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| 00:02:25 | CIA-2 | New commit by sideral (r29548): autoresume: Manual: Clarify precedence rules for resume positions ... |
| 00:06:41 | CIA-2 | r29548 build result: All green |
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| 00:07:53 | CIA-2 | New commit by sideral (r29549): Backport r29548: autoresume: Manual: Clarify precedence rules for resume positions ... |
| 00:08:24 | JdGordon | sideral: pretty sure there is no point backporting only manual changes |
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| 00:09:37 | sideral | JdGordon: Well, I wanted that minor manual error fixed in case there's a point release. And also, I wanted to try git commit on an SVN branch :) |
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| 00:16:02 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What about packaging the default theme? Is the idea that you just copy the unprocessed files from the wps/ directory? Also (IIUC), your patch is now ignoring the size specified in configure for the SDL app, and hard-coding the default to 320x480? |
| 00:16:40 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the patch needs syncing, the configured size would be the default |
| 00:16:48 | JdGordon | and yes to the shipped themes |
| 00:17:35 | JdGordon | of course for alot of the app platforms the screen size is static per device so the theme could be easily downloaded on first run |
| 00:17:56 | JdGordon | wasting 3MB of the android apk on images is not nice |
| 00:18:18 | JdGordon | that ends up as 6MB of used space in /system on android |
| 00:18:42 | linuxstb | We should really switch from bmp, at least for RaaA. |
| 00:18:53 | JdGordon | thats a completly different issue |
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| 00:21:08 | amiconn | linuxstb, gevaerts: I do have realpath installed though |
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| 00:24:35 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Not really. It makes the idea of shipping a range of themes more feasible - RaaA targets may not all have network connections. And Rockbox could then always delete ones it knows it doesn't need. |
| 00:25:26 | JdGordon | yes, but that doesnt need to be solved right now |
| 00:25:57 | JdGordon | it just really annoys me that I need to keep rebuilding the sdlapp to try different themes in different lcd sizes |
| 00:26:12 | JdGordon | and most targets that would use the sdl app have no problems with disk space |
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| 00:36:37 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Regarding the compiled-in images, how many are there? Is the USB logo used? |
| 00:37:21 | JdGordon | I tihnk only the boot image and usb, and yeah, i dont think usb is actually used |
| 00:40:18 | JdGordon | worst case currently is that the image is too small/big(so gets cropped) |
| 00:44:58 | kugel | buggers, you can't easily terminate rockbox on android |
| 00:45:18 | JdGordon | and you've only realised that now!? |
| 00:45:37 | kugel | I just implemented it, but there's one problem |
| 00:46:06 | kugel | java doesn't GC the .so, so it re-uses it on restart => bss is not zeroed and crash |
| 00:46:35 | JdGordon | surely you can force the .so to fully reload? |
| 00:47:46 | kugel | how? |
| 00:48:21 | kugel | internets suggests the only way is with another native library to wrap dlopen/dlclose so you can explicitely unload |
| 00:48:41 | JdGordon | lame |
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| 00:51:34 | JdGordon | what about fixing rockbox itself so it can do a sort of warm reboot without actually restarting? |
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| 01:04:50 | sideral | jhMikeS: Thanks for your comment re FS #12001. I had forgotten that you'd given me that advice before. I'll have a go at it later this week. |
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| 01:37:50 | JdGordon | [Saint]: did my email make things any clearer? |
| 01:38:03 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 01:45:17 | saratoga | why can i often not see my posts in the forum? |
| 01:45:28 | saratoga | they'll show up if i reply to a thread, but i read the thread directly they're gone |
| 01:45:57 | [Saint] | are posts delayed for <X> period? |
| 01:46:13 | JdGordon | spam bug maybe? |
| 01:46:31 | JdGordon | I'm getting that bug also with one of [Saint]'s posts |
| 01:46:36 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=27373 |
| 01:46:59 | [Saint] | lol, it hates me. |
| 01:47:45 | saratoga | the "last reply" thing on the forums show my post, but i can't actually see it except by replying to the thread |
| 01:47:56 | saratoga | e.g here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27393.0.html |
| 01:48:11 | saratoga | i have the last post according to the forums and the reply screen, but not according to the thread when i view it directly |
| 01:48:14 | [Saint] | yeah, I've seen that before...I've never seen it happen with one of my own posts yet though. |
| 01:48:19 | saratoga | no idea if other people can see it |
| 01:48:26 | [Saint] | The Forum is a sick puppy I think. |
| 01:48:54 | JdGordon | yeah, your last post isnt showing excpet in reply window |
| 01:48:59 | JdGordon | scorche|sh: ^ |
| 01:49:16 | [Saint] | yup, not in "recent posts" |
| 01:50:07 | saratoga | hey quoting it fixed it |
| 01:50:14 | saratoga | now you can see the post |
| 01:50:39 | saratoga | ah now its gone |
| 01:50:47 | saratoga | I need to add ".new/spam,true.html#new" before I can see the whole thread |
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| 02:14:34 | saratoga | hope this isn't a duplicate: FS #12002 - Inserting microsd during boot up freezes rockcbox on Clip+ |
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| 02:22:48 | kugel | for the logs, manually clearing the bss works (re: android restart issue) |
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| 02:34:11 | kugel | IIUC the problem is that the service isn't garbage collect because android things it's more useful to keep it memory in case it's needed again |
| 02:34:40 | kugel | that's what the "running services" tab in the apps system menu tells |
| 02:34:47 | JdGordon | you could always cause it to segfault :) |
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| 02:39:21 | kugel | :\ |
