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#rockbox log for 2011-03-03

00:01:06 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739)
00:01:46thomasjfoxkugel: Almost got it. Need to adjust, the configuration_save()/load() code, too.
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00:05:11sideraljhMikeS: The sim has a different issue: It randomly pauses playback of my MP4 file. Hrmpf.
00:05:45jhMikeS?? logf that!
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00:06:13jhMikeSsideral: the playback engine shows itself paused ?
00:06:31thomasjfoxsideral: If you compile the sim using "−−sdl-threads", you can run it inside valgrind and check for uninitialized memory access or buffer overflows
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00:08:24sideralYes, the WPS says it's paused, and I can unpause. This is with an old release though. I don't have time to dig into this too deeply now, but I'll retry with a current release when I'm finished (or have given up) finding a good release for my ClipV2 and bisecting
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00:09:19[Saint]there's no "create widget" anymore :/
00:09:49[Saint]either it's not there...or the huge RB logo combined with the addition of the cover art category bumped it off the bottom.
00:10:21[Saint](I dislike the massive RB logo personally...too much for 240x320)
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00:11:36JdGordonwe really need a way to reboot RaaA on android :/
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00:11:42JdGordonhow am i supposed to enable the databse?
00:11:49[Saint]'s pushed off the bottom of the screen...I can select it with the dpad (but not see it) and create the widget like that, but it's the only way to do it.
00:12:03[Saint]JdGordon: shutdown the service.
00:12:07[Saint]that's what I did.
00:13:04JdGordonPF sucks on my phone
00:13:09JdGordonand apparently doesnt find any images
00:14:43[Saint]Hmmm, if you start playback with the widget, if you launch the app with the widget the UI viewport doesn't change but the other %mp conditional tags do.
00:15:09[Saint]the UI viewport switches ok if the app is entered normally.
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00:16:10[Saint]JdGordon: Is it embedded? I don't think pictureflow does embedded AA.
00:17:45[Saint]Hmmm...actually, perhaps the UI viewport *doesn't* behave correctly and switch on %mp, but it "just works" because I can't alter playback from the .sbs and leaving the .wps causes a fullscreen redraw.
00:18:23[Saint]Yes, I believe that's it actually...pissing around with the widget stopping playback and entering/laving the app suggests as much.
00:19:10sideraljhMikeS: I'm now testing with r28308, a pre-3.7 rev, and I still cannot play back these two MP4 files on the device. Sometime I can see a "codec error" splash for a few milliseconds
00:19:39[Saint]JdGordon: Does that sound likely? As that is what is appearing to happen.
00:19:47JdGordonI dont understand :p
00:19:58JdGordonand dont blame me if the widget doesnt work :) not my beast
00:20:14sideraljhMikeS: So it looks like nothing between 3.7 and 3.8 broke it for these particular files :)
00:20:17kugelthomasjfox: why
00:20:23thomasjfoxkugel: Better idea?
00:20:27[Saint]The UI viewport doesn't seem to change (it's conditional to %mp) unless I leave the menu and come back to it again., or just rocks?
00:21:03thomasjfoxkugel: If we just call it just "rocks" or "plugins", then the path on android would be easy "/sdcard/rockbox/rocks"
00:21:11thomasjfoxOne can't guess it's a data directory
00:21:16JdGordon[Saint]: well yeah, thats how is always worked...
00:21:17thomasjfoxkugel: is fine with me
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00:21:31JdGordonit only takes effect when the list is (re)inited
00:21:46[Saint]JdGordon: well, the fail case is things that can affect playback without the current screen changing.
00:21:55[Saint]as it doesn't draw the UI viewport correctly.
00:22:33[Saint]In this case I discovered it with the widget, but enabling playback control from the .sbs will uncover it also.
00:23:40[Saint]it worked, as the conditions I has previously guaranteed that the screen was changing, the widget makes this not true.
00:23:55[Saint]so would enabling playback control in the .sbs.
00:24:09[Saint]but I'm not smart enough to figure out how to make it work ;)
00:24:36thomasjfoxkugel: final version:
00:24:42[Saint](forcing a fullscreen redraw when the UI viewport changes?)
00:24:56kugel[Saint]: plugins can also change playback state without changing the screen
00:25:29[Saint]kugel: any that use a UI viewport?
00:25:45[Saint]if so, they should display this also.
00:26:18[Saint](well, not necessarily, but they *could* if the .sbs had a conditional UI viewport set)
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00:26:38thomasjfoxkugel: Corrected one more typo in the solitare rock
00:26:55thomasjfoxkugel: Anyhow, pictureflow is now saving/caching correctly :)
00:27:05*kugel wonders if thomasjfox heard of strcat :)
00:27:23thomasjfoxkugel: Which place needs a strcat? ;)
00:27:33JdGordon[Saint]: I thought I had it so it would tr to reinit the list if the ui vp changed?
00:28:09kugelthomasjfox: path creation for sdl apps
00:28:30thomasjfoxkugel: Good idea!
00:28:35thomasjfoxkugel: I'll add it
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00:29:20thomasjfoxkugel: Maybe not that good: We get HOME from outside
00:29:21kugelGoogle found a simple mkdirs() implementation
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00:29:46thomasjfoxkugel: strncat might be better
00:30:06kugelstrlcat even
00:30:17JdGordon[Saint]: apps/gui/statusbar-skinned.c there is a fucntion sb_set_info_vp(), copy the to two lines staring with viewportmanager_theme from sb_skin_get_info_vp() into it after the line thats there now, that might fix it
00:30:30kugelit was more about the cat part anyway ;)
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00:32:20kugelJdGordon: I think you took that out?
