| 00:00:35 | stripwax | What I did was: set Auto Update=Yes, turn off, turn back on, quickly enable metadata logging, wait for the crash |
| 00:00:37 | | Quit mystica555_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 00:00:41 | sideral | Maybe the crash happens when loading your playlist |
| 00:00:48 | stripwax | if it's in the log, then it's prior to the crash |
| 00:00:52 | stripwax | maybe - |
| 00:00:59 | AlexP | Zagor: thanks |
| 00:01:05 | stripwax | the playlist loads absolutely fine when Auto Update is not Yes, however |
| 00:01:17 | stripwax | i was listening to those very same songs just this afternoon |
| 00:01:34 | stripwax | BUT |
| 00:01:42 | stripwax | i don't think that The Magic Numbers stuff is in my playlist. |
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| 00:02:07 | stripwax | let me quickly check. plus, as you say, it does look a bit corrupted in that metadata log. maybe it's coming from some random garbage location. |
| 00:03:04 | sideral | It could still be DB related somehow. Your non-updated DB may not contain these files, so the DB lookup may fail early on without crashing |
| 00:03:49 | stripwax | hrm, but my db has been updated. i should be able to reproduce the crash again by following the same steps, i think |
| 00:09:50 | stripwax | my bet is the files between the "17 - That Fucking Tank - Owl End.ogg" and "07 - Office Furniture (After Evidence).ogg" inclusive were the next tracks from my dynamic playlist that fit into the buffer |
| 00:10:00 | stripwax | The Magic Numbers tracks do NOT follow these in my dynamic playlist |
| 00:10:15 | stripwax | Just followed the exact same steps posted above, and got the exact same crash. 0004EE60. |
| 00:10:48 | stripwax | will see what metadata.log gives me this time round |
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| 00:13:34 | sideral | I'll try staring at the disassembly for a bit. I learned ARM assembly only like a week ago ;) |
| 00:14:15 | stripwax | verrrrry interesting |
| 00:14:24 | stripwax | updates FD#11976 |
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| 00:14:57 | stripwax | guessing the metadata.log from last time had all sorts of wonderful stuff from who knows when, if indeed enabling metadata logging doesn't delete the existing log but just appends |
| 00:15:57 | stripwax | more crazy garbage this time, in the new one. so some correlation between garbage and crashing... |
| 00:16:17 | sideral | indeed |
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| 00:19:21 | stripwax | sideral - ogginfo seems perfectly happy with that file: DESCRIPTION=Track 3 |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | title=Solid Sessions - Janiero (Saffron Mix) |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | artist=Jimmy Van M |
| 00:19:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK stripwax |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | genre=Trance |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | date=2001 |
| 00:19:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | album=Bedrock [2] |
| 00:19:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 00:19:21 | stripwax | tracknumber=3 |
| 00:19:24 | stripwax | ugh, sorry |
| 00:19:59 | stripwax | so something, somewhere, is corrupting something, somewhere. |
| 00:20:19 | stripwax | i ran ogginfo directly on the file on my ipod filesystem (not some other copy etc) |
| 00:20:49 | sideral | It seems something corrupts the directory name before it's passed to the metadata parser |
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| 00:23:08 | stripwax | looking at ogginfo for the immediately preceding and following files I don't see any big differences. the preceding one, The Streets, was encoded using a different encoder (20030909 1.0.1 for the one with garbage, 20050304 1.1.1 for The Streets) |
| 00:23:40 | stripwax | and the Nominal Bitrate is showing as 128.000000 kb/s for The Streets and 128.003000 kb/s for the Jimmy Van M. but that's probably just cosmetic differences. |
| 00:23:59 | stripwax | will quickly see if there's any correlation between the above and The Magic Numbers one (although wouldn't expect one) |
| 00:24:59 | sideral | Possibly the long file names are corrupted in the VFAT, or the VFAT parser causes corruption in the file name. And that may later lead to a crash in tagcache_search... |
| 00:25:24 | stripwax | sideral - hrm, they seem ok when browsing from windows connected over usb |
| 00:26:36 | stripwax | is there such a thing as an 'interactive fsck' to tell me if there's any corruption in the vfat? |
| 00:27:09 | stripwax | I'd warrant a guess that something else is corrupting random memory, which happens to include the file path but also probably other bits too |
| 00:27:33 | sideral | Let me stare at that disasm code a little longer. I still haven't found out which C code line correlates to that address. |
| 00:28:32 | stripwax | sideral - can you point me to the disasm files pls? |
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| 00:29:08 | stripwax | although i guess i'd also have to check out the 3.8 branch locally too to compare to source |
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| 00:30:15 | sideral | stripwax: If you suspect random corruption, you might want to look at r29476 |
| 00:31:33 | stripwax | sideral - wow. |
| 00:32:04 | stripwax | let me see if i have the same reproducible bug on current svn. (takes too long for me to make a build) |
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| 00:32:35 | AlexP | sideral, stripwax: maps and elfs are now at http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.8/debug/ |
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| 00:35:36 | DJeXeCute | Hello |
| 00:35:54 | sideral | Yeah, I noticed, thanks AlexP! |
| 00:36:01 | sideral | Here's a disassembly of 3.8 for ipodvideo: ... Argh, it's too long for pastebin and pastie :/ |
| 00:36:18 | stripwax | sideal - curious - it seems happier ... |
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| 00:36:58 | stripwax | a full repro requires a full db rebuild, reboot, setting auto update=yes, reboot again, and stuff though .. but with 25% confidence I'd say that fixes it for me... |
| 00:38:33 | DJeXeCute | Hey I got a question I found a project that supposedly lets you use your Ipod Mini as a USB Soundcard for the PC and I pulled the Github source for it. It's a folder that resembles the folders you would find in the .rockbox folder on your ipod so do I just copy the folders and files and overwrite the existing files? |
| 00:38:43 | AlexP | No idea |
| 00:38:51 | AlexP | Ask that project |
| 00:39:01 | gevaerts | DJeXeCute: you have to build... |
| 00:39:11 | gevaerts | AlexP: this is pamaury's tree |
| 00:39:11 | DJeXeCute | How do I do that? |
| 00:39:18 | AlexP | gevaerts: what now? |
| 00:39:39 | gevaerts | AlexP: FS #11108 |
| 00:40:32 | AlexP | gevaerts: Thanks, I missed that |
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| 00:40:53 | stripwax | DJeXeCute - you would have to ask the developers, of *that* project, not this one |
| 00:41:25 | gevaerts | stripwax: that's really us :) |
| 00:41:26 | DJeXeCute | How do I contact them about it? They didn't leave any info for anything just the files to do it |
| 00:41:29 | gevaerts | Well, one of us |
| 00:41:34 | gevaerts | DJeXeCute: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide |
| 00:42:15 | stripwax | gevaerts - eh, whoops. didn't see your msg to AlexP |
| 00:42:27 | gevaerts | But seriously, that's an experimental development branch. It's not going to be straightforward to get working if you're not used to that sort of thing |
| 00:43:05 | DJeXeCute | Well I have no soundcard so this is kind of my only option |
| 00:43:08 | gevaerts | DJeXeCute: if you want to go through with this, have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 00:43:34 | stripwax | sideral - fwiw, database finished auto-updating without a problem. will zap it all away and restart testing again and see if it ever crashes |
| 00:43:46 | DJeXeCute | Ok ill look through the compile guide |
| 00:44:17 | stripwax | DJeXeCute - your other option, I suppose, would be to buy a cheap soundcard? I suppose it depends on how you value time versus money |
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| 00:44:54 | sideral | stripwax: Yikes, there goes my chance to use my new hard earned ARM knowledge −− and to make an impression of our DB being properly supported :) |
| 00:45:10 | stripwax | heh |
| 00:48:22 | DJeXeCute | Well I assume my ipod mini would make a great ipod since it sound great playing music as for the soundcard my 7.1 HD Onboard Card Finally Died and Last Friday I ordered a $20 7.1 HD USB Soundcard off newegg with 2 day delivery... well its been 4 days now and I want to play my shooters lol |
| 00:48:42 | DJeXeCute | Er my Ipod would make a good soundcard* |
| 00:49:12 | gevaerts | My bet is that you'll get that delivery before you get USB audio on your ipod running properly |
| 00:49:55 | DJeXeCute | Yea I kinda figured that to |
| 00:50:06 | stripwax | sideral - wow, that's not a small file :-) 4ee60 is the line causing Data Abort.. ? actually what does Data Abort *really* mean? nothing memory mapped to the address we're trying to read from? |
| 00:50:18 | DJeXeCute | I still don't know why my onboard soundcard blew out and not my entire mboard |
| 00:50:41 | gevaerts | stripwax: aren't most data aborts caused by unaligned accesses? |
| 00:51:19 | stripwax | ah, is that what it is. i dunno actually! |
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| 00:51:56 | sideral | stripwax: Yes. Data abort means insufficient access permission or nothing mapped AFAIU |
| 00:52:48 | sideral | gevaerts: Probably true as well. I'm not that far in my handbook yet ;) |
| 00:53:06 | gevaerts | sideral: that's usually what it means in rockbox :) |
| 00:55:36 | sideral | gevaerts: Yes, apparently unaligned accesses can generate data aborts as well when the system coprocessor is so configured |
| 00:55:52 | JdGordon | gevaerts: reasding logs, yeah can we get the build server to upload unsinged apks and then have a script to sign them manually? |
| 00:56:08 | JdGordon | or do you need to have the full sdk installed anyway to be able to sing them? |
| 00:56:32 | gevaerts | JdGordon: while I know the apks are for playing music, you don't have to actually sing to produce them :) |
| 00:56:35 | sideral | stripwax: Thanks again for helping debug this! Let me know of your results. I need to go offline in a few minutes |
| 00:56:38 | stripwax | ok |
| 00:59:27 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I suspect we can get the zips (i.e. the native part) built and uploaded with minimal effort (that just requires a tiny update to rbclient to recognise the "android" toolchain I think) |
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| 01:00:16 | JdGordon | well thats anough for the build table, would be nice if we could get actual builds from it thoguh |
| 01:00:22 | stripwax | sideral - well, same steps, and no crash this time. |
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| 01:00:38 | stripwax | it looks ... like it works like it should..! |
| 01:00:49 | gevaerts | Yes, that's why I want to do that first. It's easy, and it has actual results |
| 01:01:27 | gevaerts | Building full apks (signed or not) requires a bit more effort, since those need a few more steps. Zagor has an evolved version of the scripts somewhere that should be able to handle that better, but that's a bigger change. I don't really know how big exactly |
| 01:01:41 | sideral | stripwax: Great! Another indication than the DB is better than its reputation :) |
| 01:02:00 | JesusRivera | Rockboy Freezes Up Upon Clicking Rom - r29484-110301 |
| 01:02:44 | sideral | stripwax: Could you please post a quick update to your FS ticket? I'll close it tomorrow unless something new pops up. |
| 01:03:11 | stripwax | sure |
| 01:03:21 | sideral | Thank you! |
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| 01:04:34 | sideral | AlexP: It looks like r29476 is a good candidate for the 3.8 branch |
| 01:05:37 | JesusRivera | Anyone Getting The Same Problem??? |
| 01:07:18 | gevaerts | JesusRivera: there aren't many people who use rockboy, so that's hard to say |
| 01:08:34 | gevaerts | sideral: *why* is ATA DMA suddenly a problem though? It's been enabled since January 2010... |
