamps :) |
| 15:14:33 | gevaerts | A counter would work though |
| 15:14:46 | n1s | pixelma: ok, not a codec limitation then |
| 15:15:00 | sideral | gevaerts: oh ok |
| 15:15:42 | gevaerts | Also, on some players that do have an RTC, a hard reset (which you unfortunately still have to do every now and then...) resets the clock |
| 15:15:54 | sideral | we could also fake a logical clock for players that don't have an RTC |
| 15:15:58 | gevaerts | Which means that on my gigabeat the clock tends to not be set :) |
| 15:16:26 | sideral | where we make the last clock value persistent in nvram before poweroff |
| 15:16:47 | gevaerts | I'd just use a counter. You don't need actual *time* for this, just play order |
| 15:17:17 | sideral | I probably mean the same by "logical clock" |
| 15:17:25 | gevaerts | probably |
| 15:18:24 | gevaerts | We do have some sort of code that sets file modification timestamps in an increasing order on non-RTC players. I'm not sure how it works though |
| 15:19:00 | sideral | that's good feedback, thanks. I might tackle the DB highlighting thing next(ish) depending on demand |
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| 15:19:27 | sideral | it would be a good learning opportunity for the DB/tagtree |
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| 15:20:03 | sideral | But I have some questions to Slasheri first :) |
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| 15:20:59 | Rim13 | this file RockBox can read http://goo.gl/UPUdL . |
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| 15:22:19 | Rim13 | Please repeat again at I rumple irc it was updated |
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| 15:25:09 | sideral | gevaerts: Have you had a look at the comment above the config proposal? It's the summary you promised to read ;) |
| 15:25:36 | gevaerts | sideral: I read it together with your new proposal |
| 15:25:50 | gevaerts | That's why I brought up the audiobook thing |
| 15:26:44 | sideral | a cool |
| 15:27:15 | sideral | do you have comments regarding the base-mechanism discussion? |
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| 15:28:20 | gevaerts | Well, I don't really agree that the bookmarking system is a complex and fragile, but I do agree that it doesn't fit your goals |
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| 15:31:09 | gevaerts | I still think that a good solution would be to allow the database to update on demand (i.e. it would only add tracks to it when the autoresume thing needs them there, which ensures the database doesn't grow huge), but I don't see that as a blocker. It can easily be added later, without actually changing anything for how autoresume is implemented now |
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| 15:36:43 | sideral | fair enough. I actually do want to look at real-time DB extensions as a follow-on project |
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| 15:38:07 | sideral | I'll wait for some more feedback and then update my patch set accordingly, plus do the handbook changes |
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| 15:40:54 | sideral | thanks gevaerts |
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| 16:24:33 | dfkt|x | i'm trying to build rockbox for android (on ubuntu 10), followed the readme and used the .sh file for installation - now i get the error "arm-linux-androideabi-gcc: not found" - how can i fix this? |
| 16:29:19 | dfkt|x | i.e. i have no clue how to "make sure you have the ANDROID_SDK_PATH and ANDROID_NDK_PATH (pointing to |
| 16:29:20 | dfkt|x | the each's root directory) environment variables set up" |
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| 16:35:40 | CapsAdmin | *PANIC* |
| 16:35:47 | CapsAdmin | Stack underflow... viewportmanager |
| 16:36:00 | CapsAdmin | I saw a patch for it, but I'm wondering how I can restart the ipod |
| 16:37:27 | CapsAdmin | it's unresponsive |
| 16:37:46 | n1s | press and hold menu+select |
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| 16:38:02 | CapsAdmin | oh |
| 16:38:12 | CapsAdmin | i thought it was just a press thing |
| 16:38:27 | CapsAdmin | I didn't know I had to hold those buttons for longer than 2 seconds |
| 16:38:31 | CapsAdmin | thanks |
