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05:03:07LeifI was looking at the ARM Emulator GSoC proposal. I've only taken a few classes on computer architecture, organization, and digital logic, but I do feel like this is an awesome project.
05:05:12LeifI haven't looked much into the rockbox source code yet, but am downloading the repo as we speak. I noticed that your GSoC application form is still tentative, is there anything special I should do to show you that I'm interested in the project (other than just fixing some bugs etc, which I will be doing in the next few days?)
05:05:16LeifThank you.
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05:26:50[Saint]Leif: It probably wouldn't hurt to send a mail to the mailing list.
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05:30:22Leif[Saint], Okay, thanks.
05:30:38Jeshikahhi there. i have a funny lil problem with winvista and my rockbox player. i tried to connect it, but comp is suddenly wanting a driver installation, even though i've connected it before.
05:31:32Jeshikahi'd rather not try connecting via the OF because the of cannot see music put under both, msc and mtp mode, but rockbox can
05:32:11Jeshikahwhere do i get "drivers" to satisfy windows, so i can connect my device properly?
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10:59:35CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29614): FS #12016 - Update Chinese Translation by Purling Nayuki
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11:03:31CIA-2r29614 build result: All green
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11:14:14CIA-2New commit by nls (r29615): FS #12014 by Huan Zhang fixing some link errors with a recent mips toolchain.
11:15:21CIA-2New commit by nls (r29616): Forgot CREDITS in the prev commit.
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12:25:09pirokoStupid sansa clip. Always has to take 8 years to refresh my media before I can reboot to rockbox :P
12:26:12u42pyou can hold power for a while to force it off
12:27:25pirokou42p: Holy crap you're a lifesaver. I never tried holding it that long
12:27:29pirokoThank you
12:27:32u42p:)
12:27:54u42pmy clip+ hangs when "refreshing" so i luckily i was told about that some day
12:28:21pirokoYeah, definitely. Mine was stuck for 10 minutes just now
12:28:32pirokoI find it hilarious that we can play gameboy games on it
12:28:49bertrikOn my sansa clip+, I put nearly all of my music files on the uSD card and remove the uSD when doing anything with the original firmware. This way it's done quickly only refreshing the few songs from the internal memory.
12:29:02pirokoThat's a good idea
12:29:27pirokoYou guys ever run into this bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11655 ?
12:29:35pirokoJust curious how prevalent it is
12:29:50u42plet's try
12:30:09pirokoIt doesn't always do it. It's about 75/25 for me
12:31:32u42pyes, crashed right away for me. something was playing, i select the first thing that came to mind and "playlist" -> "insert": abort is at 3001A580, address is 0xB0161AA4. the rest is the same. sansa clip+ with rockbox 3.8
12:31:54pirokoYup. Ok cool
12:31:56pirokoThanks for testing :)
12:32:19bertrikI think this is a generic bug
12:32:20u42pwoah, pressed power, it restarted, selected a new thing from the database and tried to make it play (not doing anything wth the middle button) and it crashed again (different addresses)
12:32:21pirokoI was more concerned that I had sd card corruption or something
12:32:36pirokou42p: O_o Oh crap. lol
12:32:56pirokou42p: The playlist control file gets corrupted I believe. Try again maybe? :D
12:33:15u42pheh, all is fine
12:33:28u42pnext try i could add 3-4 things to the playlist until it crashed
12:33:38u42pwell, i never use that function normally
12:33:58pirokoI only started using it recently. Ripped a few of my CDs and wanted to listen to them in order
12:37:13bertrikI can't reproduce it on my clip with r29576 (about a week old)
12:38:23pirokoHmm. Maybe I should upgrade
12:39:00u42pmine is ~2 weeks old
12:39:29u42p28154 i think
12:42:20pirokoNope, latest svn still crashes for me
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12:50:42CIA-2r29617 build result: All green
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13:00:34aclonedsheephey, should i put rockbox on the sansa clip+ I just got? I dont know why im asking, if theres custom firmware im due to try it :b
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13:20:51moontanhi! for the first time i installed rockbox on an ipod but the bootloader tells me rockbox.ipod can't be found. hardware: ipod 5.5g 80gb. it's fat32-formatted (sector size 2048) and installation process in rockbox utility finished without errors. unfortunately none of the forum threads seems to have solved the problem. has anyone had the same problem and maybe solved it?
