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| 00:05:25 | gbl08ma | bertrik: I have not tried that FM radio, although it looks cheap and it'd be nice if it worked with Rockbox. For everyone: this FM radio made me remember of another thing... which iPods support FM radio accessory in Rockbox? |
| 00:05:58 | Torne | anything with a dock connector should basically be the same |
| 00:06:05 | gbl08ma | I know iPod Nano 1G has a Radio entry in the menu for the Apple Radio Remote, I think. |
| 00:06:16 | Torne | except maybe the 6g/nano2g |
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| 00:06:27 | Torne | depends if we've got serial support for those. |
| 00:06:41 | gbl08ma | iPod Nano 2G doesn't have the Radio in the menu so it doesn't support radio accessories, right? |
| 00:06:49 | Torne | it might if someone turned it on |
| 00:07:47 | Torne | all it needs is serial support for the accessory port, so if that's done on the nano2g then it should be possible to just turn radio on and have it work |
| 00:07:55 | Torne | i don't know thouhg |
| 00:08:35 | gbl08ma | unfortunately I don't have any radio accessory to test with, so I think it's useless to compile a build with Radio turned on, right? |
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| 00:08:48 | Torne | well yes |
| 00:08:51 | Buschel | saratoga: the aac sbr decoder reported in the forums seems to be caused by r28079 |
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| 00:20:18 | JdGordon| | dammit! lcd-android is fubar |
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| 00:21:02 | funman | re: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2011-03/0072.shtml , cd sdk/platforms ; ln -s android-8 android-11 # works like a charm |
| 00:21:40 | JdGordon| | for various definitinos of "wworks" :) |
| 00:21:45 | JdGordon| | (HEY funman !) |
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| 00:22:08 | funman | hey |
| 00:22:17 | funman | well it builds and runs so i guess it's enough |
| 00:22:34 | JdGordon| | it will work untill anything from the new sdk is actually used |
| 00:22:36 | JdGordon| | probably |
| 00:25:22 | funman | so there is plan to require android >= 3.0 ? |
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| 00:25:57 | kugel | funman: requiring is different to using a new api |
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| 00:26:20 | kugel | we use 2.2 apis but still support 1.5 |
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| 00:26:47 | funman | ah cool |
| 00:27:08 | kugel | funman: no devcon this year? I need someone who has a cig with me :) |
| 00:27:26 | funman | cig? |
| 00:27:43 | funman | +aret? :) |
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| 00:28:45 | kugel | yep :) |
| 00:29:40 | funman | i am flying to canada in 10 days so i have more chances to attend devconwest (although not sure) |
| 00:29:51 | kugel | for a longer period? |
| 00:29:53 | funman | and since tobacco is twice more expensive there i might quit smoking for good :) |
| 00:29:57 | funman | 1y |
| 00:30:22 | kugel | hopefully more time for rockbox over there :) |
| 00:30:29 | funman | unlikely |
| 00:30:46 | funman | i ll try to meet atomic_punk who worked on sansa ams though |
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| 00:31:39 | funman | pamaury is too busy with fuze+ to work on amsv2 usb?N |
| 00:32:07 | pamaury | hey funman, nice to see you |
| 00:32:55 | pamaury | I don't really know what to do with amsv2 usb, as before :( |
| 00:35:09 | gbl08ma | out of curiosity, would a FM radio Live Pause system be feasible on Rockbox by using the playback buffer? (this is not a feature request) |
| 00:36:05 | funman | i think tweaking the recording code would be easier |
| 00:37:19 | funman | pamaury: didn't jhMikeS changes help? |
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| 00:38:13 | pamaury | yes, there we some synchronization issues but it doesn't solve everything |
| 00:38:25 | pamaury | it seems that there are some sd issues too |
| 00:39:15 | gbl08ma | to finish the FM idea: my idea was that in the playback buffer some minutes of FM stream could be stored, and then the user could "pause" the emission, go back some minutes and things alike. |
| 00:39:21 | gbl08ma | to really finish the FM idea: not really something I could make use of, as I don't have any FM-capable target. but leaving the idea. |
| 00:42:19 | funman | pamaury: anything worth reading about these problems? (FS/forum) |
| 00:42:46 | pamaury | the FS task "workaround ...amsv2 usb" |
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| 00:47:53 | funman | fs#11664 |
| 00:48:04 | bertrik | Torne, I am interested in making an accessory work with the nano 2g (just need to get both an nano 2g + accessory) |
| 00:49:11 | bertrik | the ipod accessory protocol code will need a bit of refactoring because it's now basically wired into the PP serial interrupt |
| 00:50:20 | funman | jhMikeS: are you using a fuzev2? |
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| 00:50:58 | bertrik | also the iap autobaud code is now integrated in the PP serial driver, I think it should be "on top" of the serial driver |
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| 00:54:01 | Rasi | hi |
| 00:54:09 | Rasi | i am trying to use rockbox on my e200v2 |
| 00:54:13 | Rasi | but the installer fails |
| 00:54:16 | Rasi | http://paste.xinu.at/Ea4b/ |
| 00:54:18 | Rasi | this is the log |
| 00:54:23 | sideral | funman, pamaury: FWIW, for me USB works mostly stable now on my ClipV2, but see FS #12001 |
| 00:54:29 | Rasi | ah |
| 00:54:31 | Rasi | i am stupid |
| 00:54:33 | Rasi | 0b free |
| 00:54:35 | Rasi | lol |
| 00:56:06 | gbl08ma | bertirk: not really related to accessory protocol, but do you know if anyone did anything about HID on nano2g? on the wiki it says mass storage works and HID doesn't. |
| 00:56:51 | funman | sideral: you didn't answer to jhMikeS did you? |
| 00:56:59 | gbl08ma | bertrik: it also says that it might be usb interrupt transfers breaking the hid |
| 00:57:45 | sideral | funman: No, I haven't answered yet. I haven't had time yet to play with the retry counts |
| 00:58:39 | bertrik | gbl08ma, I'm not really planning to work on usb |
| 00:58:59 | gbl08ma | bertrik: it's ok |
| 00:59:00 | sideral | funman: BTW, there was at least one other user who needed this change backed out, with other failure symptoms: FS #11965 |
| 00:59:34 | sideral | I suspect that much of the AMSv2 instability with crashes during DB updates etc. reported in the forums has to do with this as well |
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| 01:00:08 | sideral | funman: Re the ClipV2 background hissing noise: Have you ever experienced any change in that noise (with any AMSv2 player) when playing with the CPU frequencies? |
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| 01:01:03 | bieber | JdGordon|: Did you ever try out my changes to the %xd tag in the theme editor? |
| 01:01:37 | funman | sideral: yes |
| 01:02:12 | funman | the hiss happened at a higher frequency when the cpu freq was higher |
| 01:02:44 | sideral | Interesting |
| 01:04:13 | funman | (iirc) |
| 01:04:20 | sideral | funman: I've pretty much ruled out that the AS3543 config has anything to do with the bg noise: FS #11915. Thanks again for getting me access to that datasheet |
| 01:04:47 | funman | thanks AMS :) |
