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| 01:13:54 | sideral | Saint, TheSeven, jhMikeS: I now also encountered the strange random skips after fast-forward/fast-rewind/track skipping myself. They are most definitely a bug, and not related to the autoresume feature. |
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| 01:14:43 | TheSeven | sounds like something we should catch before the release |
| 01:14:56 | sideral | This was with r29280 |
| 01:16:04 | sideral | definitely |
| 01:16:34 | sideral | Still guess that jhMikeS' buffering rework has introduced this |
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| 01:33:48 | sideral | This problem wasn't present in my previous integration build, which I believe I did on Feb 9. There were numerous buffering-related commits since then, including jhMikeS' general fixes, and kugel's embedded album art and RaaA-related stuff. I believe r29258 was still good. Time permitting, I'll start bisecting there. |
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| 01:52:42 | daweefolk | hey |
| 01:53:10 | daweefolk | i was playing one of the games (don't recall which one) and i got a *panic* on my ipod 4th gen |
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| 01:54:17 | daweefolk | is there a way to shut it off, because i don't think it's responding to any button presses |
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| 01:56:16 | GeekShad0w | heya |
| 01:56:33 | GeekShad0w | I was wondering if there is any decent firmware alternative for the nano 3G |
| 01:56:57 | GeekShad0w | i'm looking at iloader |
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| 02:03:46 | TheSeven | daweefolk: hold menu+select for 5 seconds |
| 02:03:55 | TheSeven | GeekShad0w: not yet |
| 02:04:48 | daweefolk | TheSeven: thanks |
| 02:05:29 | GeekShad0w | TheSeven, if I understand when iLoader will work on 3G we will be able to run rockbox ? |
| 02:05:35 | GeekShad0w | *nano 3G |
| 02:06:34 | daweefolk | ok now i rebooted it and it told me it can't load rockbox.ipod. do I need to reinstall it? |
| 02:09:34 | saratoga | check the file system for errors first |
| 02:09:50 | jhMikeS | TheSeven: if there is a threads are on the run list, it executes them until the run list in NULL again |
| 02:10:30 | TheSeven | GeekShad0w: wrong |
| 02:11:07 | TheSeven | jhMikeS: but does it do that only if a tick timer IRQ happens, or after any IRQ? |
| 02:11:15 | TheSeven | (assuming it was asleep while the IRQ came in) |
| 02:11:58 | jhMikeS | sideral: after any ISR that wakes a thread, without delay if implemented by the target properly |
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| 02:13:08 | jhMikeS | it will check the run list after the core is woken for whatever reason |
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| 02:16:27 | TheSeven | ok |
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| 03:53:38 | [Saint] | daweefolk: refusing to find rockbox.ipod after a menu+select reset (or about 1 out of 4 times on a normal boot) seems to be an iPos 4G thing. My iPod Colors do it regularly, more often than not all that is needed is another reset. |
| 03:53:53 | [Saint] | (which is fine if it's not acessing the disk at the time) |
| 03:54:03 | [Saint] | s/fine/ok/ |
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| 04:07:42 | Strife89 | [Saint]: It has happened on my Video a couple of times. |
| 04:09:02 | [Saint] | Strife89: Indeed, I suspect it is some genral intermittant fail...but it seems to hit my 4Gs pretty hard, I've heard of Video owners with this also, but have no experience in it to be able to post rough numbers. |
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| 04:09:36 | Strife89 | [Saint]: It's only happened twice or thrice on my Video |
| 04:09:52 | Strife89 | [Saint]: I knew firsthand about the 4GPod problem. ;) |
| 04:09:59 | [Saint] | Ah, 1-out-of4~5 times on my Colors ;) |
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| 04:49:49 | alexbobP | why did they have to stop making a good player and replace it with a crap one? |
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| 05:55:24 | daweefolk | ok I moved a bunch of songs to my rockbox'd ipod and every time i go to initialize the database it gets to 2031 and then hangs indefinitely. what could be the problem? |
| 05:56:27 | [Saint] | tags, largew embedded art, excessive comments, you name it. |
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| 05:56:34 | [Saint] | *large |
| 05:57:20 | daweefolk | should i try moving only a few songs over then initialize? just to see if THAT works at least? |
| 05:58:04 | [Saint] | you could try, it depends if it's hanging at the scanning or initialzing stage. |
| 05:58:21 | daweefolk | well it says 'building' |
| 05:58:55 | [Saint] | you couls try enabling metadata logging in the debug screen if you're running a current build. |
| 05:59:09 | [Saint] | that may pinpoint the file(s) it's hanging on. |
| 05:59:12 | [Saint] | *could |
| 05:59:28 | [Saint] | system - debug - metadata log |
| 05:59:52 | [Saint] | (enable it and try building again, then investigate the log at the root of the device) |
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| 06:00:52 | daweefolk | I don't have the metadata log option in my debug menu |
| 06:01:07 | [Saint] | then you're not running a current build. |
| 06:01:28 | [Saint] | (or an even remotely current one) |
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| 06:20:52 | daweefolk | Saint I just downloaded it today |
| 06:21:16 | [Saint] | daweefolk: when you say "it", you mean 3.7.1 though, don't you. |
| 06:21:35 | daweefolk | yes i believe so |
| 06:21:36 | [Saint] | if you have current svn head, it will be there. |
| 06:21:46 | saratoga | that build is from october I think |
| 06:21:56 | saratoga | update to something from this year and it should be there |
| 06:22:01 | daweefolk | oh ok |
| 06:22:08 | daweefolk | thanks |
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| 06:22:15 | [Saint] | if you use 3.7.1, then it's the same as it was when you downloaded it (or when it was released) 4~5~6 (more?) weeks ago. |
| 06:22:34 | [Saint] | oh...a lot more ;) |
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| 07:28:27 | * | [Saint] starts a theme port for Ambience/Humanity-to-RaaA |
| 07:30:05 | [Saint] | heh...getting creative, the UI viewport can become the "terminal" ;) |
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| 07:47:29 | jhMikeS | bloody hell, cooperative thread malingering strikes again |
| 07:50:43 | [Saint] | and, the actual element at fault is..? |
| 07:51:09 | [Saint] | (assuming I have the definition of malingering correct, and it was used correctly) |
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| 07:51:59 | jhMikeS | cuesheets |
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| 07:52:21 | jhMikeS | the loading of them |
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| 09:18:14 | LuckyTrouble | Quick question: Is the Sandisk Sansa Fuze V2 fully supported at this point? I haven't checked the page for awhile so I'm not fully sure. It just says Fuze, so is it safe to assume it means V1 and V2? I've been using it since it was unstable personally. |
| 09:18:41 | jhMikeS | they're both considered stable |
| 09:18:55 | LuckyTrouble | Cool, thanks. |
| 09:20:18 | jhMikeS | V2 isn't as fully functional yet (USB is still not enabled by default) as V1 |
| 09:20:52 | [Saint] | it still *has* USB though...even if it has to use the OF to do so. |
| 09:21:01 | LuckyTrouble | As long as the more annoying bugs are worked out, I'll be happy. |
| 09:21:12 | jhMikeS | well, certainly, but you are forced into OF for now :) |
| 09:21:24 | [Saint] | Even with a few bugs, it beats the OF ;) |
| 09:21:35 | LuckyTrouble | Haha, not when you can't see the screen. :p |