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13:33:15u42paclonedsheep: i think rockbox beats the original firmware any time
13:33:31u42pi especially liked the bookmarks and useful scrolling/skipping speed
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13:57:24moontandid anyone successfully install rockbox on an ipod 5.5 80gb? because i didn't manage.
13:58:01moontanit's fat32-formatted and rockbox utility stated no errors.
13:58:41Torneis the .rockbox directory there?
13:58:49moontanbootloader says it cannot load rockbox.ipod but it's in the right place.
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14:00:44Tornecheck the filesystem.
14:00:52moontanit's in the .rockbox folder in the root
14:01:16moontanyou mean whether its fat32?
14:01:27moontanhow do i check that in an osx terminal?
14:01:57moontani formatted the ipod's disk before installation using newfs_msdos.
14:02:26Torneit was hfs before?
14:02:41moontanyes
14:02:42Torneyou cant convert it just by formatting
14:02:53Torneythe partition table is different
14:03:07Tornerestore it with itunes for windows
14:03:12moontani know. i used dd to place the mbr from the rockbox site before installation too
14:03:37moontani don't have access to a windows machine right now.
14:03:47Tornethe manual restore process is dubious
14:04:13Tornedid you do exactly what it said?
14:04:23moontanyes precisely
14:04:28Torneit expects you to use mtools, no?
14:07:06Torneyes, it's not okay to use newfs-msdos for the 80gb drive
14:07:34Torneit needs to be formatted wirh a specific sector size, see the 5.5g instructions at the bottom
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14:08:14moontanwell, yes and no. it is claimed that with the ipod 5.5 80gb using newfs_msdos with the -S 2048 switch is safer than using mtools, if i'm not terribly mistaken
14:08:32moontanyeah sector size 2048
14:08:41Torneanyway none of the manual restore instructions are particularly reliable
14:08:47Torneubfortunately
14:08:53Torneuse itunes.
14:09:25Tornethere are too many things thay can be wrong thanks to the broken logic in the 80gb disk
14:09:55moontanhmm. okay, i'll ask my neighbour if i can descend on her win machine for a sec. after restoring the ipod with windows-itunes do you think i can finish the installation on my mac?
14:10:10Torneyes
14:10:31moontanalright, i'll give it a shot. thx for your advice.
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15:05:47fareedhello there
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15:10:04fareedhi is anyone here?
15:10:47gevaertsYes
15:10:52trtr3434hello I would like to know the mentor for Standalone playback core/library?
15:11:01trtr3434who should I contact?
15:11:12gevaertsfareed: it's a good idea to just ask whichever question you have
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15:12:16fareedi want to ask about gsoc task mentor
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15:13:28fareedi am new to this program
15:14:29gevaertstrtr3434: I'd say probably saratoga (Michael Giacomelli) is a candidate for that one. We tend to assign mentors rather late in the process though
15:14:56gevaertstrtr3434: it's probably best to discuss things here or on the mailing list. Saturdays are often quiet days here though
15:15:07AlexPtrtr3434: For general questions about it, I would ask either here (and wait for people to see it) or on the -de mailing list
15:15:13AlexP*-dev
15:15:18AlexPWhat gevaerts said basically :)
15:15:42AlexPfareed: Just ask
15:15:45trtr3434I see.
15:16:45trtr3434Can you give me a guideline how am I going to write a proposal?
15:16:55AlexPWe have a template somewhere on the wiki
15:17:00AlexPGive me a minute to find it
15:17:03fareedi am interested in porting rockbox into arm emulator
15:17:36AlexPtrtr3434: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GSoCApplicationTemplate2011
15:17:52AlexPtrtr3434: It says it is a draft, but I don't imagine it'll change much (if at all)
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15:18:57trtr3434Ok
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15:23:51fareedhello I would like to know the mentor for ARM Emulator ?