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| 05:11:29 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Have you had a chance to play with the pretty .sbs/.wps? |
| 05:14:28 | [Saint] | I've had a nosey at your test .sbs, and it seemed *fairly* straightforward, and I should be able to get a hang of it with your descriptions of how variables operate. |
| 05:14:58 | [Saint] | Don't be terribly surprised if I pester you whilst trying to get it working how I want it though ;) |
| 05:18:54 | JdGordon | i havnt |
| 05:19:04 | JdGordon | i bassically wanted to stab myself in the eye after looking at your sbs code :D |
| 05:19:29 | [Saint] | What's wrong with it? |
| 05:19:42 | [Saint] | Oh..."one letter identifiers are evel" :0 |
| 05:19:48 | [Saint] | *evil too |
| 05:20:29 | JdGordon | they are, but no |
| 05:20:55 | [Saint] | ....so? |
| 05:20:55 | JdGordon | it isnt so straight forward to go from it to using variables to enable viewports |
| 05:21:48 | [Saint] | well, surely you knew I'd be wanting to enable a viewport with this...it was the use case being discussed when you came up with the idea. |
| 05:21:55 | [Saint] | Is it not possible? |
| 05:24:11 | JdGordon | of course... no i mean it involves a fair bit of logic rewrite that i couldnt be bothered doing last night |
| 05:24:57 | [Saint] | Oh, right. Yeah, sweet. I parsed that totally the wrong way, my heart just sank a bit there. |
| 05:25:06 | JdGordon | you also really need to figure out your viewport display priority ordering... |
| 05:25:11 | [Saint] | I thought "Crap...how am I going to do it *now*!?!" ;) |
| 05:25:18 | JdGordon | iirc you start your vp enabling line with %?C<> |
| 05:25:25 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I cleaned that up dramatically. |
| 05:25:33 | JdGordon | great |
| 05:26:19 | [Saint] | that was something from SVN that I just cut the %Tl's out of and left because it just so happened to use the same identifiers I had. |
| 05:26:47 | [Saint] | Which I kinda neglected trying to get other things figured out. |
| 05:30:23 | [Saint] | Man...portrait/landscape switching would be *so* awesome in RaaA. |
| 05:30:56 | [Saint] | But I suspect even if we had it, we'd need to develop *two* themes for each target then, haha. |
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| 06:45:27 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I've been thinking about what you said re: my VP logic. |
| 06:45:55 | [Saint] | And, even though I've simplified it...I don't know what else to do other than begin the switch with %C |
| 06:46:20 | JdGordon | that is ok as long as it doesnt get too deep with conditionals |
| 06:46:27 | [Saint] | It is, after all, the switch that governs what VPs are displayed when there's AA/no AA |
| 06:46:45 | [Saint] | it's just %?C<foo|bar> now. |
| 06:47:12 | JdGordon | actually.. why is %?C controlling the popup viewport? |
| 06:47:22 | [Saint] | It isn't, and never was. |
| 06:47:41 | JdGordon | iirc it indirectly is? |
| 06:47:46 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 06:47:54 | [Saint] | in SVN, yes. |
| 06:47:57 | [Saint] | Not on mine. |
| 06:51:22 | [Saint] | perhaps you got confused by one letter identifiers, and the fact that the SVN cabbie uses different identifiers for viewports that could easily share them. |
| 06:53:10 | [Saint] | (it was something like <%Vd(A)%Vd(B)|%Vd(C)%Vd(D)> when it could have easily been <%Vd(A)|%Vd(B)> ...or something like this) |
| 06:53:55 | [Saint] | My current progress is at: http://pastebin.com/HN47Agmi <−− Gimme a yell if you need the images. |
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| 07:18:55 | JdGordon | [Saint]: thats not using the vars yet? |
| 07:19:07 | * | JdGordon will commit it tonight almost certainly |
| 07:19:14 | JdGordon | unless dynamic screen res takes too long |
| 07:46:15 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Not yet, no...I was kinda hoping you'd play with that theme to get them sorted but you just made your own test instead ;p |
| 07:46:33 | [Saint] | I'll have a play with variables tonight. |
| 07:46:43 | JdGordon | that paste seems cleaner than the last version you gave me so after dinner maybe |
| 07:47:30 | [Saint] | Yeah, It just looked awful because VPs that could share identifiers weren't, for no apparent reason. |
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| 08:00:10 | Buschel | is someone disagreeing to close FS #11746, FS #11764, FS #11775 and FS #11846 based on the latest changes to buffering/playback/ATA_DMA? I would keep FS #11863 open for further issues. |
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| 08:06:20 | Buschel | if noone objects I will close them tonight |
| 08:06:25 | Buschel | see you later |
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| 08:19:00 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/DUvMsSA6 <−− JdGordon: I realised that the current/next track info can share an identifier when AA is true, but not when it's false, as when there's no AA the popup will only occupy the "next track info/no AA" viewport's space, so the current track info can still be displayed. Don't share VP identifiers for this case. |
| 08:19:59 | [Saint] | ah..hehe, I just discovered another fail. ;) |
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| 08:21:11 | [Saint] | yes, don't share the AA vp identifier with the aa true/next/current vps. *derp*. |
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| 08:24:50 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/5ZvmGUYE <−−- don't make silly assumptios about what will/wont be displayed, we always want to see AA if it's true and the current track info if AA is not true. fixes this. |
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| 08:26:13 | [Saint] | (ToDo: viewports d and b need to be conditional to the popup VPs being true) |
| 08:27:16 | Zagor | [Saint]: 118 column lines? |
| 08:27:33 | * | [Saint] shrugs |
| 08:27:54 | Zagor | with the rest of the file so neat and tidy, those lines look quite out of place |
| 08:28:21 | [Saint] | one big lump of code makes it very hard to read. |
| 08:28:38 | [Saint] | the spacing in this case is a little excessive, but..."meh". |
| 08:30:05 | [Saint] | Oh...derp, I thought you were referring to the vertical spacing comments added. |
| 08:30:35 | Zagor | ah, no those are fine. I meant the long lines in the header and footer. |
