#rockbox 2011-02-24

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#rockbox log for 2011-02-24

00:01:15	kugel	saratoga: -committers really isn't the right list for that
00:02:08	kugel	how come you think people pay less attention on -dev?
00:03:16	saratoga	well i don't read it unless someone points me to something on it
00:04:18	kugel	if you keep putting random stuff on -committers it'll be the same
00:04:47	kugel	-dev is quite low traffic, I pay very much attention to it
00:04:56	saratoga	i don't mind getting lots of mail, i just don't see much useful stuff on dev, and since its public i don't want to use my main email address on it
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00:05:59	gevaerts	So -committers was the appropriate list for this just because -dev is inconvenient for you, regardless of what other people think?
00:07:08	saratoga	i thought both were equally appropriate, so I used the one i thought most people followed
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00:09:57	kugel	saratoga: you yourself sent lots of mails which explains what -committers is for. I don't believe you know confuse the two
00:10:04	kugel	or can't believe
00:11:39	pamaury	casainho: just see it, I'll have a look
00:13:38	mt	It's not inappropriate imho. The way I see it is that release notes are mostly filled by committers, so -committers and -dev are both equally good for such a reminder.
00:14:08	kugel	-dev is not -users, -dev is for developers
00:14:23	gevaerts	-committers is for confidential matters
00:14:24	kugel	-committers is clearly for internal affairs
00:15:23	Llorean	mt: The point of the committers list was for when something, for some reason, needs to not immediately be public.
00:15:29	pamaury	casainho: I don't know much about elftosb syntax, this error doesn't make sense to me, I'm sorry. Perhaps it has to do with the "load ... > addr", why do you need this explicit address ?
00:16:31	Llorean	Ideally the committers list basically shouldn't end up being needed, almost ever.
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00:18:02	pixelma	and I thought it was confidential so far or at least not advertised ;)
00:18:36	gevaerts	pixelma: what was? :)
00:18:45	Llorean	It's been mentioned in the channel a few times that I can remember. Just not talked about often.
00:18:48	casainho	pamaury: I load and call first, to IRAM, the "system_init" code, that enables clock @ 454MHz and enable external SDRAM
00:18:48	pixelma	something
00:19:03	mt	Alright, point made clear. It's just that I thought of it as equally suitable for stuff that "don't have to be public" as those that "must not be public. But apparently I was wrong.
00:19:08	mt	gevaerts: "it"
00:19:46	casainho	pamaury: right after, it "load rockbox_bootloader > 0x41F00000;", loads rb bootloader to external SDRAM!
00:19:55	gevaerts	In this sort of project things should be public unless there's a good reason against it
00:20:24	mshathlonxp	what is "File browser discovered the boot file was changed"?
00:20:26	*	mt agrees.
00:20:48	mt	casainho: You are working on the mini2440, right ?
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00:21:01	Llorean	mt: gevaerts basically has it right. Because we want the project to be "open" as well as "open source", everything should be thought of as "should be public" unless there's a very strong reason not to talk about it on a public list (such as protecting someone's personal information, or what not)
00:21:33	pamaury	casainho: but why this explicit address ? I think rockbox is already linked with a preferred address that you can specify, so I'm not sure you need this explicit address; anyway, I'm no really sure this is the cause
00:21:34	casainho	mt: no, no more. I am working on imx233 board: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/lyre-protoype-finished
00:22:34	casainho	pamaury: I just took that from example code that loads linux image file to external SDRAM... I am not sure it should be like that for RB bootloader... I don't have knowledge :-(
00:22:41	stripwax	mshathlonxp - in what context?
00:23:13	mshathlonxp	id: LANG_BOOT_CHANGED desc: File browser discovered the boot file was changed <source> *: "Boot changed"
00:23:46	pixelma	mshathlonxp: some targets can detect if their binary file is different from what is running at the moment (after a USB disconnect) and then show a splash "boot changed. Reboot now?"
00:24:30	casainho	pamaury: I tried to change to "load rockbox_bootloader;" and I got no error!!! :-)
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00:25:41	pamaury	yeah, but now you need to ensure it works ;) It will probably load it at the preferred elf location, that you can specify in the LD linker script
00:25:56	casainho	pamaury: but I also get this feedback from elftosb, which means it is loading rockboxbooltoader to 0x00 instead that add for external SDRAM?
00:25:58	casainho	http://pastebin.com/y0vNj0ax
00:28:06	casainho	pamaury: hmmm, something must be wrong, because my boot.lds file is this one: http://pastebin.com/anAtfjEe
00:28:10	pamaury	hum, I don't know then, the problem being that elftosb isn't too documented ;) Perhaps you should try to put it into another section
00:29:39	casainho	pamaury: put in another section? what? how?
00:30:44	pamaury	casainho: I'm not sure, but I think the rockbox elf drops relocation, so you MUST load it at the addresse is it linked at, namely 0x40000000 in your example. Try this: http://pastebin.com/XmgW8pft
00:31:18	pamaury	I really know what is the purpose of a section for elftosb
00:31:23	pamaury	*don't
00:34:20	casainho	pamaury: the same error: error: constant targets only support single-segment sources
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00:35:20	pamaury	ok, I have to leave, I'll try to have a look at this issue if I can. Perhaps you can send me the system_init and rockbox.elf file so I can try myself to make elftosb happy
00:36:10	casainho	right
00:36:13	casainho	thanks
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01:09:21	mshathlonxp	what is "Filetype array full" ?