| 01:08:45 | JesusRivera | gevaerts: Oh, So Should I Post It In Flyspray? |
| 01:09:11 | gevaerts | JesusRivera: that never hurts. Make sure to include as much details as you can |
| 01:09:52 | kugel | \o/ |
| 01:09:58 | kugel | finally, 6-14 three stars |
| 01:10:16 | JesusRivera | gevaerts: Ok, Thanks :D |
| 01:10:33 | sideral | gevaerts: I have absolutely no idea. I just wagered a bet after having read Buschel's commit message. |
| 01:10:45 | gevaerts | sideral: it's weird really... |
| 01:11:58 | sideral | gevaerts: Is PP a multicore platform? |
| 01:12:21 | gevaerts | sideral: it has two cores, yes |
| 01:12:34 | sideral | Perhaps we weren't using the 2nd core as much back then? |
| 01:12:39 | gevaerts | no |
| 01:13:08 | gevaerts | The second core is used by mp3 since a lot longer than that, and by not much else |
| 01:13:55 | sideral | gevaerts: Have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11863#comment38824 ? |
| 01:15:00 | stripwax | is the second core not a red herring? if you're just building db, you're not using the second core at all (or are you?) |
| 01:15:45 | sideral | But likely some cache flushing is involved when accessing the disk, which could lead to the weird behavior described in that comment |
| 01:16:00 | stripwax | er. surely cache flushing happens a lot of time, not just when using disk. |
| 01:16:20 | stripwax | i don't think "not using ATA DMA" implies "not doing cache flushing" |
| 01:16:37 | stripwax | more likely, a bug in ata dma .. right? |
| 01:17:06 | sideral | possibly |
| 01:17:22 | gevaerts | I doubt it |
| 01:17:45 | stripwax | MikeS said "If it's not a cacheline issue perhaps there could there be a stray drive interrupt?" |
| 01:17:45 | gevaerts | ATA DMA was enabled fourteen months ago, and suddenly a few weeks ago people start to notice random crashes? |
| 01:18:25 | gevaerts | I'm fully willing to believe that disabling ATA DMA makes those go away, but I'm not as willing to believe that it's really as simple as that |
| 01:18:31 | stripwax | So nothing has changed at all in any of the pp-specific code in 14 months? |
| 01:19:11 | stripwax | MikeS was referring to his changes system-pp502x.c |
| 01:19:51 | JdGordon | gevaerts: it was definitly working <14 months ago.. something broke it and without a reliable repro its impossible to say what |
| 01:19:54 | stripwax | I do agree that it's probably not really as simple as that. |
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| 01:20:09 | sideral | stripwax: If you feel adventurous, you could go and bisect to see whether it was Buschel's or jhMikeS' change that fixed your problem :) |
| 01:20:41 | stripwax | but if it's the "rio karma" bug, how come it doesn't affect us all of them when doing everything especially when decoding mp3? |
| 01:20:51 | stripwax | sideral - some other lifetime maybe :-) |
| 01:20:55 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I know that since a few weeks just about everyone sees all sorts of problems, usually involving filesystem corruption. Around the 3.7 release, there was *nothing* like that |
| 01:21:47 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 01:21:47 | * | JdGordon is happy to do overnight test runs if people can suggest changes to try reverting |
| 01:22:42 | stripwax | i gotta go and sleep; see you later |
| 01:22:46 | stripwax | sideral - and thanks! |
| 01:22:57 | sideral | stripwax: No problem −− see you! |
| 01:23:30 | sideral | JdGordon: Have you run a test with jhMikeS' buffering fixes but without the disable-DMA-workaround? |
| 01:23:41 | CIA-70 | New commit by zagor (r29488): Almost 30% faster. |
| 01:24:04 | JdGordon | sideral: I havent done any testing really... the build i have now is a week or two ago with dma disabled |
| 01:24:12 | gevaerts | sideral: buffering changes should really not cause database-related filesystem corruption... |
| 01:24:23 | JdGordon | if someone can provide me a mini2g zip with suggested fixes i can test it now |
| 01:24:36 | * | gevaerts has no clue |
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| 01:24:59 | * | sideral neither |
| 01:26:15 | sideral | JdGordon: I can't. gevaerts is right that buffering shouldn't be related to DB crashes |
| 01:26:15 | * | jhMikeS has a data abort problem on the clip that didn't seem to be there when working on buffering but some tweak got in there that changed that :\ |
| 01:26:15 | CIA-70 | r29488 build result: All green |
| 01:27:04 | JdGordon | well, i can even build my own if anyone suggests a build to try |
| 01:27:04 | * | JdGordon might just roll back to 3.7 and see if that works |
| 01:27:20 | gevaerts | If anything, I'd say the changes to system-pp502x.c in r29053 |
| 01:27:21 | jhMikeS | the pp problem is definitely alignment related and I could make it come and go by adding nops into code to shift things |
| 01:28:32 | sideral | jhMikeS: BTW, I suspect that one of your codec/buffering changes broke mp4 playback for me. Didn't have time to produce a useful bug report yet, though |
| 01:28:32 | gevaerts | But that's really guesswork |
| 01:28:32 | JdGordon | gevaerts: na, too recent |
| 01:28:32 | gevaerts | JdGordon: you think? |
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| 01:28:39 | JdGordon | I'll search my logs but i got a logf build from sartoga months ago when i was complaining |
| 01:28:56 | gevaerts | There can be other bugs |
| 01:28:58 | gevaerts | What |
| 01:29:22 | gevaerts | What's special now is that suddenly *everyone* has filesystem corruption. That's not months old |
| 01:29:24 | jhMikeS | sideral: hmmm...in what way? |
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| 01:29:56 | sideral | JdGordon: Why not do a proper bisect? With one night per test, you should be done in two weeks or so |
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| 01:30:02 | sideral | if 3.7 works for you |
| 01:30:08 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I did revert those changes and still could reproduce alignment-related crashes (which is how I discovered them in the first place) |
| 01:30:13 | JdGordon | sideral: HAHA yeah right, im not insane :D |
| 01:30:29 | sideral | jhMikeS: Playback just skips over my M4A files |
| 01:30:49 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: but are those alignment-related crashes related to the bugs that Buschel lists in r29476? |
| 01:31:57 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: not sure. simply disabling DMA without altering instruction count (to preserve alignments) did stop my H10 issues in their tracks |
| 01:32:43 | JdGordon | how do i revert a svn change in git? |
| 01:32:44 | gevaerts | hm |
| 01:33:12 | sideral | JdGordon: git revert <commit-id> |
| 01:33:41 | JdGordon | yes, but how do i get the git commit id from the svn number? |
| 01:33:48 | kugel | ugh |
| 01:33:57 | kugel | it was 1 process that froze my installation |
| 01:34:00 | sideral | git log, grep for the svn rev |
| 01:34:13 | kugel | lzma took too much memory leading to oom |
| 01:34:13 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: at least some, whatever was affecting it |
| 01:34:29 | kugel | oops, sorry! |
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| 01:35:40 | JdGordon | :( not a clean revert |
| 01:35:42 | jhMikeS | sideral: perhaps the initial file offset isn't being updated read properly for m4a |
| 01:35:45 | sideral | JdGordon: there should be a commit message containing "@<svnrel>" |
| 01:36:40 | sideral | jhMikeS: Maybe. I haven't yet verified whether it works with 3.8. As I said, no useful bug report yet |
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| 01:37:23 | kugel | genlang faster? \o/ |
| 01:37:41 | sideral | JdGordon: git mergetool is your friend |
| 01:38:16 | JdGordon | no it aint :p |
| 01:39:02 | wodz | kugel: not faster but profiled :-) |
| 01:39:55 | sideral | JdGordon: Then you haven't configured it to use Emacs ediff? ;) |
| 01:39:59 | jhMikeS | sideral: I'll recheck that now and at least be sure I didn't just make some dumb typo |
| 01:40:49 | kugel | JdGordon: git svn rev-parse rXXXX |
| 01:41:00 | kugel | works vice versa git commits as well |
| 01:41:38 | kugel | s/rev-parse/find-rev/ |
| 01:41:46 | sideral | Thanks jhMikeS! But don't waste too much time; I'll come up with a better report ASAP. Right now this is nothing more than just a suspicion |
| 01:41:57 | sideral | kugel: Nice |
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| 01:42:05 | kugel | but, git has builtin bisect, why use git revert? |
| 01:42:30 | sideral | Need to leave now. Happy hacking! |
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| 01:46:56 | JdGordon | how does git bisect handle revisions which dont compile? |
| 01:47:42 | kugel | dont know |
| 01:48:00 | sideral | JdGordon: git bisect skip |
| 01:49:26 | JdGordon | having no ipod cable and no reliable repro is going to make this annoying ;p |
| 01:54:30 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I take the clip back to the last buffering changes and ... nothing, at the codec metadata wait change...aborts are simple, so...must test just before that |
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| 01:57:40 | JdGordon | ok, im putting 3.7 on my mini2g, shall see how it goes |
| 01:58:48 | jhMikeS | rrr..mmmm...how the heck? hate it when somehow I have the wrong rev. on the player than I thought :P |
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| 03:12:30 | ineedshalp | ok guys |
| 03:12:37 | ineedshalp | i need help obviously |
| 03:13:06 | ineedshalp | im running ubuntu 9 |
| 03:13:34 | ineedshalp | i have a 2nd gen ipod nano and every time i go to load it says " cannot connect to ipod permission denied" |
| 03:13:39 | ineedshalp | what does that mean? |
| 03:13:47 | ineedshalp | oother than the obvious |
| 03:13:51 | ineedshalp | other* |
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| 03:13:57 | ineedshalp | how do i change that |
| 03:14:36 | ineedshalp | hey are you an admin? |
| 03:14:43 | ineedshalp | or somone smart? |
| 03:15:01 | JdGordon | try in #ubuntu... you have permission issues with your linux setup |
| 03:15:17 | krazykit | the the installer for the 2nd gen nano need root? |
| 03:15:41 | krazykit | if so, you need to run the installer with sudo |
| 03:15:45 | ineedshalp | ahh ok |
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| 03:22:35 | ineedshalp | neck |
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| 03:33:00 | ineedshalp | new issue \ |
| 03:33:06 | ineedshalp | how do i exit doom |
| 03:33:10 | ineedshalp | lol |
| 03:34:55 | ineedshalp | halp please |
| 03:35:15 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 04:00:21 | seneca | I have a Sansa e200v2 that I just installed Rockbox 3.8 on, which produces a "stkov dircache" panic a few seconds after boot. Any ideas on how to reflash/reinstall? |
| 04:00:41 | JdGordon | a new install? |
| 04:00:54 | seneca | yes, just installed it today |
| 04:01:26 | JdGordon | turn it off, hold |<< and plug in the usb cable |
| 04:01:33 | JdGordon | it should start the OF and connect to usb |
| 04:01:43 | JdGordon | actually, just turn it off and plug usb in |
| 04:02:43 | seneca | very nice, that seems to have worked |
| 04:02:49 | seneca | thank you |
| 04:02:53 | JdGordon | that wont fix your problem thouhg |
| 04:03:01 | seneca | I'm hoping a fresh install might work better |
| 04:03:03 | JdGordon | in the .rockbox folder, open config.cfg in notepad |
| 04:05:19 | seneca | I don't seem to have that file |
| 04:05:35 | seneca | I think the install got corrupted at some point |
| 04:05:36 | JdGordon | ok |
| 04:06:11 | JdGordon | you can try reinstalling, i doubt it iwll fix anything though... and dircache is disabled by default |
| 04:06:43 | seneca | I'll give it a shot |
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| 04:13:28 | Gamefreak264 | Is this strictly a support/dev channel or can I talk general rockbox stuff, too? Anyway, was going to ask if you guys had any favorite themes, I'm new to rockbox and the overall selection is a bit overwhelming |
| 04:14:21 | JdGordon | struckly dev/support |
| 04:14:30 | JdGordon | general chat in #rockbox-community |
| 04:14:38 | Gamefreak264 | Okay, thanks |
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| 05:02:34 | seneca | Just for the record: looks like the e200v2 build has dircache on by default |
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| 05:07:58 | JdGordon | ah, you are correct! |
