#rockbox 2011-03-21

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#rockbox log for 2011-03-21

00:00:33	StefARM	i guess this particular project was the most appealing (hack-wise and hardware-wise) i could find :) I'm a soon-to-be software bachelor, but i rather work with the scope... so i guess comm protocols and embedded might explain my interest
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00:06:08	gevaerts	StefARM: to be honest I'm not convinced that such an external board is really needed
00:07:16	gevaerts	I'd say step one is to identify what they're doing on a low level (i.e. is it a simple serial protocol, or USB?). Then you figure out how to sniff the thing. If it's simple serial at low rates, that doesn't need much
00:08:15	gevaerts	After that it's a matter of collecting more docks, or users with more docks, collecting data, and then writing code
00:08:31	saratoga	also, figuring out how to access the port on one of the sandisk devices
00:09:03	gevaerts	Yes, that too
00:09:40	saratoga	thats likely to involve digging through the official firmware
00:10:11	saratoga	although since we have the datasheet for the as3525 and some nice tools for parsing the OF hopefully that won't be too bad
00:10:28	gevaerts	Maybe. That depends on which device you're looking at and how the protocol works
00:10:48	saratoga	yeah hopefully we'll get lucky and can just grep for the serial port base register :)
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00:11:20	saratoga	although i suppose it could be GPIO as well, theres a few GPIO pins that are unaccounted for
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00:14:08	StefARM	saratoga: i doubt they wouldn't use a standard in favor of flickering gpio's. just my two cents...Anyway for now, i guess i'll employ my best google searching skills yet to get a grasp of the problem at hand :)
00:14:55	gevaerts	Sounds like a plan :)
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00:45:01	aclonedsheep	wow thats weird, i safely removed my clip+ and it reverted back to stock firmware...rockbox went away lol
00:45:18	aclonedsheep	rebooted lol
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00:45:23	aclonedsheep	the dual boot i guess
00:46:01	gevaerts	Nothing weird about it. Rockbox doesn't do USB on the clip+ yet
00:46:42	aclonedsheep	it was just unexpected cuz im so new to this
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01:11:12	*	kugel thinks the mentor/backup mentor ratio isn't very healthy
01:11:58	gevaerts	kugel: why? There's a guaranteed backup for everyone! :)
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01:17:37	JdGordon\|	its a simple fix, remove all montors and we are flooded with backups being forced to mentors
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01:21:07	gevaerts	saratoga: I'm not sure if such quick locking is a good idea
01:21:14	saratoga	i didn't lock it
01:21:20	gevaerts	hm
01:21:38	gevaerts	oh, maybe JdGordon\| did?
01:21:50	saratoga	i only posted because I got some random message on my cell phone telling me about a thread
01:22:08	saratoga	and i went with the slightly nicer "be less stupid" reply
01:22:28	gevaerts	Sorry, I assumed you did it because I hadn't seen the lock earlier and only noticed it together with your post
01:22:39	JdGordon\|	the quick post box warns if the thread is locked
01:22:44	saratoga	yeah no problem
01:22:49	JdGordon\|	and yes, i locked on my reply
01:23:11	gevaerts	I'd say that lock might explain the report then
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01:24:28	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: I agree that that feature idea needs no further discussion, but I don't agree that your post made that clear enough to warrant a lock
01:24:37	kugel	why lock threads in feature ideas anyway?
01:24:54	JdGordon\|	um, why have the feature request forum anyway?
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01:25:06	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: we don't have a feature request forum
01:25:16	JdGordon\|	anyway, blame gevaerts... I only looked because he mentioned it
01:25:19	kugel	gevaerts: because he can, maybe?
01:25:33	saratoga	a simple "no thats not how computers work, closing this thread" is probably better
01:26:42	gevaerts	saratoga: I think it's likely he reported JdGordon\|'s post instead of replying purely because of the lock, in which case I can understand his thinking. With that interpretation, your post might be a bit harsh
01:26:43	kugel	JdGordon\|: you really reply "FACEPALM" and lock the thread?
01:27:18	JdGordon\|	no, your eyes are lieing to you... I suggest stabbing them with a sharp knife so it doesnt happen again!
01:28:18	kugel	it's not very obvious for us that a thread is locked, is it?
01:28:29	gevaerts	Not really.
01:28:40	kugel	I didn't see it until you mentioned it
01:28:46	gevaerts	I don't really like that the lock button is a toggle either
01:29:33	kugel	JdGordon\|: if you really did this then I wonder where you lost your rationality
01:30:00	gevaerts	Now we don't have to blow this out of proportion either...
01:30:13	JdGordon\|	i tinhk that ship has sailed
01:34:35	saratoga	ha
01:35:36	kugel	JdGordon\|: on a related note; you tend to edit posts of others on the tracker instead of just adding a comment. why?