01:10:22	JdGordon1	why are you seeing that?
01:10:46	JdGordon1	it means its loaded as many supported filetype extensions as ther eis room for
01:11:47	mshathlonxp	I'm seeing it because it's in lang file :)
01:12:36	JdGordon1	have you added a bunch of extensions to viewers.config?
01:12:50	gevaerts	JdGordon1: "lang file" :)
01:12:57	gevaerts	i.e. translation
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01:27:13	pixelma	is an SDL app automatically touchscreen aware or do I need a special step when configuring?
01:28:04	pixelma	can't see anything in the configure options, not even in the advanced ones
01:28:20	JdGordon1	yes
01:28:31	JdGordon1	the APP is touchscreen, sims arent
01:29:44	pixelma	ok, thanks. Let's see
01:32:41	mshathlonxp	what is "top off charge"?
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01:37:52	mshathlonxp	anyone?
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01:43:41	pixelma	mshathlonxp: a type of charging that the Archos Recorders can do, don't know the details though
01:44:05	mshathlonxp	yeah, I noticed it's for archos, looks like I have to use google or move on :)
01:44:35	pixelma	maybe try asking at another time of day tomorrow again
01:45:16	stripwax	yeah, google is pretty good at knowing things
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01:45:44	mshathlonxp	doesn't looks like I would have to ask again :)
01:46:32	pixelma	stripwax: you can find lots of wrong info too though, sometimes it's hard to decide of the cource is trustworthy
01:46:51	pixelma	getting a bit off-topic though ;)
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02:05:16	pixelma	before I leave for sleep, I wanted to leava something I found here: it seems the playlist viewer WPS thing seems to have stopped showing metadata for any other than the next track - or at least it works in my r29339 Gigabeat S sim and doesn't on my phone running r29389. I only get the playlist position of the track following the next track, not the artist info. If anyone else wants to play around and confirm or not - or find a revision that broke it
02:05:16	pixelma	, it would be apreciated
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02:05:37	JdGordon1	:/
02:06:15	pixelma	the next track also shows title info (which I actually also meant in the above)
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03:39:07	mshathlonxp	has anyone here experience compiling .lang with genlang?
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06:32:05	mackat	Sansa clip won't update on boot, which i have turned on
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06:35:17	metalmania	heh
06:36:05	metalmania	Hello good people, is anyone available to help me with a rockbox issue im having?
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06:42:02	[Saint]	metalmania: If you make us aware of that issue, possibly. ;)
06:43:07	metalmania	Well I actually found the bug report for the issue I was having.
06:43:22	metalmania	So I guess I just have to downgrade to an older build.
06:43:53	metalmania	Apparently some newer Fuze v2 models freeze on the bootloader screen. My old one didnt, and this one was working fine for awhile, so I'm slightly confused.
06:44:47	metalmania	Thanks though.
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10:18:11	pondlife	Anybody here think they know how Rockbox message queues are supposed to be used..?
10:19:15	pondlife	I'm after opinions on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11927
10:20:31	pondlife	Basically, broadcast messages can easily overflow the tagcache queue (and probably others too). This happens silently in builds on target, but kills the sim. Neither of those is good.
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12:58:26	webguest65	pondlife: The problem described in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27247.msg178083.html#msg178083 might also be related to your FS task.
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13:14:42	dionoea	kugel: the first one used a fake uri in the Intent constructor while the second one uses the requestCode PendingIntent.getService() argument
13:21:23	mshathlonxp	can anyone tell me "features" needed to compile lng for ipodnano1g?
13:22:23	[Saint]	rockbox-info can.
13:23:12	mshathlonxp	what's that?
13:23:56	[Saint]	it will be present in the build dir on your build machine, and the .rockbox dir on your target.
13:24:21	[Saint]	it's a file called rockbox-info.txt and it lists all the features that make up the particular target.
13:25:27	mshathlonxp	ah, right, didn't noticed that this option is present in that file, thanks
13:29:46	mshathlonxp	khm
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13:29:59	mshathlonxp	looks much better than previously, but still something is wrong...
13:32:45	mshathlonxp	If I would accidentally translate some "source" field, that could cause entries ending up in wrong places?
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13:44:03	mshathlonxp	what could cause LANG_USB_CHARGING being misplaced by next entry, LANG_KEYLOCK_OFF?
13:45:24	mshathlonxp	and LANG_FORCE by next one, LANG_ONPLAY_PICTUREFLOW
13:47:39	mshathlonxp	and a lot of other entries are shifted that way
13:47:42	mshathlonxp	anyone?
13:51:13	JdGordon1	out of date lang file
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15:00:38	n1s	Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/ReleaseNotes38?rev1=4;rev2=5 Gives an error: "Foswiki detected an internal error - please check your Foswiki logs and webserver logs for more information.Wide character in memGzip"
15:01:47	Zagor	:-(
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15:06:19	n1s	the other diff links for that page works so something is weird i guess
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15:15:24	MaynardWaters	hello, my rockbox install on my ipod video 60Gig, is giving me trouble when i try to boot into the apple firmware
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15:22:55	evilnick_B	MaynardWaters: In what way is RB giving you trouble?
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15:52:52	amoe	Does rockbox have any feature where I can set to automatically switch off after a period whether it is playing or not? Like idle poweroff, but without the idle part.
15:53:01	Torne	sleep timer
15:54:27	amoe	Ahh sound perfect ;)
15:54:27	amoe	woot!
