#rockbox 2011-02-23

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#rockbox log for 2011-02-23

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00:15:12	CIA-70	New commit by rmenes (r29382): Enable installation for the GoGear HDD16x0 and HDD63x0.
00:15:46	LambdaCalculus37	That last commit was for Rockbox utility. :)
00:19:06	CIA-70	r29382 build result: All green
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00:29:25	scorche	AlexP: Llorean: Torne: i am around now if there is something in particular that needs to be asked..
00:30:43	Llorean	scorche: What needs to be done so that someone (presumably AlexP) can add membergroups? Also, do the permissions relating to Karma (I think under membergroup permissions) allow positive karma mods only, and can membergroups be created to be applied based on Karma rather than post count?
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00:34:30	scorche	Llorean: i dont think membergroups can be based off of karma - it seems that positive karma mods only is possible per "Whether or not groups of members can smite others is controlled by a permission."
00:34:58	*	scorche wonders why we are interested in karma
00:35:25	Llorean	scorche: Thinking of removing postcount, but it might be nice to have a badge for people who've been around / been helpful
00:35:48	Llorean	If only positive karma is allowed, and the badge were awarded at a small amount (+5 or so) it'd make a relatively easy way to hand it out without having to have someone tasked to it constantly
00:36:04	Llorean	Basically anyone who's even moderately helpful soon automatically graduates into a "not a new member" status of whatever we call it.
00:36:08	scorche	Llorean: it would be nice to remove post count and just have something similar to how, say, the ubuntu forums display "rank"
00:36:23	Llorean	Looks like there may be mods for karma based membergroups
00:36:26	Llorean	How does Ubuntu handle it?
00:36:37	kugel	jhMikeS: hm strange
00:37:10	kugel	button_read_device is called a few couple times, but the queue_post() doesn't come through
00:37:12	JdGordon1	how do i put a local label in a arm macro?
00:37:18	scorche	well, they show the post count too, but they have an image of beans, coffee drinks, etc - i just pulled up a random thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588889
00:37:35	jhMikeS	kugel: you mean no message is posted?
00:37:38	scorche	Llorean: i suppose the question i should be asking is what is the problem we are trying to solve by doing this?
00:38:00	kugel	jhMikeS: if I wait few ms after calling main, then button_read_device is called a few times. but then even waiting a further 500ms isn't sufficient for the queue_post
00:38:28	kugel	waiting 1000ms works
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00:39:09	Llorean	scorche: Someone asked why it was enabled in the first place, and I told him that back when I was first reorganizing things I felt it should stay because to a minor degree, it can help indicate when someone might be more likely to know things (because they've been active) but that it might be nice to have some better way of determining active/helpful people
00:39:37	Llorean	And we started thinking in the direction of Karma, since being able to flag posts as "helpful" would do a similar job, but better, and "unhelpful" flags don't accomplish anything useful, so we could leave that aspect out entirely
00:39:56	Llorean	So rather than "post count" we rank on "useful post count"
00:40:15	kugel	jhMikeS: yes, I don'T see my MEDIA_BUTTON_PLAYPAUSE handled in default_event_handler()
00:40:56	jhMikeS	kugel: so the the "interrupt" isn't happening unless you wait long enough?
00:41:35	kugel	it is happening (queue_post is called), the message must get dropped somewhere if I don't wait long enough before even posting it
00:42:01	jhMikeS	is the queue overflowing?
00:42:44	kugel	hopefully not. is that likely/expected at startup?
00:43:36	jhMikeS	could happen at startup if buttons aren't read for long enough
00:45:40	jhMikeS	problem is, this sounds like the opposite problem...
00:45:55	kugel	what would be on the queue in this state?
00:46:12	kugel	it should have nothing (except perhaps BUTTON_NONE) IIUC
00:46:20	jhMikeS	in what state?
00:46:46	kugel	startup
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00:47:03	jhMikeS	once the tick starts calling button_read_device then it can start posting events
00:47:08	kugel	it probably takes a while until something calls button_get() but it shouldn't lose what's on the queue
00:47:39	kugel	that doesn't seem to work here
00:48:55	jhMikeS	make it with the KERNEL_ASSERT enabled, it should tell if the queue overflows
00:49:52	jhMikeS	I can't think of any other usual reason a queue_post could lose message
00:52:02	kugel	jhMikeS: I build with KERNEL_ASSERT, apparently. I'm using a -DDEBUG build
00:52:28	jhMikeS	some other call clearing out messages?
