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01:40:22[Saint]kugel: Just discovered something wrong in convttf.
01:40:50[Saint]addig ascent/descent adds to the total font height, instead of respecting the max font height param.
01:41:59[Saint]./convttf -p 12 -Ta -2 -Td -2 fontfile.ttf outputs a font that is 16px high, instead of 12.
01:42:44[Saint]ascent/descent is supposed to be added to the font without increasing the fonts total height.
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02:07:22[Saint]AlexP: I see you asked about committing the line spacing patch for RaaA.
02:07:41[Saint]IMO, this needs to be configurable, or optional...which might be difficult.
02:07:53[Saint]it looks balls on lower res screens.
02:09:15[Saint]the way it "hides" lines is also weird...if a singular pixel of the added space cannot be displayed in the UI viewport, it won't draw the whole line...which makes it look like some menus are cut off, or mising items, or don't extend any further than they actually do.
02:09:28[Saint]this "hiding" also seems to mess up the scroll bar.
02:10:21[Saint](if a singular pixel of the added area can't be displayed in the Ui viewport, the scrollbar ends at the last "fully" displayed line...making the scrollbar shorter than the list, which also looks weird.
02:10:39[Saint]I suspect kugel needs a highlight there too: ^
02:11:06[Saint]possibly JdGordon| idea.
02:13:32JdGordon|no point hilighting me... the patch isnt on flyspray so meh
02:13:58[Saint]just wondering if you know how it might be done....errr, "well"?
02:14:11[Saint]I'm not sure that's quite the right word, but it'll do.
02:14:53JdGordon|like i said, i havnt looked at the patch, but by the sounds of it I would be against it being commited seen as it sounds like a massive broken hack
02:15:38[Saint]I think it's just only been tested on "high" res devices, so suffered the same fate as the widget.
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02:16:10[Saint]I like the look of it, but I immediately uninstalled the .apk when I found out how it acted.
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02:21:40jpt9Hey. I think I've found an odd bug on Rockbox. Either that or I have an oddly-corrupted MP3...
02:21:56jpt9I'm running Rockbox 3.8 on my Sansa Clip, and if I play the first file from this album:
02:22:33jpt9At some point Rockbox freezes... sort of −− it still plays, but it doesn't update the display or respond to input. Holding down the power button for several seconds still turns the device off, of course.
02:25:40[Saint]only the first file, of that one album?
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02:26:29jpt9Well, I have tried the other ones in that album...
02:26:33jpt9And it's never done this before...
02:26:34[Saint]it might pay to check for wierd metadata tags, or excessively large embedded album art...and/or FS corruption.
02:28:13jpt925kb 400x400 album art...
02:28:26jpt93 embedded images...
02:28:41jpt9Is that weird?
02:29:10[Saint]that might do it...possibly, it's a clip right? there's no point in having embedded AA that's larger than the physical height of your DAP.
02:29:25jpt9And higher bit depth, too.
02:29:31jpt9(Yeah, I know, temporal dithering, etc.)
02:30:04[Saint]"very large" AA has been known to trip things up before, but I'm not aure what constitutes "very large".
02:30:05jpt9Also, thanks to the devs for catching up with the latest Clips. It's great knowing that if mine breaks, I can just buy a Clip+ and Rockbox it.
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02:30:46[Saint]s/AA/embedded AA/
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02:33:31JimmyJOn the plugin index, why is it that almost none of the plugins have a check for the Sansa Clip, despite working on it?
02:34:12[Saint]that's my guess.
02:34:16jpt9Just ran the Windows disk check. In the process, it wiped out my .rockbox folder...
02:34:21*jpt9 sighs... have to redo my WPS...
02:34:28[Saint]the wiki is a vast place, where things can be overlooked.
02:34:55[Saint]jpt9: well, at least you now know it was FS corruption...
02:35:15[Saint]bugger about no backups though.
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02:35:57[Saint]thankyou, though for pointing out the descrepency in the plugin index, I shall add that to my virtual ToDo list.
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02:50:05jpt9Anyone happen to know the screen res of the Clip?
02:50:38jpt9Never mind.
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02:59:38jpt9Okay... so it wasn't the album art. Also, it still responds to keypresses to wake up the screen.
03:01:01JdGordon|AA works on the clip?
03:01:15jpt9Yes. At least in PictureFlow.
03:08:26*jpt9 is going to grab the Ogg version of the album instead.
03:08:33jpt9With any luck, that won't freeze it.
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05:49:21[Saint]JdGordon1: the timeout for %Tl seems to always be ~2 seconds.
05:49:28[Saint]no matter the setting.
05:49:55[Saint]also...does the slider offset a bar by any value?
05:50:08[Saint]I have weird bar behaviour, and I can't explain why.
05:53:14[Saint]JdGordon1: the slider bar tag offsets the bar by the width of the slider image also.
05:53:27JdGordon1by half the width...
05:53:59[Saint]it seems to be the whole width...and, why does it do that? as it leaves a very ugly black box.
05:54:18JdGordon1by design we shifted it a bit
05:54:24JdGordon1show me example of suckage though
05:54:26[Saint]couldn't it just draw the full image at the start/end of the bar like "same" sliders?