00:32:22sideralthomasjfox: I haven't used valgrind much in the past. Are there instructions on how to use it with rockbox somewhere?
00:32:59[Saint]JdGordon:'s definitely not drawing the UI viewport correctly if I launch the app with it's shortcut, start & stop playback (to make sure the "stopped" condition is true), exit the app, start playback with the widget, then launch the app with the widget.
00:32:59thomasjfoxsideral: Just compile a normal sim build. Then do "valgrind ./rockboxui" and follow the on-screen messages
00:33:08[Saint]JdGordon: I can'
00:33:22thomasjfoxsideral: It's important to configure rockbox with "−−sdl-threads", otherwise valgrind won't work
00:33:25kugelviewportmanager_theme_changed() has no case for ui viewport anymore
00:33:27[Saint]t try your suggested fix either sorry, as I have no way to compile an .apk
00:33:57JdGordonbah :p
00:34:13JdGordonI'll hook you up with a pak?
00:34:39[Saint]kugel: do you know if the widget scales AA? Or what the minimum AA size it will display is?
00:34:39thomasjfoxkugel: I'll leave the snprintf in there for now as it's a separate thing
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00:34:52kugelthomasjfox: okay
00:34:53thomasjfoxkugel: my box doesn't have strlcat
00:34:54[Saint]It doesn't seem to display any AA for me unless I'm doing something wrong.
00:35:10kugel[Saint]: the widget scales, but with worse quality than rockbox
00:35:32kugelit can't do embedded aa yet if you're using it
00:35:53JdGordonis aa supposed to work in svn in the widget?
00:35:58JdGordon[Saint]: what screen size?
00:36:03[Saint]no, I have all my AA as Folder.jpg
00:36:25[Saint]240x320 <−−- JdGordon
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00:37:31JdGordonyou'll have to uninstall first because of changed key :/
00:38:03[Saint]you don't have AA fonts in your tree by chance do you?
00:38:10JdGordonplain svn
00:38:10[Saint]and the list height patch? :P
00:38:15[Saint]Ah, np ;)
00:38:51JdGordoncan we setup a wiki page to keep track of everyones git repos?
00:38:52[Saint]Hmmmm....I just can't get a widget to display AA, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here.
00:38:58JdGordonor at least interesting links?
00:39:10kugelJdGordon: or get write acess to the mirror and have all our repos there!
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00:39:50JdGordonit wont be seperate repos there though will it? wont it be branches?
00:40:22kugelseparate repos are also possible
00:43:58CIA-70New commit by thomasjfox (r29506): RaaA: Fix write locations of plugins
00:44:16sideralthomasjfox: Thanks! Valgrind finds a few uses of uninitialized values in libasound, but not in Rockbox or the mp4 codec
00:44:36[Saint]JdGordon: Thanks, I'll give you a hoot yay or nay in a bit.
00:44:36kugelJdGordon: is full of separate repos :)
00:45:28JdGordon[Saint]: also, i tinhk for the tablet 4 direction buttons (in a popup maybe) as it doesnt have any dpad and plenty of space
00:46:13[Saint]Way ahead of you ;) You'll be getting a big navigation/playback panel on the right of the "desktop".
00:46:51[Saint]So, more incentive to make playback controls work inthe .sbs if you'll have a pretty device with a pretty .sbs ;)
00:47:27CIA-70r29506 build result: All green
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00:52:09thomasjfoxkugel: btw: I hope I didn't break the android build with the new "power" thread. Did you do a build today/tonight?
00:56:53sideraljhMikeS, thomasjfox: I just reproduced the strange self-pausing sim with r29505
00:57:47thomasjfoxsideral: Did you do anything special?
00:58:02sideralDon't think so
00:58:08jhMikeSif we wanted it to do that, things would be perfect
00:58:24sideralexcept playing the mp4 file my ClipV2 doesn't play at all
00:58:49jhMikeSmaybe it's actually two different things?
00:58:58sideralthe default debug output doesn't show anything special
00:59:10sideraljhMikeS: Quite likely
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01:01:28jhMikeSmaybe there's some memory issue on clip?
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01:02:04sideraljhMikeS: Why would it manifest with mp4 files only?
01:02:08JdGordonkugel: some things we really need to handle... losing the sdcard (it getting mounted) and headphone insert/remove
01:02:49jhMikeSsideral: you've verified that? if so, I'd generally lean towards the codec.
01:02:58sideralWhen I had differences between sim and target behavior in the past, it typically was related to a synchronization issue
01:03:50sideraljhMikeS: I'll try to reproduce self-pause with another codec tomorrow. I need to leave now, unfortunately
01:04:36jhMikeSok, keep me posted. later.
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01:08:14[Saint]where is the cabbie graphics pack located?
01:08:23[Saint]JdGordon: ^
01:08:41[Saint]I need to construct some new images rather than bother trying to resize anything and further degrade it.
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01:10:16[Saint]kugel: ^ ?
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01:14:02JdGordon [Saint]: no idea
01:14:16JdGordonit REALLY REALLY should be in svn as svg
01:14:52[Saint]aha! found it in an ancient forum post.