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| 08:31:15 | [Saint] | 118 just so hapened to fit on my editor perfrectly, I didn't really account for those used to 80 |
| 08:32:13 | Zagor | 80 is a good length since it's a de-facto standard so a lot of systems are adapted to it. such as pastebin... :-) |
| 08:32:32 | [Saint] | but, that's all crap specific to my themes...all that would never make it into svn of course. It's just a PITA to strip it. |
| 08:33:42 | Zagor | btw, is there a reasoning behind not positioning the prev/next/play/pause in the "standard" << || >> way? |
| 08:34:46 | [Saint] | Yes, it's called "not breaking the mold" ;) |
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| 08:35:35 | [Saint] | I thought about that, but I figured people might see it as "too weird" as all the other touch cabbies seem to have the layout I used. |
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| 08:36:25 | Zagor | I think quite the opposite. our way is "too weird" to everyone using any other touch UI. which, on raaa, is pretty much "everyone". |
| 08:37:47 | Zagor | my feeling is that the touch cabbies were made more to visually resemble the button UIs rather than be very good for touch |
| 08:38:49 | Zagor | so while you are now making an effort with it, I think we/you should rearrange those |
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| 08:48:55 | Zagor | overall, I think the default raaa theme should strive to be "unsurprising" |
| 08:49:34 | Zagor | that goes for raaa overall though, not just the theme |
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| 08:53:50 | JdGordon | [Saint]: ok, im makng a rule, I refuse to look at any skins which dont either 1) list what each viewport id is for in comments or 2) use sensible ids |
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| 09:05:26 | [Saint] | that whole theme has like...2 vps that aren't immediately obvious as to their function. |
| 09:06:56 | [Saint] | possibly only even one, the title before the vp is generally a giveaway, and I can only think of one vp that doesn't have one, but has a seperate identifier...and that one id immediately under a "track info" heading and has "next track:" in it as a param, so I thought it was obvious. |
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| 09:46:09 | JdGordon | [Saint]: sure, but scanning down 200 lines of gibberish isnt sometinhg i (and i imagine most people) enjoy |
| 09:46:42 | JdGordon | I dont think adding 1 line comment per conditinoal viewport at the top is too much to ask for |
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| 10:15:45 | AlexP | [Saint]: I haven't looked at the theme, but I agree with Zagor - we should go for <<||>> on RaaA - the default should be standard where possible |
| 10:16:47 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Are the VP titles honestly not enough? |
| 10:17:52 | [Saint] | # TITLE OF VIEWPORT /n %V(blah, blah, blah, blah) |
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| 10:25:56 | [Saint] | AlexP: Zagor: Ok...well, that either leaves the option of "shuffle repeat previous/rewind play/pause/stop next/fastforward" or "previous/rewind play/pause/stop next/fastforward shuffle repeat" |
| 10:26:07 | [Saint] | which seems...I dunno, "better"? |
| 10:26:39 | AlexP | I'd probably go for your second option, but I don't really mind |
| 10:26:52 | [Saint] | sounds good to me ;) |
| 10:26:57 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 10:27:01 | pixelma | reminds me of the Rockbox widget which has become unusable to me now since I can't exit its non-scrollable settings screen anymore... dionoea ;) |
| 10:27:06 | [Saint] | It's an opinion at least, whereas I have none. ;p |
| 10:27:25 | Zagor | [Saint]: won't it be prettier to have shuffle and repeat each on one side of the central controls? |
| 10:27:36 | AlexP | oh yeah, or that |
| 10:27:40 | Zagor | so "S << || >> R" |
| 10:27:45 | [Saint] | pixelma: If you have HW buttons, you can use them to select the buttons offscreen and apply the widget still. |
| 10:28:08 | [Saint] | Zagor: Ok...I'll do that. |
| 10:28:15 | Zagor | nice |
| 10:28:49 | JdGordon | [Saint]: no because that 1 letter gets visually lost in all the code. it is 100000x easier to know what it does if there is a obvious comment block at the top saying what each is |
| 10:29:00 | JdGordon | and I';m fairly confident others will agree with me |
| 10:29:00 | [Saint] | pixelma: You can use the DPAD to scroll down the selections, the first offscreen selection should apply the widget. |
| 10:29:35 | [Saint] | pixelma: I agre it should scroll though, it's just not "unusable" (I first thought it was also) |
| 10:29:52 | pixelma | I don't have a DPAD and don't find a button to accept |
| 10:29:59 | Zagor | JdGordon: I'm not sure I agree. having the comment close to the code is generally my preference. |
| 10:30:12 | [Saint] | Zagor: my theory. |
| 10:30:17 | AlexP | pixelma: Which size widgi |
| 10:30:21 | [Saint] | +that is, too. |
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| 10:30:28 | AlexP | *widget? |
| 10:30:32 | pixelma | AlexP: all of then |
| 10:30:38 | pixelma | *them |
| 10:30:47 | [Saint] | AlexP: It's not the widget, it's the widget setup screen. |
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| 10:30:53 | pixelma | yes |
| 10:30:57 | AlexP | ah right |
| 10:31:12 | [Saint] | the recently added option for cover art pushed the "apply widget" button off the bottom of the screen. |
| 10:31:49 | [Saint] | dropping the way too large (and IMO not necessary) Rockbox logo from the widget setup screen would fix that nicely. |
| 10:32:09 | [Saint] | but being able to scrol on this screen would be the "correct" fix. |
| 10:32:14 | [Saint] | *scroll |
| 10:32:14 | AlexP | I don't have that issue, 480x800 and I suspect the person making it didn't consider lower resolutions |
| 10:32:23 | AlexP | So yeah, needs fixing |
| 10:32:30 | AlexP | But I can see why it happened :) |
| 10:32:36 | [Saint] | AlexP: dionoea actually said he didn't test below that res. |
| 10:32:49 | [Saint] | It just didn't occur to him it wouldn;t scroll automagically. |
| 10:32:56 | AlexP | yeah |
| 10:33:47 | pixelma | that's what dionoea said already but I've been complaining a few times and a while though (as I already saw this issue before the one addition on my phone in landscape modus), now it has become more obvious |
