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#rockbox log for 2011-03-21

00:00:33StefARMi guess this particular project was the most appealing (hack-wise and hardware-wise) i could find :) I'm a soon-to-be software bachelor, but i rather work with the scope... so i guess comm protocols and embedded might explain my interest
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00:06:08gevaertsStefARM: to be honest I'm not convinced that such an external board is really needed
00:07:16gevaertsI'd say step one is to identify what they're doing on a low level (i.e. is it a simple serial protocol, or USB?). Then you figure out how to sniff the thing. If it's simple serial at low rates, that doesn't need much
00:08:15gevaertsAfter that it's a matter of collecting more docks, or users with more docks, collecting data, and then writing code
00:08:31saratogaalso, figuring out how to access the port on one of the sandisk devices
00:09:03gevaertsYes, that too
00:09:40saratogathats likely to involve digging through the official firmware
00:10:11saratogaalthough since we have the datasheet for the as3525 and some nice tools for parsing the OF hopefully that won't be too bad
00:10:28gevaertsMaybe. That depends on which device you're looking at and how the protocol works
00:10:48saratogayeah hopefully we'll get lucky and can just grep for the serial port base register :)
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00:11:20saratogaalthough i suppose it could be GPIO as well, theres a few GPIO pins that are unaccounted for
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00:14:08StefARMsaratoga: i doubt they wouldn't use a standard in favor of flickering gpio's. just my two cents...Anyway for now, i guess i'll employ my best google searching skills yet to get a grasp of the problem at hand :)
00:14:55gevaertsSounds like a plan :)
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00:45:01aclonedsheepwow thats weird, i safely removed my clip+ and it reverted back to stock firmware...rockbox went away lol
00:45:18aclonedsheeprebooted lol
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00:45:23aclonedsheepthe dual boot i guess
00:46:01gevaertsNothing weird about it. Rockbox doesn't do USB on the clip+ yet
00:46:42aclonedsheepit was just unexpected cuz im so new to this
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01:11:12*kugel thinks the mentor/backup mentor ratio isn't very healthy
01:11:58gevaertskugel: why? There's a *guaranteed* backup for everyone! :)
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01:17:37JdGordon|its a simple fix, remove all montors and we are flooded with backups being forced to mentors
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01:21:07gevaertssaratoga: I'm not sure if such quick locking is a good idea
01:21:14saratogai didn't lock it
01:21:38gevaertsoh, maybe JdGordon| did?
01:21:50saratogai only posted because I got some random message on my cell phone telling me about a thread
01:22:08saratogaand i went with the slightly nicer "be less stupid" reply
01:22:28gevaertsSorry, I assumed you did it because I hadn't seen the lock earlier and only noticed it together with your post
01:22:39JdGordon|the quick post box warns if the thread is locked
01:22:44saratogayeah no problem
01:22:49JdGordon|and yes, i locked on my reply
01:23:11gevaertsI'd say that lock might explain the report then
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01:24:28gevaertsJdGordon|: I agree that that feature idea needs no further discussion, but I don't agree that your post made that clear enough to warrant a lock
01:24:37kugelwhy lock threads in feature ideas anyway?
01:24:54JdGordon|um, why have the feature request forum anyway?
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01:25:06gevaertsJdGordon|: we don't have a feature request forum
01:25:16JdGordon|anyway, blame gevaerts... I only looked because he mentioned it
01:25:19kugelgevaerts: because he can, maybe?
01:25:33saratogaa simple "no thats not how computers work, closing this thread" is probably better
01:26:42gevaertssaratoga: I think it's likely he reported JdGordon|'s post instead of replying purely because of the lock, in which case I can understand his thinking. With that interpretation, your post might be a bit harsh
01:26:43kugelJdGordon|: you really reply "*FACEPALM*" and lock the thread?
01:27:18JdGordon|no, your eyes are lieing to you... I suggest stabbing them with a sharp knife so it doesnt happen again!
01:28:18kugelit's not very obvious for us that a thread is locked, is it?
01:28:29gevaertsNot really.
01:28:40kugelI didn't see it until you mentioned it
01:28:46gevaertsI don't really like that the lock button is a toggle either
01:29:33kugelJdGordon|: if you really did this then I wonder where you lost your rationality
01:30:00gevaertsNow we don't have to blow this out of proportion either...
01:30:13JdGordon|i tinhk that ship has sailed
01:35:36kugelJdGordon|: on a related note; you tend to edit posts of others on the tracker instead of just adding a comment. why?