| 05:08:25 | JdGordon | seneca: ok, create a new text file named "config.cfg" in the .rockbox folder and add the line "dircache: off" without the quotes |
| 05:11:02 | JdGordon | though... that really shouldnt be crashing! |
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| 05:18:57 | mts | JdGordon: yeah, that's how I fixed my issue (also why I figured dricache must have been on by default) |
| 05:19:19 | mts | I think there are some filesystem issues going on here |
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| 05:19:44 | mts | the drive is formatted with vfat, and one of the tables is a little wonky (lot of illegal filenames, too) |
| 05:20:28 | JdGordon | ok, that could explain it... do a fsck |
| 05:20:53 | JdGordon | if dircache breaking it is possible rockbox will outright crash when you try browsing there anyway |
| 05:21:45 | mts | apparently when doing moving some of the files around, there was a "data abort" issue prior to the whole dircache business |
| 05:21:59 | mts | I haven't tried poking around much from within rockbox yet |
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| 05:41:34 | CIA-70 | New commit by jethead71 (r29490): buffering: Unusual cases when a handle ridx is briefly seeked ahead of widx need to be handled properly. In the best case, buffer useful would be ... |
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| 05:49:21 | jhMikeS | mirages :\ ?? |
| 05:49:46 | JdGordon | you what? |
| 05:51:39 | jhMikeS | about part of that commit, not sure it's really possible now and I might be seeing code ghosts |
| 05:55:01 | mts | JdGordon: fsck fixed a couple errors, dircache doesn't seem to be crashing anymore |
| 05:55:11 | JdGordon | goody |
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| 05:57:51 | Gamefreak264 | I read that Rockbox has Lua support, has anything interesting been done with it yet? |
| 05:58:04 | froggyman | boomshine |
| 05:58:11 | JdGordon | gevaerts: going through my chat logs, dec 2 is when i got a logf build and i had problems way before that also so very unlikly the rev you suggested |
| 05:58:13 | WilliamC | I'm having issues submitting a bug report, I registered for an account and it never arrived, I even checked spam |
| 05:58:18 | JdGordon | I've got 3.7 going now and sofar no issues |
| 05:58:47 | WilliamC | I run daily stuff |
| 05:58:55 | JdGordon | WilliamC: the people you need to speak to about that are asleep :/ |
| 05:59:01 | JdGordon | whats your bug? |
| 05:59:14 | WilliamC | The replay gain makes music too soft. |
| 05:59:22 | WilliamC | It didn't used to do that |
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| 06:00:12 | WilliamC | Solution is to turn it off, but I like using it because it doesn't have me adjusting the volume. |
| 06:00:55 | JdGordon | when did it start not working as expected? |
| 06:01:06 | WilliamC | A few daily builds ago. |
| 06:01:17 | WilliamC | Shame I cannot pin point |
| 06:01:30 | JdGordon | why not? dont we keep the last months dailies? |
| 06:02:01 | WilliamC | I have lots of homework. |
| 06:02:33 | JdGordon | ok, well unless someone else comes along with the issue it wont be fixed unless the break is pinpointed |
| 06:02:34 | WilliamC | Also, you don't |
| 06:02:44 | JdGordon | can you build your own builds? |
| 06:02:54 | WilliamC | Don't know how |
| 06:03:35 | JdGordon | which target? |
| 06:03:42 | WilliamC | e200 |
| 06:03:45 | WilliamC | Sansa E200 |
| 06:04:09 | JdGordon | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansae200/ only the last 4 dailies though :( |
| 06:04:45 | JdGordon | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=29388 <- probably that change |
| 06:04:53 | WilliamC | Well, I first noticed it a few weeks ago, I assume it happened before that, but I wasn't keep up with the nightlies. |
| 06:05:25 | WilliamC | Might have been |
| 06:06:00 | WilliamC | I mean, even pre-amp in ReplayGain doesn't make it much louder. |
| 06:06:12 | WilliamC | I'm thinking it's some sort of logic error |
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| 07:50:39 | Gamefreak264 | Is there any way I can have my player autoresume when playing files from all subdirectories of /Audiobooks/ instead of just /Audiobooks/ without manually typing out the name of each directory? |
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| 07:58:11 | Llorean | Gamefreak264: I don't understand the question. |
| 07:58:16 | Llorean | What does typing have to do with Autoresume? |
| 07:58:27 | Llorean | Ah, wait. |
| 07:58:32 | Llorean | Sorry, I was thinking resume on startup |
| 07:58:46 | Llorean | Have you tried just setting it for the audiobooks folder? I thought it used subfolders automatically |
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| 08:01:24 | Gamefreak264 | Eh, maybe I'm doing this wrong, but it doesn't appear to be working like that |
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| 08:09:46 | Llorean | It's a relatively new feature. |
| 08:09:57 | Llorean | And there was some contention about how it should work when it went in, so I'm not sure how it settled. |
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| 08:52:05 | wodz | I looked at genlang a bit. There is one major possible optimization (algorithmic one) and a few minor (particular implementation). |
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| 08:53:14 | wodz | The possible optimization to speedup thing by the factor of ~2 is to not parse english.lang for every single translation file. Yet I don't have idea how to archive this cleanly |
| 08:54:36 | Zagor | that's not very practical. english.lang is the rosetta stone. |
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| 08:55:48 | wodz | Zagor: but doing build english.lang is not changed between parsing translations |
| 08:56:16 | Zagor | right, we could do it once for all instead of once for each |
| 08:56:31 | wodz | thats my point |
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| 09:00:00 | wodz | and <phrase></phrase> parsing is rather naive and error prone in current implementation |
| 09:07:53 | wodz | ah yes, we can precompile genlang into bytecode also. This will reduce calling overhead |
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| 09:14:00 | wodz | ehh, they dropped perlcc from mainline :/ |
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| 09:21:45 | sideral | Llorean, Gamefreak264 (for the logs): Autoresume on manual track start can only be enabled or disabled globally. And yes, resume on automatic track change, when set to "in custom directories only", does apply to all subfolders automatically. It can also be set to apply to all files, or none. |
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| 09:23:08 | Llorean | sideral: It sounds like subfolders wasn't working for him. |
| 09:23:20 | Llorean | It might be worth testing that it's actually working? |
| 09:24:21 | sideral | Llorean: I use it every day |
| 09:24:23 | amiconn | Zagor: I wonder why the sdl build problem didn't make all build clients stop. If the build client that has been handed out the sdl build didn't return, the master should have handed it out to all clients during speculative build, shouldn't it? |
| 09:24:48 | Llorean | sideral: You update builds every day? |
| 09:25:04 | sideral | Llorean: BTW, the manual should explain this pretty well. If it doesn't, please tell me and I'll fix it |
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| 09:25:32 | sideral | Llorean: That's not what I said, but yes, I update builds quite often |
| 09:25:32 | amiconn | (except clients which don't support sdl builds, but anyway, the round would never finish in theory) |
| 09:25:32 | Zagor | amiconn: not all clients announce sdl capability |
| 09:26:09 | amiconn | Yeah, but what does the master do if there are builds left which no client is able to build? |
| 09:26:19 | Zagor | it drops those builds |
| 09:26:27 | amiconn | And the round fails? |
| 09:26:36 | Zagor | well, the round completes with failed builds |
| 09:27:01 | amiconn | hmm |
| 09:27:09 | amiconn | Why didn't that happen then? |
| 09:28:06 | Zagor | good question |
| 09:28:08 | sideral | Llorean: BTW, I doubt Gamefreak264 really wants resume on *automatic* track change in his Audiobooks folder |
| 09:29:07 | sideral | Llorean: Possibly he's just missing a feature that points out the last-interrupted track in his file/DB browser view |
| 09:29:56 | Zagor | amiconn: "Completed: build sdlapplication client triton-amiconn" |
| 09:30:22 | Zagor | don't ask me how :) |
| 09:32:16 | Zagor | what type of system is triton? |
| 09:34:52 | amiconn | Debian squeeze x86_64 (VM) |
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| 09:49:45 | CIA-70 | New commit by jethead71 (r29492): Merge functionality of wakeups and semaphores−− fewer APIs and object types. semaphore_wait takes a timeout now so codecs and plugins have to be made ... |
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| 09:55:17 | CIA-70 | r29492 build result: 24 errors, 5292 warnings (jethead71 committed) |
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| 09:56:52 | wodz | Zagor: I think your change to genlang match() is incorrect |
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| 09:57:12 | Zagor | it produces the same output |
| 09:58:15 | wodz | the two lines you removed handle the case of wildcards in target name. If you remove them you change the meaning of the wildcard matching |
| 09:58:38 | Zagor | I didn't remove them, I moved them |
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| 09:59:02 | Zagor | so they are only called when needed |
| 09:59:21 | wodz | ah yes I missed this |
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| 10:00:48 | wodz | this can be optimized farther. match() is called only in one place. Inlining this will remove (quite big) overhead of sub-with-args |
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| 10:01:31 | Zagor | wodz: yes, as you see match is in fact no longer called at all and should have been removed |
| 10:01:38 | wodz | arrgh you seem to do that as well |
| 10:01:42 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:02:29 | Zagor | my next step was precompiling the match regex, but I decided it was too late at night |
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| 10:02:57 | wodz | I have it locally and it works - your read in my mind :-) |
| 10:03:17 | JdGordon | parsing english.lang once would probably make the other optimisations pointless |
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| 10:04:10 | wodz | there are a few places where we strip single chars (\r mostly) which can be optimized by using tr//d instead of s//g variant |
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| 10:04:27 | wodz | but yes this is minor compared to english.lang parsing |
| 10:04:41 | wodz | Zagor:^ |
| 10:07:34 | CIA-70 | New commit by jethead71 (r29493): Fix pretty colors from r29492 - PP5002 need sems too. |
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| 10:12:36 | CIA-70 | r29493 build result: All green |
| 10:15:47 | pixelma | JdGordon: I also think only keeping the last 4 dailies is a bit too few and I've been mentioning it a few times ever since the change was made and there was a situation some slightly older dailies would have helped |
| 10:16:25 | pixelma | doesn't happen very often but it does |
| 10:20:34 | JdGordon | are the raw/base/whatever images for cabbie in svn yet? |
| 10:20:56 | JdGordon | and can someone with no image skills actually do anything to port them to a new screen size? |
| 10:22:50 | CIA-70 | New commit by wodz (r29494): genlang: Remove unused subs. Use precompiled regex in parsetarget(). Minor tweek by substituting s/\r//g with tr/\r//d. |
| 10:24:01 | Zagor | wodz: did you profile that change? |
| 10:24:11 | * | LinusN nominates jethead71 for the Best Commit Comment award - he writes really meaningful commit comments - kudos! |
| 10:24:40 | LinusN | (apart from doing extremely valuable commits) |
| 10:24:43 | * | jhMikeS bows :) |
| 10:25:06 | Zagor | wodz: I discovered yesterday that doing just that actually causes *more* regcomp calls... |
| 10:25:43 | pixelma | like "Fix pretty colors from r29492" ? ;) |
| 10:25:50 | LinusN | pixelma: :-P |
| 10:26:35 | Zagor | wodz: ...and I had to break out the owl book to understand why :) |
| 10:27:16 | CIA-70 | r29494 build result: 758 errors, 0 warnings (wodz committed) |