| 10:33:53 | pixelma | *mode |
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| 10:35:06 | [Saint] | yeah...on landscape it's always been completely screwy on my phone. |
| 10:35:22 | pixelma | [Saint]: I think I tried every possible button now - none let me scroll and none accepts |
| 10:35:27 | pixelma | not even "enter" |
| 10:35:34 | [Saint] | I guess I should have spoken up, but at the time I noticed that RaaA still wasn't taking bug reports officially iirc. |
| 10:36:13 | [Saint] | pixelma: The RaaA code probably relies on there being a 5 button DPAD too much. |
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| 10:36:44 | AlexP | [Saint]: I'm not sure about that - the actual app doesn't need one, and this is just an oversight I'd say |
| 10:37:12 | [Saint] | I've no idea what to do about say, navigation and exiting plugins etc. on targets with no nice HW buttons. |
| 10:37:42 | AlexP | Well plugins yeah, but they haven't really been worked on at all |
| 10:37:58 | * | pixelma curses SE a bit for the actual choice of hw buttons... there's a keyboard but some standards are missing :\\ |
| 10:38:16 | AlexP | I just don't go near the plugins, my phone only has three buttons total :) |
| 10:38:34 | [Saint] | I didn't realise the X10 didn't have a DPAD, I actually thought the X10 pro did. |
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| 10:46:34 | dionoea | pixelma: yeah, I'll fix it |
| 10:47:30 | pixelma | nice, thanks |
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| 11:36:56 | dionoea | hum, why are freetype headers required to build rockbox now ? |
| 11:38:09 | Zagor | dionoea: for the AA font conversion tool |
| 11:38:32 | gevaerts | We probably want to change things a bit to make it less mandatory though |
| 11:38:41 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:39:04 | dionoea | isn't it an extra tool ? |
| 11:39:14 | dionoea | or is it required to build rockbox? |
| 11:39:45 | Zagor | dionoea: no, it's an external tool. hence gevaerts' comment. |
| 11:40:22 | gevaerts | Well, semi-external. If some day the default theme uses an AA font, it will be as required as convbdf |
| 11:40:36 | gevaerts | Right now though, it's to convert external fonts |
| 11:42:47 | dionoea | Ah, I thought that fonts were already converted in svn. |
| 11:43:01 | dionoea | Do different targets use different formats? |
| 11:43:36 | gevaerts | No, but the converted font format isn't suitable for editing |
| 11:43:48 | Zagor | no, it's rather a principle not to store "compiled" data in svn |
| 11:44:12 | dionoea | hum ok... I would have though that fonts were already somewhat compiled |
| 11:44:49 | Zagor | yes, I guess one could debate what the proper source format is |
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| 11:46:35 | rasher | would be ttf, no? |
| 11:47:14 | Zagor | I don't know. is ttf the preferred format for editing a font? |
| 11:48:20 | Torne | for outline fonts, more or less |
| 11:48:29 | gevaerts | I'd suspect ttf is pretty common as an interchange format |
| 11:48:48 | rasher | or... otf is it? |
| 11:48:57 | gevaerts | Of course there are those people who hand-write their fonts in postscript |
| 11:49:01 | Torne | truetype vs opentype is somewhat arbitrary |
| 11:49:04 | gevaerts | rasher: isn't that *just* a new version? |
| 11:49:08 | Torne | most ttfs *are* opentype fonts these dyas |
| 11:49:10 | gevaerts | āWell, "just" |
| 11:49:25 | rasher | Alright |
| 11:49:42 | rasher | I assume freetype doesn't care |
| 11:49:45 | Torne | some proprietary font editors have their own soruce formats but it's not clear those are valuable and theyr'e certainly not standard |
| 11:50:01 | Torne | all the "free" ones i know of operate directly on ttf/whatever |
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| 12:22:26 | kugel_ | fwiw, otf2bdf also works will all ttfs I tried |
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| 12:25:07 | Torne | yes, otf is more or less a superset of ttf |
| 12:25:10 | CIA-2 | New commit by dave (r29550): Don't automatically build convttf - it isn't (currently) required to build Rockbox. |
| 12:27:23 | kugel | I thought tools.make is used these days? |
| 12:28:00 | gevaerts | It is |
| 12:28:05 | gevaerts | tools/Makefile is separate |
| 12:28:30 | gevaerts | I think you need root.make though |
| 12:28:57 | CIA-2 | r29550 build result: All green |
| 12:29:24 | kugel | why is that? |
| 12:29:41 | gevaerts | because that's where the list of required tools is declared |
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| 12:40:53 | linuxstb | Did I remove it from the wrong place? |
| 12:49:09 | JdGordon | HAVE_DYNAMIC_LCD_SIZE or LCD_DIMENSIONS ? |
| 12:49:25 | JdGordon | or something shorter? |
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| 12:56:43 | JdGordon | damn, applying cleanly was too much to hope for, even after removing any android related changes |
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| 13:00:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: HAVE_DYNAMIC_LCD_SIZE seems fine to me. |
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| 13:11:37 | dionoea | pixelma: what resolution are you using on android ? |
| 13:11:42 | JdGordon | if we are using stdc99 I should be able to do char buf[size*4]; right? |
| 13:11:48 | JdGordon | for stack vars |
| 13:12:38 | dionoea | kugel: do you already have pending modifications to handle headset plug in/out in the android app? (if not I'll have a go at it) |
| 13:12:51 | kugel | no i haven't |
| 13:13:08 | JdGordon | ah, hmm.. not a stack var |
| 13:13:22 | kugel | JdGordon: should work |
| 13:14:01 | JdGordon | the bmp.c changes in this patch are useless.... it calls buffer_alloc() without checking playback status |
| 13:14:17 | JdGordon | replacing unsigned char buf[BM_MAX_WIDTH * 4]; |
| 13:15:00 | pixelma | dionoea: 240x320 (the widget settings also work in landscape mode though) |
| 13:16:06 | pixelma | still the "accept" is currently off screen even in portrait mode |
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| 13:21:16 | Ej_Pulsar | Guys, is someone uses cowon d2(+) in car with rockbox? |
| 13:22:58 | JdGordon | yay! i killled the sim! |
| 13:23:04 | JdGordon | dont get further than the boot spl;ash |
| 13:28:49 | pixelma | Ej_Pulsar: the D2(+) is probably one of the rare targets as the port is also quite incomplete if I remember correctly. Maybe your question is something generic though so you should just ask it |