15:54:27	dionoea	kugel: I was going to let you do it.
15:54:27	MaynardWaters	evilnick_B: RB and its interface are working fine. but the apple firmware isnt working when I try to boot to it. And I thought the intention was to allow iTunes to continue to control the library, but when I plug in via usb to a computer, I can see the ipod as an external HD, but Itunes doesnt recognize it. So I don't have any way to remove, or add new music
15:54:27	dionoea	But I can do it if you want (not right now though)
15:54:55	kugel	I can't before tomorrow
15:55:05	amoe	Sleep timer rules, I love RB :)
15:55:24	dionoea	I can't before tonight ... but it can wait. It doesn't change anything in terms of user functionnality
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16:01:28	kugel	right
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16:05:53	linuxstb	MaynardWaters: I think you will need to start the Apple firmware before inserting USB
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16:10:22	evilnick_B	MaynardWaters: How are you trying to boot to the apple firmware? RB shouldn't affect how the OF interacts
16:12:54	MaynardWaters	OF? evilnick_B
16:13:15	Torne	MaynardWaters: original firmware
16:13:16	evilnick_B	Original Firmware, or Apple firmware
16:13:27	Torne	If you want to keep using it with ituens you will need to start the apple firmware manually
16:13:36	Torne	itunes doesn't identify rockbox as being an ipod.
16:13:53	MaynardWaters	linuxstb: the apple firmware wont boot, i hold the menu and select buttons, and toggle the hold key, I have done it a number of times a number of different ways... I see the bios image of an apple and then it just holds.
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16:14:38	MaynardWaters	ok, so we all agree i need to boot into the apple firmware before I can get itunes to see the pod.
16:15:45	MaynardWaters	yea just sitting on that bios apple
16:16:30	MaynardWaters	feel the harddrive spin up and down
16:16:41	MaynardWaters	click the hold switch, and rockbox boots
16:17:57	MaynardWaters	hold menu and select.... reboot
16:18:16	MaynardWaters	switch the hold switch so i see orange... sits on the apple.
16:18:35	dionoea	kugel: and I doubt that many people use the android app anyway (since no build is provided)
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16:19:31	linuxstb	MaynardWaters: Then you can use "emergency disk mode" - press and hold SELECT+PLAY when the ipod is booting. You also shouldn't restart Rockbox with MENU+SELECT - hold down the play button to shut it down cleanly.
16:21:35	MaynardWaters	linuxstb: very nice
16:21:53	MaynardWaters	so to shut down rb hold play
16:22:39	MaynardWaters	is the way that i was trying to do it with switching the hold switch the correct way, or have ai been doing it wrong to get into the apple firmware all along?
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16:35:28	mackat	my sansa clip+ doesn't update on bootup
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16:39:07	linuxstb	MaynardWaters: Yes, that _should_ work. How long do you wait with the Apple logo onscreen? The Apple firmware can take a long time (a minute or two I think) to start.
16:45:29	mackat	#rockbox-community: my sansa clip+ doesn't update on bootup
16:45:34	mshathlonxp	JdGordon_ do you want to say that this one http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang is out of date?
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17:00:09	pixelma	mshathlonxp: is the running build and the language you are trying to chose from the same revision? There are sometimes mismatches which shouldn't be but do exist if some developer did a mistake
17:00:45	mshathlonxp	I downloaded the file from that link and edited it
17:01:31	mshathlonxp	now when I compile lng with for my nano with all parameters from rockbox-info.txt from .rockbox folders, a lot of entries are shifted like one would be missing somewhere
17:02:00	pixelma	yes, but the master english.lang is built-in into your firmware binary, your installed build. That's what counts
17:02:27	mshathlonxp	so what I should do?
17:02:37	Torne	build a new build of rockbox
17:02:40	Torne	and install that.
17:02:55	pixelma	or download the current revision
17:03:26	*	mshathlonxp bought that nano 3 days ago and installed current rockbox on it
17:03:34	Torne	yes, but "current rockbox" changes 10+ times per day
17:03:52	Torne	so what was current at the moment you installed rockbox may not match what was current when you downloaded english.lang
17:03:58	mshathlonxp	:D
17:04:41	pixelma	then I don't think it should be out of sync but you never know, worth a try
17:04:43	mshathlonxp	it's 3.7.1 on my nano - is there now 3.7.2 or 3.7.3?
17:04:49	Torne	3.7.1 is not the current build
17:04:51	Torne	that's the last release
17:04:58	Torne	The current build is thousands of changes newer than that
17:05:10	mshathlonxp	u mean 3.8?
17:05:15	Torne	No
17:05:22	Torne	3.8 is the next release
17:05:27	pixelma	I don't see "u" around
17:05:42	Torne	the current build is the most recent code checked in by developers
17:05:46	linuxstb	mshathlonxp: Follow the "current build" link in the left menu of the Rockbox website.
17:05:49	Torne	so every time someone checks in code the current build changes
17:05:54	Torne	which is a dozen or two times a day
17:06:29	Torne	the link you downloaded english.lang from points to trunk, which is where the current build lives, so that english.lang will always be the latest development version
17:06:51	mshathlonxp	what should I do with it - copy over existing .rockbox dir in my nano?
