| 00:00:21 | gevaerts | kugel: yes. That's a good reason to keep both |
| 00:02:00 | kugel | freddyb: that's not intended. r28884 was for RaaA mainly |
| 00:02:33 | freddyb | I'm going to change it then, if no one cares. |
| 00:03:06 | gevaerts | freddyb: make sure you keep current behaviour for RaaA |
| 00:03:48 | kugel | freddyb: better change io.c to not return symlinks for the sim as they don't exist on targets |
| 00:03:52 | kugel | native targets* :) |
| 00:04:08 | kugel | the actual bug is that RaaA still uses io.c of course ;) |
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| 00:04:39 | gevaerts | The sim should use simlinks, not symlinks :) |
| 00:04:46 | gevaerts | hm |
| 00:04:57 | freddyb | Err, I was going to do this: http://pastie.org/1637601 |
| 00:05:17 | gevaerts | Any thoughts about loopback mounting and USB CD emulation for gsoc? Too fancyful, possibly? |
| 00:05:46 | Torne | i think that would actually be useful to a surprising number of people |
| 00:06:07 | Torne | I'd love to have a device that can be one of a bunch of bootable images on command without having to hack together some custom boot frontend |
| 00:06:09 | kugel | gevaerts: didnt you hack up loopback mount already? |
| 00:06:19 | gevaerts | kugel: "hack up", yes |
| 00:06:27 | kugel | do you consider it enough work? |
| 00:06:49 | Torne | i think it would be |
| 00:06:52 | gevaerts | Together with CD emulation, yes. Definitely if we do audio CD emulation :) |
| 00:07:01 | Torne | loopback mounting "properly" is a reasonable chunk |
| 00:07:05 | Torne | and emulating being a CD is another |
| 00:07:14 | kugel | I would love loopback mount since I regularly use my sansa e200 to install OSes on my laptop :) |
| 00:07:24 | kugel | always wiping the microsd sucks :p |
| 00:07:38 | gevaerts | kugel: the current implementation has nice features like breaking if the underlying disk spins down IIRC |
| 00:07:55 | kugel | less latency, awesome! |
| 00:08:12 | kugel | oh I read that wrong |
| 00:08:24 | gevaerts | If we don't do audio CD emulation, the thing would be somewhat outside of the official main goals of rockbox |
| 00:09:07 | kugel | is audio cd a lot different from any (bootable?) cd? |
| 00:09:42 | Torne | he means emulating an audio cd from encoded audio :) |
| 00:09:53 | gevaerts | I'm not sure on the protocol side, but what I really mean (but of course didn't say) is presenting any playlist as an audio CD |
| 00:09:59 | Torne | i.e. decoding it and faking PCM data |
| 00:10:00 | kugel | there was also the goal of multiple selectable usb drivers, part of hid but not finished |
| 00:10:18 | gevaerts | And that's lots of fun, involving the playlist engine, SCSI, USB, seeking in codecs, and everything |
| 00:10:52 | Torne | anyway, it's not really related to our core goals, no, but i think it's a pretty neat feature nonetheless |
| 00:11:11 | Torne | and it might help to make usb more modular ;) |
| 00:11:16 | kugel | I think we've pretty much covered our core goals long ago :) |
| 00:11:49 | Torne | i think if someone wants to work on it it's fine |
| 00:12:03 | kugel | well, tts would probably still be a core goal |
| 00:14:56 | kugel | "bottom 0x50 Push object to the bottom of its container, not changing its size. " |
| 00:14:58 | gevaerts | We also know it has some nontrivial hurdles, although we don't have full details on what those are... |
| 00:15:03 | kugel | oops |
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| 00:15:50 | * | gevaerts will write up the loopback+CD thing |
| 00:16:12 | Torne | gevaerts: is actual loopback mounting actually really related, btw? |
| 00:16:16 | gevaerts | Oh, bonus points for CD burning support of course :) |
| 00:16:25 | Torne | isn't USB disk/cd emulating kinda orthogonal to actually mounting a FAT image under rockbox? |
| 00:16:37 | gevaerts | hm, probably |
| 00:16:46 | Torne | i guess it depends how you do it |
| 00:17:00 | kugel | that's why I asked about bootable live cd images :) |
| 00:17:05 | Torne | Well yeah. |
| 00:17:23 | Torne | Just convincing the storage layer that there's noahter disk based on a loopback file lets you do loopback mounting and also USB disk emulation probably |
| 00:17:29 | Torne | but USB cd emulation is likely to need a bunch of special handling.. |
| 00:17:41 | Torne | it might be easier to have just a USB emulation mode that handles both without using the storage layer |
| 00:17:55 | gevaerts | yes |
| 00:18:49 | gevaerts | Of course loopback mounting and iso9660 support are also useful, since that would allow people to play dvd images directly in mpegplayer.rock |
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| 00:19:14 | gevaerts | (assuming they happen to have matching resolutions) |
| 00:19:35 | gevaerts | (and assuming the bitrate isn't too high for the CPU) |
| 00:19:55 | gevaerts | hm, maybe not useful at all on any player we run on then :) |
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| 00:20:13 | Torne | Well, videocd |
| 00:20:19 | gevaerts | ah, yes |
| 00:20:20 | Torne | DVDs are UDF :) |
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| 00:20:30 | Torne | adding iso9660 might be considerd against the whole no more fs thing :) |
| 00:20:51 | gevaerts | We'd add iso9660 to mpegplayer.rock :) |
| 00:20:59 | jhMikeS | bloody hell |
| 00:21:06 | Torne | But then you don't need loopback mounting to use it |
| 00:21:11 | Torne | it can just read it as a file |
| 00:21:22 | gevaerts | oh, right |
| 00:21:37 | gevaerts | Well, relocatable plugins and filesystem drivers as plugins then? |
| 00:22:02 | Torne | Well yes ;) |
| 00:22:02 | * | gevaerts wants loopback support, and he wants it to be useful! |
| 00:22:13 | * | jhMikeS wants whatever these two hams took today |
| 00:22:53 | gevaerts | We'll need some sort of initrd support too |
| 00:23:05 | Torne | haha |
| 00:23:13 | gevaerts | Otherwise we can't ever load the FAT driver to load anything else! |
| 00:23:15 | Torne | (well i say haha but actually that wouldn'tbe very hard) |
| 00:23:22 | Torne | (just concatenate it onto the end of the image |
| 00:25:37 | gevaerts | kugel: any chance of you expanding those ideas a bit so they're wiki-ready, or should I try to find other volunteers for that? |
| 00:25:57 | kugel | I thought we work together on expanding the ideas |
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| 00:26:57 | gevaerts | right |
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| 00:27:39 | gevaerts | For the playlist and bookmarks ones, that mainly involves listing the missing features? |
| 00:30:46 | gevaerts | hm, are those really separate things? Isn't the reason that bookmarks don't work with the database mainly that playlists aren't fully integrated with the database? |
| 00:31:19 | * | gevaerts isn't a database user, so he doesn't really know the issues |
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| 00:32:09 | jhMikeS | what do you mean "work with"? "obligate one to use the database"? |
| 00:32:11 | kugel | database queries result in dynamic playlist as opposed to playing folders |
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| 00:33:03 | kugel | that a) results in the "erase dynamic playlist" prompt but also has other disadvantages...let alone the inconsistency with the file browser |
| 00:33:30 | kugel | I'm not aware of all the issues but I remember there are some which came up over the years |
| 00:34:21 | gevaerts | Maybe a quick mail to -dev asking people to enumerate the issues? |
| 00:34:24 | bluebrother | nice. Building Rockbox Utility for Windows takes 2:20 on my Mac, 6:30 in a VM on the same box :) |