00:53:08	jhMikeS	if it's not an overflow, then they should be there
00:56:39	kugel	jhMikeS: oh indeed, something is calling button_clear_queue()
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00:59:50	kugel	jhMikeS: hah, main.c, a blatant call to it :) it's only for hosted platforms, I guess it can be removed
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01:02:13	*	jhMikeS suspected such
01:02:39	kugel	works alright now
01:02:45	jhMikeS	was amiconn talking about regular targets or just the hosted?
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01:05:19	*	jhMikeS can't seem to queue resume from the logo on a native build
01:05:48	kugel	he was talking about native
01:07:17	jhMikeS	does a native build have a button_queue_clear elsewhere only for that?
01:07:43	kugel	I didn't see one, and queue resume worked when I tried a few minutes ago
01:07:56	kugel	my build wasn't the latest but not too out of date either
01:13:22	jhMikeS	hmmm...seems to not work on gigabeats but fuzev2 and e200 are fine :\
01:14:16	jhMikeS	H10 does it
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01:35:01	CIA-70	New commit by jethead71 (r29383): Gigabeat S: Smoother bootup. Don't do full drive reset at boot since it's not really a coldstart. Seems to work alright in both the bootloader and ...
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01:43:27	pixelma	jhMikeS: HD vs. flash targets?
01:44:01	pixelma	though the H10 doesn't fit
01:45:43	jhMikeS	Fit into what, my shoe? H10 queued the resume just fine too.
01:46:39	pixelma	into the theory that flash targets are fine and HD ones are not
01:47:18	jhMikeS	yeah but H10 _does it_ and flash targets don't do it
01:48:41	*	pixelma gives up
01:48:45	jhMikeS	nothing works on the beast, the beast works on it
01:48:59	jhMikeS	first time I heard you say that :)
01:49:36	pixelma	huh, it might help to specify "it"
01:53:57	jhMikeS	the "it" is the queued resume from the logo−− pressing the resume button before reaching the main menu and having it resume (and what amiconn said no longer worked)
01:56:01	jhMikeS	the 2nd "it" being "the player under test", of which a few were checked, in previous remarks.
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02:10:57	CIA-70	New commit by kugel (r29384): Android: ...
02:11:21	sptruse	anybody out there?
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02:12:54	CIA-70	New commit by rmenes (r29385): Rockbox Utility: Move the USB ID for the HDD16x0 into the right place.
02:13:46	sptruse	i haz question
02:14:22	LambdaCalculus37	bluebroth3r: Think we should release a new Rockbox Utility version soon?
02:14:39	CIA-70	r29384 build result: All green
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02:33:54	Roasted	Hey guys. Ever since I installed Rockbox on my mp3 player, if I go into regular mode on my Sandisk Sansa Fuze, I see about 3 of the 80 bands I have listed. Is it expected that if you install Rockbox, you SHOULDNT be using regular mode for anything? Because Rockbox mode works fine. However, I'm not sure if I want to use it, because regular mode shows onboard memory + micro sd card items in the SAME batch. Rockbox splits it. :(
02:35:24	krazykit	if you use the database, the the onboard and SD files won't be split like in the directory browser
02:35:37	Roasted	hm, the database...
02:35:58	Roasted	will I have to store the files differently?
02:36:06	Roasted	or will I do everything as I did before?
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02:38:33	krazykit	the manual should explain how to you use the database. you shouldn't have to do anything special
02:38:36	Roasted	hm I think I got a hold of it now. just rebooting it.
02:38:51	Roasted	krazykit, question unrelated to rockbox itself. What media player do you use for managing your portable devices?
02:39:09	Roasted	I'm having quite a time finding one that works without me obtaining a headache. I seem to have different, but small issues on all different players.
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02:50:03	krazykit	Roasted, i don't use any special software.
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03:14:04	Roasted	oh wow. I need my actual songs to be ID tagged for the DB to see them?
03:14:13	Roasted	It won't just list what it finds there but insteads labels each one as "untagged"
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03:26:55	krazykit	Roasted, well, the whole point of the database is to use the metadata, so yes.
03:27:32	Roasted	yeah I have a lot of homework ahead of me
03:27:35	Roasted	I only ever used artist tags
03:27:45	Roasted	not thinking it's worth it... the last system worked fine... thanks though
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03:38:54	Roasted	also, is music - scan removable media supposed to do anything? cause it doesn't appear to do much of anything on my end.
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03:39:46	LambdaCalculus37	Hmmm, strange... my HDD1630 isn't being seen by OS X when I hook it via USB while in Rockbox.