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03:19:37	number6_	hi everyone. i've received an ipod 4g 20gb model with a busted hard drive. i ordered a 60gb drive to replace it and successfully installed it. the ipod to fat32 page only has partition tables for a 20gb and 40gb 4th gen model. i presume those would not work well, correct? is there another source for this or do i have to use itunes? i've crawled the forums a bit, but i can't locate any information on this. am i asking the wrong question?
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04:14:16	edboyer93	I just installed the current build and now it doesn't detect my microsdhc card.
04:14:30	edboyer93	and it is a Clip+
04:15:06	JdGordon\|	i tihnk there is current known issue with the that
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04:15:26	JdGordon\|	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11870 possibly
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04:17:41	edboyer93	I had r29554 on it last and it was detected then
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04:25:26	edboyer93	With 3.7.1 my SD card wasn't detected and with 3.8 it had the memory corrupting issue. So I guess I'm stuck until it is fixed, unless there is another build I could try.
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05:57:37	laddha	hello ChanServ
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06:04:19	laddha	I want to work on ARM Emulator for GSOC.I have experience of working with embedded microcontrollers as well as I know C and ARM assembly language.I wanted to know about the other skills useful for this project.
06:05:10	JdGordon\|	thats the main ones
06:07:30	laddha	I have read the overview of project but I am not able to fully understand the project.so can you please clarify the project.
06:09:27	JdGordon\|	which part?
06:09:33	JdGordon\|	that one is pretty open ended I tihnk
06:10:17	JdGordon\|	your best bet is to email the dev mailing list
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06:15:29	laddha	thank you JdGordan
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10:08:21	sevendeuce	hey anyone here :)
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10:09:07	socketguru	lol
10:09:20	sevendeuce	well most of the time people just idle
10:09:28	sevendeuce	so i figured id ask
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10:10:52	sevendeuce	well then here is mine :P any way to customize the controls? im looking to swap my play and select button to be exact.
10:11:12	[Saint]	Not without compiling your own build.
10:12:34	[Saint]	Which requires a development environment on your OS, and the Rockbox source. Changing the keymap is rather trivial.
10:13:37	[Saint]	what OS do you use sevendeuce?
10:13:47	sevendeuce	everything
10:13:51	sevendeuce	:)
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10:14:02	sevendeuce	well ubuntu osx and windows
10:14:18	sevendeuce	7 vista xp
10:14:28	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
10:14:50	sevendeuce	i was googling it thanks for the link
10:15:10	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers is the "broader spectrum"
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10:15:49	sevendeuce	I'm just an advanced user, definitely not at a developer level. aprreciate all the help
10:18:43	sevendeuce	:/ looks like this will take a while. I have to wake up in 3 hours for work. I'll be back on tommorow to pester everyone here for any help i need during the process
10:18:45	sevendeuce	night all
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10:22:27	Luca_S	hello everybody. latest svn broke uSD on my FuzeV2 :( it isn't recognized anymore on startup, while it works if I hotplug it. unluckily I don't have time to bisect right now, but it was working with r29613, so it must be one of the recent changes.
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10:24:20	Luca_S	bertrik (for the logs): the patch you linked here yesterday has no effect both on normal usage (it still works), and on my problems (DB init still hangs, uSD still not recognized at boot with r29625)
10:24:27	Luca_S	goodbye
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12:41:27	StefARM_	could some one give me some pointers regarding where I could find a used/refurbished/new 'sansa base station' or an altec lansing 'im413'? (eventually deliverable to the central europe area). i've been searching my brains out to no avail
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13:47:15	slater57	hello everybody i need some help. i managed to get rockbox as app working on my samsung player, i compiled it but i couldn't figure out where the button map for rockbox as app is.
13:48:58	[Saint]	the screen will use grid mode in the .wps if there's no touch regios specified, or if it's specifically enabled.
13:49:16	[Saint]	it's a 3x3 grid, but...even I', unsure of the layout.
13:49:20	[Saint]	*I'm
13:49:46	[Saint]	I think the manual of a released touch target can enlighten me.
13:54:14	slater57	ok and for the button map any ideas?
13:54:53	[Saint]	you mean the hardware buttons?
13:55:26	slater57	yes sir
13:55:42	slater57	its raap
13:55:52	slater57	as applicatiob
13:57:16	n1s	slater57: what platform is it running on?
13:57:21	[Saint]	menu toggles between the main menu and the last accessed screen, back backs out of a screen or menu or directory by one level, HW volume buttons are unsurprisingly volume...and, that's it I think.
13:57:30	slater57	its running linux 2.6.24 embeeded arm
13:57:45	n1s	slater57: so sdl?
13:57:48	slater57	yes
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13:58:10	n1s	i think you need to write some button map then
13:58:22	[Saint]	Oh, ah...that changes things, I've no idea about HW keys there.
13:59:09	slater57	ok which file can take a look to see how it works? also do you guys have an idea how to get the key codes?
13:59:36	JdGordon\|	can i interest any of the android port devs in a puzzle? figure out why my/mcuelenrenes patch no worky?