| 10:27:36 | JdGordon | haha nice one |
| 10:28:15 | wodz | how is it possible |
| 10:28:47 | Zagor | that was a little surprising |
| 10:29:12 | wodz | grr removed too much |
| 10:29:20 | Zagor | ah, blank |
| 10:29:40 | jhMikeS | pixelma: isn't that lacking half the context "- PP5002 need sems too."? |
| 10:30:03 | wodz | Zagor: regexp is compiled a few thousend times while the regexp match is performed ~30 000 times |
| 10:30:29 | pixelma | jhMikeS: yeah, which I can't make head or tail about too |
| 10:31:25 | jhMikeS | it is for heads and tails |
| 10:33:39 | Zagor | pixelma: the comment explains what the red fix did: add semaphore objects for pp5002 too. |
| 10:33:57 | Zagor | I think it was quite clear. |
| 10:34:51 | jhMikeS | it could have said they were inapproprately removed because the dual-core codecs use them :\ |
| 10:34:54 | pixelma | if you can parse sems correctly (which I didn't at first) and not read it as a typoed "seems" :| |
| 10:35:21 | wodz | Zagor: why is this blank() needed I don't get it |
| 10:36:35 | linuxstb | LinusN, Zagor: Can either of you remember the history of the chip8 emulator? I noticed the code contains a non-gpl-compatible license (no commercial use, notify the author). Is there a special reason that was accepted? |
| 10:37:08 | LinusN | linuxstb: my official comment to that is "oops" :-) |
| 10:37:34 | Zagor | I don't remember it being mentioned either. I think it was a mistake. |
| 10:38:47 | Zagor | wodz: it is the default/empty parse function. |
| 10:39:57 | wodz | eh I just revert whole commit I think |
| 10:40:14 | Zagor | ok |
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| 10:42:54 | CIA-70 | New commit by wodz (r29495): Revert r29494 as It is a) buggy b) doesn't seem to do any good in terms of speed. |
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| 10:56:40 | webguest67 | Hi, i was here 2 days ago about my Sansa Clip+ not being detectable on my computer |
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| 10:57:00 | webguest67 | And i've now formatted it by turning the Clip on and going to Settings > Format |
| 10:57:16 | webguest67 | and when i try and turn it on now Rockbox still pops up but then says "Firmware not found" |
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| 10:57:31 | webguest67 | is there anyway i can get it to boot up using the normal Sansa firmware? |
| 10:58:13 | JdGordon | hehe nice, tools/autoconf just works int he android build dir :) |
| 10:58:27 | gevaerts | webguest67: you mean apart from holding the button one normally holds to boot to the original firmware? |
| 10:59:02 | webguest67 | To normally boot from original firmware i have to hold left and the on button |
| 10:59:13 | webguest67 | i want it to go back to normal of just the 'on' button |
| 10:59:26 | webguest67 | seeing as though Rockbox doesnt work now and just says "Cant find firmware" |
| 10:59:40 | gevaerts | Well, you removed rockbox by formatting |
| 10:59:57 | gevaerts | So obviously it's not there any more, and the bootloader won't find it |
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| 11:00:26 | webguest67 | Yes, that's why i dont want it to boot up trying to find it every time |
| 11:00:35 | webguest67 | I want it to boot up finding the firmware which is on there |
| 11:00:41 | webguest67 | ie the original |
| 11:01:11 | gevaerts | You have to uninstall the bootloader then, which you do by reinstalling the original firmware, as mentioned in http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-220002.5.2 |
| 11:01:18 | * | JdGordon is getting a bunch of warnings on android |
| 11:01:27 | JdGordon | dunno who's commit broke it thouhg |
| 11:02:17 | JdGordon | oh joy... android doesnt build atm.. hosted/yesno.c error |
| 11:03:17 | webguest67 | if i was to use the Rockbox automatic installer to reinstall Rockbox |
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| 11:05:39 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you broke android... it uses struct wakeup |
| 11:05:39 | JdGordon | gevaerts: can we get the first step of the android build into the build system :) |
| 11:07:45 | amiconn | Zagor: Maybe it's due to the fact that the sdl in use is not native sdl, but migw32-sdl? |
| 11:09:11 | Zagor | amiconn: I don't see how that would have any effect. the hang was in tools/configure. |
| 11:09:22 | amiconn | hmm |
| 11:11:52 | kugel_ | amiconn: the sdl app doesn't use mingw32-sdl |
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| 11:14:01 | CIA-70 | New commit by jdgordon (r29496): Make android compile (untested) |
| 11:14:09 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: oh sorry, just switch it to semaphore and for init max=1, start=0 |
| 11:14:30 | JdGordon | done :) |
| 11:15:58 | webguest67 | I can't get it to not boot up using the Rockbox thing |
| 11:16:40 | webguest67 | I've tried the Rockbox automatic installer to get rid of the bootloader but it just says something along the lines of it can't and i need to do it myself |
| 11:16:48 | webguest67 | so i tried doing this: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-01-01-35-amp-02-01-35-Release/td-p/144965# |
| 11:16:56 | webguest67 | but it still isn't working |
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| 11:18:02 | webguest67 | (please can anyone help me) |
| 11:18:23 | CIA-70 | r29496 build result: All green |
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| 11:36:30 | JdGordon | kugel: can you put your line height patch somewhere? |
| 11:36:44 | JdGordon | its but ugly but yeah, svn is unusable after trying it :p[ |
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| 11:39:37 | kugel | JdGordon: it's on my git repo |
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| 11:44:28 | JdGordon | swap16/32 redefined? |
| 11:44:34 | JdGordon | anyone wanna claim responsability? |
| 11:44:42 | kugel | yea, caused by TheSeven's commit |
| 11:45:44 | CIA-70 | New commit by jdgordon (r29497): Enable hotkey on all the touchscreen targets |
| 11:47:39 | JdGordon | hmm... I wonder if touch regions have ordering at all... |
| 11:49:04 | JdGordon | I'm getting a lovely black screen on first load on my phone |
| 11:49:19 | JdGordon | pressing back and reentering fixes it |
| 11:49:48 | kugel | yes, I need to investigate that |
| 11:50:30 | CIA-70 | r29497 build result: All green |
| 11:51:33 | JdGordon | Ladies and Gentlemen.... bloody use more than one letter for labels in skins! That support has been there for more than a full release already!! |
| 11:51:59 | JdGordon | %?C<%Vd(c)%?Tl(2.0)<%Vd(t)|%Vd(d)>|%Vd(a)%?Tl(2.0)<%Vd(t)|%Vd(b)>> <- unreadable |
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| 11:59:23 | sideral | Looks like sendmail.cf −− I'm loving it |
| 11:59:57 | sideral | I hope that space vs tab is significant in it? ;) |
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| 12:02:41 | JdGordon | some people apparently think spaces are important to keep out! |
| 12:18:43 | wodz | JdGordon: considering the code people look at when learning new syntax it is easy to see lack of spaces as requirement |
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| 13:17:05 | [Saint] | JdGordon: That started many revisions ago |
| 13:17:12 | [Saint] | I wasn't sure it wasn't my theme. |
| 13:17:17 | [Saint] | Glad you see it too./ |
| 13:17:28 | [Saint] | my .sbs is *warped* on first load. |
| 13:17:59 | [Saint] | (multiple loads after the first are all ok, though) |
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| 13:30:51 | CIA-70 | New commit by zagor (r29498): Added english id caching to speed up builds. |
| 13:32:56 | n1s | Zagor: cool |
| 13:35:07 | CIA-70 | r29498 build result: 190 errors, 0 warnings (zagor committed) |
| 13:35:34 | Zagor | hmm |
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| 13:36:43 | amiconn | /english.list ? |
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| 13:36:56 | amiconn | That certainly won't work in a sane build environment |
| 13:36:58 | Zagor | it's the cache file |
| 13:37:06 | amiconn | Note the '/' |
| 13:37:14 | Zagor | yeah, it's a bug. obviously. |
| 13:39:34 | amiconn | Btw, couldn't you make english.list creation a separate step in the Makefile? This way timestamp checking would be automatic |
| 13:40:57 | Zagor | you could. but it would mean adding more to the makefile (in a point where it already is very complex) without really gaining much. |
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| 13:45:08 | kugel | genlang is also complex ;) |
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| 13:47:52 | CIA-70 | New commit by zagor (r29499): Only create english.list for binary output. |
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| 13:50:36 | JdGordon | [Saint]: http://pastebin.com/YxznniVC <- can you tinhk of a better way to keep the reppopup viewport open? I think i need to make touchregions be able to share ids... |
| 13:51:41 | JdGordon | also, there is a wierdness which I'm not sure is a bug or feature... the popup_area touch region gets marked as touched even when the repeat mode viewport is open.... |
| 13:52:11 | CIA-70 | r29499 build result: All green |
| 13:52:21 | JdGordon | the fix i thought of which is only mark is as pressed when the action actually gets done broke the repeat button handling completly for some reason |
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| 13:53:24 | [Saint] | I'll have a lok in ~hour or so? check the logs, I'll probably come up with something. I've been thinking of it idly. |
| 13:53:31 | [Saint] | *look too |
| 13:54:56 | JdGordon | http://jdgordon.info/rockbox/repmode-480x800x16.bmp is the new bmp i added if you want to test the skin |
| 13:56:18 | wodz | Zagor: we can drop if($_ =~ /^ *\<phrase\>/) { entirely - It does nothing |
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| 14:00:44 | [Saint] | ew... JdGordon: just a 15 ssecond timeout? |
| 14:00:58 | [Saint] | yeah...we can do better than that. |
| 14:01:46 | [Saint] | the only alternative I can easily think of is opening and closing it manually, though. |
| 14:02:15 | [Saint] | it'd still be nice if there was a timeout so it closed if it was opened accidentally I guess, but not essential. |
| 14:03:13 | JdGordon | i started with 5 on the icon/button but it was too slow (on sdl anyway) |
| 14:05:41 | [Saint] | The idea I have going in my head involves a simple set of conditional viewports, but involves opening and closing the popup panel manually...which isn't too bad is it? or is it? |
| 14:06:06 | [Saint] | (if it really is, I'll try harder to come up with something special...but this is my first idea) |
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| 14:11:04 | JdGordon | how do you mean opening/closing manually? |
| 14:11:23 | JdGordon | we have no way of forcing the viewport to stay open |
| 14:11:30 | JdGordon | which is why i thought we would need variables |
| 14:18:06 | [Saint] | yeah, my way needs a toggle...which I kinda forgot we couldn't do. |
| 14:18:42 | [Saint] | The toggle is actually the more critical element, compared to being able to timeout and I'm bloody surprised I didn't think of it last night. |
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| 14:22:26 | silentmage | Just fot rockbox for my toshiba gigabeat meg-f40. my win7 laptop recognized it but my xp sp3 desktop doesn't |
| 14:23:06 | silentmage | Do I need to get special drivers? I got the gigabeat room and firmware update from toshiba but it didn't install any drivers |
| 14:24:12 | JdGordon | [Saint]: so lets do toggles but more generically.... how would be do it? 2 tags? one to init and one to set the value? |
| 14:25:32 | [Saint] | two tags? it only needs one tag with a true/false does it not? |
| 14:26:11 | JdGordon | and which is the default? |
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| 14:26:27 | [Saint] | the first touch would be true, the second false, ino. |
| 14:26:27 | JdGordon | im thinking more generaly, it would store a number, not just true/false |
| 14:26:38 | [Saint] | *imo |
| 14:27:14 | JdGordon | %?Tl(foo, 1)<%set(bar, 1)> <- to toggle |
| 14:27:23 | JdGordon | then inside the other viewpoert the same but set to 0 |
| 14:27:30 | [Saint] | Hmmm...perhaps I need to think of what I need first before blindly suggesting things that might work. ;) |
| 14:28:07 | [Saint] | Hmm, no, you're right. That should work. |
| 14:28:49 | [Saint] | Then each could toggle the other cyclicly. yeah, that'll work. |