| 00:35:33 | kugel | gevaerts: good plan |
| 00:35:58 | kugel | "we have no maintainer" is also a good reason in my book |
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| 00:40:41 | gevaerts | kugel: I'll send one in a bit, after I've worked a bit on the CD emulation idea |
| 00:43:48 | AlexP | jhMikeS: I sincerely hope not |
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| 00:47:28 | veve | hi there :) |
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| 00:51:03 | veve | i've encountered a small problem when using RockBox with my Sansa Clip v1: it doesn't play my oggs. Many files, created in the same way, won't play any more. You can have a look at my bug post here, if you are interested > http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11992 |
| 00:53:17 | gevaerts | veve: I'll try that file on some of my players in a minute |
| 00:53:47 | veve | gevaerts: thank you :) |
| 00:55:12 | u42p | i had some problems with ogg files on my clip+ too, should investigate that some day |
| 00:55:17 | u42p | they made it hang |
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| 00:58:04 | veve | agree |
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| 01:01:30 | gevaerts | That file fails on my clipv1, and plays fine on my fuzev2 |
| 01:02:59 | veve | gevaerts: maybe, if you use RockBox :-S. It playes fine on Sansa Clip v1 default firmware (01.01.35) |
| 01:03:13 | gevaerts | I don't care about that :) |
| 01:03:17 | veve | anyway... if ogg doesn't work i will try AAC Plus :) |
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| 01:03:54 | gevaerts | My bet (as someone who knows nearly nothing about codecs) is that this particular file needs too much RAM to decode |
| 01:03:57 | * | jhMikeS 's been playing oggs lately |
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| 01:06:01 | veve | gevaerts: i understand that with RockBox we are using a different decoder, but in the spects it says "efficient" at the ogg section. So... my bet is that it doesn't use that much RAM to decode :) |
| 01:06:57 | gevaerts | veve: efficient usually refers to CPU usage |
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| 01:08:30 | gevaerts | I understand that vorbis is a bit annoying to decode in the sense that it needs a rather large amount of RAM |
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| 01:09:17 | gevaerts | Well, more "unbounded" than "rather large". There's no amount of RAM that's definitely enough for all vorbis files |
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| 01:14:29 | jhMikeS | something looks odd in creating malloc_buf |
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| 01:22:13 | * | jhMikeS is missing where it actually adds the room for the malloc buffer |
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| 01:28:41 | jhMikeS | ah, so it's just been moved to use the codec slack space but the dead code left there :\ |
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| 01:33:46 | jhMikeS | in that case, it looks like something to delete |
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| 01:38:15 | gevaerts | kugel: sent (finally...) |
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| 01:59:33 | jhMikeS | ok, we'll get rid of that cruft in playback.c and cache align the actual buffer it's using |
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| 02:10:51 | fatelvissss | am I correct in thinking that the majority of the majority of the rockbox installation is on the storage area of the mp3player as opposed to being in the firmware? |
| 02:15:17 | jhMikeS | in most cases it's on the storage medium, in some cases it can be flashed |
| 02:16:28 | jhMikeS | flashing anything other than the bootloaders in those instances where they must be isn't obligatory |
| 02:17:08 | fatelvissss | well, im asking because I believe I need to reformat the the storage area. im guessing ill have to reinstall rockbox after doing this? |
| 02:18:55 | jhMikeS | reextracting and new .zip, yes. the bootloader, it depends if the bootloader is also on the storage (model specific) |
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| 02:20:42 | fatelvissss | ok. thank you. |
| 02:20:59 | dfkt | fatelvissss, usually you can just back up the whole .rockbox folder when formatting your storage, and all your settings will be preserved - this doesn't include any bootloader, of course |
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| 02:22:17 | fatelvissss | that sounds like a really straightforward and selfexplanotory thing that i definitely should have done before i clicked on the format button. :-/ |
| 02:22:28 | dfkt | ouch ;) |
| 02:23:50 | fatelvissss | oh well, will know for next time. thank you for your answers |
| 02:29:18 | dfkt | basically every user setting is stored in config.cfg, the rest is mostly themes, fonts, icons that might be useful to keep |
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| 03:17:35 | veve | hey... i have another question... if you can answer it... it will be great :): Does RockBox support AACPlus Playback? (from my tests the format of the file must be *.m4a and the codec must use the LC technologies) |
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| 03:18:50 | veve | if i try to create a quality audio file at a low bitrate (HE-AAC) then the playback will be faster (2x, 3x... i don't know) |
| 03:19:21 | veve | so from my point of view the playback of the low bitrate but HQ AAC files is not supported |
| 03:19:27 | veve | hm... what do you think? |
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| 03:20:26 | Torne | HE-AAC has some issues, most players are too slow for it |
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| 03:23:17 | veve | oh |
| 03:23:18 | veve | ok |
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| 03:37:48 | veve | hm... |
| 03:38:07 | veve | so i can't play aacplus files at low bitrate |
| 03:38:25 | veve | the next best thing (ogg files at low bit rate)... can't be played |
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| 03:39:00 | veve | so i'm somehow forced to use other formats (like mp3) at higher bitrates (over 80 kbs at least) |
| 03:39:54 | veve | bottom line... i have RockBox... so i have a lot of very interesting features and functionalities, wich i really like, but i can't play my music :| |
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| 03:57:01 | [Saint] | veve: What player is this? there's always the option of using a target that has the power to meet your needs. |
| 03:57:19 | [Saint] | Installing Rockbox doesn't make your targets hardware any more capable than it was initially. |
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| 03:59:18 | veve | [Saint]: Sansa Clip v1 (and the OGGs played fine with the original firmware) |
| 03:59:18 | veve | I don't expect any performance increase :), of course |
| 03:59:18 | veve | |
| 03:59:44 | [Saint] | the Clip(s) aren't really a terribly powerful DAP. |
| 03:59:58 | [Saint] | Far from the worst, but, not the best. |
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| 04:00:10 | veve | IF i set the encoder to a lower setting... like quality -1,0000000... then the ogg doesn't play any more |
| 04:00:45 | kugel | [Saint]: I'd argue they're incredibly powerful for their size |
| 04:01:33 | [Saint] | kugel: Yes, but...far from the most capable target available. |
| 04:02:42 | veve | [Saint]: Well... i'm pretty pleased now. After many tests OGGs can be played IF they are kept above Quality 0,000000 (which is fine). AAC would be nice, of course... but... that is it :) |