13:59:39	slater57	i was think about sdl test: checkkeys shouldn't this print out the keys i pressed so i can make buttonmap
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14:00:46	slater57	n1s:which file holds the current buttonmap because when i build on linux x86 the app has a button map on the arrow keys
14:09:37	slater57	test
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14:10:43	mshathlonxp	what does mpegplayer do when video is smaller than screen size?
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14:15:47	Llorean	Centers it, I believe
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14:18:05	mshathlonxp	and I guess decoding speed depends on pixel count in video?
14:20:34	Llorean	Primarily, yes.
14:21:18	slater57	is it possible to edit the button-target.h in /hosted/sdl/app/ ?
14:21:34	mshathlonxp	and is there any speed difference between mpeg1 and mpeg2?
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14:25:25	Llorean	mshathlonxp: Probably, but I can't tell you how much, if it's even noticeable. Why not just do some tests on whichever player you have?
14:32:22	mshathlonxp	I'll have to do :)
14:33:35	mshathlonxp	because I now reanimated my ipod video and it's not enough powerful to simply play video on it's full screen :)
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14:43:26	n1s	slater57: i don't remember where it is in the source exactly
14:50:59	slater57	n1s: ok thank you
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15:04:49	linuxstb	mshathlonxp: I would be surprised if mpeg1 gave any noticable speedup - a lot of the work of the video player happens after the video has been decoded (converting from YUV to RGB and writing to the LCD), and that will be identical for both.
15:06:44	slater57	is there a way to figure out the current key numbers in linux?
15:07:00	slater57	i mean the keymap with hexcode the key represents
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15:18:29	mshathlonxp	interesting
15:19:20	mshathlonxp	when scrolling ipod video connected to my slackwared box, it even shows some kind of "volume bar", only it doesn't works, while 1g nano does nothing
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15:31:52	tga0	hello
15:33:14	tga0	is there a way to bypass the rockbox loader and load the original firmware?
15:33:31	tga0	on a sansa clip v2
15:33:44	gevaerts	Yes. The manual knows which button to hold
15:34:11	tga0	huh, must have missed that
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15:34:45	tga0	the original firmware comes up and it 'refreshes the library' forever
15:35:28	tga0	refreshing my media to be precise
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15:57:24	sideral	tga0: One of your files has metadata the OF cannot parse.
15:58:11	tga0	sideral: I'm trying to figure out whether I can disable the parsing altogether
15:58:29	tga0	afaict Rockbox doesn't do USB on clip v2s, so it starts the original firmware
15:58:45	tga0	and that starts to index the library even though I don't want that
15:58:47	sideral	There's apparently a trick that involves filling the disk −− this makes the OF's DB update fail
15:59:01	sideral	after which you reboot to Rockbox
15:59:30	tga0	rockbox works fine, I just can't copy files in/out
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15:59:48	wtachi	isn't there a way to prevent the OF refreshing the library?
15:59:49	sideral	You can also try enabling Rockbox USB for the ClipV2. It's quite stable now −− at least for me :)
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16:00:22	tga0	can I enable it in software or do I need to do anything funny?
16:00:31	*	tga0 just upgraded to the latest rockbox build
16:01:04	sideral	You need to patch the source code −− see FS #12001, use patch 0001
16:01:25	sideral	Unfortunately, need to go offline now for a couple of hours. Will be back later
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16:03:14	wtachi	tga0: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Formatting_a_Player_that_cannot_get_past_the_Database_Refresh_in_the_OF
16:03:35	wtachi	might help
16:03:56	tga0	hmm so a format might help
16:04:03	tga0	if it's not a file but the fs itself
16:08:03	wtachi	a format probably isn't necessary, but could be easier if you can't find the offending file
16:09:19	tga0	can I format the SD directly in rockbox?
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16:15:14	wtachi	doesn't look like it
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16:17:08	tga0	indeed
16:17:25	tga0	I'll need to find a reader and an adapter and wipe the SD clean from a computer
16:17:51	tga0	I tried unplugging from USB but I still get the refresh thing
16:18:28	tga0	maybe if I upgrade the OF
16:18:55	tga0	nice hardware, crappy software
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16:22:36	tga0	that would explain a few things
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18:04:20	sideral	wtachi, tga0: On some Sansa players, apparently you can foil the OF's DB update by doing a firmware upgrade but then never going beyond the language-selection screen. Don't know whether that works for the ClipV2 as well, though.
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18:16:09	StefARM	[repost from 12:41 gmt+2] could some one give me some pointers regarding where I could find a used/refurbished/new 'sansa base station' or an altec lansing 'im413'? (eventually deliverable to the central europe area). i've been searching my brains out to no avail
18:17:36	gevaerts	StefARM: if you can't find any that ships to you, there's always the option of having a rockbox developer elsewhere receive it and forward it to you
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18:20:48	StefARM	gevaerts: i was hoping of getting a before-hand view of the comm protocol, maybe some preliminary findings until the 28th. i've found a 250 but not a docking station anuwhere nearby (geographical reference: Romania)
18:22:24	StefARM	and amazon is quite poor on this topic: they don't have neither the timex, the altec nor the sandisk
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18:25:28	saratoga	looking online its not easy to find those stations
18:25:48	saratoga	although since they're about 4-5 years old i guess that makes sense
18:25:58	gevaerts	It looks like your idea of designing your own might end up being profitable :)
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18:28:35	tga0	StefARM: what do you want to dock?