03:39:56	Roasted	oh wow
03:39:58	Roasted	wrong chat, lol
03:40:00	Roasted	ignore the last msg
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06:14:08	nirv	any way to get the Monster iCarPlay Wireless 200 car adapter working with the ipod video? Every rockbox version so far basically becomes unusable when plugging it in using any options
06:15:11	saratoga	probably not, if it doesn't work, its usually because the device uses some protocol thats not yet reverse engineered
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07:43:47	amiconn	jhMikeS: I've been talking about native targets only. Queueing resume (or other actions) used to work on all targets. Now it doesn't anymore
07:45:39	*	amiconn should probably try it on all his various targets; it may help tracking down the bug
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10:16:25	CIA-70	New commit by dave (r29386): Add missing SVN properties
10:16:55	linuxstb	kugel_: There are lots of files you've added to SVN without any properties set...
10:19:57	CIA-70	r29386 build result: All green
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10:22:29	pixelma	linuxstb: git users they said...
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10:23:03	linuxstb	pixelma: That's no excuse...
10:23:22	pixelma	I think so too but
10:23:36	nirv	i want to see (r29387): Add support for Monster iCarPlay Wireless 200 for iPod Video G5.
10:24:58	pixelma	people can only work on hardware they have
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10:30:29	markun	I changed the balance setting to be in dB instead of %. Does anyone else think this is a good idea?
10:31:42	n1s	markun: sounds sensible, is the setting in 0.1dB steps (centibels(?))?
10:32:37	markun	n1s: I had that at first, but changed it to 0.5 now. I don't know what the max resolution of most audio hardware is.
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10:39:15	markun	n1s: I only changed it for the as3514 in my clip+ and apperently the smallest steps are 1.5dB ..
10:46:57	n1s	ah, maybe the stepsize should be depending on the capability of the hw then, i just thought 1dB steps would be a bit coarse
10:51:29	markun	Actually it didn't sound too bad with 1dB steps. I will do some more testing. Too bad that the balance might jump a bit when changing the volume.
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12:59:08	linuxstb	markun: I'm not sure about your balance change. Isn't it more normal/useful to measure balance in terms of a percentage?
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13:25:54	markun	linuxstb: I made that change after talking to someone who had a few dB less hearing in one ear. He complained that the balance doesn't stay constant when the volume is changed in rockbox.
13:26:08	markun	not sure how it's done in other elsewhere
13:27:24	linuxstb	markun: Ah, so he wants one channel constantly xdB louder than the other, rather than a percentage louder?
13:28:22	funman	i think dfkt is using the balance this way (less hearing on one ear), you could ask him for advice
13:28:53	markun	funman: yes, it was dfkt I was talking to :)
13:30:19	markun	in such a case, if you own more than one rockbox device it's nice if you can just have the same setting everywhere
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13:45:37	LinusN	mshathlonxp: scan radio stations
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14:29:51	mouren	Hello, I have just done battery bench on my Fuzev1. What I need to do to be accepted as wiki editor, so I can add new benchmark result?
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14:31:04	pixelma	you already did the right thing and came here. What is your wiki user name?
14:31:32	pixelma	mouren: ^
14:31:37	mouren	TomaszCetnarowski
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14:37:30	pixelma	you actually should be allowed to edit now but it looks like your registration isn't finished completely - it seems to be broken since a recent wiki software update. I'm trying to find out if there's a way to help you from my side
14:38:13	pixelma	[Saint]: what was it - creating the user name page by hand? And what about permissions?
14:38:31	pixelma	(in case you have a few minutes)
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14:42:47	mouren	I have already find out that my user page is empty, I started to looking for an example
14:43:50	mouren	but good to know that it should automaticaly fill it with some content
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14:49:31	[Saint]	pixelma: I found it sufficient to create the page by hand, then import the default user template thing, and fill in the username.
14:50:01	[Saint]	then when I passed it off to the user, his login automagically worked.
14:50:31	pixelma	if you have some time, maybe you could help out mouren here (TomaszCetnarowski), please? :)
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14:51:32	[Saint]	I'll have a look now.
14:52:08	mouren	[Saint]: I've already tried to look for default user template, but I failed, can you guide me where to look for it?
14:52:13	mouren	Okay.
14:53:18	[Saint]	can you please log out of the wiki page Thomasz
14:53:27	[Saint]	I cannot edit it and fix it if you're trying to.
14:54:00	[Saint]	oh, hmmm...nevermind.
