| 00:00:50 | bertrik | How does this target store its files? in raw NAND? or in some other kind of flash memory? |
| 00:00:57 | wodz | don't know - the nice thing is that there are public developer manuals for this DSP core |
| 00:01:16 | bertrik | The raw NAND interface on the meizus and the Samsung yp-s3 basically ended my research on these targets |
| 00:01:32 | wodz | bertrik: It has sd, so I will start with this |
| 00:01:33 | bertrik | wodz, cool |
| 00:01:57 | wodz | what do you mean by raw NAND interface? |
| 00:03:17 | bertrik | When you have to send commands to the NAND chip to erase big blocks, and do bookkeeping for wear levelling and bad sectors, error correction |
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| 00:04:14 | wodz | well, I don't know - nand controller is not covered in datasheet I found in internet for rk27xx |
| 00:04:26 | bertrik | all of the sandisk players I know, have some convenient controller to the NAND, that basically makes it appear as an SD card |
| 00:05:06 | wodz | FTL is in hardware? |
| 00:05:12 | bertrik | yes |
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| 01:09:05 | JdGordon1 | [Saint]: the fade code is in wps.c.. i think do_fade() or just fade() |
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| 01:10:50 | [Saint] | kugel: (logs) I think it would be quite cool if RaaA had a "Pause on Headphone Unplug" setting, it is a feature that I use often with my DAPs and I keep forgetting that RaaA doesn't have this feature and accidentally blasting myself with the internal speaker. |
| 01:11:09 | [Saint] | JdGordon1: Thankyou kindly Sir. |
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| 02:06:35 | pixelma | for a 240x320 version |
| 02:09:28 | pixelma | hmm, weird. Seems to work now, nevermind |
| 02:09:37 | [Saint] | 2.98MB |
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| 02:47:37 | [Saint] | I also wonder why every cabbie port seems to be a slightly different shade of yellow. |
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| 05:42:18 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8WQM-KVFwE <−−−− OOOO SNAP |
| 05:44:29 | [Saint] | Ummmm....topic? |
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| 06:46:57 | CIA-7 | New commit by jethead71 (r29205): AMSv2 USB: Remove usb_enable call that occurs after core is already initialized and the usb_disable call while in ISR. Also, no point in panicing over ... |
| 06:51:41 | CIA-7 | r29205 build result: All green |
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| 07:19:03 | [Saint] | wow.....why is RaaA compile so much faster now? |
| 07:19:19 | [Saint] | or...is my environment broken somehow? |
| 07:20:11 | [Saint] | the JAVAC stuff looks different, and it only took a couple of seconds to do, previously it took about a minute, what gives? |
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| 07:23:54 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: did something didn't he |
| 07:24:04 | jhMikeS | erm, just gevaerts |
| 07:26:35 | [Saint] | Aha...I see the commit now. |
| 07:26:45 | [Saint] | quite a big speed-up. |
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| 07:50:54 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Will a non touch target care about touch tags? specifically regarding the theme site? I would like to upload my touchscreen cabbie-clone. |
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| 08:01:36 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: they sholdnt |
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| 08:13:38 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Thanks |
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| 11:30:04 | sideral | pamaury: Re FS #11664 (AMSv2 USB): The bug with r29169 that I saw may not be a USB bug at all, just an SD driver bug introduced in this commit |
| 11:31:16 | pamaury | possible, but usb and sd shouldn't really interfere, except for the dma part perhaps |
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| 11:33:48 | sideral | well, USB slave mode uses the internal SD, and the host may exercise the SD such that the bug manifests only when the host is connected |
| 11:35:18 | sideral | there doesn't have to be any DMA interference |
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| 13:59:37 | sideral | I think gevaerts is right; it's just that the bug can only manifest when USB is enabled. pamaury, jhMikeS: Do you want me to split the issue out to a separate Flyspray task? |
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| 16:00:49 | * | Buschel slaps the m4a seek tables |
| 16:00:57 | * | Buschel slap the aac codec |
| 16:01:06 | Buschel | it's all a mess! |
| 16:01:08 | Buschel | :/ |
| 16:01:44 | Buschel | I tried to reduce the table size and had some good progress −− at least I thought |
| 16:02:07 | Buschel | but there is always another special file which breaks it :( |
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| 16:55:27 | foolsh | JdGordon: I need you to look at FS #11903 the last two links offer major info about the missing button releases on the trackpad/ball androids. I don't java so well but I think somehow the viewgroup is incorrect. |
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| 16:58:28 | foolsh | or maybe we use Callbacks and not Event Listeners or maybe it's the other way around. |
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| 17:02:03 | foolsh | JdGordon: the last patch there is at least a head start. By the way where were you the whole time I was down there digging up that nasty stuff? hmm? |
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| 17:05:47 | salty-horse | I'd like to comment here that I confirm this is no longer an issue, but the bug is closed: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9453 |
| 17:06:45 | Torne | then you don't need to comment |
| 17:08:58 | salty-horse | I think it's more of a "can't". I tested it for myself because the bug closer has a different device, and I wonder if others will also think that |
| 17:09:55 | Torne | Well, you can't either, no. but there's not really any need, it's already closed. the only person likely to ask to reopen it would be you, and you don't have a problem. |
