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#rockbox log for 2011-03-25

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00:28:27mshathlonxprasher hello!
00:29:24*mshathlonxp recently found this
00:29:33mshathlonxpand I have some questions :)
00:31:47mshathlonxpis that script still usable?
00:32:38rashergood question
00:33:30mshathlonxpwill you figure that out?
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00:35:43rasherHave you tried it? I honestly have no idea and don't really have much motivation to look at it
00:36:16mshathlonxpwell, what about lack of some targets?
00:37:19mshathlonxpno I haven't, I don't understand really how files should be named - as contents of each "voice" string?
00:37:26mshathlonxpand what about format?
00:38:42rasherYeah, string contents, as pcm wav
00:39:10mshathlonxpbitrate? channels?
00:39:16rashershouldn't matter
00:39:31mshathlonxpand I should expect voice file or error?
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00:40:41rasherLooks like it should try to build a voice file
00:41:33mshathlonxpwell, I'll try to do this in next few days
00:41:52mshathlonxpI hope you will help in case it won't work
00:42:01mshathlonxpafter all, that's your script :P
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00:44:27rasherDid you buy the support contract?
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01:11:00notlisteningHi, I am running make fullzip with the android build system and it hangs, anyone else getting is?
01:11:28notlisteningBut when i run make -j7 all fullzip it works
01:13:28gevaertsI'd say that doesn't do the same thing. fullzip doesn't depend on all, so it can run in parallel, which will give you an incomplete zip file
01:14:38notlisteningoh okay, but i can not run it afterwards at the moment
01:18:15notlisteningRight it is just super slow for some reason
01:27:50notlisteningRight sorted ;)
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02:07:54unfazedim getting network error when i try to use the rockbox utility
02:07:58unfazedcan anyone help me?>
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02:59:55mshathlonxpwhy rockbox doesn't supports ipods clicker?
03:00:07mshathlonxpor am I missing something?
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03:07:47[Saint]mshathlonxp: It does if you compile a build yourself.
03:07:55[Saint]apple FS #5111
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03:10:07mshathlonxpthen why it isn't in main build?
03:10:26mshathlonxpdoes it causes problems with something else?
03:10:40[Saint]Because it’s nowhere near a comittable state.
03:13:28-->"Hello sir" received from pak_nelson (
03:13:28[Saint]If every half baked patch went into the core...ROckbox would be a barely usable mess.
03:13:28mshathlonxpso what's wrong with it?
03:13:28[Saint]Read the comments on the task.
03:15:58JdGordon|its pretty pathetic that noone who uses it will do the bit of work to make it acceptable
03:16:07JdGordon|the patch is how old? 3 years or something?
03:20:59mshathlonxpafter some three weeks will be 5 years since beginning of that task :)
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03:58:17LeifLooking at the patch (FS #5111) discussed earlier: "I'd really like to have this stuff commited soon,", nice. :)
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06:14:23shnominHello. I am trying to recover a bricked Sansa Clip+. I believe that I have successfully entered the recovered mode by bridging the solder pads etc. I am now dumping the original firmware onto it, but it seems to be taking a long time. Does anyone know how much time this should take? Any help would be appreciated.
06:15:41[Saint]even at USB 1.1 speeds it shouldn’t take long iiuc.
06:18:44[Saint]JdGordon|: regarding displaying the current/next track (if available) on the .sbs, do you think current AA is a bit “over-the-top” also?
06:19:16JdGordon|depends where you'd put it and how big
06:19:41[Saint]Not *massive*...probably only in the region of two lines of text high
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06:20:01JdGordon|arg, your wps doesnt set the fonts manually
06:20:13JdGordon|im using 50pt in the lists and it breaks the wps
06:20:27[Saint]Not sure where I’d position it...probably immediately under the UI viewport and on top of the icons (with the next/current track info)
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06:20:57JdGordon|landscape ui's are so much easier to play with :D
06:21:37[Saint]until we have conditional landscape/portrait switching...I don’t want to make a landscape .wps on a portrait Ui.
06:21:46[Saint]that’s be weird...not that I didn’t consider it.
06:21:56JdGordon|sure, I didnt mean to say you should
06:21:59JdGordon|just that it is easier
06:22:06JdGordon|hows the 1024*600 one going? :D
06:22:40[Saint]It can go a lot faster now that I’m further ahead with these other two.
06:23:05[Saint]I’ve been spinning the past few days wondering what the hells going on with this crazy mute bug.
06:23:29[Saint]I’ve been concerned it’s my fault, and endlessly refactoring code and shuffling things around in vain.