01:15:26[Saint]they're .psd files iirc, i may be able to convert them to scalable .svg
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01:22:12kugel[Saint]: an icon pack is on the wiki, some files are in svn
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01:24:01[Saint]JdGordon: Nup, that messes things up pretty badly (not all bitmaps loaded in the .sbs, no input from the screen (can't scroll, can't select anything), and after launching the app forces close in ~30 seconds)
01:24:44JdGordondid you backup your old apk?
01:25:08CIA-70New commit by thomasjfox (r29507): Fix bookmark creation on sleep timer. Fixes FS #11493
01:25:09[Saint]Y'know...that would have been a great idea huh? ;)
01:26:15[Saint]kugel: thomasjfox: Is the widget either one of you guys babies?
01:26:29[Saint]Or, who should I speak to about it?
01:26:47*thomasjfox didn't sell his soul to google yet
01:27:35kugel[Saint]: dionoea made the widget but I dived in
01:27:40[Saint]Oh, that's right... dionoea made it initially I think.
01:27:49[Saint]dionoea: Ping?
01:28:02kugelwhat's your question?
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01:28:46CIA-70r29507 build result: 90 errors, 0 warnings (thomasjfox committed)
01:29:25[Saint]kugel: Oh,'s not really a queation. If the size of the buttons can't be physically reduced, or the screen cannot be made to scroll, the widget creation screen needs to disinclude the logo on 240x320 targets
01:29:32JdGordonthomasjfox: you dont need to bother taking ownership if patches 2min before commiting them :)
01:29:56kugel[Saint]: can you make a screen shot?
01:29:58thomasjfoxJdGordon: ok. That's just the workflow I'm used to in case the user reopens the bug
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01:30:24kugelthe widget should work equally well on all resolutions (it's using android's density independent pixels)
01:30:28JdGordonthomasjfox: ok, well you can keep doing it if you want, just not sure if you thought you had to or not
01:30:29[Saint]the Rockbox logo on the widget creation screen (with the new addition of the cover art category) makes it exceed the dimensions of the screen.
01:30:45[Saint]kugel: Um, no sorry...what would I need to be able to do so?
01:30:51kugelah you only mean the creation screen?
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01:31:06kugelddms in the sdk can make screen shots
01:31:07[Saint]kugel: Correct.
01:31:22[Saint]the creation screen exceeds the screen dimensions.
01:31:26kugelscrolling should be possible
01:31:41[Saint]it used to fit, but the cover art addition pushed it over the limit.
01:31:53[Saint]and, I can't scroll the screen.
01:32:30kugelwith possible I meant it's doable but not working right now
01:32:40kugelpixelma reported that some time ago
01:32:52[Saint]Oh, I see.
01:33:13[Saint]Yes, she has the same resolution screen as I do, so most likely saw the same or similar issue.
01:34:05CIA-70New commit by thomasjfox (r29508): Fix red in bootloader
01:34:31*thomasjfox kicks CIA-70. Work faster!
01:35:09pixelmaon my phone the list to chose the widget's buttons when my phone's display is in landscape mode
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01:37:47CIA-70r29508 build result: All green
01:38:41[Saint]pixelma: regardless of the phones orientation?
01:39:06[Saint]errrr...sorry, nvm.
01:39:11[Saint]I read that incorrectly.
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01:39:52pixelmauh, the display is landscape when the keyboard is slid out
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01:46:15Vovadthe rockbox 3.8 download link doesn't seem to be working for me
01:46:20Vovadit takes me to the rockbox utility page
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02:01:30kugelthomasjfox: android compiles at least, [Saint] can tell you in a few if it works ;)
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02:22:44*thomasjfox will give the RaaA sleep timer a good test run
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02:41:40Vovadalright a new issue has arisen
02:41:53Vovadive got rockbox on the clip+ but when i plug it in, the device isnt showing up in my computer
02:42:07Vovadon the device its recognizing that its being plugged in but my computer doesnt see it
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02:43:35Vovadanyone there?
02:43:49[Saint]yes, you just need to be patient.
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02:51:53Vovadmy device is not automatically switching to OF when usb is inserted, thats all
02:52:00Vovad(im not holding select)
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02:55:22pixelmayes, you need to manually start the OF or plug it in from the off state, automatic reboot into the OF has been disabled in you device since the procedure left some devices in a freeze state where you could only ger out by runninhg the battery flat - as far as I remember. Slight inconvevience for some was considered better than big inconvenience for others
02:55:37mc2739Vovad: you need to boot the original firmware for usb connection. the easiest way is to plug in with power off. after disconnecting, power off and back on to restart Rockbox.
02:57:01Vovadokay that makes sense, when i was reading the documentation it made it sound like even if it was already booted
02:57:04Vovadit would reboot automatically
02:57:13Vovadit seems as though this is how it is meant to work so thanks for the clarification
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03:17:38ubi4hey hey hey
03:18:12ubi4does upgrading firmware on clip+ is reseting settings?
03:25:03krazykitupgrading rockbox will not reset your settings
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04:34:28edboyer93i just started initlize the database on fy Fuze about 4 mins ago and it is stuck at 1119 found, what is wrong?
04:35:49edboyer93it is stuck on my Clip+ as well
04:36:29edboyer93and this is 3.8
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04:40:49JdGordon|edboyer93: is it actually stuck?
04:41:08JdGordon|if it has failed on both on the same file that would be very interesting...