05:54:52[Saint]suckage == "the offset is a hideous black box"
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05:56:04[Saint]I mean, couldn't the slider only be drawn in the bar area, and not extend past it?
05:57:18[Saint]I expected the x,y position of the bar to be exactly that...not offset by some magic number because I'm using a slider that behaves like no other slider I have ever seen.
05:58:34[Saint]using a block of transparency fixed the issue with the volume bar backdrop though, but that's no longer relevant anymore for the default theme as we won't be using it...I just thought it was worth a mention.
05:58:43JdGordon1what bar area?
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05:59:49[Saint]in the VP where the bar is drawn, the bar is offset by X, and the offset is completely black.
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06:02:18[Saint]hmmm...HotKey crashes RaaA on my target with "*PANIC* Stack Underflow... Viewportmanager"
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06:12:12[Saint]this whole "use the native volume" in RaaA thing has really messed me up.
06:12:17JdGordon1to the panic
06:14:09[Saint]I have *NO* idea what to do with the popup tab now...previously, I was using two of them, one for the menu popup, and one for the volume popup....curring it out totally messes up the symmetry I had going on there.
06:14:32JdGordon1why cut it?
06:14:53[Saint]because two volume popups would be weird?
06:15:20[Saint]using the native volume means we get the nice Android media volume popup, no?
06:15:50[Saint]or, are we doing it transparently?
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06:16:11[Saint]I had assumed the former, but...if the latter, it can stay.
06:18:12JdGordon1no idea, i havnt tried svn
06:18:32[Saint]Nor I since the volume changes started.
06:19:48[Saint]the keyboard leads me to believe that popping up the native volume window wouldn't be hard, so I assume that's what's going to happen. To better integrate RaaA to the Android OS.
06:20:21JdGordon1I wouldnt be so sure of that
06:20:26[Saint]which I don't mind, it's just a lot of work sorting out how to handle volume withthe default theme out the window.
06:20:42JdGordon1sure it might poppup if you actually press the hardware volume buttons, but not with the skin button
06:21:14[Saint]well, it basically has to be all or nothing IMO.
06:21:28[Saint]doing this halfway makes it worse than it was to begin with.
06:22:11[Saint]ie. if HW buttons pop up the media volume window, but the screen touch area "button" (if we even have one) does not...well, that just sucks.
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07:36:22kugel[Saint]: Androids volume pop up isn't shown currently and doesn't look it's going to be
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09:01:29[Saint]JdGordon|: barring the %Tl timeout, I have the volume and browser/context menu/quickscreen popups working nicely...but the conditional viewports are kicking my ass.
09:02:05[Saint]I'll port the changes (I was working on my phone) to the 480x800 version shortly, then it's skin var time.
09:02:23[Saint]I may/may not get the images I need finished tonight though.
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09:03:09[Saint]oh...and there's the issue of the slider looking crap.
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09:03:35[Saint]so I changed it to just a plain bar for now, but the images are still all there.
09:04:38kugel[Saint]: did you stop working on the icons?
09:05:49[Saint]not stopped, side-tracked I think you'd call it ;) bluebroth3r found a way to generate the bitmap strips needed with a script...but they need to be cleaned by hand.
09:06:00kugelI can send you some xcf files I used for cabbiev2 if you want
09:06:46[Saint]and some of them worked very well, others look terrible and need redoing...I'm trying to get the default theme sorted out presently.
09:06:52[Saint]sure: It couldn't hurt.
09:08:05[Saint]I have a nice popup volume slider working in my "cabbie" presently...but to get it working properly skin variables really need to be added so I can meet conditions that can't be met with %if or the current conditional tags.
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09:26:18JdGordWhat's the story with %Tl?
09:26:34[Saint]it seems to igone the timeout param
09:26:34JdGordIs it for all regions or just labeled/non-labeled?
09:26:44JdGordFile with more detail
09:26:58[Saint]will do, but I can't for a while.
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09:49:35JdGordWhy does the I have a 1 pixel border but i doesn't in this font?
09:50:06JdGordActually vlooks like all caps have a pixel border that lower doesn't have
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10:30:48pixelmadoes someone know why the needed Android SDK version was upped?
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10:39:41*[Saint] wonders who Maurus Cuelenaere is on IRC...
10:39:58[Saint]I suspect he knows why the version was bumped, as it was his commit.
10:41:37[Saint]pixelma: my guess is that it plays a role in the following commit "29562 uture-proof the RunForegroundManager code to Honeycomb"
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10:58:22CIA-2New commit by wodz (r29584): slightly modified FS #11531 by me: WM8750/51 driver rework
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11:04:51pixelmaglobal mods or forum admins - winw93451l wants a ban
11:06:21pixelma(AlexP, scorche, soap_ ?)
11:07:01wodzIs there a page describing how to use langtool? I don't want to sync all lang files to english.lang by hand
11:08:07n1swodz: adding strings to targets that previously didn't have them breaks the string/voice clip order for those targets so i think it's nice to mentio that in the commit message
11:09:40n1swodz: langtool has a built in usage help if you run it with no args, you want −−changetarget
11:09:52wodzn1s: Probably. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of this.