18:29:21	StefARM	it's hard to come up on the market with a competitive product :) but thanks for the hint. who knows, maybe one day. the usb and audio signals are forwarded, and you're left with implementing the remote
18:30:03	tga0	StefARM: I see IM510s around, but don't know what you're looking for
18:30:50	StefARM	tga0: a sansa 250 for starters... but i'm interested in one with a remote (see rockbox's gsoc ideas)
18:31:50	tga0	humm, I see
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18:50:27	bluebroth3r	[Saint]: I'm trying to switch Rockbox Utility to use QuaZip. Extracting works so far, and it doesn't have a problem with iLike.
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18:55:54	mshathlonxp	interesting
18:56:48	mshathlonxp	it appears that when ipod is mounted during playback, it's mounted as read only - is that intentionaly?
18:57:23	bluebroth3r	huh? You can't mount the Ipod while it is playing back music
18:58:03	mshathlonxp	I can plug it in and it switches to USB mode - but read only
18:58:40	bluebroth3r	ah, but Rockbox has to stop playback then :)
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18:59:10	mshathlonxp	I'm not talking about playback but about mounting as read only
18:59:36	bluebroth3r	sorry, was slightly confused.
18:59:44	bluebroth3r	but that's an interesting behaviour.
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19:00:15	mshathlonxp	but maybe that has something to do with my slackware
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19:02:53	bertrik	I think I'll use an ugly workaround for 3.8.1 to at least make it work and try to fix things in trunk (with possibly temporary breakage)
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19:07:04	AlexP	mshathlonxp: If linux mounts as read only it normally means a problem with the filesystem
19:07:13	AlexP	try fsck.vfat
19:07:51	saratoga	does QuaZip support 7z? that would be nice to have so we could save some bandwidth
19:08:25	bluebroth3r	saratoga: no, unfortunately not.
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19:09:52	mshathlonxp	well, I've experienced read only mounting with my nano as well, but I think that was once as well
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19:33:05	sideral	bertrik: I think that's a good approach. Which ugly workaround are you going to backport −− the 10ms (?) delay?
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19:33:45	bertrik	sideral, yes (100 ms)
19:34:02	sideral	go for it
19:34:53	sideral	bertrik: Also, funman's SD fix should be backported
19:35:26	bertrik	indeed
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19:40:22	sideral	bertrik: From my point of view, we're good for enabling Rockbox USB (on the trunk) for at least the ClipV2, if not for all AMSv2 players. AFAIK the only remaining issue is that sometimes Windows only manages to make a slow-speed connection, which I think is tolerable
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19:46:22	bertrik	sideral, I don't really know the issues surrounding AMSv2 USB
19:48:55	bertrik	hm, my 8 GB sandisk uSD just works like it's supposed to, I hoped it wouldn't work so I can fix it
19:49:23	sideral	bertrik: buy a cheaper, larger SD card ;)
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20:17:32	phcoder	Hello, guys. I've seen that there is some support for ipod 6G. Thank you a lot for this. I don't have mine here right now but this weekend I'll play with it. Perhaps I'll be able to help in the form of some bugfixes or code contribution
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20:25:08	pixelma	bertrik, sideral: did you read logs? I believe there were two reports about microSDs not working correctly now after the recent fixes which worked before
20:25:35	pixelma	with a Fuze, I think
20:26:24	pixelma	and a Clip+ (this night, 4:something in the logs)
20:27:01	pixelma	10:something about a FuzeV2
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20:29:41	sideral	interesting, thanks for the heads up pixelma.
20:31:31	slater87	short question where can i define key hex codes for sdl application?
20:33:41	thomasjfox	slater87: firmware/target/hosted/sdl/app/button-application.c might be a start
20:33:50	thomasjfox	slater87: If I understood you correctly ;)
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20:34:34	slater87	yeah thats what i read but its not present in the newest release
20:35:21	thomasjfox	slater87: newest release = SVN or 3.8?
20:35:31	slater87	svn
20:35:51	slater87	i foun button-target.h with hexcodes defines that could be it
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20:36:09	thomasjfox	button-application.c must be next to it
20:36:40	thomasjfox	notice: it's -target in the header and -application in the implementation file
20:37:07	ThomasAH	android build from current svn: When I try to do "make apk" I get AAPT bin/resources.ap_ W/asset ( 3052): Asset path /home/thomas/android/android-sdk-linux_x86//platforms/android-11/android.jar is neither a directory nor file (type=1). ERROR: Asset package include '/home/thomas/android/android-sdk-linux_x86//platforms/android-11/android.jar' not found. make: *** [/home/thomas/android/rockbox/rockbox.hg/build-android/bin/resources.ap_] Error 1
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20:37:15	ThomasAH	before that no problems, any idea?