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| 17:00:40 | gevaerts | dfkt|x: "export ANDROID_SDK_PATH=/path/to/wherever/the/sdk/is" and similar for the ndk? |
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| 17:02:58 | dfkt|x | gevaerts, i see folders for the sdk and ndk in my home directory, but this gives the same "not found" results |
| 17:04:35 | gevaerts | that part works for me |
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| 17:10:58 | [Saint] | preglow: noticed you talking about RaaA lockups...I get them all the time. |
| 17:11:42 | [Saint] | Except seeking back/forth won't make it come out of lock...the UI is respomsive and I can navigate normally....just no sound. |
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| 17:23:37 | amiconn | gevaerts, sideral: We do fake fat timestamps in rockbox, as vfat requires timestamps. But those are only strictly monotonic per file, not for the whole filesystem |
| 17:24:01 | gevaerts | ah, right. So useless for any other purpose |
| 17:26:21 | amiconn | It uses 3 rules: (1) For new files, start at build_date, 00:11:11. (2) When modifying a file and its old timestamp is before build_date, advance to build_date, 00:11:11. (3) Advance time by 00:11:11, when minutes wrap increment hour( /day/ month/year) and set min:sec back to 11:11 |
| 17:28:25 | amiconn | The reasoning for 11 min 11 sec is to make those faked times easily recognisable. Thell always be xx:11:10, xx:22:22, xx:33:32, xx:44:44 or xx:55:54 when listed (deviation in the last digit due to fat's two-second modfication time precision) |
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| 19:24:36 | dfkt|x | when i try to build rockbox for android, should there actually be a file called "arm-linux-androideabi-gcc" somewhere on the hdd? i still get the "not found" message, even if it's in my path, and the sdk and ndk have been installed properly |
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| 19:29:09 | dfkt|x | besides that i also get "arm-linux-androideabi-ld: not found" |
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| 19:37:19 | gevaerts | dfkt|x: yes, you need arm-linux-androideabi-gcc somewhere |
| 19:39:26 | dfkt|x | gevaerts, meaning, it should definitely show up somewhere when i search for it in eg. nautilus? |
| 19:39:52 | gevaerts | In $ANDROID_NDK_PATH/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.4.3/prebuilt/linux-x66/bin |
| 19:41:16 | dfkt|x | hmm, there is no /toolchains in my /home/dfkt/android-ndk-r5 directory |
| 19:41:39 | dfkt|x | only /source and /tests |
| 19:41:50 | gevaerts | That doesn't look right then |
| 19:41:50 | markcrase | How difficult is it to patch my Clip+ with the usb fix?(I haven't seen a guide) |
| 19:41:57 | gevaerts | Was it unpacked correctly? |
| 19:42:27 | dfkt|x | i ran installToolchain.sh from rockbox trunk /android |
| 19:42:40 | dfkt|x | then i set up the sdk - there was no info on setting up the ndk |
| 19:42:56 | dfkt|x | does the ndk need to be set up as well? |
| 19:43:22 | gevaerts | markcrase: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches and the pages it refers to |
| 19:43:24 | dfkt|x | with setting up the sdk i mean i installed pretty much everything from 1.5 to 3.0 |
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| 19:44:38 | gevaerts | dfkt|x: do you still have the downloaded android-ndk-r5-linux-x86.tar.bz2? |
| 19:44:39 | dfkt|x | also, i don't seem to be the owner of the ndk directory, it's got a big lock on it |
| 19:44:46 | gevaerts | Probably in /tmp/ |
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| 19:45:16 | gevaerts | If you do, can you check how big that file is? |
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| 19:45:32 | dfkt|x | gevaerts, not in tmp, but i downloaded the tar ball manually as well |
| 19:45:48 | gevaerts | I just downloaded it, and it does have toolchains |
| 19:46:18 | gevaerts | 44362746 bytes, md5sum 49d5c35ec02bafc074842542c58b7eb3 |
| 19:46:20 | dfkt|x | indeed, just looked inside it, all is there |
| 19:46:24 | markcrase | Thanks gevaerts! |
| 19:46:45 | dfkt|x | this one i didn't use however - i just used the rockbox .sh. twice, actually |
| 19:47:26 | dfkt|x | i guess just extracting that over the borked install won't work? |
| 19:47:36 | gevaerts | it should |