11:10:43wodzn1s: thx
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11:12:34n1si wonder if we should drop the whole string exclusion mechanism to make the order more stable at the price of some wasted space
11:13:53n1shmm, or maybe it could be improved at no cost if the ids don't need to be continual
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11:14:44pixelmathe string inclusion thing was explicitly added and saved quite a lot of space IIRC (langv2, you worked on it too)
11:15:04n1sif that would work, deprecated ids would not waste space either
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11:15:36n1spixelma: yes, although i think this system is too fragile and people don't know about it
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11:16:16amiconnIf something is changed that breaks order, version should be bumped
11:16:30amiconnThis is very similar to the plugin api
11:16:42pixelmaand I guess one other factor is quick access to the needed string (I can't tell though what difference another implementation would make)
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11:17:07n1si don't remember why the ids need to continual currently but if that restriction could be removed we could enable previously skipped id's and the voice clip would just be missing
11:17:48amiconnThe're accessed using an array
11:18:23n1samiconn: that is one way but we don't currently have such a version field, only a "format version" field or whatever (which i suggested we use for this at one point but that idea was sot down)
11:19:32n1s*and* people tend to not update such versions anyway
11:20:01amiconnEach unused clip or string included wastes several bytes (iirc 4 bytes for voice clips, 5 bytes for lang strings (8 on SH1 due to padding)) - and there are hundreds
11:22:06n1syes, with the current format, since the ids need to be continuus, but if we could have discontinuus ids in the lang and voice files this could be avoided but it was a long time since i looked at the code so it might not be possible
11:22:25n1s(btw see fs#8886 for the version field discussion)
11:23:08n1shmm, i
11:23:27n1s'm probably ovelooking something or the discuntinuus ids would already be used
11:24:24n1sit's just that this system is very fragile and i don't like it
11:27:23wodzwhere is the version thing I should bump?
11:28:28n1swodz: there isn't one
11:28:49CIA-2New commit by wodz (r29585): Update lang files to be inline with changes in r29584
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11:29:57pixelmawodz: you could have taken the chance to mention the voice file thing now... ;)
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11:30:48wodzpixelma: I thought mentioning lang update is enough :-/
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11:41:06n1sright, so to use discontinuus ids we would either need gaps in the lang strings table, to store the ids or to parse the lang and voice files at the same time
11:42:34n1shmm, i wonder if that could work when we don't load the complete voice file...
11:43:52n1sthis scheme would also need a version field of course but it wouldn't need to change so often
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13:25:51CIA-2New commit by zagor (r29586): Listen to and follow external Android volume changes. (Based on FS #11914 by Maurus Cuelenaere)
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15:21:37casainho hello
15:21:55casainhocan someone tell me what is the target with IMX233 ARM?
15:22:03casainhoI believe pamaury is working on it...
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15:23:44casainhoB4gder: thanks
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15:25:04casainhoB4gder: do you know if there is some code on SVN for it? I am looking for interrupt code, for kernel();
15:25:44casainhoB4gder: the only sources provided by FreeScale are for Linux and I don't know where to find there the interrupt code...
15:26:13B4gderI don't think we have any imx233-specific code yet, no
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15:41:02pixelmakugel: regarding albumart in the widget, I get the following messages in ADB on track change:
15:41:16pixelmaI/System.out( 1276): resolveUri failed on bad bitmap uri: file:///sdcard/rockbox/.temp_albumart_261.jpg (for embedded albumart) and
15:41:35pixelmaI/System.out( 1276): resolveUri failed on bad bitmap uri: file:///sdcard/music/folder.jpg (for a folder.jpg that is there)
15:44:48pixelmaa Rockbox logo as fallback is for no albumart is shown though (guess it is built-in) - if an image should be shown, the space stays empty
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15:55:07Zagorpixelma: it looks like a very common problem, possibly being 2.1/2.2 related
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15:56:49pixelmarunning 2.1, true
15:57:38mcuelenaerepixelma: the version bump wans't necessary per se, it just started out as a bump to r9 (which moved some tools to a different directory, hence the commit)
15:57:51Zagor^^^ contains a suggestion worth trying
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15:59:31pixelmaZagor: looks interesting, but I don't think I can do the necessary changes myself and I'm not able to build currently :\
16:00:36*B4gder makes Zagor aware of the rockbox-dev mail
16:01:14CIA-2New commit by zagor (r29587): Fixed a typo. (Thanks Jeff!)
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16:04:05pixelmamcuelenaere: I'd like to at least know these things in advance and I'm actually not sure what to think about it if it wasn't necessary yet
16:04:35mcuelenaerepixelma: I don't see how much trouble this is? It's just upgrading your local dev environment
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16:05:05Zagordoes maemo have a similar volume resolution issue as android?
