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#rockbox log for 2011-02-17

00:00:04bertrikI think they found some linux patch for this controller (or a similar one) somewhere
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00:03:37Stephen__afair pamaury has a copy of the linux driver also ?
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00:07:45pamauryyes I have a copy of the as3525v2 patch
00:10:03sideralpamaury: care to share it? and do you by chance know the answer to my SD power question?
00:10:52pamauryI know nothing about the sd part but yeah I can send it to you
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00:14:08sideralbertrik: Just for the record: Does your Clip+ have a background noise? (Perhaps only when accessing the external SD card?)
00:14:49bertriksideral, I haven't looked for it, but I don't notice any, I usually listen to my clip+ in noisy environments though
00:16:07sideralAh, just saw your register dump in FS #11915. Thanks for posting it, bertrik!
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08:28:15acidiccan anyone help me out with some rockbox and iloader setup?
08:28:44TheSevenacidic: that depends on what your problem is
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08:29:04TheSevenand if it's more iloader than rockbox related, you might want to ask it in #freemyipod-support instead
08:29:11abffsorry that nick was reg'd
08:29:35abffokay well I'll ask you guys, since I'm here now, and if it's their problem I'll make my way over there
08:29:55abffI've set my ipod which is running rockbox to turn off when idle for a certain period of time
08:30:11abffbut whenever I start it up again it goes through the bios and waits for me to select rockbox
08:30:18abffis there anyway I can have rockbox auto boot
08:30:46TheSevenyes, by using the "fastboot" iloader theme (which boots rockbox unless a button is held during boot)
08:31:20*TheSeven needs to check if he has a binary of that one somewhere
08:31:38abffgoogle isn't giving me very solid results
08:31:55abffif you could point me in the right direction I would be appreciative
08:32:41abffthank you very much
08:32:49abffdoes this work with all versions of iloader
08:33:00abffor should I modify it for my specific type of ipod
08:33:06TheSeventhere is only one version of iloader for the classic, so it should work
08:33:42abffdid I mention I was using an ipod classic or are you psychic
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08:34:44TheSeventhere are only two devices supported by iloader, and the percentage of nano2g owners using iloader is rather low
08:35:14[Saint]the ones that were use emCORE now ;)
08:35:21abffah there you go
08:35:25[Saint]the cool ones, anyway B)
08:35:49abffwell thank you for all of your help
08:38:25abffI'm sure in the morning I'll be more interested in the logistics of using rockbox across the many platforms it supports but tonight I just want a solution and to collapse
08:38:33abffA wonderful day to you all
08:38:36abffor evening
08:38:39abffwhich ever it may be
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09:06:49abffHey TheSeven, you still around?
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09:10:24abffOr anyone else who can help me, for that matter
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09:45:31 Join sideral [0] (~sideral@rockbox/developer/sideral) wants us to use their "monetizing" installer for Rockbox
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09:52:28Zagormy gut reaction is "hell no!"
09:52:43TheSevenabff: yea?
09:55:06n1slove the "how does it work" section on that site that actually does *not* say how it works :)
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09:56:08n1sor i can't read, seems like it "offers" users to install crapware/adware
09:56:20Zagorn1s: yeah. from what I undersand it's an installer wrapper that offers some toolbar or such before actually installing the software
09:56:22sideralmy impression as wel
09:57:01n1sZagor: i agree with your "hell no!" reaction then :)
09:57:13TheSevenand apparently they pay per use of that weird search engine and not per installation :)
09:57:45gevaertsZagor: "Sure. Can you provide the source so we can integrate it properly?"
09:58:24TheSevenand they nowhere really state how much they pay for what, so they're probably free to change that at any time as well
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09:59:25TheSevenoh, they're using *really* good captchas on their registration form:
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10:00:53TheSeven(on the contact form as well)
10:03:08TheSevenZagor: depending on how they contacted you, you might want to refer them to "Please note though that we have zero tolerance to spam or fraud." on their site :)
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10:03:35Zagorit was a personal mail that looked reasonably hand written
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10:05:57TheSevenZagor: maybe they force their "customers" to write such mails? :)
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10:43:02abffBah, sorry guys, fell asleep. Although I am a lot more sober now maybe this will help. Back when I was here looking for the fastboot for iLoader I took the zip you provided me and pasted that folder on to the iPod, replacing any files that conficted and restarted the system, to no avail. So either your fastboot config is broken on this hardware or I should probably just write my own. What should I do?