| 19:47:43 | dfkt|x | nice, i'll try |
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| 19:52:18 | dfkt|x | gevaerts, appears to be working now, running make :) |
| 19:52:40 | gevaerts | dfkt|x: that script should probably check md5sums :) |
| 19:53:01 | gevaerts | As should rockboxdev.sh, really |
| 19:58:53 | * | Bagder agrees |
| 19:59:25 | saratoga | rockboxdev can't setup the android tools? |
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| 20:00:01 | dionoea | untarring 2 files isn't too complicated :) (and I don't have a clue about rockboxdev) |
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| 20:01:36 | Bushmills | I prefer rsync with -c option (checksum tests for updates, copies only those) |
| 20:02:40 | gevaerts | Bushmills: that assumes rsync on the other end |
| 20:03:05 | Bushmills | not if rockbox device is mounted as usb storage |
| 20:03:18 | gevaerts | huh? |
| 20:03:27 | gevaerts | Rockbox devices are not involved here |
| 20:03:29 | Torne | rsync -c on local storage doesn't save any time |
| 20:03:32 | dfkt|x | gevaerts, thank you very much. *now* it's working. i also had to chmod the ndk directory to a rude 777, since it was somehow locked |
| 20:03:53 | Bushmills | hm, just checking... i'm not on the wrong channel, am I? |
| 20:04:13 | gevaerts | Bushmills: we're discussing downloading toolchains |
| 20:04:14 | dfkt|x | wonder why it had such weird permissions |
| 20:04:21 | Bushmills | ehm. |
| 20:04:29 | Bushmills | grin. foot in mouth situation |
| 20:04:43 | sideral | we don't have a general memory / device register hex editor tool or plugin, have we? |
| 20:05:10 | gevaerts | dfkt|x: my guess is because the tar file was cut off before it got to the permissions bit |
| 20:06:05 | Torne | sideral: no. that kind of thing tends to lead to horrible accidents. ;) |
| 20:06:28 | Torne | sideral: e.g. if you turn off the bits on the ipod PMU that make it turn on when you press buttons or connect power. ;) |
| 20:07:19 | sideral | Torne: you wouldn't have to expose it to users :) |
| 20:07:25 | gevaerts | Battery disconnect time :) |
| 20:07:39 | * | gevaerts once had those registers connected to USB serial for easy testing |
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| 20:09:40 | * | sideral wonders how you guys survived this long without a decent kernel debugger or gdb stub |
| 20:10:04 | gevaerts | sideral: you know how long linux did without those? |
| 20:10:21 | sideral | yes, I do |
| 20:10:39 | sideral | at least they have nicely decorated Oopses |
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| 20:10:54 | sideral | as a cheap replacement for a kernel core dump |
| 20:11:29 | gevaerts | We have nice panic messages :) |
| 20:11:36 | gevaerts | Complete with an address you can find! |
| 20:12:16 | sideral | but when I had much to do with Linux, I did have the fortune of having a microkernel-ish kernel debugger plugged under it |
| 20:12:37 | sideral | that was quite useful... |
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| 20:14:44 | Torne | sideral: having spent a long time doing development with full JTAG debugging I really don't think it's generally that useful |
| 20:14:54 | Torne | debugging stuff with printf and so on works a lot better most of the time |
| 20:15:16 | Torne | using "proper" tools is a big time investment and only worth it for things which are genuinely very hard to resolve |
| 20:15:56 | sideral | it can be very convenient, though |
| 20:17:14 | sideral | Also, JTAG typically is at the wrong level of abstraction: too low, doesn't know about kernel data structures |
| 20:18:01 | Torne | er, sure it does |
| 20:18:12 | Torne | JTAG is just a way to get access to memory/registers |
| 20:18:18 | Torne | same as a gdb stub |
| 20:18:25 | Torne | the debugging tool on top of that is free to do whatever it likes |
| 20:18:29 | Torne | the backend is uninteresting |
| 20:19:07 | sideral | OK, maybe the debugging tools I saw on top of JTAG were sub-par. I never saw a gdb connected via JTAG |
| 20:19:24 | Torne | gdb comes under "sub-par", no? ;) |
| 20:19:45 | sideral | but anyway, a kernel-specific in-kernel debugger that can traverse the kernel's structures is much more convenient than gdb |