15:24:48AlexPThere isn't one assigned as of yet
15:25:07Bagderfareed: we won't assign mentors until we have a student and a project and mentors lined up
15:25:12kugelTorne would be a good fit imo
15:25:14AlexPfareed: To discuss it, do so here (and wait for replies), or probably better, post on the -dev mailing list
15:26:27fareedok , thanks for the reply
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15:28:23Bagderspeaking of mentors, please sign up on the gsoc thing if you want to be one
15:28:57Bagderalso, signing up there will get you to be a part of the student selection process, even if you won't end up mentoring
15:29:23gevaertsAnd on a related note, mentors should join #rockbox-gsoc :)
15:29:39Bagdergood point!
15:30:14AlexPAlso, Bagder should approve them :)
15:30:24*Bagder just did the first three
15:30:28AlexPoops :)
15:31:27Bagderand now I get to use the mute function again in gmail when the mentor list gets alive again...
15:32:01trtr3434So I can register for being mentor?
15:32:05Bagderno
15:32:15fareedXD
15:32:24trtr3434-_-
15:32:28Bagderunless you're an old rockboxer using an undercover nick just now =)
15:33:03BagderI'd say all committers can be mentors
15:33:08trtr3434I see
15:33:25Bagderpossibly someone who isn't mentor _can_ be, but that would have to be properly motivated
15:33:31Bagderargh, who isn't committer
15:34:28trtr3434Ok the point is, only old folks can sign as mentor?
15:34:35AlexPI'd say we really want people who are involved in Rockbox
15:34:51AlexPI don't see how you can be an effective mentor without already being familiar with the project
15:34:56trtr3434I see
15:35:21trtr3434I just want to become part of student selection process, not being a mentor :p
15:35:27AlexPSo that is fine
15:35:41AlexPYou want to apply as a student, not a mentor
15:35:55Bagdertrtr3434: that too would require a really solid insight into the project which few non-committers have
15:35:59trtr3434Yes, misunderstanding from my part
15:36:01AlexPoh sorry, misread
15:36:12AlexPNo, only mentors can select students
15:36:19AlexPOr committers anyway
15:36:42Bagderthe best is if anyone who wants to be part of the selection signs up to be a mentor
15:36:49AlexPyeah
15:37:13AlexPbut people who are already involved, and probably in practice a committer
15:37:29Bagderexactly
15:38:17kugelyou should mention the free t-shirt :-)
15:38:25silbo_xD
15:47:36silbo_so how many students are there besides trtr3434 and fareed ?
15:48:03gevaertsSeveral thousands :)
15:48:52silbo_you kidding right xD
15:49:03n1swhat are backup mentors supposed to do?
15:49:19gevaertsHm, probably. I guess it's millions
15:49:21n1ssilbo_: in gsoc there are thousands
15:49:39AlexPsilbo_: There aren't any as such, we have had one or two others interested at the moment
15:49:42silbo_yea I mean like in this project
15:49:45bertriksideral, I looked at the as35xx linux patch. I can't find any special handling of sd response type R1b (basic response with busy signal). There are suspicions that CMD6 is failing (it sends an R1b response) on some uSD cards in AMSv2 players.
15:49:49gevaertsOh
15:50:00*gevaerts apparently misunderstood
15:50:01n1si think i can be a mentor but i don't know if i'm qualified to be primary?
15:50:12AlexPsure you are
15:50:21n1sok then
15:50:51n1show much technical detail should one know about the parts that a project touches?
15:50:52silbo_I will try to fix a bug in RockBox so don't be mad if i blow the SVN xD
15:51:04AlexPsilbo_: You won't be able to, you have no write access :)
15:51:16AlexPAnd if you provide a patch it'll be tested :)
15:51:17gevaertsYou might blow up the patch tracker though :)
15:51:31silbo_yea I know that, just trying to blend in
15:51:35AlexPheh :)
15:52:06bertrikI think I'll go out and buy a 16GB uSD card and hope it doesn't work on my sansa clip+ :)
15:52:13silbo_so who is the tester that has all the different players?