04:41:38JdGordon|in system > debug menu there should be an option to enable "metadata logging", enable that and retry the build
04:41:47JdGordon|a file will be created which should say which file is causing the problem
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04:47:14edboyer93this just started to happen with 3.8
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05:08:21edboyer93after trying the metadata.log, windows is ask me to format my drive
05:09:05JdGordon|sounds like filesystem corruption
05:09:39JdGordon|oh.. what did you update from?
05:09:51edboyer93yeah i guess so, so should I format it and just use 3.7.1, since I had no problems with it
05:11:07JdGordon|a bug got in between 3.7 and 3.8 and we dont know where or how to reproduce it quickly/reliably but 3.8.1 should be safe
05:12:33edboyer93so use 3.7.1 one until then
05:12:54JdGordon|unless you want to help us track down the bug
05:13:16JdGordon|did you do any copying to disk after installing 3.8?
05:13:36edboyer93just a config file that I always use
05:14:41JdGordon|on both the clip and fuze?
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05:16:07JdGordon|can you format one of them, install 3.8 then do a bunch of copying to it, then do a filescan and see if the filesystem got corrupted?
05:16:38edboyer93what do you mean by a filescane?
05:16:52JdGordon|dilesystem scan
05:18:01edboyer93how do i do that?
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05:19:16JdGordon|right click on the disk and go "scandisk"
05:19:38JdGordon|right click > properties > tools > "check now"
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05:22:48edboyer93Fat32 right?
05:23:45edboyer93and can I do a quick format?
05:23:58JdGordon|yes, yes
05:31:18edboyer93I installed it, should I run rockbox before I do the copying?
05:32:40JdGordon|yes :)
05:32:57JdGordon|you need to be in the broken build to see if its problmeatic
05:33:30edboyer93so, then do the copying and boot into rockbox again?
05:34:03JdGordon|boot rockbox, copy some files across (in rockbox usb), eject, reconnect and run checkdisk
05:34:44edboyer93i didn't know usb transfers were enabled in 3.8
05:35:34edboyer93when i plug it in while in rockbox it just charges it
05:35:52JdGordon|ah ok
05:35:56JdGordon|I thught it was enabled
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08:21:13amiconnEeek @ r29507/29508. Including an apps/ header from firmware/
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10:38:50gevaertsJdGordon: which bug got in between 3.7 and 3.8?
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10:54:28pixelmaAlexP, scorche, soap: the post by Pangpond888 in "Where in the world..." looks much like spam
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11:18:30dionoea[Saint]: pong
11:19:04dionoea[Saint]: if you were talking about the logo in the 2x2 widget, we can add an option in the configuration activity to remove it if you want.
11:19:28dionoeaIn fact I'll probably change the configuration activity to provide better layout configuration options (such as chosing item ordering)
11:20:17pixelmawhich makes it even more necessary that you can scroll the options (you can't currently and I guess that's one of his questions too)
11:21:01dionoeaI plead guilty to only testing on 800x480 resolution emulators and devices :)
11:23:53kugeldionoea: logo in that configuration activity is the problem, not in the widgets
11:24:14kugelor that you can't scroll in it
11:24:56dionoeaah ok
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11:26:30pixelmaI think the configuration dialogue should be scrollable anyway and the logo is really wasteful
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11:30:54dionoeait filled empty space nicely on my device
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11:31:33dionoeaI'll probably configure it to not display if it requires scrolling to view the config options
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12:34:41JdGordon|gevaerts: it was file system corruptuin, i was tihnking the same ata dma thing but i just realised its completly different SoC so maybe not?
12:36:07gevaertsJdGordon|: yes, exactly. There might of course be file system corruption on AMSv2, but I doubt it's related to ATA DMA on PP502x :)
12:40:10JdGordon|does anyone want to guess a bunch of changes which might cause the problem between 3.7 and 3.8?
12:40:47JdGordon|im going to do a bunch of builds and store them on my ipod and just switch whenever the errors happen (away from comp for the weekend so doing a head of prebuilds)
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12:49:05JdGordon|is there a ncie listing of the svn changes since 3.7?
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12:51:14ZagorJdGordon|: I could make you a html page like the one on the front page
12:51:35JdGordon|yes please if its not too much effort :)
12:52:10JdGordon|that output makes it pretty easy to guess which revs to try
12:53:22Zagorsince 3.7 or 3.7.1?
12:58:01JdGordon|1100 changes, maybe i just do every ~250 and hope it narrows it down enough
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13:17:12JdGordon|I'm not seeing any obvious candidates :/
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13:27:29JdGordon|bah, r29106 is when it actually gets enabled
13:31:24JdGordon|ah no, but it is a bug fix which meas its probably the break!
13:32:09JdGordon|nope, the diff wouldnt affect my mini
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14:03:08_thomasjfoxamiconn: If you have a better idea how to implement auto bookmarking while the charger is connected, go for it
14:03:30_thomasjfoxamiconn: I won't have time to touch rockbox until Saturday
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17:40:24deeice_Hello. Is this a good place for questions about the code?
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18:09:00pixelmadeeice_: if it's Rockbox code then yes
18:19:37deeice_yes. rockbox code. I built it as an sdl app for the zipit but it doesn't build if I remove HAVE_TOUCHSCREEN and/or HAVE_BUTTON_DATA.
18:20:44deeice_The zipit doesn't have a touchscreen or a mouse, so I don't think I should need those.