06:24:03JdGordon|pretty sure it aint a skin bug
06:24:19[Saint]what’s messing it up?
06:24:50[Saint] does my 50pt font look?
06:24:54JdGordon|no idea, but im still betting its the recent android volume handlign changes...
06:25:02[Saint]and, does there need to be any larger ones made?
06:25:21[Saint](I can’t take all the’s Google’s work ;))
06:28:37JdGordon|[Saint]: na, 50 is prob enough... can you make the ui vp extend to the right edge so the selector doesnt look odd?
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06:39:12[Saint]JdGordon|: done
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07:04:21shnominAll right, I'm trying to DD my original firmware onto my bricked Clip+ again. Does anyone have experience with the recovery mode?
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07:09:42funmanshnomin: is the wiki not clear enough ?
07:13:07shnominI'm just having some issues. When I try to use dd to write the original firmware, it just hangs and never completes
07:14:16shnominAm I not giving it enough time? I know it is writing block by block, but it has already taken 20 minutes
07:14:48funmanit should be a matter of seconds
07:15:16funmantry reading back what is on the clip to see if it works / if it is fast
07:17:31shnominIt also hangs
07:17:51shnominIt only read 392 kB off of the sansa and has since done nothing
07:18:07shnominthe process has only taken 2 seconds and has since done nothing
07:18:20shnominAny ideas?
07:20:21funmanthe clip+ storage is broken?
07:21:01shnominI guess so. It shows as a 7.4Gb unpartitioned disk
07:21:10shnominAny problem that I'm on OSX?
07:21:44funmanno idea
07:22:37shnominWell, thanks for the input funman. I'll keep trying. I screwed it up by trying to write over usb in Rockbox. I didn't even read that it wasn't supported... idiot
07:31:40funmannot sure how you could break the clip+ by trying to write over USB when the OS can't see it.
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07:41:05shnominI think with the previous version of rockbox it still mounted
07:41:17shnominanyway, I just had a success.. well partial
07:41:39shnominI reformatted the mounted recovery mode, unpartitioned drive
07:41:53shnominthen I used dd to write, and it worked
07:42:49shnominnow I'm connected, buy the OF can't see the storage memory (says it has zero)
07:48:25shnominAll right! The file system was just all messed up because it still had old data. After an old-fashioned erasure by Disk Utility, the OF is fully operational. Now it's time to get rockbox back on this thing.
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08:06:53shnominHey funman, do you have any idea about this one: "Extracting Failed: Unable to create a directory rockbox"
08:07:52shnominClip is in MSC mode and I sudo-ed the Utility
08:08:02funmantry mkdir .rockbox
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08:09:21shnominmkdir: .rockbox: Input/output error
08:09:55shnominI can make directories that don't start with a .
08:10:33shnominThis may be a residual of formatting it as FAT32 before overwriting the screwed up firmware
08:11:31funmanformat it from the of
08:13:06shnomingenius, I'll let you know
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08:15:34shnominBeautiful, works perfectly. Good idea. Thank for your help funman. It's much appreciated.
08:18:55funmanshnomin: you're welcome, just tell me where to send the bill ;)
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08:21:47shnominnot quite that appreciated. By the way, what is the roadblock on USB support for sansaAMS?
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08:22:41CIA-2New commit by Buschel (r29644): Fix error in Ohm's law formula as provided in FS #12023. Thanks to Leif Andersen.
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08:26:40CIA-2r29644 build result: 3 errors, 0 warnings (Buschel committed)
08:29:33funmanshnomin: check the wiki for links to flyspray, it's working quite fine for me but there are some problems left it seems
08:29:55funmanand usb is fine on sansa AMS, only disabled on sansa AMS v2
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08:38:01webguest446Anyone rocking a iPod Classic with Rockbox here ?
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08:47:03mem_Bagder, Zagor: hi, I found this channel after the nice Snaxx event
08:47:06shnominCool, thanks funman. Maybe I'll get involved in development. I'm a big fan of rockbox, but really only an ok developer for pure software (I'm a robotics researcher)
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08:47:50Zagormem_: hi, welcome! join #rockbox-community for off-topic chat
08:48:46B4gderthe more channels the merrier!
08:49:48funmanshnomin: well if you can at least build rockbox and test it can help, check the flyspray links
08:53:29shnominWill do. Have you guys considered migration to github?
08:54:04Zagorshnomin: no, we prefer running our own systems
08:54:40B4gderbesides, we're still on svn...
08:54:45shnominI get that, you could also host a git repository. I have just take a liking to git
08:54:55Zagorwe have a git-svn repo
08:55:51shnominNice. Sorry I'm ignorant to the whole development side of rockbox.