| 14:30:07 | JdGordon | except we need to then define what value is the default by the engine |
| 14:30:20 | JdGordon | which could be 0 |
| 14:30:44 | * | JdGordon is going to get this turing complete one day! :D |
| 14:30:54 | [Saint] | yeah, I think in this case (with the intended use) it's safer for the toggles to always default off. |
| 14:31:13 | JdGordon | this isnt the final intended use though |
| 14:31:31 | [Saint] | What else could we apply a toggle to? |
| 14:31:56 | [Saint] | I'll probably think of something eventually...but I can't now. |
| 14:32:50 | JdGordon | it isnt a toggle.... |
| 14:33:09 | JdGordon | how about sub-menus done fully with this? |
| 14:33:29 | JdGordon | hmm, you could do that with just toggles also i tinhk |
| 14:33:38 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 14:34:14 | JdGordon | there is a patch adding variables on the tracker now, it has other uses like showing different screens |
| 14:34:15 | [Saint] | I had that in mind yesterday...though I wasn't sure exactly how to do it. |
| 14:34:57 | JdGordon | imagine a row of buttons on the sbs each showing a different block of info? one conditional to deide which viewport to display |
| 14:36:10 | [Saint] | then I'd be confused about yet more touch tags that work in the .sbs while we still can't control volume/playback from it! :P |
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| 14:36:25 | JdGordon | you can |
| 14:36:56 | JdGordon | ah no, my bad |
| 14:36:59 | [Saint] | (with touch areas?)when did that happen? |
| 14:37:06 | [Saint] | ah. |
| 14:38:03 | * | JdGordon should fix that |
| 14:38:28 | JdGordon | you can mute in the sbs |
| 14:38:31 | JdGordon | isnt that enough? :p |
| 14:38:46 | [Saint] | Oh, you can? Wow. |
| 14:39:10 | [Saint] | I didn't know that...I just assumed it wouldn't work. Oh, yes. You can. |
| 14:39:26 | [Saint] | (all the code is in my .sbs waiting for the day it magically works) |
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| 14:44:00 | lulzb0t | hi guys |
| 14:44:08 | lulzb0t | issue with my ipod 5g |
| 14:44:24 | lulzb0t | i installed rockbox 3.8 to give it a try |
| 14:44:35 | lulzb0t | then uninstalled it again |
| 14:45:16 | lulzb0t | both via the rockbox installer tool on windows xp |
| 14:45:23 | lulzb0t | well |
| 14:45:34 | lulzb0t | now the ipod doesnt show up on usb |
| 14:45:55 | lulzb0t | screen is constantly lit in some kind of unresponsive rockbox without skin |
| 14:46:48 | lulzb0t | reset does not work |
| 14:47:09 | [Saint] | How are you trying to reset. |
| 14:47:31 | [Saint] | the actual "reset" is hardware linked, and can't fail unless your iPod is broken. |
| 14:47:51 | lulzb0t | the menu + select + hold thing |
| 14:48:07 | [Saint] | holding Menu+Select for ~30 seconds should be sufficient. |
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| 14:49:04 | lulzb0t | so the hold key back and forth procedure is unnes |
| 14:49:13 | lulzb0t | *unnecessary? |
| 14:49:38 | lulzb0t | ok |
| 14:49:47 | lulzb0t | apple logo now showing |
| 14:49:48 | JdGordon | while im thinking of it, if %var(name, val) sets it, is %?var(name)<...> OK to get the value? |
| 14:49:55 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:49:57 | [Saint] | In most cases, yes. But it guarantees that hold is in the off position. |
| 14:50:44 | [Saint] | re: "is the hold on/off step unnecessary?" |
| 14:50:44 | JdGordon | ... and with sublines and an inc/dec command it can even automatically loop (which thinking about it isnt really that special) |
| 14:51:22 | [Saint] | JdGordon: doesn't _inc/dec loop anyway? |
| 14:51:36 | lulzb0t | saint, i love you. i dont know how, but obviously you are good karma. worked now. was a gift to my wife. i tried to pimp it. you saved me from decapitation by the hands of a 160cm mexican executive chef. |
| 14:51:43 | JdGordon | [Saint]: eventually it would |
| 14:51:44 | lulzb0t | rly |
| 14:51:52 | lulzb0t | in a total male way of course |
| 14:52:02 | * | JdGordon thinks he can do a full animation with 1 image and 3 or 4 skin lines |
| 14:52:03 | [Saint] | Happy to help ;) |
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| 14:52:30 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Huh? 0_o |
| 14:55:28 | JdGordon | [Saint]: http://pastebin.com/X9q0EW63 |
| 14:56:21 | [Saint] | hmmm. |
| 14:56:34 | lulzb0t | on a sidenote: everything i found on the net says that rockbox cannot brick an ipod. |
| 14:57:20 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: In normal use, this is correct. |
| 14:57:23 | lulzb0t | but isnt the bootloader thing a nand modification which can be lethal if something during the write process goes sideways? |
| 14:57:41 | JdGordon | [Saint]: hmmm? because it uses %if() and %xd() in the way you hate? :D |
| 14:57:45 | * | JdGordon really going to bed now |
| 14:57:51 | [Saint] | that's not counting somebody doing something enormously stupid or using the software in an unexpected way though. |
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| 14:58:17 | lulzb0t | like unplugging usb during flashing for example |
| 14:58:46 | lulzb0t | i only had experience flashing htc smartphones before |
| 14:59:15 | lulzb0t | so technically it is the same process the guys at xda-devs use to flash these devices? |
| 14:59:22 | lulzb0t | tell me if im annoying |
| 14:59:27 | lulzb0t | just interested |
| 14:59:28 | [Saint] | iTunes should always be able to recover the device, even if it takes some manual intervention like zeroing the beginning of the disk to make it appear empty. |
| 14:59:51 | [Saint] | there's a few ways it can fail where iTunes doesn't want to see the device, which can be problematic. |
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| 15:00:23 | lulzb0t | thats what really gave me the cold sweats before |
| 15:00:35 | [Saint] | But it's also possible to restore an iPod without iTunes, so...as long as you can write to disk, it's recoverable (pretty much) |
| 15:00:38 | lulzb0t | when the device didnt show up on usb anymore |
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| 15:03:46 | [Saint] | with the Nano3G onwards there's also DFU mode (Nano2G has DFU mode also, but it's not accessable without opening the case iiuc) which is a special "when all else fails" mode that the iPod can be put into tel tell iTunes "I'm really messed up! fix me!" and the iPod is passed a .WTF file to restore it. |
| 15:04:04 | [Saint] | (I may have taken some liberties in oversimplification there ;)) |
| 15:06:11 | lulzb0t | thanks for the clarification |
| 15:06:44 | lulzb0t | though it was no nano |
| 15:06:52 | lulzb0t | but the ipod 5g |
| 15:06:56 | lulzb0t | ipod video |
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| 15:26:25 | Torne | lulzb0t: the ipod video doesn't need to be flashed as part of installing rockbox, so there is no risk of that happening |
| 15:26:37 | Torne | lulzb0t: the bootloader is installed to the hard drive, not the flash |
| 15:26:45 | Torne | interrupting it is perfectly safe |
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| 15:27:38 | Torne | only the more recent ipods get flashed during install, and most of those have a ROM based recovery as saint said (though sadly the nano2g is not able to be put into it easily) |
| 15:28:20 | [Saint] | well, it is...it's the opening the case part that's annoying ;) |
| 15:32:02 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: Out of interest, and curiousity...why was it that you uninstalled Rockbox? Was there some issue with it that we might be able to help you work out? |
| 15:32:31 | [Saint] | The reason why I ask this is that most people don't even think about going back after the initial learning curve. |
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| 15:35:28 | lulzb0t | no not really, its just that the ipod is for my wife, so its cute skin + usability over versatility. |
| 15:36:25 | lulzb0t | the skins that rockbox offers dont have the same amount of eyecandy and because of the open concept are not as intuitive |
| 15:36:45 | lulzb0t | if i were to use it i would have kept rockbox on |
| 15:37:16 | lulzb0t | @torne: thanks |
| 15:37:27 | [Saint] | the open concept (I assume you mean because we're open source) has nothing to do with the skin being intuitive or not. |
| 15:37:49 | lulzb0t | nope, semantical mixup |
| 15:37:50 | [Saint] | there's several themes based on a theme I designed that mimick the Apple theme exactly also. |
| 15:37:55 | lulzb0t | customizability |
| 15:38:18 | lulzb0t | may i ask for the theme names? |
| 15:38:58 | [Saint] | If you hang on one second, I'll upload mine. Many impatient people loaded rather incomplete versions onto the themesite. |
| 15:39:15 | lulzb0t | the nearest one was iclassic |
| 15:39:40 | lulzb0t | also there was no pink skin :)) |
| 15:40:07 | [Saint] | Yeah...they're all ripped or built off a theme I did a few months back. Most give credit which is nice. |
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| 15:41:31 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-0d770c05.html |
| 15:42:29 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: extract that to the root of the iPod (assuming Rockbox is installed) and then select the theme file from settings - theme settings - browse theme files as normal. |
| 15:43:25 | [Saint] | it's called "iLike" |
| 15:46:49 | lulzb0t | i hope youll understand that ill not put rockbox on. i was on msn with the guy who sent the ipod and gave him the shock of the century when i assumed id bricked it. was kinda retarded anyway to mess with a gift meant for her anyway. |
| 15:47:01 | lulzb0t | though i understand that itd be safe to do so |
| 15:47:24 | lulzb0t | -anyway |
| 15:49:56 | lulzb0t | because you were asking for suggestions: to prevent anyone else from being like "wtf" when the ipod hangs after uninstalling itd make sense to put a short caveat about proper resetting into the unoinstallation feedback |
| 15:50:19 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: It's not supposed to do that. |
| 15:50:34 | [Saint] | it should have reset after you ininstalled the bootloader and safely ejected it. |
| 15:50:45 | [Saint] | I suspect you may not have safely ejected. |
| 15:50:58 | lulzb0t | cos the page i found on the net spoke quite unspecifically about pushing hold back and forth instead of pointing out that is has to be off |
| 15:51:03 | [Saint] | *uninstalled |
| 15:51:18 | lulzb0t | which was the starting point for the ensuing near heartattack |
| 15:51:52 | lulzb0t | i id eject via the xp ejection dialog |
| 15:52:00 | lulzb0t | *did |
| 15:52:11 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: Hmmmm...I didn't think we needed to point out that hold needs to be off for the clickwheel to function, but it tripped you up, so I guess we do. |
| 15:52:14 | [Saint] | thanks. |
| 15:52:31 | lulzb0t | well, first time i had an ipod in my hands |
| 15:52:56 | [Saint] | And I'm not sure what went wrong...but it should have reset automatically after it was ejected. |
| 15:53:01 | [Saint] | No idea why it didn't. |
| 15:53:27 | lulzb0t | would be clear to anyone with 10 minutes of experience ofc. but i was kinda virginal at that point. |
| 15:53:44 | Torne | [Saint]: Er, you *do* need to turn the hold switch on and off to guarantee ti works, it seems |
| 15:53:55 | Torne | I've been unable to reset it until I've doen that before |
| 15:54:18 | Torne | also including that step saves user confusion since it guarantees the process will work no matter where the hold switch was to start with :) |
| 15:54:51 | lulzb0t | dunno about that, but the page simply said back and forth and nothing about the final position before reset. |
| 15:54:52 | [Saint] | Torne: Hmmm...see, I always thought that was a step to ensure you didn't just try to stupidly do it with the hold switch engaged. |
| 15:54:56 | Torne | and yes, it should reset automatically after you uninstall as well |
| 15:55:03 | Torne | [Saint]: I assumed so as well |
| 15:55:04 | lulzb0t | though not your page, so not your problem ;) |
| 15:55:18 | Torne | Any write to the firmware partition or MBR causes a reset on eject |
| 15:55:27 | Torne | even if you don't actually change anything at all |
| 15:55:33 | Torne | just touching that part of the disk makes the ipod know it needs to reboot |
| 15:55:54 | Torne | ..unless you were in Rockbox when you uninstalled it |
| 15:55:56 | Torne | since we don't do that detection |