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| 17:12:05 | salty-horse | Torne, okidey :) |
| 17:13:19 | Torne | it's intentional that people can't comment on closed bugs, anyway; if it was allowed then important comments might be lost since people rarely look at closed ones, and if it automatically reopened the bug when you did then that gets annoying in a hurry when some users maybe add non-helpful comments to closed bugs |
| 17:15:22 | salty-horse | I think it's worthwhile to keep allowing comments after the bug is closed. it doesn't mean the bug should be automatically reopened |
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| 17:16:59 | Torne | well, i disagree :) |
| 17:17:18 | Torne | if you allow that then eitehr comments are useful (but perhaps nobody reads them ever because the only people watching the bug aren't around any more) |
| 17:17:28 | Torne | or the comments aren'ty useful (in which case everyone watching the bug gets spammed) |
| 17:17:53 | Torne | neither of those outcomes are very satisfactory |
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| 17:21:21 | Quazgaa | so i installed the latest rockbox build on my x5l yesterday before i went into town |
| 17:21:32 | Quazgaa | and it turns out its all broken |
| 17:21:39 | Quazgaa | how is that even possible |
| 17:21:48 | Quazgaa | shit has always worked |
| 17:21:50 | Torne | er, well, this does occasionally happen :) |
| 17:22:05 | Torne | the current build is just whatever has been committed.. |
| 17:22:07 | Torne | what version is it? |
| 17:22:15 | Torne | and how did you install it? (manually or with rockbox utility?) |
| 17:22:27 | Torne | and what specifically is wrong? |
| 17:22:41 | Quazgaa | i think it was a 2/2 build |
| 17:22:47 | evilnick_B | Could it be that the zip wasn't extracted properly? |
| 17:22:59 | Quazgaa | i mount my dap |
| 17:23:09 | Quazgaa | and unzip the zip file which is just .rockbox/ |
| 17:23:13 | Quazgaa | so i didnt do anything wrong |
| 17:23:32 | Quazgaa | you cant change tracks |
| 17:23:36 | Quazgaa | fast forward rewind pause |
| 17:23:45 | Torne | what build is it exactly? |
| 17:23:50 | Quazgaa | the only way i could even figure out to change tracks |
| 17:23:56 | salty-horse | Torne, not convinced, but ok :P |
| 17:23:58 | Quazgaa | was to screw around with the playlist |
| 17:24:07 | Torne | is that all that's wrong? |
| 17:24:23 | Torne | because it sounds like you've accidentally turned the allow track skip setting off |
| 17:24:23 | Quazgaa | i guess |
| 17:24:35 | Quazgaa | i found that setting |
| 17:24:39 | Torne | which produces exactly that effect |
| 17:24:51 | Torne | or possibly the party mode setting? |
| 17:24:59 | Quazgaa | i dunno |
| 17:25:05 | Quazgaa | its been quite a while since i updated rockbox |
| 17:25:16 | Quazgaa | i figured maybe it was a discrepancy in the config or something |
| 17:25:42 | * | evilnick_B guesses at party mode too |
| 17:25:58 | Torne | well, it's possible a setting has been renamed or something |
| 17:26:00 | Torne | but I don't think so. |
| 17:26:04 | Torne | check if party mode is enabled. |
| 17:26:15 | Quazgaa | ok |
| 17:27:11 | Torne | if nothing else is wrong then it's almost certainly a bad setting, rather than a bad build |
| 17:27:30 | Quazgaa | i figured maybe rockbox converted to some playlist-only type approach |
| 17:27:42 | Quazgaa | which makes me think, well wtf is the point of even running rockbox any more then |
| 17:27:44 | Quazgaa | :p |
| 17:27:52 | Torne | that seems like a really stupid assumption |
| 17:28:11 | Torne | :) |
| 17:28:13 | Quazgaa | :| |
| 17:28:17 | Quazgaa | its the only way i could change tracks |
| 17:28:30 | Torne | yes, but if you can't *pause* that's obviously not intentional |
| 17:28:30 | Quazgaa | and its how every commercial firmware is set up |
| 17:28:33 | Quazgaa | so its not that stupid |
| 17:28:37 | Torne | or at least obviously not intentional by default |
| 17:28:50 | Torne | er, i've never seen an mp3 player firmware that doesn't let you pause/skip tracks |
| 17:29:16 | Torne | party mode is an intentional feature, of course, but it's off by default |
| 17:30:35 | Quazgaa | oh |
| 17:30:38 | Quazgaa | it was party mode |
| 17:30:43 | Torne | right. |
| 17:30:44 | Quazgaa | :O |
| 17:30:48 | Quazgaa | wtf is that |
| 17:30:52 | Quazgaa | and why is it enabled by default |
| 17:30:53 | Quazgaa | :P |
| 17:30:57 | Torne | it's not enabled by default. |
| 17:31:06 | Torne | and I don't think the setting name has ever changed |
| 17:31:09 | Torne | so you must've turned it on ;) |
| 17:31:13 | Quazgaa | nah |
| 17:31:14 | Torne | it's for, well, parties. |
| 17:31:21 | Quazgaa | hmm |
| 17:31:28 | Torne | you can add new tracks to the playlist, byut not pause/skip because that disrupts the music |
| 17:31:31 | Quazgaa | last time i used my dap was like 6 months ago |
| 17:31:47 | Quazgaa | maybe it inadvertently got turned on by the update |
| 17:31:48 | Quazgaa | ? |
| 17:31:55 | Torne | Updates don't touch your settings |
| 17:31:59 | Torne | the config file is not in the zip |
| 17:32:11 | Torne | the only way settings can change during an update is if the setting has been renamed, or the default changed, int he code. |
| 17:32:23 | Quazgaa | hrm |
| 17:32:33 | Torne | so I'm pretty sure you did it by accident |
| 17:32:39 | Torne | maybe 6 months ago :) |
| 17:32:56 | Torne | the party mdoe setting hasn't been touched since 2007 |
| 17:33:12 | Quazgaa | heh |
| 17:33:14 | Quazgaa | ok |
| 17:33:24 | Quazgaa | well i did get tanked with my friend |
| 17:33:26 | Quazgaa | 6 months ago |
| 17:33:30 | Torne | we try our best to never change users' settings without a good reason |
| 17:33:37 | Quazgaa | i bet he was screwing shit up |
| 17:33:48 | Torne | occasionally it's unavoidable when settings change frmo being on/off to multiple-choice, or similar |
| 17:33:59 | Torne | but almost always everything is untouched by updates. |
| 17:34:06 | Quazgaa | yeah |
| 17:34:09 | Quazgaa | thats what i would expect |
| 17:34:16 | Quazgaa | so i was all, WTF |
| 17:34:17 | Quazgaa | ;p |
| 17:34:28 | Torne | anywya, glad it's sorted :) |