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| 04:03:30 | kugel_ | I don't know about the newer ipod classics, but the ams players are on the gigabeat f level (or better) which was the next behind the beast |
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| 04:04:29 | [Saint] | I've no idea about the early model Classics, but the newer ones are set to be the "New Beast". |
| 04:05:29 | veve | oh |
| 04:05:37 | veve | btw.... i think i can't delete the files |
| 04:05:39 | veve | using Rockbokx |
| 04:05:46 | veve | RockBox :| |
| 04:05:50 | [Saint] | You certainly should be able to. |
| 04:05:52 | kugel_ | [Saint]: they're not far behind for sure |
| 04:06:19 | veve | [Saint]: i'll check... |
| 04:06:40 | [Saint] | veve: You can, pull up the contecxt menu on the file, select delete. |
| 04:07:06 | [Saint] | when I said "you should be able to" what I really meant was "you can, unless it's broken on your player". |
| 04:07:26 | [Saint] | *context |
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| 04:13:12 | veve | [Saint]: It's there. i had to press the Select button a little longer |
| 04:13:36 | veve | thank you for your help. i'm out |
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| 04:29:31 | kugel_ | I can confirm that rockbox' embedded albumart support is good enough for amazon :) |
| 04:29:42 | [Saint] | \o/ |
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| 04:39:55 | [Saint] | heh...I just noticed that RaaA will keep playing audio if I stop the service during playback. |
| 04:40:36 | [Saint] | oh, and it crashed in a spectacular fashion when I started rockbox back up again to "sto" playback. (actually forced the phone to reboot), nice. |
| 04:40:44 | [Saint] | *stop |
| 04:41:10 | kugel_ | depends on how you stop it |
| 04:41:33 | kugel_ | only the builtin function can stop it, these task manager apps can't (not anymore since froyo) |
| 04:42:00 | [Saint] | It was unresponsive, so I just stopped the service (usually works) 2.1 |
| 04:42:21 | [Saint] | playback quite happily continued though. |
| 04:42:30 | kugel_ | don't know then |
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| 04:42:49 | kugel_ | people keep reporting problems I never saw so far :) |
| 04:43:07 | [Saint] | Well, if it helps at all, I can reproduce it ;D |
| 04:57:09 | jhMikeS | Must be the first time playback was unstoppable :P |
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| 06:44:07 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: If %Tl isn't linked to a specific touch region with an identifier, it's still read from the whole screen? |
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| 06:49:50 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: yes |
| 06:50:53 | [Saint] | Hmmm...the problem must be button repeat values or something...I think for cabbie it's not good enough to have the popup fire whenever the screen is touched. |
| 06:51:37 | [Saint] | rasher tested it yesterday, and from what he was saying the popup was firing, as well as the touch area immediately under his finger as soon as it fired without any time to see the actual popup. |
| 06:52:19 | JdGordon| | yes, i got this also when i was playing |
| 06:52:33 | [Saint] | What is a sensible item on the wps to touch to launch the popup window? |
| 06:52:35 | JdGordon| | the fix i tried caused the rep button to stop working completly |
| 06:52:51 | JdGordon| | the whole region under it |
| 06:52:53 | [Saint] | I figure i'll just link it to the titlebar. |
| 06:53:23 | JdGordon| | na, yuck |
| 06:53:46 | [Saint] | Or does that not seem sane? I think it seems weird as "the whole region under it" in this case is displaying the next track info. |
| 06:54:20 | [Saint] | so, there needs to be an obvious "touch this and this happens" thing. |
| 06:55:01 | [Saint] | or at least "touch this and *something* happens. having a large area in the middle of the screen or the whole screen leads to accidental annoying presses. |
| 06:55:52 | [Saint] | The titlebar seemed sane, but only to me I guess, as that's my solution in my cabbie version to avoid the popup completely. |
| 06:56:19 | JdGordon| | the popup really needsa a button to get to the main menu also |
| 06:56:57 | [Saint] | that's another thing I fixed with the titlebar on my theme ;) |
| 06:58:19 | [Saint] | It's not *absolutely* necessary, as you can get to the main menu from "browse" pretty easily, but on the targets with lots of screen...it would be nice. |
| 06:58:43 | JdGordon| | no you cant |
| 06:58:51 | JdGordon| | browse then "back" 15 times |
| 06:59:16 | [Saint] | if you have insanely deep dir structures...I guess. |
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| 07:00:07 | JdGordon| | /sdcard/music/<artist>/<album>/ is deep enough to be annoying |
| 07:00:24 | [Saint] | I suppose my theme does kinda heavily rely on the presence of HW buttons. |
| 07:00:36 | [Saint] | damn tablets! :P |
| 07:01:40 | JdGordon| | screw the tablet.. thats my phone |
| 07:02:09 | JdGordon| | ah guess who forgot the menu button works :p |
| 07:03:30 | [Saint] | heh ;) |
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| 07:04:50 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: a possible fix for the hidden button nregion being pressed is stick it into another viewport which is disabled when the popup is open |
| 07:05:25 | [Saint] | "it"? |
| 07:05:40 | JdGordon| | the region which enables the popup |
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| 07:06:14 | JdGordon| | i tihnk that might require either allowing regions to share labels, or variables of some sort |
| 07:06:40 | [Saint] | I'm uploading what I was playing with now...as I think don't think (apparently, it's been shown a few times here) that I'm the right person to make decisions about what's sane in the default theme. |
| 07:07:09 | [Saint] | All the alignment is done, images are done, just this popup viewport (alignment and touch regions worked out there too) being a pain. |
| 07:07:23 | * | JdGordon| is yet to see anything sane in the default themes anyway |
| 07:08:00 | [Saint] | Well, I bet it would start something I wouldn't want if I went and linked a popup to the titlebar ;) |
| 07:08:45 | [Saint] | I'll do the art and the bulk of the code, and you dev types can work out the way people are supposed to use it ;) |
| 07:15:17 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-1625823e.html is what I was playing with. |
| 07:16:05 | [Saint] | oooops, heh...accidentally included all the fonts in there too. |
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| 07:25:38 | [Saint] | Oh...I also took the libterty of removing the backgrounds for volume, shuffle and repeat from the backdrop, this hopefully makes it easier in future (using the same method) to make the default theme dynamically resizable. |
| 07:26:28 | [Saint] | Oh, and I took out that horrible ten-step incremental volume display and added a nice bar-type one. |
| 07:27:21 | JdGord | The volume display is pointless on touch |
| 07:27:28 | JdGord | Especially on raaaaaaaa |
| 07:27:35 | [Saint] | why? |
| 07:27:49 | JdGord | The os controls volume |
| 07:27:56 | [Saint] | I've spoken to a number of people that enjoy having the two controls for finer tuning. |
| 07:28:32 | [Saint] | it's like being able to set the max volume on a DAPs OS |
| 07:28:39 | JdGord | Either way changing it in that tiny icon is braindead |
| 07:29:22 | [Saint] | I think "braidead" is a little far. |
| 07:29:29 | [Saint] | +n |