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03:19:37number6_hi everyone. i've received an ipod 4g 20gb model with a busted hard drive. i ordered a 60gb drive to replace it and successfully installed it. the ipod to fat32 page only has partition tables for a 20gb and 40gb 4th gen model. i presume those would not work well, correct? is there another source for this or do i have to use itunes? i've crawled the forums a bit, but i can't locate any information on this. am i asking the wrong question?
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04:14:16edboyer93I just installed the current build and now it doesn't detect my microsdhc card.
04:14:30edboyer93and it is a Clip+
04:15:06JdGordon|i tihnk there is current known issue with the that
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04:15:26JdGordon| possibly
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04:17:41edboyer93I had r29554 on it last and it was detected then
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04:25:26edboyer93With 3.7.1 my SD card wasn't detected and with 3.8 it had the memory corrupting issue. So I guess I'm stuck until it is fixed, unless there is another build I could try.
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05:57:37laddhahello ChanServ
06:04:19laddhaI want to work on ARM Emulator for GSOC.I have experience of working with embedded microcontrollers as well as I know C and ARM assembly language.I wanted to know about the other skills useful for this project.
06:05:10JdGordon|thats the main ones
06:07:30laddhaI have read the overview of project but I am not able to fully understand the can you please clarify the project.
06:09:27JdGordon|which part?
06:09:33JdGordon|that one is pretty open ended I tihnk
06:10:17JdGordon|your best bet is to email the dev mailing list
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06:15:29laddhathank you JdGordan
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10:08:21sevendeucehey anyone here :)
10:08:41*Zagor counts 132 nicks
10:09:20sevendeucewell most of the time people just idle
10:09:28sevendeuceso i figured id ask
10:09:51Zagormost people will keep idling until someone asks a question they can and want to answer :-)
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10:10:52sevendeucewell then here is mine :P any way to customize the controls? im looking to swap my play and select button to be exact.
10:11:12[Saint]Not without compiling your own build.
10:12:34[Saint]Which requires a development environment on your OS, and the Rockbox source. Changing the keymap is rather trivial.
10:13:37[Saint]what OS do you use sevendeuce?
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10:14:02sevendeucewell ubuntu osx and windows
10:14:18sevendeuce7 vista xp
10:14:50sevendeucei was googling it thanks for the link
10:15:10[Saint] is the "broader spectrum"
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10:15:49sevendeuceI'm just an advanced user, definitely not at a developer level. aprreciate all the help
10:18:43sevendeuce:/ looks like this will take a while. I have to wake up in 3 hours for work. I'll be back on tommorow to pester everyone here for any help i need during the process
10:18:45sevendeucenight all
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10:22:27Luca_Shello everybody. latest svn broke uSD on my FuzeV2 :( it isn't recognized anymore on startup, while it works if I hotplug it. unluckily I don't have time to bisect right now, but it was working with r29613, so it must be one of the recent changes.
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10:24:20Luca_Sbertrik (for the logs): the patch you linked here yesterday has no effect both on normal usage (it still works), and on my problems (DB init still hangs, uSD still not recognized at boot with r29625)
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12:41:27StefARM_could some one give me some pointers regarding where I could find a used/refurbished/new 'sansa base station' or an altec lansing 'im413'? (eventually deliverable to the central europe area). i've been searching my brains out to no avail
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13:47:15slater57hello everybody i need some help. i managed to get rockbox as app working on my samsung player, i compiled it but i couldn't figure out where the button map for rockbox as app is.
13:48:58[Saint]the screen will use grid mode in the .wps if there's no touch regios specified, or if it's specifically enabled.
13:49:16[Saint]it's a 3x3 grid, but...even I', unsure of the layout.
13:49:46[Saint]I think the manual of a released touch target can enlighten me.
13:54:14slater57ok and for the button map any ideas?
13:54:53[Saint]you mean the hardware buttons?
13:55:26slater57yes sir
13:55:42slater57its raap
13:55:52slater57as applicatiob
13:57:16n1sslater57: what platform is it running on?
13:57:21[Saint]menu toggles between the main menu and the last accessed screen, back backs out of a screen or menu or directory by one level, HW volume buttons are unsurprisingly volume...and, that's it I think.
13:57:30slater57its running linux 2.6.24 embeeded arm
13:57:45n1sslater57: so sdl?
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13:58:10n1si think you need to write some button map then
13:58:22[Saint]Oh, ah...that changes things, I've no idea about HW keys there.
13:59:09slater57ok which file can take a look to see how it works? also do you guys have an idea how to get the key codes?
13:59:36JdGordon|can i interest any of the android port devs in a puzzle? figure out why my/mcuelenrenes patch no worky?