15:52:27AlexPLots of committers have multiple players
15:52:45AlexPAnd if it is something that needs testing on many, or ones that you don't have then you ask in here
15:53:11silbo_ok sir Alex
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15:53:31AlexPno need to be sarcastic, I'm only trying to help
15:53:39gevaertsn1s: I'd say the qualifications to be a mentor are one or more of "knows an area of the code rather well", "has a reasonably good idea about who to talk to about specific areas of the code", "is prepared to take part in a flamewar on a student's behalf, if and when needed", "has a bit of time for this"
15:54:00silbo_sorry about that
15:54:09bertriksilbo_, if you fix something generic, you can test it in a simulator too. If it's some driver fix for a specific player, you'll probably have the hardware already.
15:55:11silbo_i see
15:56:18kugeln1s: you're sure qualified. I don't think you need to be an expert in the specific area of the project
15:56:35*n1s signs up then :)
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16:06:12gevaertshm, maybe it's time to dust off http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MrSomeonesTodoList again for those prospective gsoc students who want to impress us :)
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16:08:23fareedim a computer engineer student
16:08:29fareedwould i be qualified?
16:09:06trtr3434fareed: you are qualified to submit proposal :p
16:09:20fareedhaha okay
16:10:24AlexPfareed: If you qualify for GSoC, then you qualify for Rockbox - you just then have to write a proposal an presuade us to pick you :)
16:13:12fareedok sir hope to meet you soon
16:13:21fareedvirtually of course
16:14:07silbo_xD
16:14:25silbo_soon an unknown man will be at your door xD
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16:14:50AlexPHe's on his way it seems
16:14:51trtr3434you just give an interesting idea
16:29:23silbo_trtr3434: to concure the world?
16:29:36silbo_conquer*
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16:43:51silbo_hmm, I am trying to build rockbox from svn trunk, but it is telling me that I don't have sdl-config
16:44:21gevaertsYou're building the simulator?
16:45:12gevaertsIf so, you'll need libsdl1.2-dev (or equivalent, that's the debian package name)
16:45:40gevaertsOr the application, that will need it too
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16:48:23silbo_Ok, thank you, works fine now.
16:48:59silbo_Can you update the wiki also?
16:49:14silbo_http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowToCompile
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16:51:22gevaertshm
16:53:07gevaertsActually, it says to look at the UiSimulator page for the simulator, and that page mentions this. HowToCompile needs more changes than that to make it really correct for the application...
16:53:26*gevaerts thinks that our entire set of wiki pages about compiling needs a lot of work
16:53:55AlexPCrossCompiliers is well out of date on the manual bit I think
16:54:03AlexPShould just be removed IMO
16:54:06gevaertsEverything is there, but we have lots of pages with similar content and slightly different focus
16:56:03silbo_Ok
16:57:30n1syeah, the wiki is a mess
16:57:44AlexPin many areas
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17:07:32silbo_Are the players on the market that come with dropbox ?
17:07:42silbo_I mean RockBox xD.
17:08:05fareedXD
17:08:14gevaertsYes and no
17:08:16fareednice idea btw
17:08:34gevaertsThere's at least one place that sells players with rockbox installed, but that's not the manufacturer
17:09:15silbo_I see.
17:10:09gevaertsWe're totally independent, with no commercial interests to trouble our conscience :)
17:12:46silbo_I see.
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17:14:26silbo_So what is this make zip all about?