| 01:06:19 | sideral | I wanted to start playing with the CPU frequencies as well, and noticed your patches in FS #11297. But there are so many of them... any idea on which one to start with? |
| 01:08:31 | funman | just set HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_VOLTAGE in config/*.h |
| 01:09:29 | funman | don't remember if there's a problem with the current implementation in system-as3525.c (except the crashes i mean) |
| 01:10:27 | sideral | the patches' changes to system-as3525.c aren't necessary anymore you think? |
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| 01:11:22 | funman | none solved the crashes |
| 01:11:36 | funman | it was only trials |
| 01:11:42 | sideral | OK |
| 01:13:28 | sideral | I'll give it a go eventually |
| 01:14:16 | sideral | My motivation to do this may drop a bit though as I've already ordered a Clip+ to take advantage of the SD slot :) |
| 01:14:51 | funman | ^^ |
| 01:15:06 | funman | ++ |
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| 01:18:56 | kugel | bertrik: didn't you propose that as a soc project also? |
| 01:19:11 | bertrik | kugel, yes I mentioned it here, haven't written it down |
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| 01:19:59 | sideral | kugel, bertrik: what do you guys mean? |
| 01:20:50 | bertrik | making ipod accessories work for the nano 2g and ipod "classic" 6g |
| 01:22:15 | sideral | bertrik: Ah, thanks. I suffered a loss of context ;) |
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| 01:27:21 | bertrik | I found another patch that seems to match the AMSv2 sd controller: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/452691/ |
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| 01:29:41 | WilliamC | In the latest nightly build Rockbox won't play music |
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| 01:30:30 | WilliamC | oh crap |
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| 01:30:45 | WilliamC | I may have to close the bug report |
| 01:31:03 | WilliamC | Seems that the transfer didn't complete, there was a dialog box hidden. |
| 01:33:41 | WilliamC | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12020 |
| 01:33:43 | WilliamC | Please close it |
| 01:33:49 | WilliamC | Sorry about that |
| 01:40:06 | * | kugel is looking into possibly doing multiple/relocatable plugins |
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| 02:03:38 | [Saint] | "[12:48] <bertrik> Torne, I am interested in making an accessory work with the nano 2g (just need to get both an nano 2g + accessory)" |
| 02:04:06 | [Saint] | bertrik: (logs) I can help out with a Nano2G...but alas no accessories survived. |
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| 04:55:04 | JdGordon| | bieber: umm, dont tihnk so |
| 04:56:35 | bieber | I think I've got the whole display-by-tag-value thing working correctly, I just wasn't sure if I got the edge cases exactly correct |
| 04:58:47 | [Saint] | oh oh...while you're here. |
| 04:58:57 | [Saint] | touch screen areas are *fucked*. |
| 04:59:32 | [Saint] | they *always* display screen relative...even if in an own viewport. |
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| 05:00:19 | [Saint] | oops, "fudged". |
| 05:00:24 | * | JdGordon| ? or bieber? |
| 05:00:44 | bieber | In the editor, you mean? |
| 05:00:57 | [Saint] | bieber, you've already expressed your profound hatrid of the theme editor JdGordon| ;) |
| 05:01:11 | [Saint] | or, the code behaind it rather. |
| 05:01:46 | [Saint] | bieber: Yeah, the themeeditor. I've been working with touch targets a lot, and that one thing is a real PITA. |
| 05:02:06 | bieber | IIRC, I spent a while asking about this back when I was implementing it, and was told that touch areas should always be absolute coordinates, never relative |
| 05:02:18 | bieber | So are they actually supposed to be relative when they're in a viewport? |
| 05:02:26 | [Saint] | correct. |
| 05:03:10 | [Saint] | it was probably some confusing rule about %Tl that tripped up the understanding about touch areas. |
| 05:03:15 | bieber | Okay, I'll fix it this week |
| 05:03:22 | bieber | It should be a pretty small edit |
| 05:10:13 | bieber | Actually, I should be able to fix it right now, just a second |
| 05:16:49 | bieber | [Saint]: Know the syntax for a touch-area off the top of your head? |
| 05:17:15 | [Saint] | %T(x,y,w,h,action) |
| 05:18:20 | bieber | Thanks |
| 05:20:14 | bieber | There you go |
| 05:20:15 | CIA-2 | New commit by bieber (r29618): Theme Editor: Made touch area position relative to enclosing viewports |
| 05:20:52 | bieber | [Saint]: Let me know if that works the way you want |
| 05:21:00 | [Saint] | will do. |
| 05:24:03 | CIA-2 | r29618 build result: 1554 errors, 590 warnings (bieber committed) |
| 05:24:28 | bieber | Holy crap |
| 05:27:54 | bieber | I'm assuming that's not related to my themeeditor changes, it looks like the build just failed altogether on one platform for some reason |
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| 08:12:22 | funman | bertrik: looks like it's definitely a patch for the amsv2 SD controller. Perhaps it can be helpful for someone who can decipher the linux interfaces ;) |
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| 09:49:05 | bertrik | Is there anyone currently here experiencing uSD card initialisation problems on the AMSv2? |
| 09:53:15 | [Saint] | occasionally, but...my Fuze doesn't have an LCD...so it makes dubugging *everything* a PITA |
| 09:53:42 | * | [Saint] is reminded to bug Lambda about that. |
| 09:54:18 | [Saint] | bertrik: you were planning on looking at the IAP? |
| 09:54:50 | [Saint] | from your post, it was unclear if you needed a device (Nano2G) *and* an accessory, or both. |
| 09:55:00 | bertrik | As far as I understand, it never works for people who have the problem, and it seems to happen mostly with 16 GB (or bigger) cards, (and more frequently with hi-speed cards too) |
| 09:55:17 | bertrik | [Saint], I need both ... :) |
| 09:55:49 | bertrik | Maybe I could put it up as a SoC project, but perhaps the project is too small for a summer's worth of coding. |
| 09:56:08 | [Saint] | what *is* "too small"? |
| 09:56:17 | [Saint] | I guess it depends on the students ability, no? |
| 09:57:05 | [Saint] | it'd certainly be a summer's worth for me, for instance ;) |
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| 10:14:10 | bertrik | Hah! found another linux driver for an sd/mmc controller very similar to the sd controller in the AMSv2, the dw_mmc driver :) |
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| 10:15:10 | bertrik | Another Synopsis Designware block, apparently also used in the lpc31xx series of microcontrollers. I think the lpc31xx probably has documentation :) |
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| 10:19:48 | bertrik | Ah yes, it does :) |
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| 10:29:22 | Luca_S | bertrik: my fuzev2 doesn't have problem with uSD init, but the sd thread hangs nearly all of the times when rebuilding the db, always when scanning music on the uSD. the same files on internal memory work fine. I don't know if that can be useful to you, but I can test eventual patches. |
| 10:29:54 | bertrik | Great thanks, I may have some patches today already to test |
| 10:31:10 | Luca_S | ok, even if i'm disconnected from irc post here the links to patches or FS, i often read the logs. thanks |