08:58:41shnominZagor: Very cool, thanks for the info.
09:00:08*B4gder also prefers git these days
09:01:00funmanshnomin: check the wiki, it's full of hints and there's a developers section
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14:17:18hogbogi have a weird problem with rockbox 3.8 on my sandisk sansa clip+ (v1), sometimes when I try to skip to the next song after having left it playing some mp3s from my sdcard for a while, it will respond slowly, and when it finally does and skips to next song (i.e. the name of the song shows on the lcd), it will stop playing
14:17:55hogbogor rather it will tell me that it is actually playing (i.e. the play icon is shown, and pressing pause/play does still toggle the button), even though it really isnt, it is just stuck at 0:00
14:18:33hogbogonce that happens I can't skip to any other songs anymore and it will be stuck at that particular song
14:18:58hogbogi can only make it work normally again by listening to the fm-radio for a bit and then telling it to play some file from my sdcard again
14:20:37hogbogoh actually it seems that it does then when i skip to a .flac file
14:20:46hogbogs/does then/does that/
14:23:09linuxstbhogbog: You could try testing a current build - I think there have been some playback-related bug-fixes since 3.8
14:23:50hogbogah cool
14:24:27hogbogone other problem I've had is sometimes I suddenly get to listen to a slotradio promotion, I have no clue where that comes from :s
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14:25:01hogbogwhen I get that I have to go back to select the songs I was playing before again
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18:22:18cozmichow do I disable usb keypad mode?
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18:23:40[Saint]it’s called USB HID, and it’s in Settings - General Settings - System - USB HID - No
18:23:46[Saint]cozmic: ^
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18:26:54cozmicit still wont let me upload songs
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18:39:27[Saint]cozmic: What OS are you using?
18:41:09cozmicxp pro
18:41:49cozmici'm trying to install the newest version with the utility, but i get an error saying "Mountpoint not writeable"
18:42:30[Saint]sounds like you have filesystem issues.
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18:43:01bluebrotherhmm, the player getting mounted read only is usually a linux issue in case of filesystem errors
18:43:12bluebrotherhaven't heard that in combination with Win XP.
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18:43:27bluebrotherbut running chkdsk /f on the drive is still a good thing to do
18:43:29cozmici get a Removable Disk in My Computer.. but it's empty
18:43:47[Saint]I’ve seen it *appear* to be write only, but come to think of it...I’ve never actually seem it specifically state that in an error.
18:43:50bluebrotherdoes it get a rive letter?
18:43:57cozmicyeah, F:
18:44:07bluebrotherok, and you can browse that drive?
18:44:16cozmicyes, but it's empty
18:44:23bluebrotheri.e. you don't get a dialog box saying that the drive is not formatted?
18:44:46bluebrotherdo you have itunes installed?
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18:45:20bluebrotherthen this really sounds like filesystem errors. Run chkdsk /f f:
18:45:37cozmicCannot open volume for direct access
18:45:57bluebrotherdo you have administrator permissions?
18:46:21bluebrotherare you using Rockbox USB mode or Apples?
18:46:33cozmichow can I tell?
18:46:43bluebrotherwhat does the screen on the player show?
18:46:55bluebrotherdoes it show a "do not disconnect" sign or a simple usb plug?
18:47:07cozmicoh it's Rockbox, shows a picture of an usb plug
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18:47:25bluebrotherbtw, what player are we talking about?
18:47:33cozmicipod mini
18:47:59bluebrotherok. Reboot the Ipod and go into Emergency Disk Mode, then try again
18:48:11bluebrotherare you using a front usb port or hub?
18:49:21cozmica normal one on the back
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18:55:05cozmicso i'm using the apple usb mode now, and it wants to format it
18:56:08bluebrother"it" meaning windows explorer?
18:56:51cozmici tried chkdsk and it "recovered" a bunch of files with the ending .chk
18:57:04cozmicso when i open the drive in explorer those are the only files there
18:57:07bluebrotherand explorer still wants to format the drive?
18:57:18bluebrotherok, that's at least better
18:57:27bluebrotherdid you have much files on the player?
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18:57:45bluebrotherthen you should now be able to install Rockbox
18:58:02bluebrotheryou definitely had filesystem errors. At worst this could mean your hard disk dying
18:58:19cozmici see
18:59:53cozmicthanks for the help
18:59:53bluebrotherbut the mini is a great device for swapping the hard disk with a CF card :)
18:59:53bluebrothercompact flash
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18:59:57cozmicsounds nice. 4gb is way too small :)
19:00:06bluebrotherI did that with mine like 2 1/2 years ago. 32GB space, no moveable parts, not too complicated to do and cost me around 100EUR back then
19:00:29cozmiccool. thanks for the tip
19:00:54bluebrotherthere's a wiki page for CF modding players. Don't remember the name right now, just search for it. Shouldn't be too hard to find :)
19:01:14cozmicok :)
19:01:36bluebrotheranyway, gtg now.