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10:44:26TheSevenabff: so how did it react?
10:44:32TheSevenit still just shows the menu after powering on?
10:44:48abffIt shows the same menu it showed when I first installed it
10:45:14abffSimilar to new iPod, lest on the left, iLoader with freemyipod logo on the right
10:45:47TheSevendid you let go of the button you pressed to power it on during the "emBIOS <whatever>" kernel boot screen?
10:45:56TheSeveni.e. before the menu came up?
10:46:53abffYep, it seems worthy to mention I am using one of the ipods rockbox does not support, however this is why I am using iLoader
10:48:26TheSevencan you re-download the file and re-extract it?
10:48:34TheSevenand also please make sure to safely eject the ipod
10:48:54abffI have both the nano default theme zip as well as the fastboot
10:49:10abffand I definitely have not been safetly ejecting it in the past
10:49:51abffIt's normal that I have to go into rockbox before accessing the drive, right?
10:50:43abffand there is a NORflash.bak file in the iLoader directory I've been ignoring for a while
10:50:54abffit didn't really seem to get in my way
10:51:02abffbut since I have your attention I may as well point it out
10:52:59abffall right, deleted the theme and cfg file, replaced them, then safetly removed and menu+sel until the kernel booted, let go and it went straight to the list I described earlier
10:53:15abffattempting a boot after selecting poweroff
10:53:25abffsame result
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10:55:38abffoh my
10:55:58abffI think I may have been using an older version of fastboot
10:57:02abffYep, success
10:58:14abffDid you update the fastboot zip on your site, or was the one you linked to me earlier the incorrect version?
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11:06:06TheSeven[10:49] <abff> It's normal that I have to go into rockbox before accessing the drive, right? << yes
11:06:50abffGreat, then I think all of my problems are solved
11:07:13TheSeven[10:50] <abff> and there is a NORflash.bak file in the iLoader directory I've been ignoring for a while << this file can help you if you completely trash the boot flash of your ipod, which should never happen, so backing it up to a safe place can't hurt. apart from that, you can delete it from the ipod
11:08:02TheSevenavoid rebooting using menu+select whenever possible
11:08:16abffHow else do I do it
11:08:17TheSeventhis physically hurts the hard drive, and may lead to data loss/corruption
11:08:25TheSevenshut it doen the regular way (hold play)
11:08:43TheSevenmenu+select is only needed if it doesn't respond any more for some reason
11:08:48abffYou learn something new every day
11:09:14abffIt's a very new device to me
11:11:15abffOkay if you're up for it I've got an out of the blue question I don't expect you to have an answer for
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11:13:01abffThe device seems to pick up menu button presses while scrolling. Is this a common defect/side effect of abuse and if it is, can it be mended?
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11:44:53abff2Just wanted to thank you again TheSeven, have a good day
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13:46:09sideraljhMikeS: Re ClipV2 background noise: I've posted a new AMSv2 audio/power-management settings dumper to FS #11915. Could you please use this new patch to dump the settings on your Fuze v2 again?
13:49:55literalbackground noise you say...I've been wondering whether my Clip+ background noise in rockbox will be eliminated sometime
13:51:22sideralliteral: Is your problem similar to the one described in FS #11907?
13:52:32sideralliteral: Could you please tell me which variant of the Clip+ you have? The hardware-info debug screen should report a AMSv2 variant ID under "submodel".
13:52:49literalI'll get back to you on that later today, since my Clip+ is at home
13:53:12sideralliteral: That's fine, thanks. You can post it to this tracker item.
13:53:17literalwill do
13:53:53sideralliteral: Just to confirm: You hear the noise only when the SD storage is accessed? Internal / external SD card?
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13:54:44literalI hear noise when accessing both internal and SD storage, I believe. Even when I'm just browsing the database
13:55:00sideralBut not during regular playback?
13:55:39literalI'm not sure. I'll try playing at a low volume to see if the noise is there
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13:57:07sideralAnd to answer your question: I'd like to eliminate those noises, but don't know whether I'll be able to. It would be helpful if someone with a JTAG's ClipV2 or Clip+ could do some readings with the OF...