13:59:39slater57i was think about sdl test: checkkeys shouldn't this print out the keys i pressed so i can make buttonmap
14:00:46slater57n1s:which file holds the current buttonmap because when i build on linux x86 the app has a button map on the arrow keys
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14:10:43mshathlonxpwhat does mpegplayer do when video is smaller than screen size?
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14:15:47LloreanCenters it, I believe
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14:18:05mshathlonxpand I guess decoding speed depends on pixel count in video?
14:20:34LloreanPrimarily, yes.
14:21:18slater57is it possible to edit the button-target.h in /hosted/sdl/app/ ?
14:21:34mshathlonxpand is there any speed difference between mpeg1 and mpeg2?
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14:25:25Lloreanmshathlonxp: Probably, but I can't tell you how much, if it's even noticeable. Why not just do some tests on whichever player you have?
14:32:22mshathlonxpI'll have to do :)
14:33:35mshathlonxpbecause I now reanimated my ipod video and it's not enough powerful to simply play video on it's full screen :)
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14:43:26n1sslater57: i don't remember where it is in the source exactly
14:50:59slater57n1s: ok thank you
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15:04:49linuxstbmshathlonxp: I would be surprised if mpeg1 gave any noticable speedup - a lot of the work of the video player happens after the video has been decoded (converting from YUV to RGB and writing to the LCD), and that will be identical for both.
15:06:44slater57is there a way to figure out the current key numbers in linux?
15:07:00slater57i mean the keymap with hexcode the key represents
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15:19:20mshathlonxpwhen scrolling ipod video connected to my slackwared box, it even shows some kind of "volume bar", only it doesn't works, while 1g nano does nothing
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15:33:14tga0is there a way to bypass the rockbox loader and load the original firmware?
15:33:31tga0on a sansa clip v2
15:33:44gevaertsYes. The manual knows which button to hold
15:34:11tga0huh, must have missed that
15:34:32*tga0 can't get usb storage mode to work anymore
15:34:45tga0the original firmware comes up and it 'refreshes the library' forever
15:35:28tga0refreshing my media to be precise
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15:57:24sideraltga0: One of your files has metadata the OF cannot parse.
15:58:11tga0sideral: I'm trying to figure out whether I can disable the parsing altogether
15:58:29tga0afaict Rockbox doesn't do USB on clip v2s, so it starts the original firmware
15:58:45tga0and that starts to index the library even though I don't want that
15:58:47sideralThere's apparently a trick that involves filling the disk −− this makes the OF's DB update fail
15:59:01sideralafter which you reboot to Rockbox
15:59:30tga0rockbox works fine, I just can't copy files in/out
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15:59:48wtachiisn't there a way to prevent the OF refreshing the library?
15:59:49sideralYou can also try enabling Rockbox USB for the ClipV2. It's quite stable now −− at least for me :)
16:00:22tga0can I enable it in software or do I need to do anything funny?
16:00:31*tga0 just upgraded to the latest rockbox build
16:01:04sideralYou need to patch the source code −− see FS #12001, use patch 0001
16:01:25sideralUnfortunately, need to go offline now for a couple of hours. Will be back later
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16:03:35wtachimight help
16:03:56tga0hmm so a format might help
16:04:03tga0if it's not a file but the fs itself
16:08:03wtachia format probably isn't necessary, but could be easier if you can't find the offending file
16:09:19tga0can I format the SD directly in rockbox?
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16:15:14wtachidoesn't look like it
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16:17:51tga0I tried unplugging from USB but I still get the refresh thing
16:18:28tga0maybe if I upgrade the OF
16:18:55tga0nice hardware, crappy software
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16:22:32tga0I wonder whether the clip just doesn't like 16GB cards
16:22:36tga0that would explain a few things
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18:04:20sideralwtachi, tga0: On some Sansa players, apparently you can foil the OF's DB update by doing a firmware upgrade but then never going beyond the language-selection screen. Don't know whether that works for the ClipV2 as well, though.
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18:16:09StefARM[repost from 12:41 gmt+2] could some one give me some pointers regarding where I could find a used/refurbished/new 'sansa base station' or an altec lansing 'im413'? (eventually deliverable to the central europe area). i've been searching my brains out to no avail
18:17:36gevaertsStefARM: if you can't find any that ships to you, there's always the option of having a rockbox developer elsewhere receive it and forward it to you
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18:20:48StefARMgevaerts: i was hoping of getting a before-hand view of the comm protocol, maybe some preliminary findings until the 28th. i've found a 250 but not a docking station anuwhere nearby (geographical reference: Romania)
18:22:24StefARMand amazon is quite poor on this topic: they don't have neither the timex, the altec nor the sandisk
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18:25:28saratogalooking online its not easy to find those stations
18:25:48saratogaalthough since they're about 4-5 years old i guess that makes sense
18:25:58gevaertsIt looks like your idea of designing your own might end up being profitable :)
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18:28:35tga0StefARM: what do you want to dock?