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16:05:21mcuelenaerepixelma: the necessity of it is debatable, once we upgrade to r9 or higher android.make still needs to be changed
16:05:23pixelmaI don't have access to the setup of it myself, I am just allowed to build
16:05:34mcuelenaereyou can do an upgrade over CLI
16:05:37pamaurycasainho: there is no code in the svn yet, I've not started development
16:05:49pixelmamcuelenaere: no, it's not my system
16:05:58pixelmaII don't have the permissions
16:06:17mcuelenaereyou don't have permissions from the owner or you don't have permissions on the PC? this shouldn't require root permissions
16:06:26mcuelenaere(on Linux, that is)
16:06:27CIA-2r29587 build result: All green
16:07:12pixelmaand we don't up necessary gcc versions just like that either
16:07:14mcuelenaerealso, the build server should really start to build the android port
16:07:47mcuelenaerepixelma: do you want me to revert the change?
16:07:57casainhopamaury: do you know were we can find examples code for imx233? I am looking for interrupt example code...
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16:08:52mcuelenaerealso, that change was reviewed by kugel and approved (not sure if that's a valid point)
16:08:56pixelmamcuelenaere: I don't know... guess as long as it seems to be just me who doesn't like it (or the way it was done), then probably not
16:09:18pamaurycasainho: no idea, I there is a linux "port" for imx233 so you can have a look at it, it's probably in the arm/mach/ subfolders
16:09:25pamaury* I think
16:09:27mcuelenaerepixelma: can't you setup a local build?
16:10:15gevaertsmcuelenaere, pixelma: was the change announced on the mailing list?
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16:10:43casainhopamaury: I were looking at Linux sources already... it is difficult for me to understand... we need from there the SDCard drivers!
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16:11:33pixelmagevaerts: I didn't see it (putting it carefully as it was a change on Saturday on which I didn't have much time to follow it)
16:11:40pamauryyou can always rewrite it, and you'll need to partially do it because linux drivers are too complicated for what rockbox needs, and too bloated too :)
16:12:12mcuelenaeregevaerts: no, it wasn't
16:12:25gevaertsThat probably should be done
16:13:00Zagormcuelenaere: I think that's probably the thing that should be improved. just let everyone know that they need to upgrade the sdk before being able to build next time.
16:13:59mcuelenaereok, I'll send out a mail to rockbox-dev
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16:24:58pamaurycasainho: in the linux source, I think you'll find some code in arch/arm/mach-stmp3xxx/
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16:25:48sideralpamaury, jhMikeS: The infamous transient Clip filesystem corruption over USB bug is back. I had one recent occurrence with r29506 on my ClipV2 and a few occurrences with r29583 on a Clip+ I had available for testing for a day
16:25:48sideraljhMikeS' commit r29492 could be a possible candidate for having reintroduced this problem
16:27:22sideralI found no other change fiddling with the AMSv2 USB driver
16:27:25pamaurysideral: this commit was supposed to not change anything
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16:27:56pamauryor else there is still some concurrency problem somwhere
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16:28:28sideralpamaury: maybe the underlying semaphore mechanism has a problem? Sounds unlikely though...
16:29:51sideralright now I can't reproduce this reliably. When I can, I'll try bisecting the change history
16:33:42sideralpamaury: BTW, using an extended version of your log-open-files patch, I still haven't found a single case of a file accidentally left open _for writing_
16:34:20pamauryso filesystem corruption cannot occur due to this
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16:35:29pamauryare there still filesystem corruption cases ?
16:36:55sideralIn short, no. I've had some, but I think these were cases where the host wrote out stuff that already was corrupted during the USB read
16:37:42sideralBut I observed file-handle leakage due to current audio file + font not having been closed on USB connect
16:38:26sideralthis happens when connecting / disconnecting multiple times when the DB is committing and thus not responding to the USB events for a while
16:38:37pamauryeven if left open files don't corrupt the disk they are a problem due to the file handle being possibly invalid after usb disconnect
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16:39:28sideralthe handles aren't touched again AFAICT (font + audio files are reopened with new handles), but they leak a handle slot
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16:42:22TheSevenJdGordon|: any chance a somewhat recent change could overwrite current_vp, triggering a data abort in clear_pixel?
16:42:58TheSeventhe value of current_vp seems to be completely garbage, but always the same
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16:46:18TheSevenJdGordon|: nevermind, it isn't current_vp, but rather a pointer to it (in a local constant pool) that gets trashed
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18:12:52TheSevenok, further analysis suggests that said data abort seems to only occur with unicode languages
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18:13:06TheSeven(japanese, korean, ...)
18:14:21bertrikTheSeven, I didn't follow the discussion, but I guess unicode languages experience buffer overflow much more easily because the unicode takes more space
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19:05:37jhMikeSsideral: if r29492 caused a regression then there's a bug for all targets most likely
19:06:37sideraljhMikeS: possibly, but it sounds unlikely. Do you have any other idea on what might have reintroduced the issue?
19:07:21sideralr29492 was just a guess because it touches the AMSv2 USB driver in a nontrivial way
19:08:03sideraland because it addresses an area that was known to cause the problem before (synchronization)
19:10:14sideraljhMikeS: BTW & unrelated, I found another person who has trouble with the r29169 SD driver changes: See FS #11965
19:10:55jhMikeSfunctionally r29492 is utterly equivalent, assuming nothing wrong with the sem implementation. I'm giving that another look just to be sure.