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| 10:57:45 | CIA-2 | New commit by bertrik (r29619): Add another delay in the AMSv2 sd controller driver as a work-around for SD initialisation problems, see FS #11870 |
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| 11:26:02 | CIA-2 | New commit by bluebrother (r29620): Update copyright information in about box. We're still working on this. |
| 11:26:11 | CIA-2 | New commit by bluebrother (r29621): Fix MTP detection only working on e200v1. ... |
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| 11:42:14 | bertrik | SD card experts: does CMD7 (select/deselect) return a response after deselect? |
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| 11:43:43 | kugel | bertrik: udelay shouldnt be used with such large arguments. have you tried sleep() instead* |
| 11:43:48 | kugel | ? |
| 11:44:07 | bertrik | no |
| 11:44:28 | bertrik | hm, it is very large indeed |
| 11:44:56 | bluebrother | hmm, the keymap on mr100 is somewhat weird. |
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| 11:54:14 | silbo__ | Good morning RockBoxers! |
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| 12:07:44 | bertrik | Luca_S: can you try this patch http://pastebin.com/2XYGJS5m ? |
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| 12:32:01 | funman | bertrik: sd spec says cmd7 gives response r1b |
| 12:32:18 | funman | so no specific response |
| 12:32:22 | bertrik | but does it also do this with argument 0 (deselect)? |
| 12:33:00 | bertrik | select succeeds when I specify that a response is expected, but deselect fails when a response is specified |
| 12:33:41 | funman | and when you expect nothing what happens? |
| 12:33:53 | funman | deselect is just select with a specific argument (=0) |
| 12:34:47 | [Saint] | oh, hey funman! o/ |
| 12:35:00 | bertrik | funman, then it works :) |
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| 12:35:35 | funman | ah too bad then, nothing to debug ;) |
| 12:38:33 | bertrik | funman, the NXP LPC31XX range of microcontroller seem to use the same sd controller, and the LPC3100 user manual has documentation about it |
| 12:38:54 | funman | you have a link to the manual? |
| 12:39:12 | bertrik | http://www.nxp.com/documents/user_manual/UM10314.pdf |
| 12:40:57 | bertrik | Also, linux has a driver for an sd controller that looks very similar to the AMSv2 one: http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.38/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c |
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| 12:42:13 | funman | ive seen thta mshci often does dma controller resets |
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| 12:56:59 | hiptobecubic | How bad, power consumption wise, are the peak meters? |
| 12:57:14 | hiptobecubic | I would imagine they take a lot of processing to render and animate, no? |
| 12:58:36 | [Saint] | No, the screen just updates at it's max while drawing a peak meter on the screen...but iirc it was tested and returned no evidence of aditional draw. |
| 12:58:43 | [Saint] | or, none to any noticable effect. |
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| 13:00:33 | funman | bertrik: if it's only similar, what are the differences? |
| 13:01:23 | bertrik | funman, I haven't really looked in that much detail yet, but at least all of the registers and command codes I've seen so far seem to match |
| 13:04:42 | funman | there is even a programming guide in the pdf (pg 380), could be useful |
| 13:06:15 | funman | The cards operate at a maximum of 26 MHz (at maximum of 52 MHz |
| 13:06:16 | funman | in high-speed mode) |
| 13:07:34 | funman | we don't set rx/tx fifo watermarks like expected by the pdf, but rather like the OF does |
| 13:11:17 | bertrik | funman, it seems the AMSv2 has a deeper FIFO, right? |
| 13:12:00 | funman | could be yes, i don't remember if we can read the FIFO size from the registers |
| 13:12:52 | funman | 7.2.6 (page 386) is weird |
| 13:13:18 | funman | they say we must write CMDARG & CMD register for data transfers |
| 13:13:47 | funman | ah it's the normal READ/WRITE SINGLE/MULTIPLE BLOCK commands >< |
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| 13:23:07 | bertrik | funman, perhaps a silly question, but in the AMSv2 sd driver we seem to switch the *card* into HS mode, but shouldn't we also switch the *sd controller* to a higher speed? |
| 13:23:32 | funman | ask flyndice i think he wrote this |
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| 13:24:43 | IceflamePhoenix | Afternoon |
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| 13:26:00 | bertrik | aaargh, the AMSv1 driver seems to do this, but not the ASMv2 driver. So I'm trying to work-around with a problem of a feature that is only half implemented! |
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| 13:30:24 | funman | i dont have the first linux driver we had |
| 13:36:41 | funman | changing the clock freq isn't enough ? |
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| 13:46:36 | pixelma | kugel: thanks for the album art in the widget fix, works for me now too. There only is one problem left and that is - if an album art picture is displayed and the widget needs to redraw after changing the phone's (UI) orientation, I get an error message in place of the widget (German as that's set on my phone: "Fehler beim Vergrößern des Widgets.". Maybe I'll look at adb logcat for this again in the evening or tomorrow |
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| 13:47:45 | pixelma | and the three lines of track info don't fit completely in the "small square" when album art is displayed |
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| 13:48:17 | kugel | pixelma: I don't rotate my home screen so I haven't noticed that |
| 13:48:42 | pixelma | auto-rotates for me when sliding out the keyboard |
| 13:49:01 | * | [Saint] confirms. |
| 13:49:57 | [Saint] | yes, same behaviour here...though that's hardly surprising as it's the same .apk |
| 13:52:03 | [Saint] | pixelma: dows keyclick work for you? it crashes my device.(after working once or twice, or for ~5 seconds or so) |
| 13:52:12 | pixelma | never tried |
| 13:52:13 | [Saint] | *does |
| 13:52:34 | [Saint] | if/when you do, it'd be nice to know...but no panic. |
| 13:56:08 | pixelma | ok, I'll keep it in mind. The audio stops working problem has a higher priority to me though. It was "fun" that the one time I tried a while longer with adb logcat last week I couldn't reproduce, yet it happens fairly often in "normal" use still |
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| 14:00:52 | pixelma | the fact that it helped finding the album art problem gives some motivation though :) |
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| 14:16:47 | bertrik | funman, as far as I understand, the "normal speed" is 25 MHz max and "high speed" is 50 MHz max, but we only prepare the card for higher speed and don't actually raise the speed on the controller side. |
| 14:17:01 | [Saint] | wtf!?! idle timeout doesn't seem to respect HW buttons ;) |
| 14:18:30 | bertrik | To reach high speed for the sd controller, I think we should use a peripheral clock of 48 MHz (and divide it by 2 for normal speed sd cards) |
| 14:18:42 | bertrik | OTOH, it's probably already plenty fast enough |
| 14:18:43 | [Saint] | yep...idle timeout is completely ignoring the dpad. |
| 14:18:49 | [Saint] | kugel: ^ |