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13:59:00sideralThanks! Please post your results... And if you feel really adventurous, it would be nice if you could run the audio/power-management settings dumper patch from FS #11915
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16:08:58*jhMikeS is sure getting some strange durations on some mp3s now (in WPS and file properties)
16:12:33jhMikeSthat or I never noticed before and I have some VBR files that RB never properly calculated (7 min file being read as 40 min, etc.)
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19:35:27CIA-70New commit by Buschel (r29323): Ensure proper initialization of some variables and arrays in metadata parsing. Fixes FS #11948.
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19:39:45CIA-70r29323 build result: 1291 errors, 486 warnings (Buschel committed)
19:40:15AlexPGood score :)
19:40:24pamaurywell done !
19:40:43gevaertshm, is this the same client that had the same problem the other day?
19:41:02pamaurythat's impressive givent that you only modified a .c file
19:41:04*gevaerts summons Zagor or Bagder to check this in the build system database
19:41:42gevaertsIt's the same symptoms anyway
19:41:45*Buschel wants to point out that the score is especially impressive as we are in a freeze phase :)
19:42:21gevaertsBuschel: only scores that are not caused by flaky build systems are counted!
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19:46:02Buschelthat was indeed a good one ;)
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19:49:46jhMikeSBuschel: Have you tried the DMA disable? I think disk DMA is not quite right on PP5020.
19:50:32BuscheljhMikeS: no, I did not try. Is there any reproducible issue or just the sporadic stuff?
19:51:01jhMikeSit's not sporadic on my H10, and the with the DMA turnoff, it's stable
19:51:40BuschelI only have a PP5022 device... maybe the issues are only "older" PP's?
19:52:52jhMikeSthe sporadic thing can be explained by alignment and the sector buffers will sometimes be aligned and sometimes not. I wonder if the controller is actually done writing to ram soon enough because then it's only one sector transferred which is then immediately used
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19:53:50jhMikeSMy only ATA PP502x is PP5020
19:54:31jhMikeSthere are quite a number of bugs conspiring. buffering itself should be well taken care of by now.
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19:55:45Buschelin fact the DMA stuff did not have *that* big effect on battery runtime. only the transfaer rates became a lot higher...
19:56:27jhMikeSskipping bugs seem to be races between the codec thread and the audio thread (mostly anyway). I did work something out by making the codec thread "dumb" and the problem I could reproduce goes away.
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20:08:40BuscheljhMikeS: a forum user (with iPod mini) also describes the known lock-up issues since he switched from 3.5 to 3.7.1. 3,5 was the last versio w/o ATA DMA.
20:11:21Buschelinteresting. I never recognozed this before. all open bug reports regarding freeze/lockup/static are reported for PP-targets...
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20:20:52jhMikeSBuschel: I have a wild guess that maybe beyond the drive interrupt, something else needs to be waited for in the controller (which explains sort transfer being more vulnerable since the data gets used sooner)
20:21:15jhMikeSs/sort transfer/short tranfers/
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20:25:55BuscheljhMikeS: another interesting fact -> some tasks report static noise when the playbac locked up. maybe something going wrong with the DMA for PCM vs. ATA?
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20:29:48jhMikeSthose DMA's are completely different modules
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20:34:53jhMikeSthat also doesn't explain the H10 blowing up during database commit and dircache scan (which I expect does a fair number of single-sector reads)
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20:50:20BuschelI just thought that there could be something messing up in DMA controller which also may affect the PCM transfer...
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20:58:54jhMikeSyeah, that would still hold true (corrupted transfer) :)
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21:00:34Buschela user reports the same (sporadic lock-up with or w/o static) with a nano 2g... not PP...
21:01:43Buschelreport = new comment to FS #11863
21:11:33jhMikeSI wonder if it's even the same issues for the two
21:12:23Buschelcould be interesting to provide builds that disable ATA DMA on PP502x...
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22:09:02lixxuswill 3.8 support toshiba gigabeat s installation via rockbox utility program ?
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22:13:44jhMikeSlixxus: if Mr. Someone does it
22:13:58gevaerts3.8 is too close
22:14:17gevaertsEven if someone implemented it today, I think it would be too risky to include
22:16:05TheSevenis the utility even tied to releases
22:16:18gevaertsnot directly, no
22:16:42TheSevenso one may just add that at any time, and the utility will install 3.8 or HEAD, depending on what you tell it
22:16:48gevaertsOh, and 3.8 won't include the gigabeats s anyway
22:17:00TheSevenright, it's not stable :)
22:17:09TheSevenany SD/MMC expert around?