| 09:21:49 | LuckyTrouble | I had it boot into a white screen after the Rockbox logo about six times in a row the other day. :/ |
| 09:21:50 | jhMikeS | Sandisk found out how much we hated DB refresh in the first place, they made it twice as obnoxious. |
| 09:22:06 | LuckyTrouble | I thought I should check here after a few months for updates. :3 |
| 09:29:59 | jhMikeS | cuesheet structure is enormous (no stacking one :\) |
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| 09:55:02 | sideral | jhMikeS: Have you seen the reports of random playback after fast-forward / fast-reverse / track skipping in the IRC log (yesterday and last night)? I believe they may be caused by some of your buffering rework |
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| 09:56:40 | jhMikeS | sideral: i did see that you mentioned something |
| 09:56:56 | sideral | For me this started after r29258, which appears to be still good. I'll bisect a bit over the next few days. |
| 09:57:16 | jhMikeS | though I don't know how those changes could manage that feat |
| 09:57:26 | jhMikeS | up to the revision you mentioned |
| 09:58:04 | sideral | no, I meant that revision was OK, the bugs must have been introduced afterwards |
| 09:58:25 | sideral | the revision I could reproduce it with was r29280 |
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| 10:01:08 | [Saint] | by "reproduce", you have a consistent recipie to produce failure with this revision? |
| 10:01:13 | jhMikeS | right, but you don't know where it starts between that and r29258? btw, is it logged how you reproduce it? |
| 10:02:02 | [Saint] | or does repruduce mean "it happened to me also", the less helpful version ;) |
| 10:02:25 | sideral | skipping, then spooling seemed to reproduce it consistently |
| 10:03:04 | sideral | jhMikeS: right, don't know yet where exactly it was introduced |
| 10:03:48 | jhMikeS | you mean it jumps during FF? I think I observed what I but wasn't certain if I just let go of the key by accident. |
| 10:04:27 | sideral | jump during playback after FF |
| 10:05:42 | jhMikeS | no, I had a jump during the seeking, like I let go and clicked again, which migh've been what I did. it's hasn't happened lately, but I"m also fully patched (not SVN) |
| 10:06:10 | jhMikeS | is it a track that isn't fully bufferable? |
| 10:07:15 | sideral | yes, it was a long podcast |
| 10:07:31 | jhMikeS | were newer revisions than 29280 doing it? |
| 10:07:52 | sideral | I'm still bisecting |
| 10:07:56 | sideral | unfortunately, I don't have time right now to debug / descuss this deeply |
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| 10:10:18 | jhMikeS | hmmm...this cuesheet thing isn't a problem as long as audio is the only thread creating handles, since the most recent meta handle cannot be moved |
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| 10:13:37 | n1s | urg, some of the hid keymaps for the fuze use the power button in combos |
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| 10:14:33 | [Saint] | n1s: that must be, easy to use. :-S |
| 10:14:56 | [Saint] | I find it difficult enough to power my Fuze off |
| 10:15:17 | * | n1s too |
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| 10:20:30 | Raptors | [Saint], does Rockbox have a visualizer? |
| 10:21:45 | [Saint] | in what sense are you using the word? |
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| 10:22:12 | webguest54 | hello |
| 10:22:19 | webguest54 | hello |
| 10:23:00 | Raptors | [Saint], like the graphic thing while playing songs |
| 10:23:22 | webguest54 | i've got 2 problems with settings on rockbox, could someone help me? |
| 10:23:43 | [Saint] | a.....peak meter? a VU meter? a GEQ? |
| 10:23:49 | [Saint] | Raptors: ^ |
| 10:24:10 | [Saint] | webguest54: not if you don't ask your question ;) |
| 10:25:00 | webguest54 | when I chose an artist and select "all songs" it puts songs in anpghabetic order, in orginal sansa firware it put in cds order, how to do it on rockbox? |
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| 10:26:14 | Raptors | [Saint], I mean like this http://osx.iusethis.com/screenshot/osx/whitecap.png |
| 10:26:32 | Raptors | http://www.cybero.co.uk/QuartzComposer/assets/i/images/visualizer101outofthebox.png |
| 10:26:45 | [Saint] | Raptors: no. |
| 10:26:52 | Raptors | :( |
| 10:26:55 | Raptors | kk |
| 10:27:12 | Raptors | is there a way to view the folder icon in fullscreen? |
| 10:27:17 | Raptors | though music player |
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| 10:28:59 | Raptors | BTW Set song rating is broken |
| 10:29:13 | Raptors | when I press it, it says "<no info>" |
| 10:29:16 | [Saint] | Raptors: in what way? |
| 10:29:23 | Raptors | when I press it, it says "<no info>" |
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| 10:29:40 | [Saint] | have you set a rating? |
| 10:29:44 | Raptors | No |
| 10:29:55 | [Saint] | well, there you go. |
| 10:30:06 | Raptors | How do I set a rating? The button wont work :/ |
| 10:30:37 | [Saint] | via the context menu in the .wps |
| 10:30:55 | [Saint] | and possibly the file browser and/or database. |
| 10:32:05 | Raptors | I don't see anything in the context menu for star ratings |
| 10:32:08 | Raptors | for wps |
| 10:32:19 | pixelma | gather runtime data in the database needs to be enabled too |
| 10:32:20 | bertrik | maybe it's in the manual |
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| 10:33:00 | * | Raptors goes to recheck manual |
| 10:35:08 | Raptors | Rating |
| 10:35:33 | Raptors | The menu entry is only shown if Gather Runtime Information is enabled. It allows the asignment of a personal rating value (0 – 10) to a track which can be displayed in the WPS and used in the Database browser. The value wraps at 10. |
| 10:36:03 | AlexP | Reminder: freeze later today |
| 10:36:12 | Raptors | You can only set rating though database |
| 10:36:14 | Raptors | That sucks |
| 10:36:33 | Raptors | I guess it makes sense though... |
| 10:37:29 | [Saint] | It requires the database, and "gather runtime data" iiuc. |
| 10:37:47 | Raptors | ya |
| 10:42:26 | [Saint] | I think people commonly confuse it with a rating system set in the metadata tags, such as can be embedded in media by most media players. |
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| 10:47:43 | jhMikeS | It looks like add_handle can compound it's own side effect when it fails and advance the buffer twice when it finishes completes an allocation of a file that still needs buffering. |
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| 10:58:27 | pixelma | hmm, I remember random skipping as a bug in MoB which occured (I believe) when the playlist was manipulated after being created in the first place. It was one of the showstopper bugs that was labelled as being critical for the 3.0 release during DevCon 2008. Nico_P fixed it during that time then (end of June). I wouldn't be surprised if it returned in one way or the other, the buffering system seems a bit fragile |
| 10:58:49 | pixelma | maybe checking his fixes could tell something |
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| 11:00:29 | jhMikeS | the use of the buffering seems more fragile than the actual buffering |
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| 11:06:10 | wodz | buffering problems + usb plug/unplug problems are rather major to me |
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| 11:27:53 | TheSeven | [10:06] <jhMikeS> is it a track that isn't fully bufferable? << for me it happened with small things |
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| 11:30:15 | n1s | [Saint]: is fs#11717 supposed to be comitted soo? and why is it a bug and not a patch task? |
| 11:30:20 | n1s | soon* |