| 17:35:19 | Quazgaa | :) |
| 17:35:21 | Quazgaa | thanks |
| 17:37:30 | salty-horse | can anyone explain what "usb-enabled bootloader" means? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=29062 |
| 17:37:46 | Torne | it means the bootloader has USB disk mode implemented in it |
| 17:37:55 | Torne | so you can get USB access even if the rockbox binary is broken/missing |
| 17:38:27 | Torne | some players have our USB disk mode compiled into them, some don't; that was adding it to soem more models |
| 17:38:54 | salty-horse | should I upgrade my bootloader for this? (Using sansa e200 for which this is a "new" feature) |
| 17:39:24 | Torne | There probably hasn't been a new bootloader binary released. |
| 17:39:33 | Torne | so, unless you're going to compile it from source there's probably no upgrade to be had |
| 17:39:54 | Torne | We don't release bootloaders automatically the way the actual build is updated, someone actually has to do it and push them out |
| 17:39:58 | salty-horse | oh, I can compile easily, I'm just wondering if it's worth it |
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| 17:40:24 | Torne | well, does the e200 have a way to get access to the disk if rockbox is screwed? e.g. by booting the OF? |
| 17:40:30 | Torne | if so then I'd say it's not worth it ;) |
| 17:42:00 | salty-horse | it does. ok :) |
| 17:43:00 | * | Quazgaa listens to rancid on his dap |
| 17:43:05 | Quazgaa | this cd is so great |
| 17:44:30 | Torne | salty-horse: it's primarily relevant for players where there's no other way to recover, but it was generally already enabled on those. It got enabled on more models mostly because we can, i think, rather than because it's *needed* |
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| 19:32:58 | kugel | thomasjfox: hey |
| 19:33:13 | thomasjfox | hey kugel |
| 19:33:31 | thomasjfox | I'm leaving for food now, will be back in 30 min |
| 19:34:01 | thomasjfox | will you be there later on? |
| 19:34:15 | kugel | sure |
| 19:34:19 | thomasjfox | :) |
| 19:36:16 | alemaxx | hi ppl, do you know the rockboxer nicknamed wodz will join us here this evening? |
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| 20:24:23 | thomasjfox | hey kugel. I should go for food more often ;) |
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| 20:29:30 | AlexP | thomasjfox: congrats :) |
| 20:30:12 | thomasjfox | thanks. I feel honored. |
| 20:30:25 | AlexP | That seems excessive :) |
| 20:30:42 | AlexP | I mean, look at some of the other people let in :) |
| 20:30:47 | thomasjfox | :o) |
| 20:30:59 | AlexP | (I inlcude myself in that insult) :) |
| 20:31:14 | thomasjfox | Finally I understand what those "fix red" commit messages are |
| 20:31:30 | AlexP | We fight communism whenever we can |
| 20:31:47 | thomasjfox | There was also fix yellow... |
| 20:31:57 | AlexP | liver disease |
| 20:32:26 | thomasjfox | anyway, I need to write zagor, my new wiki account is still lost somewhere |
| 20:32:50 | AlexP | the wiki has been screwy with registrations for a while |
| 20:33:09 | thomasjfox | Now I need to take a close look at "git svn" and kugel is no more to blame if something goes wrong |
| 20:33:20 | AlexP | git svn works well I find |
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| 20:33:37 | AlexP | just do git stuff as normal, then git svn dcommit to commit |
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| 20:33:56 | thomasjfox | Just need to familiarize myself with the syntax of dcommit and others |
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| 20:36:15 | thomasjfox | AlexP: Regarding the wiki, it completly lost my registration email |
| 20:36:36 | bluebrother | does the wiki require registration mails these days? |
| 20:36:48 | AlexP | confirmation ones, yeah |
| 20:36:54 | AlexP | and it isn't sending them |
| 20:37:09 | AlexP | Or not always |
| 20:37:24 | AlexP | So we've had quite a lot of people unable to register |
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| 20:38:18 | bluebrother | hmm. Does requiring these confirmation mails have a positive effect (assuming it does work)? I can't remember getting one when I registered ... but that's years ago already :) |
| 20:38:20 | pixelma | kugel: is there a way to change the included default cabiev2 on android? I thought that on other targets it's just the dafault selection with all needed files being in .rockbox/wps (in contrast to the failsafe one) |
| 20:38:36 | pixelma | hmm, maybe a case of needing to root the phone :/ |
| 20:40:03 | pixelma | so, I guess I have to work on a port of my own theme, thought I could get away with some slight modifications as a start |
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| 20:40:50 | pixelma | or copy the version of cabbiev2 to the card and chose that |
| 20:41:43 | alemaxx | I have a question: does rockbox have a good flash filesystem with wearl-evelling etc.? |
| 20:41:48 | AlexP | no |
| 20:42:22 | alemaxx | okay, thanks for the answer |
| 20:42:29 | kugel | thomasjfox: o/ |
| 20:43:01 | kugel | pixelma: you can do it without root with a trick, but there's no direct way to access them |
| 20:43:06 | kugel | (yet) |
| 20:43:36 | kugel | you can set the start folder setting to /data/data/org.rockbox, then you can browse rockbox' folder on the internal storage (and copy the themes) |
| 20:43:49 | thomasjfox | kugel: Just sent an email to zagor |
| 20:45:12 | pixelma | kugel: ok, thanks. I'd like to get rid of the backdrop in the WPS too which means editing the .wps though |
| 20:46:01 | thomasjfox | kugel: What should we do about the maemo patch? I don't know how long the account creation normally takes |
| 20:46:44 | pixelma | thomasjfox: Zagor is at fosdem this weekend, so it may take a while |
| 20:48:27 | thomasjfox | pixelma: ok, I guessed something like this. After all, it's the weekend. |
| 20:48:51 | kugel | thomasjfox: I suggest patience until zagor does his job :) |
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| 20:49:59 | thomasjfox | Well, I hope my first commit won't be part of controversy ;) |
| 20:50:50 | AlexP | Traditionally it is adding yourself to COMMITTERS |
| 20:50:55 | AlexP | So hopefully not :) |