18:29:21StefARMit's hard to come up on the market with a competitive product :) but thanks for the hint. who knows, maybe one day. the usb and audio signals are forwarded, and you're left with implementing the remote
18:30:03tga0StefARM: I see IM510s around, but don't know what you're looking for
18:30:50StefARMtga0: a sansa 250 for starters... but i'm interested in one with a remote (see rockbox's gsoc ideas)
18:31:50tga0humm, I see
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18:50:27bluebroth3r[Saint]: I'm trying to switch Rockbox Utility to use QuaZip. Extracting works so far, and it doesn't have a problem with iLike.
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18:56:48mshathlonxpit appears that when ipod is mounted during playback, it's mounted as read only - is that intentionaly?
18:57:23bluebroth3rhuh? You can't mount the Ipod while it is playing back music
18:58:03mshathlonxpI can plug it in and it switches to USB mode - but read only
18:58:40bluebroth3rah, but Rockbox has to stop playback then :)
18:58:53*mshathlonxp sighs
18:59:10mshathlonxpI'm not talking about playback but about mounting as read only
18:59:36bluebroth3rsorry, was slightly confused.
18:59:44bluebroth3rbut that's an interesting behaviour.
19:00:15mshathlonxpbut maybe that has something to do with my slackware
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19:01:17*bertrik is slowly getting crazy from AMSv2 sd controller debugging
19:02:53bertrikI think I'll use an ugly workaround for 3.8.1 to at least make it work and try to fix things in trunk (with possibly temporary breakage)
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19:07:04AlexPmshathlonxp: If linux mounts as read only it normally means a problem with the filesystem
19:07:13AlexPtry fsck.vfat
19:07:51saratogadoes QuaZip support 7z? that would be nice to have so we could save some bandwidth
19:08:25bluebroth3rsaratoga: no, unfortunately not.
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19:09:52mshathlonxpwell, I've experienced read only mounting with my nano as well, but I think that was once as well
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19:33:05sideralbertrik: I think that's a good approach. Which ugly workaround are you going to backport −− the 10ms (?) delay?
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19:33:45bertriksideral, yes (100 ms)
19:34:02sideralgo for it
19:34:53sideralbertrik: Also, funman's SD fix should be backported
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19:40:22sideralbertrik: From my point of view, we're good for enabling Rockbox USB (on the trunk) for at least the ClipV2, if not for all AMSv2 players. AFAIK the only remaining issue is that sometimes Windows only manages to make a slow-speed connection, which I think is tolerable
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19:46:22bertriksideral, I don't really know the issues surrounding AMSv2 USB
19:48:55bertrikhm, my 8 GB sandisk uSD just works like it's supposed to, I hoped it wouldn't work so I can fix it
19:49:23sideralbertrik: buy a cheaper, larger SD card ;)
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20:17:32phcoderHello, guys. I've seen that there is some support for ipod 6G. Thank you a lot for this. I don't have mine here right now but this weekend I'll play with it. Perhaps I'll be able to help in the form of some bugfixes or code contribution
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20:25:08pixelmabertrik, sideral: did you read logs? I believe there were two reports about microSDs not working correctly now after the recent fixes which worked before
20:25:35pixelmawith a Fuze, I think
20:26:24pixelmaand a Clip+ (this night, 4:something in the logs)
20:27:01pixelma10:something about a FuzeV2
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20:29:41sideralinteresting, thanks for the heads up pixelma.
20:31:31slater87short question where can i define key hex codes for sdl application?
20:33:41thomasjfoxslater87: firmware/target/hosted/sdl/app/button-application.c might be a start
20:33:50thomasjfoxslater87: If I understood you correctly ;)
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20:34:34slater87yeah thats what i read but its not present in the newest release
20:35:21thomasjfoxslater87: newest release = SVN or 3.8?
20:35:51slater87i foun button-target.h with hexcodes defines that could be it
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20:36:09thomasjfoxbutton-application.c must be next to it
20:36:40thomasjfoxnotice: it's -target in the header and -application in the implementation file
20:37:07ThomasAHandroid build from current svn: When I try to do "make apk" I get AAPT bin/resources.ap_ W/asset ( 3052): Asset path /home/thomas/android/android-sdk-linux_x86//platforms/android-11/android.jar is neither a directory nor file (type=1). ERROR: Asset package include '/home/thomas/android/android-sdk-linux_x86//platforms/android-11/android.jar' not found. make: *** [/home/thomas/android/rockbox/rockbox.hg/build-android/bin/resources.ap_] Error 1
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20:37:15ThomasAHbefore that no problems, any idea?