22:17:13TheSevenbertrik? :P
22:17:17jhMikeSsomewhere around 6.0 I think
22:18:38TheSevenI have a problem that the "card" (a CE-ATA hard drive) seems to enumerate fine, but as soon as I try to read data from it (CMD 60: READ MULTIPLE REGISTERS), it fails with a CRC error and end bit errors on some data lines
22:18:57TheSevenam I correct that this may mean that the data lines are all dead and just CLK, CMD and maybe RES are working?
22:19:05TheSevenso could that be coming from a wrong GPIO setup?
22:19:56bertrikI don't know, but that sounds like a reasonable explanation
22:21:13TheSevenso the data lines aren't used at all during the typical init sequence?
22:23:18lixxusok the utility is independent of the release
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22:30:34bluebroth3rlixxus: Rockbox Utility has the problem that it (currently) assumes that the player to install has a drive letter.
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22:30:47bluebroth3rwhich is not true for the Gigabeat S until you installed the bootloader.
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22:32:03bluebroth3rlixxus: in fact you _can_ use Rockbox Utility with the Gigabeat S. The only problem is that you need to install the bootloader manually yourself first before you are able to configure Rockbox Utility for the beast (and you need to enable the "show disabled targets" option)
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22:35:23sideraljhMikeS: Did you have the chance to take a reading of the power-management regs on your FuzeV2?
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22:41:57jhMikeSnot yet, was finishing up on some other things, will do soon though
22:42:50sideraljhMikeS: I found an interesting difference in the configuration of Luca's FuzeV2
22:42:59sideraland would like to see if yours has it as well
22:43:13jhMikeSwhat was it?
22:43:26sideralhaven't verified yet whether it makes a difference on my ClipV2, yet −− will do that next
22:43:58jhMikeSmine's a "variant 0" btw
22:44:00sideralit's a difference in DCDC15
22:44:32sideralthe FuzeV2 apparently selects current feedback mode, where the Clips have voltage feedback mode
22:48:18sideralbut the datasheet says that current feedback mode only works with an external Zener diode. Let's see what happens when I enable that mode on my ClipV2. :)
22:48:28jhMikeSsmoke? :)
22:48:36sideralI guess!
22:49:00bertrikwasn't DCDC15 related to backlight voltage?
22:49:28sideralbertrik: could be.
22:49:42sideralbut any unstable voltage could generate that background noise, I think
22:50:00*jhMikeS goes to get the patch
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23:04:31*sideral 's Clip smokes!
23:06:07sideralHmm, that didn't help with the background noise. It just "dimmed" the OLED display
23:06:29sideralAnother dead end I guess :)
23:07:43jhMikeSstill want the dump?
23:08:48sideralyes, please!
23:10:06bluefoxxSo can anybody explain to me why the internal date/time on my Gigabeat S keeps resetting?
23:10:26bluefoxxAmusing as it is to see it proclaiming that it's 2003 again
23:12:05jhMikeSlosing battery?
23:12:57jhMikeSit shouldn't be resetting on its own (mine isn't)
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23:14:28bluefoxxBattery life isn't the greatest on the thing, but I'd figured there'd at least be an RTC battery like what most other devices have
23:14:49sideraljhMikeS, bertrik: Actually, when setting the DCDC15 and ISINK1 registers in the right order, the display doesn't dim. But the noise is still there anyway.
23:15:01bluefoxxAt least, I suppose, it's only dropping it back to '03 and not jumping into the future like my sansa did, or dropping into the 80s as I've had past devices do..
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23:15:25sideralbluefoxx: Maybe it's the RTC battery that's dead
23:15:34bluefoxxsideral: Does it have one then
23:15:44jhMikeSit doesn't have one
23:15:50bluefoxxThat'd do it then...