| 20:50:58 | kugel | I'm certain the very first commit will be entirely non-controversial :) |
| 20:51:20 | thomasjfox | Sounds like a plan! |
| 20:51:51 | pixelma | well, I guess preparing commit access would take the same while |
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| 20:52:38 | pixelma | as I believe it needs setting up the login by Bagder who is at fosdem too |
| 20:54:25 | linuxstb | Is there anywhere with info on the maemo port apart from FS #11868? |
| 20:54:32 | * | linuxstb just got an n900 |
| 20:55:28 | * | pixelma points to thomasjfox... good timing linuxstb ;) |
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| 20:59:33 | linuxstb | pixelma: You were saying? ;) |
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| 21:03:26 | thomasjfox | pixelma: The moment you pointed at me, X11 froze again :o) |
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| 21:03:53 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The maemo specific information is summarized here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rockbox |
| 21:06:26 | thomasjfox | kugel: Any plans to push the ucontext branch to svn? |
| 21:06:46 | kugel | Plans yea |
| 21:07:28 | kugel | hopefully on this weekend |
| 21:07:35 | thomasjfox | nice one |
| 21:08:15 | thomasjfox | IIRC SDL_THREADS mode needs fixing |
| 21:10:18 | kugel | what's broken? |
| 21:11:32 | thomasjfox | I think it didn't compile the last time I tried |
| 21:11:40 | thomasjfox | I'll fire up the devel vm |
| 21:12:02 | thomasjfox | could also be related to the maemo stuff in there |
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| 21:18:27 | alemaxx | hey wodz!!! |
| 21:18:39 | wodz | hello :-) |
| 21:18:54 | alemaxx | Ive been waiting for you :-) |
| 21:19:03 | wodz | alemaxx: thank you. |
| 21:19:28 | alemaxx | wodz: thank you for the invitation! |
| 21:19:40 | wodz | alemaxx: I would like to ask you about bootrom - the dump from your site doesn't make much sense to me. |
| 21:19:50 | alemaxx | why? |
| 21:20:02 | thomasjfox | kugel: firmware/target/hosted/sdl/kernel-sdl.c:165: error: 'do_exit' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:20:26 | alemaxx | wodz, Ill have a look |
| 21:20:54 | wodz | 1) it is 32kB while I believe rk27xx has 8kB bootrom 2) standard arm code starts from vectors |
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| 21:23:12 | alemaxx | its mirrored |
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| 21:25:39 | alemaxx | but you may be right that this isnt the rom but the bootloader |
| 21:26:02 | wodz | alemaxx: how did you get this? |
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| 21:26:32 | alemaxx | I dumped it via serial, its at offset 0x180ec000 |
| 21:28:36 | wodz | alemaxx: that is not bootrom than but nor bootloader and moreover this is raw dump so it should be filtered by FTL |
| 21:28:46 | alemaxx | I have a commented idb on some other harddrive, I could fetch it if you really need it |
| 21:29:08 | alemaxx | or nand bootloader, yes |
| 21:29:27 | alemaxx | which is normally encoded/ the bootrom expects it to be encoded |
| 21:30:12 | alemaxx | and these 0x55 0xaa at the beginning are some magic values checked by the rom |
| 21:30:12 | wodz | hmm I didn't tried to pass it through this stupid xoring |
| 21:30:56 | alemaxx | the rk27xxboot.rom.bz2 is actually already decoded and its from nand |
| 21:32:51 | wodz | alemaxx: do you have serial mod attached to your DAP? |
| 21:33:02 | alemaxx | anyway, the rk27load tool already exploits the bootrom functionality and allows the uploading of code via usb |
| 21:33:08 | alemaxx | wodz, yes |
| 21:33:34 | alemaxx | but as I mentioned (I think) currently both devices I own are not working |
| 21:33:47 | wodz | alemaxx: It would be great to dump bootrom itself actually. |
| 21:33:57 | alemaxx | I have |
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| 21:34:28 | alemaxx | just hooked up the external disk on which it should be |
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| 21:35:08 | wodz | I would love to see what bootrom checks to decide if it should activate DFU or not |
| 21:35:38 | alemaxx | so DFU - device firmware update? |
| 21:37:07 | wodz | well, you can pass scsi command in firmware layer which triggers direct jump to bootrom with caches turned off. But my device usually comes back to msc which means that bootrom decides that it should not enter DFU mode |
| 21:37:36 | alemaxx | okay |
| 21:38:28 | wodz | when I erased by accident ROCKUSER partition table the device entered DFU just fine |
| 21:39:06 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Nice work - I'm playing with it now. Is it just me, or is the audio quality quite poor on the n900? |
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| 21:39:37 | wodz | I think SETUP.RKW has something to do with this |
| 21:39:47 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: You mean the built in speakers? It depends on the volume level |
| 21:40:07 | alemaxx | wodz, alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/bootrom.tar.bz2">http://alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/bootrom.tar.bz2 |
| 21:40:26 | thomasjfox | At a certain level, "speaker" protection code kicks in and those heavy filtering (and increases the pulseaudio CPU usage by 5-7 percent) |
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| 21:40:50 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: No, with earphones. |
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| 21:41:42 | alemaxx | wodz, bad taring though, sorry |
| 21:42:03 | wodz | alemaxx: is mirrored as well? |
| 21:42:16 | wodz | I mean 4 times the same bin image? |
| 21:42:19 | alemaxx | just loaded it into ida, thats the bootrom and with comments in the idb |
| 21:42:29 | alemaxx | wodz, maybe |
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| 21:42:39 | alemaxx | but its only 8k i think |
| 21:43:06 | alemaxx | yes, IDA shows 4 times the same 8k |
| 21:43:28 | wodz | alemaxx: I can't open idb - it complains about pirate version :-) |
| 21:43:29 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Sounds ok to me. Though I'm probably not the best person to ask such questions ;) |