20:37:44thomasjfoxThomasAH: There was an upgrade of the needed SDK version IIRC
20:37:58thomasjfoxandroid-11 smells like that
20:38:24ThomasAHI only have android-10 android-3 android-4 android-7 android-8 android-9 android-Honeycomb ... will rockbox only work with -11? (is this android 3.0?)
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20:39:02ThomasAHor do I confuse SDK and NDK levels?
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20:39:34thomasjfoxThomasAH: I think this is just needed to compile code that only gets activated on honeycomb
20:39:38thomasjfoxMight be wrong on this one
20:39:42slater87thanks found it
20:41:10ThomasAHthomasjfox: I have android-sdk_r09-linux_x86.tgz and I used "tools/android update sdk −−no-ui −−filter platform,tool" today, so I thought it should be new enough
20:41:28thomasjfoxThomasAH: There was a mail on rockbox-dev about it
20:42:02ThomasAHthomasjfox: thanks
20:42:44ThomasAHah, update sdk ... the readme's hint might need to include that, too
20:43:47ThomasAHrunning without −−filter platform,tool now ...
20:44:33ThomasAHburn, disk space, burn! :)
20:44:38sideralpixelma: This seems to be exactly what is also tracked in FS #11870, and bertrik seems to be on the case
20:45:25LeifDoes the configure script (in the tools directory) make the build debuggable by default? (On the simulator at least?)
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20:46:46slater87thomasjfox: i am able to run my sdl app on my arm samsung yp-r0 player and screen is working. do you know if it is possible to use sdl test app checkkeys in order to get the button mapping and then just use these buttons definied in SDL.h and replace them in button-applications.c?
20:47:43LeifI ask because I get this:
20:48:14Leif(And the simulator just stays at the startup screen (with rockbox) for eternity (or until I kill gdb)
20:48:26Leifrockbox logo*
20:48:45thomasjfoxLeif: you'll need a "handle SIGUSR1 nostop pass" in gdb
20:48:58thomasjfoxLeif: Or compile rockbox with "−−sdl-threads"
20:49:28thomasjfoxslater87: Using the symbolic names from SDL.h is the way to go
20:49:49thomasjfoxslater87: (dunno if the name is SDL.h, might be SDL_keys.h or something like that)
20:50:10slater87thomasjfox: Thanks this is exactly what i needed (i think its sdl_keysym.h)
20:50:13Leifthomasjfox, Mmm...okay. I'm a bit new to gdb, do you have a link o how to do that? Thanks.
20:50:33thomasjfoxLeif: It's really easy
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20:50:52thomasjfoxLeif: just type exactly what I wrote you before you type "run"
20:51:03LeifOh, okay, thanks.
20:51:44Leifthomasjfox, It works now, thanks
20:51:57thomasjfoxLeif: Have fun debugging ;)
20:52:08Leifjoy...thanks. :)
20:52:20slater87thomasjfox: is it possible to write a plugin which is just a c programm or shell script?
20:52:29thomasjfoxkugelp: I tried the android build from 16.03.2011 on my neighbours phone
20:52:49thomasjfoxkugelp: It shows the rockbox logo and then the screen goes black
20:53:30thomasjfoxkugelp: Didn't investigate if it's a real display bug or the screensaver kicked in because it's stuck somewhere
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20:56:26silboHey guys.
20:56:54silboI am really busy at school at the moment, so mr someones battery curve calibration is not going so well
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20:57:28thomasjfoxslater87: you mean "write a plugin for the button mapping"?
20:58:28slater87oh no sorry different topic. I'd like to also (once of course button mapping is done) to provide a script or c programm as there is a common bug in the original firmware which affects only the original application.
20:58:40slater87of the samsung firmware not rockbox
20:59:12AlexPThe OF doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox though
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20:59:27AlexPoh sorry, this is RB as an app?
21:00:05thomasjfoxAlexP: Yep, he's porting to a new platform
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21:01:09PerHieroCan I get some help here?
21:01:09slater87yeah i was able to get sdl compiled and the app launched on fb0 (after kernel recompiling with fbcon)
21:01:17thomasjfoxGuess we'll need a new configure target soon...