19:12:04jhMikeSsideral: is that SD stuff something sporadic? btw, did you try upping those counts to see what it takes to make it function again?
19:12:32jhMikeSwhat I meant was: all clip+ or just some particular units?
19:12:45sideralThe SD problem was highly reproducible, not sporadic. No, I didn't have time yet to dive into this with any depth.
19:13:20sideralDon't know whether it's specific to my ClipV2.
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19:13:36sideralIt may depend on the SD storage medium that's put into the device
19:14:01sideralby the manufacturer or (on devices with an SD slot) by the user
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19:15:26sideralFS #11965 was about an external SD on a FuzeV2
19:15:57sideralor was it? Checking...
19:16:04jhMikeSI recall at the time with e200, JdGordon had an SD card that needed unusually long delay before using it, so yeah, they can vary.
19:16:26sideralNo, FS #11965 is about the internal SD of a FuzeV2
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19:18:07jhMikeSmight be nice to know if it's a variant thing. mine's a variant 0.
19:19:10sideralYou could ask the FS #11965 OP
19:19:15tumaany android users around? Have anyone found similar behaviour as I in
19:19:36sideraljhMikeS: The r29169 changes don't look very variant-dependent
19:23:10jhMikeSThey're not but why the need for the infinite loop? v1 doesn't have it. I try my v2 fuze with code like the v1 and all is fine.
19:23:17sideraljhMikeS: Re delays... There's also FS #11870, in which user report success with a simple workaround patch that introduces a delay in the AMSv2 SD driver
19:24:18sideraljhMikeS: Perhaps it just needs a few more retries / longer delays. Very probably not an infinite loop, or otherwise it wouldn't ever work :)
19:24:30jhMikeSmoving too quickly on init can be a problem, yes
19:24:57sideralI seem to remember from earlier IRC discussions that Rockbox's implementation of SD wasn't quite complete?
19:25:17jhMikeSthe problem on v1 was that in wait_for_tran_state, the first would succeed but it would get stuck forever failing just before doing DMA
19:26:54sideralOne curious observation I made with r29169 was that reading sectors with high sector counts was more likely to fail
19:26:57jhMikeSperhaps. I haven't gotten too deep myself actually. One thing is, both v1 has the same bug as far as inititializing a card when USB is connected.
19:27:09sideralHow much memory does your FuzeV2 have?
19:27:35sideralmy failing ClipV2 has 8 GB
19:27:36jhMikeSI noticed bank switching isn't implemented
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19:28:35sideralNever heard of bank switching in the context of SD. Care to explain or point me somewhere to read up?
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19:30:25jhMikeSif it's not SDHC, then yes you need to bank switch. the pp and v1 drivers do it.
19:30:30saratogaon amsv1 the sd is implemented a bunch of 2GB SD-not HC banks
19:35:10sideralI see. But w/o r29169 it just works, so that doesn't seem to be the issue
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19:36:40saratogapresumably they updated the AMSv2 chips with SDHC support
19:37:54sideralyeah −− as evidenced by their support of SDHC cards (Clip+, FuzeV2)
19:38:23saratogathats not the same thing
19:38:40saratogathey had an SDHC driver on AMSv1 too, but the underlying SD bridge chip was still plain SD
19:38:53sideralI see
19:39:38sideralstill, why would high-numbered sectors fail with higher likelihood when retrying less? sounds like a weird timeout problem
19:39:51AlexPsideral: Incidentally, have you seen the various database bugs in 3.8 reports/on forum?
19:39:59AlexPIt is something since 3.7.1
19:40:35jhMikeSsideral: what's interesting is that it's not limited to USB
19:40:39sideralAlexP: No, I haven't. I don't follow the forums as much :( But I have helped two people with DB problems here, and in each case it wasn't the DB that was at fault
19:41:08AlexPthere have been quite a few reports of it failing, and working fine on 3.7.1
19:41:13sideralAlexP: In each case, an unrelated problem that made the DB crash
19:41:46sideralAlexP: The DB is the 1st thing to do some nontrivial computation after boot, so I guess it typically fails first if something's wrong
19:42:10AlexP,27339.0.html for instance
19:42:48AlexPah, I see you have seen the bug report linked from there
19:43:03AlexPSo anyway, I guess all the reports from the forums are this same bug
19:43:05sideralIn the two cases I've been handholding here, one was the PP ATA DMA problem, and the other was the r29169 change we're discussing right now. In each case, the DB crashed during commit
19:43:57sideralAlexP: I would follow the forum if it was exported via NNTP :)
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19:44:09sideralor mailing list
19:44:49sideraljhMikeS: right, the SD problem is not USB-specific. I just triggered it with an fsck run on the host, via USB
19:46:15sideralAlexP: The DB is better than its reputation ;)
19:46:17alexbobpanybody know how large of an SD card the sansa clip+ can take?
19:46:19jhMikeSsounding more and more like timing is an issue :\
19:46:31AlexPsideral: Hmmm :)
19:47:17sideralalexbobp: I've heard people report success with 32 GB
19:47:32jhMikeSit's like Chuck Norris?