| 21:43:29 | alemaxx | just a matter of address decoding I guess |
| 21:43:55 | alemaxx | wodz, then load the .bin, no comments though |
| 21:44:25 | alemaxx | arch: arm (obviously) addr: 0 |
| 21:45:34 | wodz | alemaxx: yes this file makes sense to me - thank you once more |
| 21:45:56 | alemaxx | np |
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| 21:46:48 | wodz | this will take me some time to study this :P |
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| 21:47:12 | alemaxx | Im uploading a html export of my idb |
| 21:47:36 | wodz | alemaxx: do you know how 'big' .RKW file is structured? I mean RKRS and RKST sections |
| 21:47:47 | alemaxx | alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/tmp/rom8k_2.html">http://alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/tmp/rom8k_2.html |
| 21:48:15 | wodz | I know there is a tool floating around to unpack such RKW but couldn't find any sources or documentation about it |
| 21:48:15 | alemaxx | wodz, yes. have a look at the rkwpatch.c |
| 21:48:31 | alemaxx | ohh, you mean these firmware archieves |
| 21:48:36 | wodz | yes |
| 21:48:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:48:41 | * | linuxstb thinks RaaA desperately needs to use native list widgets |
| 21:48:54 | alemaxx | about 2 years ago or something I wrote an unpacker |
| 21:49:21 | alemaxx | but i dont know where I have the code |
| 21:49:32 | alemaxx | anyway, its of minor interest I think |
| 21:49:50 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Try to call your phone while rockbox is playing |
| 21:50:11 | alemaxx | my advice would be: kill your device (erase the nand bootloader) |
| 21:50:23 | wodz | alemaxx: yes - I am interested 'just for completness' |
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| 21:51:58 | alemaxx | wodz, you have probably a good knowledge of the rockbox source. does it have its own "nand loader" |
| 21:52:22 | alemaxx | or do you just copy a big bin onto the flash? |
| 21:52:49 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: I will do later - babies are sleeping now, so I'll need to go outside... |
| 21:53:58 | * | linuxstb wonders if the play/pause icons on the touchscreen cabbie should be reversed - i.e. if it should show the pause icon whilst playing, and the play icon when paused. |
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| 21:54:56 | alemaxx | wodz, btw, an uart interface is extremely important. the pins are multiplxed with the lcd signals so yu cant use both at the same time but depending on how your display is connected you may have some good solder points |
| 21:55:12 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: amarok (my desktop player) does it the same way it is now |
| 21:55:52 | thomasjfox | Though there is definately something wrong with the theme, it shows the context menu when you press prev/next track |
| 21:56:11 | linuxstb | Is this an already-existing theme, or did you adapt it for the n900? |
| 21:56:19 | thomasjfox | kugel adapted it |
| 21:56:30 | wodz | alemaxx: It is usually up to the port developer. One strategy is to patch original bootloader to do jump into custom code (we do this on some coldfires and PP ipods I think), other strategy is to overwrite original bootloader altogether (this how iloadr works I belive) |
| 21:56:35 | thomasjfox | there was no theme for 800x480 yet |
| 21:56:47 | thomasjfox | kugel ported his 480x800 theme |
| 21:57:14 | thomasjfox | [Saint] did take a look about the issue but didn't find it either |
| 21:57:42 | wodz | alemaxx: rockbox image is usually loaded from fat |
| 21:58:04 | alemaxx | okay, I started a u-boot port |
| 21:58:45 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: What do you think about keeping the native maemo status bar along the top? |
| 21:58:58 | alemaxx | actually the only thing I did so far is setting up a new device and adding an uart |
| 21:59:15 | thomasjfox | that's something i wanted to check out, too. Depends on how much pixels it sucks up |
| 21:59:32 | thomasjfox | it would definately make closing the application easier :) |
| 21:59:39 | bluebrother | the only bootloader I'm aware of that completely replaces the OF bootloader is the Iaudio devices. iloader is not a Rockbox bootloader :) |
| 21:59:40 | alemaxx | wodz, I wouldnt suggest to keep the bootloader |
| 21:59:56 | alemaxx | thats way more complicated in my opinion |
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| 22:00:05 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Best thing would be a switcher between windowed and fullscreen mode like in other applications |
| 22:00:21 | wodz | alemaxx: sure it is much easier to patch RKW |
| 22:01:16 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Maybe. Although I think I would be happy if only windowed mode was available. |
| 22:01:38 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Do you have a scratchbox installation? |
| 22:01:49 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: I don't even know what that is... |
| 22:02:04 | thomasjfox | It's the devel system for maemo :) |
| 22:02:05 | alemaxx | wodz, you would need to deal with their filesystem code also |
| 22:02:27 | thomasjfox | There's a preconfigured ubuntu VM on the net. That's the one I'm using for development |
| 22:02:53 | alemaxx | and its totally annoying to copy a new base.rkw onto your device just to test some code. believe me, I did that |
| 22:03:01 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: I've only had the n900 a couple of days, and know nothing about maemo... I do have this page open though - http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 22:03:48 | * | linuxstb got stuck at the "Download version for: GUI installer(), Scratchbox installer(), SDK installer()" question... |
| 22:04:01 | wodz | alemaxx: that's why I want to explode DFU mode during development |
| 22:05:22 | wodz | alemaxx: Do you know the purpose of the 4th image stored in Rock27Boot.bin? 1st is sdram config, 2nd is some usb loader, 3rd is bootloader I believe and 4th? |
| 22:05:38 | alemaxx | no |
| 22:06:05 | alemaxx | have you decoded the boot.bin? |