21:01:34slater87only thing i am stuck atm is the button mapping
21:01:50slater87alsa should work as well as browsing the files
21:02:01slater87managed to get rockbox theme loaded to :)
21:02:01pixelmaPerHiero: if it's about Rockbox - maybe - but I can't tell until you actually asked ;)
21:02:52thomasjfoxslater87: If the theme loads, the paths to the share dir are already ok
21:02:54PerHieroHello everybody, I think I have too many fies on my sansa fuze, and cant get rid of them.
21:03:12thomasjfoxslater87: Might be worth to do the checkkeys trick to get the initial button mapping
21:04:10slater87thomasjfox: yes i think i have the problem i am running it in a tty instead of the root console (shouldn't i be able to pick up the mapping in the initial rc scripts as the console is bund)?
21:04:14bluebroth3r[Saint]: which version of 7zip did you use for creating
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21:05:00thomasjfoxslater87: Running as an ordinary user should be fine, same here on the N900/Pandora
21:05:14pixelmaPerHiero: can you give some more info? Where you see them, why you think there are too many, where they came from etc. I really have no idea how to help so far :)
21:06:00PerHieropixelma: I try to give more infos
21:06:14slater87thomasjfox: problem is my input device is /dev/r0Btn i am not sure if its caught by the console, maybe create a symlink from /dev/input/event0 ?
21:06:59slater87thomasjfox: sorry this was a bit confusing. I meant for SDL is there a way to make it use my r0Btn as input device?
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21:08:20thomasjfoxslater87: I'm no expert on this, guess that should be handled during SDL compilation
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21:08:48slater87ok thanks i'll look into the compiling again
21:08:48silboAlexP: hey if I am implementing the battery calibration curve, is this like remembering the last 5 discharge cycles or something?
21:09:16silboand takeing those to account when calculating the battery left in minutes?
21:10:04thomasjfoxslater87: Or at least some kind of global config setting
21:10:05AlexPI'm not sure I follow
21:10:27gevaertssilbo: you're implementing this, you decide :)
21:11:04slater87thmoasjfox: thank you so much for your help :)
21:11:07PerHieropixelma: yesterday I put the whole hvsc sid collection in my folder MUSIC on the sansa fuze with my ubuntu 10.04 per drag and drop
21:11:44bertrikI think it would be nice to have a more dynamic estimation of runtime by seeing how much the battery percentage drains over some time (say 15 min) and extrapolate from that. That means it's no longer necessary to measure or estimate the battery current.
21:13:05PerHieropixelma: then the whole sansa software bat also the rockbox system got pretty slow, all things trying to open last minutes.
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21:14:39PerHieropixelma: then I tried to delete the files while connected to my pc.
21:16:04PerHieropixelma: but after unmounting, and mounting again, all files are still on my fuze.
21:16:32PerHierosomebody any idea?
21:16:49silbogevaerts: hmm ok
21:16:59thomasjfoxslater87: You're welcome
21:18:22pixelmaPerHiero: you still see them with your PC's file browser? Maybe there are some filesystem problems in your case, but I'm no linux person so can't tell you how to check easily
21:18:46gbl08maPerHiero: I'd say the filesystem is getting mounted as read-only.
21:18:55n1sbertrik: a scheme like that would be very sensitive to a spinup or buffer fill happening in those 15 minutes or not
21:19:29PerHieropixelma: ok, I try it with a windows7 laptop of my kid.
21:20:02bertrikn1s, you could come up with a smart algorithm (e.g. leave out outliers) to work around that I think
21:20:35PerHieropixelma: thanks for help. I give some feedback later.
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21:25:15thomasjfoxdoes rockbox support "shuffle by album"?
21:25:26slater87sorry another question make -j4 -debug works for sdl build as well?
21:25:35thomasjfoxslater87: yes
21:25:46thomasjfoxslater87: Dunno about the -debug part
21:25:58slater87thomasjfox: thank you sir!
21:27:10n1sthomasjfox: yes but it's a bit roundabout involving a plugin for generating a list of dirs in the filesystme and they can then be shuffled
21:27:27thomasjfoxn1s: What's the name of the plugin?
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21:27:50AlexPrandom_folde_advance or somesuch
21:27:51n1srandom_folder_something :)
21:28:04slater87and there we go again. I had to disable touchscreen in sdlapp.h and edited apps/SOURCES to include keypad and keypad_touchscreen. builds fine exept for the plugin lib keeps bugging. I'll pastbin in a second
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21:29:23thomasjfoxslater87: Disable plugins in tools/configure for the first run
21:29:53LearAnyone seeing problems with r29619 on AMSv2?
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21:30:32LearAt least that's what I'm guessing causes my SD card to not be detected on boot...
21:31:10*thomasjfox thinks random_folder_advance_config is broken on RaaA as I don't have 90.000+ folders on my N900...