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19:47:58sideraljhMikeS: in which way?
19:48:09jhMikeSbetter than its reputation :)
19:48:15sideralah :)
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19:52:15saratogasideral: is the SD issue expected to be specific to newer devices?
19:52:23saratogai haven't been able to reproduce any disk trouble at all
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19:53:23sideralsaratoga: I have no good idea, but as it affects my ClipV2 (which is older than the Clip+), I'd say No
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20:26:41*[Saint] finds "rocklock" due to a forum post and has a play.
20:27:12[Saint]'d be really nice to not only launch it with autorock, but also on idle timeout...if I can get that working, I'll be pretty pleased with myself.
20:27:59[Saint]it seems it could easily be subverted by anyone with a clue about rockbox, though.
20:28:24[Saint]I guess the idea is to protect against those without a clue. ;)
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21:13:33tumakugel_: have you noticed my android bug ( )
21:14:19tumaI am wondering if anyone else caught this bug.
21:16:31[Saint]tuma: I believe this is a known problem, it should have been resolved iiuc though.
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21:18:10pixelmatuma: is it really that playback doesn't start or "only" that you don't hear anything (maybe playing time and progress bar doesn't move either, not sure about that)?
21:18:29[Saint]Zagor: <−− 14~30ox DroidSans/-Bold.ttf converted to .fnt
21:18:50tumapixelma, playback is not advancing
21:18:54[Saint]Zagor: Please let me know if you need a larger size, this was all I had time for lasty night.
21:19:09pixelmatuma: but the WPS is shown, right?
21:19:58tumapixelma, yes
21:20:46pixelmaI guess that's the same thing I see too
21:21:21Zagor[Saint]: oh, yes I do. 30px is too small.
21:22:25[Saint]Zagor: I suspected so, how large exactly?
21:22:43ZagorI don't know, 40-50 perhaps
21:23:05[Saint]I will convert sizes 30 through 50 presently, and then ping you when I'm done.
21:23:20tumapixelma, is there any workaround, fix suggestion/anything?
21:23:38Zagortuma: how old is your build?
21:23:59tumazagor, not old.. from last friday
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21:27:58Zagortuma: how many different mp3 files have you tried with?
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21:28:27Zagorif it's a problem with the tag reading code, files encoded by different programs might differ
21:28:29pixelmait's not specific to certain files
21:28:35tumaZagor: I tried mostly SPX and OGG files, several of them
21:28:36pixelmain my case
21:28:53pixelmait's just that audio stops working out of the blue
21:29:06Zagorstops, or does not start?
21:29:45Zagorthe bug report says they never start
21:29:47pixelmamaybe doesn't start as I usually see it after manual track skips
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21:31:57tumazagor: I have faced both. stopping suddenly and not even starting
21:32:25tuma(today I faced sudden stopping, that's why there is nothing about that in bug report)
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21:38:05Zagortuma: any chance you can supply a short sample file that triggers this?
21:38:27ZagorI have a 1.6 and a 2.3 phone and neither show this problem
21:39:27tumaZagor: I can supply a file, but to me it seems that any file causes this.. wait a moment.
21:40:01Zagortuma: yes, it's just a precaution to avoid chasing the wrong bug.
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21:45:06pixelmaZagor: that was the only thing I noticed so far when playing around with adb logcat - - but I couldn't reproduce today when I wanted to repeat the experiment
21:45:43pixelmaI believe bluebroth3r reported that problem too with some stock Android version and vanishing with cyanogenmod
21:45:58Don_FerroSorry to bother you guys but are some players better with rockbox than others?
21:47:18Zagorpixelma: I see that too, but don't have any problems
21:48:15pixelmaok, have to try again then. Maybe I was missing something
21:48:25jhMikeSDon_Ferro: some objectively so, others it depends on your priorities I guess
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21:49:43Zagor"AudioHardwareInterface serves as the glue between proprietary audio drivers and the Android AudioFlinger service."
21:49:53Don_FerroSo bassically it depends on the features I am looking for?
21:50:10Zagorso the message might just mean the driver was being slow
21:50:51n1sTheSeven: i got rockbox installed and working now via booting a rockbox image in the dfu bootstrap thing but usb is still not working (ipod seems to lock up when connecting usb in rockbox now)
21:50:52jhMikeSDon_Ferro: more or less, so long as the port is mature enough it depends on the hardware capabilities
21:51:15bluebroth3rpixelma: yes, this sounds pretty much like the issue I was experiencing
21:51:19n1susb after a reboot that is, it works fine when started from the dfu thing
21:51:56TheSevenso that's the same problem that the other guy had...
21:52:19TheSevenand i have absolutely no clue what's going on
21:53:31n1sthe vcore is the same as OF in the new iloader?
21:54:00TheSevenno, but I doubt that this is the cause
21:54:11n1sis it easy to test?
21:54:19TheSevenwell, it needs recompiling
21:54:20Don_FerroHow well does the clip+ work on it? I need something to play MP3s/OGGs/FLACs in my car since my fuze broke.
21:54:59n1sTheSeven: could it be set inside rockbox as a test?