| 07:29:52 | JdGord | Its impossible to use |
| 07:30:47 | [Saint] | I have tremendous man hands, the one on the theme you're talking about is 88px wide, the one on my theme is 44px wide...I can use mine. |
| 07:30:54 | [Saint] | sucky touchscreen? |
| 07:31:44 | [Saint] | It could be better, though...I'm bo no means saying it can't change. |
| 07:32:44 | [Saint] | touching the volume icon should bring up the same popup as the context menu/browser/etc, but with a slider for volue. |
| 07:32:51 | JdGordon| | yes |
| 07:32:54 | [Saint] | *volume |
| 07:33:33 | [Saint] | but, baby steps ;) that type of thing wasn't even possible when I wrote that theme. |
| 07:34:45 | jhMikeS | so if you convttf a ttf, it's ready to go? |
| 07:34:53 | [Saint] | yep |
| 07:35:37 | jhMikeS | nice. now I just need a new build :) |
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| 07:41:52 | [Saint] | Hmmm...I guess the themesite needs to allow .ttf fonts now? |
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| 07:44:07 | JdGordon| | yes, although fonts shold really be seperate |
| 07:46:26 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: no sbs yet? |
| 07:46:49 | * | jhMikeS wants a nice .sbs for the 240x320 |
| 07:48:59 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: RaaA? |
| 07:49:28 | jhMikeS | for the two gigabeats |
| 07:49:44 | [Saint] | JdGordon|: Nah...not yet, but that's just a matter of cut&paste and a UI viewport. |
| 07:49:56 | [Saint] | It's basically just dumping the .wps on the .sbs |
| 07:51:08 | jhMikeS | I've been looking at the same default statusbar for ages. Something that better matches the theme would be nice. What happened to the sb context thing? |
| 07:51:38 | [Saint] | I figured I'd leave that until there's playback control in the .sbs though, as on my theme it looks a little weird having "buttons" you can't use. |
| 07:52:31 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: My RaaA theme for 240x320 will likely work fine on the beast |
| 07:52:45 | [Saint] | One sec. |
| 07:53:10 | jhMikeS | Any touchscreen items to control playback would be pointless though |
| 07:53:24 | [Saint] | yes, but you have HW buttons. |
| 07:53:36 | jhMikeS | yes, real buttons |
| 07:54:12 | [Saint] | touchscreen tags are just ignored if it's not touchscreen. You just mentioned wanting a nice .sbs and IMO, I have one. |
| 07:54:31 | jhMikeS | excellent |
| 07:55:39 | jhMikeS | I did a convttf of arial real quick. I'm not sure how that's going to look. |
| 07:57:13 | [Saint] | This theme is "pre AA fonts inclusion", but it's just a matter of chaning some font names in a few places. Unfortunately using multifont means that the fonts need to be "hardcoded". |
| 07:57:32 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-c6c21e3e.html <−− 240x320 Cabbie |
| 07:57:57 | [Saint] | (also, excuse it sharing the name of my handset ;)) |
| 07:59:13 | [Saint] | Oh...shit, on the .wps there's two big touchscreen things for next/prev that'll look ass on a non-touch target (they look ass on touch targets too, but are useful). |
| 07:59:30 | [Saint] | if you're just using the .sbs though, that shouldn't matter or I canjust remove them for you. |
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| 08:01:44 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: start work on 1024*600 and ill get polayback controls working :) |
| 08:02:04 | jhMikeS | thanks. I'm getting "unsupported compression method" for the images...with the 7z program :\ |
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| 08:02:15 | JdGordon| | [Saint]: also, I tihnk you shold drop the bold font, non-bold looks bette (although bolding some lines in the wps is nice) |
| 08:03:43 | jhMikeS | oops, not just the images, the whole thing is saying that |
| 08:05:22 | jhMikeS | lol, there's no spacing between glyphs |
| 08:05:58 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-773f75ee.html <−− try a .zip |
| 08:06:25 | [Saint] | wierd though, as I downloaded the .7z from that link and unpacked it sucessfully here. |
| 08:07:04 | jhMikeS | Is the helvetica around in ttf? |
| 08:13:47 | jhMikeS | thanks, it looks pretty darn good. just need the font stuff together now :) |
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| 08:26:37 | jhMikeS | ah, there's one bug with convttf. the numerals come out proportional |
| 08:31:38 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-02ad0d19.html <−− make ugly next/prev touch areas touchscreen conditional. |
| 08:32:33 | [Saint] | (should fix the .wps, where "fix" == "remove obvious traces of it being designed for touchscreen") |
| 08:33:09 | jhMikeS | I only loaded the .sbs |
| 08:33:57 | jhMikeS | ah, now I see what you mean |
| 08:40:20 | jhMikeS | quite a nice change from the usual default. thanks again |
| 08:45:11 | jhMikeS | when in the FM screen, there's a big empty square at the top though |
| 08:46:29 | amiconn | saratoga: RMAA? |
| 08:47:02 | amiconn | Another question - what was the problem wrt playing raw aac again? |
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| 08:52:51 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: Ah...hmmmm, yes. There's no dedicated .fms interesting it's not using the correct backdrop there. |
| 08:54:00 | [Saint] | There's a hole in the titlebar to let the disk access animation show through, it's visible due to there not being a backdrop loaded by the .fms I guess. |
| 08:56:37 | [Saint] | changing the default .fms to load my backdrop instead of the the cabbie default should fix that. |
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| 09:00:21 | jhMikeS | [Saint]: Yes, I see that correctly everywhere else I've looked |
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| 09:11:05 | jhMikeS | the next track display seems to switch around odd things |
| 09:11:16 | jhMikeS | *to odd |
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| 09:19:33 | [Saint] | "Hmmm? |
| 09:19:39 | [Saint] | -" |
| 09:19:52 | [Saint] | what constitutes an "odd thing"? |
| 09:22:14 | [Saint] | It should (assuming a next track is present) alternate between displaying the next track title, than album and artist. |
| 09:22:14 | [Saint] | and it works as expected on my handset. |
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| 09:22:19 | [Saint] | If there's no next track present it will use the space to display genre and year for the current track. |
| 09:22:45 | [Saint] | s/than/then/ |
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| 09:28:09 | jhMikeS | I guess it's ok then |
| 09:29:39 | jhMikeS | "Next Track:" was still there so I wasn't sure |
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| 12:35:44 | kugel_ | JdGord, [Saint]: don't you use the menu button to go to the main menu? |
| 12:35:58 | [Saint] | I do. |
| 12:36:23 | [Saint] | But I wanted to make sure my theme didn't assume there was always a HW button to do so. |
| 12:36:57 | JdGord | Only when I remember |
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| 12:39:25 | [Saint] | (in order to achieve that I added two touch areas to the titlebar, long press goes to the context menu, and short press goes to the main menu...I don't use those personally, but I wanted to make sure they were there for odd hardware without physical buttons handy) |
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| 13:13:04 | kugel_ | bluebrother: the mime type doesn't seem to be needed for viewvc |
| 13:15:14 | bluebrother | kugel_: maybe, but it's needed to avoid svn trying to text-diff the files |
| 13:15:35 | kugel_ | svn has binary file detection |