| 11:31:19 | TheSeven | "when the playlist was manipulated after being created in the first place" << not true here |
| 11:31:53 | TheSeven | [11:06] <wodz> buffering problems + usb plug/unplug problems are rather major to me << the USB problems have been there for ages |
| 11:32:19 | wodz | TheSeven: but I have a feeling that nowadays this are more pronounced |
| 11:32:19 | TheSeven | like if you re-plug USB while rockbox is still returning from USB mode, it locks hard |
| 11:32:54 | TheSeven | or if you unplug USB while it's still entering USB mode, you only have half of the theme loaded afterwards and similar weirdness |
| 11:33:33 | TheSeven | if you give it enough time, those things don't happen though |
| 11:33:55 | TheSeven | oh, and on the nano2g, entering charging mode kills playback. i have absolutely no clue why. |
| 11:34:01 | wodz | I am reading lcd init routine in rk27xx sdk which is in ili9320 dir and can't match it with ili9320 datasheet :/ |
| 11:34:09 | TheSeven | on the ipod classic, it causes a playback glitch, but after that returns to normal behavior |
| 11:34:11 | pixelma | TheSeven: yes, that was the old bug. It was just an example to demonstrate that there were problems in the buffering system which created similar symptoms (and I don't remember each and everything, it's well over 2.5 years ago) |
| 11:35:05 | TheSeven | yep, got that, just wanted to add some potentially helpful information :) |
| 11:36:36 | pixelma | [Saint]: make && make zip && make apk |
| 11:37:01 | pixelma | is that correct? As the "make apk" seems to fail |
| 11:37:18 | pixelma | even after a a "make veryclean" |
| 11:44:18 | CIA-70 | New commit by jethead71 (r29291): Change add_handle to never have side effects on the buffer if it fails. It actually seems ok and I'm not sure if's responsible for anything, but it's ... |
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| 11:45:19 | JdGordon| | AlexP: so whats the verdict with the dot releases? |
| 11:45:27 | JdGordon| | do we bother with them again for the next round? |
| 11:45:28 | AlexP | pixelma: You have the sdk and ndk, and the appropriate environment variables set? |
| 11:45:39 | JdGordon| | and if so, do we want to talk about the 3 month cycle? |
| 11:45:45 | AlexP | JdGordon|: I think so, depending on the size of fix |
| 11:45:46 | pixelma | AlexP: yes, it worked before |
| 11:46:35 | pixelma | last apk I built there was an r29204 one |
| 11:46:50 | CIA-70 | New commit by alex (r29292): FS #11929 by Gabriel Maia - Portuguese translation update. |
| 11:46:51 | CIA-70 | New commit by alex (r29293): FS #11928 by Marek Salaba - Update of Czech language |
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| 11:47:59 | jhMikeS | ahh, I did that one all wrong :\ |
| 11:48:32 | AlexP | JdGordon|: And this'll be 4 months after 3.7 |
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| 11:49:06 | JdGordon| | ah, will it ? |
| 11:49:24 | AlexP | yeah, 3.7 was 30/10 |
| 11:49:34 | AlexP | As 3.8 should be 27/02 |
| 11:49:58 | AlexP | sorry, 3.7 was 31/10 |
| 11:50:04 | pixelma | hmm, maybe a reconfigure will help, let's see |
| 11:51:05 | pixelma | now it's complaining about the path variable? :/ |
| 11:52:07 | CIA-70 | r29291 build result: All green |
| 11:55:57 | AlexP | wow, builds are slow these days |
| 11:56:05 | AlexP | well, relative to what they were before |
| 11:56:05 | [Saint] | pixelma: it may be expecting newer tools. |
| 11:56:06 | CIA-70 | r29293 build result: All green |
| 11:56:19 | [Saint] | the path of the NDK changed slightly iirc |
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| 11:57:35 | [Saint] | I haven't floowed specific API changes that require bumpin the tools versions...so instead I just keep updating as they come. |
| 11:57:41 | [Saint] | *followed |
| 11:57:56 | [Saint] | and *bumping |
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| 11:58:43 | [Saint] | iiuc it's SDK r9 and NDK r5b |
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| 12:02:42 | CIA-70 | New commit by jethead71 (r29294): Needed to do a few more things to have r29291 correct. |
| 12:02:50 | Izzy_ | Howdy. I was going to add my radio presets to the wiki, and I'm a bit confused at the registration process. The registration form said it'd send me an email and then would add me to the WikiUsersGroup, but the error page I'm getting implies that getting added to that group is a manual thing. Can somebody clarify that for me? |
| 12:04:34 | n1s | Izzy_: you should have gotten a mail but it seems broken, adding you to the WikiUsersGroup is indeed a manual thing but can only be done after you have registerd |
| 12:04:40 | pixelma | yes, you need to ask here so someone could add you, what's your wiki user name? |
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| 12:05:18 | AlexP | If you haven't got the email it won't work I think |
| 12:05:19 | Izzy_ | Ah, 'kay. "RyanBales". Thanks. |
| 12:05:28 | AlexP | But the wiki seems proper buggered at the moment |
| 12:05:37 | AlexP | It keeps not sending emails |
| 12:06:38 | CIA-70 | r29294 build result: All green |
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| 12:38:46 | * | jhMikeS found a sequence where he can do the freak track change |
| 12:39:05 | [Saint] | oh? |
| 12:40:28 | n1s | It's awesome that you are going through that code as it seems to have a lot of trouble and is so central to rockbox' function :) |
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| 12:46:03 | jhMikeS | [Saint]: two ways now |
| 12:47:33 | jhMikeS | n1s: It's making me nuts despite that much of buffering looks quite solid. Really the whole thing is not very complex. |
| 12:48:23 | [Saint] | step one, < >, profit? 've been trying to freak buffering out lately to reproduce it, but to no avail. |
| 12:48:24 | jhMikeS | of course it's that one tiny thing that has evaded detection... |
| 12:48:36 | [Saint] | what's your recipe? |
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| 12:49:35 | jhMikeS | I have a small .wav, a big .ape file, then a small .mp3. It should play, wav, ape, mp3. But, if I seek then skip the wav, it goes straight to the mp3. |
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| 12:52:39 | [Saint] | hmmm. I'd love to reproduce jumping into a whole other directory as seen by Buschel |
| 12:53:28 | [Saint] | I've managed to lock my players up quite nicely a few times lately stressing ffwd/rew |
| 12:53:37 | Buschel | yep, reproducibility would be a good thing... I did not manage to reproduce it since yesterday |
| 12:54:23 | Buschel | [Saint]: such lockups are not new. the playback/buffer/seek was not 100% robust since I use rockbox |
| 12:55:11 | Buschel | but I think it became harder to maintain due to all of these new features tied to the related parts |
| 12:56:21 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing right now it's not receiving notifications in some assumed order (becuase it's threaded) and really doesn't account for that |
| 12:57:31 | Buschel | might be... I am glad you're looking into this now |
| 12:57:35 | CIA-70 | New commit by thomasjfox (r29295): Fix SDL detection on Nokia N8xx |
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| 13:00:12 | Buschel | jhMikeS: maybe you'll also find a solution for FS #10930 and FS #11495 as a side effect of your rework? ;) |
| 13:00:26 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I think the lockups are something else than the play order issue. I can data abort the beast even with my patch and it seems to be looking into a handle that either got corrupted or is no longer at some cached address. The ordering, I'm not sure what buffering itself could do there except be improperly used by playback. |
| 13:00:38 | CIA-70 | r29295 build result: All green |
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| 13:00:57 | webguest66 | Anyone present? |