18:22:10gevaertsThat's probably true, but you may well be the first to try building the sdl app without them
18:22:37gevaertsSo I'm not *entirely* surprised that there are errors
18:23:54deeice_Ahh, ok. Should I separate those bug fixes from my zipit patch?
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18:27:48deeice_Also, I see the log last month had some talk about 3 different thread options. Is that just in the android code?
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18:38:10gevaertsdeeice_: that should fix some of the issues. The remaining one that I can see is that there's no get_context_mapping() implementation for SDL targets without touchscreen
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18:39:28gevaertsThat's probably a good workaround for now
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18:42:19deeice_So, to build plugins I need to add an SDL_PAD mapping to all of them?
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19:50:00GalaxorHi. I have a sansa clip+. I just got rockbox installed on it. When I plug it back into the usb, the computer does not notice it.
19:50:02GalaxorWhen I boot back to the original firmware, it does connect to the computer.
19:50:02pixelmacurrently you need to manually start the Sansa firmware for USB (by holding a certain button during boot, the manual should tell you the correct one) or by plugging USB from an off-state
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19:50:07pixelmaRockbox USB is currently not working on your device and the automatic reboot was disabled because it caused major trouble for some
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19:52:32Galaxorpixelma: Dang. I used to have the sansa e250. I had it for years and just now it got usb support and I was thrilled, and just then, it broke. I got the sansa clip because it's available at any drugstore and rockbox said it was a stable port. I think the "Stable ports" thing should mention if usb doesn't work on a device.
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19:53:28Galaxor(btw, when I say "it broke", I mean my e250 physically broke)
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20:02:35Luca_SGalaxor: you can always enable it by compiling yourself a custom build
20:03:05Luca_SI'm using rockbox USB on a FuzeV2 and lately it became much more stable than in the past
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20:14:22GalaxorLuca_S: Oh? A custom build? I figured it was disabled for a reason. Are we talking about bricking the machine? Always crashing it and having to reboot? Occasionally crashing?
20:14:51Torneusb crashing at random and your file transfers being interrupted
20:15:04Tornewhich may leave the filesystem corrupt
20:16:31Luca_Ssure, it's disabled for a reason: some users seem to have bad luck and find their player locked up, sometimes until battery drains down (which can take even a whole week)
20:17:06TorneLuca_S: that's why rebooting automatically is disabled.
20:17:08Luca_Smore frequently, the filesystem becomes corrupted (as Torne said)
20:17:11Tornenot why USB in rockbox is disabled.
20:17:16Tornethe two are seperate
20:17:50Tornerebooting automatically to the OF to do USB causes the player to lock up sometimes requiring waiting a week for it to discharge. rockbox USB just loses connection at random, possibly while you are transferring data and corrupting the fs as a result
20:17:52Luca_Swell... i was referring to the whole set of usb functionalities, but yes, your precisation is useful
20:18:00TorneThere's no such "whole set"
20:18:02Tornethe two are mutually exclusive
20:18:08Torneeither you reboot to the OF, or you use rockbox USB :)
20:18:09GalaxorTorne: When the filesystem is corrupted, is that fixable?
20:18:11Torneor neither.
20:18:19TorneGalaxor: you can format it :)
20:18:26Tornechkdsk may be able to repair corruption, or may not
20:18:30Torneand even if it repairs it you may lose data
20:18:41Tornebut you can always just format it and start over, it won't ever permanently damage anything
20:18:51GalaxorTorne: How often does the fs get corrupted?
20:18:58TorneTotally unpredictable
20:19:01TorneCould be every time you try adn use it
20:19:02Tornecould be never
20:19:13TorneDepends at exactly what moment usb disconnects, if it does.
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20:19:25GalaxorCuz I tell ya, every time I have to boot to the OF, I gotta wait for it to scan the device twice. Pain in the $#$@
20:20:10Luca_Sin my experience, only when rockbox crashes (I had some problems with the database) or when I forget to safely disconnect the device from windows
20:20:43TorneIt depends entirely on luck, though
20:20:58Tornethere are plenty of times during file copying/whatevwer where if it's interrupted at that exact moment it will corrupt the fs
20:21:09Torneyou just have to hope that it doesn't choose to crash at one of those times
20:21:22GalaxorI wish I could help with this stuff. I've never done such low-level stuff.
20:22:49GalaxorI'd like to learn, but I've overcommitted my free-time programming :(
20:22:54GalaxorI wish I was three people.
20:31:31CIA-12New commit by bluebrother (r29512): Don't link libz explicitly on Windows. ...
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20:35:02CIA-12r29512 build result: All green
20:37:17Buschelmshathlonxp: you there?
20:37:30mshathlonxpno I'm not :>
20:38:03Buschelthat's bad. then I cannot ask you if you could test the patch in FS #11973
20:38:28mshathlonxpI tought you are going to ask me something like that, so I'm not here
20:38:31*mshathlonxp laughs
20:38:54mshathlonxpis it in newest release?
20:39:09mshathlonxpcurrent build*
20:39:19BuschelI guess you're not there because you cannot build the software on your own?
20:39:37Buschelin this case I'll build it right now and send you a link to download it
20:39:42Buschelwill take ~20 min
20:42:18GalaxorOkay, I put a bunch of stuff on my sansa clip+, and then I rebooted over to rockbox. I told it to initialize the database. It said the number of files it had found, which climbed and climbed. Now it hit 903 files, and it's been there for several minutes, and the disk-access indicator is not on or flashing or anything. I can make that info window go away, and explore the rest of the UI, but it won't let me in to the database.