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14:55:26	[Saint]	mouren: are you Tomasz Cetnarowski?
14:55:36	mouren	um, I can't find any "logout"
14:55:39	[Saint]	If so, can you please try log in to your wiki page now.
14:55:57	mouren	Ok, one moment
14:56:05	[Saint]	just leave the page, then you should be able to sign in and edit your profile.
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14:57:00	mouren	Alright, I have a form to fill now on my page
14:57:10	[Saint]	excellent.
14:57:20	[Saint]	you should be able to edit that, and other pages now.
14:57:34	[Saint]	good luck, thankyou for contributing, don't break our wiki ;)
14:57:45	mouren	ofcourse, thanks for your help ;)
14:58:00	[Saint]	No worries.
14:58:05	[Saint]	pixelma: all done.
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17:33:27	gbl08ma	CIA-70 says r29387 build result is all green but I see lots of reds on http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi on the Revision table.
17:34:09	gbl08ma	I can't compile my trunk either. It seems it only compiles correctly on targets without MPEG-player - or am I seeing wrong?
17:34:22	gevaerts	You're looking at the delta table
17:35:22	gbl08ma	so, the problem is on my code modifications? it's strange because i never touched the playback nor MPEG player codes.
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17:35:53	gbl08ma	it compiled fine r29380 yesterday.
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17:37:20	gevaerts	Either that or your build directory is messed up
17:37:47	gevaerts	Did you re-run configure without make clean first?
17:38:06	gbl08ma	I just made a "make reconf" before compiling this, because yesterday it warned me to do so. i have done make reconf many times without problems.
17:38:08	gbl08ma	no i didn't re-run configure
17:38:17	gbl08ma	perhaps that's the problem.
17:38:19	jhMikeS	you have to make clean because the dependencies will be wrong after moving files
17:38:57	gbl08ma	from r29380 to 29387 any files were moved?
17:39:41	jhMikeS	I moved libmpeg2 files to a subdir in mpegplayer which requires a clean build or mpegplayer won't make
17:40:20	jhMikeS	r29381
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17:47:41	gbl08ma	I did make clean && make reconf && make and now I'm waiting.
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17:53:55	gbl08ma	now it compiled. Thanks for your help. Next time I won't forget to do make clean before building.
17:55:34	Torne	well you don't often actually need to make clean
17:55:46	Torne	only a small set of possible changes require it, the rest of the time the makefile will do the right thing
17:55:57	Torne	if your computer is fast enough that building from clean isn't a problem, though, then hey
17:57:11	gbl08ma	i know i don't need to clean the build directory every time, I meant that next time it returns errors while compiling i'll do a make clean first.
17:58:02	gbl08ma	before asking for help
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18:25:59	kugel	grr
18:26:37	kugel	I have dynamic system statusbar toggling on android almost working; but there's a brief "flash" when it's enabled
18:27:09	kugel	flash as in the rockbox UI is shifted down for a split second (then shifted up again by a call I make)
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20:41:48	n1s	AlexP: sould people add stuff they fixed to the list in the release notes?
20:43:47	mshathlonxp	despite reading manual I can't understand what "presplit gap" value affects, can someone explain it to me?
20:44:54	pixelma	I believe it's one of the settings for triggered recording, got to look it up
20:45:59	pixelma	there's also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TriggerManual#Presplit_gap
20:46:25	kugel	thomasjfox: ping
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20:47:24	AlexP	n1s: Certainly, please everyone add/remove/change/fix etc.
20:47:38	AlexP	I got a bit bored :)
20:47:57	mshathlonxp	pixelma yeah, in ipod's manual is exactly the same txt
20:48:06	n1s	AlexP: ah, found the task i was thinking of in the big text dump, i'll just pull it out and fix the style
20:48:23	mshathlonxp	and I still don't understand for what is this setting :D
20:48:43	AlexP	n1s: That is one of the things I got bored doing, hence the non-formatted dump :)
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20:53:24	pixelma	mshathlonxp: if I understand correctly it's similar to the stop hold setting, just that it'll split the recording (close current file and start a new). You set a duration in which the volume needs to below the set threshold to make sure it doesn't trigger on each and every peak
20:54:06	mshathlonxp	yeah, I started to think similarly
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20:54:29	mshathlonxp	looks like there's no better way than learning rockbox than by translating it :)
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20:56:34	kugel	pixelma: I guess it hasn't been written with potential scrolling in mind. it doesn't scroll on my phone
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20:59:10	pixelma	possibly - and it's not a very big problem as it fits in portrait mode on my phone too. A fix would be nice for correctness I think though
20:59:41	kugel	ping dionoea about the widget :)
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21:04:33	n1s	AlexP: i did the things i was invloved in now :)
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21:19:08	dionoea	kugel: hi. Sorry, I haven't had a look yet :/ I'll give it a try in a few minutes
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21:28:42	dionoea	kugel: Ah cool :) your latest commit is awesome!