| 13:33:50 | Ej_Pulsar | I simply need large track name and big progress bar |
| 13:34:19 | * | JdGordon broke scrolling somehow |
| 13:37:27 | pixelma | Ej_Pulsar: if you have Rockbox installed already, you can just chose another theme or make your own. There should be plenty on http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php as the D2 shares the screen size with the Ipov Video. You may need to install the font package too |
| 13:37:45 | pixelma | Ipod too |
| 13:40:03 | Ej_Pulsar | Thank you |
| 13:52:04 | JdGordon | well, we knew this was coming.... dynamic screen size break pictureflow BADLY |
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| 14:00:28 | JdGordon | how do I #define FOO BAR if BAR gets #undef'ed straight after? |
| 14:01:22 | JdGordon | i obviously want FOO to have whatever BAR is defined to |
| 14:04:15 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.com/QrdhuYVC |
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| 14:25:34 | JdGordon | I've updated FS #11615 (dyn lcd size) if anyone is interested (scrolling is broken so if somoene wants to figure out why that would be great :D ) |
| 14:27:08 | sideral | JdGordon: why do you need to #undef? |
| 14:28:56 | JdGordon | I dont think I do anymore, but only because i changed autoconf.h in a not so nice way |
| 14:29:31 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why not #define MAX_LCD_WIDTH for all targets? |
| 14:30:01 | sideral | if you'd need to undef temporarily, you could use #pragma push_macro("MACRO_NAME") |
| 14:30:20 | sideral | then undef, then pop_macro |
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| 14:31:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: just to move the #ifdef mess? |
| 14:32:40 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 14:33:42 | JdGordon | hmm, just #define MAX_LCD_WIDTH LCD_WIDTH on static targets? |
| 14:37:47 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 14:38:03 | JdGordon | done, updating the diff and going to bed |
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| 15:07:21 | hsa2 | hello |
| 15:07:45 | hsa2 | i just have a sansa clip+ from a seller |
| 15:07:53 | hsa2 | and there was rockbox installed |
| 15:08:18 | hsa2 | i downloaded rockbox utility and uninstalled rockbox but now when i turn on my device i get file not found firmware error |
| 15:08:37 | Torne | follow the instructions in the manual |
| 15:08:43 | hsa2 | i tried to sansa's firmware updated but it doesn't work because firmware is already up-to-date |
| 15:08:51 | hsa2 | Torne: what manual? uninstalling? |
| 15:09:15 | AlexP | The Rockbox manual |
| 15:09:18 | Torne | Rokcbox Utility should've told you that it can't uninstall the bootloader and told you you need to do it yourself |
| 15:09:24 | AlexP | from www.rockbox.org |
| 15:09:32 | Torne | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-220002.5.2 |
| 15:09:57 | hsa2 | Torne: i am already on that documentation but i have a problem |
| 15:10:06 | hsa2 | i don't know how to copy an untouched firmware |
| 15:10:28 | Torne | That page tells you |
| 15:10:31 | Torne | It's the same as installation |
| 15:10:39 | Torne | just don't patch it first |
| 15:11:13 | Torne | Sansa's page where you can download the firmware also tells you how to install it |
| 15:13:13 | hsa2 | Torne: i think i get it but can you please give url of sansa's page? i couldn't find it |
| 15:13:20 | Torne | It's linked from the manual |
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| 15:14:09 | hsa2 | i can't believe, i opened that page for like 20 times but all i saw was 'download firmware update application' |
| 15:14:11 | hsa2 | sorry |
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| 16:52:26 | fuhrer_ | Hello all , can someone provide me the url for monitoring the recently reported bugs |
| 16:53:31 | Zagor | fuhrer_: if you want to monitor all bugs, subscribe to the rockbox-sf mailing list. |
| 16:54:04 | Zagor | if you are only interested in a few, watch them in flyspray and you'll get mailed updates |
| 16:54:14 | gevaerts | There's also the rss feed |
| 16:55:04 | Zagor | oh, right |
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| 18:24:14 | CIA-2 | New commit by dionoea (r29551): Add a scrollbar to the android widget's configuration activity. |
| 18:24:37 | dionoea | pixelma: ^ |
| 18:28:03 | CIA-2 | r29551 build result: All green |
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| 18:36:33 | dionoea | hum kugel? widget buttons don't work here anymore :( |
| 18:42:35 | dionoea | ah ... seems to be a permission error |
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| 19:04:10 | CIA-2 | New commit by dionoea (r29552): Looks like Android 2.3 is more strict when enforcing permissions. Explicitly declare allowed intents under the Service tag in AndroidManifest.xml. ... |
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| 19:46:59 | CIA-2 | New commit by dionoea (r29553): Ask for track information to be resent after creating a new widget. |
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| 19:50:34 | dionoea | Anyone using git svn have a "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by X commits." after a "git svn rebase" ? |
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| 20:01:47 | pixelma | dionoea: I'll try in a bit, thanks. |
| 20:02:10 | flutterbudget | Just a random note, for anyone who happens to have the authority...on the main page, it should be made clear that both the v1 and v2 of the Fuze are supported by Rockbox. It wasn't clear to me until I actually downloaded Rbutil. Thanks! |
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| 20:03:19 | kugel | dionoea: yes, that's not unusual |
| 20:03:42 | kugel | do a git pull afterwards to get rid of it |
| 20:03:53 | gevaerts | hm |
| 20:04:13 | kugel | the svn commits and git commits are counted slightly differently so git thinks you have work on your master that's not in upstream |
| 20:04:21 | gevaerts | flutterbudget: I was going to say I'd think it's clear enough, but then I thought about the fuze plus, which *isn't* supported... |
| 20:05:25 | * | gevaerts isn't sure how it should be phrased |
| 20:05:46 | gevaerts | The same goes for the e200 and the clip. We don't want to make that list *too* long |