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17:15:40AlexPIt makes a zip with a build inside
17:15:47n1ssilbo_: make zip makes a zip of all the files rockbox consists of
17:16:42bluebroth3rreworking various wiki pages might be a good thing for DevCon
17:16:54AlexPyeah
17:16:58AlexPpop it on the list :)
17:17:11bluebroth3rah right, we now do have a list :)
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17:24:58bluebroth3rAlexP: added. Let's see how many discussion will rise from that pages :)
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17:31:52silbo_Extract the newly created rockbox.zip file on your target, reboot it and smile. ? xD
17:33:02n1ssilbo_: pretty much, rockbox detects if you unzipped a new version and will ask if it should start it
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17:34:04AlexPsilbo_: Keep in mind that you can't use a simulator build on a real terget
17:34:07AlexP*target
17:34:15trtr3434silbo_: no fareed house is in my neighbourhood
17:34:50AlexPI don't know what that means, but keep on topic please :)
17:35:05silbo_They are both from malaysia
17:35:54silbo_AlexP: I didn't understand how somebody should detect something if I haven't intalled anything yet.
17:36:02AlexP?
17:36:34AlexPIf you are installing, the instructions in the manual will be helpful
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17:38:08silbo_Ok, quess I should check the simulator site.
17:38:37AlexPIf you want to build and use the simulator, then after configure do make then make install
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17:38:48AlexP(or make fullinstall to get the fonts)
17:38:53AlexPThen run ./rockboxui
17:39:58silbo_Cool it is working xD.
17:40:03AlexPnice :)
17:40:21n1sif you are building a sim you can just do "make install" after make
17:40:33silbo_Yep got that.
17:40:48n1s(with the correct configure switches install can work for real targets too)
17:41:23silbo_Should be fullscreen. Can't actually read the text. xD
17:41:38AlexPIt is a simulator, it simulates the screen res of the target you chose :)
17:41:44gevaertsThe simulator has a zoom option
17:42:08gevaerts./rockboxui −−zoom 2
17:42:56silbo_ou ok
17:43:04silbo_Nice one.
17:43:24silbo_Zoom 10 ou yea
17:44:25silbo_15 is over the screen.
17:45:25gevaertsWhich simulator did you build?
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17:46:09silbo_Sansa Clip
17:46:32gevaertsAh right. That's a tiny screen :)
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18:23:01silbo_Is there a guide how to import files to the simulator?
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18:26:13n1ssilbo_: import how?
18:26:35silbo_I mean like play music and videos.
18:26:46silbo_Does the simulator support that?
18:27:14n1syes, you can either put the files in the simdisk dir where it's installed or just symlink
18:27:28silbo_Ok thx.
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18:36:30fareednice i just played minesweeper in the simulator
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18:43:54BiptoN2froggyman are you around?
18:45:12Leiffareed, Have you played bubbles? For me anyway, the UI looks horrid (I'm simulating the fuze v2)
18:48:17BiptoN2is there anyone here working on the Pandora port by chance?
18:50:13fareednot yet
18:50:27fareeddo you able to get out from calendar menu
18:50:40fareedby the way im using the sansa clip simulator
18:50:59silbo_use U
18:52:19n1scheck the buttonmap for your target in uisimulator/buttonmap/ to see what buttons maps to what in the sim
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18:52:51Leifn1s, Cool, thanks
18:54:08fareedcurrently im using windows 7 and i have all the source code
18:54:24fareedi build the source using cgwin
18:54:38fareeddid i miss anything?
18:55:27Leiffareed, I don't see why that should make a difference.
18:55:44Leiffareed, At least assuming you have the proper cross compilers installed.
18:56:18fareedhow to run rockboxdev.sh
18:56:30fareeduse $ rockboxdev.sh ?
18:56:44n1syeah, just run it
18:56:59n1sit asks which toolchains to set up
18:57:40fareedohh i need to install gcc
18:58:06n1syes, the cygwin page lists what you need to install
18:58:21n1scygwin page in the wiki, i don't rememebr its name
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18:59:19fareedso gcc is a cygwin component?
18:59:59n1sthere's a package for it
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19:00:15n1sbut if you already built a sim you should have it
19:00:44n1sor maybe i'm confusing you, you need a *native* gcc installed to build the cross toolchains
19:00:56n1swhich is what rockboxdev.sh does
19:02:42fareedyeah weird i checked the component iit said gcc already installed
19:03:07fareedill try the native gcc method
19:03:13LeifSo, is the plugin API listed on the plugins page (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowtoWritePlugins) comprehensive?