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| 14:25:50 | kugel | pixelma: you can look at logcat right after it happened |
| 14:26:04 | kugel | [Saint]: no idea why |
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| 14:55:13 | soap | the user mailing list is mailing me, the sender, a copy of my sent messages. This appears to be (relatively) new behavior. |
| 14:57:08 | pixelma | I believe there is a setting for it (in the mailman pages), I don't think it ever worked for me (set to "don't get my own messages") |
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| 14:58:03 | soap | It worked fine for years for me, up until last week, but I hadn't posted there for a few months so it might have happened anytime 2011. |
| 14:58:16 | soap | I'll look at the mailing list pages. |
| 14:58:47 | pixelma | maybe something got changed or lost during some server work in which case Bagder or Zagor should know |
| 14:59:33 | soap | FWIW only setting I see is digest or not. |
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| 15:12:37 | gevaerts | ender`: ping |
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| 15:16:25 | gevaerts | ender`: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=29618;type=sansac200 |
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| 15:40:17 | ender` | gevaerts: let me see |
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| 15:49:18 | ender` | weird, i can't really find any reason why this is happening |
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| 16:56:39 | webguest97 | hi, please help guys, I'm using rockbox 3.8 on a nano 2g, and am wondering why the "ilike" skin will not appear in my settings > theme settings > brows theme files menu.... any ideads? |
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| 16:57:29 | webguest97 | hi, please help guys, I'm using rockbox 3.8 on a nano 2g, and am wondering why the "ilike" skin will not appear in my settings > theme settings > brows theme files menu.... any ideads?? |
| 16:57:40 | CIA-2 | New commit by Buschel (r29622): Headroom in AAC SBR HF-generator's fixed point implementation of autocorrelation was too small. Fixes FS #12019. |
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| 16:58:27 | [Saint] | webguest97: My guess is either you're messing something up, or you have FS corruption issues. |
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| 16:58:37 | gevaerts | webguest97: is the theme installed? |
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| 17:01:29 | CIA-2 | r29622 build result: All green |
| 17:01:51 | webguest97 | thanks |
| 17:02:33 | webguest97 | all other skins appear ok, but will look into clean install |
| 17:02:38 | CIA-2 | New commit by Buschel (r29623): Backport r29622 to v3.8 branch. Fixes FS #12019, a bug in the AAC SBR decoding. |
| 17:02:54 | webguest97 | yeah, installed |
| 17:03:51 | [Saint] | webguest97: it works on current SVn on my Nano2Gs, and 3.8 also. |
| 17:04:03 | [Saint] | (I'm the author of this theme, btw) |
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| 17:05:56 | webguest97 | hmmn there is no iLike.cfg in .rockbox/themes suspect it might be a corruption issue |
| 17:07:24 | [Saint] | it's definitely present in the .zip available from the themesite. |
| 17:07:33 | webguest97 | sorry for delayed responses, this web client seems laggy |
| 17:08:05 | [Saint] | webguest97: try http://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 17:08:06 | funman | [ 8111.171296] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 15993848 |
| 17:08:25 | funman | my fuzev2 reportedly has 15993856 (== 0xF40C00) sectors |
| 17:08:26 | webguest97 | hehe nice to speak to the proper people |
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| 17:13:52 | iLike_guest97 | hi |
| 17:14:36 | iLike_guest97 | thanks for the tips |
| 17:14:50 | funman | ah already reported: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11664#comment38570 |
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| 17:40:35 | iLike_guest97 | [Saint] I've uninstalled rockbox, tried resetting my ipod to factory defaults (had to install iTunes... yuk) did an error check / bad sectors fix, reinstalled 3.8, added all skins, and still no joy =( |
| 17:41:10 | [Saint] | interesting. |
| 17:41:16 | iLike_guest97 | I'm sure your skin is fine, and something is just wonky with my particular setup, but any ideas would be appreciated |
| 17:42:01 | iLike_guest97 | really wanna use that theme in particular |
| 17:43:06 | iLike_guest97 | might try adding iLike.cfg manually |
| 17:43:30 | [Saint] | I will have another go at reproducing this, I'll restore my Nano and try this with a 3.8 I didn't build myself. |
| 17:43:36 | Buschel | iLike_guest97: did you extract the zip to right path? |
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| 17:44:30 | iLike_guest97 | i used the rockbox utility app |
| 17:44:47 | iLike_guest97 | seems to have worked fine for all other skins |
| 17:45:17 | [Saint] | I shall try install via Rbutil then, also. |
| 17:45:34 | Buschel | maybe that is the cause... |
| 17:46:14 | iLike_guest97 | good point |
| 17:46:32 | Buschel | you might just try to unzip it to your iPod |
| 17:46:42 | [Saint] | It *shouldn't* be the cause...if it is, I'd like to know why. |
| 17:50:21 | iLike_guest97 | I added the .cfg manually, and things seem ok now.. |
| 17:50:54 | [Saint] | Hmmm...ok, weird. So RBUtil is messing something up somehow. |
| 17:51:04 | iLike_guest97 | might add all files from the zip in case im missing anything (looks a little basic atm) |
| 17:52:18 | iLike_guest97 | yeah, all files were missing |
| 17:52:25 | * | funman slaps jhMikeS |
| 17:52:49 | iLike_guest97 | looks like that utility app does not like your skin [Saint] |
| 17:52:58 | [Saint] | iLike_guest97: can you please tell me your RBUtil version? |
| 17:53:16 | [Saint] | click "Help" in the menu |
| 17:53:35 | iLike_guest97 | 1.2.8 |
| 17:53:59 | iLike_guest97 | (SVN $Revision 28154 $) |
| 17:54:26 | iLike_guest97 | built Sep 23 2010 18:22:04 |
| 17:54:35 | [Saint] | that's fine, thanks. |
| 17:55:29 | iLike_guest97 | maybe its just summing to do with my setup, that build is 6 months old, I would have thought if it were a proper bug, it would have been found by now |
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| 17:56:10 | [Saint] | Nevertheless, as I have the facilities to try to reproduce this..I will. |
| 17:56:12 | iLike_guest97 | awsome work with the skin btw Saint] |
| 17:56:18 | [Saint] | thanks. |
| 17:57:17 | iLike_guest97 | best one on the nano's small screen imho |
| 17:58:14 | funman | what's the easiest way to commit if i only have the git repo? (not the git-svn one) |
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| 18:02:59 | funman | ah http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GitVersionControl explains how to turn it in git-svn |
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| 18:04:23 | CIA-2 | New commit by funman (r29624): SD amsv2: remove double assignement |
| 18:04:29 | twoion | Good evening, there. Right now, I am trying to perform a Sansa Clip+ unbrick as described at <http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick>. Having already openend the player and removed the battery, I am unable to release the board from the front panel because around the display it is stuck - so I can not access the pins I have to bridge in order to complete that unbrick procedure. I suspect the SANSA guys have applied the same sticky foam they |