| 20:06:44 | dionoea | kugel: ah ok. thanks. I thought that it was handled by git svn rebase :/ |
| 20:07:56 | flutterbudget | I think if you simply added (v1 and v2) after the listing of the Fuze, it'd be quite clear...and it doesn't seem to me to take up that much space. |
| 20:08:17 | pixelma | gevaerts: for the Fuze+ it could be similar to the c200v2 I think |
| 20:08:20 | gevaerts | Maybe, but we'd need to add that (v1 and v2) to three more places |
| 20:08:28 | gevaerts | On the same line |
| 20:08:43 | flutterbudget | Aaah. I see what you mean. |
| 20:09:42 | flutterbudget | Maybe instead (unless otherwise noted, all versions are supported) on a second line after the whole Sansisk bunch? |
| 20:09:45 | kugel | dionoea: git svn rebase only fetches new data from the svn repo, not any git remotes |
| 20:09:55 | * | gevaerts thinks |
| 20:10:24 | flutterbudget | I'm gonna have to leave now...but thanks for listening and such! Toodles! |
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| 20:14:42 | gevaerts | "Sansa c200 (not v2), e200 (v1 and v2) and e200R series, Fuze (v1 and v2, not +), Clip (v1 and v2) and Clip+" seems a bit long |
| 20:14:52 | gevaerts | And I'm not sure if the " |
| 20:15:00 | gevaerts | not +" stands out enough |
| 20:18:31 | pixelma | maybe (all) or (all, except ..)? |
| 20:19:20 | gevaerts | "Sansa c200 (not v2), e200 (all versions) and e200R series, Fuze (all versions except Fuze+), Clip (all versions) and Clip+"? |
| 20:19:53 | pixelma | looks a bit chaotic still |
| 20:20:09 | gevaerts | "Sandisk: lots of players, but not all" |
| 20:20:24 | gevaerts | That loses some precision |
| 20:20:26 | bluebroth3r | how about putting the subscript into an element title so it shows up when hovering on the line? |
| 20:20:38 | pixelma | not very obvious |
| 20:20:59 | bluebroth3r | use the acronym tag? |
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| 20:21:12 | pixelma | I think I wouldn't expect that I need to hover over something to get a complete list |
| 20:21:14 | bluebroth3r | that usually shows up as dotted underlined |
| 20:21:56 | gevaerts | Just"Sansa c200 v1 (not v2), e200 v1, e200 v2 and e200R series, Fuze v1, Fuze v2 (not Fuze+), Clip v1, Clip v2 and Clip+" |
| 20:22:28 | gevaerts | Instant doubling of the number of supported DAPs :) |
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| 20:23:12 | pixelma | gevaerts: Sansa - all versions except stated otherwise - c200 v1 (not v2), e200 and e200R series, Fuze (not Fuze+), Clip, Clip+ |
| 20:23:15 | pixelma | ? |
| 20:23:45 | gevaerts | I wonder if might read "all versions" in there as "all sansas" |
| 20:24:22 | pixelma | well, put at the end I was afraid some people wouldn't read all the way through |
| 20:24:24 | krazykit | seems like you'd have to mention "not the m series" as well |
| 20:25:01 | gevaerts | krazykit: And not the shake, and the connect, and the vision, ... |
| 20:25:06 | gevaerts | That would never end :) |
| 20:25:28 | pixelma | the Express... |
| 20:26:35 | bluebroth3r | pixelma: something like that? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/test.html |
| 20:26:54 | * | bluebroth3r missed the commas between the models |
| 20:27:00 | gevaerts | Hm, putting the "all versions except stated otherwise" at the end may seem to indicate that that's only about the clip+ |
| 20:27:35 | * | gevaerts still doesn't like mouseover-only detail |
| 20:27:36 | bluebroth3r | sure, that's not really obvious either, but it's more obvious than not stating it at all :) |
| 20:27:55 | * | bluebroth3r accepts gevaerts not liking it :D |
| 20:28:01 | gevaerts | Yay! :) |
| 20:28:24 | pixelma | gevaerts: "all of the following"? |
| 20:28:57 | bluebroth3r | "check Rockbox Utility for a complete list"? ;-) |
| 20:29:30 | gevaerts | Yes, we should just stop providing lists :) |
| 20:30:01 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: the delay for the info appearing on hover is way too large in my browser and system, I first though it wouldn't work at all |
| 20:30:21 | pixelma | and I don't like it for the above mentioned reasons |
| 20:30:50 | gevaerts | Let's provide a regular expression that matches all model names of supported sansas |
| 20:30:58 | bluebroth3r | yay! |
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| 20:31:49 | bluebroth3r | but if we list all devices we should also do that for the other players −− i.e. h120, ihp120, h140, ... |
| 20:32:24 | bluebroth3r | maybe also "h120 with RTC mod, ..." ;-) |
| 20:32:28 | gevaerts | no |
| 20:32:36 | gevaerts | We don't provide builds for that one :) |
| 20:32:53 | * | gevaerts likes iAudio |
| 20:33:13 | bluebroth3r | maybe just add a link to TargetStatus and update that page? |
| 20:33:18 | gevaerts | Not only Color Sound, but also short unambiguous model names |
| 20:33:35 | pixelma | like Meizu |
| 20:34:03 | bluebroth3r | "It runs on a wide range of players (detailed status):" |
| 20:34:09 | gevaerts | OK, you have to specify the brand :) |
| 20:34:24 | gevaerts | bluebroth3r: I'm not sure if that isn't a step backward |
| 20:34:46 | bluebroth3r | why? It just says that there is another list with more details |
| 20:35:17 | gevaerts | hm |
| 20:35:34 | gevaerts | How about "<li><b>SanDisk</b>: Sansa c200 v1 (not v2), e200 and e200R series, Fuze (not Fuze+), Clip and Clip+ (note: some sansa models come in several versions. Unless otherwise stated, all versions are supported)"? |
| 20:35:53 | gevaerts | Long, yes, but the list itself is still as concise as the current one |
| 20:36:17 | gevaerts | And I think it's unambiguous |
| 20:36:32 | pixelma | dionoea: the scrolling works now and I can set up a widget again |
| 20:37:23 | dionoea | cool |
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| 20:37:59 | pixelma | gevaerts: wouldn't it make more sense for a (v1 and v2) on the same line - without the extra note as I'm afraid some people won't read all through to the end - if you are already starting an extra list? |
| 20:38:14 | bluebroth3r | gevaerts: in that case we could also list all variants individually. Shouldn't be longer. |
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| 20:41:20 | gevaerts | The list itself is still reasonably short, so the people who understand the way it's there now will still get it, while those who are confused by the current list get a clarification. I wouldn't be surprised when if we fully expand the list people will go "Oh, that's a lot of sansas. I bet the Sansa X is in there" and stop reading |