20:37:44	thomasjfox	ThomasAH: There was an upgrade of the needed SDK version IIRC
20:37:58	thomasjfox	android-11 smells like that
20:38:24	ThomasAH	I only have android-10 android-3 android-4 android-7 android-8 android-9 android-Honeycomb ... will rockbox only work with -11? (is this android 3.0?)
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20:39:02	ThomasAH	or do I confuse SDK and NDK levels?
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20:39:34	thomasjfox	ThomasAH: I think this is just needed to compile code that only gets activated on honeycomb
20:39:38	thomasjfox	Might be wrong on this one
20:39:42	slater87	thanks found it
20:41:10	ThomasAH	thomasjfox: I have android-sdk_r09-linux_x86.tgz and I used "tools/android update sdk −−no-ui −−filter platform,tool" today, so I thought it should be new enough
20:41:28	thomasjfox	ThomasAH: There was a mail on rockbox-dev about it
20:41:55	thomasjfox	ThomasAH: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2011-03/0072.shtml
20:42:02	ThomasAH	thomasjfox: thanks
20:42:44	ThomasAH	ah, update sdk ... the readme's hint might need to include that, too
20:43:47	ThomasAH	running without −−filter platform,tool now ...
20:44:33	ThomasAH	burn, disk space, burn! :)
20:44:38	sideral	pixelma: This seems to be exactly what is also tracked in FS #11870, and bertrik seems to be on the case
20:45:25	Leif	Does the configure script (in the tools directory) make the build debuggable by default? (On the simulator at least?)
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20:46:46	slater87	thomasjfox: i am able to run my sdl app on my arm samsung yp-r0 player and screen is working. do you know if it is possible to use sdl test app checkkeys in order to get the button mapping and then just use these buttons definied in SDL.h and replace them in button-applications.c?
20:47:43	Leif	I ask because I get this: http://pastebin.com/2GKVAm5g
20:48:14	Leif	(And the simulator just stays at the startup screen (with rockbox) for eternity (or until I kill gdb)
20:48:15	Leif	)
20:48:26	Leif	rockbox logo*
20:48:45	thomasjfox	Leif: you'll need a "handle SIGUSR1 nostop pass" in gdb
20:48:58	thomasjfox	Leif: Or compile rockbox with "−−sdl-threads"
20:49:28	thomasjfox	slater87: Using the symbolic names from SDL.h is the way to go
20:49:49	thomasjfox	slater87: (dunno if the name is SDL.h, might be SDL_keys.h or something like that)
20:50:10	slater87	thomasjfox: Thanks this is exactly what i needed (i think its sdl_keysym.h)
20:50:13	Leif	thomasjfox, Mmm...okay. I'm a bit new to gdb, do you have a link o how to do that? Thanks.
20:50:33	thomasjfox	Leif: It's really easy
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20:50:52	thomasjfox	Leif: just type exactly what I wrote you before you type "run"
20:51:03	Leif	Oh, okay, thanks.
20:51:44	Leif	thomasjfox, It works now, thanks
20:51:57	thomasjfox	Leif: Have fun debugging ;)
20:52:08	Leif	joy...thanks. :)
20:52:20	slater87	thomasjfox: is it possible to write a plugin which is just a c programm or shell script?
20:52:29	thomasjfox	kugelp: I tried the android build from 16.03.2011 on my neighbours phone
20:52:49	thomasjfox	kugelp: It shows the rockbox logo and then the screen goes black
20:53:30	thomasjfox	kugelp: Didn't investigate if it's a real display bug or the screensaver kicked in because it's stuck somewhere
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20:56:26	silbo	Hey guys.
20:56:54	silbo	I am really busy at school at the moment, so mr someones battery curve calibration is not going so well
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20:57:28	thomasjfox	slater87: you mean "write a plugin for the button mapping"?
20:58:28	slater87	oh no sorry different topic. I'd like to also (once of course button mapping is done) to provide a script or c programm as there is a common bug in the original firmware which affects only the original application.
20:58:40	slater87	of the samsung firmware not rockbox
20:59:12	AlexP	The OF doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox though
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20:59:27	AlexP	oh sorry, this is RB as an app?
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21:00:05	thomasjfox	AlexP: Yep, he's porting to a new platform
21:00:06	slater87	yes
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21:00:32	AlexP	cool
21:01:09	PerHiero	Can I get some help here?
21:01:09	slater87	yeah i was able to get sdl compiled and the app launched on fb0 (after kernel recompiling with fbcon)
21:01:17	thomasjfox	Guess we'll need a new configure target soon...
21:01:34	slater87	only thing i am stuck atm is the button mapping
21:01:50	slater87	alsa should work as well as browsing the files
21:02:01	slater87	managed to get rockbox theme loaded to :)
21:02:01	pixelma	PerHiero: if it's about Rockbox - maybe - but I can't tell until you actually asked ;)
21:02:52	thomasjfox	slater87: If the theme loads, the paths to the share dir are already ok
21:02:54	PerHiero	Hello everybody, I think I have too many fies on my sansa fuze, and cant get rid of them.