| 20:20:06 | Torne | ..why do you need something kernel specific for that? |
| 20:20:11 | Torne | it's an ELF binary, at some point |
| 20:20:14 | Torne | debuggers know how to do that |
| 20:20:55 | sideral | general-purpose debuggers don't know how to show all kernel threads blocked on something with a single-key command ;) |
| 20:21:01 | Torne | yes they do |
| 20:21:06 | Torne | your debugger sucks |
| 20:21:51 | Torne | learn to script ;) |
| 20:22:02 | sideral | we're likely not talking about the same thing :) |
| 20:22:17 | gevaerts | Torne: why? You said it's not worth it :) |
| 20:22:24 | sideral | let's just agree that gdb sucks ;) |
| 20:23:10 | Torne | sideral: a general-purpose debugger is one where I can write arbitrary scripts to interpret the contents of memory/registers any way I feel like |
| 20:23:24 | Torne | using the full debug info from the original binaries |
| 20:24:05 | sideral | I chose to "script" that stuff in C, within the kernel, back in the day |
| 20:24:06 | Torne | if it takes more than a one line script to turn a linkedlist/whatever based on a known struct from the dwarf data into a nice table you can sort by any column then your debugger is lame ;) |
| 20:24:24 | Torne | what's the point in that being in the kernel when you can do it in one line in the debugger anyway? :) |
| 20:25:00 | sideral | because it's not a one-liner to interactively traverse page tables, for example |
| 20:25:04 | Torne | yes it is |
| 20:25:10 | Torne | less than one line, in fact :) |
| 20:25:10 | sideral | no it is not |
| 20:25:27 | Torne | in trace32 it's "mmu.list" |
| 20:25:47 | sideral | ok, you win |
| 20:26:04 | sideral | because I wanted to do some audio debugging tonight ;) |
| 20:26:05 | Torne | or provide an address if you want a different page directory than the one currently in use |
| 20:27:19 | sideral | btw Torne, I had a go at Frotz with the game you recommended, Curses |
| 20:27:57 | sideral | I didn't get very far with the Clip keyboard ;) |
| 20:28:07 | Torne | yeah, i said :) |
| 20:28:10 | Torne | it's not exactly comfortable. |
| 20:28:35 | sideral | But it was cool to play with it anyway, and enough to do some basic exploration |
| 20:30:08 | * | Torne nods. |
| 20:30:24 | sideral | ok, now let me open that AS3543 datasheet... |
| 20:30:26 | Torne | My goal when I get around to it is to add a way to load keymaps that map player buttons to z-machine keys |
| 20:30:39 | Torne | and then try and encourage people to play z-machine games which use key input instead of line input |
| 20:30:46 | Torne | e.g. CYOA-style ones |
| 20:32:03 | sideral | that would be cool |
| 20:33:45 | Torne | there are quite a few, though not anywhere near as many as use line input of course |
| 20:34:57 | sideral | I wonder whether an input mode with a fixed vocabulary to choose from, as in early Lucasfilm adventures, would be helpful |
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| 20:35:24 | Torne | Yeah, there are other options I can steal from other frotz ports |
| 20:35:38 | Torne | One reasonable combination is having a textfile of commands that are available fro ma menu, common stuff |
| 20:35:51 | Torne | and maybe a mode where you ccan enter directions with arrows |
| 20:36:00 | Torne | and maybe a mode where you can select words from the screen to retype. |
| 20:36:30 | sideral | I'd try it if you did it ;) |
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| 20:36:39 | Torne | so you can go, say, click-scroll-"examine" (from menu), clicksomethingelse-scrollback-"ladder" (from previous output) |
| 20:36:48 | Torne | Well, they've been done before, GBAfrotz uses lots of tricks like that |
| 20:36:54 | Torne | because typing on the GBA is hilarious |
| 20:37:12 | Torne | i just haven't implemented them yet. |
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| 21:26:17 | saratoga | sideral: FS #8054 - set_gpio plugin |
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| 21:52:05 | sideral | saratoga: Nice start −− thanks! |
| 21:52:26 | saratoga | i've been meaning to dust that off for years and make it another test_* plugin |
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| 21:54:44 | sideral | saratoga: I'm compiling a list of things to try to tackle the annoying background noise on the ClipV2. Do you perhaps already have such a list? |