19:03:30Leif(or in other words, is that all of the rockbox api calls there is to make)
19:03:54gevaertsLeif: I wouldn't bet on that
19:04:11Leifgevaerts, thanks...I just notice this: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugin.h?content-type=text/plain
19:04:15Leifand thus, feel dumb now...
19:04:16n1sno it isn't that's just a small part of it
19:04:24saratoga_FWIW I think i came up with the ARM emulator project, but i'm hoping not to have to mentor it :)
19:04:32gevaertsLeif: yes, that's the real one :)
19:04:50Leifgevaerts, n1s thanks
19:04:57gevaertsLeif: one thing to know about it is that it only has functions that a plugin once needed, i.e. it can be extended when you need more
19:05:23Leifgevaerts, Cool
19:05:46gevaertsIt helps if the function you want is already available in the core of course :)
19:07:00LeifTrue...but still good to know that it can be expanded if needed.
19:07:26gevaertsIf something you want isn't in the core, it probably makes more sense to add it to apps/plugins/lib/
19:07:39Leifsaratoga_, I was interested in doing that project. Although aren't there already ARM emulators available, or are you looking for something a little more specific?
19:08:15saratoga_Leif: the project wouldn't really be writing an arm emulator, but rather writing an emulator for all the other things on an SOC
19:08:43saratoga_things like display, disk, sound, buttons, etc
19:08:59Leifsaratoga_, Okay, that makes sense.
19:09:20saratoga_something like skyeye, armulator, or qemu could handle the actual Arm emulation parts
19:09:46Leifsaratoga_, Are you aware if anyone else has expressed interest on that project? (I'm preparing an email about it for the mailing list, as recommended to me last night).
19:09:59saratoga_not yet, but its still early
19:10:15Leifsaratoga_, Okay, thanks
19:10:23saratoga_we had one person apply to do it a previous year, but he dropped out
19:10:40Leifsaratoga_, Sad.
19:10:42fareed<n1s> :this native gcc is 80mb++ ?
19:11:22LeifI've only taken a few classes on computer hardware, organization, digital logic, etc. but that project sounds extreamly exciting.
19:11:46LeifDid the person just not feel qualified to do the project?
19:11:47n1sfareed: i have no idea but didn't you manage to build a simultaor?
19:11:56Leifsaratoga_, (the person who did it last year)
19:12:20fareedthe simulator i download from link
19:12:21Leifgevaerts, True. So I would assume that the process to get changes into the standard plugin API would be via the bugtracker...yes?
19:12:30fareedspeaking of emulator
19:12:47TorneLeif: generallt it would be "write them"
19:12:48fareedwas it like mc6800 simulator?
19:12:49gevaertsLeif: it was a few years ago. He basically disappeared, and came back a while later to apologise for having overestimated the amount of stuff he could do during summer
19:12:55Torneand post a patch :)
19:13:15LeifTorne, lol, that would be awesome if we could get code to write itself.
19:13:16gevaertsLeif: include them in the patch that also has the code that needs them
19:13:20fareedim interested in the ARM project
19:13:39n1sfareed: ok, then you need to install a native gcc to be able to build the toolchains
19:13:45Leifgevaerts, Okay thanks (on both accounts)
19:13:57gevaertsLeif: so anyway, the failure of that project doesn't mean *anything* about how difficult it is
19:15:48TorneLeif: i meant, the process would be for you to write the changes you want :)
19:15:54Leifgevaerts, Okay. I'm not *too* worried about difficulty (learning new things isn't really hard, and I get the impressions that you chose projects you think are doable in a reasonable amount of time), still, good to know, thank you.
19:16:22LeifTorne, Yup, I got that. (Which is why I said it would be awesome if code could write itself. ;) ).