21:55:08TheSevenin theory, yes
21:55:17TheSevenyou just need to write to an i2c device
21:55:36jhMikeSthe beast seems it could have a hw bug in the charger, just yesterday I booted with it plugged and the charge current was _way_ over what it should be for the vbatt yet the register setting were correct. In a few minutes the charging code detect a problem and errored.
21:56:02TheSevenotherwise, look for pmu_init in emcore/trunk/target/ipodnano3g/pmu/pmu.c and comment the i2c writes for Vcore and Vmem
21:56:36TheSeventhen, if you never did that before, do a "make" in tools/ucl and tools/elf2emcoreapp
21:56:52TheSevenafter that, cd to apps/installer-ipodclassic
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21:57:00n1sTheSeven: ok, i don't even have a checkout of that stuff yet
21:57:03TheSevenrun the following:
21:57:11salty-horseBuschel, thanks for the mp3 parsing work :)
21:57:24tumaZagor, that's the example spx file
21:57:33TheSeven../../tools/ucl2e10singleblk <path_to_rockbox.ipod> flashfiles/rockbox.ipod.ucl
21:57:37TheSevenmake flashfiles
21:57:39Buschelsalty-horse: thanks, but it's not finished yet :)
21:57:58TheSevenduring the "make flashfiles", you need to have an ipod connected, running emcore (for example the boot menu)
21:58:16TheSevener, for the classic that's during "make", not "make flashfiles"
21:58:42TheSevenafter that process, you should find a file called apps/installer-ipodclassic/build/installer-ipodclassic.ubi
21:59:45Don_FerroOh and another question, is rockbox based on linux/bsd? Just wondering for curiosity's sake.
22:00:03TheSevenit has its own kernel that was written from scratch
22:01:33Don_Ferrook cool.
22:02:39bluebroth3rhmm. What does happen if TTSSapi::voice() is called from two different threads?
22:02:48bluebroth3rdomonoky: ping
22:03:46bluebroth3rdomonoky: I'm trying to understand the multicore TTS issue. TTSSapi::voice() looks quite suspicious to me.
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22:04:34bluebroth3rI'm considering to rewrite the voicing part: decide how many cores to use, then create that number of threads. Use a function that does both voicing and encoding in the same run.
22:05:24bluebroth3rby splitting up into multiple lists before starting the processsing we shouldn't need any synchronization. I'm assuming that voicing each string takes the same amount of time (which is obviously not true, but shouldn't be too much of either)
22:05:31n1sTheSeven: the elf2emcoreapp configure complains about missing bfd.h but tells me i shouldn't use the system header so what should i use?
22:05:47bluebroth3ralso, create a separate TTS and encoder object for each thread instead of sharing one.
22:05:53TheSevenoh, forgot about that one
22:05:59bluebroth3rdo you see a problem with creating multiple TTS objects?
22:06:02TheSevenyou need to steal that from's build process
22:06:05TheSeventhat's a bit nasty
22:06:14TheSevensee the README for the exact configure command
22:06:21ZagorI just got the bug, and log message "W/AudioTrack(25741): obtainBuffer() track 0x29c4c8 disabled, restarting" repeating
22:06:40TheSevenyou need bfd.h and libbfd.a from the binutils build_dir
22:06:42domonokybluebroth3r: its very likly that it will fail if it is called concurrently... but TTSSapi doesnt give the RunInParallel flag in capabilites.. so it should be called single-threaded..
22:07:14jhMikeSthe "pre-forked" approach? guess you'd need that if the TTS can't handle it.
22:07:25n1sTheSeven: aha
22:07:50bluebroth3rwell, looking at Process Explorer clearly shows that both cores are maxed out. The only explanation I have for that is that QtConcurrent is creating multiple threads.
22:08:10domonokybluebroth3r: i am not sure if all TTS system can cope with creating multiple TTS objects..
22:08:29ZagorI'm unable to trigger it again though
22:08:29domonokybluebroth3r: well that means the limiting somehow doesnt work ?
22:09:02bluebroth3rdomonoky: looks so to me at least.
22:09:40domonokyit should set the maxThreadCount to 1 ẃith TTSSapi voices..
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22:10:31bluebroth3rthough interestingly then printing the thread ID in the processing function it always show the same id.
22:10:35domonokythe rbutil system log should have a line saying how many threads are used..
22:10:41n1shmm, i'll do this tomorrow
22:10:41bluebroth3rmaxThreadCount is set to 1 :/
22:11:14bluebroth3rmy local copy has such a line :)
22:11:29domonokyits probably using the main-thread and one worker thread... the main-thread uses all idle-time on one cpu in the while loop (with processEvents)
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22:11:37wodzjhMikeS: ping
22:11:50bluebroth3rquite possible.
22:12:10bluebroth3rurgh, segfault when running it with external espeak in the debugger :(
22:12:36jhMikeSwodz: pong
22:13:05tumazagor did you try the file?
22:13:16Zagortuma: yes, it works. but it's full of gibberish ;-)
22:14:09domonokybut feel free to try to improve the voicing system, just be carefull with all those different voice engines :-)
22:14:14wodzjhMikeS: in wm8978 driver there is attenuation at dac level due to 3d function but there is no gain raise at output stage - is it intentional?