| 21:55:39 | saratoga | i would probably try and dump every audio/pmu related register and go through them for ones that look weird |
| 21:55:54 | pixelma | is this some hiss you can hear during disk access, or something else? |
| 21:55:56 | saratoga | maybe compare between the clipv2 and clip+ and look for differences |
| 21:56:01 | saratoga | its probably something in there thats not initialized correctly |
| 21:56:13 | saratoga | only reason i could think that you hear it during playback but not during radio |
| 21:56:32 | sideral | people have reported the problem for the clip+ as well |
| 21:57:25 | sideral | also, audio-wise there seems to be no difference in initialization between clipv2 and clip+ |
| 21:58:06 | sideral | are you sure it's not there when using the FM radio? |
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| 22:00:11 | saratoga | IIRC its not |
| 22:00:22 | saratoga | theres some noise on the clip+ recently, but i don't think its the same |
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| 22:01:52 | sideral | I have no rockboxed clip+ to compare to right now. I'd have to rockbox my girl friend's clip+, and she'd hate it if something went wrong :) |
| 22:04:37 | sideral | saratoga: I can hear the clipv2 "think" in fm mode when muted. it just thinks less because there's nothing to DMA / decode, but if I use the UI I can hear the hissing sound I think |
| 22:04:49 | kugel | sideral: I think I like your proposal for auto resume. Just one question, how do you distinguish genres and paths in that setting? |
| 22:04:51 | saratoga | weird, i tested and coulnd't hear anything |
| 22:05:21 | sideral | saratoga: when I hold volume-down there is clicking |
| 22:06:21 | sideral | kugel: great, thanks for taking a look! In my last proposal, I would have just one comma-separated list of search strings that would be applied to both the genre tag and the file path |
| 22:06:51 | kugel | so how would the podcast dir/filename look like so it's matched by the setting? |
| 22:07:58 | sideral | say you leave the custom search string at "podcast". it would match all files that have "podcast" (case insensitive) in their file name, such as /PODCASTS/Foo/bar.mp3 |
| 22:08:21 | sideral | or /bar/baz/foo-podcast.mp3 |
| 22:08:49 | kugel | what about /sdcard/podcasts/foo.mp3? |
| 22:09:36 | sideral | works as well |
| 22:09:43 | kugel | cool |
| 22:09:45 | kugel | just a minor: I think a semi colon would work better as separater |
| 22:10:17 | sideral | hmm ok, why? |
| 22:11:03 | sideral | I don't think anyone would ever search for a path name with a comma in it? |
| 22:11:07 | kugel | less likely to be part of a filename and more commonly used I'd say |
| 22:11:36 | * | Bagder spots a mail... |
| 22:12:15 | sideral | I've thought a bit about this before and found "comma-separated" to be most self-describing to the user and the shortest variant as well |
| 22:12:54 | gevaerts | kugel: "part of a filename" is irrelevant as long as it's not part of a pattern |
| 22:12:59 | sideral | the only downside I see is that you can't search for the comma itself. but OTOH, I don't really care that much which it is |
| 22:13:42 | gevaerts | One thing I'm not sure about is if the search strings should match an entire path component or not |
| 22:14:48 | sideral | gevaerts: I don't think so. I like that the default "podcast" matches the OF's standard dir for podcasts on my player, which happens to be called "PODCASTS" (mind the "s" at the end) |
| 22:15:07 | kugel | I couldn't put a podcast folder into the root on RaaA |
| 22:15:28 | gevaerts | sideral: it does increase the chance of false positives a bit |
| 22:16:05 | dionoea | kugel: I've uploaded the new android widget patch |
| 22:16:07 | sideral | gevaerts: right. but users can protect against it by searching for "/podcast/" instead |
| 22:16:11 | dionoea | (as well as some screenshots) |
| 22:16:14 | gevaerts | ah, right |
| 22:16:34 | gevaerts | Well, only if they don't use genre tag matching |
| 22:16:40 | sideral | yeah |
| 22:16:50 | gevaerts | hm, maybe I do prefer separate genre and filename matching lists |
| 22:17:01 | kugel | dionoea: how hard is adding other sizes? |