17:06:54	pixelma	linuxstb: there also should be a "current build" tab or something in the Rockbox Utilitly ;)
17:07:07	pixelma	or Utility
17:09:58	gevaerts	mshathlonxp: basically rockbox is developed continuously in what we call "trunk", where current builds are compiled from. Every now and then, that source tree is "branched" into a stable branch, which then gets bugfixes only for one or two weeks, and which then becomes a release (such as 3.7 or 3.8). If that release has major bugs, we sometimes do further point releases based on that branch (such as 3.7.1)
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17:15:19	mshathlonxp	oh yeah
17:15:24	mshathlonxp	everything is in place now
17:15:29	mshathlonxp	at least it looks like it is
17:16:13	mshathlonxp	looks like I have to finish ASP so I woulnd't have to worry of it becoming outdated :D
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18:32:57	Dreamxtreme	is there a reason the battery readout is all over the shop
18:33:03	Dreamxtreme	on the ipod video
18:33:28	Dreamxtreme	seems to want to charge a % a secound but then gets to 99 and stops for ages
18:33:54	Dreamxtreme	but at the same time drops extremely quickly and stays around 2/1% for ages
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18:34:42	Torne	Charging and discharging behave differently, so comparing them is silly
18:35:05	Torne	if the reported percentage goes down very fast when you're using it, but the player stays on with the battery showing a low level for a long time then your battery is probably old
18:35:47	Dreamxtreme	it only happens on 3.8RC
18:35:56	Dreamxtreme	my battery is fine
18:36:15	Dreamxtreme	and they are behaving the same
18:36:26	Dreamxtreme	i could do a video
18:38:18	Torne	10 months ago the battery discharge curve was changed
18:38:46	Torne	and the shutoff point was increased
18:39:07	Torne	a video is no use; if you want to demonstratet he curve is wrong you need to do a battery bench
18:39:19	Torne	is it actually the original battery, also?
18:39:35	gevaerts	When you say it only happens on 3.8RC, which other revisions have you used where this doesn't happen?
18:39:53	Torne	because if it's not then the curve may be inappropriate, and if it is then it is old by now
18:40:06	Torne	tehre are no ipod videos with non-old original batteries in any more :)
18:41:22	Dreamxtreme	anything before 3.8RC gevaerts
18:41:36	Dreamxtreme	i forget the Daily rev numbers
18:41:37	Torne	No, that can't be true
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18:41:51	Torne	because 3.8RC is virtually identical to the current build before we made the 3.8 branch :)
18:42:02	gevaerts	So e.g. r2934?
18:42:09	gevaerts	So e.g. r29344?
18:42:19	Dreamxtreme	hrm let me look
18:42:23	Torne	the discharge curve was changed in r25600
18:42:50	Torne	which was nearly a year ago
18:42:52	*	gevaerts is also still waiting for the answer to the question he asked yesterday
18:44:13	Torne	so, unless you haven't used a current build that's newer than that, it seems unlikely that 3.8 would be different, i can't think of anything else that would change that behaviour other than the discharge curve
18:44:20	Dreamxtreme	what question
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18:45:08	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110223#22:07:10
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18:46:43	Dreamxtreme	how would i check the filesystem
18:47:14	Dreamxtreme	funnily enough ive not had 1 data abort today
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18:47:54	gevaerts	What OS are you using?
18:49:27	Dreamxtreme	Windows
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18:50:52	Dreamxtreme	ok when the display is on it drops 1% a second when its off it goes back up
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18:51:10	Torne	Right. That sounds like the voltage sagging under load
18:51:16	Torne	which is a classic sign of an old battery :)
18:51:24	Dreamxtreme	o i hope not!
18:51:33	Dreamxtreme	not had this long
18:51:35	Torne	well, have your eplaced the battery?
18:51:44	Dreamxtreme	no
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18:51:49	Dreamxtreme	its a ipod
18:51:54	Dreamxtreme	5.5G
18:51:56	Torne	then the battery is old
18:52:00	Torne	unless the previous owner replaced it
18:52:11	Dreamxtreme	hrm
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18:52:19	Torne	they stopped making the Video mid-2007
18:52:32	Torne	so even if you have one of the last ones the battery is now 3.5 years old
18:52:34	Dreamxtreme	what about charging 1% a second
18:52:49	Torne	more likely it's 4-5 years old
18:52:56	Torne	how long does it last?
18:53:26	Dreamxtreme	a good 25hours no charge
18:53:53	Torne	that's not too bad
18:54:02	Torne	but if the battery was new it would probably do 28+
18:54:39	Dreamxtreme	it probaby does
18:54:45	Dreamxtreme	it probably does
18:54:59	Torne	anyway, if the battery voltage changes dramatically depending on if the backlight is on then that's a sign its internal resistance has gone up and the load of the backlight is causing the output voltage to drop noticably
18:55:03	Dreamxtreme	ive never really benchmarked it
18:55:10	Torne	which is also a sign that the capacity of the battery will be reduced
18:55:38	n1s	it should drop significant�y when the disk spins up too
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18:56:59	Dreamxtreme	ghrm
18:57:05	Dreamxtreme	i'll bench it
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18:57:23	Torne	yeah. benchmark it and see what the total time is, and whether the percentage goes down neatly during the benchmark
18:57:32	Torne	i.e. by checking the logfile, leaving the screen turned off
18:58:05	Torne	if it behaves sensibly during a battery bench then the battery is just old and unfortunately it's very hard to reliably estimate the remaining charge on a battery with a high internal resistance
18:58:36	Torne	the batteries in mp3 players are not smart enough to have actual charge meters in them, you have to guess bsaed on the output voltage
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19:00:16	Dreamxtreme	ok thx
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19:00:33	Torne	if it looks weird, post the log somewhere and show us :)
19:02:02	pixelma	it does feel like Rockbox is reporting too much battery percentage drop under load on my targets too, especially the c200 - but (a) it's already been a while and (b) it's next to impossible to say where the error is, it just feels differently to what it was before. The battery on my c200 still gives me a long runtime but the percentage shown is quite low for a long time
19:04:48	pixelma	my c200 is even running 3.7...