| 15:56:00 | lulzb0t | one can say about apple what one may want to say |
| 15:56:06 | Torne | but if you were in rockbox then you would've had to shut down the player afterward anywya |
| 15:56:08 | lulzb0t | but they think when they design stuff |
| 15:56:10 | Torne | and that should be sufficient |
| 15:56:58 | lulzb0t | @torne: it froze into a bright screen with the menu items visible but without theme |
| 15:57:06 | lulzb0t | nop |
| 15:57:11 | Torne | yes, that's because you deleted rockbox *while rockbox was running* |
| 15:57:14 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: http://imgur.com/OVRiw <−− my "iPod" theme |
| 15:57:30 | Torne | windows doesn't work too well if you delete c:\windows while it's running either |
| 15:57:37 | Torne | next time: reboot to the emergency disk mode first |
| 15:57:39 | lulzb0t | :) |
| 15:57:47 | Torne | then when you uninstall it will just reset and load the OF afterward automatically |
| 15:58:15 | Torne | alternatively, only uninstall the bootloader :) |
| 15:58:25 | Torne | if you'd left .rockbox behind that wouldn't've crashed either |
| 15:58:33 | Torne | and you could've deleted it later after rebooting to the OF |
| 15:58:34 | lulzb0t | nice theme btw, does it also have the sliding effect when changing menu levels? |
| 15:59:17 | [Saint] | Torne: Rockbox *should* actually handle deleting the .rockbox folder itslelf...no idea if it can handle something else doing it though. |
| 15:59:25 | lulzb0t | hey, not faulting you for my newbie follies |
| 15:59:27 | Torne | [Saint]: er, what? |
| 15:59:36 | Torne | [Saint]: how do you mean "handle"? |
| 15:59:39 | [Saint] | lulzb0t: One of two things it lacks, the other being antialiased fonts. |
| 15:59:46 | [Saint] | (but I have a custom build for that) |
| 15:59:57 | Torne | if something deletes it during usb disk mode then we already closed all our filehandles on things like the UI font |
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| 16:00:08 | Torne | so when you return from disk mode you can't load any text any more if you're using a fontcache font |
| 16:00:12 | Torne | and similar |
| 16:00:14 | Torne | becauset hose files will fail to reopen |
| 16:00:17 | [Saint] | Torne: It should be ok to deletew the .rockbox folder withthe filebrowser for instance. |
| 16:00:25 | Torne | er, no it isn't |
| 16:00:32 | Torne | if it doesnt' crash that's a fluke |
| 16:00:33 | [Saint] | it shouldn't hard lock just beacuse of it, is what I mean. |
| 16:00:45 | Torne | Hard locking might not be ideal, no |
| 16:00:45 | [Saint] | obviously things will stop functioning. |
| 16:00:48 | Torne | but it may well panic |
| 16:01:01 | Torne | since if you delete the font you're using and the fontcache tries to load more chars from it, what're you supposed to do? :) |
| 16:01:03 | [Saint] | I've tried it before and got away with it..lets see. |
| 16:01:11 | Torne | ..do we even handle deleting open files sanely, actually? |
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| 16:01:18 | Torne | open for writing, that is |
| 16:01:52 | [Saint] | hahahaha...yep |
| 16:02:02 | [Saint] | Rockbox can delete the .rockbox dir fine ;) |
| 16:02:07 | Torne | Er, no |
| 16:02:09 | Torne | you haven't proven that |
| 16:02:23 | lulzb0t | anyway, thx guys |
| 16:02:25 | Torne | 1) are you using a cached font and did you look at something that uses a character not in the cache after |
| 16:02:30 | lulzb0t | ill go to the city now |
| 16:02:34 | [Saint] | I just deleted it, then it let me shut down. |
| 16:02:37 | [Saint] | I call that fine. |
| 16:02:40 | lulzb0t | meet the wifey over some teryaki |
| 16:02:48 | lulzb0t | and hand her the ipod |
| 16:02:52 | Torne | but it may not do that if yuo happen to be using a different font, is my point |
| 16:03:01 | lulzb0t | instead of being sliced to pieces with a ginzu knife |
| 16:03:03 | lulzb0t | :) |
| 16:03:09 | [Saint] | I'm using a userfont. |
| 16:03:16 | [Saint] | should I try it with sysfont? |
| 16:03:17 | Torne | Yes, but is it one that fits in the buffer entirely? |
| 16:03:26 | [Saint] | I'd say...yes. |
| 16:03:28 | Torne | no, you would need to try it with a font that's too big to be loaded entire |
| 16:03:34 | [Saint] | it's a bigass antialiased font |
| 16:03:34 | Torne | because otherwise the font isn't left open |
| 16:03:41 | Torne | how big? |
| 16:03:54 | [Saint] | ~230Kb...on a Nano1G |
| 16:04:07 | Torne | 230kb might just about fit |
| 16:04:11 | Torne | some of that is metadata :) |
| 16:04:18 | Torne | iirc the buffer is 200000 bytes |
| 16:04:28 | [Saint] | Hmmm...well, I'm still surprised it "just works" ;) |
| 16:04:38 | [Saint] | not many things handle deleting themselves. |
| 16:04:43 | Torne | also, if you just went back to the main menyu then the odds are you still had all the chars visible in the main menu cached |
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| 16:05:04 | Torne | if you'd just been looking at a bunch of CJK filenames and it happened that the letter "S" had been pushed out of the cache, it may act different :) |
| 16:05:21 | Torne | my point is your experiment doesn't prove anything :) |
| 16:05:38 | Torne | to actually know whether it's safe you'd have to inspect the code for everything that may potentially have a file open udner .rockbox |
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| 16:05:48 | [Saint] | It proves what I said isn't entirely *un*true! :P |
| 16:05:50 | Torne | which is quite a lot of thigns (database stats, fonts, voice, etc) |
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| 16:06:07 | Torne | yes, youv'e shown it's not guaranteed to crash every time :) |
| 16:06:19 | Torne | well done ;) |
| 16:07:54 | [Saint] | I'll take that bow. :D |
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| 16:11:14 | [Saint] | Torne: After you try to use a font that's been deleted...it just happily switches over to sysfont. |
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| 16:11:29 | [Saint] | quite a nice (probably a fluke) way to handle it. |
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| 16:41:32 | [Saint] | #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == PLAYER_PAD <−− This is "An App build with a DPAD"? |
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| 16:47:48 | [Saint] | wait...hmmm, isn't there some define somewhere to just always include shutdown in the main menu? |
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| 16:50:38 | linuxstb | [Saint]: "PLAYER_PAD" means the keypad of the Archos Player. |
| 16:50:52 | [Saint] | Ah...right. |
| 16:51:04 | [Saint] | thanks linuxstb |
| 16:51:49 | linuxstb | It's because hardware limitations prevent shutting down via a button. |
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| 16:57:30 | Roasted | With rockbox installed when I plug in my sansa, nothing at all happens. What can I do? I'm trying to mount it as a storage device to add more music |
| 16:57:33 | [Saint] | Well, lets assume I want shutdown in the menu at all times, is this sane? : http://pastebin.com/3CWFTnMX |
| 16:58:12 | gevaerts | Roasted: which model? |
| 16:58:18 | Roasted | uh |
| 16:58:25 | Roasted | hang on it's coming to me... |
| 16:58:29 | Roasted | fuze v2? |
| 16:58:34 | gevaerts | right |
| 16:59:15 | gevaerts | On the fuze v2 we don't do USB yet, so you have to boot to the original firmware. The easiest way is probably to plug it in while it's turned off |
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| 16:59:33 | Roasted | that's what I did, but ever since I installed rockbox, even the default firmware has issues with it. |
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| 17:00:14 | Roasted | I plugged the thing in about a dozen times here and it just does nothing. It gets power though and begins charging. |
| 17:00:48 | gevaerts | Is the cable OK? |
| 17:01:04 | Roasted | it's pretty much brand new. hasn't fialed me yet. |
| 17:01:42 | Roasted | I like what rockbox offers, so don't think I'm blaming it. But the truth is I've had connectivity issues with even the manufacturer's firmware when connecting to the computer once I installed rockbox. |
| 17:01:59 | Roasted | I've also noticed my music listing on manu. firmware is very off now. |
| 17:02:11 | * | gevaerts hasn't heard of that sort of problem before... |
| 17:02:17 | Roasted | It'll show up like 3 brands, when I have about 70 on here. It'll also show random characters in place of bands, like { } [] [] or something random. |
| 17:02:28 | Roasted | So instead of Pearl Jam I'll see [ ] |
| 17:02:30 | Roasted | or random backslashes. |
| 17:02:32 | Roasted | etc. |
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| 17:02:48 | [Saint] | Sounds like your FS is toast |
| 17:02:56 | Roasted | well, all I did was install rockbox. :) |
| 17:03:02 | Roasted | so for that sake I sure hope it's not |
| 17:03:37 | [Saint] | well, there's multiple "everything you do you do at your own risk" warnings...but, still, it shouldn't happen. |
| 17:03:54 | Roasted | Oh I understand. flashing firmware on anything is taking a risk. |
| 17:04:01 | Roasted | I work in IT so I know how that goes with BIOS, etc. |
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| 17:04:16 | [Saint] | afaik when in the original FW there's no rockbox code running...so, if it's messing up on both sides, it's not our fault ;) |
| 17:04:32 | Roasted | Well, I have to blame the most inconvenient timing in the world then. |
| 17:04:34 | Roasted | because... |
| 17:04:38 | Roasted | it only happened when I installed rockbox. |
| 17:04:47 | [Saint] | but it does sound like FS corruption, have you tried a diskcheck? |
| 17:04:52 | Roasted | Literally. It immediately happened. I noticed it when I realized I could dual boot firmware. |
| 17:05:08 | Roasted | No, because when I fire up GParted with it plugged in, the file system is protected, so I can't actually see it. It comes up as unallocated. |
| 17:05:21 | [Saint] | Ohhh! |
| 17:05:24 | [Saint] | Linux! |
| 17:05:26 | [Saint] | aha. |
| 17:05:28 | Roasted | Of course. |
| 17:05:35 | Roasted | Wouldn't have it any other way. |
| 17:05:45 | [Saint] | there's some EHCI bug that's messing up a lot of things as I understand it. |
| 17:06:00 | [Saint] | we seem to trigger it somehow, but it affects more than just us. |
| 17:06:07 | Roasted | EHCI... |
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| 17:06:09 | Roasted | never heard of it? |
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| 17:06:52 | [Saint] | it's used for high speed usb |
| 17:07:30 | Roasted | And it's just a Linux bug? |
| 17:07:31 | [Saint] | it may or may not be related, but there's a lot of people having greif with ehci in linux presently. |
| 17:07:39 | [Saint] | afaik, yes. |
| 17:07:56 | [Saint] | If you can try on a WIn system, I would. |
| 17:09:25 | Roasted | Ehh, I'd have to dig one up somewhere. |
| 17:09:30 | Roasted | Can't say I use that OS too heavily. |
| 17:12:06 | [Saint] | If it's not the port, or the cable...and the same thing is happening on both Rockbox and Sansa firmwares, then it's a safe step to jump to looking at the OS. |
| 17:12:39 | [Saint] | if it happened exclusively with one firmware or the other, I'd be less certain. |
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| 17:13:52 | Roasted | Yeah, but the fact the FS is bringing me music in an odd way on manu. firmware makes me wonder if it sthe FS itself I suppose |
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| 17:15:26 | [Saint] | Oh, haha...yes. I missread that earlier. I thought you had checked the filesystem. |
| 17:16:38 | Roasted | no |
| 17:16:42 | Roasted | I did not check it because I couldn't |
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| 18:04:20 | WilliamC | n/m |
| 18:11:42 | kugel | I have a microsd in my e200v1 which mounts fine in rockbox, but doesn't appear on my pc when I connect |
| 18:11:50 | kugel | what could be the reason for this? |
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| 18:13:05 | mshathlonxp | can anyone explain how to manually create voice file? |
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| 18:13:43 | mshathlonxp | I mean just how to arrange and convert phrases so rockbox would undestand result, I know how to speak, record and edit :D |
| 18:16:37 | n1s | mshathlonxp: that depends on what you mean by manually |