| 18:04:29 | twoion | used to arrest the battery to the display borders. Can someone explain how I may get rid of that without breaking neither board nor display? |
| 18:04:35 | CIA-2 | New commit by funman (r29625): SD AMSv2: fix r29169 ... |
| 18:05:08 | funman | ^ might fix the 3.8 problems |
| 18:05:37 | [Saint] | twoion: Google ""Clip+"+dissassembly" most likely |
| 18:07:47 | CIA-2 | r29624 build result: All green |
| 18:07:51 | funman | twoion: i'd use a knife and be gentle |
| 18:08:08 | [Saint] | and follow a dissassembly guide |
| 18:08:27 | funman | the screen is not particularly fragile |
| 18:08:44 | [Saint] | it can be...if leverage is used. |
| 18:08:57 | [Saint] | (hint: dot ;)) |
| 18:09:02 | [Saint] | *don't too |
| 18:10:40 | CIA-2 | r29625 build result: All green |
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| 18:12:12 | funman | pamaury: bertrik: jhMikeS: any problem left with amsv2 SD ? |
| 18:12:34 | pamaury | don't know, I haven't tested it for some time honestly |
| 18:12:52 | funman | which player are you using then? |
| 18:13:13 | bertrik | funman, I haven't experienced sd problems myself really, |
| 18:13:21 | bertrik | (clip+) |
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| 18:13:41 | [Saint] | oh....goodie. |
| 18:13:55 | funman | if the internal storage isn't full you shouldn't have experienced this problem. it only affected the last 0xf000 sectors |
| 18:13:59 | saratoga_ | funman: my clip+ is rock solid, but some people report lots of trouble building the database |
| 18:14:10 | [Saint] | I install 3.8 on my Nanos, and get *wicked* FS corruption after unmounting every one of them. |
| 18:14:14 | [Saint] | coincidence? |
| 18:14:22 | saratoga_ | FWIW i think most have the newer sd variant |
| 18:14:39 | funman | saratoga_: they should try r29625 |
| 18:14:57 | saratoga_ | great |
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| 18:15:33 | saratoga_ | also, i've been meaning to ask you if any AMSv2 devices use the DBOP or if thats just an AMSv1 thing |
| 18:15:44 | [Saint] | Hmmmm...correct FS issues, unmount, mount, FS corruption. |
| 18:15:46 | [Saint] | gah! |
| 18:16:49 | funman | saratoga_: fuzev2/clipv2 use it for lcd too, only clip+ is different |
| 18:16:53 | [Saint] | How can I check if it's the mounting, or the unmounting doing this? I can't can I? |
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| 18:17:19 | saratoga_ | oh i thought the fuzev2 didn't use dbop |
| 18:17:28 | funman | [Saint]: run 'sync' before unmounting perhaps |
| 18:17:43 | funman | and dd the raw device, then check this fs |
| 18:18:28 | saratoga_ | ah i see the buttons don't use dbop like on the v1, but the display does |
| 18:18:40 | iLike_guest97 | [Saint] gonna sign off now, thanks for all the help |
| 18:18:50 | funman | yes there is less conflicts |
| 18:18:56 | [Saint] | iLike_guest97: thanks for finding this for us. |
| 18:19:08 | [Saint] | I'll look into it. |
| 18:19:22 | iLike_guest97 | if you PM me, I can leave an email address, incase I can help further |
| 18:21:52 | iLike_guest97 | thanks for the help everyone, keep up the good work =] |
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| 18:24:42 | * | [Saint] shrugs. |
| 18:24:43 | [Saint] | WFM |
| 18:25:10 | [Saint] | I trashed my FS ~4 times in the process...but RBUtil installed the theme correctly. |
| 18:26:18 | * | [Saint] wonders what breed of weirdness explains RBUtil refusing to install *my* theme, and that theme alone, for (for what I know is) only one user. |
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| 18:31:16 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Actually...I *can* reproduce this... |
| 18:33:17 | [Saint] | I got two Nanos confused and thought that the theme install actually worked. |
| 18:34:05 | [Saint] | RBUtil *won't* install my theme for some reason (iLike - iPod Nano1-2G)...tested on Nano 1 and 2G. |
| 18:35:55 | [Saint] | Ah...and I just found out why. |
| 18:35:58 | [Saint] | "Unsupported PKZip version. Skipping file. |
| 18:35:59 | [Saint] | (Last message repeated 33 times.)" |
| 18:36:29 | [Saint] | It seems RBUtil can't handle 7zip .zip files? |
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| 18:40:38 | [Saint] | bluebrother: System Trace −−> http://pastebin.com/07bsTeUk |
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| 18:56:26 | bluebrother | [Saint]: ouch |
| 18:56:40 | bluebrother | I thought that issue was fixed :( |
| 18:57:25 | [Saint] | I didn't know it was an issue 'til now. |
| 18:58:10 | bluebrother | there had been such an issue in the past, when distributions started shipping zip 3.0 |
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| 18:58:22 | bluebrother | what version of zip did you use for creating the archive? |
| 18:58:39 | [Saint] | I used 7zip |
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| 19:00:09 | gevaerts | The file claims zip 2.0 compatibility |
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| 19:01:02 | [Saint] | whatever he used to extract it manually seemed to deal withit fine. |
| 19:01:21 | [Saint] | (he == "the guy that discovered this") |
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| 19:04:45 | bluebrother | the problem is (as in the past) some version byte in the zip file. |
| 19:05:18 | bluebrother | The class uses for extracting checks this and has a maximum number set. If I simply increase that it works again, so it's definitely not a problem with the zip format itself |
| 19:06:01 | bluebrother | though this might be yet another reason to move away from OSDaB unzip and switch to quazip (as the theme editor uses) |
| 19:07:02 | bluebrother | since bieber already did the work of figuring how to use that it shouldn't be the problem. It's "just" work ... |
| 19:13:30 | bluebrother | btw, is it possible to make rockbox.apk put its files (especially themes and codecs) on the SD card by default? |
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| 20:45:54 | gbl08ma | I was reading the 2011 Summer of Code wiki page, and while not actually pretending to work on any project, the multiple/relocatable plugins section looked very interesting... |
| 20:46:53 | gbl08ma | there it says that a new format for "plugins" might have to be defined; but if this project is really taken by someone and completed successfully, should we keep calling "plugins" to plugins? |
| 20:47:06 | gevaerts | Why not? |
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| 20:47:43 | gevaerts | I mean, either the name is appropriate or it isn't. That doesn't have much to do with how the implementation works |
| 20:49:12 | gbl08ma | if I understand correctly, multiple plugins could be run at the same time (i'd call this multi-tasking), and the plugins would be stored in an executable file format. |
| 20:49:14 | gbl08ma | doesn't this make plugins act more as applications than plugins? |
| 20:49:26 | gevaerts | Not really |
| 20:49:58 | gevaerts | Don't focus too much on the "run at the same time" bit. It doesn't have to mean multi tasking |
| 20:51:31 | gbl08ma | specially when most targets don't have enough memory for some heavy plugins (e.g. doom), now imagine what would be running multiple plugins in a multi-tasking way... |
| 20:51:33 | gbl08ma | so, what does that "run at the same time" mean? |