| 13:15:52 | bluebrother | getting notification mails with png files shown as garbled text is quite annoying |
| 13:16:01 | bluebrother | maybe, but then it didn't work in that case. |
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| 13:16:39 | bluebrother | TortoiseSVN detects binary files and automatically sets svn:mime-type to application/octet-stream |
| 13:16:56 | bluebrother | so I'm convinced it's a svn client thing. |
| 13:17:56 | Alchymista | Is there an italian in this chat? |
| 13:19:29 | bluebrother | kugel_: also, from the SVN book: "To determine whether a contextual merge is possible, Subversion examines the svn:mime-type property. If the file has no svn:mime-type property, or has a MIME type that is textual (e.g., text/*), Subversion assumes it is text." |
| 13:19:45 | bluebrother | so not setting svn:mime-type on binary files _can_ be considered harmful |
| 13:20:49 | kugel_ | I read somewhere on their (old) page that it searches the first 1k for a NUL byte |
| 13:21:16 | kugel_ | I added the stuff you proposed to my .subversion/config now |
| 13:21:53 | bluebrother | that's in their FAQ. But they state that it's done on adding the file. I don't know how git-svn handles this but it seems it doesn't do that detection |
| 13:22:27 | kugel_ | they're still not on the wiki, but I'm going to change it |
| 13:22:37 | bluebrother | ok |
| 13:22:51 | Alchymista | Nel progetto rockbox perchĂš non mettono anche un emulatore del nes? Hanno messo l'emulatore del gbc che credo sia piu potente del nes... Ho visto infones ma non sono in grado di compilarlo, qualcuno lo sĂ fare? Scusatemi ma non sono inglese e sto traducendo con google traduttore |
| 13:22:57 | Alchymista | In the Rockbox project, why not put a nes emulator? They put the emulator gbc which I think is more powerful than the nes ... I saw infones but are not able to compile it, anyone can do it? Excuse me but I'm not English and I am translating with google translator |
| 13:22:58 | * | bluebrother was just trying to figure how git-svn handles adding binary files |
| 13:23:30 | bluebrother | Alchymista: simply because someone has to do the work. |
| 13:24:33 | Alchymista | ah .. and there is no one who is interested in doing the conversion? |
| 13:25:58 | Alchymista | ah .. and there is someone who is interested in doing the conversion of this emulator? |
| 13:26:43 | bluebrother | Alchymista: well, at least I'm not really interested in writing emulators :) But you might want to check back later / wait a while for responses. Not everyone is active this time of the day (it's middle of the day in europe plus weekend ... people do other things than Rockbox too :) |
| 13:27:30 | kugel_ | bluebrother: it doesn't appear to set mime type since I committed some of the files you just changed |
| 13:28:06 | Alchymista | ah .. I understand thanks:) |
| 13:30:39 | bluebrother | kugel_: after changing ~/.subversion/config and enabling autoprops? |
| 13:30:54 | kugel_ | no, before |
| 13:31:08 | * | bluebrother can't follow |
| 13:35:07 | Alchymista | How do you compile windows such as this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2911?getfile=14814 ?? I read the guides but I do not understand English well.. |
| 13:38:39 | Alchymista | If you do not understand I can change the wording of the question... |
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| 14:18:31 | gevaerts | How would people feel about USB networking in rockbox? |
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| 14:27:51 | pamaury | what do mean by usb networking ? |
| 14:28:14 | pamaury | implementing ethernet over usb or something similar ? |
| 14:29:09 | gevaerts | yes |
| 14:30:08 | pamaury | this would imply to have a networking stack too |
| 14:30:21 | gevaerts | yes |
| 14:30:40 | gevaerts | Something like lwip should be reasonably straightfoward to integrate |
| 14:32:08 | n1s | gevaerts: it sounds cool but i don't know what i'd want to use it for |
| 14:32:27 | Lear | Regarding convttf, anyone looked at why digits don't get the same width (with a font that seem to have the same width for all digits in the Windows UI)? |
| 14:33:46 | [Saint] | I assume kugel put a target on his back to hassle about convttf issues now ;D |
| 14:34:13 | kugel_ | Lear: jhMikeS already mentioned it |
| 14:34:18 | kugel_ | should they have the same width? |
| 14:34:42 | Lear | Yep. Looks bad in time displays and the like... |
| 14:35:32 | n1s | gevaerts: what were you planning to do with it? or is it just because you can? :) |
| 14:35:32 | kugel_ | I without further options convttf makes to digits as wide as they are in the input font |
| 14:35:38 | kugel_ | s/I // |
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| 14:36:01 | gevaerts | n1s: http file uploading, streaming, wps-as-a-webapp :) |
| 14:36:33 | kugel_ | perhaps I messed something up with my changes to convttf |
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| 14:41:55 | Lear | Hm, horiAdvance is the same for all digits, maybe that should be used rather than pitch (I'm guessing pitch is rarely 0)? |
| 14:43:56 | Lear | Not enough, as pitch (and width) is sometimes bigger than advance... |
| 14:45:00 | kugel_ | Lear: I removed horiBearingX from the calculation as it did strange things with narrow chars like i, perhaps it's needed for digits? |
| 14:45:37 | Lear | Maybe... |
| 14:45:48 | n1s | gevaerts: :) |
| 14:45:56 | kugel_ | (see the last convttf on FS #8961) |
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| 14:46:09 | n1s | it would be great with a zune port then, since it has built in wifi |
| 14:46:31 | gevaerts | Yes, or the sansa connect |
| 14:46:54 | kugel | Lear: I didn't understand what horiBearingX is even after reading the docs |
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| 14:47:50 | Lear | I tried always using horiAdvance for width. Digits looked good then, but some letters (e.g., "j") got too narrow then. |
| 14:48:08 | kugel | do you use the -c option? |
| 14:48:30 | Lear | No, can try that. |
| 14:49:18 | Lear | Didn't help. And I also forgot to mention I get lots of errors during conversion. |
| 14:49:21 | kugel | perhaps MAX(horiAdvance,width)? |
| 14:49:55 | Lear | Not good for digits, as width is sometimes bigger than advance. |
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| 15:23:39 | Lear | bearingX + advance works fine as width for digits, not so well for other chars. |
| 15:27:57 | kugel | Lear: perhaps just special case numbers? |
| 15:33:49 | Lear | Maybe. There could be some conversion errors (as in "errors = 1") with that though. And I only tested with one font. |
| 15:34:30 | Lear | I'll probably look more into it, and see if I can figure out a better width/col_offset calculation. |
| 15:36:22 | kugel | great |
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| 16:45:01 | Alchymista | Will there ever be a conversion of Rockbox ipod 3G? |
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| 16:54:17 | Buschel | did aynone get the freetype stuff included into cygwin in a way that convtff is compiling? |
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| 16:57:25 | gevaerts | Alchymista: rockbox does support the ipod 3G, and it has supported it for years |
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| 17:20:21 | pixelma | kugel: I did experience diff not respecting binary files if the svn mime-type wasn't set resulting in incomprehensible lines in the diff (and some text editors choked on those). Same with SVGs which are not binary files but seeing the diff in text isn't helpful with those either in most cases |