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| 20:43:27 | Buschel | (except the guy who reported it, of course) |
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| 21:13:54 | kugel | gevaerts: we mention the clip |
| 21:14:09 | kugel | clip+ explicitely, why should the fuze+ be implied? |
| 21:15:25 | kugel | imo the current list is just fine |
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| 21:21:31 | gevaerts | kugel: because people have made that mistake in the past |
| 21:21:43 | gevaerts | I don't have a strong opinion on any of this |
| 21:22:13 | kugel | people will always make mistakes, no matter what list you present :) |
| 21:22:24 | kugel | most make the mistake of not even reading it |
| 21:22:28 | kugel | (or many) |
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| 22:30:33 | gbl08ma | hi everyone. Can somebody please explain me why the iPod Nano 1G has the A-B repeat option, while the nano 2G doesn't have it? |
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| 22:31:22 | gbl08ma | at least, the nano 1G simulator has this feature, and my real iPod Nano 2G doesn't. |
| 22:31:36 | Torne | because nobody has enabled it |
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| 22:33:34 | gbl08ma | are you sure it's just that? the manual for nano 2g says it has this a-b thing, see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano2g/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1150007.2 |
| 22:33:55 | gbl08ma | perhaps it's a mistake in the manual |
| 22:34:50 | Torne | not sure if that is conditional in the manual or not |
| 22:34:57 | Torne | but it's commented out in the ipodnano2g.h config |
| 22:35:06 | Torne | so it's not enabled in the code. |
| 22:35:14 | gbl08ma | hmmm... is there any technical reason for this? |
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| 22:36:00 | Torne | no idea, i'm afraid. not sure why it's conditional in the first place |
| 22:36:30 | gevaerts | Not all targets will have enough buttons? |
| 22:36:40 | gevaerts | That doesn't sound like the reason in this case though |
| 22:36:46 | gbl08ma | the ipod nano2g has the same buttons as the first nano |
| 22:37:24 | gbl08ma | (and as almost all the modern ipods Rockbox supports anyways) |
| 22:37:35 | Torne | it's enabled for all ipods except the 6g, nano2g, and 1-3g |
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| 22:40:58 | gbl08ma | Any idea why? |
| 22:41:09 | gbl08ma | If it was commented in the code... |
| 22:41:58 | gbl08ma | Is there any way to search on the text of the SVN commits log message? Since the very first commit? |
| 22:42:49 | gevaerts | svn log|grep? |
| 22:43:23 | gevaerts | That's very likely not the most efficient way to find what you want though |
| 22:44:36 | Torne | if you want to find out why it's commented you likely won't find it in the history |
| 22:44:42 | Torne | because it's probably been commented since the port was created |
| 22:44:58 | Torne | normally lots of features are turned off to start with while porting, then things are turned on later |
| 22:45:45 | gevaerts | Ah |
| 22:45:55 | gbl08ma | but the nano2g is already marked as stable, and apparently nobody remembered about the a-b repeat feature! |
| 22:46:08 | amiconn | The reason why it has been made optional is that back then the single-button mode of operation didn't exist yet, so only a few targets had enough buttons for A-B repeat |
| 22:46:12 | Torne | ah no it's from r26230 |
| 22:46:16 | gevaerts | It's because config/ipodnano2g.h was not derived from ipodnano1g.h, but from one of the meizus |
| 22:46:35 | gbl08ma | I guess there won't be a big problem if I try to uncomment these two defines and see what happens on the device, right? |
| 22:46:35 | Torne | er, not 26230 even |
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| 22:46:49 | Torne | 27483 |
| 22:46:53 | Torne | sorry my bzr revnos are out of sync |
| 22:47:21 | gevaerts | 27483 is a red herring |
| 22:47:28 | amiconn | It could probably be enabled unconditionally nowadays - needs checking |
| 22:48:10 | bluebroth3r | nice. $(CFLAGS) contains -Wall, and the gcc call also contains -Wall. Removing one of those "fixes" the segfault of gcc-4 on cygwin |
| 22:48:20 | amiconn | bluebroth3r: cygwin is in need of fixing the gcc mess anyway |
| 22:48:42 | bluebroth3r | amiconn: what did they do to gcc? |
| 22:48:49 | amiconn | Cygwin gcc3 builds native windows binaries when -mno-cygwin is used, but gcc4 doesn't |
| 22:49:26 | bluebroth3r | building convttf with -mno-cygwin fails for me |
| 22:49:27 | amiconn | It even tells so. If host gcc is gcc4 on cygwin, wen need to use a mingw gcc wherever we're using -mno-cygwin right now |
| 22:50:31 | bluebroth3r | that is with gcc-3. gcc-4 chokes on the double -Wall on the compiler command line :/ |
| 22:50:34 | amiconn | If convttf doesn't build with -mno-cygwin (on gcc3) this needs fixing - otherwise we cannot distribute a native windows version |
| 22:50:47 | CIA-2 | New commit by gevaerts (r29554): *really* don't automatically build convttf |
| 22:50:50 | kugel | Torne: perhaps TheSeven doesn't even know it exists :) |
| 22:51:11 | bluebroth3r | I wanted to get it compile using MinGW. It does work, but the binary creates broken files. |
| 22:51:46 | bluebroth3r | though I don't know if my freetype lib for MinGW cross compiling is broken or the code itself ... |
| 22:52:33 | TheSeven | kugel: seems like that |
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| 22:53:10 | TheSeven | i think it was linuxstb who originally forked the nano2g config, and i then forked that for the 6g |
| 22:54:14 | kugel | dionoea: I'm running 2.3 since a long time and I didn't need the .xml fixes |
| 22:54:16 | CIA-2 | r29554 build result: All green |
| 22:54:25 | sideral | Do we still have trouble accepting GPL3'd plugins? |
| 22:55:03 | sideral | Even if they don't use Rockbox-specific interfaces but only (say) POSIX interfaces? |
| 22:55:31 | kugel | if shipped separately gplv3 should work |
| 22:55:49 | gevaerts | sideral: we have no legal trouble accepting GPL3 plugins. It's a matter of whether we want the binaries to be v3 or not |
| 22:56:11 | gevaerts | I do suspect we'd want v3+ and not straight v3 if we ever do that |
| 22:56:17 | gevaerts | It's a bit interesting :) |