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19:08:32ezzieyguywuf would it be possible to run rockbox on something like this, and if so, what would I need to provide in order to make that happen?
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19:28:12[Saint]ezzieyguywuf: that’s a very small processor....
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19:30:50saratogaezzieyguywuf: no, its not feasible to run rockbox on a device with essentially no memory
19:34:07pamauryezzieyguywuf: but your "request" is quite incomplete: this device has no lcd, no buttons, ... A device is much more than a processor :)
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20:09:48ezzieyguywufpamaury: I would add an lcd and buttons etc to it of course
20:10:21ezzieyguywufI'm (very tentatively) planning to build a DAP around the vs1053 chip and either that proc or an arduino.
20:10:41ezzieyguywufit'd be great to not have to write a player from scratch too :-P
20:10:57ezzieyguywuf <−−- in case you want to follow along.
20:11:10ezzieyguywufand yea, and know the lyre tried to do this too.
20:14:09[Saint]iiuc he actually has a functional player now.
20:15:34[Saint]but he used a chumby board, which is quite higly specced next to the board you linked.
20:18:33saratogaezzieyguywuf: get a regular arm9 core with 8-16MB of memory
20:19:11ezzieyguywuf[Saint]: iiuc?
20:19:28ezzieyguywufsaratoga: how much would something like that run? I'm trying to keep this cheap.
20:19:59saratogafew dollars for the components, no idea how much it'd cost to get assembled
20:22:11saratogabut if you want to decode audio and have an operating system you will need an actual cpu with multiplier and memory to store it
20:22:11ezzieyguywuf saratoga something like that?
20:24:23ezzieyguywufsaratoga: well, I can still use the vs1053 to decode the audio, I'd just me ramping up the proc and mem to run rockbox
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20:24:23ezzieyguywufwhich leads me to another question: does rockbox do the actual playing and decoding of the audio files, or does it interface with a driver to have hardware do it?
20:24:23saratogawe play audio files
20:24:23saratogaexcept on the ancient HWCODEC players, which have no real cpu power and a hardware mp3 decoder
20:24:23Lloreanezzieyguywuf: Rockbox decodes in software on almost every device it runs on, which is why it can support so many formats on players that don't normally support them.
20:24:23ezzieyguywufLlorean: I see. so if I was going to run rockbox, I would forget about the hardware decoder and focus mainly on getting as small of a processor as I could to run it, right?
20:25:31saratogayeah, you'd pick a cheap armv4 or v5 processor with a couple MB of RAM and do a port like to any other mp3 player
20:25:46ezzieyguywufI see I see.
20:25:53saratogathat device you linked above would work, although its a little faster and has a bit more ram then you really need
20:26:28ezzieyguywufsaratoga: yea its also a little pricier than I'd like. I'd still need an lcd, some buttons and a case. oh, and a hp jack.
20:26:49ezzieyguywufactually, I'd want to output a digital audio stream, pre-DAC. can rockbox accomodate that?
20:26:59saratogayeah sure
20:27:22saratogagenerally we just output i2s to a dac anyway
20:27:25ezzieyguywufso whats the bare minimum processing power/memory nedded? that 8/16MB mem?
20:27:28saratogawhat interface do you need?
20:27:53ezzieyguywufi2s is fine, I'll find a way to get that to optical or usb I haven't decided how I want to transmit it yet.
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20:29:12n1sezzieyguywuf: we have targets with about 2 MB of ram but i think at least 8 or 16 is good, price shouldn't differ much
20:29:38ezzieyguywufwhat about the processor? how much juice does it need?
20:29:48saratoga100MHz ARM9 is the lowest i'd go
20:29:55n1s100MHz or so of ARM would do fine
20:30:03saratogayou can cut corners on processor and memory, but it'll make things harder for you software wise
20:30:27ezzieyguywufyea I don't want to cut _that_ many corners
20:31:32n1sezzieyguywuf: but you are probably not going to be able to build a player that is even close in price to a commercially available with similar capabilities
20:31:52ezzieyguywufn1s: so you're thinking I'm going to be well over $200?