21:31:38thomasjfoxprobably the same symlink issue the database init stuff had (fixed by kugelp)
21:31:43bertrikLear, it was supposed to solve problems for some other users
21:32:16bertrikit's very tricky to get right when it fixes some problems and introduces others for other people :/
21:32:18slater87thanks :) it works
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21:32:48LearI know. But I never had any problems until I installed a new build today...
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21:35:08thomasjfoxn1s: thanks for the hint
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21:37:37dheyseslater87: If you want plugins (with HAVE_TOUCHSCREEN undefined) you'll need to define keys in about 100 files for SDL_PAD or make your own YP-R0_PAD and add keybindings for that.
21:39:36slater87YP_R0_PAD should be created where and where does it need to be included? will PAD work with touchscreen enabled without the adjustment?
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21:41:22dheyseclone sdlapp.h (like the recent pandora.h) and define YOUR_PAD in there.
21:41:54slater87ok i'll start on this once i got my button mapping figured out
21:41:59CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29627): AMSv2 SD: use a sleep instead of a udelay for 100 ms delay
21:42:00slater87thank you!
21:42:33Learbertrik: That wouldn't affect my problem, would it?
21:43:12slater87deheyse: #define CONFIG_KEYPAD SDL_PAD could i replace SDL_PAD with mine and make my config?
21:45:18CIA-2r29627 build result: All green
21:46:04dheyseIf you replace it with yours you should track down all SDL_PAD and put in code for yours.
21:46:37dheyseI haven't done that yet. Still using SDL_PAD for now, so tell me how it goes...
21:46:55Learbertrik: Hm, I reverted to mci_delay, and it seems like it didn't help...
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21:55:59Learbertrik: Strange, seems like reverting r29625 did the trick.
21:56:31bertrikoh, ok. I was just about to backport that to 3.8
21:57:45ThomasAHandroid port compiled and started :) but how am I supposed to select menu items, they are sooo small
21:57:46LearI'll rebuild, just to be sure.
21:58:22AlexPThomasAH: Bigger font, plus there is a menu spacing patch which helps a huge amount
21:58:51ThomasAHAlexP: selecting the "font" menu (only about 10 tries :)) does not show any fonts
21:59:06ThomasAHdo I have to install something other than the .apk?
21:59:08AlexPDid you make fullzip?
21:59:20AlexPmake zip doesn't include fonts, make fullzip does
21:59:29AlexPBut they are quite large
21:59:43AlexPI don't think I've ever done that on android actually
21:59:45ThomasAHAlexP: ah, so like the regular builds .. I just followed the android readme
21:59:52AlexPThomasAH: What is your screen res?
21:59:59ThomasAHAlexP: 854x480
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22:00:18AlexPI suspect there isn't a theme for that, so it has fallen back to default
22:00:28AlexP800x480 is OK on font size
22:00:41ThomasAHAlexP: could be, the unofficial builds are only up to 800x480
22:00:53AlexPyeah, I would bet that is it
22:01:05AlexPIf you start a song, do you get peak meters?
22:01:18ThomasAHAlexP: I did not manage to start a song yet :)
22:01:48ThomasAHah, now I did
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22:02:09ThomasAHAlexP: no, looks like on the clip+, just with more free space
22:03:35BuschelJdGordon|: did you see the last comment in FS #11997 ? sounds weird...
22:04:25wtachiwhat's the reason Vorbis optimization isn't on the GSoC ideas list?
22:04:36wtachiis there too little room for improvement?
22:04:55AlexPThomasAH: Looks like this on mine (800x480)
22:05:34ThomasAHAlexP: ah, that would be better ... here the menu items are the size of your clock :)
22:05:46AlexPthat sounds like fallback indeed
22:06:23AlexPThomasAH: I would have though that for a quick "fix" you could use the 800x480 theme, you will just lose a strip of screen
22:06:30AlexPOr adapt from that one anyway
22:06:57ThomasAHAlexP: make fullzip does not generate ... do I need "make zip" afterwards, or something else?
22:07:17ThomasAHah, probably just mv
22:07:34AlexPor you can make fonts, then just copy them
22:07:45AlexPOr indeed just copy the font you want, as all of them would be large
22:07:58ThomasAHAlexP: space is not yet a problem for me :)
22:08:05AlexPor make font, then put them on SD would work I would guess
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22:10:05Learbertrik: Yep, still works after rebuild/reinstall.
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22:10:34Buschelwtachi: Vorbis could be further improved with the MDCT library −− which is a part of GSoC
22:11:07ThomasAHAlexP: ah, bigger font, now I can hit menu entries :)
22:11:24AlexPCool :)
22:11:28bertrikLear, so what's your conclusion?