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22:14:46bluebroth3rdomonoky: I think fixing the TTS issue would be a good thing :)
22:15:30domonokybluebroth3r: yes it would be a good thing. I just dont have any time to help with it.
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22:15:34tumazagor, so the conclusion is? I am the only one facing this bug?
22:15:39bluebroth3rtoo bad :(
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22:16:06Zagortuma: no, it appears others get it. I got something like it a few minutes ago, but I can't repeat it
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22:16:48jhMikeSwodz: yes, it would clip if I didn't do that, so I picked the attenuation to what sounded like to me a constant volume regardless of the setting
22:16:54tumaso the difference is that I get it very often as some other people like you get it less often
22:18:48tumabefore moving from eclair to froyo I don't remember ever having this problem
22:19:09jhMikeSwodz: Does the wm8751 clip if 3d is turned way up?
22:19:25wodzjhMikeS: yes
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22:29:03pixelmatuma: I'm running 2.1 and see it quite often too, considering the time I actually use Rockbox on the phone
22:29:20*Buschel needs some testers for FS #12007
22:32:24jhMikeSBuschel: I have some VBR files that report as 3-4 times too long as well
22:32:31pixelmaBuschel: I saw one odditiy with MP3 tag parsing on my Ondio - the title tag wasn't read (my WPS fell back to the "missing title tag" line) on files that had itunes gapless tags (which hwcodec probybly couldn't deal with correctly anyway). I know it's possible the parsing goes different ways than on swcodec and only ask if you have an idea because you started looking into metadata recently
22:33:27BuscheljhMikeS: is this an effect of the patch or is it happening with plain svn?
22:33:50jhMikeSplain SVN
22:34:06jhMikeSmight this address that too?
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22:34:16Buschelpixelma: might be hard to figure out...
22:35:18BuscheljhMikeS: depends... if this is an effect of a vbr file w/o vbr-header the patch will not fix it
22:35:28jhMikeSI'm guessing it might be underestimating the actual bitrate
22:35:48jhMikeSThey were encoded on the same encoder as all my other stuff
22:36:26BuscheljhMikeS: yes. just check the patch with your file and file a (new) bug report if it is not fixed.
22:37:41jhMikeSI'll try it out. Just have to patch and build.
22:39:40jhMikeSIf I did somehow end up without the headers, I have no clue how that happened
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22:40:55jhMikeSI get failed hunks in mp3data.c
22:41:15Buschelyou patch against current svn?
22:41:37jhMikeShold, on...maybe not :D
22:41:44BuschelI submitted two changes yesterday as preparation
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22:46:02jhMikeSheh, that one checkout was way farther behind than I thought
22:49:23Buschelpixelma: can you check the v07 patch in FS #12007 on your Ondio as well? It does some changes to mpeg.c
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22:49:53Buschel(which is only compiled for !SW_CODEC)
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22:58:29Zagorit looks like the obtainBuffer log message is caused by pcm buffer underrun
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23:09:31Buschelgotta get some sleep now. jhMikeS, pixelma: just leave me a message in the logs if you have any observations or remarks regarding FS #12007
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23:13:25[Saint]Zagor: JdGordon|: pixelma: kugel_: and anyone else that wants it: <−− Anti Aliased font pack, 14-50px (in 2px increments (14-16-18...etc.)), 'DroidSans/-Bold.ttf'.
23:17:07[Saint]Zagor: Can you let me know if any of those fonts look particularly crappy for some reason so I can fix it please?
23:17:14wodzjhMikeS: how does 3d setting is shown on beast? 0-100% or 0-15 ?
23:17:34jhMikeSwodz: 0-100%
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23:18:38wodzhmm, I can't figure out where the conversion takes place
23:19:11jhMikeSin sound_val2phys
23:19:27wodzyes, but where it is called
23:19:43jhMikeSin the menu api somewhere
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23:20:34jhMikeSthe setting function, rather (forgot what it's called)
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23:23:48Zagor[Saint]: they look ok. not perfect kerning, of course, but ok.
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23:24:32[Saint]Zagor: Is the spacing between characters ok?
23:24:44[Saint]that's my major concern.
23:24:55ZagorI'd say it's as good as can be expected without kerning
23:25:03wodzjhMikeS: Why the code duplication in sound_val2phys - one is defined in wm8978 the second in sound.c. Only one is compiled but both have cases for this codec
23:27:30jhMikeSwodz: that one handles the sim because the actual audio driver isn't compiled for a sim (yes, it's a been a bit of a mess for awhile).
23:29:19[Saint]Zagor: Ok, thanks. Good to know. I had to adjust the command line options for each individual font, both to adjust ascent/descent and to adjust the character spacing. The default for convttf is to use no character spacing at all, which makes things *very* hard to read.
23:29:44wodzjhMikeS: it is extremely hard to follow in current form :/
23:29:44Zagorthat's a rather odd default
23:30:12[Saint]well...I guess there's no way of knowing how much spacing to apply.
23:30:38Zagorno, but 1 pixel seems a saner default than 0
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