21:03:12	thomasjfox	slater87: Might be worth to do the checkkeys trick to get the initial button mapping
21:04:10	slater87	thomasjfox: yes i think i have the problem i am running it in a tty instead of the root console (shouldn't i be able to pick up the mapping in the initial rc scripts as the console is bund)?
21:04:14	bluebroth3r	[Saint]: which version of 7zip did you use for creating iLike.zip?
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21:05:00	thomasjfox	slater87: Running as an ordinary user should be fine, same here on the N900/Pandora
21:05:14	pixelma	PerHiero: can you give some more info? Where you see them, why you think there are too many, where they came from etc. I really have no idea how to help so far :)
21:06:00	PerHiero	pixelma: I try to give more infos
21:06:14	slater87	thomasjfox: problem is my input device is /dev/r0Btn i am not sure if its caught by the console, maybe create a symlink from /dev/input/event0 ?
21:06:59	slater87	thomasjfox: sorry this was a bit confusing. I meant for SDL is there a way to make it use my r0Btn as input device?
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21:08:20	thomasjfox	slater87: I'm no expert on this, guess that should be handled during SDL compilation
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21:08:48	slater87	ok thanks i'll look into the compiling again
21:08:48	silbo	AlexP: hey if I am implementing the battery calibration curve, is this like remembering the last 5 discharge cycles or something?
21:09:16	silbo	and takeing those to account when calculating the battery left in minutes?
21:10:04	thomasjfox	slater87: Or at least some kind of global config setting
21:10:05	AlexP	I'm not sure I follow
21:10:27	gevaerts	silbo: you're implementing this, you decide :)
21:11:04	slater87	thmoasjfox: thank you so much for your help :)
21:11:07	PerHiero	pixelma: yesterday I put the whole hvsc sid collection in my folder MUSIC on the sansa fuze with my ubuntu 10.04 per drag and drop
21:11:44	bertrik	I think it would be nice to have a more dynamic estimation of runtime by seeing how much the battery percentage drains over some time (say 15 min) and extrapolate from that. That means it's no longer necessary to measure or estimate the battery current.
21:13:05	PerHiero	pixelma: then the whole sansa software bat also the rockbox system got pretty slow, all things trying to open last minutes.
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21:14:39	PerHiero	pixelma: then I tried to delete the files while connected to my pc.
21:16:04	PerHiero	pixelma: but after unmounting, and mounting again, all files are still on my fuze.
21:16:32	PerHiero	somebody any idea?
21:16:49	silbo	gevaerts: hmm ok
21:16:59	thomasjfox	slater87: You're welcome
21:18:22	pixelma	PerHiero: you still see them with your PC's file browser? Maybe there are some filesystem problems in your case, but I'm no linux person so can't tell you how to check easily
21:18:46	gbl08ma	PerHiero: I'd say the filesystem is getting mounted as read-only.
21:18:55	n1s	bertrik: a scheme like that would be very sensitive to a spinup or buffer fill happening in those 15 minutes or not
21:19:29	PerHiero	pixelma: ok, I try it with a windows7 laptop of my kid.
21:20:02	bertrik	n1s, you could come up with a smart algorithm (e.g. leave out outliers) to work around that I think
21:20:35	PerHiero	pixelma: thanks for help. I give some feedback later.
21:20:54	PerHiero	;-)
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21:25:15	thomasjfox	does rockbox support "shuffle by album"?
21:25:26	slater87	sorry another question make -j4 -debug works for sdl build as well?
21:25:35	thomasjfox	slater87: yes
21:25:46	thomasjfox	slater87: Dunno about the -debug part
21:25:58	slater87	thomasjfox: thank you sir!
21:27:10	n1s	thomasjfox: yes but it's a bit roundabout involving a plugin for generating a list of dirs in the filesystme and they can then be shuffled
21:27:27	thomasjfox	n1s: What's the name of the plugin?
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21:27:50	AlexP	random_folde_advance or somesuch
21:27:51	n1s	random_folder_something :)
21:28:04	slater87	and there we go again. I had to disable touchscreen in sdlapp.h and edited apps/SOURCES to include keypad and keypad_touchscreen. builds fine exept for the plugin lib keeps bugging. I'll pastbin in a second
21:28:52	slater87	http://pastebin.com/ndj0nDeW
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21:29:23	thomasjfox	slater87: Disable plugins in tools/configure for the first run
21:29:53	Lear	Anyone seeing problems with r29619 on AMSv2?
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21:30:32	Lear	At least that's what I'm guessing causes my SD card to not be detected on boot...
21:31:10	*	thomasjfox thinks random_folder_advance_config is broken on RaaA as I don't have 90.000+ folders on my N900...