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| 13:01:24 | [Saint] | Me: 137 people, and you. |
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| 13:02:20 | Guest32730 | Have an old ipod with a cracked screen, have been using it like an ipod shuffle, but I managed to mess up my settings and now it doesn't start playing my playlist on startup....any quick reference of how to put that back into the settings by file editing? |
| 13:02:30 | jhMikeS | the bad data thing seems to be resisting all changes, so now, what haven't I looked at well enough? |
| 13:02:50 | Guest32730 | not sure how to do it with config.cfg, if that's how it would be done |
| 13:03:30 | AlexP | Guest32730: You could turn navigate by voice |
| 13:03:34 | AlexP | -turn |
| 13:03:45 | Guest32730 | no mic, ipod nano 2gb heh |
| 13:03:47 | AlexP | Install a voice file (rbutil will do this) |
| 13:03:54 | AlexP | then it'll read the menus to you |
| 13:04:13 | AlexP | no, you don't speak to it, it speaks to you |
| 13:04:15 | AlexP | See the manual |
| 13:04:21 | Guest32730 | wow, that sounds painful hahahah but I will look into it, thx |
| 13:04:30 | AlexP | painful how? |
| 13:04:39 | Guest32730 | finding the setting by audio |
| 13:04:54 | thomasjfox | AlexP: When will the feature freeze exactly happen? I'd like to fix the shutdown sequence of RaaA if possible |
| 13:05:00 | [Saint] | blind people manage it quite nicely. |
| 13:05:04 | AlexP | thomasjfox: This afternoon CET |
| 13:05:14 | Guest32730 | If only I were blind! |
| 13:05:21 | AlexP | thomasjfox: But RaaA isn't part of the release |
| 13:05:33 | AlexP | thomasjfox: So if it only affects RaaA, then the freeze doesn't apply |
| 13:05:48 | thomasjfox | AlexP: A little pressure is still nice ;) |
| 13:05:56 | AlexP | OK then, this afternoon :) |
| 13:06:18 | [Saint] | yesterday! |
| 13:06:38 | Guest32730 | What does wps stand for? |
| 13:06:41 | thomasjfox | AlexP: It might affect the SDL code used by the simulator, though it won't make a difference if the code is in 3.8 or not |
| 13:07:09 | [Saint] | Guest32730: while playing screen |
| 13:07:32 | pixelma | thomasjfox: also - if it's a bugfix then it is even wanted during the freeze... it's a feature freeze that should encourage working on fixing bugs in the meantime |
| 13:07:36 | AlexP | thomasjfox: I trust the committer with their judgement - if it doesn't affect any release target in any way then OK :) |
| 13:07:53 | [Saint] | it's the "affectionate name" for the screen you see whilst playing audio. |
| 13:07:58 | AlexP | thomasjfox: And yes, exactly as pixelma says - bug fix during freeze is good and indeed the point of it :) |
| 13:08:04 | AlexP | [Saint]: It is the actual name of it |
| 13:08:30 | Guest32730 | thanks |
| 13:09:57 | pixelma | Guest32730: you could also use a simulator to "collect" all the settings you want to change from default and then copy the config.cfg to your player, I think |
| 13:11:28 | [Saint] | yes, that will work. all plain text files created by the sim should be interchangable. |
| 13:12:06 | AlexP | That'll only help if he has changed the resume setting, and not if he needs to select music |
| 13:13:18 | jhMikeS | yeah, mp3 uses buffering incorrectly, doing all sorts of yielding while holding pointers into the buffer |
| 13:14:15 | pixelma | AlexP: yes, that'll be one part of it only but may help a bit already |
| 13:14:22 | AlexP | yep |
| 13:14:28 | jhMikeS | then again, audio is never moved... |
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| 13:15:09 | Guest32730 | ms sam tells me "deleted database" on ipod rockbox startup, hm |
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| 13:15:53 | jhMikeS | still, if handles were removed by audio then something else put there = bad |
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| 13:19:00 | [Saint] | Guest32730: Voiced output from Rockbox tells you this? |
| 13:20:58 | Guest32730 | Yeah it did...but then I scrolled around and it sounded like it was in a normal menu |
| 13:21:03 | jhMikeS | urgh, codec_thread doesn't check return values to see if functions failed :\ |
| 13:21:43 | Guest32730 | I'm gonna make .talk files but rbu doesn't have a valid tts engine, any suggestions of where to get one? |
| 13:23:23 | [Saint] | Guest32730: which OS? |
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| 13:23:56 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Hi. Thanks for the final testing of my configure changes. I have another set of build-system changes pending as well... (mainly creating separate config .h files for each RaaA target) |
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| 13:34:02 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: You're welcome. In fact I really like the separate targets. Did you install scratchbox yet? ;) |
| 13:34:15 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: No, not yet. |
| 13:34:24 | JdGordon| | linuxstb: any reason each raa target needs seperate config.h? almost all of it should be the same? |
| 13:34:27 | Guest32730 | [Saint] this computer's Win XP |
| 13:34:32 | JdGordon| | unless they all #include a common one? |
| 13:35:06 | [Saint] | Guest32730: then choose SAPI, if you have an even remotely current verion of XP it will be there. |
| 13:35:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: If you look at it, it's actually very small. |
| 13:37:19 | JdGordon| | I dont doubt that, but I know for sure HAVE_HOTKEY should be automatically enabled on all of them and isnt, presumably other HAVE_* features are also missing when there is no technical reason for it |
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| 13:38:38 | * | linuxstb will be back soon... |
| 13:40:46 | Guest32730 | thanks [Saint] it's going. |
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| 13:41:13 | [Saint] | Guest32730: No problem, SAPI is the built in Windows TTS |
| 13:42:08 | [Saint] | you can also use mbrola and eSpeak on Windows iirc |
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| 13:47:15 | pixelma | yep, it integrates into SAPI there anyway though, works a treat |
| 13:48:41 | pixelma | it gives you mare languages and voices |
| 13:48:48 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: Well, I think it's the same problem we have generally - there are lots of things which almost all targets should be enabling. Maybe we could change to enabling everything by default, and then certain targets disabling them. |
| 13:49:28 | JdGordon| | hmm, true |
| 13:49:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: But the reason is that I want to change configure to use separate target names for each RaaA target, rather than them all being called "application". So that implies separate config files. I thought about using an application-common, but it would seem too small to be worthwhile. |
| 13:50:09 | JdGordon| | ok, fair enough |
| 13:51:17 | linuxstb | Anyone know why installToolchain.sh would give me the error "Failed to fetch URL https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/addons_list.xml, reason: Network is unreachable" ? I get "wget" that file without problems. |
| 13:52:09 | TheSeven | linuxstb: proxy settings? |
| 13:53:02 | linuxstb | TheSeven: I don't have any (afaik...) |
| 13:53:23 | linuxstb | Seems to be this command causing the errors - "$SDK_PATH/tools/android update sdk −−no-ui −−filter platform,tool" |
| 13:54:33 | [Saint] | that command works fine for me to get the necessary bits and pieces if I just run it from the terminal. |
| 13:55:26 | TheSeven | [12:52] <[Saint]> hmmm. I'd love to reproduce jumping into a whole other directory as seen by Buschel << this smells more like playlist or file system trouble |
| 13:55:32 | TheSeven | [12:53] <[Saint]> I've managed to lock my players up quite nicely a few times lately stressing ffwd/rew << dito |