| 18:21:23 | mshathlonxp | manually means that I'm opening and closing my mouth, creating sounds in process, recording them, editing them, and in the end should be voice file :P |
| 18:27:55 | n1s | well, encode them with rbspeexenc and build the voicefile with voicefont |
| 18:28:26 | n1s | voice.pl is as close to documentation that there is for this stuff |
| 18:28:50 | mshathlonxp | voice.pl? |
| 18:30:58 | [Saint] | mshathlonxp: You should probably have the source checked out if you're wanting to develop for Rockbox. |
| 18:31:11 | [Saint] | The source is the best documentation there is. |
| 18:31:31 | * | mshathlonxp doesn't understand any programming language |
| 18:31:55 | [Saint] | (also, when someone mentions a filename or tool...you'll know what they're talking about) |
| 18:32:17 | [Saint] | even still, you won't be able to run our tools if you don't have them. |
| 18:33:18 | [Saint] | at the very least rockbox/apps/langs, and rockbox/tools would be of use to you. |
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| 18:33:41 | n1s | mshathlonxp: yes, you need to build the voicefont and rbspeexenc tools at least, but it's easieest to just check out the whole thing and build some native build like a sim or something to get them compiled |
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| 19:29:43 | CIA-70 | New commit by bluebrother (r29500): FS #11913: Separate TTS correction expressions into separate file. ... |
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| 19:33:57 | CIA-70 | r29500 build result: All green |
| 19:38:29 | jhMikeS | EPLAYBACKENGINE :\ |
| 19:39:07 | n1s | jhMikeS: sounds bad ;) |
| 19:41:50 | jhMikeS | trying to give it a good going over |
| 19:42:31 | n1s | it is much appreciated |
| 19:44:12 | jhMikeS | thanks. is anything actually improving or has it not reached the critical point? |
| 19:45:44 | n1s | i have not been hit by any of these issues AFAIR but i mostly just resume my playlist and leave the player alone untill i shut it down |
| 19:46:29 | n1s | so i'm not doing anything exotic except the occasional track skip |
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| 19:49:36 | jhMikeS | yeah, it's mostly ok if you're easy on it |
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| 20:13:01 | CIA-70 | New commit by thomasjfox (r29501): Introduce "power" thread for RaaA ... |
| 20:13:22 | * | thomasjfox hopes not to break android builds ;) |
| 20:13:54 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: Well, believe it or not there's a way you can check that prior to committing ;) |
| 20:16:19 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: Nah, I just love when gevaerts points the finger at me :) |
| 20:17:11 | CIA-70 | r29501 build result: 3 errors, 0 warnings (thomasjfox committed) |
| 20:17:41 | * | gevaerts doesn't really know what to think of that :) |
| 20:17:42 | thomasjfox | But why wait for the android port, break the real thing! |
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| 20:26:33 | bicyclerepairman | Zagor, did you eventually find a maildrop? |
| 20:30:28 | TheSeven | thomasjfox: no, it's the CIA that's pointing fingers at you! |
| 20:30:40 | thomasjfox | This time, yes. |
| 20:31:03 | * | thomasjfox is getting the toolchain for Archos Recorder to verify the change with a real build |
| 20:35:42 | gevaerts | bicyclerepairman: in case he didn't, I guess you need GodEater_, linuxstb, stripwax, Torne, or pondlife (I might be missing some of our UK developers of course) |
| 20:36:00 | * | gevaerts guesses that pinging some people might be somewhat efficient for this :) |
| 20:36:21 | Torne | oh? |
| 20:37:20 | gevaerts | Torne: IIRC the issue is to find a UK address to ship something to that can then be sent on to whoever needs it. I can't remember what it was though, but I suspect bicyclerepairman can remind us |
| 20:38:07 | bicyclerepairman | I can |
| 20:38:22 | bicyclerepairman | I'm offering a Creative Zen Micro to any developer who wants it |
| 20:38:56 | bicyclerepairman | the sounds a bit squoogley as I said but if it helps someone out to improve the port in any way, then great |
| 20:43:15 | CIA-70 | New commit by thomasjfox (r29502): Fix red |
| 20:43:35 | thomasjfox | the sh gcc toolchain doesn't build on my host, hopefully this works |
| 20:43:43 | [Saint] | heh...squoogley, there's something about that word I love. |
| 20:44:10 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: It certainly should. |
| 20:44:19 | [Saint] | I'd look into why it isn't if I were you. |
| 20:44:27 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: Looks like a parallel build issue |
| 20:44:41 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: I'll try to build the arm eabi toolchain first to make sure it's not something general |
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| 20:55:24 | thomasjfox | the arm eabi toolchain builds. I guess the old binutils version in the sh toolchain chokes on parallel make. Will try again after the arm toolchain |
| 20:59:04 | thomasjfox | now if rockboxdev.sh would only make use of parallel make... |
| 20:59:36 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: You can edit it... |
| 20:59:52 | thomasjfox | It uses normal, serial make |
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| 21:00:15 | thomasjfox | I try to use a newer binutils version with it |
| 21:00:47 | * | thomasjfox wonders why the rockbox build is still running since 20:43 |
| 21:01:12 | gevaerts | bicyclerepairman: I'd volunteer, but I'm just slightly on the other side of the water... |
| 21:01:24 | * | [Saint] kicks CIA-70 |
| 21:01:25 | CIA-70 | ow |
| 21:01:29 | [Saint] | hmmm. |
| 21:02:09 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: You broke it, it won't build until you apologise to CIA-70 ;) |
| 21:02:19 | * | thomasjfox kicks CIA-70 |
| 21:02:25 | CIA-70 | ow |
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| 21:02:38 | thomasjfox | like that? :) |
| 21:02:46 | gevaerts | You can't really blame CIA-70 for this I'd say |
| 21:02:52 | gevaerts | It's still building! |
| 21:02:57 | thomasjfox | build.rockbox.org says the same |
| 21:03:03 | gevaerts | And I didn't change the builds file today either |
| 21:03:09 | Zagor | you can, however, blame the e1000 driver |
| 21:03:21 | * | thomasjfox blames the e1000 driver! |
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| 21:07:56 | CIA-70 | r29502 build result: 12 errors, 0 warnings (thomasjfox committed) |
| 21:07:59 | Buschel | [Saint]: you there? |
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| 21:13:26 | CIA-70 | New commit by Buschel (r29503): Backport r29476 to v3.8 branch. Disabled ATA_DMA for PP targets. |
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| 21:15:54 | CIA-70 | New commit by thomasjfox (r29504): Fix red on Archos Recorder |
| 21:16:37 | thomasjfox | binutils 2.16.1 and 2.17 don't compile on my box |
| 21:16:52 | pixelma | Buschel: did you read mails? |
| 21:17:05 | thomasjfox | I've now built the sh toolchain with 2.20.1 and it compiles rockbox just fine |
| 21:17:42 | Buschel | pixelma: If you are talking of Franks email. I saw it |
| 21:18:35 | pixelma | yes I do because I wondered why you just backported a commit that still is questioned |
| 21:18:45 | * | gevaerts wakes up |
| 21:19:12 | CIA-70 | r29504 build result: All green |
| 21:19:33 | [Saint] | Buschel: Yes, I'm here...sorry, highlight seems to not be working correctly for me. I'm downloading the 3.8 release for my Nano1G now to confirm/deny FS #11973 |
| 21:20:00 | Buschel | was it questioned? from the irc talk I walked through I understood switching off this stuff was verified to fix issues. therefor I backported it... |
| 21:20:04 | gevaerts | If that commit fixes things, it probably should go in. What I'm mainly questioning is the idea that there are no other commits that could have caused this (I'm not saying anyone specically thinks that), mainly to ensure that we keep looking |
| 21:20:35 | Buschel | [Saint]: could you already check FS #11973? |
| 21:21:21 | CIA-70 | New commit by thomasjfox (r29505): Remove redundant function prototype |
| 21:21:40 | gevaerts | Filesystem corruption is definitely something that warrants a quick fix though, even if it's not the right final fix |
| 21:21:51 | Buschel | gevaerts: I am also not convinced that this disabling should be the final solution. maybe this bug is an effect of the ATA rework a while ago in combination with the DMA?... I don't know |
| 21:21:57 | [Saint] | I wasn't able to when I thought I could, as real life interrupted, and in truth I forgot about it until I saw your message just now. Am in the process doing so now. |
| 21:23:35 | jhMikeS | where did we have a big ata rework? |
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| 21:25:14 | CIA-70 | r29505 build result: All green |
| 21:26:07 | [Saint] | Hahahah! the scrolling in pictureflow for RaaA is foolishly fast on my phone. |
| 21:26:39 | jhMikeS | same thing with gigabeat S |
| 21:26:40 | Buschel | jhMikeS: r28950 ff |
| 21:26:55 | AlexP | gevaerts, bicyclerepairman (if you see this): It can come via me |
| 21:27:57 | * | thomasjfox wonders when we fixed the data directory for pictureflow on RaaA |
| 21:29:04 | jhMikeS | Buschel: It seemed to basically be a shuffling and renaming of things but no real functional change after the one revert |
| 21:29:23 | Buschel | jhMikeS: if you say so :) |
| 21:29:32 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: from at least 29466 apparently. |
| 21:29:45 | [Saint] | (that's the revision I'm using) |
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| 21:31:44 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: I'll give the SDL app a spin |
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| 21:35:28 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I did give it a good lookover given the issues. Am I missing something? |
| 21:39:19 | Buschel | jhMikeS: I think the job regarding the known issues is done. Now we need to await possible bug reports −− either new ones or known issues reported again. |
| 21:44:33 | * | Buschel had a looong day today and will go to bed now |
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| 21:47:08 | s__C | hello |
| 21:47:11 | s__C | need you help |
| 21:47:19 | s__C | i have an ipod classic black : 05ac:1261 |
| 21:47:31 | s__C | it's not in the libipod,,,,py |
| 21:47:42 | s__C | should i edit it to get the ipod detected ? |
| 21:48:30 | wodz | I am sending scsi command to rk device with help of libusb. I do detach kernel driver. Now If I have usb-storage loaded everything is ok. If I rmmod usb-storage and suppress its loading CBW after command has bCSWStatus = 0x4c. According to usb docs this doesn't have any meaning |
| 21:48:44 | [Saint] | Installation issues are better directed to #freemyipod-support |
| 21:48:46 | wodz | any USB expert can help me? |
| 21:48:48 | [Saint] | s__C: ^ |
| 21:49:46 | wodz | The funny thing is that device sends correct usb data packet besides it reports command is not successful |
| 21:50:05 | s__C | yes [Saint] |
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| 21:50:21 | wodz | gevaerts, pamaury ? |
| 21:50:37 | [Saint] | Just directing you to my prior post..but you'd figured it out anyway. |
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| 21:51:17 | pamaury | wodz: yes ? |
| 21:51:59 | wodz | pamaury: you seem to be USB expert - could you help me maybe? |
| 21:52:52 | pamaury | I know well usb but not quite usb mass storage, I think gevaerts knows more. Perhaps when unloaded usb-storage it sends a command to RB saying to detach or something |
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| 21:53:35 | u42p | TheSeven: re my "bricked" sansa clip+. i had it off since i talked here last time. just pressed on and the rockbox logo shows. gonna insert usb cable now |
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| 21:53:46 | wodz | that's not rb thing. I am sending 'private' commands to rockchip device in order to switch it into DFU mode. |
| 21:54:04 | wodz | From dissasembly I can't see why this fails :/ |
| 21:54:05 | u42p | it just shows the logo and "Boot Ver. 2.0", nothing seems to happen |
| 21:54:47 | pamaury | ah ok, hum, perhaps it's a custom error of the rockchip code, do you know which commands usb-storage sends when it's unloaded ? |
| 21:55:01 | u42p | no sign at the pc |
| 21:55:31 | u42p | turned off after i held power for ~15s |