| 22:06:07 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: To answer your question - no I don't have the SDK installed, but plan to... |
| 22:06:30 | wodz | alemaxx, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/Rockchip27xx/rkboottool.c |
| 22:06:36 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: I use the "desktop SDK" image from here: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 22:07:32 | alemaxx | wodz, your code? |
| 22:08:20 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: You could try a "raw" scratchbox installation if you are running debian/ubuntu on your workstation |
| 22:08:33 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Yes, I run Debian natively, so will try that. |
| 22:08:34 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The VM is nice if something goes really wrong, you can easily reset it |
| 22:09:04 | CIA-7 | New commit by bluebrother (r29206): systrace: convert input strings using local codepage. ... |
| 22:10:41 | wodz | alemaxx: If you ask about rkboottool.c than yes - I wrote it. But I borrowed xor decoding from your rk27load.c :-) |
| 22:11:41 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Going back to the play/pause icons - the BBC iplayer as an example does it the opposite way to Rockbox. And I'm sure other video players I've seen do it that way round as well. i.e. the icon says what the action is when pressed, not what the current playback state is. But I'm assuming this is not n900 specific. |
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| 22:12:06 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Let me see what the stock player does |
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| 22:12:51 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: It does it the way you proposed it |
| 22:13:14 | thomasjfox | As you said, this is more of a rockbox wide thing I guess |
| 22:13:48 | * | linuxstb has no idea who wrote this originally... |
| 22:14:11 | CIA-7 | r29206 build result: 1277 errors, 483 warnings (bluebrother committed) |
| 22:14:25 | bluebrother | wtf ...? |
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| 22:14:52 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: What are your plans for the port? Are you going to do much more work on it? |
| 22:15:43 | bluebrother | and the build system just says "Build failure". Looks like a build client is acting up |
| 22:15:50 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Current plans are to fix the shutdown handling so most of the "known issues" in the wiki will be gone |
| 22:16:04 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Pushing the changes upstream is also a priority :) |
| 22:16:41 | thomasjfox | On the lower priority list is to create a pulseaudio backend, so the n8xx and n900 version share a common audio backend |
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| 22:17:54 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Also I want to do a new release once kugel's ucontext code is upstream. That will save about 10% to 12% percent CPU |
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| 22:27:37 | bluebrother | hmm, looks like there is currently no way to retrieve the TTS vendor in Rockbox Utility |
| 22:29:40 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: What's "ucontext" ? |
| 22:31:26 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: kugel developed a new thread engine for RaaA using sigaltstack(2) |
| 22:31:28 | alemaxx | wodz, what about the zsp500? |
| 22:31:52 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The current SDL implementation is a resource hog... |
| 22:32:03 | linuxstb | Ah, RaaA is still using SDL threads? |
| 22:32:10 | alemaxx | do you probably plan to do a gcc port in order to write faster codecs for the rj27 rockbox? |
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| 22:32:54 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Yes. kugel made that switchable between sigaltstack, assembler threads and SDL threads |
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| 22:34:02 | wodz | alemaxx: First I want to have something running on ARM core as it is easier. Then in longer perspective I would like to add support for zsp to binutils. As for compiler this will be HUGE work |
| 22:34:22 | alemaxx | indeed |
| 22:34:41 | alemaxx | I have a windows version of the binutils but as crashes in wine |
| 22:34:55 | alemaxx | like "as" the assembler |
| 22:35:36 | wodz | alemaxx: from the rk26xx SDK ? :-) |
| 22:35:46 | alemaxx | I have another device which contains a ceva-x1620/MM2000 |
| 22:35:49 | alemaxx | wodz, no |
| 22:35:54 | alemaxx | not from the sdk |
| 22:36:25 | wodz | rk26xx sdk contains binutils and gcc port for zsp400 |
| 22:36:26 | alemaxx | you may already have seen this: alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/jpg.s">http://alemaxx.al.funpic.de/rk27/jpg.s |
| 22:36:44 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Have you thought about how to release Rockbox? As I'm sure you know, we make "current" and "daily" builds available on the website. Could we for example host our own repository and update it (automatically) with those? |
| 22:36:45 | alemaxx | yes, I have zsp500 versions |
| 22:37:17 | alemaxx | these were part of some debugger I downloaded somewhere |
| 22:37:43 | alemaxx | wodz, you have any ceva tools? :-) |
| 22:37:50 | wodz | no |
| 22:38:00 | alemaxx | im under the impression that they are very hard to get |
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| 22:38:40 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Good question. As the n900 uses normal apt stuff for the packages, it should be possible. The hard part would be to get scratchbox + all the dependencies up and running on the build box |
| 22:38:51 | alemaxx | already tried to hack this trace32 program which contains a disassemler but I was only medium successful |
| 22:39:25 | wodz | I applied for evaluation version of sdk tools for zsp DSP but they wanted me to sign NDA even before deciding if I will get the tools |
| 22:39:48 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: We should still do stable releases on maemo.org as it reaches more people by this way |