21:34:56	kugel	dionoea: it is?
21:35:31	kugel	ah yea, you probably mean the second point
21:35:51	dionoea	indeed
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21:41:50	*	TheSeven is experiencing some rather nasty playback/buffering oddities today
21:42:09	TheSeven	some might be coming from HDD/FAT driver problems, but some others certainly can't, and are probably present in 3.8RC as well
21:43:05	TheSeven	i have a ~30 minute track, which can be fully buffered into RAM, and set the repeat mode to "one"
21:43:51	TheSeven	it rarely ever survives two iterations of it before there is either a glitch, dropout, random skip or even kernel lockup
21:44:57	TheSeven	and also drive spinup/down seems to be errativ
21:45:00	TheSeven	erratic*
21:45:23	gbl08ma	perhaps it has something to do with FS #11863? just suggesting... does it also happen when playing shorter tracks (4~5 mins)?
21:45:37	gbl08ma	and only while in "repeat one" mode?
21:45:43	TheSeven	a spindown between each track being buffered, but a spinup on things like opening the WPS context menu or browsing through folders, even though dircache is enabled
21:46:29	TheSeven	gbl08ma: playing several smaller tracks of an album seems to work comparatively well, but actively skipping around causes lots of trouble, which might be coming from the fat/storage layer though
21:46:45	gevaerts	TheSeven: I don't think the playback system is smart enough to reuse that same RAM buffer over and over without rebuffering
21:47:00	TheSeven	oh, and things like changing the volume sometimes seem to cause disk spinups
21:47:07	TheSeven	something can't be quite right with that
21:47:18	gbl08ma	well it looks like it has everything to do with HDD driver, it doesn't match much with the bug I suggested.
21:47:19	n1s	gevaerts: it definitely isn't
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21:47:59	TheSeven	gevaerts: I happened to be in the buffering debug screen while one of the fuckups happened, and saw that at the beginning of one playback iteration, it had like ~2MB useful of ~30MB buffered
21:48:30	TheSeven	that then ran down until near-zero, spun up the drive, skipped back to the beginning of the track, and rebuffered it multiple times, until the buffer was full
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21:49:06	TheSeven	like a minute after that (without me touching anything) the kernel froze, and audio output started looping the last DMA chunk
21:49:22	TheSeven	(which is the expected behavior if DMA IRQs aren't handled any more)
21:49:30	amiconn	"Repeat one" just buffers the same track again and again, like it would handle "repeat all" with a one-track playlist
21:49:45	bertrik	I wonder sometimes whether we should unit-test stuff in rockbox
21:50:10	TheSeven	also skipping between is very sluggish, seems like the PCM buffer has to run out before anything happens or something
21:50:23	amiconn	Crossfade enabled?
21:50:31	TheSeven	nope
21:50:51	dionoea	kugel: you were getting the stop button all the time right?
21:51:11	TheSeven	and also there is some weird behavior with playback jumping into the middle of tracks sometimes, but that might actually be one of sideral's features
21:51:15	kugel	what do you mean?
21:51:27	dionoea	kugel: in the KeyEvent.
21:51:34	dionoea	well not stop button but stop event
21:51:43	dionoea	or keycode (or whatever)
21:52:04	TheSeven	any idea why navigating through the directory tree always spins up the drive? (and locks up the gui until the drive is accessible)
21:52:46	kugel	dionoea: I think it was prev in some other combination
21:53:10	dionoea	I'm getting next
21:53:18	pamaury	TheSeven: this is strange since the browser reads the directory once and cache the result iirc
21:53:19	kugel	anyway, whatever the exact button was, it was always the same
21:53:32	dionoea	hum, in the logs: 22:44 < kugel> no, the keycode is wrong (always stop button)
21:53:53	TheSeven	pamaury: even going back to the parent directory with dircache enabled spins up the disk
21:54:19	pamaury	hum, this is really strange, that defeats the whoel purpose of dircache :)
21:54:25	kugel	dionoea: yea, but with a (slightly) different code I got some other button
21:54:32	dionoea	ah ok
21:54:48	kugel	I couldn't spot a pattern
21:55:46	dionoea	weird. I'm still getting next although i removed all references to KEYCODE_MEDIA* in the source.