| 21:55:58 | pamaury | wodz: and what happen if you unplug and replug the rockchip device ? Is usb-storage reloaded ? |
| 21:56:00 | gevaerts | u42p: maybe try the "Boot Original Firmware" button? |
| 21:56:04 | u42p | plugged in usb, screen stays black and i see the 4mb partition again |
| 21:56:07 | u42p | yes, next up |
| 21:57:30 | wodz | pamaury: well If I plug dap and usb-storage loads everything is ok, even after rmmod of usb-storage. The problem occurs when I suppress loading of usb-storage in the first place (by moving module file for example) |
| 21:57:38 | u42p | hm, held power for a while, nothing happened. tried home+power, nothing. plugged in again, no sign of it |
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| 22:00:20 | pamaury | wodz: you mean that if usb-storage never loads, it doesn't work ? Perhaps you first need to send some command to the device |
| 22:00:59 | u42p | it was back on somehow. i plugged it back in to usb. monitored dmesg to see if i can turn it off (yes). held home+power, "hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5" |
| 22:01:17 | u42p | oh and the screen now shows the beginning of the sandisk animation |
| 22:01:31 | wodz | pamaury: but BulkOnly device handle only two mandatory commands - reset and get max lun. Everything else is SCSI wrapped in CBW |
| 22:01:41 | u42p | beginning as in frozen first(?) frame |
| 22:01:58 | stripwax | gevaerts - re your previous message - it doesn't cause filesystem corruption, right? (or does it .. ?) I don't recall seeing any evidence for actually requiring an fsck , but maybe I didn't look at all the related bugs on tracker |
| 22:02:05 | pamaury | wodz: perhaps you first need to send some scsi command like sense |
| 22:03:19 | wodz | pamaury: hmm good point although docs doesn't mention this |
| 22:03:50 | pamaury | I'm trying to have a look at what usb-storage does but the code is quite long :) |
| 22:04:05 | pamaury | perhaps the scsi docs says it but it's rather long |
| 22:04:20 | u42p | usb shows nothing off it at this point |
| 22:04:37 | gevaerts | wodz: you could compile usb-storage with debug enabled and see what exactly it does I think |
| 22:05:00 | pamaury | or use whireshark :) |
| 22:05:07 | gevaerts | Or that :) |
| 22:05:12 | gevaerts | Too simple! |
| 22:05:36 | wodz | pamaury: I use wireshark but with usb-storage loaded it scrolls too fast :-) |
| 22:05:44 | pamaury | hehe |
| 22:06:02 | pamaury | plug and unplug quickly, it stores everything in memory |
| 22:08:40 | u42p | well, this still does not look promising |
| 22:08:46 | u42p | bedtime, good night! |
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| 22:09:06 | pamaury | wodz: if you want, I can try with a device, see which commands are sent on init |
| 22:09:23 | wodz | ? |
| 22:10:29 | bluebroth3r | [Saint]: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11982 |
| 22:10:30 | pamaury | Perhaps you can mimic the behaviour of usb-storage, see which scsi commands are sent when it's loaded |
| 22:12:14 | wodz | yes, first I try with sense |
| 22:12:26 | gevaerts | That would make sense |
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| 22:21:22 | wodz | pamaury: you are genius :-) Sending sense scsi as a first command fixes this |
| 22:22:02 | wodz | now tell me why this shit resets instead of entering DFU |
| 22:22:18 | pamaury | wrong command ? :D |
| 22:22:33 | pamaury | what happen with usb-storage ? |
| 22:23:04 | pamaury | there might be other command too |
| 22:25:09 | wodz | the command is right and sometimes the device reacts like it should. But most of the time it is not. Other 'private' commands work always |
| 22:29:13 | wodz | pamaury: is it normal that wireshark marks some perfectly valid usb packets as malformed? |
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| 22:39:54 | [Saint] | why doesn't the cabbie theme .cfg set display icons to yes, or specify an iconset for that matter? |
| 22:40:45 | [Saint] | I assumed that "cabbie" consisted of the look you get when you install a clean Rockbox install for the first time, not just the cabbie .wps and colourscheme |
| 22:41:48 | [Saint] | as it is now, if you apply a theme that turns icons off, or applies a different iconset, if you them load the cabbie theme (perhaps expecting it to revert to the "default" look), it's not going to do so. |
| 22:42:10 | [Saint] | (which in case you haven't guessed I think isn't that great...) |
| 22:42:42 | wodz | [Saint]: I was asking the same question when I was rewriting wpsbuild.pl |
| 22:43:04 | Llorean | It sounds like an error. |
| 22:43:08 | [Saint] | wodz: It's a question that needed to be asked I think. |
| 22:43:22 | [Saint] | I don't actually use cabbie, so I just discovered this now. |
| 22:43:30 | [Saint] | otherwise I would have mentioned it sooner. |
| 22:43:52 | Llorean | Setting the theme to CabbieV2 should always get you the exact same thing, no matter what you had set previously |
| 22:44:14 | Llorean | *should* in the sense of "if it doesn't because it's missing settings, that ought to be fixed" |
| 22:44:19 | [Saint] | Llorean: Yes...but, I'm not sure that the iconset *is* cabbie? |
| 22:44:45 | [Saint] | that's one way I can explain it, but I think the cabbie theme *should* include this iconset. |
| 22:44:47 | Llorean | I'd say any visual element is part of the theme. |
| 22:45:03 | * | froggyman got to install Oregon trail II onto 24 windows vista computers... |
| 22:45:18 | amiconn | thomasjfox: What was the problem with the official sh binutils on your box? |
| 22:46:23 | thomasjfox | amiconn: It complained it was not able to find "cc1obj" during build |
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| 22:47:10 | amiconn | weird? |
| 22:47:16 | amiconn | Did you use -j ? |
| 22:47:32 | [Saint] | Llorean: I'm preparing a "Ways the look of Rockbox (cabbie/defaults) could potentially be improved" email, so I'll add that about the icons also. |
| 22:47:47 | [Saint] | (it was previously only one way, now I have two! ;)) |
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| 22:48:17 | * | amiconn usually stays away from -j when building toolchains |
| 22:48:17 | Llorean | [Saint]: I wouldn't say that "improves the look" as much as "prevents it from getting screwed up by theme changes" |
| 22:48:42 | amiconn | The few times I tried it often caused weird breakage |
| 22:50:06 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:51:39 | thomasjfox | amiconn: It didn't build with -j |
| 22:51:46 | [Saint] | There's also the "rockbox_default_icons" theme...which is to reset the icons I assume, and it does that...but if the icon display is turned off, it doesn't turn it back on. |
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| 22:51:48 | thomasjfox | I just called tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 22:51:51 | [Saint] | And, IMO it should. |
| 22:51:57 | thomasjfox | That doesn't do -j as I first suspected |
| 22:53:19 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: The data dir for pictureflow on RaaA is still broken ;) |
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| 22:53:56 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: It tries to write to the rocks directory |
| 22:54:53 | [Saint] | what does it even need to write for? And...it's working fine on Android. |
| 22:55:08 | [Saint] | Oh, that'r right...it needs to generate the thumbnails. |
| 22:55:49 | thomasjfox | [Saint]: I think the rocks live on /sdcard on Android, that's why it could be working |
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| 22:57:58 | [Saint] | thomasjfox: Nup. |
| 22:58:43 | [Saint] | I can confirm that the rocks dir does indeed not live on the sdcard in Android |
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| 23:02:47 | linuxstb | [Saint]: IIUC, "/sdcard/" isn't the SD card, if that's what you meant. |
| 23:02:48 | JdGordon | Buschel: well, my mini2g got through the night with the 3.7 release build... |
| 23:03:47 | [Saint] | linuxstb: Oh, right. It's confusing...because it is and it isn't. |
| 23:04:53 | [Saint] | I mean, I see my sdcard content as /sdcard/blah/ but there's some trickery there I understand it. |
| 23:06:31 | JdGordon | in general or rockbox? |
| 23:07:10 | JdGordon | ROCKS_DIR is in /data/data/org./rockbox/rocks (or somewhere near there) |
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| 23:09:58 | pamaury | wodz: it can happen, I don't know why. the most common example is string descriptor usually |
| 23:11:03 | sideral | jhMikeS: Saw the last message on the rockbox mailing list? I think MP4 playback is broken in 3.8 too |
| 23:11:23 | sideral | I'm trying to find a good revision to start bisecting from |
| 23:12:01 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Rockbox and Astro show the sdcard as /sdcard |
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| 23:13:00 | jhMikeS | sideral: no, haven't check mail today. |
| 23:14:46 | jhMikeS | sideral: and I haven't never managed to get the noise back on clipv1. maybe it was a poor headphone ground or something one time. |
| 23:14:55 | jhMikeS | s/never/ever/ |
| 23:16:22 | sideral | jhMikeS: Re bgnoise: Thanks for checking! |
| 23:17:07 | sideral | jhMikeS: Re: MP4: I think I was wrong suspecting your buffering changes to break MP4. It seems to have been broken earlier... |
| 23:18:22 | jhMikeS | no reason not to wonder really |
| 23:18:38 | jhMikeS | Are you talking about the message from Jon Nicoll? |
| 23:20:26 | kugel | [Saint]: /sdcard is the mount point of the sd card |
| 23:20:44 | kugel | on some roms it's a sl |
| 23:20:52 | kugel | symlink to /mnt/sdcard |
| 23:21:40 | kugel | thomasjfox: on android you have write access to the insallation dir |
| 23:21:51 | kugel | but you can't browse it without root access |
| 23:22:05 | thomasjfox | ah ok |
| 23:22:20 | thomasjfox | I'm currently looking into fixing the plugins data dir (in rbpaths.c) |
| 23:22:23 | kugel | (you can browse it if you cd to it directly, but not if you cd to the subfolders first) |
| 23:22:26 | [Saint] | kugel: Ah, right. Thanks for that. I knew there was something I could be missing, this was what I was referring to earlier when I said "some trickery". But I wasn't aware of the exact details. |
| 23:22:45 | kugel | and generally only the app itself has read/write/exec in its installation dir, and no other app |
| 23:23:04 | kugel | [Saint]: mounting isn't exactly trickery :) |
| 23:23:15 | thomasjfox | (which is because of an unique UID for every installed app) |
| 23:23:27 | kugel | right |
| 23:25:06 | sideral | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 23:26:20 | mc2739 | kugel: e200v1 now has bootloader usb mode, but it does not mount the microsd card - make sure you plug in usb after Rockbox is booted to access the microsd card |
| 23:26:42 | kugel | i did |
| 23:26:56 | kugel | i doubt the bootloader on my e200v1 is new enough to have bl usb |
| 23:29:00 | jhMikeS | sideral: there been alot of work on aac.codec since 3.7 it looks like |
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| 23:33:27 | jhMikeS | should the bl usb require a keypress to enter it maybe? |
| 23:33:53 | sideral | jhMikeS: Dang, the first release to provide reliable USB for my ClipV2, r29146, has the problem as well. Going to earlier revisions (w/o Rockbox USB) is going to be cumbersome... |
| 23:36:19 | jhMikeS | do you need a clipv2 to check this? |
| 23:36:51 | mc2739 | kugel: my microsd mounts fine on both win7 and ubuntu using r29505 |
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| 23:37:45 | sideral | jhMikeS: That's my target, but hmm, I haven't actually tried reproducing this in a sim :) |
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| 23:42:31 | jhMikeS | if it works, it might actually print what fails |
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| 23:51:48 | sideral | jhMikeS: Argh, it seems to work in the sim |
| 23:52:10 | thomasjfox | kugel: I'm about to commit this: http://pastie.org/1626498 |
| 23:52:15 | jhMikeS | by "works" you mean it doesn't fail, or the failure works? |
| 23:52:16 | thomasjfox | kugel: Any objections? |
| 23:52:38 | sideral | jhMikeS: it doesn't fail |
| 23:52:47 | jhMikeS | the "argh" should probably have been a clue |
| 23:53:08 | sideral | but the sim uses quite a different buffering mechanism if I'm not mistaken? |
| 23:54:26 | jhMikeS | it's the same app code |
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