20:43:34saratogatheres been a lot of trouble with the database lately, particularly on the Sandisk players, so its probably just hung
20:44:08Luca_SGalaxor: I have the same problem, with my fuze. Now your only option is to force shutdown (i don't know how to do it on the clip+, probably just keep pressed the power button until it shuts down)
20:44:24Luca_Sunluckily, your file system will probably be broken when you restart it
20:44:38Luca_S(replace broken with corrupted in my previous sentence)
20:45:16Luca_Sso you should run a chkdsk on your clip+
20:45:20GalaxorLuca_S: Well, I restarted it, and the device seems to work just fine, but it still thinks the database is not initialized.
20:46:09GalaxorDude, what are the *un*stable ports like???
20:46:25Luca_SGalaxor: don't judge rockbox so fast
20:47:03Luca_Sit's great, and if you'll have the time to help the developers pinpoint the problem, these things will be ironed out
20:47:29GalaxorLuca_S: I used it for years on my e250. I loved it there.
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20:47:42Luca_Sin my experience, building the database without the uSD inserted works (of course it doesn't index the files on uSD)
20:47:52Luca_Sis it the same for your player?
20:48:17GalaxorLuca_S: I don't have an sd card in there right now.
20:48:39Luca_Sso there it goes my only driver related explanation :D
20:49:06Luca_Si'm not a rockbox developer, just to make it clear...
20:49:14gevaertsThere's still the "metadata parser chokes on one particular file" option
20:49:35Luca_SGalaxor: have you tried toggling dircache?
20:50:03GalaxorLuca_S: No, I don't know what that means.
20:50:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
20:51:18Luca_SSettings > General > System > Disk > Directory Cache, then reboot
20:51:31*gevaerts doesn't see a real reason to suspect dircache
20:52:05GalaxorHm. Now I rebooted to OF and plugged it in to my machine to fsck. My machine can't read the device. Here's a line from dmesg: usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
20:52:26Luca_Sgevaerts: me neither, but at some point while fiddling with those options my player succesfully built the database... i'm just trying to see if any of those options help anybody else
20:52:39Galaxor(now, I occasionally have problems with my external hard drive dropping out on this machine, so it may not be the device's fault)
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20:56:50gevaertsGalaxor: after you've tried the dircache change, if it still doesn't work, go to "System -> Debug (Keep Out)", and pick "Metadata log". Then try rebuilding the database again
20:57:23bluebrotherany objections to deleting the old wpseditor from svn? It's unmaintained and we have the new shiny themeeditor since quite a while now
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20:59:30Galaxorgevaerts: That'll log its efforts to build the db, so I can figure out what the problem is?
21:00:04gevaertsGalaxor: that will log all files as they're scanned, so if it's one of your audio files triggering the problem, you'll know which one
21:00:43Galaxorgevaerts: Okee doke. Logging.
21:01:46Galaxorgevaerts: Though I'm not sure I'll be able to get any data off of there. Still unable to connect to usb even from OF. Rebooted a couple times. My computer is not usually that flaky with usb.
21:02:00Galaxorand the hard drive has not dropped out today.
21:02:03gevaertsGalaxor: you can view the log file on the device if needed
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21:02:35Buschelmshathlonxp: here you go (nano 1G build) ->
21:02:38Galaxorgevaerts: How do I view the log on the device?
21:03:25saratogaits a text file stored on the root of the player
21:03:44gevaertsGalaxor: the file ends up as "metadata log" in the root of the filesystem. Navigate to it, get its context menu, pick "open with", and pick "text_viewer"
21:03:55saratogabut i think it won't show much, it seems like a lot of the problems reported aren't due to the file itself, but rather something wrong with the file system or database itself
21:04:36GalaxorI don't see the file in the files list. I wonder if the machine is just stuffed too full to write anything?
21:05:01Luca_SGalaxor: you may have to set the file filter to 'All'
21:05:31Luca_Son fuze, long press the center button on the Files menu entry to access its context menu, then select Show Files... > All
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21:06:15GalaxorOh. The metadata.log file is there now.
21:06:19GalaxorI'm reading it.
21:07:17gevaertsGalaxor: If this is the problem, the last file listed will be the culprit
21:07:28GalaxorOkay, the last entry is something in ##MUSIC# −− something that came with the player, not something I put there.
21:10:14*mshathlonxp pulls his nano out of the dock
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21:12:13mshathlonxptwice turned recording on and off, afterwards still sound
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21:13:08mshathlonxpBuschel but I hope it's problem with your build and not patch that my nano crashed when I plugged it back :D
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21:15:03*mshathlonxp just understood that in order to upload other rockbox version, default firmware now has to be booted :D
21:16:23mshathlonxpUndefined instruction at 0150058 (0)
21:17:42gevaertsWhen doing what?
21:18:27mshathlonxpconnecting to PC
21:19:04mshathlonxpit briefly shows usual "USB keyboard mode" and then crash
21:19:13Buschelyou are not running my build yet?
21:19:21mshathlonxpeh, welcome to original shitty firmware
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21:19:42*gevaerts tries to find the connection with "in order to upload other rockbox version"
21:20:05mshathlonxpBuschel we can say that I'm not using it anymore ;)
21:20:37GalaxorAll right. I deleted the offending file, and it can now complete the database scan.