22:11:33AlexPThomasAH: The menu spacing patch is handy
22:11:50wtachiBuschel: so that's the lowest-hanging fruit?
22:11:53AlexPThomasAH: It is from kugelp's git, I don't know why it isn't included
22:12:01AlexPThomasAH: I'll pastebin it if you like
22:12:39ThomasAHAlexP: yes, would be nice, or URL to the git change
22:12:43Learbertrik: That r29625 breaks sd init on my 32 GB sd card. Don't really know what the code does, so I can't say more. :)
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22:13:27bertrikhm, odd, I considered that a no-brainer fix
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22:18:34ThomasAHAlexP: I'm compiling with this patch and 480x800 now, 54 pixel rows to be reclaimed soon ...
22:19:08ThomasAH(still much more than my clip+ :))
22:19:12AlexPYeah, a quick adapt of the 480x800 theme should sort you out I think :)
22:19:49Learbertrik: Where is numblock initialized, btw?
22:20:21bertrikI guess in sd_parse_csd
22:20:41ThomasAHAlexP: wow, that's much nicer
22:20:54AlexPThomasAH: yes :)
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22:22:07Buschelwtachi: I can tell you what the most_ interesting_ stuff could be -> porting ffmpeg aac to rockbox
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22:22:29bertrikLear, it could be that numblocks is too big and should be adjusted for the firmware size
22:23:11Learbertrik: Well, one idea is that my card needs a couple of retries to be detected properly (boot did seem faster with r29625), and the moved if is what is needed to catch the problem and retry.
22:24:00ThomasAHAlexP: *PANIC* ... is this already worth reporting?
22:24:15Learbertrik: I'm thinking the opposite, numblocks is 0 (or some other small value) for a couple of tries.
22:24:28AlexPThomasAH: I'm not sure what the situation is with android tbh
22:24:48AlexPI'm thinking that it is probably advanced enough to make bug reports useful now
22:24:50bertrikgevaerts, we do report the total size of sd storage on USB in one of the scsi commands, right?
22:25:05wtachiBuschel: I'll keep that in mind
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22:25:11gevaertsbertrik: almost certainly!
22:25:14wtachiI think I'll ask about the different projects on the mailing list
22:25:26ThomasAHAlexP: Hmm, and how do I exit the panic screen?
22:25:37AlexPDoes home not work?
22:25:38ThomasAHAlexP: ah, now home works
22:25:56AlexPI guess that, then force stop in settings - applications
22:27:22bertrikLear, looks like a real possibility indeed
22:29:19bertrikoh, numblocks is already decremented by the AMS OF SIZE for the internal memory, so that's not a possible cause
22:29:52ThomasAHAlexP: ok, thanks for the help, I'll go to bed now as a happy owner of two rockbox devices :)
22:30:13Buschelwtachi: without knowing the details about the current state of the WMA Voice port I would expect that finishing it would not be a "lower hanging fruit". this task requires fixed point conversion and optimization. there are a lot of examples for this in rockbox's codecs available
22:30:29AlexPThomasAH: You're welcome :)
22:31:34wtachiI wasn't think of WMA Voice, I was just asking whether the MDCT is the best way to improve Vorbis performance
22:32:01Buschelwtachi: ah, ok. that's simple -> yes
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22:32:43wtachileaving soon−−thanks for helping
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22:33:08Buschelno problem :)
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22:41:31saratogai think Voice should probably be part of a larger project, MT did a lot of the hard stuff already
22:41:53CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29628): AMSv2 SD: wait for previous data transfer completion before sending a command
22:42:01Buschelsaratoga: btw, has this been posted to flyspray?
22:42:10saratogaBuschel: i think its already in SVN
22:43:02saratogai think you can actually play files in it, provided you have an FPU
22:43:08saratogait probably works in Android
22:43:14saratogaor could very easily
22:44:00BuschelI see, it is in snv but not compiled in
22:46:18CIA-2r29628 build result: All green
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22:57:16JdGordon|Buschel: sounds like a broken skin, although ii dont remember any breaking changes since 3.7?
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22:58:03BuschelJdGordon|: anything that could be caused by endianess?
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23:03:09JdGordon|nothing in the skin engine is hardcoded to assume a endieness... im not that smart
23:04:28CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29629): AMSv2 SD: receive sd card command responses during initialisation instead of ignoring them
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23:15:58bertrikhm I thought there was a requirement in the specification to first send 80 clock cycles before sending the first command, but now I can't find it anymore
23:16:12bertrik(sd specification)
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