20:32:07ezzieyguywufthe digital output is the main thing I want
20:33:29n1sthat is a rare feature so it's hard to find in an available player so if that's important i might be wrong
20:33:48n1sthe old iriver h100 has it and that's the only player i know that does
20:34:03ezzieyguywufyea they're pretty hard to come by nowadays though.
20:34:24n1sbut if you can find a board that has all the stuff you need you might be able to make it reasonably cheap
20:34:56n1severything is very expensive in small volumes usually
20:37:27n1speople who want to build their own players often want custom boards which makes things a lot more exensive too but if an already available one is fine...
20:38:13saratogathis might be easier:
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20:40:20ezzieyguywufshoot, I wouldn't be against buying just the processor and going from there, i.e. designing the board in eagle-cad etc
20:40:22n1sand if a board like the beagleboard is fine you can just run linux on it anyway :)
20:40:28ezzieyguywufoh waitaminute, thats what you said would be expensive :-p
20:41:01n1sezzieyguywuf: well, if you can etch your own board and solder everything yourself it can be cheap
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20:41:14ezzieyguywufn1s: yea that's what I was thinking.
20:41:31ezzieyguywufor if there's a big enough interest over on headfi or wherever do a group buy for the boards.
20:41:45ezzieyguywufare those gigabeat players still in production?
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20:41:58n1ssorry, no
20:42:12ezzieyguywuflol, I was like "jeez, sorry to upset him" :-P
20:44:12saratogaoccasionally new ones pop up on ebay still
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21:46:57ezzieyguywuf has anyone mentioned this yet for my project?
21:48:14[Saint]I’m not sure what you mean by that.
21:48:32[Saint]You’ve been in here the whole time, so, you can see what’s been mentioned no?
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21:49:56ezzieyguywufyes but I can't recall :-P
21:50:02ezzieyguywufI know someone mentioned the beagleboard
21:50:40[Saint]your IRC client has no scrollback?
21:50:46[Saint]it’s all logged here:
21:54:23ezzieyguywufit does. I was being lazy. I apologize for that.
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22:11:05deeiceSince we discussed it briefly yesterday, I submitted my patch as FS #12029 to define SDL_PAD keymaps for plugins on RaaA builds with no touchscreen. It's useful for the zipit build, and might be useful for the Samsung YP-R0 build.
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22:15:08deeiceI think we need a better way to define generic SDL on a PC app behavior, and allow for tweaks to that for various odd platforms, without having to define a whole new platform type.
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23:26:55*[Saint] finds it ironic that the Android/RaaA "use HW Volume buttons" thing behaves like an uglier hack than the (very nice IMO) "ugly hack" it apparently replaced.
23:27:32[Saint]I am *SICK* of getting blasted at 100% HW volume every time I start playback if RB has timed out/shut down.
23:28:11[Saint]It doesn't even seem like there's any point in RaaA storing the volume data in the .cfg anymore, as it doesn't appear to actually use it in a practical way.
23:30:05[Saint]when I boot RaaA for the first time (ie. after killing the task, or idle timeout shutdown), regardless of what the options say the volume is, or the volume icon displays, if I commence playback I get *BLASTED* at full volume until I tap one of the HW volume buttons.
23:30:51LloreanThat sounds like a bug, then.
23:31:10LloreanMaybe at unpause / resume it should re-set the volume
23:31:27[Saint]Oddly, the volume I get blasted with is actually a lot louder than Rockbox's "0db" setting also...which makes me think that it's not using the full range of the volume. Which I had thought immediately after the HW button integration but put it down to a placebo effect.
23:32:43[Saint]ie. After I get blasted at full volume, if I then use the HW buttons or even RB's menu to set the volume as high as it can go (0dB) it's nowhere near as loud as the volume I get hit with initially.
23:32:51pixelmaRockbox' "0dB" was more like "100%" of the globally set volume before so if that was full it was probably the same as it is now
23:32:54[Saint]the default music player can go a lot louder too it seems.
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23:34:09[Saint]I think it's bugged as hell personally...I (and possibly kugelp) seem to be the only ones that liked the way it was beforehand.
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23:34:24[Saint]I wouldn't mind this HW integration if it actually worked well for me.
23:34:36pixelmaI agree that the full volume at beginning is very annoying (and I get it too, no surprise) but I wouldn't blame the new system in general, it's "just" a bug
23:34:49LloreanSo file bug reports against the problems? It sounds like you got two clear bugs (always starts at 100%, and doesn't use the full range)
23:35:04[Saint]"just" a bug I didn't ever experience until this HW key integration.
23:35:18[Saint]my "full volume" is also a lot quieter now, and that annoys me also.
23:35:47Llorean*gasp* a new way of doing it has bugs to work out.
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