21:20:39Buschelcould you test it or do you have any issues with installing it
21:20:45GalaxorI got music playing and everything!
21:20:56gevaertsGalaxor: you don't happen to have a copy of it?
21:21:10mshathlonxp[20:13] <mshathlonxp> twice turned recording on and off, afterwards still sound
21:21:34Galaxorgevaerts: Man, I couldn't keep it cuz I couldn't get connected to the pc. I deleted it thru the interface. Sorry.
21:21:42mshathlonxpis that enough?
21:21:45Buschelmshathlonxp: ooops ;) didn't see that.
21:21:54Buschelyes, fixed then. so I'll commit
21:22:04gevaertsGalaxor: ah, right. Pity, it would have been nice to look at it to figure out what went wrong. Oh well...
21:22:26mshathlonxpas I said, I hope your patch isn't the cause for my current problem
21:22:31Galaxorgevaerts: Yeah. If this happens again, I'll know what steps to take, and I'll make sure to keep a copy.
21:22:37Galaxorgevaerts: Thanks.
21:23:01gevaertsGalaxor: don't thank me. Thank the people who added the logging :)
21:24:01GalaxorMeanwhile, re: connecting to the pc −− I don't get any "error reading..." type messages in dmesg anymore. It just says "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning" and then apparently the device never settles, cuz I never hear from it again.
21:24:06Buschelmshathlonxp: what _exactly_ was the problem? crashing when connecting USB?
21:24:27Buscheland current svn works for you?
21:24:35Galaxorgevaerts: Indeed. I love adding logging to things.
21:25:06*mshathlonxp pulls nano out of the dock, bye bye shitty firmware, I hope nobody will ever mess up rockbox again and I won't see you again :D
21:25:28mshathlonxpBuschel yes
21:25:45GalaxorAny ideas about this inability to connect to pc, even from OF? Or should I reboot my pc to see if that was the problem?
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21:26:31Buschelmshathlonxp: my build has been built against r29502. you do not have this one available? otherwise I'll just resync, rebuild and ask for another test run
21:26:39gevaertsGalaxor: have you tried another cable or USB port?
21:27:22*mshathlonxp just installed newest, r29512
21:27:35mshathlonxpwhat do you want from 29502?
21:27:39Galaxorgevaerts: Yes and yes.
21:28:01gevaertsGalaxor: in that case, either rebooting or reloading the EHCI driver.
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21:28:23Buschelr29502 = the version from svn I used to patch and build for you. I'll now build again using r29512
21:28:43Buschelwill be done in ~3 minutes...
21:28:49mshathlonxpto see if USB will work?
21:29:15Buschelyes. and an unpatched r29512 works fine?
21:29:28mshathlonxpof course it does
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21:31:03Galaxorgevaerts: Okay. Rebooting. brb.
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21:31:22Buschelbuild takes longer
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21:36:44GalaxorOkay. Rebooted. Same usb problem. Looks like it's broken forever. Hope I like the music I put on there!
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21:37:31Luca_SGalaxor: don't you have access to a windows box? it's the first time i ever heard of such a problem
21:37:56GalaxorLuca_S: Hm. I don't have windows around right now. How would that help?
21:39:06Luca_Syou said usb is sometimes flaky on your box, it could be a driver problem and maybe the clip+ is quite sensitive. usually windows has more forgiving drivers
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21:41:53GalaxorOh, y'know what? I bet that after I installed rockbox, the original firmware lost its settings and forgot that it should be in MSC mode and not MTP.
21:42:38Luca_Snice to hear :)
21:42:55GalaxorDang, I wish I'd thought of that in time to save that evil file.
21:43:03gevaertsOh, indeed
21:43:22Luca_SI should have somewhere the OF music files
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21:43:29Luca_Sdo you remember which one was?
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21:44:17GalaxorLuca_S: It was from someone with a first name of "Andrew", I think. The title of the album was "Single".
21:44:27Luca_Sandrew paul woodworth
21:44:32GalaxorLuca_S: Yeah.
21:44:41notlisteningWould anyone be intrest in feedback on the Android Port?
21:45:05Luca_SI still have it, unluckily that song never gave me any problems :(
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21:45:51Luca_Swell, let's delete the db on my device and see if it rebuilds correctly. I have about 10 gb of music, if it's song related it will happen again..
21:46:01GalaxorLuca_S: Hm. I wonder if it was just too full to write the database file, then. The device only had like 8MB free until I deleted that file.
21:46:27Luca_SGalaxor: in my case, I had plenty of space.
21:46:58GalaxorLuca_S: Yeah, this device is only 2GB. I've got a 2GB card at home I'm hoping to use with it.
21:47:53GalaxorNow, that "Andrew Paul Woodworth" song was in a directory called /##MUSIC#, which was visible from the rockbox file browser, but is not visible when I mount the device as a drive.
21:48:10GalaxorIs that just some magic from the original firmware to prevent people from copying those files?
21:48:59Luca_Snot really, it's just the folder that gets exposed under MTP mode
21:49:27mshathlonxpBuschel it's fine now :)
21:49:32Luca_Sif you sync music using windows media player or any other mtp client, you won't see it in MSC mode
21:49:36Buschelgood :)
21:50:22Buschelthen I'll prepare the submit
21:50:25Luca_Suhm.. isn't there a "trash database option"?