| 22:17:03 | gevaerts | Well, it's not a major issue either way |
| 22:17:29 | sideral | gevaerts: :) I think this is making a good tradeoff |
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| 22:18:37 | dionoea | kugel: fairly easy |
| 22:18:43 | * | sideral got mail... |
| 22:18:47 | enthdegree | zoop da doop, my clip + arrived, time to look for ti84 emulators I can port |
| 22:18:48 | kugel | and album art? ;) |
| 22:18:56 | dionoea | kugel: just add stuff to the manifest, create a layout and a dummy class |
| 22:19:30 | sideral | Thanks guys, it's an honor |
| 22:19:33 | dionoea | kugel: that might be a bit harder. Depends if we can just get the resource's path on the sdcard or if we must send binary from rockbox. |
| 22:20:00 | dionoea | but it's definitely doable |
| 22:20:08 | kugel | the path should be relatively easy |
| 22:20:21 | dionoea | I just don't have any album art on any of my music so I'll let someone else work it out |
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| 22:20:51 | kugel | you sent plain multimedia keys right? so the keys should be working with other apps |
| 22:21:45 | kugel | I wonder if there's some kind of standard/de facto API for music widgets |
| 22:22:08 | dionoea | that would be nice yeah. |
| 22:23:34 | dionoea | and I don't think that I send multimedia key intents ... don't remember why though. |
| 22:24:21 | dionoea | I should fix that |
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| 22:25:21 | dionoea | probably didn't want other applications to receive them (but that's not a good excuse, I could have targeted the intent to the rockbox media button receiver) |
| 22:25:49 | kugel | does it even need intents? |
| 22:26:02 | dionoea | yes, the widget is a different process |
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| 22:26:27 | dionoea | I'm not sure if it's one process per widget or for all of a widget provider's widgets |
| 22:26:44 | dionoea | probably one per widget provider |
| 22:27:56 | kugel | https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_policies_base/commit/0be3df4b706fe1ff11c5bc49ae917d52e7ec40f0 shows how to broadcast them, but I don't know if apps/widget can do it as well |
| 22:29:23 | enthdegree | If I wrote a TI ROM emulator plugin would it be committed? |
| 22:31:03 | dionoea | kugel: everyone can broadcast any intent if I understand those correctly |
| 22:31:56 | dionoea | it might be a bit weird if we broadcast standard intents but can't be updated by other media applications |
| 22:32:38 | dionoea | (especially if intents like play launch the corresponding service) |
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| 22:35:01 | kugel | dionoea: unfortunately we can't do that yet :( |
| 22:35:29 | dionoea | is it technically impossible? |
| 22:35:38 | dionoea | or just due to the current rockbox app code infrastructure ? |
| 22:36:00 | kugel | I'd say it's mostly that nobody has looked into it |
| 22:36:02 | | Part vnl |
| 22:36:10 | dionoea | ok, so it's possible :D |
| 22:36:23 | kugel | most probably |
| 22:37:09 | dionoea | also, I don't know if other people noticed it, but it seems that the pcm driver sometimes gets stuck and needs a pause/play to start again |
| 22:37:18 | enthdegree | /join #rockbox-dev |
| 22:37:22 | enthdegree | oops |
| 22:37:33 | krazykit | you're in the dev channel |
| 22:37:54 | dionoea | enthdegree: if the plugin is good enough it probably would |
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| 22:38:00 | dionoea | (but then that's not up to me :p) |
| 22:38:02 | enthdegree | Kool. How much ram is available for the Clip + to use? |
| 22:38:05 | kugel | dionoea: some people have reported that but it works just fine for me |
| 22:38:37 | dionoea | kugel: it might depend on the hardware / android version. I had it on a Nexus One with stock roms 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 |
| 22:38:55 | dionoea | I'll probably try to write a native driver when they decide to send the 2.3 OTA update |
| 22:39:46 | enthdegree | well, I ask that because I notice that good plugins like the improved wikipedia/dictionary reader are left as patches while trash like rockblox1d, jackpot, robotfindskitten, and 3 versions of snake are left intact |
| 22:39:47 | kugel | you could install CM7 (nightly builds) |