| 20:51:59 | gevaerts | The general idea is that there are several areas where we'd like plugins, but with the current mechanisms that means extra permanently allocated buffers. These areas include USB drivers, WPS visualisations, screen transitions, ... |
| 20:52:29 | gevaerts | The idea is *not* (although I don't want to exclude it totally right now) to allow e.g. multiple games and switch between them |
| 20:53:46 | gevaerts | Imagine things like running something like the current FFT plugin somewhere in the WPS. Being able to load that plugin into the WPS buffer makes that easy to do |
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| 20:54:19 | gbl08ma | so, the idea is to make memory allocation a bit less fixed? |
| 20:54:51 | gevaerts | Currently you'd have to either allocate a new WPS visualisation buffer that's wasted space for anyone who doesn't want this sort of thing, or use the existing plugin buffer, which means no more battery bench. Either of those also means you can only have one of those plugins at a time |
| 20:55:52 | gevaerts | Yes and no. It's more to allow things that the current fixed memory layout doesn't allow at all |
| 20:57:07 | gevaerts | For the really full potential, you'd also need "Port buflib from the pluginlib over to the core and use it to allocate big buffers in a more dynamic way" |
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| 20:58:26 | gbl08ma | as an example: I have a keyboard patch I have applied in my custom builds (it's available in the tracker) that allocates some bytes for the automated word completion (which I don't use). These changes would make the allocation of these bytes for the completion dictionary variable according to the dictionary array size? |
| 20:58:39 | amiconn | Another possibility would be visualisation plugins for the wps |
| 20:59:09 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: the buflib one would allow that sort of thing |
| 20:59:27 | gevaerts | And the plugin one would allow e.g. loadable keyboards |
| 20:59:46 | gbl08ma | amiconn: something that, in my opinion, just drains battery and is fully dispensable, but I know there are many people with the opposite opinion and i respect it |
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| 21:00:01 | amiconn | It would (a) allow to have a few of them in parallel (on large screens, and with a sufficiently powerful cpu, e.g. gigabeat s), and (b) load some game plugin without unloading the visualisation |
| 21:01:00 | gbl08ma | gevaerts: don't we have already loadable keyboards? or are you talking about loadable input methods (who knows, handwriting recognition for touchscreens :)) ? |
| 21:01:14 | gevaerts | We have loadable keyboard *layouts* |
| 21:01:31 | gevaerts | Yes, "input methods" is a better term |
| 21:02:24 | gbl08ma | does the idea for GSoC include having plugins not fixed to a single build (but, perhaps, only to a plugin API version?) |
| 21:02:43 | gevaerts | That's the case now in theory |
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| 21:03:13 | gevaerts | The problem is that the API version has to be bumped manually, and it's hard to predict which changes require such a bump |
| 21:03:39 | gbl08ma | would the changes make installation of precompiled plugins possible? e.g. I download a plugin from the internet and copy to my device... no, that's dreaming too much, right? |
| 21:03:53 | amiconn | It's not really hard imo, but because it's manual it is error prone |
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| 21:04:32 | amiconn | (way) back there even were a few such plugins already |
| 21:04:33 | gevaerts | The problem is that e.g. a function like do_something(struct *some_struct) breaks whenever a member of some_struct changes a tiny bit |
| 21:06:41 | gbl08ma | that tiny bit would need to be enough for bumping the API version. |
| 21:08:27 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 21:09:15 | gevaerts | But the problem is that if you make a change somewhere in a low-level LCD driver, you may not realise that reordering those two variables in a struct you use means that the alignment changes which means that the plugin API breaks |
| 21:09:16 | gbl08ma | perhaps we need a new plugin API versioning system, with major, minor and build fields, like "1.0.2". then each plugin would check if the plugin version meets the minimal API version. |
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| 21:09:31 | gevaerts | The numbering system is there |
| 21:09:45 | gevaerts | It's the detection of when it needs to be bumped that's not there |
| 21:10:18 | gbl08ma | well i got to go |
| 21:10:23 | gbl08ma | thanks for your time :) |
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| 21:17:23 | 36DABC0Z8 | Hey |
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| 21:19:17 | silbo | Hey, I am trying to update the powermgmt and wanted to know if someone is already working on it? |
| 21:20:05 | gevaerts | Anything specific? |
| 21:20:09 | * | bluebrother wonders what's wrong with powermgmt |
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| 21:22:49 | silbo | I am inventing the calibration curve thing. |
| 21:23:21 | bluebrother | ah, for runtime estimation? |
| 21:23:24 | gevaerts | Ah, the one from MrSomeonesTodoList? |
| 21:23:43 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure nobody is working anywhere near that |
| 21:23:57 | bluebrother | it's always good to see MrSomeone working on something :) |
| 21:24:11 | gevaerts | He's lazy most of the time! |
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| 21:24:26 | bluebrother | indeed, even more lazy than I am! |
| 21:25:04 | silbo | I see xD |
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| 21:28:56 | silbo | / always return 100% if user is norris |
| 21:28:56 | silbo | if( user == "norris" ) return 100; |
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| 21:32:48 | silbo | What is the battery switch all about? |
| 21:34:38 | bluebrother | only 100? Not 120? |
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| 21:36:04 | silbo | Should be over 9000! |
| 21:36:26 | gevaerts | silbo: not sure if it's what you mean, but some players have a switch that cuts off the battery |
| 21:37:04 | silbo | and what is that feture usefull for? |
| 21:37:08 | silbo | feature* |
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| 21:38:15 | gevaerts | It's a hardware thing. They designed the player like that |
| 21:38:28 | gevaerts | But I'm not sure if that's what you were referring to though |
| 21:40:04 | silbo | Yea I am looking at the powermgmt code and it has may battery switch cases |
| 21:40:25 | * | gevaerts looks |
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| 21:40:50 | gevaerts | Can you give an example line number? |
| 21:41:38 | gevaerts | Ah, ok. I think I see... |
| 21:41:50 | gevaerts | HAVE_BATTERY_SWITCH? |
| 21:41:56 | silbo | Yes |
| 21:42:36 | gevaerts | If you look in firmware/export/config/, you'll see that gigabeat f, gigabeat x, and gigabeat s have that, so yes, it's the hardware switch I mentioned |
| 21:44:15 | silbo | ok |
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| 21:45:20 | silbo | So when this switch is off the battery level you read is poridge? |
| 21:46:19 | gevaerts | I guess so. I didn't actually realise that you could use it on external power with the switch off. I'll have to test that one of these days... |
| 21:48:19 | bluebrother | you can do that. |