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21:56:22	TheSeven	arrrrrr... even scrolling in a list spins up the drive!
21:56:32	TheSeven	ideas?
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21:56:53	pamaury	I'm looking at it but that could be anything
21:56:53	kugel	dionoea: next for all buttons you press?
21:56:59	dionoea	yes
21:57:40	kugel	I thought it perhaps has something to do with the time events are instantiated in
21:57:49	pamaury	but afaik, the list is displayed using the list gui control, but created once, so scrolling shouldn't do anything !
21:58:30	TheSeven	the only thing i could imagine would be storage idle notifys being spammed all around, and the spinups then being caused by the settings layer
21:58:44	kugel	all are created at the same time, at widget update time, not at button press time. perhaps the system confuses the keyevents
21:59:33	kugel	I didn't see a possibility to make it create them at button press time
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22:01:23	dionoea	I don't think that you can. PendingIntents are only created at layout creation time as far as I can tell
22:01:45	pixelma	TheSeven: voice enabled? Although it still shouldn't spin up the drive with dircache enabled I think
22:02:37	Dreamxtreme	I keep getting data aborts when i goto the database page
22:02:44	Dreamxtreme	on 3.8RC
22:04:46	TheSeven	pixelma: nope
22:05:25	*	Strife89 throws out http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27302.0.html to Fuze enthusiasts.
22:07:02	pamaury	TheSeven: just stumbled on this in apps/tree.c:
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22:07:10	gevaerts	Dreamxtreme: which target? Have you checked the filesystem?
22:07:11	pamaury	if (button && !IS_SYSEVENT(button))
22:07:12	pamaury	storage_spin();
22:07:12	pamaury	no idea what it means ;)
22:07:28	TheSeven	that means something nasty :/
22:07:43	Dreamxtreme	gevaerts Ipod video
22:08:06	Dreamxtreme	and before 3.8RC it was fine
22:08:08	casainho	pamaury: hello :-) −− how is going imx233 port?
22:08:51	TheSeven	pamaury: indeed, storage_spin() is called for every step of clickwheel movement in file browsers
22:08:58	TheSeven	any idea what this is good for?
22:09:08	pamaury	casainho: I've progressed a bit in the fuze+ disassembly but to be honest I've been quite busy. However, I'm in the process of buying a fuze+ so it will motivate me :) And you ?
22:09:13	dionoea	kugel: could it be due to the (KeyEvent) cast ? (it seems to work fine when you use it after creating the intent in the widget code but you never know)
22:09:28	TheSeven	gevaerts: what's the exact semantics of storage_spin()?
22:09:31	pamaury	TheSeven: I did the hard job: why how :) Now you need to find why ?
22:09:35	gevaerts	TheSeven: no idea
22:09:49	TheSeven	is there any documentation on that kind of thing?
22:09:55	casainho	pamaury: I just stoped, because I don't have enough knowledge to develop bootloader for imx233.
22:10:07	TheSeven	also storage_spindown vs. storage_close?
22:10:07	mshathlonxp	what does do function "Recursively Insert Directories" ?
22:10:10	casainho	pamaury: I am beginner in firmware
22:11:02	TheSeven	hm, judging from other storage drivers, ata_spin is intended to reset the idle timeout, but not actually spin the drive if it isn't spinning yet
22:11:10	TheSeven	very clever naming :/
22:11:24	pamaury	casainho: starting with a bootloader is indeed quite a task :) Hopefully, in the case of the fuze+, we can reuse the bootloader of the OF, which does the memory init for example
22:11:57	casainho	pamaury: and, I were told that Adafruit Industries (Lady Ada) will develop and sell an OpenSource DAP. They already sell a Chubmy Hacker board with imx233, I hope they use imx233 for their OpenSource DAP ;-)
22:12:07	TheSeven	so it seems to be like this:
22:12:13	TheSeven	ata_spindown: set spindown timeout
22:12:13	AlexP	mshathlonxp: If you add a directory to a playlist then it will also add all subdirectories (and their subdirectories etc.)