19:16:58Leifchoose*
19:17:01saratoga_i guess the big thing about the emulator project would be to make sure you're aiming for something thats generally going to be useful to future developers, so either something that can give useful performance data about code on arm, or that can be readily adapted to new hardware, etc
19:17:31saratoga_just emulating some older player isn't so interesting unless it can be used as a tool for improving or reverse engineering future players too
19:17:58n1sit could possibly be useful for debugging
19:18:14n1sfor tricky stuff that don't show up on the sim for some reason
19:18:18saratoga_that too
19:18:22Leifsaratoga_, So you're saying keep a modular design, and create other tools to make new players/hardware easier, okay
19:18:53Leifn1s, Ya, that sounds very useful.
19:19:32Tornewouldn't you just write the relevant peripherals/etc for qemu?
19:20:22LeifTorne, or some other emulator yes, unless absolutely needed, it sounds like a dumb idea to reinvent the wheel, if you know what I mean.
19:21:00LeifTorne, But there are other tools that can be made to make it particularly useful for development of rockbox, as n1s said, a debugger would be nice, which I bet gdb can help with.
19:21:16saratoga_Torne: probably that or Skyeye
19:21:23saratoga_both emulate a few common arm SOCs IIRC
19:21:29n1si think it would be good to start with a target with some docs available btw
19:21:29saratoga_so whichever looks less awful to work with probably
19:22:06Leifn1s, Docs from you, or from the hardware manufactures, or both?
19:22:28Leif(and by you, I mean the rockbox community in general)
19:22:38Tornethe emulators already have debuggers :)
19:23:16TorneLeif: something with an actual manual from the SoC vendor
19:23:34Torneit's somewhat debatable whether there's any point making an emulator based on reverse engineered speculation :)
19:23:38LeifTorne, Oh, okay. So it really would just be writing the necisary components for hardware.
19:23:49LeifTorne, Ah, okay
19:23:57saratoga_Torne: think of trying to run the OF as a challange :)
19:24:03saratoga_challenge
19:24:09Leiflol
19:24:15Tornesaratoga_: indeed
19:24:16Leifthat would be awesome
19:25:04saratoga_i was actually thinking it would be useful to be able to step through the OF of a new device and just log register accesses and what it tries to write to them
19:25:16saratoga_wouldn't get far, but for something like a prebootloader it might be very interesting
19:25:32saratoga_since it'd likely give you things like nand and gpio registers
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19:25:44Tornei doubt you would get far enough to be interesting without being able to fulfil reads
19:25:50Torneat least for most things
19:26:27Tornereading chip ids and the like
19:27:12LeifTorne, So you don't think it would be useful?
19:27:40Tornehm? no, i mean i don't think it's generally useful to run the OF for a new device on an emulator that doesn't know how to emulate that device
19:28:12LeifTorne, Oh, okay, that makes sense.
19:28:49LeifAlthough it does throw saratoga_'s idea about idea about using it to learn more about new hardware out of the window, maybe, I should do a bit more research first though...
19:29:42Torneoh, it's useful to see what it does with external devices
19:29:53Tornewhat it does with GPIOs and so on
19:30:23Leifmmm...okay
19:30:41Tornebut if you don't emulate the peripherals on the SoC then it's hard to get anything to work at all
19:31:49*Torne goes for pizza, anyway
19:32:02LeifTorne, Okay, thanks for your advice.
19:34:14saratoga_i just noticed that aac-he is almost real time on PP
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19:35:10saratoga_looks like the HE part is under 80MHz, so we could probably use the COP to decode HE in realtime
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19:36:59pirokoUgh. Headache. Probably induced by lack of caffeine. Good thing there is a solution to this
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19:37:28n1spiroko: please stay on the topic
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19:42:36LeifHas anyone made a git tree of the svn repo?
19:43:07n1syes, i think there's something in the wiki about it
19:43:15Leifn1s, cool, thanks
19:45:32Leifn1s, Okay, I found it. (git-svn was being slow), thank you
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19:55:56pirokon1s: Ouch. I think Torne mentioned pizza in one of his previous messages. You might want to get on him about that, too
19:56:37gevaertspiroko: Torne said that to indicate that he was leaving the discussion
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19:57:50pirokogevaerts: Well I mentioned caffeine to indicate that I'm going to start coding.