| 21:48:48 | bluebrother | it was in fact my first experience with the beast −− battery switch was turned off and I was surprised it only turned on when connected to the charger :) |
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| 21:52:03 | silbo | xD |
| 21:52:24 | gevaerts | Good to know. I had one battery eaten by my car (too many short charge cycles), so maybe I'll look into using the thing without battery |
| 21:52:41 | gevaerts | That means instant poweroff with no warning of course |
| 21:54:58 | silbo | Yep |
| 21:55:33 | gevaerts | So no bookmarks |
| 21:55:34 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:55:50 | gevaerts | Oh well, a new battery every now and then isn't *that* expensive |
| 21:56:39 | silbo | Yea, but think of the nature |
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| 22:00:15 | petur | I'm making the histogram meter more general purpose, so I'm removing all _recording references, including those in the LANG IDs. Can I just rename them or will this annoy somebody and must I deprecate the old one and copy it to a new ID? |
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| 22:03:00 | sideral | petur: You'll annoy somebody either way ;) But the right way seems to be to deprecate changing strings |
| 22:04:26 | sideral | petur: Have a look at FS #12003 to see how to (not) use langtool.pl |
| 22:04:34 | petur | I know that is the right (official) way, I was just wondering if I clould get away with just a rename... I guess the feature was introduced too long ago to allow for a simple rename :/ |
| 22:05:12 | gevaerts | Rule one for getting away with things: don't ask about them first :) |
| 22:05:30 | petur | meh |
| 22:06:59 | sideral | bertrik: Please consider backporting r29619 to the 3.8 branch |
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| 22:07:34 | gevaerts | We should probably think seriously about 3.8.1 |
| 22:07:52 | saratoga | IMO it would be nice to wait until the AMSv2 disk issues are stabilized |
| 22:08:06 | saratoga | since at this point AMS is probably like half our userbase and they're fairly serious |
| 22:08:09 | gevaerts | yes |
| 22:08:13 | Ubunewb | hey everyone! I can't boot my original firmware after I installed rockbox on my ipod mini 2g, anyone know why? |
| 22:08:23 | saratoga | probably did something wrong |
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| 22:12:03 | bluebrother | Ubunewb: I remember having such an issue myself. But that's literally years ago now. |
| 22:12:28 | bluebrother | didn't bother much about that though. I think I Ã"fixed" it with the reinstall when swapping the disk in the player |
| 22:13:09 | Ubunewb | so just reinstalled everything including original firmware and rockbox? |
| 22:13:14 | gevaerts | Ubunewb: what happens if you set the hold switch and then plug it in? |
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| 22:14:10 | bluebrother | Ubunewb: no, I swapped the drive and started from scratch using a manual restore |
| 22:14:49 | petur | sideral: that's interesting... it means that if I deprecate the string, it will get removed and break voice files.... so I might as well just rename |
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| 22:15:16 | sideral | petur: Not if you do it right |
| 22:15:36 | petur | If I rename it will keep the IDs and not break anything |
| 22:15:41 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: without shutting down the ipod before that? well it connects in rockbox mode |
| 22:15:53 | gevaerts | Ubunewb: sorry, after shutting down |
| 22:16:02 | petur | sideral: ah, right, only if you deprecate using genlang |
| 22:16:16 | petur | (will it break) |
| 22:16:17 | sideral | right |
| 22:16:51 | sideral | saratoga: funman's latest patch apparently fixes AMSv2 SD for me |
| 22:16:56 | saratoga | nice! |
| 22:17:13 | saratoga | did you have teh database rebuild issue too? |
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| 22:17:47 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: it shows the apple sign and after a few seconds shows the support link from apple... |
| 22:17:51 | sideral | saratoga: no (AFAIR), I only observed it when using USB, especially when doing fsck |
| 22:18:00 | Ubunewb | oh now its in original firmware usb mode |
| 22:18:09 | sideral | probably because fsck reads the boot sector backup at the end of the disk |
| 22:18:11 | saratoga | ok so that bug may still be present |
| 22:18:30 | gevaerts | Ubunewb: ok. If you now unplug, do you end up in the OF normally? |
| 22:18:32 | sideral | saratoga: yeah; just wanted to post an update to that tracker item |
| 22:18:45 | sideral | FS #11965 |
| 22:18:52 | saratoga | frustrating that i can't seem to be able to reproduce the DB issues |
| 22:19:42 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: after I ejected the ipod, the apple sign appears, but it seems that it can't move on further |
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| 22:20:03 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: the backlight turns on and off after some time, but nothing more |
| 22:20:21 | gevaerts | Ubunewb: hm, yes, in that case I'd do a full reinstall. That's not normal |
| 22:20:27 | Ubunewb | just like when I try to get into original firmware without pluggin it into usb |
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| 22:20:35 | sideral | saratoga: Same here. But I've come to the view that typically the DB is not at fault; it's just the first thing that crashes as it's the 1st piece of code that stresses the system |
| 22:21:08 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: so using itunes to restore the original firmware, and then install rockbox? so occasionally that bug happens? |
| 22:21:17 | sideral | saratoga: Over-generalizing from the two DB issues I've helped debug in the past few weeks :) |
| 22:21:34 | Ubunewb | gevaerts: because after unstalling the bootloader, the original firmware works just fine |
| 22:21:36 | saratoga | yeah i don't doubt that disk issues will crash teh db before anything else |
| 22:21:49 | gevaerts | Ubunewb: hm. I haven't heard about this before |
| 22:21:56 | gevaerts | So maybe wait for some more advice |
| 22:22:12 | Ubunewb | seems like there is some issue with the boot loader |
| 22:22:17 | Ubunewb | but thanks for your help |
| 22:22:45 | saratoga | i kind of doubt theres an issue with the bootloader |
| 22:22:55 | saratoga | its been like 3 years since anyone touched it, someone would have noticed by now |
| 22:24:12 | sideral | saratoga: Well, I touched it, which is why I'm watching out for problems with it :) |
| 22:25:04 | gevaerts | sideral: the ipod bootloader? |
| 22:25:15 | sideral | gevaerts: No, the DB |
| 22:28:03 | silbo | powermgmt_est_runningtime_min = (100 - level)*battery_capacity*60 |
| 22:28:04 | silbo | / 100 / (CURRENT_MAX_CHG - runcurrent()) |
| 22:28:04 | silbo | can't this end up dividing by 0 ? |
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| 22:32:29 | gevaerts | silbo: I suspect not, because runcurrent() doesn't measure |
| 22:33:26 | saratoga | isn't runcurrent going to be pretty small, something like 20-40mA, whereas charge current is probably several hundred mA |
| 22:33:37 | gevaerts | That too |
| 22:35:43 | silbo | Yea charge is max 350mA |
| 22:36:08 | saratoga | i guess if you're worried double check how runcurrent is set |