| 13:56:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 14:01:58 | [Saint] | TheSeven: Classic, N2G, both? |
| 14:02:28 | TheSeven | both, but it has always been like this |
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| 14:02:53 | TheSeven | skip around heavily, especially if seeking is also involved, and sooner or later it will crash in odd ways |
| 14:03:09 | TheSeven | often it's just playback that locks up completely, sometimes i got hard locks |
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| 14:04:00 | [Saint] | I need to push an update to the themesite for iLike, and I'll do the same for us locally for the AA versions. |
| 14:05:14 | [Saint] | I managed to reliably code my way out of the messups that happen on expecting there to always be a next track. |
| 14:05:14 | [Saint] | it's not pretty, but it works. |
| 14:06:25 | [Saint] | it'd be nice to do so for cabbie also, as it always expects a next track also. Though I imagine handling that case more gracefully is better than coding around it to hide it. |
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| 14:22:04 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: Any reason the android stuff is in apps/hosted/ instead of an apps/android/ (or apps/hosted/android/) ? |
| 14:26:19 | CIA-70 | New commit by dave (r29296): Update Android README in line with configure changes from r29286 |
| 14:26:46 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: What's a good place for the last.FM scrobbler file in RaaA? Currently it writes to "/.scrobbler.log". Maybe $HOME? Or ROCKBOX_DIR? |
| 14:27:22 | [Saint] | hmm...the quickscreen sure is fun on RaaA :/ |
| 14:28:35 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: what's wrong with /.scrobbler.log? |
| 14:28:50 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: Only accessible with root permissions |
| 14:28:54 | [Saint] | assuming / is treated as the SD |
| 14:29:22 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: / is the root filesystem. Only ROCKBOX_DIR gets remapped |
| 14:29:33 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: I don't know how RaaA organises the files. But I would guess the same place as the main config.cfg file |
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| 14:29:53 | CIA-70 | r29296 build result: All green |
| 14:29:55 | webguest09 | Hm, it disconnected me |
| 14:30:04 | webguest09 | I'm the guy who was installing .talk files |
| 14:30:15 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: Maybe ask kugel (or someone else who knows how things have been split...) |
| 14:30:28 | webguest09 | that's all done now. When I click Play/Pause, it says Deleted Database |
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| 14:31:19 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Ok, I'll wait for him. ROCKBOX_DIR was also the first place I looked, it contains the main config.cfg, too. |
| 14:32:23 | webguest09 | Oh, it just says Deleted, then it reads the selected menu item |
| 14:32:24 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: I'm not sure if there are any files similar to scrobbler.log - IIUC it needs to be read by a PC application and submitted. Although RaaA could perhaps do it itself... |
| 14:32:49 | linuxstb | So it needs to be stored somewhere the user can easily access it when the device is connected to a PC. |
| 14:33:27 | webguest09 | Someone suggested running a rockbox emu on the pc to assist in navigation on my broken-screen ipod, where do I get one of those? |
| 14:33:41 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: /home/user/.config/rockbox.org (-> ROCKBOX_DIR) should be fine on maemo |
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| 14:34:10 | [Saint] | linuxstb: I would assume sdcard/rockbox/.scrobbler.log then? |
| 14:34:43 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: The sdcard/ stuff is only on android |
| 14:35:19 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: Though that would be the correct location on android, too :) |
| 14:38:47 | linuxstb | thomasjfox: It's not really a config file though - it's data generated by Rockbox. |
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| 14:39:52 | linuxstb | [Saint]: What/where is "sdcard" ? |
| 14:39:58 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: IIRC there's a directory for data generated by the plugins |
| 14:40:53 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: "/sdcard" is specific to android. It's the (writable) SD card :) |
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| 14:41:47 | linuxstb | what if there isn't one? |
| 14:41:56 | [Saint] | there always is. |
| 14:42:24 | [Saint] | well, not *always* I guess..but it's quite safe to assume it's there/ |
| 14:43:37 | [Saint] | seeing as it's going to be reading from there if RB is installed anyway, it's safe to assume there's an sd. |
| 14:44:01 | [Saint] | (for Android) |
| 14:44:08 | linuxstb | RB requires an SD card? |
| 14:46:32 | [Saint] | I don't think it necessarily *requires* it by definition, but the way it works on Android is that the app itself installs to the phones memory, and the config etc. is in sdcard/rockbox/ |
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| 14:49:25 | [Saint] | themes go in the sdcard/rockbox/ dir also...though they could be packed in the .apk beforehand and installed to the phones menory, why if you have an sd? |
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| 14:51:11 | linuxstb | Not every Android device has an SD card though. |
| 14:52:28 | gevaerts | linuxstb: I'm not sure actually |
| 14:53:13 | gevaerts | This Archos tablet has an extrenal uSD slot which is currently empty, but it *does* have lots of stuff on /mnt/sdcard (or /media, not sure). That's what's exposed over USB |
| 14:53:46 | TheSeven | so that is just a folder in internal memory? |
| 14:54:00 | gevaerts | So it may well be that the convention is that user-accessible storage should be mounted on /mnt/sdcard, regardless of whether that actually is an sd card |
| 14:54:18 | gevaerts | TheSeven: it's exposed as a mass storage device, so it can't be just a directory |
| 14:54:51 | TheSeven | hm. internal eMMC? |
| 14:54:52 | linuxstb | gevaerts: But then the "real" uSD card will be mounted elsewhere? |
| 14:55:06 | linuxstb | (or mounted over the top?) |
| 14:55:06 | gevaerts | linuxstb: probably. I haven't tried yet |
| 14:55:17 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: Found something: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1209469/storing-android-application-data-on-sd-card |
| 14:55:26 | linuxstb | So "sdcard" probably just means "main internal storage" ? |
| 14:55:37 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: "... It's better practice to use Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() than to hard code "/sdcard" ..." |
| 14:56:26 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: I think /sdcard is external storage though I'm no expert on this |
| 14:57:39 | * | linuxstb thought he was asking a simple question... ;) |
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| 14:59:45 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: The ultimate answer: http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html |
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| 15:00:03 | thomasjfox | linuxstb: So the "external" storage can/will be remapped to internal one |
| 15:01:03 | pixelma | n1s: did you have a chance to look into the "fall back to failsafe theme after USB disconnect" error on hw USB targets already? |
| 15:01:21 | thomasjfox | anyway, I've got to leave. Laters |
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| 15:12:22 | webguest09 | Navigating around rockbox with the voice/talk is difficult, any suggestions? |