23:16:21jhMikeSthere is a few seconds of power for the RTC at most
23:17:05sideralbertrik: I don't know whether it has an RTC battery, that was just a guess
23:17:58*jhMikeS thinks he just made a whole build and forgot the logf enable :\
23:18:15bluefoxxI don't suppose that natively 4K sector-based disks are supported properly yet either :\
23:18:53sideraljhMikeS: you're not the first person to run into this. I should have put an #error for this case into my patch :)
23:18:55gevaertsbluefoxx: well, the ATA spec says those have to emulate 512 byte sectors if needed
23:19:04gevaertsSo if they're spec compliant, they will work
23:19:13jhMikeSsideral: yeah! good idea...too late lol :)
23:19:39jhMikeSthought that was only for reads
23:19:49gevaertsbluefoxx: of course, with the picky boot code on that particular player, who knows?
23:20:23jhMikeSor buy a proper drive!
23:21:04bluefoxxI outgrew my original 30GB drive and snagged on the cheap, but went through a nice long three days of hell trying to get it to cooperate.
23:21:06sideralbertrik, jhMikeS: My next theory for the bg noise is a flaky SD power. I've already tried disabling the initialization of SD low power mode in the SD driver, but it didn't help :(
23:22:04sideralThe as353x Linux patch hasn't been very helpful either for finding power-related settings (yet)
23:22:14bluefoxxIt finally works, but now I can barely get a half MB/s write to it
23:22:16jhMikeSmaybe somethings just clocked too fast
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23:22:50sideraljhMikeS: What could it be?
23:22:56bertrikI hope it isn't something as stupid as just leaving some analog input to the codec enabled
23:22:59jhMikeSi2c perhaps?
23:23:28jhMikeSbertrik: he said he checked that one
23:23:30sideralbertrik: No, I've exhaustively tested all mixer and dac settings
23:24:04sideralThere are indeed some funny things, but none of them affect the bg noise
23:25:04sideralFor example, there's a bug that line-in isn't muted until the first time the radio has been turned on and off :)
23:26:20bertrikoh nice
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23:27:11sideralFor a list of things I tried, see FS #11915
23:28:31sideraljhMikeS: I don't know enough about the platform yet to play with the clock settings
23:28:44jhMikeSI've never had my clipv1 be noisy again except after one time, which might have been either the realease of daily at the time I installed it
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23:29:03jhMikeS*release or daily
23:29:36sideraljhMikeS: Surely you have an entry in your experiments log book? ;) sells an "sd sniffer" which allows you to more easily probe the sd card pins, maybe we should get one of those to verify clocks/timing
23:29:42jhMikeSI figure if I can get it to come back, then maybe it say what gets rid of it
23:29:50jhMikeSsideral: oh, surely :)
23:31:05sideralbertrik: That sounds like a task for someone else. I'm a software guy :)
23:32:48sideraljhMikeS: bisect with daily builds?
23:33:08sideralor with git −− probably easier
23:33:53jhMikeSI'll bet there's a file or two with the date on the flash
23:35:19sideralBTW, I've actually been thinking about having Rockbox append the date and its version number to a file each time it starts up, precisely for the purpose of reconstructing what I've been running
23:36:04jhMikeSmy rbinstall has a .zip from 1/24/11
23:36:05sideralAnd yes, FS #11880 (Include git commit ID in version string) would help with that
23:36:59sideralYou mean you had the bg noise on a ClipV1 just one month ago?
23:37:44jhMikeSI had it once and because I remember being a quite ticked off going "wtf"? now, nada. :\
23:38:26jhMikeSbut yeah, that's when it happened
23:38:47*sideral checks the commit log
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23:40:12jhMikeSaright, I'll try it again with reset settings
23:42:41sideralRemember that the noise being audible can depend on which headphones you use
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23:43:39jhMikeSsame ones I always do
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23:52:57jhMikeSit's not doing it now either. it seemed it might have been when the battery level was getting low-ish (< 1/3 or so).
23:53:56jhMikeSI don't think I've let it drop like that since
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23:54:27sideralr29115 is a change in the vicinity of Jan 24 that has to do with frequencies. Perhaps that one triggered or cured your noise problem?
23:54:42jhMikeSeasy enough to try that anyway
23:54:51sideralah no, that's for gigabeat
23:55:13jhMikeSadding the manual frequency screen?
23:56:33sideralyou mean that change I mentioned? no, that had to do with boost calculation for multifrequency CPUs
23:56:50jhMikeSah, yes, I added that
23:57:10sideralcan the hw info frequency screen be used to fiddle with the frequencies?
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23:58:50jhMikeSit just displays the register settings

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