| 22:40:05 | * | Bagder adds committer #95 and welcomes sideral onboard |
| 22:40:13 | dionoea | I don't want to risk anything :) The default build is just fine for my needs |
| 22:40:16 | kugel | sideral: \o/ |
| 22:40:27 | Bagder | sideral: please start with adding yourself to docs/COMMITTERS |
| 22:40:31 | sideral | jippie! Thanks guys |
| 22:40:34 | gevaerts | enthdegree: there are serious reasons to not commit the wikipedia plugin |
| 22:40:49 | enthdegree | Oh, I was not aware of them. |
| 22:40:51 | sideral | Badger: will do |
| 22:40:59 | krazykit | enthdegree, whoa whoa, robotfindskitten is the best plugin for rockbox. you must not "get it" |
| 22:41:05 | gevaerts | They happen to be documented on the tracker |
| 22:41:35 | enthdegree | aah, I did not mean robotfindskitten, I play that all the time!! |
| 22:43:58 | saratoga | enthdegree: 8MB DRAM, 1MB IRAM |
| 22:44:20 | enthdegree | saratoga: Thank you! Where did you get that info? |
| 22:44:31 | saratoga | datasheet |
| 22:44:47 | saratoga | err i guess funman told me when he reverse engineered it |
| 22:45:20 | pixelma | sideral: welcome, but please stay a bit calm (as you currently do) about the controversial features :) |
| 22:45:57 | saratoga | no instead commit a malloc feature for rockbox |
| 22:46:15 | sideral | :) |
| 22:46:35 | sideral | I thought I'd first commit my custom keymap |
| 22:48:16 | pixelma | for? |
| 22:49:04 | sideral | why, for the archos ondio fm of course ;) |
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| 22:49:51 | pixelma | sideral: because keymap changes can also lead to discussions from users, ask Llorean ;) |
| 22:50:15 | pixelma | not to discuss but about his experiences with keymap changes |
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| 22:52:08 | sideral | pixelma: I do in fact think that my keymap (for the ClipV2) is superior, but I was just joking. I'll keep my keymap for myself for the time being ;) |
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| 22:53:49 | pixelma | I'm not opposed to these kind of changes if they improve things, but don't underestimate people getting used to something |
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| 22:54:13 | kugel | superior sounds good :) |
| 22:54:30 | pixelma | and I won't comment on the Clip's keymaps because I don't have such a device myself |
| 22:55:52 | sideral | It's very tempting, but I'll keep shut in this topic for today ;) |
| 22:56:20 | sideral | I'm trying to figure out how svn authentication works with git-svn... |
| 22:57:49 | pixelma | before I committed some changes to the c200 keymap, I still put up patches to the tracker for people to try and comment |
| 22:59:04 | sideral | pixelma: That would be my plan as well. There's already a lengthy FS item on Clip keymaps, but I still prefer my own over the ones posted there |
| 22:59:44 | kugel | sideral: just make the first commit with svn, git-svn will pickup the authentification information |
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| 23:03:18 | dionoea | how do you push stuff upstream with git-svn? does it just require a call to git push? (I've never used it but will probably switch my rockbox checkout to git-svn soon) |
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| 23:10:11 | CIA-7 | New commit by sideral (r29151): Added myself to COMMITTERS |
| 23:10:32 | thomasjfox | kugel: funny android dpad patch. you have to apply all the intermediate versions :o) |
| 23:10:58 | kugel | thomasjfox: hey o/ |
| 23:11:38 | kugel | I've lost all track about this task, so many patches and comments |
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| 23:12:47 | thomasjfox | kugel: I've seen your dlopen fix. Good work. Didn't try it yet as my PC is into pieces right now (new mobo). |
| 23:12:48 | sideral | dionoea: That's done with "git svn dcommit" |
| 23:13:33 | dionoea | and just git svn clone svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk to init the repo ? (seems to be copying stuff from the website part of the repo too) |
| 23:13:49 | CIA-7 | r29151 build result: All green |
| 23:13:51 | thomasjfox | kugel: I got all confused by just reading the FS entry... |
| 23:13:52 | sideral | yeah |
| 23:14:02 | kugel | dionoea: cloning from svn is time consuming |