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19:24:09	gevaerts	Dreamxtreme: chkdsk with some options
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19:26:16	AlexP	chkdsk /f x: IIRC
19:26:23	AlexP	where x is the drive letter
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19:55:55	Buschel	is anyone against submitting FS #11964 (rework of replaygain handling)?
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20:01:05	bertrik	Buschel, I can't really judge it in a few minutes, but I like that it decreases the number of source lines and I trust you tested it
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20:02:08	Buschel	I take that as +1 :)
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21:02:04	thomasjfox	kugel, kugel_: hey
21:03:19	CIA-70	New commit by Buschel (r29390): Use macro for better readability of adjust_mp3entry().
21:03:26	thomasjfox	kugel, kugel_: I tried to finally fix the plugins for the app build. Please have a look, I'd like to commit soonish: http://pastie.org/1603435
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21:07:12	saratoga	Buschel: would it be hard to use a 16 bit value for replaygain?
21:07:35	Buschel	no, I don't think so
21:07:43	CIA-70	r29390 build result: All green
21:08:36	saratoga	whats the actual allowed range of the replaygain value?
21:08:58	Buschel	-48..+17 dB
21:09:12	Buschel	due to internal conversion routines
21:09:44	saratoga	ah i see the code
21:09:53	thomasjfox	kugel: ping
21:10:08	saratoga	if FP_BITS is is 12, that works out to a little less then 17 bits actually used
21:10:46	saratoga	so we clamped that a little lower, we could use 16 bit multiplies to speed up replaygain processing quite a bit on armv5 and newer
21:11:27	Buschel	wait. you are talking about the dsp stuff, I was talking about the metadata code
21:12:00	saratoga	doesn't it all use the fixed point representation?
21:12:02	Buschel	well, 16 bit should be fine for dsp as well. it is just a static scaling.
21:12:10	Buschel	no, I just changes it
21:12:15	Buschel	changed
21:12:20	saratoga	ah ok
21:12:41	Buschel	now it is like dsp_gain = convert_gain(metadata_gain)
21:12:55	Buschel	see the change to dsp.c
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21:46:56	mshathlonxp	what is "quickscreen item"?
21:50:11	AlexP	mshathlonxp: (this is going to sound silly) an item on the quickscreen
21:50:30	AlexP	For a description of the quickscreen, the manual should be reasonable
21:52:10	linuxstb	thomasjfox: Regarding your patch for plugins for RaaA, is that change to simple_viewer.c needed? IIUC, that code is only used by dict.c, which you don't build.
21:52:40	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Let me try without it. It's quite some days that I changed it...
21:54:05	thomasjfox	linuxstb: I tried to look into the root cause of the strncmp issue. Some really weird macro expansion is going on...
21:54:49	*	mshathlonxp shouts some bad words in russian
21:55:15	mshathlonxp	looks like my lang file still is older than current build
21:56:10	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Excluding it in lib/SOURCES works. I'll stick to that. Thanks for the reminder
21:59:03	mshathlonxp	is quickscreen these settings that pops out while holding down select button on any main menu item?
21:59:12	mshathlonxp	or this is something that my nano doesn't have?
21:59:53	linuxstb	mshathlonxp: No, that's the "context menu". The quickscreen appears when you press and hold "menu".
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22:01:05	mshathlonxp	lang file mentions 3 quickscreen items
22:01:25	mshathlonxp	or that bottom for my nano is also on top?
22:01:52	linuxstb	thomasjfox: Hmm, it would be nice not to commit hacks. So the problem is that that code doesn't compile?
22:02:31	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Yes, exactly. The rb->strncmp stuff is turned into a very, very long macro construct
22:02:45	thomasjfox	linuxstb: I removed the hack as I was able to exclude the simple_viewer.c
22:02:58	thomasjfox	linuxstb: RaaA doesn't include the full set of plugins (yet?) anyway
22:04:52	linuxstb	thomasjfox: Excluding simple_viewer.c (because it doesn't compile) is also a hack IMO. What macro is being applied there?
22:05:17	thomasjfox	linuxstb: I'll get you the preprocessor output, hang on a sec
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22:08:47	mshathlonxp	how can I test with genlang what's missing in my lang file from current lang file?
22:09:03	thomasjfox	linuxstb: This line: if (len == n && !rb->strncmp(p, str, len))
22:09:11	thomasjfox	results in: apps/plugins/lib/simple_viewer.c:51: error: expected identifier before '(' token
22:09:21	thomasjfox	and looks like "if (len == n && !rb->(__extension__ (__builtin_constant_p (len) && ((__builtin_constant_p (p) && strlen (p) < ((size_t) (len))) \|\| (__builtin_constant_p (str) && strlen (str) < ((size_t) (len)))) ? strcmp (p, str) : strncmp (p, str, len))))"
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22:14:11	linuxstb	thomasjfox: I don't understand that at all... Have you tested if this is Maemo specific (e.g. trying the SDL app or Android)?