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| 17:51:44 | dpierce | the 'IpodConversionToFAT32' page only has the ipod nano 1st gen mbr listed. would it be safe to dd this on a 2nd gen nano? |
| 17:57:45 | Buschel | can anybody upload a current convtff.exe for win32? I am totally stuck in getting this stuff to compile under cygiwn |
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| 18:03:55 | * | dpierce writing the file anyway. wish me luck |
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| 18:20:51 | * | pixelma couldn't use the Rockbox widget on RaaAa currently - the addition of the "Cover art" item to the settings list pushed the "accept" or whatever off screen even in portrait mode and without scrolling... |
| 18:21:55 | pixelma | it's even there for the smaller widgets :| |
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| 18:27:59 | dpierce | for the record: writing the 1st gen nano mbr onto a 2nd gen seems to have worked without a hitch. someone should update the wiki to reflect this. |
| 18:28:19 | dpierce | if not ill create an account and come back here for write privs |
| 18:37:30 | CIA-2 | New commit by bluebrother (r29534): Fix a potential variable problem. Change some messages a bit. |
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| 18:48:03 | u42p | TheSeven: are you around? |
| 18:48:19 | TheSeven | u42p: pong |
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| 18:59:32 | saratoga | rmaa |
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| 19:00:09 | saratoga | amiconn: http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml |
| 19:00:20 | saratoga | basically just plots the frequency response and distortion of a test tone played from your clip |
| 19:00:44 | saratoga | if you've really got some other hardware revision that needs different settings, i expect SVN will look different in that test then on my player |
| 19:01:44 | u42p | i think i just unbricked my "4mb bricked" sansa clip+. i wiggled around in the top right corner of the case in an attempt to open it. it switch on and showed the rockbox (2.0) logo. so i randomly plugged usb in and now it shows the OF "connected" screen and i see 4 partitions |
| 19:01:48 | u42p | http://pastebin.com/SBZap5Yq |
| 19:01:48 | kugel | Buschel: is there a libfreetype for windows? |
| 19:02:27 | u42p | i cannot mount them though, "mount: special device /dev/sdf3 does not exist" |
| 19:02:45 | u42p | hm, "head: cannot open `/dev/sdf1' for reading: No such file or directory" |
| 19:02:57 | TheSeven | the partition table seems to be badly corrupted |
| 19:03:49 | TheSeven | u42p: can you do a "sudo dd if=/dev/sdf of=/tmp/mbr.bin bs=512 count=63", upload /tmp/mbr.bin somewhere and post a link? |
| 19:04:46 | u42p | head and hexdump of /dev/sdf : http://pastebin.com/XYn4QTWq |
| 19:04:48 | u42p | will do |
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| 19:05:54 | TheSeven | this looks like part of a FAT32 FAT |
| 19:06:09 | TheSeven | (which doesn't belong there at all) |
| 19:06:13 | Buschel | kugel: funny, I browsed the freetype.org site and did not find a hint. searching for "libfreetype" gives some more results. will come back, if I should still kepp stuck |
| 19:06:20 | amiconn | saratoga: Hmm, how am I supposed to test a dap using that? |
| 19:06:45 | u42p | if anyone else is interested, query me |
| 19:06:50 | saratoga | amiconn: it gives you a wav file, you play it with the DAP plugged into the line in jack on your computer |
| 19:06:50 | amiconn | I suspect I would need at least a pc with some high quality soundcard? |
| 19:06:55 | kugel | Buschel: you probably need to compile that first for windows before convttf |
| 19:07:06 | saratoga | well high quality compared to your Clip, which apparently sounds awful? |
| 19:07:18 | * | amiconn only has onboard sound |
| 19:07:23 | Buschel | there seems to be cygwin freetype library |
| 19:07:55 | saratoga | well if you don't think your computer is good enough to capture whatever kind of distortion you're hearing, then thats probably not going to work |
| 19:08:14 | saratoga | what were you hearing anyway? |
| 19:08:29 | TheSeven | u42p: this is really weird |
| 19:08:53 | u42p | i can imagine! |
| 19:09:23 | TheSeven | seems like a FAT32 FAT starts at sector 6 with everything before that being zeroed |
| 19:09:32 | TheSeven | and it wraps at sector 32 |
| 19:10:08 | u42p | trying to dd the whole /dev/sdf i get "dd: reading `/dev/sdf': Input/output error" "2670592 bytes (2.7 MB) copied, 147.573 s, 18.1 kB/s" |
| 19:10:13 | amiconn | saratoga: I was hearing imprecise sound with my earphones. At least I would have to solder together some wiring so I can hook up the earphones and the pc line in in parallel |
| 19:10:31 | * | TheSeven suspects some corruption internal to the storage device |
| 19:10:57 | amiconn | I'm quite sure I won't get the imprecise sound when impedance is changed from 16 ohms to several kohms |
| 19:11:02 | TheSeven | i.e. the FTL of the eMMC to NAND bridge being trashed |
| 19:11:27 | TheSeven | now if only i knew how those sansas work |
| 19:11:33 | saratoga | amiconn: i usually use a headphone splitter, you can buy then for a few dollars |
| 19:11:54 | saratoga | but what do you mean by imprecise sound? |
| 19:12:01 | u42p | now "fdisk -l" does not list the wannabe partitions anymore: "Disk identifier: 0x00000000" "Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 19:12:03 | saratoga | clipping, missing frequencies, noise? |
| 19:12:21 | saratoga | on HA several people with newer model clips reported a strong background sound |
| 19:12:34 | TheSeven | u42p: do you have that "orig_image.bin" file referred to on the unbricking page? |
| 19:12:44 | TheSeven | if yes, i'd try following those instructions |
| 19:12:59 | TheSeven | maybe we're accessing the raw flash currently because of some problem |
| 19:13:17 | TheSeven | if not, I don't think it will hurt much |
| 19:13:34 | u42p | i think i should have it around, doesnt RockboxUtility save it? |
| 19:13:49 | * | TheSeven has no idea about sansas and their installation process |
| 19:13:57 | TheSeven | you said that wiggling the case made it behave that way? |
| 19:14:26 | TheSeven | there might be some weird communication problem between the CPU and the NAND due to e.g. a loose connection |
| 19:14:44 | u42p | i tried to open it and in the top right corner (next to the power button) there was a small gap i could even get my fingernail into |
| 19:15:07 | u42p | that would be weird, i bricked it out of stupidity (unplugging during rockbox installation/update) |
| 19:15:50 | TheSeven | but you said that this was already taking unusually long, right? |
| 19:15:57 | TheSeven | probably due to I/O error retries |
| 19:16:23 | TheSeven | and if you unplug it while it's copying the firmware update to the device, I don't think this should be able to brick it |
| 19:16:36 | u42p | yes, about 10 minutes and rockboxutility hung (its window was blank and not responding) |
| 19:16:36 | TheSeven | every sane firmware would do some CRC check of the update before flashing it |
| 19:16:52 | TheSeven | so i'd suspect that there was already some hardware problem at that point |
| 19:18:17 | u42p | hm, maybe i could write http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-Update-01-02-15/td-p/150227 onto it? |
| 19:19:46 | TheSeven | wouldn't you need a working file system to do that? |
| 19:20:35 | u42p | yes but i thought maybe one could dd the included file |