| 15:16:54 | gevaerts | linuxstb: it seems the internal storage is mounted on /mnt/storage here, with /sdcard and /mnt/sdcard being symlinks to that. The extrenal microSD card is mounted on /mnt/storage/sdcard |
| 15:19:14 | gevaerts | (still on archos 101) |
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| 15:20:27 | gevaerts | I have no idea if Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory() is going to return /mnt/storage or /mnt/storage/sdcard though |
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| 15:23:14 | webguest26 | argh |
| 15:23:32 | webguest26 | does this web-based irc client disconnect automatically? |
| 15:23:43 | AlexP | no, it is just crap |
| 15:23:54 | AlexP | Use the freenode web client, it is more releiable |
| 15:24:31 | [Saint] | webchat.freenode.net |
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| 15:26:29 | NoScreen | I have returned, thx for the webchat.freenode.net suggestion |
| 15:27:48 | linuxstb | NoScreen: Why are you using voice/talk? |
| 15:27:56 | NoScreen | <- |
| 15:28:10 | [Saint] | lol |
| 15:28:23 | NoScreen | I had been using my ipod nano 1st gen on shuffle, like an ipod shuffle |
| 15:28:46 | NoScreen | but I managed to screw up my settings, and now it doesn't auto-resume the playlist on startup |
| 15:29:20 | [Saint] | is it car adapter mode that does that? |
| 15:29:31 | [Saint] | or is there some other setting I'm unaware of? |
| 15:30:09 | Llorean | [Saint]: Setting the startup screen to WPS |
| 15:30:11 | NoScreen | I wasn't aware of any car adapter mode, I just had it configured to resume playback on startup |
| 15:30:42 | [Saint] | Llorean: I wanted to suggest that, but I was unsure if that started playback or not. |
| 15:31:34 | gevaerts | There's no setting that *starts* playback |
| 15:31:49 | Llorean | Setting it to the WPS will only resume playback. |
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| 15:31:57 | gevaerts | You can *resume* playback automatically, but if you stop, it's stopped |
| 15:32:17 | Llorean | gevaerts: If you stop before shutting down, so the playlist is lost, yes. |
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| 15:32:25 | Llorean | If you stop, but then resume, it resumes. |
| 15:32:26 | NoScreen | resuming playback would be fine, I'm sure I can find a way to play by the audio cues....eventually |
| 15:32:31 | gevaerts | ah, right |
| 15:32:58 | NoScreen | I'm not using the rockbox playlist, I'm using a .pls file |
| 15:33:17 | NoScreen | I could put on diff MP3s and change the .pls (with same filename) and it would resume on startup |
| 15:34:55 | Llorean | NoScreen: Rockbox doesn't support .pls files... |
| 15:35:18 | NoScreen | um....really? |
| 15:35:32 | NoScreen | sorry it was .m3u |
| 15:35:59 | AlexP | Everytime you play something in Rockbox it uses a playlist |
| 15:36:15 | AlexP | If you just click on a music file it creates an internal playlist |
| 15:36:21 | AlexP | This is what they were talking about |
| 15:36:31 | Llorean | It might be good to learn the spoken Rockbox then. Once you've gotten a bit of a grip on it, you'll probably find it quite handy to not need a computer to change what you're playing if you've made a mistake. |
| 15:38:42 | NoScreen | Right, I installed it and made .talk files and I'm trying to navigate it but there's nothing that sounds like a directory listing |
| 15:40:20 | [Saint] | you might not have enabled .talk files for dirs/files? |
| 15:40:35 | [Saint] | iirc, just menus are spoken by default. |
| 15:41:23 | NoScreen | in rbucan you config that from rbu? |
| 15:41:30 | NoScreen | -"in rbu" |
| 15:42:43 | [Saint] | Not that I am aware of, you need to navigate to the appropriate menu and enable it, or add the parameters to your config file manually. |
| 15:43:26 | NoScreen | oh good, something I CAN do by .cfg file :) |
| 15:46:21 | NoScreen | talk dir off, number, spell |
| 15:46:28 | NoScreen | Do you know what number vs spell do? |
| 15:46:37 | AlexP | You can do any setting via the .cfg file |
| 15:47:04 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomConfigFile |
| 15:47:08 | AlexP | There is a list of settings in the manual |
| 15:47:22 | NoScreen | I'm looking at that page, it doesn't describe the options though |
| 15:47:25 | [Saint] | ay, yes...the manual too. |
| 15:47:45 | gevaerts | NoScreen: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1520008.9 |
| 15:48:37 | AlexP | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-buildap3.html#x18-395000C |
| 15:49:13 | NoScreen | Thanks guys, between those 3 links I should be able to figure it out :) |
| 15:52:31 | NoScreen | fuck yeah! |
| 15:52:34 | NoScreen | ipod active! |
| 15:52:35 | NoScreen | :D |
| 15:52:59 | NoScreen | Now to find the auto-resume function.... |
| 15:53:17 | [Saint] | s/f**k yeah/twiddle-dee-dee/ |
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| 15:55:03 | NoScreen | oh, we frown upon profanity here eh? sorry |
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| 15:55:47 | AlexP | NoScreen: Depends who you are talking to :) |
| 15:55:52 | AlexP | We are all adults after all |
| 15:56:10 | [Saint] | heh, i do it myself on occasions, it's just nice not to. "family friendly", all that jaz. |
| 15:56:20 | NoScreen | "start in screen" options include "previous" and "wps", which one do you think correlates to "Resume Playback"? |
| 15:56:21 | [Saint] | *jazz too |
| 15:56:25 | AlexP | wps |
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| 15:56:45 | NoScreen | Thanks AlexP |
| 15:56:55 | NoScreen | and [Saint] too |
| 15:57:01 | AlexP | no worries |
| 15:57:13 | [Saint] | perhaps you want to set repeat to all also? |
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| 15:58:04 | NoScreen | wow, windows decided it's a whole new device now |
| 15:58:09 | [Saint] | or, if you shose repeat shuffled it will shuffle the playlist and start again each time it reaches the end. |
| 15:58:20 | [Saint] | *choose |
| 15:58:34 | NoScreen | Yeah [Saint] I'll put it on repeat shuffled |
| 15:59:23 | [Saint] | what capacity first gen Nano is it? that's still my favourite target. |
| 15:59:32 | [Saint] | the sound from them is really nice. |
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| 16:00:29 | NoScreen | 2gb, and yeah I love the sound |
| 16:01:14 | [Saint] | my 4GB 1st Gen Nano is still my "primary player", despite larger/"better" DAPs I own. |
| 16:01:59 | NoScreen | What do you think Repeat: ab does? |
| 16:02:10 | AlexP | A-B repeat mode |
| 16:02:13 | AlexP | See the manual |
| 16:02:13 | gevaerts | It enables A-B repeat |
| 16:02:26 | NoScreen | never heard of it heh, okay. |
| 16:02:26 | [Saint] | it lets you repeat a selection of a file. |
| 16:02:40 | NoScreen | What's DAP stand for [Saint] |
| 16:02:44 | [Saint] | it's a relic from old CD players iiuc. |
| 16:02:51 | AlexP | why a relic? |
| 16:02:53 | [Saint] | digital audio player |
| 16:03:08 | AlexP | CD players had it, but it wasn't because of something to do with them |
| 16:03:19 | NoScreen | Well I guess that's a more specific acro, but I thought everyone just says PMP |
| 16:03:26 | AlexP | People use it for things like learning sections of a song |
| 16:03:47 | [Saint] | well, I think they did it initially just to go "hey look, it's not a cassette"...and it stuck around in DAPs |
| 16:03:58 | AlexP | I think you are just guessing |
| 16:08:18 | NoScreen | Alright, thanks everyone, and especially rockbox devs :) |
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| 16:13:01 | n1s | pixelma: ah, no forgot about that, have time now though |
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| 16:18:03 | n1s | pixelma: can't reproduce it with a current build so maybe it's been fixed :) |