22:16:31	thomasjfox	linuxstb: You're right again: Seems like a maemo thing
22:16:41	thomasjfox	linuxstb: SDL app on Fedora 14 builds fine
22:17:05	pixelma	mshathlonxp: I test by generating a "yournewlang" as explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles#Preparation_every_time_you_update . The translation is complete if I don't get any "### This phrase..." explanations anymore
22:19:08	thomasjfox	linuxstb: What if I exclude the problematic files just for maemo/android for now? (I want kugel to test android before I break the build :))
22:19:38	mshathlonxp	and what if I just have "mylanguage.lang" but no "mynewlanguage.lang"? execute that comamnd without "mynewlanguage.lang"?
22:21:03	linuxstb	thomasjfox: If you give me 5 minutes, I can try an android build. Could you search the maemo include files for strncmp and see if you can see if it's defined as a macro somewhere?
22:21:24	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Perfect. Will do
22:22:16	saratoga	i just got a PM from a zero-poster
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22:22:21	saratoga	i thought that was disabled?
22:22:21	[Saint]	pixelma: You rang?
22:22:35	linuxstb	saratoga: Maybe he sent it and then a post was deleted?
22:22:48	saratoga	he sent it like 30 seconds ago, so I don't think so
22:23:03	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Found the monster macro. It's inside a "#ifndef _HAVE_STRING_ARCH_strncmp"
22:24:18	linuxstb	Ah, so you could perhaps define that somewhere.
22:26:43	pixelma	[Saint]: do you use this playlist viewport thingy in any of your themes? (Just to verify a bug in case, but I guess I could do some more research myself)
22:27:08	AlexP	thomasjfox: Does maemo RB also show the play and pause icons as status rather than action?
22:27:24	pixelma	mshathlonxp: mynewlanguage.lang will be created if you use these commands
22:27:26	thomasjfox	AlexP: Yes
22:27:45	AlexP	OK, so that as well as android needs changing
22:27:46	pixelma	mshathlonxp: you can then check this one for "###"
22:27:47	AlexP	IMO
22:27:56	mshathlonxp	pixelma and if some strings will be missing, these will be copied there?
22:28:17	AlexP	thomasjfox: I really can't imagine that anyone will object to these being swapped, it isn't what you expect atm
22:28:24	[Saint]	pixelma: What is the problem you're having with it?
22:28:29	AlexP	But I'll send an email to the list just in case
22:28:43	thomasjfox	AlexP: It's also what the native player does, so let's swap it
22:28:49	pixelma	mshathlonxp: yes they will, and above the comment "### This phrase below was missing from translation" or similar, it always starts with the three hashes
22:28:57	AlexP	thomasjfox: Every other player does, and it makes sense
22:29:09	AlexP	thomasjfox: Clicking on a play icon to make it pause is just odd :)
22:31:10	linuxstb	AlexP: Yes, it's something that (IMO) should be changed on all touchscreen WPSes. But this is the "playback mode" icon - it can also be stop, rew or ffwd. So I'm not sure if just reversing the icons for play/pause in that list makes sense.
22:31:28	thomasjfox	linuxstb: I'm still wondering why the macro expansion fails for rb->strncmp() and not for strncmp()
22:32:01	pixelma	[Saint]: it looks like info that comes from the files' tags stopped working recently for any other than the next track (I have one that shows the next 2 tracks - playlist position and title - playlist position is shown for both, title only for the first in my r29389 android build. Both is working in my r29339 Gigabeat S sim. I wonder if any of the recent metadata commits have to do with it or the android build or something else
22:32:18	AlexP	linuxstb: So what would you suggest?
22:32:40	AlexP	You will only see ffwd/rew when pressing the button for that
22:33:12	pixelma	[Saint]: just in case you noticed something too
22:33:13	AlexP	You don't see them if you move the progress bar for instance
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22:33:38	AlexP	Also, why are ffwd/rew hidden behind the RB logo most of the time?
22:34:08	thomasjfox	AlexP: On maemo, rew/ff is shown all the time ;)
22:34:20	AlexP	thomasjfox: Should be on android too
22:34:25	AlexP	but isn't!
22:34:28	linuxstb	AlexP: Well, most media players would just show play/pause icons in its place. I would also move it so it is between the rew/ff icons (buttons)
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22:34:57	AlexP	linuxstb: Ah, I see what you mean - have both
22:35:21	pixelma	AlexP: it's probably because all touchscreen cabbiev2 ports were "quick hacks" or so
22:35:26	linuxstb	AlexP: Um, I don't mean have both play and pause icons visible together.
22:35:26	AlexP	yeah
22:36:02	AlexP	linuxstb: So if you swap them depending on playback state then you will be using the playback state as currently, but with logic inverted?
22:37:46	linuxstb	AlexP: Sort of, but playback state currently also includes FF and REW (and STOP). And you can ff or rew when either playing or paused (I assume...)
22:38:10	AlexP	yes
22:38:48	AlexP	But you can choose if they do anything, or if they just keep showing e.g. play when ffwd'ing
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22:40:25	linuxstb	Would we also want a "stop" icon?