| 22:40:18 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: We have many build boxes... And yes, stable releases should of course be on maemo.org |
| 22:41:36 | alemaxx | was this zsp dsp bought by mips? |
| 22:41:43 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: It should be possible to automate the build process. I mean, I just upload the tarball to maemo.org and it get's build and signed there |
| 22:42:06 | AlexP | android could do with being in the build system too |
| 22:42:16 | linuxstb | Signed? Is that something we can't do ourselves? |
| 22:42:37 | thomasjfox | it doesn't have to be signed |
| 22:42:39 | alemaxx | wodz, I think the rk28s do also use a ceva dsp |
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| 22:43:13 | wodz | alemaxx: I was talking with some VLSI representative from France |
| 22:43:30 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: That seems a bit odd - you can just upload a tarball (containing anything?) and it will be signed, but you can't sign things yourself? |
| 22:43:31 | alemaxx | okay |
| 22:43:54 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The built binary package will be signed |
| 22:44:01 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Let me look up the details on that |
| 22:44:56 | wodz | alemaxx: btw they were interested in selling IP cores only. |
| 22:45:47 | alemaxx | how much is it? ;-) |
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| 22:46:44 | alemaxx | I think i saw ARM cores on pudn, not sure though |
| 22:47:02 | wodz | They say their dsp ip core is competitive in terms of power/price ratio :-) |
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| 22:48:13 | alemaxx | a very conservative statement |
| 22:49:02 | alemaxx | I would expect something "like best in class mips/mw performance" from a marketing guy |
| 22:49:44 | wodz | this guy was speaking french-english dialect so he did what he could :P |
| 22:50:04 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: I don't find it right now. I guess I read something in the build log which you get after an upload to maemo.org's build system. |
| 22:51:03 | kugel | thomasjfox: could we set something up that people add to their sources.list? |
| 22:51:45 | thomasjfox | kugel: Yes. We could then just "debsign" the package and provide the key |
| 22:52:27 | alemaxx | wodz, do you have some more questions? |
| 22:52:54 | wodz | alemaxx: not for now, thanks. I have to study this bootrom code a bit. |
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| 22:53:33 | alemaxx | wodz, okay, Ill leave now, you can contact me if you have some more questions |
| 22:53:43 | wodz | ok, thanks |
| 22:53:57 | alemaxx | good luck and I hope I can install a rockbox soon ;-) |
| 22:54:01 | alemaxx | okay, bye |
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| 22:56:32 | linuxstb | kugel: Is there a reason the "Application" port is just one menu option in configure with a follow-up question, and not a list of targets? |
| 22:57:11 | kugel | no |
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| 23:09:15 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Looking at your patch, this is actually two ports - maemo4 and maemo5, and you decide which one to build based on which SDK you find installed? |
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| 23:10:14 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: scratchbox contains both targets. You select the active target in "sb-menu". |
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| 23:11:12 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: scratchbox then updates the gcc and library symlinks |
| 23:11:17 | linuxstb | Why not let the user choose which he/she wants to build, and then check if the correct SDK is installed/active? This would be more in line with other Rockbox targets. |
| 23:12:08 | linuxstb | And you seem to be specifically targetting the N8xx and N900 - are there any other maemo devices? |
| 23:12:27 | thomasjfox | No that I know of :) |
| 23:12:50 | thomasjfox | They started to port maemo to the BeagleBoard. That is still -very- alpha if not unusable |
| 23:13:38 | linuxstb | It seems a bit confusing - i.e. is this a meamo5 port, or an n900 port? I guess this is more a general question about RaaA, and what targets should be listed in the "tools/configure" menu. |
| 23:14:56 | linuxstb | The code in tools/configure is enabling optimisations for the CPUs in the n900/n8xx, so it would seem to be a port to those devices. |
| 23:15:06 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The question will get more interesting once there's a MeeGo port |
| 23:15:20 | thomasjfox | That will run on different devices from different manufacturers |
| 23:15:22 | linuxstb | Do you have to manually enter the LCD size when running configure? |
| 23:15:35 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Well, I guess it's already an issue for Android... |
| 23:16:28 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: I'm currently playing around with the OpenPandora SDK. Just didn't get to start the compiler yet as I'm on IRC :o) |
| 23:16:47 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: So the pandora might be the next target... |
| 23:17:07 | linuxstb | No, don't get distracted with that thing.... ;) |
| 23:18:29 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: It will share most of the code with the maemo port. Same display size and it would also need the pulseaudio backend |
| 23:19:28 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Though this is just playing around instead of a full port intention ;) |
| 23:20:46 | amiconn | linuxstb: Imo n900 audio quality is quite decent (through headphones). Some of the newer dedicated daps are worse... |
| 23:21:02 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Do you know much about meego? Would that be similar to the maemo port? (I'm waiting on an mmc card to be delivered so I can try it on my n900) |
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| 23:22:00 | amiconn | thomasjfox: Good work on maemo rockbox. It seems to work well, apart from occasional short freezes |