| 19:21:01 | u42p | clppa.bin in http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clipplus/clipplus01.02.15.zip is what one normally copies onto the disk, then the player takes it from there |
| 19:21:44 | saratoga | doesn't the wiki say that you need to setup more then just the firmware bin file to unbrick though? |
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| 19:24:50 | TheSeven | u42p: i doubt that dd'ing that will work |
| 19:25:21 | u42p | iok, i am going to try to find someone who can dump from a working player |
| 19:26:09 | u42p | different sizes of the internal space should not matter, i guess? |
| 19:26:18 | u42p | i do think there are two series of the clip+ though |
| 19:26:18 | TheSeven | i think they will |
| 19:26:25 | TheSeven | you could try just partitioning and formatting it |
| 19:26:50 | TheSeven | or even just dd'ing /dev/zero to it first to see if there are lowlevel i/o problems |
| 19:29:43 | u42p | i am scared :) |
| 19:30:35 | u42p | i could also unplug it again and see what happens. that option would be gone if i write something to it. but then it might not be accessible again |
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| 19:35:29 | u42p | at least i found something funny http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Clip/4GB-Sansa-Clip-frozen-won-t-reset-computer-doesn-t-recognize-it/m-p/224286#M35615 :) |
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| 19:42:11 | u42p | hm, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick . if i found someone with a sansa clip+, would him running "dd if=/dev/sdsomething of=orig_image.bin bs=512 count=$((0xF000))" be what i need or is the recovery mode enabling some deeper access? |
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| 19:42:27 | saratoga | how much memory does the ClipV1 have available in codecs? is there some way to check short of a logf build? |
| 19:42:39 | u42p | i mean, would it help at all if he is not in recovery mode |
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| 19:44:35 | TheSeven | i have absolutely no idea |
| 19:45:29 | saratoga | i thinke FS #11992 - Ogg files won't play is just that the clipv1 doesn't have enough ram for those weird files hes generating |
| 19:48:43 | kugel | JdGordon|: ping |
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| 19:51:53 | amiconn | saratoga: Distortions, I guess. |
| 19:52:10 | saratoga | do quiet passages have a hiss? |
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| 19:56:56 | Buschel | kugel: strrrike ! :) |
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| 20:42:06 | kugel | jhMikeS: if/when you have some spare can you have a look at http://pastie.org/1640318 please? I want to reorder the event so that the TRACK_FINISH event comes when track is really over (not already when the codec starts the next track) |
| 20:47:04 | jhMikeS | kugel: np. I was including that fix in the "playback v2" I've been working on. There's also the matter of not advancing the playlist until the switch. |
| 20:58:01 | jhMikeS | in the audio_stop_playback case, shouldn't it check if the codec moved along to the next track? |
| 20:58:34 | jhMikeS | or just send id3 instead |
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| 21:10:46 | jhMikeS | setting id3 could maybe be better served by checking if filling is 'STATE_ENDING' (but that still leads in time) |
| 21:13:46 | kugel | playlist jumps still too early with that patch |
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| 21:18:02 | jhMikeS | fixing that behavior isn't trivial |
| 21:18:22 | jhMikeS | http://pastie.org/1640448 (a small mod to the stop that might work better) |
| 21:20:43 | jhMikeS | reason is the codec has already moved the playlist rather than just peeking |
| 21:25:04 | u42p | woah! i unplugged my sansa. and pressed power. and got rockbox |
| 21:25:20 | u42p | it froze on its "connected" screen after unplugging |
| 21:25:23 | u42p | wicked |
| 21:25:46 | u42p | tried to enter "recent bookmarks", now it hangs |
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| 21:27:42 | u42p | turned it off by holding power for some moments, now it plays dead again |
| 21:28:30 | gevaerts | u42p: that's the clip that was dead for a while? |
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| 21:29:40 | u42p | the one with the 4mb partition showing sometimes. earlier i had access to the internal memory (4gb) but everything was corrupted. i could not acquire an original firmware (to try to write there) and so i unplugged it. |
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| 21:35:30 | gevaerts | I wonder if there isn't some sort of hardware issue |
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| 21:37:39 | u42p | TheSeven suggested the same |
| 21:38:34 | u42p | looking back i had my microsd card corrupted many times but i always thought the early state of the rockbox port was too blame (i have 2.0 on it, iirc it was "unstable") |
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| 22:00:53 | wodz | TheSeven: ping |
| 22:01:12 | TheSeven | wodz: gnip |
| 22:02:38 | wodz | TheSeven: Is the code for exposing ramdisk on classic general or tightly connected to hardware? |
| 22:02:57 | wodz | and how big is the binary |
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| 22:03:37 | TheSeven | the binary is like 15KB or something, and it's loosely tied to the hardware |
| 22:03:47 | TheSeven | it uses a rockbox-like driver architecture |
| 22:04:01 | TheSeven | you can remove the lcd part altogether if neccessary, and just provide a USB driver |
| 22:04:25 | TheSeven | so it should run on AMSv2 with only some minor changes, as those use the same OTG |
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| 22:04:56 | TheSeven | of course the hardware will need to be initialized, so if that isn't handled by a different stage yet, this might need some effort |
| 22:04:59 | wodz | I am (eventually) interested in porting this to rk27xx hardware |
| 22:06:03 | wodz | hmm 15kB is too big for my purpose I am afraid |
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| 22:10:13 | ranmachan | u42p: Sorry I couldn't help you much. |
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| 22:10:43 | u42p | oh, i did not realise you were here |
| 22:10:45 | u42p | :) |
| 22:11:12 | * | ranmachan lurks too much |
| 22:11:37 | ranmachan | And all my stuff is still in storage till I move out of this temporary apartment |
| 22:12:30 | ranmachan | My clip+ is in a container in a warehouse somewhere ;) |
| 22:12:40 | TheSeven | wodz: if you strip it down you can get it way smaller |
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| 22:13:00 | u42p | heh |
| 22:13:05 | TheSeven | i think 4KB might well be doable with some tweaking |
| 22:13:29 | TheSeven | thumb, UCL, remove LCD, possibly remove FAT16 and just dd the executable to it, ... |
| 22:13:37 | TheSeven | there's lots of room for shrinking :) |
| 22:13:38 | ranmachan | u42p: I had the idea to hook an attiny to the jtag port on my clip+ that would bootstrap the system from uSD on power-on, but haven't gotten around to try and see if it's a workable idea yet :) |
| 22:13:38 | EspeonEefi | Hi, I just upgraded from 3.7.1 to 3.8 on a Sansa Clip+, and it seems my .m3u playlists with relative filenames no longer work. |
| 22:14:14 | u42p | ranmachan: good for you, that is way above my head, i think :P |
| 22:14:38 | EspeonEefi | They fail with the error Playlist Buffer Full. |
| 22:15:08 | u42p | well, let's see if i can get access to its memory again the next days |