22:40:53	AlexP	Depends if anyone sbs-ifies it
22:41:04	AlexP	sorry, misunderstood
22:41:12	linuxstb	s/icon/button/
22:41:32	AlexP	I currently would, as on android the only way to get rid of the notificiation is to stop playback
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22:42:18	AlexP	I think kugel said that there isn't much technical difference between being pause and stopped
22:42:40	pixelma	touchscreen areas can still "distinguish" between short and long presses
22:43:05	AlexP	For me, I'd just get rid of the notification bar stuff when paused too, but I imagine some people would like to keep it to easily resume
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22:43:46	AlexP	pixelma: True, but I think on touch screens you have to be more careful - long pressing pause to stop didn't occur to me at first
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22:44:43	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Cleaned version of the plugins patch: http://pastie.org/1603833
22:46:40	linuxstb	thomasjfox: Hmm, compiling (your previous patch) for Android gives me an error saying credits.raw doesn't exist. Let me just do a clean build to make sure...
22:46:41	n1s	thomasjfox: the macro expansion seems to have worked fine, it's probably just that rb->(... is invalid syntax in c so it doesn't compile
22:47:22	thomasjfox	n1s: That explains it! Thanks
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22:48:03	thomasjfox	n1s: Damn it, I really stared at the output :)
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22:56:09	linuxstb	thomasjfox: As expected, simple_viewer.c compiles fine on Android (and so do plugins with your patch).
22:57:23	linuxstb	thomasjfox: You should enable random_folder_advance_config.c I think though.
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23:09:11	*	mshathlonxp finally can see the end of the file :)
23:09:45	mshathlonxp	how could I upload the translation after I will finish it and check it?
23:09:53	mshathlonxp	can*
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23:10:14	AlexP	You should check it by using it :)
23:10:28	AlexP	And when it is done, then put it on our patch tracker, flyspray
23:12:35	mshathlonxp	yeah, but how?
23:12:42	mshathlonxp	u mean this - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
23:12:43	mshathlonxp	?
23:13:26	mshathlonxp	you*
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23:14:34	thomasjfox	linuxstb: I'll commit with the random_folder_advance_config plugin enabled. ok?
23:14:49	thomasjfox	linuxstb: Thanks for checking the android build
23:15:03	linuxstb	Hmm, I've done "svn cp" to create a new file closely based on an existing one, and then "svn diff" is showing the differences to that file, rather than showing it as a new file...
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23:17:32	mshathlonxp	AlexP
23:18:05	AlexP	mshathlonxp: Yep, create a new task there as a patch
23:18:19	linuxstb	thomasjfox: It seems OK to me.
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23:19:59	mshathlonxp	btw how I should name my translation - latvian or latviesu? :) I can see that part of translations is named in english, while others are in respective language. Or that's my free choice?
23:21:08	linuxstb	mshathlonxp: I think the convention is to use ASCII characters. So in your case, latviesu would be fine.
23:22:04	n1s	ideally we should have translations for the lang names but there's little practical gain
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23:22:41	mshathlonxp	what is "Histogram interval" ? google can't find what it is :)
23:24:15	JdGordon_	why would google have any idea about our lang strings?
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23:24:23	JdGordon_	you need to find the usage in the code or manual
23:25:17	mshathlonxp	because google usually has chached rockbox page, including manuals
23:25:43	mshathlonxp	however, this time "rockbox histogram interval" didn'd gave me anything useful
23:26:20	AlexP	Something to do with recording I think
23:26:45	mshathlonxp	desc: in record settings menu
23:26:53	mshathlonxp	but there's nothing like that in my nano
23:27:08	AlexP	That is because it doesn't do recording :)
23:27:11	n1s	id' guess it's the time interval between points in the recording histogram or something like that
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23:27:18	pixelma	the histogram shows the waveform in the recording screen (I believe only on the H300 currently though), I guess this setting is meant for how often it is updated or so
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23:27:20	AlexP	n1s: yes, I think it is that
23:27:26	mshathlonxp	it does, I mean it would with some adaptors :)
23:27:52	*	mshathlonxp was thinking about something like that
23:28:15	mshathlonxp	as I said yesterday, there is no better way how to learn rockbox than by translating it :)
23:28:42	*	pixelma looks around for petur (in case he reads logs tomorrow ;) )
23:28:52	n1s	looks like it's on the h100/h120 too
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23:29:16	n1s	i wonde why only those iriver targets have this feature
23:30:00	Llorean	When it was introduced, H100 and H300 were the only swcodec recorders, weren't they?
23:30:00	pixelma	I believe it came from the "REP" and hasn't been adapted to other DACs
23:30:36	mshathlonxp	WPS = While Playing Screen?
23:30:41	AlexP	yep
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23:31:50	linuxstb	n1s: Seems to be closely linked to HAVE_AGC...
23:32:39	n1s	linuxstb: yes, i was just looking at the code too. That is also only on the irivers
23:33:04	pixelma	I believe Topy44 once did a quick and dirty hack to get it to an X5
23:33:15	linuxstb	Was that due to the lack of fine gain control on other ADCs though?
23:33:22	n1s	i wonder if it's due to dac features missing or not implemented in drivers for other targets or just apps stuff
23:33:29	Topy44	huh?