| 23:14:04 | AlexP | sideral: Doesn't it prompt you? It is a while since I set mine up, so I can't remember what I did :) |
| 23:14:16 | dionoea | kugel: is there an alternative ? |
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| 23:14:35 | kugel | if you only care about trunk, then we already have a git mirror for it; it doesn't include tags and branches (and www, etc) though |
| 23:14:53 | sideral | dionoea: you can clone the existing git clone at git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox |
| 23:15:02 | dionoea | oh, nice. And can I use it to push stuff upstream afterwards? |
| 23:15:09 | kugel | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GitVersionControl |
| 23:15:15 | dionoea | ah nice, thanks. |
| 23:15:16 | AlexP | tags and branches are quite useful now that we do point releases |
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| 23:15:31 | sideral | no, for that you need to set up the svn stuff. |
| 23:15:41 | AlexP | Or now that we have done one :) |
| 23:15:48 | dionoea | but i can set it up on top of the git clone right ? |
| 23:15:51 | sideral | but that should be faster once you've cloned the existing git repo |
| 23:15:57 | dionoea | ok, great. thanks |
| 23:16:21 | kugel | the page I linked has all steps from clong to being able to push upstream |
| 23:16:22 | sideral | see the wiki page kugel cited |
| 23:16:30 | kugel | thomasjfox: that's unfortunate |
| 23:16:53 | AlexP | Speaking of keymaps, I'd quite like to be able to get to the menu from the WPS on android without having to go all the way back through the file tree |
| 23:17:12 | kugel | press menu |
| 23:17:20 | AlexP | that brings up the context menu |
| 23:17:48 | kugel | not anymore |
| 23:18:02 | AlexP | ah, I must be out of date |
| 23:18:06 | AlexP | ta |
| 23:18:32 | thomasjfox | kugel: how do you access the context menu now? |
| 23:18:52 | thomasjfox | the maemo cabbie version has the same "issue" |
| 23:19:08 | kugel | the C icon |
| 23:19:17 | kugel | on the pop up |
| 23:19:21 | AlexP | kugel: actually, sorry - menu from wps does take me to the menu, but menu in the filetree is context menu (as well as long press being context menu) - is this fixed too? |
| 23:19:31 | kugel | not yet |
| 23:19:54 | AlexP | OK |
| 23:20:00 | kugel | but it should |
| 23:20:08 | AlexP | yeah :) |
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| 23:29:39 | dfkt | i'm starting to remake on of my WPS themes for a 240x400 archos android - is there any website upload mechanism for such a case yet? |
| 23:29:43 | dfkt | *one |
| 23:33:42 | pixelma | this resolution is the same as the Ondas, guess you can reuse that |
| 23:34:58 | dfkt | true, i tried the onda themes on the player - they worked halfway, will use that for now - thanks pixelma |
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| 23:43:28 | kugel | dfkt: as cabbie is the default theme the tracker would be appropriate; otherwise the theme site |
| 23:43:42 | AlexP | kugel: What is the large amount of data space that Rockbox starts using once you run it once? |
| 23:43:56 | AlexP | It goes from a 3 MB ish install to 11 or 12 |
| 23:44:14 | kugel | I guess 11 or 12 :) |
| 23:44:27 | * | kugel misread |
| 23:44:32 | AlexP | I mean why does it, and is there anyway to stick it on SD |
| 23:44:40 | AlexP | *any way |
| 23:44:43 | kugel | it's unzipping codecs and themes et all |
| 23:45:08 | kugel | moving to sd is possible but it doesn't help much |
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| 23:45:24 | AlexP | Yeah, at the moment - I meant can those bits not be offloaded? |
| 23:45:31 | AlexP | Just as it is a rather large install |
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| 23:50:20 | kugel | I think it's possible but I haven't looked into it |
| 23:50:29 | AlexP | OK, no worries :) |
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| 23:51:43 | AlexP | kugel: Also, (sorry for badgering you :)), is the patch to make the items better spaced out on flyspray as I can't find it |
| 23:52:02 | kugel | no |
| 23:52:17 | AlexP | Do you have a link to it to hand? |
| 23:52:31 | AlexP | With my fat fingers I find it not very useable without |
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