21:50:37Luca_Swhat can I do to delete my existing database?
21:50:42Luca_Sjust delete the idx files?
21:51:59Luca_Soops, I meant tcd files :)
21:53:34CIA-12New commit by Buschel (r29513): Fix FS #11973. iPod nano1G needed reboot after entering record mode to have audio again.
21:54:18GalaxorOkay, well I think I am good to go now! Thanks, everybody!
21:55:18*Buschel thinks it would be good to have r29513 fixed for 3.8.1 as well
21:55:38Buschelahem, "migrated to" not "fixed for"
21:57:11CIA-12r29513 build result: All green
21:58:41*bluebrother uploaded Windows svn build of Rockbox Utility
21:58:52CIA-12New commit by Buschel (r29514): Integrate r29513 to v3.8 branch. Fixes FS #11973.
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22:04:01Luca_Sgevaerts: are you still interested in a file that blocked my player during db rebuild?
22:04:39gevaertsLuca_S: I personally am not, since I don't know anything about that area of the code. Other people definitely will be though
22:05:05BuschelLuca_S: I am interested
22:07:25stripwaxis this a 'blocked during db rebuild and definitely NOT related to ata dma random memory corruption' ?
22:08:12Luca_SBuschel: uploading now, will give the address in Query if you don't mind
22:08:22Buschelfine for me
22:08:24Luca_Sstripwax: I have no idea to what it's related to
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22:09:27stripwaxLuca_S - does your metadata.log (or your symptoms) look anything like the one in here
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22:09:47gevaertsstripwax: IIRC Luca_S has a fuze
22:10:12Luca_SFuzeV2, right
22:10:18gevaertsSo unrelated to the PP DMA thing
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22:11:12stripwaxah, sorry. i was trying to read back through irc and guess I misread.
22:11:38Luca_Sno path corruption here...
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22:20:05BuschelLuca_S: file parser normally on sim
22:21:35Luca_Stough luck :(
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22:22:08BuschelLuca_S: it was a fuzev2, correct?
22:22:43Luca_Syes, and the song was on a uSD, like many others that blocked the db in the past and that I had deleted
22:22:58Luca_Sejecting the uSD, the db rebuilds correctly
22:24:19Luca_Snow retrying building with the uSD inserted again
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22:25:44Luca_Sstuck on a different song, one that was parsed succesfully before :/
22:25:46Buschelthe file has a _really_ large ID3v2 tag
22:26:05Buschel~370 KB
22:27:27Buschel~250 KB of that are 0x0
22:27:31Luca_Suhm... this time is not really stuck... it takes about 1 minute per file however
22:29:25pixelmaBuschel: I wonder why but I once found a 6MB jpg embedded in a file of mine and it didn't cause trouble in Rockbox. That was all before your recent fixes and before embedded albumart support
22:29:53Luca_Spixelma: I had troubles even before embedded AA support
22:29:56Buschelwow, the file has 350KB id3v2 tag at the file beginning, a classic id3v tag preceeded by apev2 and some other tag format which I do not know
22:30:23pixelmaI only use the database occasionally though and usually do a full "initialise", not update
22:30:46Luca_Smp3tag reports ID3v2.3, ID3v1 and APEv2
22:31:14Buschelpixelma: I am just wondering. there could be some filesize and space saved
22:32:02pixelmajust saying that it's probably not a simple "large tag = trouble" problem
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22:33:00Buschelyes. as it is working in the sim here. I was just impressed by the vast number or 0x0's
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22:38:59Luca_Sthe same file plays fine, doesn't show the embedded AA, but I think that's not a jpeg file
22:39:15Buschelthe tag says it is a bmp file
22:39:38Luca_Showever it plays and shows metadata in track info
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22:40:09Buschelyep, I don't think the file or it's tags were your problem...
22:40:57Buschelhowever, need to get some sleep now
22:41:01Buschelgood night!
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22:41:08Luca_Sgood night, thank you
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22:46:42pamaurydoes someone now which tools is used to compute the crc of a rockbox image ? scramble ?
22:50:43linuxstbpamaury: Yes. But for most targets it's just a simple checksum (a sum of all the bytes in the file, plus the value of "modelnum"), not a crc.
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22:53:51pamauryhow does scramble know the offset of the crc field since it's not the same for all targets ?
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23:04:05linuxstbpamaury: I'm not sure which offset you mean, but scramble is passed the name of the target, and then it does the right thing. Have you looked at its source?
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23:05:02pamaurylinuxstb: I don't understand the source
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23:13:41S_a_i_n_t[23:31] <dionoea> it filled empty space nicely on my device <−−−− )n a 240x320 device, there *is* no free space ;)
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23:17:35pamaurydoes the file produced by scramble has a different format depending on the target ?
23:19:10linuxstbpamaury: Yes. Maybe searching tools/configure for the various calls to scramble will be helpful.
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23:20:22linuxstbThe "-add" option is Rockbox's own format - an 8 byte header consisting of a 4-byte target identifier, and a 32-bit checksum. Other options will be for when Rockbox needs to be in a specific format - e.g. we use the "mi4" format for a lot of the PortalPlayer devices (Sansa etc)
23:21:25Tornescramble just does "whatever has to be done to turn a bin into what the loader needs on this target"
23:23:06pamauryok, I was looking for the rockbox's own format, now I have my answer :)
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