19:58:06pirokoUgh. Sorry, in a peeved mood currently
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20:11:22silbo_What is the Base WAD?
20:11:43saratoga_some doom thing probably
20:11:58saratoga_bertrik: we you going to commit that crossfeed patch any time soon?
20:12:32*Mirs_dads_comput curses rockbox
20:12:57Leifsilbo_, In DOOM, you have two types of wads, iwads and pwads.
20:13:02LeifI believe it's complaining about your iwad
20:13:35silbo_And that is xD?
20:14:06gevaertsHave you looked at the manual?
20:14:14bertriksaratoga_, I'm still undecided. I want to make some more measurements first.
20:14:20Leifsilbo_, Oops, sorry. Basically, iwads contain all of the data to run the game, and pwads contain some of it, thus you put a pwad over an iwad.
20:14:27saratoga_bertrik: what was the issue?
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20:14:48Leifsilbo_, So, what problem were you having?
20:15:03silbo_Just wanted to try play Doom. xD
20:15:24saratoga_i'd probably just check the manual, iirc it says what to do
20:15:28Leifsilbo_, Ah, okay. The manual should have good information about that (also the rockbox installer should auto-magically do it for you).
20:15:29bertrikthe initial version I made turned out to be off by a factor of 2 in the low-pass filter, the corrected version doesn't sound as good (too subtle)
20:16:28saratoga_verses whatever the analog version of that circuit is supposed to do?
20:17:05bertrikyes
20:19:35saratoga_isn't the best cutoff subjective anyway?
20:20:03fareedhi what does it means when i tried to run rockboxdev.sh it gives command not found>
20:20:19fareedshould i redownload rockbox?
20:21:01saratoga_fareed: rockboxdev.sh is a file, if you're getting command not found, does it exist in your folder?
20:21:28gevaertsfareed: it's probably useful if you know something about basic unix shell usage
20:21:40silbo_Leif: Which manual do you mean?
20:21:53saratoga_the rockbox manual
20:22:34Leifsilbo_, Which player do you have? (and yes, I do mean the rockbox manuals).
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20:23:06bertrikthe cutoff frequency influences the delay for low frequencies
20:23:08silbo_Leif: I have the Fuze
20:23:45saratoga_i probably wouldn't bother on the fuze, theres not really enough memory to play doom
20:23:50Leifsilbo_, Then this page should get you up and running: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-17400011.1.9
20:24:42Leifbertrik, So are you trying to do this in software, or are you actually building a band pass filter?
20:25:42bertrikLeif, I'm talking about a cross-feed algorithm, actually very basic, with just a single-pole low-pass
20:26:15dfktbertrik, what do you think of the comment i made on the tracker about the crossfeed? leave both, label them "meier 1" and "meier 2" or something?
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20:26:28saratoga_Leif: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11767
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20:26:57Leifbertrik, saratoga_ Cool, thanks.
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20:27:45scorchedomonoky1: if you want to be accepted as a mentor, be sure to be in #rockbox-gsoc ;)
20:28:21scorchesaratoga_: same to you
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20:29:52scorcheLlorean: and you
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20:35:42bertrikdfkt, I was really hoping to make a single "one true meier crossfeed" ... :)
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20:38:28dfktone to rule them all :)
20:39:18dfktunderstandable... otherwise you could make the xover frequency adjustable again, like the regular xfeed. which probably would complicate things again
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21:29:18bluebroth3rJdGordon|: I've checked the Theme Editor about the two grey boxes you mentioned. I don't see any. The only thing I notice is the window resizing on start
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23:28:51bertrikHas anyone tried this ipod FM receiver + remote accessory with rockbox? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/0-7-lcd-inline-controller-and-fm-radio-tuner-for-ipod-iphone-2g-3g-33000
23:55:16JdGordon|bluebroth3r: hmm, ok, maybe its a linux thing?
23:57:43bluebroth3rJdGordon|: no, I've tried it on linux :)
23:57:57bluebroth3rwell, maybe a thing of your linux installation
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