| 22:56:38 | sideral | In which regard?? |
| 22:57:50 | gevaerts | Well, we're rather pure GPLv2+ now (although IIRC there are one or two files that may be GPLv2nonplus). That's a simple situation :) |
| 22:58:06 | sideral | kugel: I don't think anyone will ever ship a binary plugin separately. It's impractical: The ABI is too unstable, and there are too many targets. |
| 22:58:14 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Thanks for r29554 - my intentions were good... |
| 22:58:50 | * | linuxstb wonders if tools/Makefile is still needed/used |
| 22:59:37 | gevaerts | linuxstb: having a directly usable makefile there can be useful I think, but it *probably* could be a very short one that mainly includes tools.make |
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| 23:00:25 | sideral | gevaerts: If we'd take a GPL3 app, then provide the POSIX or Linux interfaces it needs in pluginlib or some other glue code, do you think that would make that the glue code GPL3? |
| 23:00:54 | gevaerts | sideral: That depends |
| 23:02:17 | sideral | A wise reply :) |
| 23:02:28 | gevaerts | I'd say that if there is any GPLv3 code somewhere in rockbox, and if you download a binary, and then you ask for the source in accordance with the GPL, the source you get it all GPLv3. However, if you just download the source, it will be mostly GPLv2+ and bits of GPLv3. Note that this is just my interpretation, which I thought of just now :) |
| 23:03:03 | linuxstb | sideral: I think we simply don't want to go there. We've already rejected espeak for being GPL3, and there was lots of talk about workarounds which never got anywhere. |
| 23:03:42 | B4gder | gevaerts: I agree with that reading |
| 23:04:14 | gevaerts | Yay :) |
| 23:04:54 | gevaerts | It basically means that as long as we don't decide on a wholesale move to v3, any code we have remains v2 for all practical purposes |
| 23:05:06 | sideral | Well, if you ask for the source for a GPL3'd plugin that uses a "standard" interface that's implemented by other systems as well, you'd get the source for that plugin under GPL3 |
| 23:05:38 | sideral | no? |
| 23:06:19 | gevaerts | Yes and no, possibly |
| 23:06:36 | gevaerts | I don't think you can ask for the source of *part* of a binary distribution |
| 23:07:10 | gevaerts | And I don't think those interfaces are relevant at all for us |
| 23:07:24 | sideral | gevaerts: Hmm... I can ask for the source of some Fedora GPL3 program, and that wouldn't make all of Fedora GPL3 |
| 23:07:43 | sideral | likewise with Rockbox plugins, methinks |
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| 23:08:10 | gevaerts | sideral: I didn't mean "binary distribution" as in "linux distribution". Rockbox is really one program |
| 23:08:26 | gevaerts | It's not "mere aggregation" to use the GPL term |
| 23:08:49 | sideral | The interface question is relevant because if you program against a nonstandard interface, it can be argued that the implementation of that interface is a derivative work. Otherwise, you cannot. |
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| 23:09:18 | gevaerts | Yes, but whether or not something is a derivative work *doesn't matter* for us |
| 23:09:37 | gevaerts | All licenses in the rockbox source are compatible |
| 23:09:57 | gevaerts | (or they should be. If you find one that isn't, please file a bug) |
| 23:10:10 | kugel | gevaerts: except in one case :-) |
| 23:10:41 | sideral | gevaerts: Right now, you're correct. I'm just doing a thought experiment where we'd distribute a GPL3'd plugin |
| 23:10:45 | kugel | chip8 has actually an incompatible restriction |
| 23:11:00 | gevaerts | sideral: it's still the case if and when we have GPL3 code |
| 23:11:57 | gevaerts | It would matter (a bit) if someone asks for the source as allowed by the GPL, since that source (but *only* that source as sent to this person) would be v3, but since the source is available for download *anyway*, that person can get a bit-identical copy that still has the original licenses |
| 23:12:32 | sideral | gevaerts: That's right. But someone might want to license the rest of the code (or a subset thereof) under GPL2, and I'm arguing that still would be possible |
| 23:13:03 | gevaerts | sideral: why wouldn't that be possible? |
| 23:13:24 | gevaerts | If you download a source file that says it's GPLv2+, it's GPLv2+ |
| 23:13:49 | sideral | In case the Rockbox proper is interpreted as a derivative because it contains glue code to accommodate a GPL3 plugin |
| 23:13:52 | gevaerts | It's only when you build the thing and it happens to contain v3 code that the resulting binary is v3 |
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| 23:15:11 | gevaerts | Again, all of this *only* matters for binaries, and if you want to reuse part of our code you get the source, not the binaries |
| 23:15:16 | sideral | the source would not fall under v3 if it's considered derivative? |
| 23:15:25 | gevaerts | Why would it? |
| 23:15:45 | sideral | that was my interpretation of the GPL |
| 23:15:47 | gevaerts | The source would be v3 if it's obtained as a result of an "official" GPL source request |
| 23:16:06 | gevaerts | But then don't do that and just download the thing |
| 23:16:23 | sideral | if you distribute source or binary of a derivative work, the viral nature of the GPL kicks in |
| 23:16:38 | gevaerts | Please cite the relevant paragraph :) |
| 23:16:53 | sideral | Not today :) |
| 23:17:08 | sideral | (need to go offline for a few mins, be right back) |
| 23:18:47 | gevaerts | And defining "derivative work" as "linked statically and/or not using a standard interface" is really fancyful anyway |
| 23:19:51 | * | gevaerts stops discussing this. It's not interesting! |
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| 23:36:24 | sideral | gevaerts: No? I could go on and on ;) but I'll respectfully stop here as well |
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| 23:40:20 | bluebroth3r | ok, IĆ've now built a convttf with MinGW natively. Still produces broken files. Now to find a freetype based demo that is known to run to verify it's not a freetype issue |
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| 23:57:50 | bluebroth3r | hmm. Building the same test program for windows and linux has different results in the output of the binaries. Bad. |
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