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| 22:37:06 | sideral | saratoga: Re ClipV2 background hissing noise: Last night funman confirmed that CPU frequency has an effect on the noise. I'll work with this theory and play with the frequencies a bit next |
| 22:39:40 | aclonedsheep | isntalling rockbox now, crossing fingers |
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| 22:54:06 | stripwax | Ubunewb - have you tried a disk scan (chkdsk / fsck.vfat) ? |
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| 23:04:22 | Ubunewb | stripwax: no, you mean the complete disk or just the firmware partition |
| 23:04:51 | stripwax | either/both |
| 23:06:20 | Ubunewb | stripwax: what is the command? sorry, I'm quite new to ubuntu |
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| 23:06:37 | stripwax | i don't use ubuntu, sorry |
| 23:07:42 | bluebrother | Ubunewb: fsck.vfat /dev/sdb2 |
| 23:07:51 | bluebrother | replace sdb with your real drive |
| 23:09:53 | Ubunewb | bluebrother: thx, actually it is sdb |
| 23:11:55 | Ubunewb | ok, its says /dev/sdf2: 555 files, 149102/987959 clusters |
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| 23:13:03 | Ubunewb | and for the firmware partition, it says Too many clusters (999871) for FAT16 filesystem. |
| 23:13:59 | Ubunewb | Logical sector size (23597 bytes) is not a multiple of the physical sector size. |
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| 23:19:59 | wodz | I run first "useful" code on rockchip player :-) It blinks backlight and the delay utilizes timer0 |
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| 23:20:15 | n1s | wodz: congrats! |
| 23:20:30 | Ubunewb | well I gotta go offline, thanks for your help so far |
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| 23:24:26 | StefARM | Hi... i've been hanging out for a couple of days around here but not much was mentioned about gSoC. I, for one, am very interested in a particular project (with a couple of expansion ideas, too) but no one seemed to bring the topic up. So if there are any devs lurking about, I could use some idea-sharing :) |
| 23:25:04 | saratoga | sure just mention what you're interested in |
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| 23:31:26 | ScarabDrowner | I've noticed an issue with the Clip+ player. When I plug my USB-powered speakers into the Clip+, the sound comes through normally. However, if I plug another USB cable into my computer, and connect it to the Clip+ for power, the audio cuts out. If I power the Clip+ from a USB phone charger, the audio works properly. For some reason if both the speakers and Clip+ are powered from a computer, the audio doesn't work, save for a regular popping sound. |
| 23:32:06 | ScarabDrowner | I should clarify, this happens only when using Rockbox, and not when using the original firmware. |
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| 23:35:58 | StefARM | saratoga: sorry for the 6 min break. As I was saying: "sansa's various docks". The most probable protocols used in communications would be rs232 or i2c (usb is way to expensive implementation-wise to put on large scale production just for some relatively simple controls). But after cracking the 'phrasing' of the protocol, I was thinking that a standalone docking-station-emulator could be implemented. I personally am a fan of the ARM |
| 23:37:10 | saratoga | StefARM: cut off after "I personally am a fan of the ARM" |
| 23:37:40 | StefARM | sorry ? |
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| 23:38:54 | saratoga | oh was that the entire message? |
| 23:39:00 | StefARM | saratoga: was the message too long ? |
| 23:39:09 | saratoga | yes IRC messages have a length limit |
| 23:39:13 | saratoga | did you mean to say more |
| 23:39:18 | StefARM | saratoga: no.. actually not... let me copy paste :) i guess it's the web client |
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| 23:40:45 | StefARM | saratoga: [continued-0] I personally am a fan of the ARM platform... and with a Cortex Mx processor that would be handy to implement (the standalone emulator). This would prove useful in a couple of ways: |
| 23:41:46 | StefARM | [continued-1] First of all, a better understanding of the Arm core by the community. This would surely aid in future development, given the popularity of arms in this kind of application |
| 23:41:49 | ScarabDrowner | Never mind, the same thing happens on originial firmware as well, if I can keep it from 'connecting' to the computer, the music cuts out and all that's left is a regular popping sound. Seems it's hardware and not firmware |
| 23:42:29 | saratoga | StefARM: we don't have any cortex-m devices, I think they don't run the ARM isa but some microcontroller one |
| 23:43:15 | saratoga | but either project would be considered if you're interested in them |
| 23:43:20 | n1s | i think they are thumb2 only |
| 23:43:37 | n1s | so yeah, different isa |
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| 23:43:49 | StefARM | saratoga: I was thinking at the cortex because I would have 4 types of platforms lying around... |
| 23:44:16 | saratoga | the goal of the emulator project is to emulate a specific mp3 player, not just an arm processor |
| 23:44:22 | saratoga | there are already many arm emulators for that |
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| 23:45:43 | StefARM | I think i dintn't make myself clear enough... sorry for that. I was actually talking about the reverse engineering project (the one with the docking stations) and how could a standalone separate platform could aid in data logging and/or signal replication for testing... |
| 23:46:33 | StefARM | not about the arm emulator project, which i suspect is way over my head :laughs: |
| 23:49:04 | StefARM | The main idea would be that in the process of reverse engineering the comm protocol, a separate platform with a couple of UARTS open could be used as a sniffer and data-packager between the two devices, and also as a logger .. |
| 23:49:17 | StefARM | ...sending data to a pc for analysis etc. |
| 23:50:56 | StefARM | I have at my disposal a couple of oscilloscopes (even a 500mhz one) .. but I'm guessing not many people can take advantage of a logic analyzer or an oscilloscope for future testing/debugging or for new docking stations that may or may not come out on the market |
| 23:52:03 | saratoga | ah ok that makes more sense |
| 23:52:15 | saratoga | yeah you'd likely need someway to record communication |
| 23:52:23 | StefARM | thus the need for a configurable logic analyzer replacement - with configurable interfaces, baud rates etc from a host pc. |
| 23:52:34 | saratoga | although if its really rs232, it might be easier to just use a PC with a serial port as the snooper |
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| 23:53:26 | StefARM | of course |
| 23:53:29 | saratoga | i think a very good qualification task for this project would be to look at the sandisk firmware and verify what protocol its using |
| 23:54:08 | saratoga | or i guess an accessory if you already have one |
| 23:55:07 | StefARM | to be honest, i have neither. But will look into it, though |
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| 23:56:26 | saratoga | you don't have a sandisk player? |
| 23:57:06 | StefARM | at the moment, no |
| 23:57:17 | saratoga | why the interest in accessories for them then? |
| 23:57:39 | gevaerts | "communication protocols" I guess? |
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