21:31:38	thomasjfox	probably the same symlink issue the database init stuff had (fixed by kugelp)
21:31:43	bertrik	Lear, it was supposed to solve problems for some other users
21:32:16	bertrik	it's very tricky to get right when it fixes some problems and introduces others for other people :/
21:32:18	slater87	thanks :) it works
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21:32:48	Lear	I know. But I never had any problems until I installed a new build today...
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21:35:08	thomasjfox	n1s: thanks for the hint
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21:37:37	dheyse	slater87: If you want plugins (with HAVE_TOUCHSCREEN undefined) you'll need to define keys in about 100 files for SDL_PAD or make your own YP-R0_PAD and add keybindings for that.
21:39:36	slater87	YP_R0_PAD should be created where and where does it need to be included? will PAD work with touchscreen enabled without the adjustment?
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21:41:22	dheyse	clone sdlapp.h (like the recent pandora.h) and define YOUR_PAD in there.
21:41:54	slater87	ok i'll start on this once i got my button mapping figured out
21:41:59	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29627): AMSv2 SD: use a sleep instead of a udelay for 100 ms delay
21:42:00	slater87	thank you!
21:42:33	Lear	bertrik: That wouldn't affect my problem, would it?
21:42:41	bertrik	no
21:43:12	slater87	deheyse: #define CONFIG_KEYPAD SDL_PAD could i replace SDL_PAD with mine and make my config?
21:45:18	CIA-2	r29627 build result: All green
21:46:04	dheyse	If you replace it with yours you should track down all SDL_PAD and put in code for yours.
21:46:37	dheyse	I haven't done that yet. Still using SDL_PAD for now, so tell me how it goes...
21:46:55	Lear	bertrik: Hm, I reverted to mci_delay, and it seems like it didn't help...
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21:55:59	Lear	bertrik: Strange, seems like reverting r29625 did the trick.
21:56:31	bertrik	oh, ok. I was just about to backport that to 3.8
21:57:45	ThomasAH	android port compiled and started :) but how am I supposed to select menu items, they are sooo small
21:57:46	Lear	I'll rebuild, just to be sure.
21:58:22	AlexP	ThomasAH: Bigger font, plus there is a menu spacing patch which helps a huge amount
21:58:51	ThomasAH	AlexP: selecting the "font" menu (only about 10 tries :)) does not show any fonts
21:59:06	ThomasAH	do I have to install something other than the .apk?
21:59:08	AlexP	Did you make fullzip?
21:59:20	AlexP	make zip doesn't include fonts, make fullzip does
21:59:29	AlexP	But they are quite large
21:59:43	AlexP	I don't think I've ever done that on android actually
21:59:45	ThomasAH	AlexP: ah, so like the regular builds .. I just followed the android readme
21:59:52	AlexP	ThomasAH: What is your screen res?
21:59:59	ThomasAH	AlexP: 854x480
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22:00:18	AlexP	I suspect there isn't a theme for that, so it has fallen back to default
22:00:28	AlexP	800x480 is OK on font size
22:00:41	ThomasAH	AlexP: could be, the unofficial builds are only up to 800x480
22:00:53	AlexP	yeah, I would bet that is it
22:01:05	AlexP	If you start a song, do you get peak meters?
22:01:18	ThomasAH	AlexP: I did not manage to start a song yet :)
22:01:48	ThomasAH	ah, now I did
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22:02:09	ThomasAH	AlexP: no, looks like on the clip+, just with more free space
22:03:35	Buschel	JdGordon\|: did you see the last comment in FS #11997 ? sounds weird...
22:04:25	wtachi	what's the reason Vorbis optimization isn't on the GSoC ideas list?
22:04:36	wtachi	is there too little room for improvement?
22:04:55	AlexP	ThomasAH: Looks like this on mine (800x480) http://aeparker.com/files/device.png
22:05:34	ThomasAH	AlexP: ah, that would be better ... here the menu items are the size of your clock :)
22:05:46	AlexP	that sounds like fallback indeed
22:06:23	AlexP	ThomasAH: I would have though that for a quick "fix" you could use the 800x480 theme, you will just lose a strip of screen
22:06:30	AlexP	Or adapt from that one anyway
22:06:57	ThomasAH	AlexP: make fullzip does not generate rockbox.zip ... do I need "make zip" afterwards, or something else?
22:07:17	ThomasAH	ah, probably just mv rockbox-full.zip rockbox.zip?
22:07:22	AlexP	yeah
22:07:34	AlexP	or you can make fonts, then just copy them
22:07:45	AlexP	Or indeed just copy the font you want, as all of them would be large
22:07:58	ThomasAH	AlexP: space is not yet a problem for me :)
22:08:05	AlexP	or make font, then put them on SD would work I would guess
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22:10:05	Lear	bertrik: Yep, still works after rebuild/reinstall.
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22:10:34	Buschel	wtachi: Vorbis could be further improved with the MDCT library −− which is a part of GSoC
22:11:07	ThomasAH	AlexP: ah, bigger font, now I can hit menu entries :)
22:11:24	AlexP	Cool :)
22:11:28	bertrik	Lear, so what's your conclusion?