22:12:39	TheSeven	ata_sleep: schedule an asynchronous spindown
22:12:50	casainho	pamaury: my problem now is the imx233 tools to make a SB file... I can't make a SB file from Rockbox ELF file :-(
22:12:53	TheSeven	ata_sleepnow: synchronously spin down, but also call the idle callbacks before
22:12:56	pamaury	very nice naming ;) So I didn't slove you problem
22:13:09	TheSeven	ata_spin: reset the idle timeout, but don't actually spin up
22:13:59	pamaury	casainho: you need the elftosb tool I guess, but it can expect a precise layout. I already wrote a "sbtoelf" for rockbox, but I plan to write a custom "elftosb" too because relying on closed source code is bad
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22:15:41	pamaury	TheSeven: so this code means to reset the idle timeout ?
22:23:08	saratoga	bertrik: I've wanted (and I think I proposed as a GSOC project one year) a way to do testing of the buffering code on PC via an external script of operations (e.g. start track 1, skip 10 seconds, enqueue playlist, ...)
22:23:21	TheSeven	pamaury: apparently yes
22:23:36	TheSeven	it wants to keep the disk spinning if it's spinning, but not spin it up if it isn't spinning
22:23:56	TheSeven	i've fixed the interpretation of that function in my driver now, let's see if things get better
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22:25:16	stripwax	with a bit of logging in pictureflow, it seems it reads pfraw files way too often. specifically, seems to want to reload the same ones over and over in some cases. i'll dig in but it certainly could explain why it seems dog slow on ipod video
22:25:36	TheSeven	woah, rockbox is way more responsive now
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22:26:13	pamaury	TheSeven: so the problem was that you misinterpretation of the names ?
22:26:16	casainho	pamaury: I don't have knowledge to understand why closed source elftosb tool doesn't work with Rockbox bootloader ELF file... at least, that Opensource version you plan to wrote, I would be able to try understand the sources or even ask help to you ;-)
22:26:43	Strife89	saratoga: Fixin' to post a reply for the friend; all he has for Net access at the moment is a PS3.
22:26:44	pamaury	casainho: you have tried the closed source one but it didn't work ?
22:26:46	Strife89	Here
22:26:55	Strife89	's hoping it really is just a loose cable
22:27:09	casainho	pamaury: yes
22:27:19	saratoga	Strife89: i'd carefully open the player and see if the ribbon fell out of the connector
22:27:24	amiconn	pamaury, TheSeven: The storage_spin() for button presses isn't nasty at all. It is deliberate and implements desirable behaviour
22:27:31	saratoga	be aware though that if you pull the ribbon out by accident you can rip it very easily
22:27:43	saratoga	and its very hard to get back in place (i had to use tweasers)
22:27:48	TheSeven	amiconn: it's actually the function name that's nasty, as it leads to severe misinterpretations
22:27:48	pamaury	I think there is a verbose option (-v) which allows you to see what elftosb does (a little bit) but the problem could be pretty much anywhere
22:27:58	casainho	pamaury: hey, it works with costum code generated from a Makefile, example code from Chumby, blink LED code
22:28:01	amiconn	It keeps the disk spinning if it already is spinning as long as the user keeps mashing buttons
22:28:14	amiconn	How so?
22:28:31	TheSeven	storage_spin suggests that it spins up the disk if it isn't spinning
22:29:02	amiconn	It doesn't say spinup...
22:29:19	TheSeven	so there is basically no way to spin it up from "userland" code in preparation for something, without issueing an actual access?
22:29:33	pamaury	casainho: I don't follow, it works with an example code but not with your code ?
22:29:34	amiconn	nope
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22:30:23	amiconn	storage_spin() has been called like this (apart from renaming the first part from ata_ to storage_) for many years
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22:30:47	casainho	pamaury: it works with my example blink LED code running from external SDRAM (code borrow from Chumby) BUT it don't work with the same code as compiled to be Rockbox bootloader
22:31:25	casainho	pamaury: elftosb gives some error while trying to create sb file, using Rockbox bootloader elf file
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22:31:57	pamaury	casainho: can you paste those errors on pastebin or something ?
22:32:49	saratoga	perhaps "storage_cont_spin" would be more clear to someone unfamiliar with the code?
22:33:25	pamaury	we don't want clear naming ! unclear naming rules !!!! ;)
22:33:46	*	amiconn dislikes functions_which_bear_their_entire_description_as_part_of_their_name(void)
22:34:07	saratoga	its just 5 extra characters
22:34:16	saratoga	not too ridiculously java-like IMO
22:34:34	stripwax	storage_keep_spinning
22:34:43	pamaury	storage_rtfm_1() ;)
22:34:47	stripwax	ha
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22:44:57	dionoea	kugel: http://pastie.org/1599751 (based on your previous patch)
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22:50:51	saratoga	really not that far from having them working
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22:52:20	dionoea	this seems to be known: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=863
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23:05:43	saratoga	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes38
23:05:48	saratoga	i just added about a dozen things to this
23:05:52	saratoga	but we're probably missing a lot
23:06:04	saratoga	if you worked on rockbox these past few months be sure to update it with what you did
23:08:17	saratoga	i guess i'll mail the committers list
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23:10:37	gevaerts	saratoga: why not -dev?