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| 16:31:37 | n1s | it was fixed in r29152 |
| 16:31:46 | n1s | eh r29150 |
| 16:33:19 | n1s | and most likely broke in one of the earlier revs touching usb.c |
| 16:33:48 | n1s | but i don't want to bisect that now as the issue is gone :) anyway thanks for reminding me, i can cross one thing off my todo now |
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| 16:51:57 | n1s | any native English speaker, is it better when speaking the battery runtime remaining to leave out "minutes" so it says "x hours y" or include it? |
| 16:52:42 | n1s | there is a bug report about this but it seems intentional |
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| 16:55:43 | AlexP | n1s: Probably, but I'm going to need to write the alternatives down and look at them, too hard in my head :) |
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| 16:56:48 | n1s | AlexP: if leaving it out isn't clearly better i'd rather include it because AFAIK it's an Englishism |
| 16:57:03 | n1s | and it will be the same for all languages |
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| 16:57:35 | AlexP | n1s: I think in normal casual speech I'd leave off minutes, i.e. "Oh, he's arriving in an hour ten", but if I wanted to be more precise I'd probably say it |
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| 16:57:44 | AlexP | n1s: Either would be OK by me |
| 16:57:49 | n1s | ok, thanks |
| 16:58:06 | gevaerts | I'd say the same for Dutch |
| 16:58:23 | n1s | for example in swedish you'd either say both hours and minutes or neither |
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| 17:02:20 | CIA-70 | New commit by nls (r29297): Explicitely say 'minutes' when speaking the battery time, fixes FS #11932. |
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| 17:05:03 | AlexP | So, has anyone got any last minute fettling to do? |
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| 17:06:03 | CIA-70 | r29297 build result: All green |
| 17:10:51 | AlexP | Speak now or forever hold your peace! |
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| 17:23:09 | AlexP | right then |
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| 18:17:36 | Buschel | pixelma: do you think this is good enough as update for deutsch.lang -> http://pastie.org/1559796 |
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| 18:46:57 | TheSeven | Buschel: sounds OK to me |
| 18:47:35 | TheSeven | i assume both are yes/no submenus? |
| 18:47:55 | TheSeven | in that case one might want to add a "Nur" to LANG_AUTORESUME_CUSTOM, if that's how it behaves |
| 18:48:19 | Buschel | I thought about this as well. will just add it |
| 18:49:28 | CIA-70 | New commit by Buschel (r29298): Update german translation. |
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| 19:06:48 | * | TheSeven still wonders what to do about the ipod classic installation problem |
| 19:07:29 | TheSeven | there are basically three possible ways to get rockbox onto an ipod classic: |
| 19:07:44 | TheSeven | - DFU (requires special drivers or hooking into itunes somehow) |
| 19:07:59 | TheSeven | - overwriting the firmware partition (requires custom SCSI commands via UMS) |
| 19:08:26 | TheSeven | - notes exploit (only works for the 1G and possibly 2G, and is dependent on the firmware version) |
| 19:09:12 | TheSeven | or find a way to make it expose its firmware partition |
| 19:09:28 | TheSeven | the broken one i got sent had a user-visible firmware partition for some reason |
| 19:10:35 | pamaury | TheSeven: why DFU requires special drivers ? |
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| 19:11:25 | TheSeven | well, how else would one access it? |
| 19:11:38 | TheSeven | i'm thinking from a windows point of view here, on linux you have libusb of course |
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| 19:15:12 | saratoga | TheSeven: the charging kills playback thing was just fixed on the AMS players |
| 19:16:24 | saratoga | see: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=28819 |
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| 19:21:01 | pamaury | ah yeah, windows is always a problem from this point of view |
| 19:21:29 | pamaury | and can't you send custom scsi command on windows using ioctls ? |
| 19:23:56 | TheSeven | ioctls? windows? :) |
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| 19:24:19 | TheSeven | saratoga: I don't think this is related |
| 19:24:45 | saratoga | are you sure? IIRC that bug is present in pretty much every USB driver except PP (and now AMSv1) |
| 19:24:59 | TheSeven | i'm talking about a problem where entering charging mode (by holding menu while plugging it in) seems to cause memory corruption and makes the PCM driver play some garbage from memory |
| 19:25:17 | TheSeven | in most cases playback, and in some cases the whole system deadlocks |
| 19:25:19 | saratoga | ah no |
| 19:25:32 | saratoga | this one would basically just flush the audio buffer and stop playback randomly, but no crash or corruption |
| 19:26:07 | TheSeven | saratoga: nevertheless i'm on the case as I want the ipod classic (which uses the same usb diver) to charge if connected to a dumb charger |
| 19:26:33 | TheSeven | this apparently never works for drivers that still use the old detection model |
| 19:35:03 | pamaury | TheSeven: yes ioctl |
| 19:35:24 | TheSeven | is there even such a thing on windows? |
| 19:35:31 | pamaury | you have DeviceIoControl |
| 19:35:47 | pamaury | you open a handle to the file representing the device and you can send IOCTL |
| 19:36:01 | TheSeven | hm, might be an option... |
| 19:36:09 | pamaury | To be honst, I think the concept of IOCTL is much more developped under Windows than under Linux ;) |
| 19:36:11 | pamaury | *honest |
| 19:36:21 | TheSeven | but that means that we need to figure out that nasty itunes scsi protocol |
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| 19:48:28 | pamaury | and the nasty ioctl of windows :) |
| 19:50:06 | pamaury | there is IOCTL_SCSI_PASS_THROUGH but I don't know how windows implement UMS device. If it uses a scsi abstraction driver, it should work, you need to try. Or I can try myself perhaps |
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| 19:50:34 | pamaury | But I can't do anything for the itunes protocol since I don't have an ipod |
| 19:52:12 | pixelma | Buschel: looks ok to me too |
| 19:52:24 | Buschel | good :) |
| 19:52:40 | pixelma | n1s: ok, need to update then |
| 19:54:41 | Buschel | n1s: the guy who filed a bug report about rockbox not speaking 'minutes' is back with the next report ;) |
| 19:56:19 | Buschel | n1s: this should fix it, right? -> http://pastie.org/1560055 |
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| 20:03:15 | Buschel | if we change this as well there is only one single UNIT_TIME left for bookmarks. is UNIT_TIME really needed or is UNIT_TIME_EXACT the standard use case and we can drop the handling for UNIT_TIME? |
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| 20:14:50 | CIA-70 | New commit by Buschel (r29299): Explicitly say 'minutes' when speaking the runtime, fixes FS #11934. |
| 20:16:24 | linuxstb | TheSeven: There is SCSI code (for Linux, OS X and Windows) in ipodpatcher - is that anything like you would need? Your middle option looks most user-friendly. |
| 20:17:44 | TheSeven | probably yes |
| 20:18:20 | CIA-70 | r29299 build result: All green |
| 20:18:57 | TheSeven | the other alternative would be hooking into itunes on windows (like vairous jailbreaking tools do) and use libusb on everything else |
| 20:24:44 | Buschel | TheSeven: I am just browsing through some bug reports and saw FS #10894. This describes and issue I have here: my nano hard-freezes when I connect USB after wake-up via hold-key. it needs a MENU+SELECT reset and will work flawlessly from that on. do you experience anything similar? |