22:11:33	AlexP	ThomasAH: The menu spacing patch is handy
22:11:50	wtachi	Buschel: so that's the lowest-hanging fruit?
22:11:53	AlexP	ThomasAH: It is from kugelp's git, I don't know why it isn't included
22:12:01	AlexP	ThomasAH: I'll pastebin it if you like
22:12:39	ThomasAH	AlexP: yes, would be nice, or URL to the git change
22:12:43	Lear	bertrik: That r29625 breaks sd init on my 32 GB sd card. Don't really know what the code does, so I can't say more. :)
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22:13:10	AlexP	ThomasAH: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/357375/
22:13:27	bertrik	hm, odd, I considered that a no-brainer fix
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22:18:34	ThomasAH	AlexP: I'm compiling with this patch and 480x800 now, 54 pixel rows to be reclaimed soon ...
22:19:08	ThomasAH	(still much more than my clip+ :))
22:19:12	AlexP	Yeah, a quick adapt of the 480x800 theme should sort you out I think :)
22:19:49	Lear	bertrik: Where is numblock initialized, btw?
22:20:21	bertrik	I guess in sd_parse_csd
22:20:41	ThomasAH	AlexP: wow, that's much nicer
22:20:54	AlexP	ThomasAH: yes :)
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22:22:07	Buschel	wtachi: I can tell you what the most_ interesting_ stuff could be -> porting ffmpeg aac to rockbox
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22:22:29	bertrik	Lear, it could be that numblocks is too big and should be adjusted for the firmware size
22:23:11	Lear	bertrik: Well, one idea is that my card needs a couple of retries to be detected properly (boot did seem faster with r29625), and the moved if is what is needed to catch the problem and retry.
22:24:00	ThomasAH	AlexP: PANIC ... is this already worth reporting?
22:24:15	Lear	bertrik: I'm thinking the opposite, numblocks is 0 (or some other small value) for a couple of tries.
22:24:28	AlexP	ThomasAH: I'm not sure what the situation is with android tbh
22:24:48	AlexP	I'm thinking that it is probably advanced enough to make bug reports useful now
22:24:50	bertrik	gevaerts, we do report the total size of sd storage on USB in one of the scsi commands, right?
22:25:05	wtachi	Buschel: I'll keep that in mind
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22:25:11	gevaerts	bertrik: almost certainly!
22:25:14	wtachi	I think I'll ask about the different projects on the mailing list
22:25:26	ThomasAH	AlexP: Hmm, and how do I exit the panic screen?
22:25:37	AlexP	Does home not work?
22:25:38	ThomasAH	AlexP: ah, now home works
22:25:56	AlexP	I guess that, then force stop in settings - applications
22:27:22	bertrik	Lear, looks like a real possibility indeed
22:29:19	bertrik	oh, numblocks is already decremented by the AMS OF SIZE for the internal memory, so that's not a possible cause
22:29:52	ThomasAH	AlexP: ok, thanks for the help, I'll go to bed now as a happy owner of two rockbox devices :)
22:30:13	Buschel	wtachi: without knowing the details about the current state of the WMA Voice port I would expect that finishing it would not be a "lower hanging fruit". this task requires fixed point conversion and optimization. there are a lot of examples for this in rockbox's codecs available
22:30:29	AlexP	ThomasAH: You're welcome :)
22:31:34	wtachi	I wasn't think of WMA Voice, I was just asking whether the MDCT is the best way to improve Vorbis performance
22:32:01	Buschel	wtachi: ah, ok. that's simple -> yes
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22:32:43	wtachi	leaving soon−−thanks for helping
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22:33:08	Buschel	no problem :)
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22:41:31	saratoga	i think Voice should probably be part of a larger project, MT did a lot of the hard stuff already
22:41:53	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29628): AMSv2 SD: wait for previous data transfer completion before sending a command
22:42:01	Buschel	saratoga: btw, has this been posted to flyspray?
22:42:10	saratoga	Buschel: i think its already in SVN
22:42:37	saratoga	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/codecs/libwmavoice/
22:43:02	saratoga	i think you can actually play files in it, provided you have an FPU
22:43:08	saratoga	it probably works in Android
22:43:14	saratoga	or could very easily
22:44:00	Buschel	I see, it is in snv but not compiled in
22:46:18	CIA-2	r29628 build result: All green
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22:57:16	JdGordon\|	Buschel: sounds like a broken skin, although ii dont remember any breaking changes since 3.7?
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22:58:03	Buschel	JdGordon\|: anything that could be caused by endianess?
22:58:42	JdGordon\|	no?
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23:03:09	JdGordon\|	nothing in the skin engine is hardcoded to assume a endieness... im not that smart
23:04:28	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29629): AMSv2 SD: receive sd card command responses during initialisation instead of ignoring them
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23:07:42	CIA-2	r29629 build result: All green
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23:15:58	bertrik	hm I thought there was a requirement in the specification to first send 80 clock cycles before sending the first command, but now I can't find it anymore
23:16:12	bertrik	(sd specification)
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