| 22:15:10 | ranmachan | u42p: Did you try dd with the firmware image from the clipplus01.02.09.zip? |
| 22:15:38 | u42p | ranmachan: nope, could that work? we were not sure (rather negative) about it |
| 22:16:22 | ranmachan | I don't know, really |
| 22:16:29 | gevaerts | EspeonEefi: are those long playlists? |
| 22:16:35 | ranmachan | On my the internal sd interface is completely hosed. |
| 22:16:35 | u42p | i myself am rather clueless, not even sure what kind of filesystem i had access to (ie, if it was that recovery stuff, the NAND? or the normal 4gb storage space) |
| 22:16:58 | ranmachan | I cound start rockbox via jtag, but it could only see the external uSD (after some patching to make it ignore the internal sd) |
| 22:17:08 | EspeonEefi | No, they are not. And maybe the relativity is a red herring? Now some of them work, and some of them don't. |
| 22:17:13 | ranmachan | The internal nand controller was hanging during the init phase |
| 22:17:24 | EspeonEefi | (By not long, I'm talking 50-100 range.) |
| 22:19:04 | ranmachan | u42p: Was your "head /dev/sdf | hexdump" from the internal flash? |
| 22:20:01 | ranmachan | That looks like an FAT starting at 0000c00, but the fat-bootsector is missing (all 0) |
| 22:20:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:20:57 | u42p | ranmachan: i have no clue. fdisk showed /dev/sdf1 to 4, but with question marks. i could not access them. so i tried sdf and that was what i got. i tried to dd all of it but got an i/o error soon (after ~2.5MB) |
| 22:21:26 | u42p | ranmachan: everything started when i unplugged the device whilst rockboxutility was trying to install a new rockbox :] |
| 22:21:52 | ranmachan | So, maybe your flash is somehow hosed too |
| 22:22:15 | gevaerts | EspeonEefi: when loading a playlist that error should only be shown when the number of items in the playlist is larger than the "max files in playlist" setting |
| 22:22:32 | ranmachan | I've read before somewhere that you can 'brick' (create bad sectors) some usb-sticks / sd-cards if you unplug the power at the wrong moment during writing... |
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| 22:22:40 | gevaerts | That should never be that small though... |
| 22:22:55 | ranmachan | Question is, does dd always get I/O-Errors at the same point? |
| 22:23:04 | ranmachan | If you do two dd dumps, are they identical? |
| 22:23:19 | gevaerts | EspeonEefi: can you check Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Limits -> Max Playlist Size? |
| 22:25:45 | ranmachan | My theory would be that you interrupted a write at a bad point, which corrupted the boot sector and some other sector in the ftl so that it gives you i/o error for at least one sector |
| 22:25:52 | EspeonEefi | It says 10000. Okay... this was weird; by opening the playlist in vim and resaving it, that fixed my problems. |
| 22:26:08 | EspeonEefi | So this bug has been resolved, but the transient behavior was pretty odd. |
| 22:26:17 | ranmachan | You should try dd with "conv=sync,noerror" |
| 22:26:48 | EspeonEefi | (When the load would fail, the counter on the WPS would show 1 out of 10000, and playback would fail to run.) |
| 22:26:51 | ranmachan | If it then can read most of the flash except for a few sectors with read errors, that would be a good sign |
| 22:26:55 | gevaerts | That;s weird |
| 22:27:19 | ranmachan | You could then try to dd the image you read back to the device, which might fix the sectors with io errors |
| 22:27:30 | EspeonEefi | All right, then. Thanks for your help, gevaerts! |
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| 22:28:32 | wodz | Is there an upper limit how big usb control transfer can be? |
| 22:29:26 | JdGordon| | kugel: pong |
| 22:29:59 | TheSeven | wodz: the maximum packet size is 64 bytes, but I don't think the number of packets is limited |
| 22:30:35 | TheSeven | well, maybe by the hardware implementation... for the OTG used in the s5l87xx, that limit would be 32KB |
| 22:31:55 | wodz | and it comes from? |
| 22:32:07 | wodz | receive buffer size? |
| 22:32:13 | TheSeven | the width of the "maximum number of packets to expect" field |
| 22:32:15 | gevaerts | wodz: do you want theory or practice? |
| 22:32:30 | wodz | practice :-) |
| 22:32:56 | TheSeven | I'm happily sending 256KB transfers over bulk endpoints |
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| 22:33:05 | TheSeven | (32KB for USB1.1) |
| 22:33:36 | wodz | I can send a few kB without error but 10kB fails |
| 22:34:07 | u42p | ranmachan: earlier i unplugged the player (since i switch off my pc overnight anyways), since then it is "dead" again. no chance for any access |
| 22:34:13 | u42p | i will try again tomorrow |
| 22:34:21 | u42p | thanks |
| 22:34:43 | gevaerts | wodz: for control, you can probably get away with 32 byte transfers if you only want simple mass storage |
| 22:34:57 | u42p | bedtime for me, good night! |
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| 22:37:33 | gevaerts | For bulk (again mass storage) you need to be able to deal with 64K transfers, unless you can afford to say it only runs under linux and people have to tweak some /sys values |
| 22:38:32 | wodz | gevaerts: no no, I am exploring recovery mode on rockchip device. It loads first image into iram which is supposed to configure sdram controller by means of control transfer. Than it runs the code loaded and waits for second control transfer which load some code at the begining of the sdram. The problem I am facing is that this second stage binary is limited for some reason to only a few kB. |
| 22:38:54 | gevaerts | Ah, ok |
| 22:39:13 | wodz | I am wondering if this is because of transfer handler on the device or it is imposed by control transfer itself |
| 22:39:29 | gevaerts | There's no fundamental reason for that |
| 22:40:46 | wodz | :/ |
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| 23:21:20 | bluebrother | does building the Android app with Eclipse work? |
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| 23:31:14 | Guest78370 | Hi Guys!!! What projects will be participating in this year (GSoC 2011)? |
| 23:33:02 | gevaerts | Guest78370: that |
| 23:33:29 | gevaerts | Guest78370: that's still being discussed, although there's a draft list on the wiki. Remember that we haven't been selected yet though |
| 23:35:13 | Guest78370 | Thank you! |
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| 23:47:18 | Luca_S | hello everybody! I am always more covinced that my problems with the database are related to uSD. Recap: FuzeV2, hangs while scanning music on random files. The very same files on the internal SD get scanned fine, they hang only when placed on the uSD. If I eject the uSD, the database immediately resumes scanning and completes fine. Is there anything I can do to diagnose uSD related problems? |
| 23:51:36 | paulheu | good evening all.. anyone notice that tols/ft2build.h is missing (as required by tools/convttf.c).. latest svn obv won't compile.. |
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| 23:52:08 | Luca_S | paulheu: are you sure? I had to do a make clean before building again since AA fonts got committed.. |
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| 23:52:12 | Luca_S | paulheu: are you sure? I had to do a make clean before building again since AA fonts got committed.. |
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| 23:52:28 | gevaerts | paulheu: you need the freetype development stuff |
| 23:56:15 | Luca_S | mmmmm... panic uD init failed: -3 |
| 23:56:22 | Luca_S | s/uD/uSD |
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