| 20:25:19 | Buschel | btw, this has been the case since I own the nano |
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| 20:25:46 | TheSeven | Buschel: so this happens only if it is powered on by means of the hold switch? |
| 20:26:08 | Buschel | that is my use case. |
| 20:26:09 | TheSeven | which bootloader? |
| 20:26:15 | TheSeven | never seen anything like this, but i don't do this often |
| 20:26:21 | TheSeven | and i can't think of any cause |
| 20:30:14 | Buschel | how do I check the bootloader? I am not changing it too often |
| 20:31:56 | Buschel | liar: you there? |
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| 20:34:56 | DonDemon | hey |
| 20:39:22 | DonDemon | hey guys i have a question about rockbox will there be rockbox on philips go gear SA2RGA04RN/02 or on SA2VBE08K/02 |
| 20:44:35 | gevaerts | If someone works on it, possibly |
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| 20:56:54 | alexbobP | rockbox utility seems to have buggy new version detection |
| 20:57:11 | alexbobP | I'm definitely running the latest version from the site, but every time I run it it tells me there's a newer version |
| 20:57:46 | saratoga | i *think* thats fixed in svn now |
| 20:58:32 | alexbobP | okay, that's good |
| 20:58:54 | alexbobP | I'm still having problems though... autodetection of my player is not working |
| 20:58:57 | saratoga | huh no that should be fixed in 1.2.8 |
| 20:59:38 | alexbobP | this is 1.2.8 64 bit just so you know |
| 20:59:45 | alexbobP | I'll try the 32 bit version and see if that works |
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| 21:00:35 | liar | Buschel: yes |
| 21:01:46 | alexbobP | saratoga: yeah, it seems like that update bug is still present in the 64 bit build but not the 32 bit builds |
| 21:01:49 | Buschel | liar: is FS #10894 needed for you? the usb code in svn changed. |
| 21:02:09 | alexbobP | neither one will detect my player though. When I click |
| 21:02:18 | alexbobP | autodetect I see "Fatal Error: Unless you changed this installation will fail" |
| 21:02:24 | saratoga | on windows? |
| 21:02:26 | alexbobP | even after setting giving it the mount point of the player |
| 21:02:27 | alexbobP | no, linux |
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| 21:08:56 | alexbobP | saratoga: do you know what I can do? In the "select your audio player" box, I can't select any options, even if I check "show disabled targets" |
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| 21:09:33 | saratoga | sorry no idea |
| 21:10:04 | pacovila | Hello, this is to notify a patch for espanol.lang language file, its FS #11936 |
| 21:10:05 | pacovila | Thanks |
| 21:10:17 | pacovila | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11936 |
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| 21:41:32 | Buschel | can anyone who know our talk-code check the patch in FS #10479 (changing language stops playback)? to me it seems there is a simple fix possible. |
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| 21:45:22 | Buschel | it also seems there are 64 KB for thumbnails always allocated from audio buffer. even if there is no voice file present. is this needed? |
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| 22:23:17 | sideral | Saint, TheSeven, jhMikeS: I can't seem to reliably reproduce the strange random skips after fast-forward/fast-rewind/track skipping :( So my attempt at bisecting has failed |
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| 22:26:09 | wodz | What does 'resume on automatic track change' do? I would like to translate this into polish but I am not sure I understand the context right |
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| 22:28:27 | sideral | wodz: Before I answer, could you do me a favor and read the corresponding manual section that I've written? I'd like to know whether the manual is good enough (whether you can understand it from the manual)... |
| 22:28:48 | wodz | ok |
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| 22:29:05 | wodz | I thought it is not described yet |
| 22:30:04 | sideral | It is; have a look here, for example: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipv2/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1440008.7 |
| 22:30:19 | CIA-70 | New commit by Buschel (r29300): Do not fiddle with audiobuf in talk_init() when no voice file is present. Avoids stopping of audio playback when changing languages without using ... |
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| 22:31:47 | wodz | sideral: ok the setting is clear to me |
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| 22:37:26 | sideral | wodz: Thanks for test-reading that section! |
| 22:38:40 | wodz | AlexP: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11937 Could you commit this? I have dirty tree. |
| 22:39:02 | AlexP | sounds painful :) |
| 22:39:07 | AlexP | but yes, sure :) |
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| 22:42:36 | CIA-70 | New commit by alex (r29301): FS #11937 by Marcin Bukat - update Polish translation. |
| 22:46:11 | CIA-70 | r29301 build result: All green |
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| 23:12:59 | Buschel | is it a bug that the sim does not shut down? FS #11238. I would say -> close it. |
| 23:13:34 | wodz | TheSeven: How do you choose the right lcd driver on nano2g? |
| 23:14:02 | wodz | Buschel: IMO sim should react on long press to shut down for example |
| 23:14:12 | Buschel | same for FS #11225 (ALT-F4 does not close sim under windows) |
| 23:14:47 | * | TheSeven fails to interpret that question |
| 23:14:54 | [Saint] | I seem to remember there not being a clean way to shut down the sim "gracefully", but could be wrong. |
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| 23:14:59 | TheSeven | as a user, you don't actively chooose anything |
| 23:15:06 | TheSeven | the code choses it based on two GPIO pins |
| 23:15:18 | wodz | TheSeven: that answers my question |
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| 23:16:12 | Buschel | wodz: the sim does everything it should (e.g. saving lastmodes etc). it just does not close. |
| 23:18:02 | wodz | Buschel: would you consider it 'right behaviour' if the dap saves lastmodes and stays on when shutting down? |
| 23:18:21 | Buschel | of course not. |
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| 23:19:49 | wodz | so IMO the right behaviour of the sim would be to kill its window on shutdown |
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| 23:22:32 | Buschel | no. the *right* behaviour would be to keep the window active and just switch off all underlying threads. it should be able to wake it up via pressing On-key. |
| 23:22:37 | liar | Buschel: current svn seems to work fine |
| 23:22:55 | Buschel | wodz: but the question is if we *want* to do this. |
| 23:23:15 | Buschel | liar: so, you might close the bug report? |
| 23:23:21 | wodz | Buschel: considering Raaa this should happen sooner or later |
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| 23:26:27 | wodz | hmm rockchip lcd controller seems to support hardware scaling |
| 23:28:04 | liar | Buschel: um.. how? |
| 23:28:47 | Buschel | liar: sorry, my fault. you do not have the right. I'll do it |
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| 23:29:35 | Buschel | liar: with which revision did oyu test? |
| 23:31:03 | liar | Buschel: r29299 |
| 23:31:41 | Buschel | thanks, done. |
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| 23:46:26 | pamaury | this is frightning: http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-oakland2010.pdf |
| 23:46:43 | pamaury | *frightening |
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