23:33:44	Topy44	ah yes, i got the adc to work on my x5, it actually worked well
23:34:16	Topy44	yes its a little coarser than on my h340, but for the main purpose of avoiding clipping its perfectly fine, the level changes are not too obvious
23:34:24	Topy44	*agc i mean
23:34:48	pixelma	linuxstb: in case of the Iaudios ADC it is (or at least what petur thinks - gain steps are only 1.5 dB and the range isn't as big
23:34:56	Topy44	the other REP features like the histogram works perfectly too
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23:35:39	Topy44	it was a dirty hack on an ancient version though, but it should be possible to activate it in the current version with a little copy-pasta
23:36:21	Topy44	pixelma: interesting that you remember - that was what, 4+ years ago? :)
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23:36:52	Topy44	unfortunately my x5l has since died
23:37:45	pixelma	it was long but not that long I think (but not sure) and my brain seems to have space for remembering the most useless info (but keeps forgetting important things) ;)
23:37:50	n1s	seems the only thing needed for histogram is a way to read peaklevels
23:38:35	Topy44	yes, the histogram is pretty simple, it should work on all platform
23:38:36	Topy44	s
23:38:55	Topy44	i still want the stereo correlation meter back :( it was very useful
23:39:22	pixelma	careful, hwcodec recording may be different
23:41:58	mshathlonxp	where I can find "Resume on automatic track change"?
23:42:39	*	linuxstb has no idea what that means
23:43:08	mshathlonxp	one of last added entries
23:43:11	pixelma	that's related to the new auto-resume feature (related to the database)
23:43:24	n1s	wasn't those added to the manual?
23:43:32	pixelma	I think so
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23:44:02	mshathlonxp	so, is that option in my nano as well, or only in some DSP i've never seen before?
23:44:18	mshathlonxp	DAP*
23:44:22	n1s	mshathlonxp: it's on all targets
23:44:33	pixelma	should be there if you run a current build
23:44:37	n1s	or should be at least
23:44:40	mshathlonxp	I can't find it...
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23:45:07	pixelma	what does the manual say?
23:45:18	mshathlonxp	probably nothing
23:45:22	*	mshathlonxp pulls up opera
23:46:11	*	linuxstb decides to stay away from that feature and discussion of it
23:47:28	mshathlonxp	ahh, finally found
23:47:36	n1s	oh, it's under general settings, not easy to find
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23:48:24	n1s	why isn't it under playback settings?
23:48:32	*	linuxstb was about to ask that
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23:50:06	mshathlonxp	no
23:50:15	mshathlonxp	that's why it took so long to find
23:50:30	mshathlonxp	general settings -> automatic resume
23:50:56	[Saint]	Well...It's not really a playback setting.
23:51:15	mshathlonxp	but I still can't understand what function "Resume on automatic track change" does
23:51:26	mshathlonxp	despite it's in manual
23:51:37	[Saint]	That's what the manual is for mshathlonxp
23:51:39	[Saint]	oh.
23:51:56	mshathlonxp	;>
23:52:06	mshathlonxp	Resume on automatic track change.
23:52:06	mshathlonxp	Controls whether the next track in an automatic track transition should be resumed at its last playback position as well.
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23:52:22	n1s	[Saint]: it certainly affects playback, imo it's a playback setting and that's the first place i looked for it
23:52:41	*	mshathlonxp agrees to n1s
23:53:38	[Saint]	I seem to remember a discussion specifically keeping it out of the playback settings menu, as it was objected to iirc.
23:53:49	n1s	but i guess it'll just turn into one of these long pointless discussions again so meh
23:53:55	[Saint]	It's not like sideral didn't ask for input.
23:54:05	mshathlonxp	what does meen IIRC?
23:54:10	mshathlonxp	mean*
23:54:18	[Saint]	*google ;)
23:54:41	n1s	[Saint]: yeah but that discussion thread was so long and was making so little progress that people not directly interested in that feature didn't read it
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23:54:49	mshathlonxp	why google if u can tell me that? :P
23:55:38	[Saint]	n1s: TLDR isn't really an excuse ;) He asked for input here many a time too.
23:55:51	Llorean	Why wouldn't it be a playback setting.
23:56:06	[Saint]	I can see arguments for it to be in playback, but...I can see why it's a general setting also.
23:56:07	Llorean	I mean, it doesn't affect non-playback sound, so it's not a sound setting, and it doesn't affect anything but playback...
23:56:21	Llorean	[Saint]: What's the argument for it not being a playback setting?
23:56:27	pixelma	[Saint], kugel: is it a general RaaAa bug or shortcoming that the RTC seems to not be read or is it only my phone?
23:56:39	*	mshathlonxp laughs - IIRC should be "Image Identity Review Committee" haha
23:56:53	linuxstb	pixelma: I think kugel has mentioned it before - so a bug I think.
23:56:59	[Saint]	mshathlonxp: "If I Remember/Recall Correctly"
23:57:01	n1s	[Saint]: yes, about the feature iirc, so as i don't care about the feature i didn't get into the discussion, i didn't know he was going to put the setting there since it's a small detail that never came up
23:57:09	mshathlonxp	yeah, that was first definition
23:57:13	n1s	at least when i was around
23:57:44	[Saint]	Well, I could be misremembering it...but I'm sure there was a discussion here regarding the menu placement for this feature.
23:58:00	[Saint]	It was certainly discussed at length, so it's hard to remember the details.
23:58:16	mshathlonxp	now finally I understood what does do "Resume on automatic track change"
23:58:27	n1s	it's often like this with controversial patches, if one doesn't get into the dsicussion about the whole thing one automatically loses the right to question anything about it later
23:58:35	linuxstb	n1s: What about bookmarking? That's also in general settings.
23:58:58	Llorean	linuxstb: I'm not sure bookmarking "controls" playback behaviour though, in the same way.

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