23:10:55	saratoga	i think more people pay attention to committers
23:11:03	pixelma	saratoga: 2MB of RAM ;)
23:11:11	saratoga	?
23:11:13	gevaerts	That's not what -committers is for
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23:12:15	pixelma	saratoga: that's the amount of RAM the supported hwcodec players have
23:12:18	saratoga	ah
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23:12:22	saratoga	i thought 1 MB for some reason
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23:18:54	kugel	dionoea: what did the first one diffently?
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23:19:06	kugel	anyway, if the second one works, great
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23:20:42	kugel	thomasjfox: did you see my message?
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23:20:55	thomasjfox	kugel: no. let me check the logs
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23:21:28	thomasjfox	kugel: except the ping, I ponged you back ;)
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23:23:04	kugel	thomasjfox: I had a quick go at the statusbar thingy. it works, apart from a brief shift-down of the UI I don't know how to fix (likely android-related). and I find it a bit awkward to see the android statusbar in rockbox
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23:24:03	kugel	thomasjfox: let me push it
23:24:07	thomasjfox	kugel: :)
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23:29:24	amiconn	thomasjfox: (in case you didn't know yet) Apparently you can call native gcc, as etc by using 'host-gcc', 'host-as' etc
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23:29:51	amiconn	This may help speeding up the build process (iirc 'configure' has variables for the host tools as well)
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23:30:31	amiconn	Eh, I'm talking about scratchbox, in case that was unclear ;)
23:30:59	kugel_	amiconn: IIRC prefixes the cross tools, and assumes plain gcc is for the host
23:31:12	thomasjfox	amiconn: I already guess that. Or you are watching my repo and found out about by new pet project I just commited a minute ago...
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23:31:27	amiconn	kugel_: ...which is not true for maemo scratchbox
23:31:44	*	amiconn certainly isn't watching any git repo
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23:31:53	thomasjfox	amiconn: good :)
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23:32:05	kugel_	amiconn: I know
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23:32:34	thomasjfox	amiconn: I guess it won't make much of a speed difference, gcc and others are just a symlink in scratchbox
23:32:50	thomasjfox	kugel: Your implementation is quite modular already
23:32:52	gevaerts	thomasjfox: it will
23:33:03	gevaerts	thomasjfox: the point is that the resulting binaries won't be emulated
23:33:18	kugel	thomasjfox: yea, I had maemo in my mind :)
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23:34:03	*	kugel still thinks the fast build would still to not build under scratchbox in the first place :)
23:34:34	thomasjfox	gevaerts: thanks, now I get it
23:34:41	kugel	IIUC scratchbox is meant as a convinience environment to build stuff that's not cross compiling aware. that's not the case for us
23:34:45	thomasjfox	amiconn: Might be worth a try
23:35:27	amiconn	Everything is loop-mounted and symlinked in scratchbox. Imo it's a royal mess compared to the rockbox cross-compilation environment (which supports more architectures)...
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23:36:23	thomasjfox	kugel: How did you switch between fullscreen and status bar mode in your tests?
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23:36:37	thomasjfox	kugel: Oh let me guess, via the settings menu? ;)
23:36:58	kugel	thomasjfox: yea
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23:37:34	kugel	apparently you need to select rockbox_failsafe as the sbs in order to make the statusbar setting (where off, top and bottom are in) to have any effect
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23:37:52	kugel	with my patch there's should be also OS statusbar in that menu
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23:45:06	thomasjfox	kugel: I'll give it a try the next days, probably tomorrow
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23:47:41	thomasjfox	does anyone know how to get multiple logical AND/OR combinations in the shell right: http://pastie.org/1600037 ?
23:48:38	kugel	thomasjfox: in my experience, you don't :)
23:48:51	casainho	pamaury: I sent you an e-mail, did you saw?
23:49:31	thomasjfox	kugel: Gosh. Then I have to copy those SDL include lines a third time :o)
23:50:19	kugel	thomasjfox: I suspect there is a way but I haven't found it
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