| 23:22:17 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: No, I don't have a mmc card yet... I just know "libplayback" is now called "libresource". That's the one responsible for audio playback while the silent profile is active. |
| 23:22:22 | amiconn | And the wps is not really usable, but that's not your fault... |
| 23:22:37 | thomasjfox | amiconn: Thanks. How often do those "freezes" happen? |
| 23:22:59 | amiconn | Hmm, happened twice for me while playing a complete album |
| 23:23:34 | thomasjfox | Do you have a lot of tasks running in the background like checking for email? |
| 23:24:02 | amiconn | Maybe it was that. I've set it to check for email every 30 minutes (on wlan only) |
| 23:24:28 | * | amiconn did some tweaking since, maybe the issue is gone now |
| 23:24:39 | thomasjfox | amiconn: I thought about increasing the audio buffer size. May be it's too short |
| 23:25:06 | thomasjfox | amiconn: We should retry once kugel's new thread code is active |
| 23:26:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have an opinion on the play/pause icon in that wps? (discussed here earlier) |
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| 23:27:29 | amiconn | Yes. Imo it should show the action triggered when tapping it, i.e. the opposite of what it does now |
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| 23:28:09 | amiconn | I don't know whether this is a rockbox wide issue - the n900 is my only touchscreen target, and on other targets I don't use cabbie |
| 23:28:38 | linuxstb | Yes, this is the first time I've tried touchscreen Rockbox as well. |
| 23:28:40 | amiconn | On non-touchscreen it should probably stay like it is now, because it's a status indicator, not a button |
| 23:28:53 | thomasjfox | amiconn: The simulator build of another touch screen device might know |
| 23:30:26 | bluebrother | can I use more than 9 backreferences in Perl? |
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| 23:31:36 | thomasjfox | bluebrother: Not that I know of. You can disable the match of () if it's just used for grouping |
| 23:32:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: What about the built-in maemo statusbar? I think I would prefer Rockbox to always show that instead of its own. |
| 23:33:02 | amiconn | If it would work... |
| 23:33:06 | bluebrother | thomasjfox: ok. That makes things a bit easier here |
| 23:33:20 | amiconn | Rockbox doesn't support variable screen resolution - but that would be required here |
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| 23:34:35 | * | amiconn doesn't care much, because he doesn't actually use rockbox on the n900 |
| 23:34:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: I was thinking of it being fixed at 800x(480-statusbar_height) - i.e. the maemo statusbar would always be there. |
| 23:34:43 | amiconn | Just for testing |
| 23:34:48 | thomasjfox | We could have a theme that's just 800x465 or something and have a button to switch between fullscren and windowed mode like in other maemo applications |
| 23:35:12 | amiconn | Is it possible to programmatically switch to the app chooser? |
| 23:35:33 | thomasjfox | We could simulate a CTRL+BACKSPACE input :o) |
| 23:35:33 | amiconn | If so, we could have our own button for this |
| 23:35:51 | amiconn | Touch button, to be precise |
| 23:36:17 | amiconn | Could even be in an .sbs |
| 23:36:36 | * | amiconn thinks one of the most important things is a bigger font |
| 23:36:53 | thomasjfox | amiconn: Hmm, no dbus event for the app switcher |
| 23:37:54 | thomasjfox | amiconn: Try to set the font to 35-something -again- |
| 23:38:17 | thomasjfox | One user reported the font changed after doing this?? |
| 23:40:21 | amiconn | SOmething -48 would be better, imo |
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| 23:41:11 | amiconn | Maybe 35 is okay too, but then the top line (in menus etc) needs to be moved down (e.g. by having a custom status bar) |
| 23:41:13 | thomasjfox | I tried a -50 and it look way to ugly without AA :o) |
| 23:41:29 | amiconn | Touching the top line is rather tricky atm |
| 23:42:04 | * | amiconn can't stand AA (except subpixel aa on hires tft monitors) |
| 23:44:45 | * | amiconn wonders why some umlauts are broken |
| 23:44:57 | amiconn | 'ä' is okay, 'ü' and 'ß' are broken |
| 23:45:55 | amiconn | 'ö' is okay too |
| 23:46:59 | thomasjfox | amiconn: ü is fine in the settings menu |
| 23:47:01 | amiconn | Ah, 35-Nimbus is broken |
| 23:47:13 | amiconn | It's missing the respective characters |
| 23:48:15 | * | amiconn wonders whether voice works |
| 23:48:33 | * | amiconn also wonders whether it would be possible to add keyboard navigation |
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| 23:51:08 | thomasjfox | Keyboard navigation is the way I use it... |
| 23:51:26 | amiconn | bluebrother: From http://www.ryerson.ca/perl/manual/pod/perlre.html : "You may have as many parentheses as you wish. If you have more than 9 substrings, the variables $10, $11, ... refer to the corresponding substring." |
| 23:52:48 | amiconn | thomasjfox: Eh, somehow I missed that it's already working... |
| 23:53:26 | * | linuxstb too ;) |
| 23:53:30 | thomasjfox | :) |
| 23:53:48 | linuxstb | Also, how is navigation supposed to work? e.g. how to return to the WPS from the file browser? Or go from the WPS to the main menu? Are keys mapped to that? |
| 23:53:49 | thomasjfox | The touchscreen mode needs improvement, I think it's currently way too precise to click something |
| 23:54:10 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: You have to go throught the file browser currently and work your way up |
| 23:54:21 | thomasjfox | kugel fixed that for the android target IIRC |
| 23:54:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: Iiuc the wps is supposed to show an item in it's "touch context menu" that goes to the menu |
| 23:55:08 | amiconn | It's currently broken, probably because of overlapping viewports |
| 23:55:52 | amiconn | The wps is a quick and dirty adaptation. It's in need of some work |
| 23:56:08 | amiconn | The boot logo is also still missing the proper resolution, btw |
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